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Islamic State Doxes US Soldiers, Airmen, Calls On Supporters To Kill Them
An anonymous reader writes in with this story about the latest weapon used by ISIS: doxing. "Middle East terrorist organization Islamic State (ISIS) has called on its followers take the fight to 100 members of the United States military residing in the US. A group calling itself the 'Islamic State Hacking Division' has posted names, addresses, and photographs of soldiers, sailors, and airmen online, asking its 'brothers residing in America' to murder them, according to Reuters. Although the posting purports to come from the 'Hacking Division,' US Department of Defense officials say that none of their systems appear to have been breached by the group. Instead, the personal data was almost certainly culled from publicly available sources, a DoD official told the New York Times on the condition of anonymity."
The military needs to post a few names and addresses themselves. They'll look like regular houses but they'll actually be guard posts. If anyone shows up and starts shooting, they end up dead.
Targeting those with the ability to shoot back seems like a less than cunning plan.
... against any future use of the term "doxes" in this or any other context. Happily, my last fatwah, condemning all who say things like, "I spent the last couple of hours updating all my Linux boxen" has proven very successful.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
If you have the means to kill a bunch of american soldiers in America, you don't telegraph that's what you're going to do before you do it. You attack unannounced, and then claim credit.
Does ISIS really expect us to believe that they have sleeper cells in America waiting for orders to do this stuff?
This is trolling. Their only real chance of anything happening is an American crazy person decides to carry it out because the voices told them to.
Boko Haram said they were going to rape and pillage America with their insurgents too. They've accomplished nothing.
the personal data was almost certainly culled from publicly available sources
IS has called for the deaths of:
Sgt Bilko
Captain John Carter
Colonel Jack O'Neil
Colonel Jack O'Neill
Major Dad
General Hospital
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And General Protection Fault was also rumoured
ISIS isn't about the moral high ground. "Actually, it's about ethics in religious fanaticism" is just a convenient cover story for a territory/power grab and angry young men running around causing violent chaos in general.
But doxing of other activists would really have a chilling effect in the political speech. Hope agencies take doxing seriously and if any of the perps are within jurisdiction, hope they catch them and punish them.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
You've forgotten Colonel Sanders and General Tso, both responsible for the death of innumerable chickens.
Don't be silly - incitement to murder is still illegal. Your link about a public pedophile registry case has NOTHING to do with this.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
So, something has to be punishment to be a bad idea? It can't just be stupid and irresponsible? Yeah, that sounds like the kind of technicality baiting our government operates under. But that's where your correctness ends, down to the letter. I'll just say that outright.
I hear Major Malfunction has gone into hiding.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
Our supposedly omnipotent spy agency should be able to track down where these posts are coming from. Their silence on this matter is deafening.
We heard he likes to stay at "The Suite and Sour" which apparently is a very luxurious high rise....
Meanwhile we are left Wonton more information...
Once someone loses his capacity to feel remorse for the consequences of his actions, horrors that would deter an ordinary person from doing something only feed his sense of self-importance and self-righteousness. This is true across the board no matter what your religion or ideology; the only thing that stops any of us from becoming monsters is our awareness of impending remorse.
Take the US drone strike programs in the Middle East. For the most part I feel these are a less destructive than the other military options open to us, and I think the technologies and practices used have become more accurate and precise over the years. But still there are mistakes in intelligence, human and technical errors, and plain bad luck which means despite our best efforts innocent people are being killed. And I feel remorse, even shame over that. Nobody likes feeling those things, but it's important for us to preserve our ability to feel them. Without them we would no longer weigh the negative consequences of our actions, and any rational restraint on our actions would be gone.
If you want a portrait of what that looks like, look at ISIS. They are fighting a brutal but futile campaign; even without the west Muslims themselves would refuse to be united under them. But the irrational futility of their actions only feeds their fanaticism.
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How does that even work is the list millions of names long? It is not like any of this is highly guarded secret. If someone in america wants ti kill soldiers they would not need some random internet list to find any.
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
I found General Failure... not sure why he was reading my hard drive.
And the right thought Occupy was the biggest threat to civilization possible.
Notice they're not dumb enough to go after Corporal Punishment.
Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
The military takes a hard stand on Operations Security (OPSEC), with annual refresher training for every member. There are numerous rules in place regarding use of personal information and posters everwhere reminding everyone of good OPSEC practices. That said, you can't tell a soldier he can't have a Facebook page, and it wouldn't be enforceable anyway.
Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
God help them if they target Commander Shepard.
Considering they doxed ISIS fighters, does anyone find it surprising they're returning the favour?
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These so-called 'islamic state' assholes? They need to die. Every last one of them. No negotiations, no trials, no 'explanations' -- just fucking KILL THEM ALL, male, female, I don't fucking care, just KILL THEM. Children below a certain age can be de-programmed and put with families that will care for them and raise them to be rational, responsible, sane human beings -- but every last adult that is involved with this uber-asshole 'organization'? They need to be killed.
This isn't even about religion. It's about a power-vacuum that was created in the Middle East, which allowed these assholes to swoop in with their ultra-extremist bullshit and start setting up shop. These assholes are like a socio-economic version of the Black Plague, and like any other epidemic, it needs to be erradicated, completely.
Of course I can't ignore the fact that there will always be violent assholes in the world that will use religion of any kind as an excuse to be violent assholes on a large scale, and as unpopular an opinion as it apparently is in the world, I just wish that humans in general would fucking grow out of this apparently genetic need for a god or gods of any kind. All it seems to do is open the door for more atrocities, more ignorance (much of it willful ignorance), more backsliding, and in general more bullshit. I make jokes sometimes about how 'XYZ is the reason that alien civilizations won't contact us openly', but I'm only half kidding oftimes when I say it -- as is the case with this subject: If there are in fact starfaring alien civilizations out there that have been observing us, they must look at this sort of bullshit (and the Inquisition, and the Salem witch trials, and who knows how many other atrocities that have been committed over the centuries) and feel nothing but disgust and maybe pity for our poor race, that we're so afflicted by such a major flaw in our cognitive process.
Not posted as Anonymous Coward, because I'm not one. Come and get me, assholes. We, the sane, rational people of the world, we reject you and your fucking ultra-extremist bullshit. You claim to be doing the work of Allah? I CALL BULLSHIT ON THAT; you're just a bunch of power-hungry FRAUDS who enjoy killing people, and we will see you all DEAD for your crimes against humanity. It's time for this shit to stop.
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Governments create their own laws and rules on enforcing those laws. of course it can be illegal with them doing it specifically.
Try it on your own though, go to a bar and try to talk the people with short haircuts into killing someone for you. I will wait the several years it will likely take for you to tell me how it worked out.
If your enemy is in an unassailable position you have two choices; infiltrate and kill them in their sleep or attack something outside their fortress which they must come out to defend. Though I would think that the most obvious targets for the infiltration would be the drone 'pilots' families, people they do business with, people who make them burgers, people they owe money to, people who owe them money.
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you really hold an organization like ISIS and the US Govt on the same moral equivalency?
i don't care how much you hate the USA, you fail the ability of coherent thought if you think the USA and ISIS are morally the same
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
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Whoops! Four of our helicopters are missing! Who do you think could possibly have them? A common Hollywood byline in a few of their spy flicks was *knowing who to trust*. ...we have people everywhere. Am I right?
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look at ISIS. They are fighting a brutal but futile campaign; even without the west Muslims themselves would refuse to be united under them. But the irrational futility of their actions only feeds their fanaticism.
How is their campaign "futile"? If it weren't for the west's (mainly US's) military support, both direct (drone-bombing) and indirect (helping the Iraqi army and other forces with arms and training), they'd be a lot more successful than they are now. As it stands, they control a huge amount of territory, they have tens of thousands of armed soldiers, they enforce laws, they collect taxes and provide services to people living under their control; how is this "futile"? They don't need to unite all Muslims; no one's done that since Mohammed died. They just need to successfully erect their government and control territory and have popular support from the people under their control, and they've done that. Yeah, it's a horrible government, but so are the governments of North Korea and Myanmar.
AFAIK, the CIA never lost assassination powers, except for heads of state. That was basically a "gentleman's agreement" anyway; they didn't want more state agents trying to assassinate our President (like JFK), so they stopped assassinating other heads of state.
ISIS leaders probably don't really count in this policy. And the US routinely drone-bombs high-value targets in other countries; they've bombed lots of terrorist leaders in Yemen.
Colonel Panic, on the other hand, just stopped.
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you really hold an organization like ISIS and the US Govt on the same moral equivalency?
i don't care how much you hate the USA, you fail the ability of coherent thought if you think the USA and ISIS are morally the same
I wasn't claiming moral equivalence, just behavioral equivalence. The USA is run by a completely amoral group of people for whom human life has little value. I'll say the same about ISIS. Since I'm talking about amoral people its hardly a matter of 'moral equivalence'. Its not like I'm giving it a number and saying they are both at the same level of morality. They don't even have NO morality. They see themselves as operating at a meta-level above morality.
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
You know, taken to the extreme, that becomes a difficult position to defend.
A group of people who want to force their beliefs on the world, and who are willing to cause civilian deaths if it achieves their ends, who don't care about the rights of anybody not in their number ... and then there's ISIS.
ISIS pretty much act like barbarians. Then again, killing civilians indiscriminately with drone strikes as "collateral damage" is pretty barbaric as well.
America are no angels here, and their security apparatus is undermining the rights and liberties of everyone on the planet.
I find it hard to accept the notion that there is no moral equivalency for the worst behavior.
I think ISIS are ideological crazy bastards. And then I look a the American right, and see equally crazy bastards who want the world to reflect their religion and are more than willing to force their beliefs on power through force.
And then I'm forced to conclude they're really both crazy and delusional, and view their own cause as somehow being different.
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If your enemy is in an unassailable position you have two choices; infiltrate and kill them in their sleep or attack something outside their fortress which they must come out to defend. Though I would think that the most obvious targets for the infiltration would be the drone 'pilots' families, people they do business with, people who make them burgers, people they owe money to, people who owe them money.
True. But the "obvious" targets illustrate my point about the depraved mind not being able to comprehend unintended consequences. These targets only work if the enemy reacts to attacking them exactly the way you hope he will. If he instead acts the opposite way, if he becomes more aggressive and indiscriminate in his drone attacks, that will only make you to double-down on your impotent strategy.
You can see this in Japan's strategy in WW2. In retrospect most of Japan's strategic aims in WW2 seem irrational. Their attempts to secure oil militarily only resulted in oil which would otherwise have been sold to them as a neutral or friendly power being cut off. And it was entirely predictable. In fact Japan itself predicted this, so they attacked Pearl Harbor in part on the assumption that a devastating attack would destroy the American public's support for a war to deny Indonesian oil to the empire -- a notion that could only be entertained by someone who was seriously self-deluded. It was a classic case of deranged men mistaking ruthlessness for realism.
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OK, now can we admit its not a "religion of peace"?
(quick, mod him down, he said something we don't like! Plus all religions are equally evil - Presbyterians are just itchin to shop off some heads! Plus, wascally wepubwicans!)
Your argument is based on a lie. Show me any evidence that the US is killing civilians "indiscriminately" much less deliberately.
you don't have to like the USA, but if you look at the leadership of the USA, and you look at the leadership of ISIS, and you see the same kind of people, you aren't announcing an understanding of the world, you are merely announcing that you have a horribly stunted social defect, and no grasp on moral reasoning
the usa has done horrible horrible things in the world. but to examine their motivations, actions, targets, etc., and see the same as ISIS on those measures, you're a moron on this topic. there's no other nicer way to say it. and it's not a baseless insult to call you that. it's an objective appraisal of the quality of the words you have written and the topic at hand. you're a socially stunted individual who should stop talking about a topic you lack the social abilities to understand
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Yeah, well call me when John Boehner starts burning people alive and posting it to Youtube.
Try it on your own though, go to a bar and try to talk the people with short haircuts into killing someone for you. I will wait the several years it will likely take for you to tell me how it worked out.
Do it in a mosque to people with long beards and it would possibly be covered up and you'd be apologized for.
PC mush heads still don't get it.
And you forgot Colonel Sandurz, his cunning alter-ego.
Oh, my fucking God! The Muslims killed Captain Crunch . . . and Snap, Crackle and Pop . . . and the Trix Rabbit! Things are getting serious now! C'mon Americans! Radical Muslims are easy to spot. Their women wear head to toe burkas. You are armed to the teeth . . . you just need to shoot at the burkas!
Otherwise, Muslims will take out your breakfast precious bodily fluids!
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General Failure and Major Malfunction were reading my hard drive, looking for Private Porn. They all stopped when they ran into a Colonel Panic.
Independentely of ISIS, and about the drone killing in that region : Look, the US can pretend whatever it wants, but basically it is murdering people around in the hope that the survivor change their way or that nobody take place of the murdered guy. You know the definition of that ? State sponsored terrorism. There is no reason to drone kill a lot of people which have been killed lately. If they had done a bombing attack in the US that would be a reason, but none of those which were killed lately had never been in the US even. basically the US kill people for people from which the sole crime could be at most in some case to make a conspiracy against the US (something which is not a death penalty case even in the US) and in many case does not even get that legal level. And that crime (if any) was not even DONE in the US, and don't get em started on "declaring" any victim above 18 year old as being an accomplice not matter whther they were really accomplice or not.
basically the US has become a terrorist state, and the american do not even realize that.
And now we have reached that state, the people targeted only have one choice in that assymetric war : abandon their ideology, or target back guerrilla style. The US be ready to continue murdering people for a verrrry long time, because they are only seeding for the next generations of terrorists, those which lost a mother/father/brother/sister/uncle to drone killing.
As horrible as it sounds, we probably should do what we do when people massacre each other in other countries : nothing at all.
Really? Weddings? That's where you draw the line?
Killing people for bringing blankets and beds to kids, that's cool. Killing journalists, that's cool. Terrorizing locals, that's cool. Attacking schools, that's fine? Weddings none of that shit. ... that's it ... huh. To each his own, I guess.
Someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool.
Bleh, ISIS is the 'contras' of the middle east, keeping out the commies. They receive their weapons (billions of dollars worth, 500 mil was just declared "unaccounted for") at drop off points in Libya, Yemen, Iraq, etc. And then the lapdog press dutifully reports that they have been 'raided'. Why would anybody believe there is anything 'moral' in this business from either side? It's a business! And business is damn good right now. Don't be so deluded into believing the US is any more innocent than anybody.
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Targeting those with the ability to shoot back seems like a less than cunning plan.
Unless the addresses are in jurisdictions that heavily restrict the private possession of firearms.
And the right thought Occupy was the biggest threat to civilization possible.
Actually the right thought Occupy was a gift. It discredited the calls for strong reform and heavy punishment, giving such calls a wacko fringe taint.
So ISIS wants to kill US soldiers? Wow! Holy shit! Clearly this is a surprising development!
Various towns around here must not have gotten the OPSEC memo. For years they have flown banners on main street with local service members names and faces.
Personally I think it is a nice tribute and hope it continues. These service members are at a greater driving their car on the highway than from ISIS. Lets not get all hysterical, which is what ISIS wants.
The difference between ISIS and the USA, is that when the USA tortures or murders innocent people, it forces news organizations to sue under the FOIA for pictographic or video evidence. When ISIS does that stuff, it posts the evidence to youtube. Either way, the actions are despicable, ISIS is just less media savvy (the US having learned from Viet Nam the importance of limiting what gets published).
What changed under Obama? Nothing Good
This is most certainly NOTprotected speech. It is a specific and immediate threat to harm someone. If Isis had posted something like 'death to soldiers' this might be protected because while it is a threat it is not specific or immediate.
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... not of us, but of them. ISIS is sort of like an extremely virulent infection. It is really bad if you get it, but it kills so fast that the patient dies before the infection has time to spread much, and it has EVERYBODY working to exterminate it. At the moment, all of the batshit crazy teenagers filled with Islamic Angst are heading ISIS-ward to be indoctrinated and (one supposes) employed eventually as suicide bombers. The only problem is, it requires a special kind of crazy to become a suicide bomber or fatwah-murderer, and the world has a finite supply of that kind of crazy. The other problem is that collecting all of the nut-cases in one place makes it comparatively easy to (eventually) hit them with the moral equivalent of an antibiotic.
The only thing that I can see ISIS accomplishing is -- eventually -- convincing the moderate Islamic world that it is better to be an atheist (or at worst, any other religionist) than to be Muslim. Pakistan made a major play in that direction yesterday when the woman was beaten and then burned to death for allegedly burning the Quran. It publicly stated that it was wrong for the public to have killed this woman for burning the Quran -- only it (the government) got to prosecute and then murder the woman for burning the Quran. It never occurred to them that it might be absolutely insane to murder somebody, ever, for burning a book that you bought, paid for, and own. Especially a violent, psychotic, hate-filled document like the Quran. Or a violent, psychotic, hate-filled document like the Bible (either part). Or any religious text, violent, psychotic, and hate-filled or not. Or a copy of Dirac's Quantum Mechanics (although there it might arguably be an act of criminal stupidity).
I'm tempted to go out and burn a Quran myself out of sheer sympathy and in protest and in support of freedom of speech and freedom of (and from!) religion. But first I'd have to buy a copy of the Quran, and who wants to reward the idiots who publish it? So I just bring up copies of the Skeptics Annotated Quran on my browser and then -- wait for it -- close the browser window. Just like that, I make my current copy of the Quran disappear, even worse than just burning it. Over and over again. I may even write a script to copy an online version of it and overwrite it repeatedly with random numbers. Some people are so very, very, 17th century clueless about information.
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Most of the USA does not agree with the American religious right, which is what you are referencing. Most of ISIS does not disagree with ISIS.
What the religious right wants, they don't necessarily get. And that's because there are more opinions than assholes in USA.
You pointed out less than 50 million people, as if they represent the rest of the 400 million population, said yeah that's basically the same. So you didn't even come close to making even a semi-coherent point.
Most of the USA does not agree with the American religious right, which is what you are referencing. Most of ISIS does not disagree with ISIS.
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter, as most of the USA has apparently failed to prevent their government from ruining and invading other poeple's countries. So yeah, that's basically the same
Says who, Zillow? Do you have some real estate sales to cite since, I don't know, yesterday? Or whenever the hell the news actually hit? Wednesday I assume. Are you a realtor?
You made a claim. Based on what? Blind ass retarded assumption?
How many Americans, who are actually going to buy a house any time soon, is this going to affect? Or are they going to be more influenced by 1) What they can afford 2) Where ISIS is, and isn't 3) Commute times 4) Distance from schools if applicable
I heard you say "Something happened and everyone in the world is both knowledgeable and a pussy." Is that what you meant?
The only way you will stop this madness and actually have middle east peace - is turn the ENTIRE middle east into a giant glass factory! PERIOD! Leave NO WHERE for the radicals to go - everywhere will be done and over.
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And General DeBillity. He's just...sick!
They're accusing General Tso of being chicken.
When was ISIS ever about maintaining the moral high ground? (OTOH, the US doesn't have any grounds for complaint, as it has been at least equally vile.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
but rape is anonymous and cowardly, dear anonymous coward
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
"Then again, killing civilians indiscriminately with drone strikes as "collateral damage" is pretty barbaric as well."
You are an idiot. The entire purpose of drone strikes is to carry out very targeted killings. If we didn't care about collateral damage and didn't mind indiscriminately killing people, expensive drones would not be necessary. All we'd need is some far cheaper cluster bombs. Maybe some napalm.
Right, so you only kill 25 people in addition to who you're looking for ... as opposed to 200 more. But you still don't care if it's innocent people.
That totally makes it civilized. Sure.
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Most of the USA does not agree with the American religious right, which is what you are referencing. Most of ISIS does not disagree with ISIS.
Actually most of ISIS disagrees with ISIS much more strongly, since most of them are coerced into joining at gunpoint.
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Trying to minimize civilian casualties when attacking your target is much more civilized than trying to maximize them, yes. Neither is good except in the most desperate circumstances, but that doesn't mean there isn't a huge huge difference.
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If the US were deliberately targeting civilians the dead would not number in the hundreds or even thousands but in the millions. A lot of the reason for the slow progress against ISIS is that ISIS has gotten so good at hiding among civilian populations and as a result the US and it's allies have to sift through and try to surgically remove them. Mistakes are made and innocents die but if not for the attempt at pinpoint strikes an incredible body count would arise. I disagree with what the US is doing as I've basically become an isolationist in the last couple of decades. The aim is to be proactive so as to prevent a bad situation from becoming a nightmare down the road. Militant Islam is a much bigger threat to Europe than the US and I'd like to see how it plays out against the moral snobbery of the European hypocrisy. I think I'd enjoy watching as the crazies finally force France and other enlightened nations to make hard choices about how to handle an insurgent assault against their freedom. Yes, I'd love to see all those hypocrites respond to charlie hebdo style attacks on a weekly basis. I wonder if they'd still have their outrage against collateral damage.
He's just going to sue them.
He missed it entirely. The religious right mostly wants to end abortion and defend prayer in schools. A hideous agenda to the liberals but hardly the same as cutting off the heads of all the atheists. The bat shit crazy motherfuckers in ISIS want to kill everyone who doesn't believe like they do. Even Al Qaeda thinks they're fucking nuts.
Join or die. But what about all the idiots that travel there to join? Are they just bored?
And then I'm forced to conclude they're really both crazy and delusional, and view their own cause as somehow being different.
One big differentiator that you seemed to have overlooked is that under the American system you are allowed to say what you said. You also get to live a life of relative peace and prosperity unlike many other in human civilisation. So yeah America is far from perfect, but comparing it to ISIS is a little bit of a stretch.
It's a war. Getting caught up in a war is bad and usually terminal. Look at all those cities we firebombed in Germany in WWII. Millions of innocent German citizens died just so we could off Hitler. Not to mention what happened to Japan. My own state, Georgia, was on the losing side in the US civil war and had a Union army rape, pillage and burn a swath over 200 miles long that left a scar that lasted generations. General Sherman, the man in command of that army stated "War is hell." This war against ISIS is so tame by comparison that it's ridiculous to compare them. In more recent history the "ethnic cleansing" in the former Yugoslavia makes an interesting comparison. Yes, as bad as it is it could be much, much worse.
My impeccably logical rational friend, loosen up a bit :-)
Don't forget: location, location, location :-) Speaking of pussiness: if you buy one of those addresses, and happen to look a bit like the guy who lived there, and have three small kids, "courage" is not in the context of your bravery, more like not exposing your children to avoidable risk. If you didn't know, US real estate prices in these - probably - nice areas are impacted by new neighbors who are not of the majority race.
Also, proper notification of these guys by government agencies, and other preparations may also amount to a few millions. US officials probably don't want the type of revenge terrorism that killed most of a journal's staff in France a couple of months ago.
I really want to agree with you, but the School of the Americas shows that the US has actively attempted to do some seriously sketchy, fucked-up shit to as many people it didn't like as possible. Really fucked-up shit. Horrific stuff. And that's just one thing. The list of democracies overthrown, peoples punished, and sloppy assassinations is overwhelming.
Why fight then in the east when you can ki kill them and their families at home? Islam has no morals.
Actually Islamic morals are the opposite of those held by decent human beings. Beheading someone because they say something you don't like is seen as a virtue. If a woman is raped then she is prosecuted and the rapist goes free. Forcing people with different beliefs to live as second class citizens is seen as a worthy activity. Lying to promote Muslims above others is an imperative.
you really hold an organization like ISIS and the US Govt on the same moral equivalency?
i don't care how much you hate the USA, you fail the ability of coherent thought if you think the USA and ISIS are morally the same
You're right, at least ISIS stand by what they believe in.
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Drone strikes set people on fire if they aren't close enough to be completely incinerated. They're called "Hellfire" missiles for a reason.
You're right that they don't tend to end up on YouTube though. Better that they end up on CNN instead.
Obviously you care about collateral damage, not because the USA is such a bunch of caring hippies but because the purpose of drone strikes is to exercise power. You cannot exercise power over dead people. You have to instead kill anyone who does something against your will, or is suspected of doing so, or just someone who got in the way to serve as a lesson to others. If you see the purpose of drone strikes as minimising casualties in a conventional war then you don't understand what drone strikes are for or why the USA uses them. Their purpose is power.
Yeah, well call me when John Boehner starts burning people alive and posting it to Youtube.
There was no youtube but don't pretend americans/christains are above burning people to death. Relatively recently too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...
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Most of the USA does not agree with the American religious right, which is what you are referencing. Most of ISIS does not disagree with ISIS.
Nice, most USAians don't agree with the religious right but most of the religious right do. Most muslims don't tend to agree with ISIS either. Here your equivalents are UASians - Muslims and USA religious right - ISIS. If you want to tar them all with the same brush you're starting from very shakey grounds.
You can almost guarantee if they thought they could get away with it (at least some of) the religious right there(USA) would seriously consider carving themselves out some land, through force of arms most likely because the land is already claimed. Then try and expand that and take in all peoples under their brand of religion to 'save the souls of mankind' and kill everyone who disagrees. Just like ISIS are doing. just like happened in the crusades, just as any religion taken to the extreme is want to do.
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Just because you sanitized it a little doesn't make it right. Drones are a little more targeted but still kill unacceptably high numbers of civilians. Civilians you are not even at war with.
Drone strikes are what motivate a lot of the people fighting against you.
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What is with fuckwit Americans wanting to use the nuclear arsenal that they've spent so much money on, and thinking there wouldn't be devastating consequences for America?
The rest of you must be awfully embarrassed.
They are indeed not comparable. The U.S. government has murdered hundreds of thousands of Arab and Muslim civilians over the past few decades. ISIS? A relative handful.
Nonaggression works!
"Relatively recent" is 1916. Nobody responsible for that is still alive. You falsely equate atrocities a century ago with ongoing atrocities today.
100 years is relatively recent. I could pull out Salem and the witch trials where people were burnt alive by the hundreds, or before that in Europe by the church etc, Don't get all pissy because it happened. No where in the world is a bastion of righteousness. not even America, as much as you may want it. You want recent atrocities? How about the gunning down and flat out authorised murder of citizens by the police because they 'feel threatened'. Two big cases have been worldwide news recently but that's the tip of the iceberg. I bet those causes just as much pain and suffering to family and friends. Yeah, being burned alive is a horrible, brutal, painful way to go but that doesn't lessen any others.
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As much as I'd like my government to stop pissing away Trillions of dollars playing world police, if you feel they're basically the same I'd love it if ISIS moved into your neighborhood and you got your ignorant throat slit. Although I figure a pussy like you would convert quick and join the caliphate.
As opposed to what? Hellfire missiles from a Predator drone? A group of "freedom fighters" on your government's payroll?
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"Then again, killing civilians indiscriminately with drone strikes as "collateral damage" is pretty barbaric as well."
You are an idiot. The entire purpose of drone strikes is to carry out very targeted killings. If we didn't care about collateral damage and didn't mind indiscriminately killing people, expensive drones would not be necessary. All we'd need is some far cheaper cluster bombs. Maybe some napalm.
The main reason for using a single targeted munition is not having to carpet bomb an entire area with multiple aircraft which is a lot more expensive and risky for your guys. The fact you get fewer additional casualties or damage is just a happy bonus.
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Just because they use it more doesn't make them more savvy. The burning video did them more harm than good.
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Just because they use it more doesn't make them more savvy. The burning video did them more harm than good.
I'm not sure what harm you think it caused them but it certainly helped them achieve their goals. It gained huge attention to their cause and doubtlessly encouraged many other people to join them. They want to fight the US so antagonising them is not harmful, so by their distorted morality it did them more good and no harm.
500 mil was just declared "unaccounted for"
what a moron
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It turned alot of people in the area who were on the fence about then to thinking that's a bit much, it also upped the air strikes from regional powers that are a little too close for comfort. It didn't cause an uprising or anywhere near, i suppose paying off the west so much was worth more to them.
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You're not looking at the 'leadership' of the USA. You're looking at the TV screen. Does a suit and tie mean that much? I guess if Capt. Kangaroo said he was president, you would believe it. Why do you insist there is any 'morality' in the war business?? You ever read the propaganda? Both sides are claiming to be under attack. But the baldheads are more 'civilized', dropping their bombs while drinking champagne. *Tut tut, they are such savages, those people!*
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... you really invoke something that happened pre-WW2? why not just invoke gas chambers? it's more timely. we've also got you know
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racially motivated killings in the proximal part of the 20th century... but you had to go more than a century ago...
you're missing the point, it's not the way that they died, it's the glorification of their death. you list two cases as "atrocities" which is an arguable descriptor of police shootings... but at the very least, nobody is trumpeting them as the just and correct way that society should behave.
People are, at least I am, more appalled by the fact that a revenge execution is glorified.
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For over 500 years? The US has been around for much less than 300 years. I'm not going to argue with you about who started what. Basically I wish we'd left it all alone myself but, I'm pretty sure ISIS and the other jihadi groups have killed more of the muslim population in the middle east that the US. I can't begin to recount how many times I've heard "suicide bomber blows himself and 80 other people up, 2 US soldiers wounded," or some such over the last decade or so. It's incredible.
Jeez, I pulled out a well known public burning the fact there are plenty of other examples of worse more recent things just adds to my point, which was basically people can be really shitty to each other for all kinds of reasons all the time.
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That was a classic case of a glorified revenge killing. As for the police killings, when no charges are brought or disiplininary action taken the authority's are saying it is just and correct even though the majority of the population vocally disagree.
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So how does one get on this "list"? I have absolutely no problem with any hajis showing up on my doorstep, I'll gladly let them meet 72 virgins...or whatever is waiting for them...
"If stupid things work...then they are not stupid."
Frequently they're extremely gullible. And many of them are rebel teens who want to lash out. And many of them are just evil -- bound to be a few thousand of those per billion people. It would be interesting to see the age demographics -- how many 50 year olds move to Islamic State, compared to teenagers?
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100 years is relatively recent.
Last month is genuinely recent. That's when ISIS burned around 45 people. Then they stuck it on YouTube. They've also are in the process of committing genocide and allegedly selling human organs on the black market.
No where in the world is a bastion of righteousness.
What was the point of making that observation? I find it interesting how people are more concerned about a light case of hypocrisy in the US than a vile organization like ISIS. It's a pretty remarkable case of moral blindness.