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State Employees Say Rules Prevent Open "Climate Change" Discussion In Florida
An anonymous reader writes "The Florida Center for Investigative Reporting has an article in the Miami Herald about there being certain words state employees have been ordered to avoid: "We were told not to use the terms 'climate change', 'global warming', or 'sustainability'," said Christopher Byrd, an attorney with the DEP's Office of General Counsel in Tallahassee from 2008 to 2013. "That message was communicated to me and my colleagues by our superiors in the Office of General Counsel."
Grow up Florida.
Just because you are paranoid does not mean that no-one is out to get you.
Now if it were surrounded by water and flat that would be different
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and I am not one who buys into the doom and gloom scenarios that the global warming crowd would like us to, but restricting people from learning about it does nothing.
even if I am wrong, i would much rather an open debate over this.
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Best way for the denialists to win. Make it illegal. Beats hell out of the cherry picking. Now if we can just get rid of science classes and replace them with bible studies.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I am really curious as to the talking points the climate deniers will come up with to defend a government banning the use of particular words. Has it really come to this?
This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when first he appears as a protector - Plato (423 to 327 BC)
They want to be submerged under 20m of water.
As China for example is blocking citizen access to the new Pollution Documentary found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
I think: Huh, thank God there's still some sane democracy elsewhere on this globe.
Then I'm hit in the face by idiotic actions like this one....
Do those ppl really think that denying is the answer ?
Does the problem disappear by acting like Amoeba?
Are these individuals actually so blinded by economy, money, growth...
What's the major malfunction here ?
They could re-use all the things they said in North Carolina, when passing legislation requiring coastal development planning to ignore sea level rises.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/north...
Florida currently has a problem with beach errosion caused by overdevelopment; it does not have a problem with any "sea level rise", Global Warming", or "climate change" or any such.
They'd be as upset as the climate change left. But for the very different reason, that they have a belief in liberty.
This sounds like a stupd game show where you have give clues to a phrase, but are also given a list of words that you're not allowed to use.
your choice, depending upon the year.
I'm sorry, but your answer must be in the form of a question. The correct answer was, "What is a red herring?"
Would you like to go for Double Jeopardy, where the stakes can really change?
Think of it like the Family Values Council chairman practicing homosexuality, or "fair and balanced" meaning neither.
I am really curious as to the talking points the climate deniers will come up with to defend a government banning the use of particular words. Has it really come to this?
Wait, the "climate deniers" were the ones pushing this? Huh. Well, my mistake. When I read the headlines, I thought this was something pushed by the Church of Scientology ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Global Warming, though I admit I couldn't work out the purpose or intent. Banning and censorship are characteristics usually associated with that side.
I won't defend it by saying it is a good idea. But I will point out that it isn't unique and that companies and government quite often ban discussion of certain topics and use of certain words while on the job. Sometimes it even extends to what you can say or even which political causes you can donate to while off the job. It's not like Brenden Eich never received any pressure to step down.
I often don't like the choices people make, but I like the fact that people make choices. That's why I'm a conservative.
Recognizing that a terrorist group doesn't represent the entirety of a major worldwide religion must be something hard for you to comprehend then.
Do you have this same problem with Christian terrorists such as members of the prolife movement who have murdered doctors? Or even just the trolls of the Westboro Baptist Church?
ocean and atmosphere change = climate change
global heating = global warming
viability = sustainability
Should be fine for a while until they legislate the next edition of the Newspeak dictionary.
If the State of Florida truly accepts that Humanity causes climate change then it is imperative for the State of Florida to kill all Florida citizens in order to precent the destruction which THEY are guilty of and causing.
Go ahead! Carpet Bomb with the Florida National Air Guard the Miami and St. Petersburg water fronts! Kill those New Yorkers and the Floridian inebriates Floridian lurking the streets for a quick handout and peddling sex and drugs to dogs and children.
It is imperative for the Governor of Florida to KILL HIMSELF and all citizens of "Gods Creation" Florida.
Ha ha. No pitiful Governor of Florida or any other state of the USA not even the President of the USA will kill himself to SAVE anything.
FU
The Republican politicians are paid to do this. If you want the truth don't vote republican.
Promotes ignorance and stifles learning. Then comes the book banning, then the book burning starts state mandated. How long before beheading of non state sanctioned religions believers will start/ This banning of any knowledge or phrases or anything has to stop, now.
"The Brady Bunch is back...working homicide"
How is this any different than the firings and lack of funding for anyone that researches valid non-anthropomorphic climate change causes?
Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
Twat
Glad somebody is making sure state employees aren't wasting time on science fiction and fantasy.
They can talk about nonsense on their own time.
Hell, the planet has been COOLING since the Romans occupied Britain 2000 years ago!!!
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/12/earths-climate-shows-2000-year-cooling-trend.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+powerlineblog%2Flivefeed+%28Power+Line%29
I'm not sure if you understand this, but we are talking about people paid by the public. That's a euphemism for "with money taken from people against their will by threats of violence".
Surely the least they can do is limit themselves to saying only true things when they are speaking for the state (official reports). Seems like something that should be assumed, out of gratitude to the taxpayers.
That it has to be said suggests that a lot of people have forgotten that government is the servant of the people, not the master.
Hyperbole, like comparing it to book burning, is laughable. You should be ashamed of yourself.
See that "Preview" button?
You know, the ocean can't rise up and swallow you idiots fast enough for me.
So as a Floridian federal employee I cannot say:-
"There is no such thing as human induced [climate change], or [global warming] as it was once called and my belief in this will last as long as the [sustainability] of a congressman's gravy train."
but I can say:-
"You climate deniers are full of S..t, and are definitely corrupt and in the pocket of the oil industry"
OK, I can go with that.
King Cnut famously demonstrated that no matter how powerful, rulers have no power over the the oceans and the tide.
Sooner or later, legislators in Florida, lacking his wisdom, are destined to learn that lesson the hard way,
I think Bill Maher said it best, "Over the last 30 odd years, Democrats have moved to the right and the right has moved into a mental hospital."
"The Florida Center for Investigative Reporting has an article in the Miami Herald about there being certain words state employees have been ordered to avoid: "We were told not to use the terms 'climate change', 'global warming', or 'sustainability',"
good. Government employees should not have an (official) opinion regarding politics..
climate change => weather modification, temperature shifting
global warming => worldwide heating, earth roasting
sustainability => maintainability, continuity
Florida => laughingstock of the world
Easy, right?
Wasn't there a Republican Presidential hopeful in the Florida governor's mansion at the time? Is this what we can expect if he gets elected to the White House? None of us will be allowed to say 'climate change'.
...omphaloskepsis often...
Comparing the beheadings of 100s of men and women of the past month alone (let alone the history of the war with islam which goes back to our founding . - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...) is simply wrong. We as a country have literally been at war with them since day 1 yet nothing has changed.
“In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli’s ambassador to Great Britain to ask him by what right his nation attacked American ships and enslaved American citizens. He claimed that the right was founded on the laws of their prophet and that it was written in the Koran that all nations that didn’t acknowledge their authority were sinners, and that not only was it their right and duty to make war upon these sinners wherever they could be found, but to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Muslim slain in battle was guaranteed a place in Paradise. Despite this stunning admission of pre-meditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of numerous notable Americans, including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and would only further embolden their enemy, the United States Congress continued to buy off the Barbary Muslims with bribes and ransom money.
https://blogsensebybarb.wordpress.com/2012/02/05/thomas-jefferson-and-the-barbary-pirates-standing-against-islamists/
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cali cant fall into the ocean soon enough for me either!
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From the article: “We were told that we were not allowed to discuss anything that was not a true fact,”
Why does Florida hate gravity?
This is a serious speech restriction that won't last 2 seconds in court. Government as an employer receives no additional leeway on restricting free speech. This is censorship plain and simple and it's a prior restraint on speech that the courts will not allow.
All that's needed is a single employee to challenge the law.
It will probably hold up easily so long as the restriction only applies while they're on the job.
As for beyond work, you might be surprised. I believe there are laws restricting federal employees from doing things like doing campaign work for candidates for federal office.
I often don't like the choices people make, but I like the fact that people make choices. That's why I'm a conservative.
I was about to slay your US political scene, then I remembered I was in Australia with Tony Abbott!!!
DOH!!
“You can fool some of the people some of the time -- and that's enough to make a decent living.” - W.C. Fields
It is the Ultimate Irony that Slashdotters are getting their panties all in a wad over this yet they are the first one to mod into oblivion those they disagree with, especially when it comes to AGW.
I have posted a mere 3 or 4 non-inflammatory posts against the idea that the end is coming and it's all our fault and had my Karma crash from Excellent to 0 in less than a day. It took a while to rebuild and I no ling post anything about AGW unless it's as an AC.
Seems Slashdot have its own rule about speaking out against the idea of AGW. Do so and you are essentially banished.
So you think liberty can magically make sea levels recede? I've heard some Americans mythologize, but I never knew they thought they had superpowers.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
And you have some evidence for this claim, right?
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
... is yet another one of the teabagistan nutjobs that make me wonder if there is anyone left in the Republican party that isn't fucking nuts.
I mean, the Democrats aren't any great shakes (I abhor Hillary - she's morphed into just another neocon hawk), but the psychopathy exhibited by those with an R next to their names is just absolutely stunning. I look at the current list of the Presidential candidates that the RNC has foisted upon us voters, and it's a clown-car of bottom-feeding grifters and scumbags.
When they come to NH, I'm going to mosey down the hill to the Barley House (it's a 6 minute walk) just to get my picture taken so I can say "I was there when the animal atop Donald Trump's head ate Scott Walker."
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BMO
Agreed, but at least Cali hasn't banned the word "earthquake".
How is it different? Perhaps because the policy in Florida being reported is real and what you're claiming is utter nonsense.
In all forms for all sides.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
and some of those bans make perfect sense: pending litigation, proprietary IP, strategy, confidentiality, personal info, etc.
but banning basic scientific fact?
that's a whole new level of ignorant douchebaggery
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
but banning basic scientific fact?
Even if there were such a thing as "basic scientific fact" this wouldn't come anywhere close to it. This is complex theory based on many diverse data points with no possibility of controlled testing. I'm not saying it's wrong. But it isn't basic and unfortunately it may not be fact until it is too late.
I often don't like the choices people make, but I like the fact that people make choices. That's why I'm a conservative.
The fact that the rules prevent them from saying "sustainability" tells you an awful lot about what climate change denialists are actually thinking (hint: it's not really about climate change).
can we say that?
"invasive species"
"coral bleaching"
"algal bloom"
"dead zone"
ooh, here's a favorite:
"huuricane"
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
this is millions of data points and the consensus of 99% of researchers across the entire spectrum of specialties and topics
to deny at this point is willful prideful ignorance
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
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We need a climate change in government where honesty is a priority. Additionally, there is so much hot air coming from politics that it's causing global warming. All of this crap surely isn't sustainable.
...than bureaucrats trying to control the vocabulary used to talk about things they are nervous about - ESPECIALLY when they sense people aren't going to like what they want to do.
There's all funding in the world available for that research. It happens as a natural part of AGW research since you have to understand all factors. If you banned that research, we wouldn't be able to say anything meaningful about climate change.
Ezekiel 23:20
If you thought reality supported your side of the argument, why would you want people "muzzled"? Wouldn't you want conversation and information to spread?
The actual answer, of course, is that like most denialists you know climate change is real, but it's financially inconvenient for you to admit that. I hope you don't have children, because if you do I imagine you have a hard time sleeping knowing what you're doing to their future.
Recognizing that a terrorist group doesn't represent the entirety of a major worldwide religion must be something hard for you to comprehend then.
Technically, it doesn't represent "the majority" as in the people involved, but if by "religion", you mean the mindset, then I'd say it definitely represents theism pretty well.
Ezekiel 23:20
Every Local, State and Federal Official who accepts the belief that Climate Change is caused by Humans then must take personnel action by killing themselves.
Otherwise their claim is baseless and they will be subject to constant and relentless ridicule as a Hypocrite and Lier and worse.
Each and every Local, State and Federal Official must be confronted Fare-to-Face every minute possible.
"You Believe That Humans Cause Climate Change. Then Kill Yourself Now!"
Of course the spineless Local, State and Federal Officials will not kill themselves! Goes to prove that their words are baseless, and they are cowardly hypocrites, not even worthy of their life they squander for political gain and nothing more.
Are you trying to demonstrate that Alarmists are either illiterate of incapable of thought in general ?
Do you think that totalitarianism is the answer?
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
If you RTFA -
Passed by a female Democratic governor
Limited to 4 years
Written because the models predicting doom weren't trusted and offered no useful guidance on what to if if 2,100 sq miles were going to be under water
If the predictions of doom* in 100 years are correct they would still have 96 years to act. That might be enough.
* Sea level rises just over 1 meter/39 inches in 100 years
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
The difference is this is real...
Learn to love Alaska
The Republican politicians are paid to do this. If you want the truth don't vote republican.
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Most states ... have rules about discussing promoting political views on the job.
That's funny I swear I've seen state politicians promoting their political views while on the job. I've almost never seen them promoting well established scientific discoveries though.
Correlation does not imply causation, as you should very well know. You are assuming that the only difference between the peaceful and the violent is the religion of those involved, which is clearly specious beyond belief. You seem to forget that if we applied your logic to the Troubles in Northern Ireland, Christianity immediately becomes nothing more than a code-word for rampant terrorism. I doubt you'd agree with the findings of that logic, yet you seem more than willing to accept it when applied to people you don't seem too worried about or knowledgeable of. That speaks volumes about your willingness to throw over a billion people under the bus for some short-lived, fictional feeling of understanding, instead of actually undertaking the task of learning the complex reasons as to why there is an overlap between certain religions, a certain region, certain minerals, and certain forms of rather belligerent foreign policy.
Or you can just make stuff up which absolves you of any complicity. I guess that's easier, so just do that and hope the bad men go away on their own volition.
The modern media is no longer about communicating the news. Its is committed to instituting ideology. If you control the vocabulary of the debate, you control the outcome of the debate.
From Orwell's 1984
Did that order at least contain instructions on what words to use instead? Or are they supposed to make up their own replacement-words?
Yeah... give the old euphemism-spiral a new spin....
bickerdyke
Wouldn't you expect them to say "It's gotten x degrees warmer every year" for some value of x?
Notice they stopped postings graphs of how much warmer it is? They used to.
The sum total of all harm is itemised in one paragraph: "The state of Florida is the region most susceptible to the effects of global warming in this country, according to scientists. Sea-level rise alone threatens 30 percent of the state’s beaches over the next 85 years."
How can the sea rise only on 30% of beaches?
climte.gov has a nice temperature dashboard that has all the data you can play with and graph in realtime. May I suggest you go and look at it to find out what x is? Aren't you curious?
The explanation for the 30% figure is twofold. If you'll notice, where they ripped up all the trees, erosion takes place. In the Keys, whihc they can't touch, not so much.
Also, they've been pumping groundwater out for ages. Do you think this leaves behind a great huge hole and a vacuum? No really, the land sort of sinks:
http://www.nature.com/news/sou...
Need Mercedes parts ?
GW fanatics have been doing the same for the last 10 years...but that never gets spammed on slashdot. So very strange I say. This why you never mix science and politics. You'll get a lot of disinformation in the name of science.
Whatever shall we do, without buzzwords?
The First Amendment prevents government from restricting the speech of government employees. The First Amendment doesn't apply to private companies, so of course they could tell you to stand on your head and proclaim Jesus as your personal savior if they wanted to.
What's even cooler is that employment is considered a property right under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. So no government employee can be fired "without due process of law". That means even if you flip out and murder your co-workers, the government literally has to go through a reviewable process to fire you where you are given the opportunity to defend yourself and fight the termination. Your boss can't simply say, "you're fired!"
So, for example, if you were a federal government employee who was "outed" as having contributed to an anti-gay political cause, they could never fire you. The Fifth Amendment would require them to document and explain your termination (including giving you the right to some kind of appeal within the agency). And the First Amendment would prevent them from being able to use your previous donation as a reason for your termination.
Anyhow, blame the Constitution if you ever wondered why it's [supposedly] so hard to fire government employees.
If AGW is to be believed, then the story of King Cnut is outdated.
I think this is what most AGW-deniers have a problem accepting--that humans have [collectively] become so powerful and our planet is so relatively small that we can actually alter the evolution of the global climate.
I have no problem with the idea, however. If we can strip entire continents of forests. If we can nearly eradicate the ozone layer. If we can cause such a mass extinction of flora and fauna that it's noteworthy on a geological timescale. Then it's not at all far fetched that we can raise average global temperatures and in effect alter the motion of the oceans and tides.
You're absolutely right. We must immediately allocate significant funding to give flat earth advocates the opportunity to make their case, because there are two sides to every issue. We also need to consider phlogiston theory, orgone energy, and whether sacrificial animal entrails can divine the future. All theories must be considered equally valid without regard to other supporting evidence.
Why is Snark Required?
You are assuming that the only difference between the peaceful and the violent is the religion of those involved, which is clearly specious beyond belief.
For at least some people, religion is the catalyst which turns wrong thought into wrong action. It is also a source of wrong thought, so it's both the impetus to violence, and the excuse for same in one package.
You seem to forget that if we applied your logic to the Troubles in Northern Ireland, Christianity immediately becomes nothing more than a code-word for rampant terrorism.
What? No. It does however encompass rampant terrorism, and justifiably so. Christianity has been used as the excuse for a great deal of murderous violence on all scales from lynchings to international wars.
Or you can just make stuff up which absolves you of any complicity.
You mean like religion?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
The land of the free and the home of the brave strikes again...
The will be one of the first to be under water.
"The law approved by the senate on 12 June [2012] banned scientists in state agencies from using exponential extrapolation to predict sea-level rise, requiring instead that they stick to linear projections based on historical data."
No need to limit talking in NC, they just pass legislation which limits sea rise. Science through legislation. Done and done.
http://www.scientificamerican....
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
Florida has a lunatic right wing governor who is a hazard to all of us. This attempt to strangle free speech is typical of the right wing. The southern end of Miami Beach is already in trouble from rising seas. The storm drains designed to get rid of our heavy rains now act as a conduit for ocean water flooding the streets there. Every time we get a tide that is a few inches higher than average the streets flood with ocean water and if it rains there is no place for the water to drain at all. It is already a multi billion dollar problem here. Frankly Miami is so heavily invested with mortgages and insurance policies that any serious hurricane which hits Miami could wipe out the entire economy of the US. Major hurricane strikes tend to occur in Miami about every thirty years or so and about two absurdly strong storms hit Miami per century. The situation in Miami could make Katrina's strike on New Orleans look trivial. There are no real plans in effect to do anything about such an event.
The use of "buzzword" is no longer sanctioned.
I can see why you'd want to poke at the Democrats, but to mention her gender seems ridiculous. Are you really that far gone that you think her gender matters at all in this discussion, and accidentally just showed everyone you're a bigot? It seems like it.
No-one is calling for a totalitarian response, just sensible regulation the likes of which have been used in the past to mitigate environmental issues exacerbated by industry. You proffering this false dichotomy only serves to show you in the most unflattering light.
Boss: "Sheesh - you guys blame climate change for EVERYTHING. Tone it down a bit. Just use it when it actually applies. No, you weren't late for work because of climate change."
Department Head: "Do not refer to climate change in in official document unless it pertains to the actual science, and not just to fill in a dull paragraph in a press release."
Assistant to the Department Head: "I hear the Boss doesn't want us to talk about climate change."
Low-level Flunky: "OHMIGOD! They're banning any reference to climate change or global warming!"
Reporter: "So it's an official policy, but it's not written down, and you can't tell me who came up with the policy? And we can only find four people who say this is true, without evidence or documentation? CONSPIRACY!"
If they're developing policy by verbal communcation rather than documented memos, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Let's see what else we can do to take the people out of democracy.
Florida says to cut the talk about global warming and everyone gets bunched-up panties. Congress wants to investigate "skeptics" at public universities and their friends, family, pets, and bathroom habits and everyone yawns.
The pattern here is government involvement in thought and opinion. Both of the above should be equally disturbing.
The gov has been repub since Jeb Bush in 1999.
Seems more likely to be economic development based.
As in if folks expect to be under water, there won't be any.
Setting new weather related records seems common these days.
We just set a record low here that has stood since 1932.
I strongly suspect things are changing, but it seems the farmer's almanac is about as good as the climate scientists for predicting what will happen next.
If the job of Governor is to provide for the future, then having a frank and open debate exposing the strengths and weaknesses of the state of knowledge is an option. I don't think the deniers would be upset, but others might, and the result would likely not do more than cast a shadow over the present Florida.
If the job of Gov is to keep things stable now, then kicking the can to the next generation seems wise.
So what's a Gov to do?
A reasonable attitude might be show me the models and then tell me to change how I ilve.
It would be neat to see a clear report on the state of modeling as to what has happened and why.
As in here's what we would need to measure to model the revalent energy and mass transport mechanisms to figure out how we got to where we are.
This likely means extending the atmospheric weather models to include the oceans, where most of the long term action is.
Given a model for the present, one could attempt to use it to predict the future.
I haven't seen any signs that science is any where near close to having the data to start thinking about such a model.
Which says telling me to turn down the AC is precautionary at best.
His path seems to be don't show me any models and don't tell me what to do.
That may be politically expedient, but seems hard to defend from a responsible Gov point of view.
Unless his goal is reelection or entertainment for the rest of us?
I thought the government was supposed to be prohibited from endorsing any religious position. So how is shamanism any different?
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
we can actually alter the evolution of the global climate
I don't alter the evolution of my global climate unless it expresses an interest in evolving. Global Climate, I choose you!
The reason that government employees should be prohibited from discussing political subjects while on the job is something like this:
"I think we must stop global warming, don't you, Mr. Taxpayer? You don't? Well, I'm going to have to examine your tax records because I think you deliberately underpaid. And my friend here, the policeman, is going to follow you everywhere you go, and even the slightest vehicle infraction is going to draw the maximum fine."
People able to legally use force of arms against individuals should not be allowed to enforce their whims, and being allowed to state their whims is the first step in enforcing them.
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Its amazing the effect of Untaxed Inherited wealth in this country. Koch, DeVos, Walton, etc. etc.
North Carolina does not allow planning to take account of sea level rise because it impedes permitting new development. http://abcnews.go.com/US/north... Florida faces wide scale loss of real estate which hurts some constituencies if dealt with honestly.
This does, somehow, seem to be applicable.
Reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled.
--- Richard P. Feynman
The experiment is in progress. Nature will give us the answer in time, but by then it will probably be too late do do anything about it if we don't like that answer.
I agree with everything you said. I fear you and the person I replied to are making different points. I was merely pointing out that terrorism doesn't "belong" to any single religion - they are all equally as capable of being perverted in order to commit hideous behaviour.
State employees shouldn't be using it because it is a mean nothing buzzword. When you look at it philosophically nothing is sustainable, not even what is considered green as it guaranteed that the world will eventually run out of resources no matter what we do. Even if mankind no longer existed, the planet will eventually find itself facing its bitter end when our sun goes supernova.
Blah blah blah Koch-bot.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Where did I say that? And who exactly is proposing totalitarianism? We're talking about limiting CO2 emissions here, not tattooing a fucking number on your arm.
Christ, we don't let people dump PCPs in rivers, do you think that's dictatorial?
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Someone else posted this sometime back, and I think this is the best way to deal with our problems: http://www.gocomics.com/joelpett/2009/12/13/
Why are you so afraid of the governor's gender being revealed?
Last I checked laws aren't passed by governors, but by legislatures.
Governors/Presidents sign bills into law fairly regularly that they don't agree with simply because they don't have the inclination to fight over everything, particularly if an override is assured.
Yes, this is true: I was getting lectures on this in the fall semester of 1977, LONG before anybody in academia was making "big research money" plumping for AGW.
The only science against this in the last two decades (three, really) has been "tobacco-institute"-like organizations whose funding shown their compromise.
In mid-2014, Exxon-Mobil's president and chief PF flack publicly agreed with AGW and announced their investment strategy will be more efficient fossil fuel use and plans for a CARBON TAX.
When Exxon-Mobil switches sides, you know it's time to give it up.
So then you are of the opinion that the Peoples' Democratic Republic of North Korea really is democratic?
After all, it's right there in the name, so it must be true!
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Yet another mind boggling ignorant proclamation from the republican tainted south. Quick, let’s elect its head (AKA Jeb Bush) leader of the free (?) world.
TOLD you we were exceptional, didn't we!!
I came across this same BS on Facebook the other day.
Bigotry disguising as Psuedo-History.
We have not been at war with Islam since day 1. The Barbary States were but one group if Islamic peoples, specifically a subset of the Ottoman Empire, whom we did not go to war with. Also not involved in that war was Persia, the greater middle east, southeast asia, or any of a hsot of them nations that also were and are Islamic. Further our own actual declarations of war against the Barbary States, and our diplomatic actions and peace treaties afterward all made it abundantly clear and repeatedly stated that the conflict was NOT one with Islam. And we even won that war with the help of Muslims, including Barbers.
Our President's, both Adams and Jefferson, even took part in Islamic Religious rituals during meetings with Islamic abassadors and representatives (after all, POTUS is considered chief diplomat). Can you imagine of a modern POTUS did that?
So anyway, once again you prove you are simply a troll.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Good. Nice to see government employees muzzled for a change. Climate change is a fraud.
And yet temperatures continue to rise, ice continues to melt, sea level continues to rise (look out Florida) and the oceans continue to acidify.
They can't deny it either. Cuts both ways.
Mind you, they can't plan for sea-level rise, which might be ... foolish. Florida is on average only 100ft about sea level, and has a highest point that is a whopping 345ft.
If the predictions of doom* in 100 years are correct they would still have 96 years to act. That might be enough.
Huh!? It's not like all the sea level rise waits for 96 years then manifests suddenly. It just continues to slowly rise and long before it reaches the 1 meter in 100 years there will be effects that have to be dealt with. Even 6 inches of rise will have a serious effect on NC's barrier islands.
I wasnt trying to say that all of them are terrorists, but I am saying that it is being used as a tool today for so, and has been for hundreds of years. That doersnt negate what others have done in the past, but it would be foolish to also ignore the reality. and the reality is, people claiming to belong to one group have been at war with america since day one.
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
again, im in no way trying to say it is all of them, but to pretend a large portion of them are not for the sake of political correctness is just silly. the truth is that people using the name of their religion have been at war with us from day one and that is a fact.
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
true, just the word "vaccine"
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
thank you
all that left denying climate change are the alex jones herp derp "it's all a conspiracy" morons
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
What does the fact she's female have to do with hair-brained legislation? I frown on your inferences.
The First Amendment doesn't apply to private companies, so of course they could tell you to stand on your head and proclaim Jesus as your personal savior if they wanted to.
Not so sure about that. Maybe if they were literally being paid to say that. However, religion is a protected class according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class , so I figure it could bring up some sort of lawsuit against the company if the act wasn't somehow related to why you were hired.
I mean, it's my assumption that if a private company were to hire someone to be a computer programmer, and that computer programmer is an atheist, it would probably violate the law to compel said atheist to perform such an action of declaring Jesus as a personal savior. Replace "atheist" with "Jew" if you think "atheist" isn't considered a religion.
Exactly what do you expect "an attorney with the DEP's Office of General Counsel in Tallahassee" to say, that would count as a positive contribution to anyone's knowledge about climate change?
I have aboslutely no problem with forbidding state employees - with the exception of any working climatologists or meteorologists who are specifically paid to advise on the subject - from using loaded and imprecise terms. Let them talk about things they do know about, and leave climate change to those whose job it is to talk about that - namely, those scientists, journalists, politicians, and private individuals, who decide to take an interest in it.
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The science is settled, like the aether, land bridges and stomach Ulcers being cause by spicy food.
Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
Would it matter if I did, you'd just deny it anyway.
Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
You're absolutely right. It all has to be 100% pro the status quo or your some kind of idiotic, fox news, denier. I'm glad you are starting to see the problems with the lack of a debate here.
Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
At least as real as AWG.
Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
I've noticed that a lot of things that seem true to you aren't so. That is just one of the many hazards of your ideology.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Actually there have been calls for massive government intervention and widespread, harsh restrictions on people's daily activities, not to mention the economy as a whole, in order to "combat" what is now referred to by the nonspecific term "climate change." Your often uninformed commentary from a fringe perspective does little to flatter you.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
...the sea water around your ankles on the OBT. It'll be fine.
Teach the contreversy
Since my raving loon superstition is just as valid as your scienmatific theoretory.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
It is naive to think that a planet measures with a human; that a scientist is anything other than a intelligent person with a drive to solve issues.
He is crazy if you think about it; I am not.
Just because there's another side doesn't mean the two sides are equally valid.