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Thousands Visit Trinity Test Site For 70th Anniversary of First Atomic Blast
HughPickens.com writes The NYT reports that thousands of visitors converged Saturday on the Trinity Test Site in New Mexico where the first nuclear bomb was detonated nearly 70 years ago. Many posed for pictures near an obelisk marking the exact location where the bomb went off and were also able to see a steel shell that was created as a backup plan to keep plutonium from spreading during the explosion. "It brought a quick end to World War II, and it ushered in the atomic age," Erin Dorrance said. "So out here in the middle of nowhere New Mexico changed the world 70 years ago." Pete Rosada, a Marine Corps veteran, drove with another military veteran from San Diego to make the tour. Rosada said he previously visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese targets of atomic bombs during World War II after the test at the Trinity Site. "This completes the loop," said Rosado.
Tourists who joined a vehicle caravan out to the site at a school in Tularosa were greeted by demonstrators from the Tularosa Basin Downwinders who came to protest the 70th anniversary tour. The Downwinders is a grass-roots group that has set out to bring public awareness about the negative impacts of the detonation of the bomb. Henry Herrera was 11 years old when he got up to help his father with the car on that fateful July morning in 1945 and says the dust from the blast scattered all over Tularosa, remembering how his mother had to wash clothes twice that day due to the fallout dusting the family's clothes line. "I stop to think I'm one lucky, fortunate guy because I'm here and so many are dead," says Herrera. "Gobs of people from around here died and nobody knew what they died of, they just went to bed and never woke up." Albuquerque resident Gene Glasgow, 69, visited the Trinity Site for the first time with relatives from Arizona. Born and raised in New Mexico, he said he'd grown curious through talking to people who witnessed the explosion, including one man who was laying trap line in the mountains at the time. "He thought the end of the world had come."
Tourists who joined a vehicle caravan out to the site at a school in Tularosa were greeted by demonstrators from the Tularosa Basin Downwinders who came to protest the 70th anniversary tour. The Downwinders is a grass-roots group that has set out to bring public awareness about the negative impacts of the detonation of the bomb. Henry Herrera was 11 years old when he got up to help his father with the car on that fateful July morning in 1945 and says the dust from the blast scattered all over Tularosa, remembering how his mother had to wash clothes twice that day due to the fallout dusting the family's clothes line. "I stop to think I'm one lucky, fortunate guy because I'm here and so many are dead," says Herrera. "Gobs of people from around here died and nobody knew what they died of, they just went to bed and never woke up." Albuquerque resident Gene Glasgow, 69, visited the Trinity Site for the first time with relatives from Arizona. Born and raised in New Mexico, he said he'd grown curious through talking to people who witnessed the explosion, including one man who was laying trap line in the mountains at the time. "He thought the end of the world had come."
Hey, if you're gonna have a blast, make it an atomic blast!
Hey you guys! Remember back when we spread all that radioactive fallout all over your state? No one gave a shit about a little radioactivity, or asbestos, or rivers catching on fire, or whether you could actually live in the environment. Good times!
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Funny how your corporate masters and the politicians they bought are trying to go back how people lived 300 years ago.
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The Tularosa Basin Downwinders came to protest the 70th anniversary tour? Yet The Downwinders' aim is to bring public awareness about the negative impacts of the detonation of the bomb? Seems like an anniversary tour is a perfect opportunity for that. Why protest people who had nothing to do with the testing, and only have historic interest? Should we protest Civil War reenactors? I sympathize with their plight and don't approve of government misdeeds, but the Downwinders shame themselves.
Many posed for x-ray pictures near an obelisk marking the exact location where the bomb went off
Well certainly as far as European infantry platoon leader Paul Fussel is concerned!
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From TFA:
> An Army police vehicle led the caravan from Tularosa, passing the Tularosa Basin
> Downwinders protesting the alleged fallout from the atomic test.
What's 'alleged' about the fallout? Did I miss something?
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Bad things happen in war.
In a way, it's a good thing that people have luxury of forgetting that.
In a way, he was right.
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However, I have been to The National Museum of Nuclear Science & History in Albuquerque(where bugs bunny always goes). It is a nice museum, apparently on a tight budget, with many interesting planes. They usually have a good traveling exhibit.
109 East Place is a good book on the secret site in Los Alamos. It was so secret that all communication and travel when through 109 East Place in Santa Fe.
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Tourists who joined a vehicle caravan out to the site at a school in Tularosa were greeted by demonstrators from the Tularosa Basin Downwinders who came to protest the 70th anniversary tour. The Downwinders is a grass-roots group that has set out to bring public awareness about the negative impacts of the detonation of the bomb.
So what do these demonstraters hope to accomplish? Are they going to protest hard enough to prevent the test from happening in 1945?
How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
So typical, North Korea or USA oppressive regimes experiment on their own people.
Sorry I forgot.
Only in USA they blast their own people.
Only in USA state police is unloading ammunition at protesting workers.
Only in USA cops are in kindergartens.
Only in USA 99% of population is enslaved by oligarchs.
God have mercy.
So, 3000 years ago, rick landowners were actually lower middle-class guys getting their heads pounded into the sidewalk? That explains a lot.
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My Dad was a security guard in the Army at los Alamos and Trinity site. He said the radiation dropped off pretty quick after the blast. He helped build the fence around the site. He died of Parkinson's with no sign of cancer. Maybe he was just lucky but he came back okay.
rich land owner??? zimmerman lived in an apartment.
if that was an attempt at a joke it failed. If It was serious, it was stupid
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He's talking about social conservatives, who want life to return to a non-existent "golden age" when men did what Jesus said if they didn't want to go to hell and women did what they were told if they didn't want to run into another door.
They tend to coincide with a lot of rich industrialists, who believe we should go back to a simpler time when they could shoot union leaders and not have to worry about silly things like safety or disability insurance, or paying actual money to the workers.
Personally, I'd say he probably means 150 years rather than 300. 300 years ago, the north was full of religious extremists and in the south you were either a slave-owning plantation worker or a nobody.
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Hit "antics" since then appear, when it comes to actual friction, to be mostly a result of hanging out with exactly the wrong significant other (who has admitted fabricating things about his actions for attention). He'd have less trouble if he left her, for starters.
But the whole Trayvon Martin thing? Zimmerman didn't look for or cause the long series of neighborhood breakins that had him wondering who that unrecognized guy was out cutting through. He wasn't looking for the guy, he saw him while he was on his way out to run an errand. You remember that part, right? And his call to the police? And his stopping, and turning around to go back to his truck just like the police asked him to do before the doubling-back Martin jumped him, and started beating him? I know it's been a while, but the details are readily available.
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Head pounded into a sidewalk after calling in a dangerous/suspicious person, then following that dangerous person and cornering them in a blind alley. Zimmerman was hunting, and bagged himself one of the most dangerous game. A few scrapes come with the territory. He's lucky he had them, or the murder-1 would have stuck. When you kill all the witnesses, nobody seems to care that your story is contradictory (he contradicted the 911 tapes multiple times, among other inconsistencies). And why did he get out of his car to look for a street sign on a different street to tell the 911 operator where to find him after he hung up and help was already on the way? It's not like telling them the name of the wrong street would help anyway. Oh, and the head of the neighborhood watch getting "lost" one block from home on streets he patrols daily doesn't sound very likely. Especially in a gated community with only a few streets in the first place.
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He was stalking someone, and the person being stalked by an armed man feared for his life and tried to defend himself. The aggressor was Zimmerman.
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Historical documents indicate that Prince Konoye was already favoring ending the war in February due the on-going strategic bombing campaigns which were devastating the country and the Emperor was favoring ending the war after the "Meetinghouse" firebombings in March, but the military rejected US requests for unconditional surrender until after the A-bombs were dropped in August.
Fumimaro Konoe was a sheep among wolves, a diplomat who was effortlessly shoved aside whenever he presented the slightest obstacle to the warlords who controlled the Japanese army and navy.
Konoe resigned on 16 October 1941, one day after having recommended Prince Naruhiko Higashikuni to the Emperor as his successor. Two days later, Hirohito chose General Tojo as Prime Minister.
In February 1945, during the first private audience he had been allowed in three years he advised the Emperor to begin negotiations to end World War II. According to Grand Chamberlain Hisanori Fujita, Hirohito, still looking for a tennozan (a great victory), firmly rejected Konoe's recommendation.
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That's why you make sure to kill the witnesses. Maybe Zimmerman waived it at him trying to scare him off. You can't know he didn't know. Zimmerman hunted and killed him, ensuring he'll never testify against him.
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He was stalking someone
Really? Going to the grocery store is "stalking someone?" Please explain. He had never seen him before. Didn't know he existed. Just noticed something out of the ordinary while driving out of the neighborhood. Do you deliberately avert your eyes from everything and everyone around you as you drive near your home so that you won't get confused and think you might be a stalker? You have a really strange concept of "stalking."
In fact, if you want to explore stalking, consider who approached who right before the beating. Martin was walking back to his truck, having lost site of the person he was on the phone with the police about. Martin, who had more than enough time to get to where he was going, stopped, turned around, and walked all the way back to Zimmerman, whom he then attacked. THAT is a lot closer to "stalking," if you're looking for a case of it.
The aggressor was Zimmerman.
Really, what's the point of lying about it? What do you get out of it? What's your agenda? I'm really curious what makes people decide to twist things around like that. Who, in the audience here, do you think is so incredibly stupid that you think spinning that narrative is going to persuade them to ... what?
What IS it you're hoping people will think? That Martin was completely unable to control himself, and couldn't abide the thought of someone having called the cops in a neighborhood that was racking up lots of recent break-ins? He saw Zimmerman talking on the phone to the cops, and you think it's understandable that he would get almost all the way to where he was going (with NO Zimmerman in sight), and then double back to beat Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk?
What magical influence is it that you think Zimmerman had, at a distance with Martin long gone from his line of sight, that remotely controlled Martin, causing him to turn around and follow Zimmerman towards his truck, where he was headed? Was it pheromones? "Aggressive" telepathy? His after-shave? Really, be specific. The two were nowhere near each other when Martin to hurry back towards Zimmerman and dish out a beating.
armed man
What of it? The gun was nowhere in sight. Zimmerman never even reached for it until he was on his back getting beaten. You're saying that Martin somehow used his x-ray vision to see that the guy in the distance on the phone with the police had a small pistol hidden? Or are you trotting out that "armed man" bit as just another bit of trollishness in the service of whatever your agenda is. Again: what is your agenda, that you think it's well served by lying? Who do you think likes and respects that enough that it will somehow make them change their world view towards something you like better? Be specific.
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Right.... Myth repeated many times becomes truth.
This myth is plainly obsolete and no longer withstands criticism now that WW2 facts are freely available.
If we were really that concern about saving human lives, we should have exploded Little boy and Fat Man in the same desert, in the presence of enemy nation's, Japanese, military representative and allowed them to film.
Hell in 1945, several month ago, Tokyo has been fire bombed and there were more victims in Tokyo (a total more 200,000 people - 90,000 dead and 125,000 injured), than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. More casualties did not bring quick end, but less casualties brought quick end.... this is the perverted logic that is being repeated again and again.
This self-righteous JUSTIFICATION is plainly ridiculous. There is no and cannot be Justification or Rationalization.
The fact is that this WAS a new weapon, and US had a vague idea of the power and consequence of the weapon and the war was a GOOD justification to test the weapon on Japs.
The fact is that at that stage of the war both sides have been committing war crimes.
In a fictional scenario where, for example, Germany dropped a nuke during WW2 on London, they would have been tried for the crimes against humanity.
The fact is that the Victors are not tried. Not for Dresden (designated children refuge) bombing, not for passenger ship Wilhelm Gustloff (10,000 civilian sank), not for many other war crimes that were committed in the name of "victory"
cornering them in a blind alley
There was no blind alley, you're making that up.
And he wasn't "cornered," because he just kept walking towards his relative's house, while Zimmerman was headed the opposite way, back to his truck. So you're making that up, too.
Zimmerman was hunting
Yes, hunting groceries. At the grocery store, where he was headed.
he contradicted the 911 tapes multiple times
You mean, the sort of 911 tapes that NBC edited to change their entire context? Because that seems to be the sort of thing that has established your narrative, here.
And why did he get out of his car to look for a street sign on a different street to tell the 911 operator where to find him after he hung up and help was already on the way?
Because just like you, and me, and everyone else, it occurred to him after he got off the phone, that there might be more information needed.
It's not like telling them the name of the wrong street would help anyway
True. Cops much prefer to be told where to look for possible burglars via as much vague, imprecise blather as possible. They HATE it when you tell them things like which street you saw someone walking on, heading which direction, that sort of thing. Their jobs are much easier if you make it take as long as possible to figure out where someone is.
Oh, and the head of the neighborhood watch getting "lost" one block from home on streets he patrols daily doesn't sound very likely
It's a good thing he wasn't lost, then.
Especially in a gated community with only a few streets in the first place.
Yes, a gated community that had been seeing a rash of break-ins. Which is exactly why the possibility that the unfamiliar person hiding their face and cutting through the neighborhood at night inspires a call to the police, and an urge to give them as much info as possible. Because that gated community was becoming a regular shopping mall for one or more burglars.
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No nerd bucket list should be without the Nevada Test Site, which today is like a museum of the Cold War. It has control rooms with the largest CRT monitors ever made, whole test towns with houses, buildings, bridges, railroads and arrays of Fifties cars, all bent and blackened and melted by the earlist nuclear tests. You can see the ant-lion pits left by the era of underground testing. You can see the last blast hole drilled before the test ban treaty was signed, with the test array still dangling from the hoist cable that would have lowered it thousands of feet down to the blast point (A test array consisted of a warhead topped by up to 350' of test instrumentation, with an optical cable to send results to the surface. When the warhead detonated, the array sent back data in the microseconds before the instrumentation all vaporized.)
Your best chance to get a tour is to sign up with a group which has made a reservation.
There was no blind alley, you're making that up.
The blind alley was the walkway between Twin Trees and Retreat View Circle.
It's a good thing he wasn't lost, then.
So you are saying Zimmerman was lying? He stated he got out of the car after his 911 call to walk down an alley to get to another street to read the street sign because he didn't know where the was.
I'm thinking you don't have any idea what Zimmerman said.
Cops much prefer to be told where to look for possible burglars via as much vague, imprecise blather as possible. They HATE it when you tell them things like which street you saw someone walking on, heading which direction, that sort of thing. Their jobs are much easier if you make it take as long as possible to figure out where someone is.
So they like it when you hang up on them because they tell you to stay in your car, because you really want to go hunt some Nigger? Because that's what Zimmerman did. They told him to stay, and the police would call his cell when they got there. He didn't. He got out and hunted Nigger. Why?
You mean, the sort of 911 tapes that NBC edited to change their entire context? Because that seems to be the sort of thing that has established your narrative, here.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
What's wrong with that one there? Changed to make it look different? How? Go on, use a fact. You may have heard of them, even if you've never used one yourself.
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The blind alley was the walkway between Twin Trees and Retreat View Circle.
You're making it sound like an actual alley. You know, that you can get stuck in. We're talking about rows of buildings with gaps between them. Like the gap that Martin wandered off through. There was no "cornering," you're truly just fabricating that.
As for reading street signs: I know my way around all sorts of areas, including some spots I've driven and walked through for years. I'd never get "lost" in those areas, but if I wanted to be sure I was getting a street name right (for the police) on a corner where I don't go every day as a resident, I'd double check the street sign too. Don't even pretend that you routinely pass areas where you know you'd never get lost, but where you'd look at a street sign when wanting to be sure you had the right name for a talk with police.
So they like it when you hang up on them because they tell you to stay in your car, because you really want to go hunt some Nigger?
Really, what do you think you're going to accomplish putting words in somebody's mouth? Zimmerman never said that, and you know it. Your ongoing BS is starting to get embarassing. On the other hand, we DO have the witness who reported Martin making a racial slur. That's probably what's got you confused, right? Sort of like you're confused about his being told to stay in his car. The dispatcher told him no such thing, which you know. You're once again just making things up because you wish it were true.
They told him to stay, and the police would call his cell when they got there.
No, they said they didn't "need" him to follow Martin. Shortly afterwards (with Martin having continued to walk away, and gone from Zimmerman's view), Zimmerman was walking back to his truck. The only "hunting" going on at that point was Martin, a few minutes later, deciding to turn around, walk all the way back, and attacking Zimmerman.
I am curious where your race hatred comes from, and your desperate need for Martin not to have been the sort of person that his recent history before his attack, and the assault itself showed him to be. It's unfortunate he was raised that way, and that he was comfortable making the gamble that he could double back from his destination and beat someone's head against the pavement without consequence. But, that was his call. He had no need, at all, not to simply walk the extra few feet to the door he was headed to. But, to quote the witness talking to him, he had "cracker" on his mind, unlike the fantasy you're pitching, which is exactly backwards.
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So being punched to the ground and attacked, then pulling a gun to defend your self and shooting then is hunting?
Have you tried that against a bear in Alaska and seen what happens when you hunt that way?
Hiroshima might have been necessary as a show of US military might, but why launch take 2 on Nagasaki? Saying the atomic bombing-s (with an s) were necessary is a bit deceptive. These first generation nuclear weapons were really more weapons of fear than mass destruction. Nukes only earned their world-ending potential with the invention of ICBMs. Before that, it would have beeen a simple matter of launching fighter planes to shoot down the slow moving heavy bombers. Nagasaki was a totally unnecessary military experiment, practically a war atrocity.
Zimmerman never said that, and you know it.
So his racist rants caught on previous 911 calls didn't happen?
No, they said they didn't "need" him to follow Martin. Shortly afterwards (with Martin having continued to walk away, and gone from Zimmerman's view), Zimmerman was walking back to his truck.
Nope. He was in his car driving after him when told to not follow. He then got out and followed Martin. It was after he walked into the alley after Martin that the attack happened.
You are lecturing me on the events, and you don't seem to have even the basics right. Your account disagrees with Zimmerman. Why do you think Zimmerman is a liar?
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So being punched to the ground and attacked, then pulling a gun to defend your self and shooting then is hunting?
It is when you've expressed a desire to "take care of" (in the mob sense) something, then arm yourself, and track it, that's hunting, isn't it?
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Depending how dramatic the site is, the headline could read "Thousands Blown Away by Trinity Test Site For 70th Anniversary of First Atomic Blast."
So his racist rants caught on previous 911 calls didn't happen?
Oh, I get it now. You're figuring that time travel is playing a role in the event. I didn't realize you were allowing for that possibility in your fictional narrative. While we're at it, I suppose you'd like to include his volunteer time with black kids, including those in his own extended family? And of course since you consider a term he used in the past to be a sign of his obvious criminality, you are of course applying that same standard to Martin, who used a racial slur moments before he attacked Zimmerman, thus demonstrating Martin's much more up to date, on the spot racist ranting, combined with Martin's initiation of violence. Right? Right. Because you aren't a hypocrite. Right.
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Intent isn't time travel. He indicated an intent to "teach a lesson" and that Black people should be targeted. Then he did so. That shows intent. Martin didn't intend to be followed home from the store, then attack the armed aggressor following him. But Zimmerman intended to provoke a lethal situation. He said so previously, and carried a gun hoping to have to use it, and acting in a manner to guarantee it.
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He indicated an intent to "teach a lesson"
I know you have a real allergy to putting anything at all in any kind of actual context, but he was talking about serial trespassers and burglars, especially in the context of his neighbors being repeatedly robbed. You keep tap-dancing around context, around the very reason that the neighborhood had and kept a watch in the first place. Regardless, the only person who brought up race was the police dispatcher who asked him to describe the possible trespasser, and prompted for race. Unless, of course, you're only listening to the fabricated NBC version of the call, which they re-arranged to make it sound like he brought it up, not the dispatcher.
But Zimmerman intended to provoke a lethal situation.
Sure, in your fantasy world of cartoon villains that match the racist stereotypes you need to establish in order to feel good about yourself. In the real world, he didn't go anywhere near his gun, and was on the way back to his truck before Martin doubled back and attacked him. And he still didn't reach for his gun until he was on his back getting his head bashed into the sidewalk. All of the physical evidence backs that up, as well as witness accounts. Your need for the events to be different in order to maintain your narrative and agenda doesn't change what actually happened. Let me guess, you're also in the "hands up don't shoot" camp, in complete contradiction to what witnesses saw in that event, too.
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I know you have a real allergy to putting anything at all in any kind of actual context, but he was talking about serial trespassers and burglars,
He was talking about Black people because everyone knows they are the problem.
You keep tap-dancing around context,
No, I accept the context. You reject it. He was frustrated. He wanted someone to pay. Especially someone Black. That's the context you reject. When will you stop dancing around the context?
And he still didn't reach for his gun until he was on his back getting his head bashed into the sidewalk.
So? He wanted to make sure that the murder-one it was wouldn't stick. So he kept the gun hidden until he was hit by the prey he was stalking. Then he went for it.
Let me guess, you're also in the "hands up don't shoot" camp, in complete contradiction to what witnesses saw in that event, too.
No, I'm in the "why would a cop in fear for his life get out of his car and charge the dangerous person" camp. He was angry he was hit, so he got out of his car to kill himself some Nigger for the Capital Crime of Disrespect of Cop.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04...
I'm sure the video showing a cop shooting a black guy in the back is all a fiction. He was actually charging the cop with a gun in his hand, but the video and witnesses were re-written in a horrible anti-white conspiracy.
Go on, spin that one. If there wasn't a camera, I bet the dead black guy would have ended up with his corpse in prison. The police report shows that the black guy was actively tasing the cop when he was shot, but the biased video shows him unarmed and running away, but shows the cop planting the taser on the dead body. The cop also claimed to have performed CPR, but the video clearly shows him standing over the dead guy, after cuffing the corpse, for good measure.
By your standards, the error was not shooting the guy taking video, and destroying the video, claiming it looked like a gun.
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Japan was willing to accept total surrender weeks before the nuclear bombs were dropped. It was the US that intentionally dragged out the process because the nukes weren't ready yet. And dropping not just one but two was not meant to cut the war with Japan short, it was meant to demonstrate to the Soviets that the US has weapons of mass destruction paired with a very low inhibition to kill ten thousands of civilians just to make a point. If anything, it is testament to the endless insanity of the Truman administration.
Interesting. Mine was an Army MP - they formed a special MP company (all college grads) that was stationed in Albuquerque, NM. His company guarded all the atom bombs existing in the world at the time.