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Apple's "Spring Forward" Event Debuts Apple Watch and More
samzenpus (5) writes There was a lot of news at Apple's Spring Forward keynote today. Here's a list of some of the most eye-catching announcements.
- HBO Now standalone streaming service coming to Apple TV and iOS apps in early April for $14.99 a month.
- Lowered price of Apple TV to $69.
- Apple Pay accepted at up to 100,000 Coca-Cola machines by the end of the year.
- ResearchKit Announced: Is open source and allows medical researchers to create apps, and use the iPhone as a diagnostic tool.
- New MacBook: Lightest ever at 2 pounds, 13.1mm at its thickest point. 2304x1440 display, consumes 30% less energy. Fanless, powered with Intel's Core M processor. 802.11ac, Bluetooth 4.0. and 9 hours of web browsing battery life. Supports many protocols through one connector USB-C. Ships April 10, starting at $1,299.
- iOS 8.2 is available today
- Apple Watch: Accurate within 50ms of UTC. Read and delete email, built-in speaker and mic so you can receive calls. It tracks your movement and exercise. Use Apple Pay, play your music, use Siri and get any notification you get on iPhone today. 18 hour battery life in a typical day. Sport model starting at $349, stainless steel price: $549-$1049 for 38mm, 42mm is $599-$1099, and gold edition starting at $10k. Pre-orders begin April 10th, available April 24th.
Sounds like a perfect match.
more seriously, I'm shocked at how low the price is on the stainless steel watch is. 549/599? I was expecting near 1k.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
While the iWatch might do well in China and Asia (especially the gold version), watches are an old person's deal here in North America.
Meh.
Wake me up when the iPhone 7 comes out.
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You'd hope you could at least melt that case down once the Apple Watch 3 comes out, but the ceramic material that's mixed in might even make that hard.
What is up with that new laptop? It has like almost no ports! I have a rMBP and even with the two USB ports and the two Thunderbold ports I still need to use a USB hub so I can plug in all of the devices I need to use with my rMBP! Booooo! BOOOOOO! We need more ports, not less!
HBO Now standalone streaming service coming to Apple TV and iOS apps in early April for $14.99 a month.
not really an innovation but, okay. There was nothing stopping this from happening before, why did it need an event?
Lowered price of Apple TV to $69.
Okay, market competition is good. this too would have happened inevitably and regardless of any innovation, unless youre an accountant on the apple campus that happens to be particularly proud of their excel pivot tables related to this.
Apple Pay accepted at up to 100,000 Coca-Cola machines by the end of the year.
Ah so the great war to control the pocketbook rages on I see. Considering soda sales have been in sharp and inexplicable decline since 2013, im not sure what this does for apple...but kudos to the innovators at Coca Cola for implementing the Apple pay api!
ResearchKit Announced: Is open source and allows medical researchers to create apps, and use the iPhone as a diagnostic tool.
Cool, but the apps store is still a draconian gulag. expect a dearth of crisis pregnancy apps to get written and a bunch of Abortion assistance apps to get flagged and removed as part of our nations proud tradition of culture warfare. And how do we handle HIPAA here?
New MacBook: Lightest ever at 2 pounds, 13.1mm at its thickest point. 2304x1440 display, consumes 30% less energy. Fanless, powered with Intel's Core M processor. 802.11ac, Bluetooth 4.0. and 9 hours of web browsing battery life. Supports many protocols through one connector USB-C. Ships April 10, starting at $1,299.
Small laptop gets smaller, faster, better, and more expensive despite industry-standard hardware used and widely available at lower cost but without the little white light up apple.
iOS 8.2 is available today
iOS=iOS++....I'd be concerned if the OS werent periodically patched and updated but to the apple engineers making this OS possible, good on ya!
Apple Watch: Accurate within 50ms of UTC. Read and delete email, built-in speaker and mic so you can receive calls. It tracks your movement and exercise. Use Apple Pay, play your music, use Siri and get any notification you get on iPhone today. 18 hour battery life in a typical day. Sport model starting at $349, stainless steel price: $549-$1049 for 38mm, 42mm is $599-$1099, and gold edition starting at $10k. Pre-orders begin April 10th, available April 24th.
Our phones do all of this, are in ubiquitous use, wont stop working if we carelessly wash our hands, and havent cost this much for nearly a decade. And the real kick in the ass is that apple will immediately slash prices 80% once an android competitor comes out and hangs around in this artificial market long enough until people realize singing talking wrist watches are about as practical as google glass.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Sounds like a perfect match.
more seriously, I'm shocked at how low the price is on the stainless steel watch is. 549/599? I was expecting near 1k.
Sadly I was expecting a lower price for this. When the accessory costs far more than the primary device it supports, the pricing model is rather broken regardless of features.
People also need to realize that in less than three years, they'll likely be replacing that $600 watch due to battery death or software/hardware attrition. By comparison, someone who spends $600 on a traditional timepiece expects to pass that down through generations.
Sure, but regular watches don't become obsolete in 3 years.
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The one thing I found concerning about the new MacBook is that it does away with Thunderbolt. So will there ever be a 5K supporting Thunderbolt connector, or will this be handled by USB-C? And will the charger for the new MacBook have ports on it? Like a mini-display port, USB, or even Ethernet?
Can get similar specs in a laptop for around $800.
Can you get them in a similarly sized package that is as well built? If so, please cite your sources. Else, you're just pulling that number out of your ass.
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Stainless steel is more expensive than aluminium and uses a sapphire front.
That's easily within reason to say 200 bucks for a fashion item.
Plus the higher end bands have these precision machined steel bands that are hand polished.
If you look at high end fashion watches, 1k for a high end steel watch is nothing, much less watch bands.
From Breitling:
Example for watches
example for bands.
From TAG Heuer:
Watches.
Everyone wants to scream at Apple for being a fashion brand, but the truth is is that if they were, they'd be Vertu. All gold and sapphire buttons with no real substance running some bland OS with crappy software on top.
Apple's a *fashionable* brand, and the key difference here is that a lot of people want them because they're nice products that are nice to use and look and feel nice. It's approaching consumerism from the other side where you're wanted not because you're exclusive or anything insane or insidious like that, but because you do what you do very well.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
But the Rolex won't be obsolete in a year. :) And you are pretty much guaranteed that the Rolex will still be working 24 hours later. The Apple Watch has an estimated 18 hour life.
I don't know about the Apple fanclub, but I've had plenty of days where I didn't get home for 24 hours. Needing to feed my phone twice a day seems just about as needy as a tamagotchi.
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
With the exception that your Rolex will tell you that the bar will close in 5 mins so you can make a dash for it, rather than being stuck at home to charge your overpriced watch in the middle of the night.
Why does Slashdot even bother posting Apple news? The comments simply fill up with Apple bashing, and major amounts of vitriol.
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It's relative to the lifespan and utility of the watch. In a year or two it will be hopelessly outdated and what happens when the battery ultimately fails on the high end model? Do you really think Apple will continue to provide service for the watch like other companies do for theirs? I think not, Apple has never supported ANY of their products for very long, and let's not forget that this is not the first time Apple has sold products at this price point. The Macintosh IIfx sold for between $10K and $12K when it was released..... ever even seen one?
This will be funny when a system update bricks one of the expensive ones....
I also can't check my email on the rolex and sext my mistress either
(I have no idea what Rolex owners do with their phones; so I'm extrapolating.)
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
As someone who just sold a Zenbook Prime for being an utter piece of crap, and the 3rd one returned, I beg to differ.
It tracks your movement
Obviously privacy advocates will never make headway with Apple fans. This is a selling point to them.
Movement != Location and Watch Tracking != Apple Tracking
It tracks your movement locally on the watch, such as the number of steps you take, by using its accelerometer and gyroscope, and then it can plug that into a Health app on your watch or phone so that you can monitor your own activity across a period of time. That data doesn't typically get sent back to Apple. On top of that, it does not track your location, nor would it even able to do so, since it lacks GPS or cellular antennas. The best it can do is ask your phone where you're at, assuming you've allowed your phone to track your location and share that data with your watch, which is entirely optional and can be controlled on a per-app basis from within settings. You can even configure apps to only have location tracking capability while they are actively running in the foreground, rather than allowing them to access it while running in the background.
Meanwhile, let's not pay attention to the fact that Google Wallet tracks all of your purchases and makes it accessible to Google, nor that Google Health (RIP) used to centralize all of your medical information in Google's cloud, whereas Apple's offerings—Apple Pay, HealthKit, and ResearchKit—keep Apple out of the loop entirely. The only way Apple would even possibly get any of that information is if you choose to take advantage of the entirely optional iCloud Backup feature to backup your device, but doing so would mean that the backed up data would be encrypted with a key that was generated on your device which they don't have access to, meaning that they don't have access to your data at all. Hell, even look at hardware encryption on the phone. It got dropped from Lollipop after Google made a big deal about adding it, but it's been on every iPhone since the iPhone 3GS, released back in 2009.
While there are arguments to be made in favor of some of the niche players in this space, as best I can tell, Apple is currently well ahead of the other major players in terms of protecting their users both from outside prying eyes and from themselves.
It will be really cool to wear in a three years time, when the device is no longer supported for updates. Or in 5 years time, when the batteries are dead, the charger is no longer produced, and the owner realises that it would have been a better investment to buy a real watch for that money. 10k for a watch with a one year warranty, hopefully the owners can afford applecare. Bring out Nelson!
I just bought a new Macbook pro and Apple TV two weeks ago. Yes, I know they're always coming out with new products, but I didn't expect the Macbook to be so much different, for less money, and I didn't expect the Apple TV price drop of 30%.
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does it work without an iphone?
what does it do that an iPhone does not or cannot?
will it be subsidized by ATT and Verizon like iPhones are?
who still wears watches? will they switch if they do? will they start now if they dont?
Apple is not a Rolex or Tag Heuer. Get that retarded concept right out of your head. Not anywhere near the same class of product.
If you want to equate it to a watch, think Timex.
Obsolete? Are you saying it's going to become incompatible with everything, thus making it useless? That's very much in Apple's hands. There's no reason it has to be.
Fancy watches are jewelry. Jewelry doesn't become obsolete in 2 years.
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Except Apple is not a watch brand, so they cannot expect to be able to charge what Rolex or Breitling can. Plus who wants a watch that has to be charged twice a day?
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Those watches don't need an extended applecare plan to be supported for decades. They are made by companies whose core business is making watches. And they are still in prestine condition after half a century. When you suddenly need funds, you can always sell that Rolex you inherited. Now try to imagine a Pawnstars episode with someone offering a 10 year old gold applewatch with a dead battery (not servicable ofcourse), for 10k.
I love people like this. Low information and proud of their ignorance- yet the hardships they encounter are always someone else's problem.
Grow up, smarten up, and learn to live like an intelligent human being intead of some ignorant ass racist. Life is a lot better when yoiu aren't putting obstacles in your own way.
I love these ifnorant asses comparing an apple product that will be defunct in a year to Rolexes. The stupid is very very stron in the onse that love to blow Jobs.
In 5 years I'll be able to sell my Rolex for close to what I paid for it. The Apple watch with a dead battery and no longer getting updates or support will be worth what ever gold weight you can get from it.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
*cough*
It took you hanging out with your betters to figure that one out I see.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
The kind of timepieces that can be reliably passed down through generations rarely cost $600.
The Apple Watch has an estimated 18 hour life. [...] Needing to feed my phone twice a day
Which planet are you living on that has a 36-hour day?
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Don't watches go in and out of style like everything else? I imagine there are circles that would shun you if you were walking around with your rolex from 3 years ago.
I don't know much about high end watches. I'll be honest, i can't tell a tag heurer from a breitling, To me, it looks like watch fashion has never changed so maybe a rolex never goes out of style.
I do remember a time, though, when everyone wore a swatch. up to 10 on each arm. fashion is a fickle thing and doesn't always drive people to make the sane choices.
How many of your previous predictions of Apple products failing came true? ... yes, I thought so.
But certainly reasonable given their track record.
In three years? Possibly.
In five years? Probably.
In ten years? Of course.
The first gen iPhone came out nine years ago and is not compatible with any iPhone apps. About the only thing you can do with it is sync with iTunes (which I do on occasion). Not a big deal, as I use it as a jukebox for my daughter's bedroom.
The first gen iPad came out five years ago and is not compatible with the last few iOS updates or with most apps available in the app store (since they require newer versions of iOS). I use mine as a remote control for my media center and to read some PDFs.
I guess when the Apple Watch is obsolete it will still tell time. Hopefully the battery doesn't degrade much over that time period (or is it replaceable by any watchmaker?).
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Yeah, it's totally crazy that a tech site would cover a major Apple event where they announce an entirely new class of products as well as several refreshes. They even put it in a single post instead of spreading all across the front page with separate articles for every announcement like some pages. You are complaining about a site doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing in the correct way.
I read the internet for the articles.
Apple is not a Rolex or Tag Heuer. ...you want to equate it to a watch, think Timex.
You're correct, it's not a Rolex nor Tag Heuer, but it's not a Timex either. It's something entirely different, much like the iPhone when it came out was something entirely different, but happened to have similarities and all the function of other phones. In this case it functions like a watch, but anyone that buys it as a watch is an idiot. That's like buying a car to use as a wheelbarrow. Sure, it can haul stuff, but it can do so much more.
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
... That is an advertised 18 hour battery life on day one with a brand new device. That means you'll probably be lucky to get 12 hours a day in a year or two, since rechargeable batteries tend to age poorly. By comparison, the upcoming Pebble Time advertised a week of battery life for the base model, and ten days for the Steel version.
The problem is it weighs 32% more (2.6 lbs vs 2 lbs) and is 33% bigger (324mm x 226mm vs. 280mm x 196mm). It also does not have USB-C. It is slimmer though, at 12.1 mm!
So, it depends on what one means by similar specs. Over 30% heavier and bulkier in two dimensions is not similar for my needs.
Snapple started selling their 'greatest stuff on earth' in plastic bottles, now it tastes terrible. So yeah, Apple is Snapple.
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They've given themselves a guaranteed six months with no DST issues.
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By the event or the comments today. Some interesting news, but nothing too earth shattering.
And the comments seem to break down to one or the either:
1. Apple is dumb, watches are dumb, I have a phone.
2. High end watches (fashion or otherwise) cost money, so the Apple Watches are in the right ballpark.
I stopped wearing a watch a long while back, but have thought about getting a more fashionable watch, to act more like a piece of jewelry. I like Apple and my iPhone, but I don't really see myself choosing to buy this instead of a nice fashion watch instead.
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Apple really is queen of the 9s. Do any of its prices not have a 9 in it?
It's hard to have respect for a company that doesn't respect your intelligence through ubiquitous use of a dumb pricing trick.
But certainly reasonable given their track record.
They don't have a track record for $10,000 watches, whilst that obviously isn't a reassuring thing, it also means you simply can't say that 3 years till software obsolescence is a reasonable assumption.
As far as iPhones and and iPads, Apple has kept older devices compatible with the latest OS until the old device is simply too lacking in resources to run the latest OS. There's certainly not been any deliberate cutting off of older devices.
With the Watch there's a different situation, where the software on the watch is a relatively thin layer, with most work done by the phone. It wouldn't be too hard to keep an existing old version of software on the watch compatible with versions of iOS for many years to come. If Apple wants to.
And do Apple want to? Depends how long they want their new Watch business to last.
Except on neither the Rolex, Tag Heuer, or Timex can I check my email or use maps to figure out where I am. There's a slab of electronics behind the glass that you don't find in either of them. I'm willing to bet the next few generations of Apple watch will have the same mounting points for the bands so all you have to do is just buy another 250/350 dollar robotic core and resync to your phone when it's time to upgrade.
I'm also not expecting to see a yearly upgrade cycle with this thing either, given that it's battery constrained. Unless a process shrink or some new design technique greatly improves CPU performance while offering the same or better battery life
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
I need to stash that comment someplace for the future. You know, the "Less space than a Nomad. Lame." future.
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It isn't a good idea to completely deplete a lithium-ion battery on a regular basis. Keeping its charge above 25% makes makes an 18-hour battery a 13.5-hour battery, which means it must be charged 1.8 times a day, unless you charge it overnight while you sleep.
Still, its battery life is a step back from conventional watches. If you're going to invent a new mousetrap, you should try to make it at least as good as the old one in every way--no regressions.
Any sufficiently unpopular but cohesive argument is indistinguishable from trolling.
Will the sun eat the earth because Apple defied what you perceive to be fair pricing?
Because I really think you're underestimating market demand for these things.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
Mechanical watches have been obsolete since the 1970s.
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My pencil set also has a five star rating. Doesn't make them comparable.
>> So what do you do about your smartphone then?
It lasts longer than 18 hours. :)
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The problem is it weighs 32% more (2.6 lbs vs 2 lbs) and is 33% bigger (324mm x 226mm vs. 280mm x 196mm). It also does not have USB-C. It is slimmer though, at 12.1 mm!
So, it depends on what one means by similar specs. Over 30% heavier and bulkier in two dimensions is not similar for my needs.
It lacks USB-C but has a dedicated charging port, 3 USB 3.0 ports (as in available even when charging, what a revolution!!!) and a dedicated HDMI port, again, which is not shared with any USB or charging port and directly usable without a dongle. It's well worth the extra size and weight for most people.
aluminum, stainless and 18K gold?
6061 Aluminim Billet 1" Diameter Rod 1' long Unpolished $9.10
316 Stainless Steel Billet 1" Diameter Rod 1' long Unpolished $23.68
That's a cost increase in just the raw material alone. Now have you ever tried to machine Stainless Steel? It's a very hard allow. By contrast aluminum cuts likes a hot knife through butter. So when are machining Stainless you are more likely to break your tooling. You need to factor that cost into the final price as well. You can try this your self. Get a chunk of aluminum, stainless steel and a hack saw and see how long it takes you cut one compared to the other.
This proves how morally superior Google's concern for user privacy is over Apple's: after Google collects all that consumer health information from its wearable devices, it carefully cancels the project before actually twirling its black mustache and sending the data to ISIS.
But he doesn't want Apple covered at all. Because it's part of the open source religion. Apart from that open source project they announced of course.
At least south of the equator.
. Latest Mac Pro has zero internal expansion, rats-nest generator
. No expandable Mid-tower (crickets)
. iPhone batteries can't be replaced or upgraded
. Mini remains non-upgradable for memory
. OSX hosts / LAN broken, can't reference sites on your own LAN
. iOS still can't truly multitask
. PPC emulation gone, all that software is now money -> trash
. Development remains "walled garden"
. Prices... well, judge for yourself.
The single biggest thing to come out of this was the announcement of ResearchKit. I don't think people fully appreciate just how...sparse and brittle medical research data can be, even today.
Even in situations where there do exist tracking devices, they tend to be clunky, cobbed-together, user-unfriendly things that are built using generations-old, heavily-used devices--generally by dint of the fact that researchers have so little money to spend on this sort of thing.
Having an open-source platform that'll open the data floodgates? THAT is going to have some real and lasting consequences for medical research.
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I can't speak for most people. I'm merely pointing out that comparing two ultrabooks, which exist to be ultra-portable, where one is a third larger and heavier, seems a strained comparison.
Number of ports isn't the new MacBook's purpose. Thinness and lightness is. And more ports would have prevented that.
Bullshit, shill. They could have easily had more ports without sacrificing either.
Look at the video of the internals, they specially sculpt batteries that occupy all the volume of the case beyond the trackpad and logic board. More connectors would mean less battery.
Also, more ports are an adapter away for those rare individuals who need them.
And the GP is correct, people who need such things are probably more interested in the MacBook Pro. I'm in that camp.
Possibly. But it you had one from thirty years ago it'd be the coolest thing ever.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I was underwhelmed by the watch. Frankly, I nearly coughed up a lung when they mentioned / confirmed the price of the gold model. A few will buy it simply because it's Apple. To me, it's not a something I'd drop the equivalent of a few months rent or mortgage on. The Sport model will sell quickly among the fans.
Battery life still sucks. Personally, one should not have to charge their phone once a day. A week should be the minimum between recharges.
Lastly, as a critique item, it's pretty hard to justify why one should pay almost as much for an accessory as the device it extends. The iPhones will be relegated to the back pocket just begging to be sat upon and requiring a new phone be purchased....Wait a minute....
Does the concept have promise? Perhaps. It will be initially be a success among the health AND selfie conscious. Some interesting and useful apps will be developed ( I can think of a few ). But, it will take about a year for people to decide if its worth having. That's when the general population decides it is or isn't useful. At that time, I may break down and buy one if it looks like the market for Apple Watch apps holds potential (financial) as anything other than a fad.
So, the screen is bigger, and you interpret this to be bad.
That's odd to me... I would think that would be a positive. Larger screen, more ports... and slightly heavier. And $500 cheaper.
How did Apple convince you that their product is better?
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Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
Sure, the Rolex is obsolete right now. :)
The Rolex works, but as a timekeeping device. A pretty poor one, really, since even the best mechanical movements are no match for a digital watch and will drift over time. Besides, why do I need to strap a thing to my wrist to tell the time? I can see three clocks on my desktop as I type this (the Windows start bar one, and two emacs buffers--I have a clock in the modeline).
The Apple watch is marginally more useful, and arguably easier on the eyes in certain configurations. (There are luxury watches that are the most obnoxious affront to good taste. Most of them, really.)
Anyway, I don't want one, but it's really no worse than spending money on a Rolex.
Did you read the words 'production cost'?
Do you have a point?
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Yeah for a watch made by a company that has a history of making spectacular watches? how many watches has Apple made? All Apple did was put a small arm processor in a case. Hardly the craftsmanship of the inner workings of a mechanical masterpiece like Rolex or a Breitling. I mean really are you comparing the tiny SoC made by a Chinese factory to the inner workings of a Swiss action watch made by hand. That;s why the watches are worth so much, and why they will hod their value. I am sorry but in 3 years an $10k gold Apple watch will be worthless due to the fact that they lower the quality of the gold by mixing it with ceramics. You won't even be able to get gold weight for it.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
You don't need to charge the Rolex, Tag Heuer or Timex every single fucking day either.
Fancy watches don't have li-ion batteries that lose their charge after 5 years either.
Indeed, we will see. I'm tempted to be the first to gold electroplate one and overcharge the fools.
I think a more likely high end outcome is real prestige jewelers make watch cases. That's assuming the watch doesn't flop completely.
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Sure I can. most $10k watches are marvels of mechanical engineering, they hold their value. Apple has no history making watches, and their watch is closer to a Casio then a Rolex (chinese made parts in a ceramic/gold case). My Rolex (a present) is useful for may as it is a great sailing watch, I never have to wind it, I never have to charge it. It keeps impeccable time (very important when sailing, you know sextant and all that).
And to everyone who says mechanical watches are obsolete. Mine will still work in 50 years.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
Worse is the Gold is mixed with ceramics so you can't even sell it for gold weight.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
No it's a Casio wrapped in gold leaf.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
No it's not "solid gold", it's mixed with ceramics to make it harder http://www.businessinsider.com...
Try and sell that to your local pawn shop as gold see what they offer you.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
Not really, the Submariner design hasn't really changed at all in it's lifetime.
The classic designs never really go out of style.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
Obsolete for what purpose? Even the cheapest mechanical watches can keep time well enough for regular use (within a few seconds per day). It's not like I plan to do manual GPS calcs with it. I just want something accurate enough to be sure I get to meetings at about the right time.
Besides, there's an inherent advantage to mechanical watches. They don't need batteries.
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Breitling and Tag Heuer are not fashion watches. They are high end timepieces and built extremely well. Most of the Breitlings, and many of the Tags, have very complex and accurate automatic movements. For the non-watch crowd, automatic movements do not use batteries. Some of them have hundreds of moving parts and take great skill to assemble. That is part of the reason that they cost so much money. It takes a long time but design and build them and they tend to last a very long time. Some of them also have very good investment potential.
While the iWatch might do well in China and Asia (especially the gold version),
yes!
why? because people in China, Asia, and the Middle East (think rich Quataris) *absolutely love* our pointless opulent bullshit consumer products
Americans are, arguably, the most discriminating, least hype-driven of the wealthy classes of the world
watches are an old person's deal here in North America.
this is where I disagree
people would **love** a good reason to buy this thing
as it is, it doesn't do shit, needs a damn iPhone5 to work, and steals your privacy
American consumers need more before they fork over the cash
if they learn to design this around user function first (instead of stealing biometric data) then they'll engineer something Americans will love
Thank you Dave Raggett
Who wants a watch that only works with an iPhone? If you don't like the iPhone 7 will you really ditch your $1k smart watch just so you can switch to a better phone?
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Mechanical watches can't get rootkit infestations.
You know i had the same impression when i looked at theses. Apple watch while interesting and impressive, seems more like a temp gadget than a lifetime tool.
I was looking at the list saying who in their right mind would pay 1-10k for one of these.. then realized i was wearing my submariner.
The difference is as you said, this watch from Apple will be irrelevant in 2-3 years (new versions, bad batteries, out dated software).
Where a high quality pure mechanical watch will last more than a lifetime (mine is a 62, its more than 20 years older than me, i'm the 3rd owner, and i plan on passing it to my son).
There are people who buy high end things for the "status" there are others that buy them because they understand value. Not all high end has high value, i would count the Apple watch in that group (high end low value) the same way i would compare a diamond encrusted submariner (used for people to show status, no one would ever go diving with it).
'...if only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.'
Ah yes, I want a piece of crap Asus for $800. Much like there is software so bad I wouldn't pirate it, there is hardware so bad I wouldn't take it for free.
I still say it about cell phones. If a phone can't last several days it's a piece of fucking shit.
If you're machining stainless steel you don't have a problem machining stainless steel.
NEV LaVie range, specifically the X and Z models? I'm sure we can play Top Trumps and point out various differences because no-one makes an exact clone of a MacBook, but there are plenty of Ultrabook machines out there that are comparable and usually much cheaper.
The Z is even lighter than the Air, and has better specs...
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Nobody will want your low-rent mass-produced $600 watch in a generation, let alone generations, even if it is an automatic movement.
The pass-it-down starting price is probably about 10x that.
Don't knock casio.
My casio watch has a decent hard screen, sets itself off some radio and is solar powered. I never touch it and it stays accurate. Even in the absense of a radio (it's a worldwide one and they're very longwave, so that's not a lot of places) it keeps pretty decent time.
IOW I wouldn't trade my casio for a smartwatch.
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Save for the OS, there would be a lot of cross-shopping between these two. They are specs comparable, high quality ultrabooks.
The Surface Pro 3 (without keyboard) is 1.76 pounds, so this isn't unheard of.
My SO has a Zenbook 11". It's a fantastic machine. How was the prime crap?
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A larger screen is not bad, but it is different. I look at an ultrabook as a portable machine. If I can have one inch less of screen diagonal for 33% less volume and 30% less weight, that's a win for me. My point was that when comparing two ultrabooks, size and weight are a pretty large part of their purpose. One also does not compare a Fiat 500 with a VW Golf. While they are both hatchbacks, one is huge compared to the other.
By that logic, why did we start using USB? At one point, no one else had used it either.
Yeah, except that if I buy a Breitling, with a battery change and lack of abuse it will still work exactly as good in 30 years as it does today. Can we say the same about ANY "smart" watch?
The device is only useful until the software updates stop, and the devices it talks to continue to support it. Anyone who buys a $10k+ generation-1 Apple Watch is a god damn fool. And I say that as someone who usually enjoys Apple stuff.
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Well, if it's an automatic watch, you either need to wear it, or keep it in a winding box...
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Why speak of CPU and RAM when the discussion is regarding build quality?
I have yet to use an ASUS machine that is as well-built as a MacBook Pro or MacBook Air.
Rather than blindly assume that Apple's build-quality is marketing varopour-ware, as you are doing, or blindly assume that Apple's build-quality is worth the extra expense, as you accuse jcr of doing, why not actually compare the two products first hand and make a choice based on that?
Well, there's always the option to just keep the phone you already have.
How does that not occur to people? If you like what you have, KEEP USING IT.
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I'm sorry but the price of your submariner isn't worth it either in any objective sense. You've justified it to yourself (or at least the person who bought it did) in the same way someone will justify buying an Apple Watch. The details are different, but the utility vs cost equation doesn't justify either.
On the other hand if it's something that you want and can afford, then who's to say you can't have it?
Shitty fads come and go, yes.
There are some fashions that go for generations. Pocket watches died out when the wrist watch became a thing, but the wrist watch has been here for decades, with decades to come. It's only a very recent thing (millenials) that people actually think that having an accurate timepiece that isn't also for making phone calls is "silly".
These smart watches are primarily aimed at them.
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First bitches
No, those are the ones who are pre-ordering this junk.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Welcome to the future.
I guess they must all be wrong.
MSFT executives can't be made to understand why this might be a bad idea.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
To be honest, i didn't justify it. This is a pass-down (i'm the 3rd owner).. at some point my grandfather justified it.
Personally i never would have justified it, but after owning it i could almost justify it. ~6,000$/58 years = ~100$ a year. which is nearly the cost of any decent dive watch. if it lasts another 50+ years then it will easily justify it's self (by being less than 50$ a year for a high quality dive watch).
But you can't even come close to thinking an apple watch will have a lifespan anywhere near what a quality pure mechanical watch will have.. not even a lower end (but still good) Fossil.
'...if only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.'
I suppose you are right, there's some cross shopping, but saying that the ASUS is similarly-sized is still pretty wrong. 30% is a large difference in the ultra-book market. And the Surface Pro 3 with a keyboard (the configuration that best compares against other clamshell ultrabooks) is almost two-and-a-half pounds.
There are luxury watches that are the most obnoxious affront to good taste. Most of them, really.
That's what you get for your $80 "Rollex" or your $40 "Onega" :-)
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
it used to be that your phone was mounted to your wall and never taken outside of the house unless you had a really really long cord.
Things change man. It'll be up to the market to decide who wants one. you clearly don't. I want one because there are things I don't want to fish into my pocket for, like changing what I'm listening to in my podcast player or checking maps.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
...which have 3-4 times the list price of the iWatch while being far less useful? I have no desire to own a gold iWatch or Rolex, even if I won the Powerball. I deal with this existential crisis by....not wanting one.
They've never before been successful at jumping into a new category and making hundreds of billions of dollars. You are right to bet against them.
Apple takes care of this for you.
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They are, actually.
That watch is UGLY. If I wanted a chunky watch (I don't) I'd go buy something for $20-$30 at walmart that at least wouldn't look quite so bad. A lot of people are going to wear this once, twice, then wear a long-sleeved sweater to hide it.
From the other people's comments, I was expecting "kinda ugly." Not "OMG please tell me they switched the babies 'cuz that one can't be mine!" ugly.
Any bets this is Apple's Zune moment? About the only good thing to say about this watch is that, like the Zune, nobody's going to want to steal it.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Don't forget the cost of having it overhauled. Especially if your diving with it. I've had mine overhauled twice and it's $3000-$5000 every 10 years.
Why not? They should be able to melt it down and extract the gold. No jewelry is made from pure gold.
Just got to say that having an extension of your phone on your arm is a great move and goes waaay back (as a concept) ref: Dick Tracey. I'm still waiting for the full implementation of this as Dick's watch didn't need a phone (or charging).
Unfortunately it doesn't work as a standalone item which is a mistake. It should pair with all phones and OS as well.
So if I'm interested in this - I'll have to buy an iPhone. I really don't want to do that.
So congrats to Apple for V 1.0 - it's a step in the right direction.
Don't be apathetic. Procrastinate!
What does a $200 heart rate monitor do that a dollar store watch, paper and pen wont do?
What does a smartphone do that a laptop tethered through a featured phone wont do?
Where does a car take you around town that a horse could not?
If you want to peek at a text message or a reminder during a meeting, would you rather look at your watch or awkwardly dig your phone out of your pocket? That alone will be worth the price for some.
Speaking of text messages, phone theft has dropped as kill switches have become commonplace. But if you're in a "bad" neighborhood at night, would you rather discretely check your watch for a text, or whip out your $700 smartphone?
If you live in Seattle and like to bike, would you like to be able to throw your phone into a plastic bag in a backpack in case it rains, yet still be able to answer a call?
That's what I could think of. I'm sure there's other people with better imaginations that could think of more ways a smartwatch paired with a smartphone will be more convenient than just the phone.
As much margin as jewelry, and yet will be churned like a phone!
I am very pleased to be a shareholder.
Still no SDK for the Apple TV? What a missed opportunity that is, and easily two years overdue. If it had apps that anyone could develop, it would be the ONLY STB device of its kind by now.
For a year or two, when the battery dies and it goes obsolete. good thing you paid $10k for it.
A high pixel density LCD screen and low-power CPU & graphics display takes at least as much technology to manufacture as precision gears.
Some people would rather buy what they fucking want. And if that means the difference between having a large screen phone and not having one, guess which option they'll chose?
i haven't had that issue. only once in 5 years when the drown seal was worn out and cost 400$ my dad had it done twice in the past 20. so you can tack on ~100 or less a year in maintenance costs...
(disclaimer, we are good friends with a rolex certified watch smith)
'...if only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.'
Apple has had a replacement battery program since before the iPhone. What's stopping them from having a watch upgrade program? If you can afford to throw $10k at a watch, you can afford to spend a few hundred bucks to get your Gold iWatch 1.0 upgraded to the Gold iWatch 4S.
Keep the plated band, upgrade the computer. No big whoop.
And the Rolex, Tag Heuer or Timex wont fucking 'check your email or use maps to figure out where you are', Hateboi. Nor will they let you discretely check messages or notifications in meetings, nor take calls on a rainy bike rides while your smartphone stays safe in a watertight bag.
If you don't want an iWatch....don't fucking buy one. Zombie Jobs isn't holding a gun to your head.
No it's not "solid gold", it's mixed with ceramics to make it harder http://www.businessinsider.com...
Try and sell that to your local pawn shop as gold see what they offer you.
FWIW, I think the apple stuff is basically the same as Magic Gold (from Hublot). Unfortunately, the Magic Gold version is relatively new so there isn't much of a resale market on it yet...
Apple Watch: Accurate within 50ms of UTC.
I'm glad they fixed this... it was really bothering me to have my watch by out of sync with UTC by more than 50ms.
18 hour battery life in a typical day.
Here on earth, the typical day is 24 hours.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
Before go comparing brand names maybe realise that brands come with different quality products too.
My Casio is now 15 years old. It cost a tad over $150 when I got it. It has a very tough scratch resistant glass and the movement was made entirely in Japan with only the case coming from China. Many brand name products are like that. They have quality parts produced one place and the cheap stuff no one cares about then comes from China or Thailand.
As for keeping impeccable time, sorry but no. Mechanical watches are known for a lot of things, but these days they are quite poor at keeping time. I'd wager that a $50 mickey mouse watch from Disney Land keeps better time than your officially certified chronometer. That is the one main downside of a completely mechanical movement. In terms of accuracy it is woefully obsolete to the point where chronograph certification for quartz movements actually has a specification that is 2 orders of magnitude more stringent than that of its mechanical counterparts, otherwise you'd just write chronograph on everything.
To a new gadget. It's not a watch, glasses, tablet, laptop, tv,
It's actually new! and not improved!
I didn't catch the Apple announcement - but I wonder how the Apple Watch compares to the Pebble Time that's doing huge $$$ on Kickstarter right now?
From what I can see:
* Pebble is *way* cheaper.
* Pebble has a 7 day battery life (kinda beats 18 hours!)
* Pebble works with both iOS and Android, so if you ever want to change your phone, you won't have to change your watch.
* Pebble allows anyone to develop & ship apps without a fee.
* Both scheduled to ship about the same time.
I'm sure there is more to it than this than that...but why on earth would I buy the Apple watch?
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Hey, I was very happy with my Rollex. Made in China, and sold in Mexico for $20. That thing lasted me months. :)
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
Heh, their "comfort zone" is funny. They clearly haven't seen what summer weather is like in the southern US. I guess iStuff users are suppose to turn off their devices to go outside.
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Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
I can't spend that much, but it goes with my wife's white dress...
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
See, this is a perfect demonstration of clueless, shortsighted ignorance or stupidity. I will illuminate:
Seven and earlier years ago, I purchased DVDs of some content I wished to enjoy, or to address a need, such as training or education, or a facet of my business. I spent the usual DVD prices, and I put the DVDs in my library, to be enjoyed when I so choose, and where they remain. This is what is known as a good investment, because in fact, I can still enjoy them. This is because the manufacturers of Bluray and so forth have seen to it that compatibility was, and remains, assured. In fact, a DVD played on modern gear tends to benefit further from advances made in the interim, such as scaling and the availability of digital video at the consumer level. 480p sound familiar? It should.
Compare: Seven and earlier years ago, I purchased various PPC software to enjoy or address a need, such as training or education or a facet of my business. I spent a great deal more than I did on the DVDs. Many times over. Can this software still be kept running on modern hardware? Yes, of course, and no. Technically, it's no problem. The PPC emulation Apple had purchased the rights to is still technically viable. And, like DVDs, that software now runs faster under emulation than it originally did (as of about 2008, referencing emulation running under 10.6.8 on a 8 core, 3 GHz machine) -- tech has been able to boost that investment's value. So where are we today? Apple, in it's "wisdom", in harmony with the mindless sycophancy of the clueless like yourself, decreed that because PPC software is "old", it is valueless. The thing is, the only reason it is "valueless" is because Apple made it valueless. But it indeed has become valueless. And that is Apple's fault, and it was entirely the wrong thing to do. Because I, as a person reasonably savvy about the value of money, am well aware I took a barbed arrow in the wallet from Apple. You, being ignorant, continue to remain unaware of exactly what happened.
What you, and Apple are telling us is that the hundreds or thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars we spent has suddenly dropped to zero value -- and you're doing so without either a compelling technical reason, or a compelling financial one. I get the message. The message is:
The Apple platform is unstable, undependable, and a poor place to invest time, money and energy in software. Many Apple users, such as yourself, are so stupid and/or ignorant they don't understand the value of their money, and so are doomed to spend it poorly. Apple has your number. They don't have mine.
Later, when you're not either living in your parents cellar and/or in the mindset you developed while there, you may come to understand that money invested in things that become utterly unusable is money very, very poorly invested. You will learn that those who turn your investments into $0 propositions are not your friends, and are not people / companies whom you should admire or continue to do business with. Because they are out to fuck you, and fuck you they have.
I hope I used small enough words for you.
Paraphrasing someone from /. past, Apple devices are like buying a ford Ford Focus, for the price of a BMW and you're convinced you've got a Ferrari.
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Apple's marketing machine has somehow convinced you that their product is worth $500 more... and competitors are flimsy knock-offs.
See, that would seem to be a cogent point, if I'd never gotten my hands on the flimsy knock-offs we're talking about. The thing is, I have: If you pick up any of those wannabe Macs from the Dells and Acers of the world by a corner, they FLEX. When I say flimsy, I mean that quite literally.
-jcr
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Who wants a watch that only works with an iPhone?
Duh, iPhone users :D
If you don't like the iPhone 7 will you really ditch your $1k smart watch just so you can switch to a better phone?
Just to interject politics where they don't belong, you're saying "If you like your iPhone, you can keep your iPhone?"
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Grow up, smarten up, and learn to live like an intelligent human being intead of some ignorant ass racist
I agree with your sentiment yet nothing in his post implies race. There is a move by some to have "illegal" classified as a pejorative. It's a legal status, nothing more; Unless you're projecting your bias.
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Neither can iOS devices, so far. Hatebois like to whine about "walled gardens", but there aren't malware scanners for iPhones or iPads, as they're no need for them.
Better not be a Fandroid - after two years updates are spotty, compared to four years for iOS 8.
And how many companies are still supporting 9 year old smartphones?
I think the biggest difference between a Rolex and an iWatch is obsolescence. A 50 year old Rolex is still a nice watch. A one year old iWatch (when the new version comes out) is an ugly paperweight.
Fancy watches are jewelry. Jewelry doesn't become obsolete in 2 years.
Actually, those "fancy watches" (generally speaking, those which are mechanical and have no batteries) have been obsolete since the seventies. A cheap quartz watch keeps better time than the very best mechanical watches. That doesn't seem to stop people from dropping tens of thousands of dollars on long-obsolete mechanical watches.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
I own several mechanical watches. They need to be completely disassembled, ultrasonically cleaned, and re-assembled (with fresh lubrication). About every five years, as it turns out.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
Except Apple is not a watch brand, so they cannot expect to be able to charge what Rolex or Breitling can.
You're right. And they don't. Gold Rolex watches are quite a bit more. At least double, if not triple, what the Apple Edition watch runs.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
Yeah, except that if I buy a Breitling, with a battery change and lack of abuse it will still work exactly as good in 30 years as it does today.
If you bought a Breitling with a battery (and are somehow proud of that) then you are by definition not a "watch guy".
Also, mechanical watches need to be completely disassembled, ultrasonically cleaned, and re-assembled and re-lubed, approximately every five (or so) years.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
In 10 years any old smartwatch from 2015 will be next to useless/worthless. That's not to say they won't be useful now, just like a phone; but it's not an heirloom.
Yes. And mechanical watches have been obsolete since the 1970s. Yet people still buy them.
What was your point again?
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
But the Rolex won't be obsolete in a year.
Right. Because it was obsolete before it was ever made. Mechanical watches (and there are worthy Rolexes that are quartz) have been obsolete since the 1970s.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
Not really, the Submariner design hasn't really changed at all in it's lifetime.
The classic designs never really go out of style.
Personally, I find the Submariner (and most Rolex watches) to be egregiously ugly. You call it classic, I call it hideous.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
No it's not "solid gold", it's mixed with ceramics to make it harder. Try and sell that to your local pawn shop as gold see what they offer you.
18k gold means that it is 75% gold. In fact, pretty much all gold used in jewelry is 18k or less. Gold for everyday wear is typically mixed with a number of other metals to create an alloy that wears better (i.e. harder). The fact that Apple has chosen different materials does not mean that it is not 18k gold.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
Reminds me of the Great Leap Forward.
Wrong equation: may be apple has different thinking, it doesn't want you to calculate life span of of watch but your life span - $599 with diabetes/heart app to add a year to your own life with the watch. Would you pay $599 every two years to increase an year of your own life (or to decrease obesity, live healthier)? Most people would. Apple watch is not a mechanical watch, you never know what equations will be applicable
And this can be done by any number of watchmakers who have been plying their trade for over 100 years, and will still be doing so in another 100. Good luck getting parts for your iToy in even 10 years time...
Except the vendor no longer supports your device after a few years and stops releasing updates, then apps are no longer supported and stop working, and parts become so scarce that they cost more than a new device. Yeah, just KEEP DOING THAT.
Typically in those undead films, it's the living holding a gun to the head of zombies. Just sayin' :)
To me it's not the long day that's the problem, it's that I've not had a single device ever that's hit it's advertised battery life in practice. Doesn't matter if it's Samsung, Apple, Dell, Microsoft or whoever else, I've never seen a battery last as long as it should and that's because such timings are given based on perfect situations - if you're in perfect isolation where there's no wireless noise, and the temperature is exact then you can hit it, but in the real world where there's wireless signals everywhere and where devices have to constantly decipher signals to see if it's meant for them the batteries just end up failing well before they should. This coupled with the fact such timings are based on "average useage" which is normally an arbitrary figure that doens't represent real useage and advertised battery life is normally a fairly useless metric.
So even if an 18 hour day was as much as I do, I'm skeptical that it'll last that long in practice - if past battery experience is anything to go by you'll probably get like 14 hours out the box, and then after a year or two be lucky to get more than 10 hours out of it.
Nowadays when I buy phones and such I try and get something that offers near enough double the battery life I actually need in practice or buy a spare battery if I can and need to.
I wont buy a smart watch until they can advertise something around the 32 - 48 hours battery life mark. I suspect I'll be waiting a while, but I'm sure I'll live.
A casio has more practical value at measuring time than any Rolex. All clocks today use quartz crystals internally because they are much better than mechanical gears and so on.
I have a Rolex I won at a sport competition(it was the price along a check). I never use it in my life. Guess what I use? A casio. Way more useful and you can throw it to the sea and buy a new one or 20 if you need(useful for managing a team, you standardize buying the same model to all the team members).
A Rolex provides for me negative value. If I go to Brazil or Argentina they could kidnap me or my partners or family members because they smell money. In some places there, they will cut your hand for taking your watch if they need to.
If nobody knows you, a Rolex is not going to project status because people will think your Rolex is fake, like most of the Rolex out there are. Most people does not know how tho differentiate the original from the copy today.
If you are already famous , you don't need a Rolex.
For me, it projects stupidity or ignorance. I see it a lot in people that does not know what to do with money(young sport stars), and are led to believe it is a good investment by scam artists.
They will be lucky if it preserves their value when they need it.
WTH Why am I losing my time writing this? I never do it on slashdot.The comment goes out of the scale in non sense.
So the watch battery lasts all day, but your iPhone doesn't.....Hmmmmm. Good luck with that.
What are you talking about? I have a 6 plus that I use all day and only charge at night, and I have yet to see the battery dip below 85%. Most of the time it doesn't go below 90%. Most iPhones will easily go a day or longer without charging.
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That I'd agree with... I'm sure the battery is replaceable (I'd hope)
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
I guess it depends, in my case, I got a Ferrari for the price of a Ford focus (MBP :)
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
I'd give the watch a 2 year lifespan, personally, no more than that. It's a first gen product, after all, and improvements are bound to occur soon afterwards.
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
Typical lithium ion cells have a lifetime of around 500 cycles. This thing claims to last 18 hours of "typical" use, so probably less in reality but it's say 18 for argument's sake. If you charge it once per day the battery will be consumed (80% capacity remaining) in under 18 months. That tallies with heavy user's experiences of iPods and various phones.
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So the original argument is "OMG the iPhone 7 sucks, I'm screwed because I bought an Apple Watch!" to which I argue that if the iPhone 7 sucks, just keep using the 6 or 6+ you've already got.
You then extrapolate out that every iPhone ever after is also going to suck? Is there any evidence AT ALL to warrant that? And by the way, once a decision to stay with a particular phone has been reached, it clearly is set in concrete and can never be re-decided, can it?
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And this can be done by any number of watchmakers who have been plying their trade for over 100 years, and will still be doing so in another 100. Good luck getting parts for your iToy in even 10 years time...
Goodness, the hate is strong in this one.
Let it flow through you. It makes you stronger.
Seriously, you're going with that as an argument?
It's as if you think technology exists in some separate reality from... well, anything that allows you to make a case against Apple, I guess.
I don't know a whole lot about luxury watches, so forgive the mistake about the battery. I know there are "automatic" watches as well as ones that you still use the crown to wind, but was unaware that was what the super high end was about.
Also, I'm sure that having it cleaned every 5 years is still orders of magnitude cheaper than COMPLETELY REPLACING IT EVERY TWO.
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It isn't a good idea to completely deplete a lithium-ion battery on a regular basis. Keeping its charge above 25% makes makes an 18-hour battery a 13.5-hour battery, which means it must be charged 1.8 times a day, unless you charge it overnight while you sleep.
Still, its battery life is a step back from conventional watches. If you're going to invent a new mousetrap, you should try to make it at least as good as the old one in every way--no regressions.
You don't think Apple are quoting the usable life of the battery?
That buffer zone is already included in the battery's charge controller. When it says "0%" it isn't really at 0%.
As much technology perhaps. But high end watches are much more labor intensive to manufacture. Many of the better watches are assembled largely, or even completely, by hand. And they are assembled by skilled craftsmen. It can take years of training to learn how to assemble a high end watch like a Rolex or Patek Philippe. So the cost of manufacture, and hence, the cost of the watch is higher.
I don't think your math checks out. Being very generous and knocking $1k off for the electronics, $9k of gold is almost eight ounces, as I write this.
Yo dawg, I heard you like the Ackermann function, so OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD
The 13" Macbook Air is also 27% larger than the Surface Pro 3 (in area) and yet many people compared the two. That's not that much considering we are talking about an area. You only need about 14% increase in each dimension to get a 30% larger area.
Anything less that 24 hours battery life means you have to plug it in twice in a 24-hour period. Which means feeding it twice in the same day.
Only if it's a shitty watch. I have a Zodiac that was made in the 70s that still works perfectly to this day. It's not once ever been disassembled, ultrasonically cleaned or relubed.
Nope. The very best watches all recommend approximately the same service regimen. The fact that you have an old watch that still runs does not in fact mean that it doesn't need to be cleaned -- it means you are not taking good care of it.
Cars will run without oil for a while, too. Doesn't mean that cars don't need oil.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
And this can be done by any number of watchmakers who have been plying their trade for over 100 years, and will still be doing so in another 100. Good luck getting parts for your iToy in even 10 years time...
You might be surprised to find out that owners of mechanical watches are lately having a bit of trouble finding qualified watchmakers to service their watches. This isn't uniformly true, some cities are better represented than others with appropriately skilled people. But they're also finding it difficult to get parts for in-house mechanisms (i.e. very custom) from a few years back, which is awfully reminiscent of the problem you're pointing out in tech.
Mechanical watches were, after all, one of the original consumer tech products.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
Except Apple is not a watch brand, so they cannot expect to be able to charge what Rolex or Breitling can.
So you admit that the only reason that Rolex or Breitling can charge their ridiculous prices is "branding", eh?
Plus who wants a watch that has to be charged twice a day?
So, do you live on a planet with a 36-hour day, or are you a cyborg that requires no sleep? For the rest of us meatsacks, 24 - 18 = 6; and if you are like most humans on the planet earth, 6 hours sleep minimum is barely sustainable for more than a few days in a row.
So, what was your point again, hater?
I don't know a whole lot about luxury watches, so forgive the mistake about the battery.
But if you (by your own admission) don't know much about luxury watches, then why spout off about the comparison between the Edition watch and luxury watches?
Oh, right. This is slashdot. Smart people have this blind spot about what they actually know vs. what they think they're qualified to speak about.
I know there are "automatic" watches as well as ones that you still use the crown to wind, but was unaware that was what the super high end was about.
As a rule, there are no quartz (battery) watches in the stratosphere of luxury watches. As a general rule, there are no luxury watches worth talking about below the $5000 mark, though that is obviously very subjective. Gold versions of Rolex and Breitling start in the several tens of thousands range.
Also, I'm sure that having it cleaned every 5 years is still orders of magnitude cheaper than COMPLETELY REPLACING IT EVERY TWO.
Well, there's the problem of finding a qualified watchmaker, which is becoming increasingly difficult because most of the watchmakers are old and generally succumbing to the effects of age. And then there's the problem of finding replacement parts for in-house mechanisms, which (surprise!) obey the same laws of scarcity seen in long-obsolete tech components.
So, to summarize: you don't really know much about watches, your comparison is riddled with unintended problems, and you should at least consider not spouting off in anger about that which you don't know, lest someone call you on it.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
First bitches
No, those are the ones who are pre-ordering this junk.
While I agree that the new MacBook is not my cup of Kool-Aid, it is likely being marketed for three reasons:
1. To satisfy the market segment that now perceives the MacBook Air as "too big and heavy" (rolls eyes).
2. As a marketing test, to see if the public is really ready to give up terrestrial ports in favor of portablility. 3. Possibly as an answer to the Surface Pro 3 and the Lenovo Yogas of the world.
Personally, I would rather have seen an alternate Thunderbolt 2 connector (longer and thinner) with an included "hydra" cable (or "mini-dock" dongle) with a Mag-Safe Power connector, 2 USBs, a Full-Size TB, and a MiniDisplayPort. But that's just me...
I smell rats.
What kind of lube are they using that it can't be solvent flushed and re-lubed without disassemble? I could see removing the face and finished parts. Also 5 year service life, babied? Are they still using a 'traditional lubrication'?
I'm guessing the fancy watch market is like audiophiles. They like to spend money and brag on it. Lubed with pure unicorn lard.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Their function is not to tell time. Their function is to distinguish class for the classless, same as a $80 t shirt and $500 jeans. None of these things is 'obsolete'.
Many people have observed this behavior, decided 'rich people are stupid' and attempted apples current strategy. Most fail. What they don't see is the number of blow jobs (real and figurative) given at Rolex shops. Unless apple hires some 'head geniuses' (the ones with dirty knees) for it's stores in high end locations their efforts are futile.
Marketing to the rich is a specialty. Marketing to rich trailer trash is voodoo. There is no telling where they will jump next. They are all surrounded by opportunists already.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
My last overhaul included all new seals, replacement of a worn band, and a few other parts because of water leakage....$5500. If your wearing it every day you should get it done at least every 10 yrs. If your diving then every 5.
Regular watches have already been obsolete for 10-15 years.
The one with the larger screen which also happens to have the corresponding larger battery?
Powered hub and $80 breakout adapter to use the hub.
$20, not $80.
How long do you intend to repeat stupid statements? Pretty much everything about a phone is a compromise with trade-offs. If you want a phone that will last several days without recharging, I'm sure there's plenty out there, so you can buy one. It won't do as much as my iPhone, but you may not care about that stuff. I'm happy charging daily (although it will last for two days), and I like my phone.
That's one of the benefits of an active market: each of us can get what best suits us.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
As one who works for a company that machines both aluminum and steel, the aluminum is a lot easier to work with, and causes fewer problems.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Then you have shitty mills and tooling.
Even the apple fanboys I know aren't interested in their overpriced android watch knock off. Can't wait to see who'll be the biggest sucker, the one to buy the gold one.
I think you replied to the wrong person. My argument is that you can't just keep you're phone because they become obsolete quite quickly, so you are forced to update every couple of years.
I see you didn't actually address the point. Consumer Electronics are a different market segment from luxury jewellery for the reasons I implied. Apple is about to learn this the hard way.
I agree. I own a 45 year old Rolex and I've never touched it and it still works fine. It was an inheritance which sits in a box for the next inheritance. I also own a 20 year fake Tag I bought for $10 in 1995 and the same applies.
I see you didn't actually address the point. Consumer Electronics are a different market segment from luxury jewellery for the reasons I implied. Apple is about to learn this the hard way.
I find that when certain keywords like "iToy", "fanbois", "sheeple", "Crapple" and so on are in the post, addressing the point with factual rebuttals tends to be futile.
That train has already sailed.
For the record on this one, the idea that there will be a thriving industry for the repair of niche mechanical timepieces in 100 years but not one for niche electronics is not a point that can be easily answered, but a decade from now? Are you kidding?
Oh there'll be a niche market, that is my point. The Swiss watch market (ie real watches) is somewhere around 30mil units per year. If Apple get anywhere close to that I'll eat my hat. The iWatch is a toy, because it is mostly gimmick value, it needs to be charged daily which is a ridiculous concept for a watch, and it will probably be obsolete in less than 10 years. I'm sorry if this offends you.
Nope. We monitor those things carefully.
The fact is that steel is harder than aluminum. At a very minimum, that means that milling steel takes longer than milling aluminum, and so we're tying up an expensive machine significantly longer for steel.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Who wants a watch that only works with an iPhone? If you don't like the iPhone 7 will you really ditch your $1k smart watch just so you can switch to a better phone?
Or you will keep your old iPhone for a year longer. This isn't an Android phone that obsoletes every 30 seconds, when a new Android phone comes out. ,
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
You mean the one that doesn't exist yet? No large screen phone is going to last 'several days' without charging, thus making them 'pieces of shit', according to you.
So, back to square one: either people buy what's available with today's technology, or they listen to you and do without. Cuz reasons.
You mean the one that doesn't exist yet? No large screen phone is going to last 'several days' without charging, thus making them 'pieces of shit', according to you.
The definitive "big phone" line is the Galaxy Note series. I have an aging Note II and I still get over 2 days on it. The Droid Maxx was marketed specifically as having a huge fucking battery that gave you days of usage. Pretty much any large phone that isn't the Nexus 6 or iPhone 6 Plus has a similarly capable battery.
You're a retard.