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Ask GM's Exec. Chief Engineer For Electric Vehicles Pam Fletcher a Question

Pam Fletcher was propulsion system chief engineer on the first Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid and is now executive chief engineer for electrified vehicles at GM. A racing enthusiast, Pam developed racing engines for GM , McLaren, and NASCAR's Dale Earnhardt Sr.. Her current role has her running a multi-national department overseeing electrified vehicles company-wide. Fletcher has agreed to take a moment out of her busy day to answer any questions you might have. As usual, ask as many as you'd like, but please, one per post.

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  1. State of the art of batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Are we doomed to use Ni-Cd batteries forever? Are there any interesting developments in rechargable batteries that you're excited about?

    1. Re:State of the art of batteries by SecurityTheatre · · Score: 2

      Tesla has been using a 7,104 cell Lithium Ion pack for years.

    2. Re:State of the art of batteries by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Tesla has been using a 7,104 cell Lithium Ion pack for years.

      The Chevy Volt also uses a lithium ion battery.

  2. Opinions on the Koenigsseg Regera? by gcnaddict · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Marketing Literature - Top Gear writeup

    Asking because it seems they've used electric motors in a more direct capacity to allow them to ditch a traditional gearbox altogether, and since electric vehicles and supercars are both points of experience for you, you're in a unique position to share insight on where this kind of technology might end up.

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  3. Long range outlook: batteries or fuel cells? by berchca · · Score: 2

    Right now, based on current technology, American companies are developing battery-powered electric cars, while Japanese are introducing those based on fuel cells. Over the long range, say in ten or twenty years, do you see one technology overtaking the other?

    1. Re:Long range outlook: batteries or fuel cells? by SecurityTheatre · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Fuel cells are awful.

      End of story.

      Hydrogen is a volatile gas that is EXTREMELY difficult to store and transport, making it very impractical.

      Fuel cells aren't terribly efficient.

      They're equally bulky and weighty as modern batteries, considering the hydrogen storage.

      They have to be replaced more often (because hydrogen is very hard on materials).

      Not a fan..

    2. Re:Long range outlook: batteries or fuel cells? by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 2

      One of the very few electric vehicles sold in the US, including the first one that was sold in the US (as a daily driver, not a 20mph neighborhood car) was the Nissan Leaf, a Japanese car company.

      I've been driving a Leaf for 2 years and still love it. Huge credit to Nissan for taking a chance on a pure EV, and for moving production to Tennessee.

      Somehow, GM managed to make their upcoming Bolt even goofier looking than the Leaf. But if they can get the range up to 200 miles and can keep it under $38k, I will probably get one.

    3. Re:Long range outlook: batteries or fuel cells? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      Hydrogen is a volatile gas that is EXTREMELY difficult to store and transport, making it very impractical.

      That may not always be true with things like "micro-porous polymer" beads/fibers - see: New hydrogen storage material could be added directly to fuel tanks:

      When the hydrides are trapped inside the polymers, the hydrogen can be rapidly desorbed (released) at low pressures and ambient temperatures. According to Cella Energy, the micro-porous polymers can store as much hydrogen for a given weight as high-pressure tanks.

      The micro-beads, which also encapsulate hydrides, are especially interesting for vehicular applications. The micro-beads resemble a fine powder and could potentially be poured and pumped like a fluid into vehicles’ fuel tanks.

      The company explains that the encapsulated hydrogen could be safely used in either an internal combustion engine or fuel cell. Once the hydrogen is desorbed from a bead, the empty bead is stored in a separate lightweight plastic tank in the vehicle. When the vehicle needs to be refueled, the waste beads are removed from the vehicle and taken elsewhere to be rehydrided and recycled. Unlike hydrogen stored in high-pressure cylinders, new micro-beads could be refueled into vehicles just like vehicles today are refueled with gasoline.

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  4. Charging at every Gas Station. by jzarling · · Score: 2

    Has GM looked into developing a partnership with any of the major gas station chains (Exxon/Mobil/BP) to provide recharging services?
    If a quick charger was as ubiquitous as a gas pump I think it would go along way to defeating range anxiety when traveling long distances.

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    1. Re:Charging at every Gas Station. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Has GM looked into developing a partnership with any of the major gas station chains (Exxon/Mobil/BP) to provide recharging services?

      Charging a car is nothing like fueling it with gasoline. The chargers can be located anywhere you can put a parking meter, so there is no reason to have dedicated "stations" like we do with gas. It would make far more sense for GM to partner with McDonalds, KFC, Walmart, restaurants, and shopping malls. That way people have something to do while their car recharges.

      Where I live (San Jose, California) my local Walmart, and Costco, already have EV charging stations. I have never seen one at a gas station, and hopefully never will. They don't belong there.

    2. Re:Charging at every Gas Station. by show+me+altoids · · Score: 2

      Has GM looked into developing a partnership with any of the major gas station chains (Exxon/Mobil/BP) to provide recharging services? If a quick charger was as ubiquitous as a gas pump I think it would go along way to defeating range anxiety when traveling long distances.

      Yes, putting very high voltage/current sources which a consumer has to connect and disconnect to a car in close proximity to volatile gasoline is such a grand idea.

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  5. Why no "skateboard" designs? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    the GM "skateboard" platform design was the most innovative system I have ever seen from GM, why are we not seeing the engineering that was put into that used for new car designs?

    I understand the siren song of just putting electrics in a standard ICE car, but all the advances from the Skateboard would put GM ahead of Tesla if they were put into use.

    Why has GM ignored the platform they spent so much money researching?

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    1. Re:Why no "skateboard" designs? by rahvin112 · · Score: 2

      Because GM can never really innovate they are simply too large. They've come up with a LOT of really cool ideas that they totally submarine because they made more money selling gas guzzling SUV's.

      They actually sold the first electric car, developed the whole platform, leased them out then refused to sell them to the people that wanted to buy them and crushed all the cars when the leases were up. The GM culture is next quarters profits, not innovating the next revolution in the automotive world. Toyota is in the same game these days along with almost everyone else. It wasn't until Tesla started to eat the high end luxury market that BMW and Mercedes were forced to acknowledge electric.

      Tesla is going to drag the automotive market into the 21st century kicking and screaming. When they start selling 100K plus cars a year GM and Toyota and the others will suddenly start spending money and dragging stuff they invented 20 years ago out of the closet. But they aren't going to do it willingly and Musk isn't someone they can just smear into oblivion like they usually do with innovators.

    2. Re:Why no "skateboard" designs? by rahvin112 · · Score: 2

      Part of it is their tie to dealers IMO. When you create a car like the Tesla Model S you've eliminated all maintenance and destroyed the entire service division of your dealers. People seem to forget, with an electric car you will never change the oil or coolant, replace a belt or change a starter motor, you won't need to have 90% of the maintenance activity that a gas car needs.

      About the only maintenance item on a Tesla is new tires and windshield wipers.

  6. Racing as a testbed by OzPeter · · Score: 2

    Many times we have been told that developments in motor racing eventually trickle down to consumer products. So my question is where is the electric racing happening, and are improvements being made in this manner? In asking this I'd like to point out the Formula 1 teams that are now using super caps as a part of that series foray into hybrid technologies - which is a technology that could easily be applied to consumer hybrids right now.

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    1. Re:Racing as a testbed by OzPeter · · Score: 2

      Formula E?

      OK .. looks interesting, but then I looked into the regulations:

      ePrix
      Races will begin by standing start and last for approximately one hour with drivers making one mandatory pit stop in order to change cars. Power will be restricted to 'race mode' (150kw / 202.5bhp) but for those drivers with FanBoost, the power output can be temporarily increased to 180kw / 243bhp for 5 secs per car

      FanBoost
      Fans can give their favourite driver an extra speed boost by voting for them prior to the race. The three drivers with the most votes will each receive a 5-second ‘power boost’ per car per driver, temporarily increasing their car’s power from 150kw to 180kw. Just click here to cast your vote. You can change your mind as many times as you want until voting closes a short time before the start of the race.

      Seeing that made me cringe big time. What ever happened to man and machine simply doing battle head to head?

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  7. Tesla and Elon by SecurityTheatre · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Elon Musk sounded less than impressed by the electric cars from other companies like Toyota, Mercedes and GM.

    What do you think of the Tesla as a competitor? Do you feel like you are playing catch-up? What things can GM bring to the table that Tesla cannot?

    What about batteries? Have you considered that you may end up needing to source batteries from Tesla themselves in the future? Are there plans for gaining access to suppliers in this field as there will likely be a persistent shortage of good batteries for cars in the future?

    1. Re:Tesla and Elon by kamapuaa · · Score: 2

      Holy crap, and the GM of Toyota probably doesn't go on record as being a fan of Ford's latest offerings, either.

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  8. GM skateboard by sichbo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Whatever happened to that rockin' skateboard concept which had a swappable body. The Volt has been a bit of a disappointment in terms of design aesthetics and forward thinking, compared to GM's early electric/hydrogen concept. Do you think the skateboard idea will ever see the light of day, perhaps as a Ni-Cd battery car?

  9. What's the deal with the Spark EV? by danbert8 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Pardon the Seinfeld title... The Spark seems like a good candidate for an electric car. Small, lightweight, city car. Indeed there is an electric version! But only for sale in CA and OR... What's up with that? I am in the market for a tiny city car and I am already considering a Spark. I would totally get the EV version if it was for sale in GA. There are electric cars coming out the wazoo in the area I am in, but no Spark EV for me? Seems like a missed opportunity especially considering the marketing potential of the Sparky Spark.

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  10. Battery tech on 2500 and 3500 pickups? by mlts · · Score: 3, Interesting

    GM has tried a decent hybrid system on their 1500 Silverados.

    Where a hybrid system would be very usable, would be on the heavier duty pickups like the 3/4 and one ton models:

    First, electric motors provide their best torque at near 0 RPM, which is quite useful.

    Second, on a rural jobsite, if a PSW inverter is available, this would allow the truck to completely replace a generator in the field. Just plug the welder, saw, or other tools into that and use the onboard battery for that, perhaps running the IC engine to keep everything topped off.

    Third, for farms, it might be economical to have the trucks charge and run on batteries, as it saves on fuel.

    My question: Would we see this technology being used on the heavier duty series of pickups?

  11. Tesla's open patents by istartedi · · Score: 2

    Has Tesla's decision to open its patents had any impact on your work?

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  12. Idea for an option. by random+coward · · Score: 2

    I like the way the volt fixes range anxiety by allowing serial hybrid/generation. That makes it the only electric vehicle for sale that can easily be taken on long travel. I wonder if some people don't get into one because the electric only range is a bit longer than their commute. So the question is: Could GM have an option for the volt to add battery storage in the trunk to boost electric range? Then the owner could remove it for long trips but it would boost the range for normal commute and driving. You could possibly get the same range as a Tesla like this, but the advantage is that when traveling you could remove it and use the trunk space for suitcases and rely on the gas engine for the travel, whereas the Tesla would have to add a motor and generator to get similar travel performance, and that would limit its space/weight.

  13. Putting the Voltec system into other vehicles... by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 2

    I'm an extremely happy Volt owner! It is by far the best car I've ever owned.

    Question #1. What is Chevy's plans to extend the Voltec system into other models such as the Trax and/or the Equinox? I ask because my wife's current vehicle is an AWD SUV and I'd like to replace it with a like vehicle that's a EREV but is still AWD and has cargo room. I know the 2016 Volt has a square battery pack and thus a 5th seat, I can only assume that's to make it fit better in other chassis?

    Question #2. Why does Chevy not promote the Volt?!? You never see a Chevy commercial that has the Volt in it. They had the "low battery" commercial a couple of years ago and then nothing. When I go places I have people constantly coming up and asking "A volt? What kind of car is this? Chevy? Wow, this thing's awesome! I had no idea..." My wife's joked I should become some sort of Chevy Volt Ambassador!

    Thanks!

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  14. Re:PHEV vs BEVx by fgiraldeau · · Score: 2

    IMHO, if fast charging is ubiquitous, then a gas engine is not necessary at all.

  15. How can I get a SparkEV outside California? by random+coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been intrigued by the Spark EV since it hit Car and Drivers list of best cars under $30k, but It seems only available in very select markets. How can I get one in the southeast US?

  16. Ultracapacitors for Storage? by paratek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ms. Fletcher,

    Does GM have any plans to leverage ultracapacitors for primary energy storage in place of batteries?

    Thank you!

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  17. Re:Platform Design Question by codealot · · Score: 2

    My hunch is that they won't because there is no advantage to be gained in doing so.

  18. Charger Size by Ted+Cabeen · · Score: 2

    To date, all GM Electric cars have only supported 3.3kW Level 2 charging. Do you think 3.3kW charging plus CCS quick charging is sufficient for longer-range vehicles that might be used for road trips, like the forthcoming Bolt?

  19. Re:The General Motors EV1 by taiwanjohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly. As Elon has noted many times, when you have to forcefully recall your product from unwilling customers who then go on to hold a candle-light vigil for the destruction of their cars, the "market" is not a barrier to your product... you're doing all this because you want to kill it, pure and simple.

    Perhaps the market was small and upscale, but it existed, and it was strong. GM could have pursued development in this space, but it vehemently decided not to. Tesla just picked up that residual demand and built on it.

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  20. Has Diesel ever been considered in the Volt? by guzzirider · · Score: 2

    I always wondered why the volt was not diesel-electric, like a submarine.
    Is meeting the EPA NOx to cost prohibitive?
    I would think that the engine would have less load variance than a conventional car.
    (The power plant could be run in some optimized range for charging the battery and fro hi-speed use)

  21. Why was the Volt not a pure series hybrid? by BenFenner · · Score: 2

    Pam Fletcher, as an automotive enthusiast (who is looking forward to our future of electric cars) in order to keep my brain from filling up completely, I don't keep track of all of the intricate differences between hybrid cars.
    After learning the intricacies of each system, I tend to lump them into three categories for my convenience (plug-in capability being a sub-category itself).

    Weak parallel hybrids; those with very minimal battery storage and no all-electric mode like the 1st gen Ford Escape.
    Strong parallel hybrids; those with large battery capacity, all-electric mode, but the internal combustion engine still drives the wheels often like the Toyota Prius, Honda Insight, etc.
    Series hybrids; AC Propulsion T-Zero with trailer generator (or any all-electric with a generator on a trailer for that matter), Chevy Volt, etc.

    So I've lumped the Chevy Volt in the series hybrid group, although technically it can provide some power to the wheels mechanically via the internal combustion engine. With the Volt being so close to a pure series hybrid, I'd like to know why the leap to a pure series hybrid wasn't made completely? There must be one or a few solid reasons. Was it a serendipitous capability due to the packaging? What is necessary to satisfy focus group complaints? Was it to ensure a completely dead battery or charging system wouldn't side-line the vehicle? What was the thinking there?

    Cheers!

  22. When will Volt tech be used for an SUV? by Anonymous+Meoward · · Score: 2
    I really like the technology behind the Volt. But I'm very disappointed that it's a sedan. If it had a little extra cargo room (like, say, a Honda CR-V), I would have bought one yesterday.

    Alas, the only car that comes close to fitting my requirements (cargo space, chargeable + hybrid tech) is the Audi A3 e-tron, which isn't available in the States yet (and it's really only a hatchback). The only other (distant) contender IMO is the Lexus RX450h, which, while roomy enough, isn't chargeable, gets not-too-stellar mileage, and is priced absurdly.

    Those of us who need a commuter car with extra space that has the option (not the requirement, the option) of running on battery power for a decent stretch have been left behind. The Volt's technology would be awesome in a small SUV form factor.

    Why hasn't anyone bothered to look into this?

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  23. Economics of the Chevy Bolt by organgtool · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How is the upcoming Chevy Bolt going to get 200 miles per charge with a base price of $30,000? I ask because one of the biggest costs of the car is the batteries and not even Tesla will be able to reach that price point until they have their GigaPlant up and running?