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Chrome 42 Launches With Push Notifications
An anonymous reader writes: Google today launched Chrome 42 for Windows, Mac, and Linux with new developer tools. Chrome 42 offers two new APIs (Push API and Notifications API) that together allow sites to send notifications to their users even after the given page is closed. While this can be quite an intrusive feature for a browser, Google promises the users have to first grant explicit permission before they receive such a message.
So after all the problems with malware-ridden popups and other unwanted crap Google gives us this?
Sure, there's no way it's going to get abused. Or cracked.
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Opera and/or firefox, check.
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Nobody cares about your excuses.
And all the Canadians in the US will be suing you. There's an International Data Treaty the US and Canada signed that says they still have their rights.
Congrats!
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I can't think of a single reason why I would use a browser with google's snooping technology baked right into it.
Can we go back to the web being "Hey can I get your page at site.tld/page.ext ?" and "Sure, here is what you asked for, and not an entire cart of horseshit jammed in with it, alongside it, or after it! Thank you for visiting our website, valuable reader / customer!"?
You know Chrome started this crap, right?
Push technology was one of the hottest buzzwords going c. 1997-1998.
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What "crap" are we talking about here?
Chrome didn't make Mozilla botch the switch to more frequent releases of Firefox. Mozilla did that on its own.
Chrome didn't make Mozilla ruin Firefox's UI. Mozilla did that on its own.
Chrome didn't prevent Mozilla from finally fixing Firefox's long-standing memory leaks and poor performance. Mozilla has avoided those fixes on their own.
Chrome didn't even cause Firefox's market share to drop from around 35% to 10%. Mozilla caused that by itself, by shitting upon Firefox users over and over again.
Chrome didn't cause Mozilla to spin its wheels with useless, unwanted shit like Firefox OS, Persona, asm.js, and all of their other failed projects. Mozilla did that on its own.
Mozilla has royally fucked up time and time again. Chrome didn't cause them to fuck up like that. Mozilla did it on their own.
I see enough of this crap on Safari - random web sites wanting permission to display "notifications" on my system when it's extremely unlikely anyone would find said notifications useful ("Hey! James Johnson just published a new article!" "Hey! BluePooper7 just commented on a story you read!"),
Thanks, Chrome, for taking it a step further!
Really, the only sites I think this might be marginally useful for is Gmail and Google Calendar - and they used to offer a much smaller footprint, targeted "biff" application (Google Notifier for Mac) that did exactly that. Now, if you want their notifications, you need the entire browser to stay in memory, apparently...
#DeleteChrome
Oh great, so if I stumble on a page so full of crap that I decide to backtrack the hell away, the site can still shove notifications in my face, even though I clearly don't want that content? Yeah, I have to explicitly allow it, that's awfully nice of them. But how long will opting out last when the advertisers realize they can force a few more eyeballs? Is there another browser out there that hasn't been bloated to death with "features"? I jumped from Firefox to Chrome when they started churning versions, but Chrome just jumped the shark by doing the same thing.
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And that's why I use neither firefox nor chrome (and definitely not IE). It's really annoying that selecting a browser is no longer getting one which is the best, but rather picking the one which is the least worst of the lot. For a long time I was a firefox user, but after Australis, that just did it for me, but what I replaced it with, has big problems too, but at least the UI is easy enough to use.
Thanks for the reminder
Java is Broken in Chrome 42. Totally. There is no way to run Java in the browser, at all. In any way.
Trying to run any Java app results in this: http://i.imgur.com/Imuxmay.png
There's a ticket open here:
https://code.google.com/p/chro...
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Without this web apps can't really exist on mobile. To do many useful things, they have to be able to interact with you without being in the foreground, so running as a background service that accepts notifications from the network seems pretty useful. The downside seems mitigated since it's opt-in, so I don't see why everyone's crapping themselves over this.
Way back in the day when Microsoft was unleashing IE onto the world, everybody howled that they were introducing new IE specific things for websites to be able to provide, eg ActiveX. Now it seems that google is doing the same thing with Chrome. In both cases the idea is to take ownership of the web...
The web was perfectly fine until the mid-2000s, when the San Francisco crowd got their hands all over it. It has been all down hill since then.
I'd like to quote from a famous song, "We Built This City", by artists Jefferson Starship. This song captures the essence of what is wrong with the web today.
That sums up exactly what's wrong with Chrome, Firefox, and the web of today. When I look at Firefox or Chrome, I don't recognize their UIs any longer. They are difficult to use for anyone who isn't a rotten hipster. When I use Firefox and Chrome, I don't "recognize their face".
Like this submission shows perfectly, both Chrome and Firefox are "knee deep in the hoopla". They're all about buzzwords like "push notifications" these days.
Firefox is very clearly "sinking in its fight", with the "too many runaways" referring to the victims who have had to flee it and the awful changes that Mozilla has victimized the Firefox user community with.
It's getting to the point where I don't even want to use the web any more. I just want to do dances like the mambo, or even listen to the radio.
That perfectly describes the games we see with Google, Mozilla, Opera and even Microsoft. The web today is all about corporate shenanigans. Just look at all of the talk recently about Microsoft and IE and Spartan and of that jazz. They're all playing "corporation games", indeed!
While some of us just want to dance with the web like we used to, before it all went to hell, we have these browser vendors telling us that we need these push notifications and advertisements. They have written us off of the (web) page!
As normal people wanting to browse the web, we have lost the beat, thanks to the choke hold put on us by the browser vendors these days. It's all about the money, and anything having to do with the web that isn't about the money swiftly gets the wrecking ball.
The web was once the greatest creation that humankind had ever managed to build. But as quickly as it arose, it was torn down by greed, avarice, and shitty browser user interfaces.
And as those great musicians sang:
That's what we need to remember. We can't ever forget it.
I like how you're proud enough of your taste in web browsers to say what you don't use, but not proud enough to say what you do use.
... don't find a way to exploit this fabulous new technology.
Granting permission will be easy. Revoking permission will be nigh-impossible.
Welcome to the Microsoft of 2015.
Some fluke allows it when you install 15+ over the top of it :)
I still have my bookmarks and very few sites don't allow it now it's been blessed by Opera 15+. But it has started opening a new page instead of a tab and really becoming distracting (not what I'm used to).
Opera 15+ is just Chrome in a different GUI.
As for these push API's it appears more important than ever to delete ones cookie after leaving the site, Opera does this as does Firefox (my back up browser) or it's claimed to.
>Chrome 42 offers two new APIs
I don't like change.
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Lately the middle button in Chrome has been deprecated, and it doesn't do what it says on the tin. Sometimes I middle-click on something and the page just begins scrolling, for example Youtube videos (even when not yet loaded!) especially in G+, which is a place you especially don't want to scroll accidentally. Also, image galleries which are probably hosted by google are just coming up as a slideshow in the current tab instead of opening a new tab. Google reserves the right to change the behavior of Chrome only for their sites, and up yours.
I wouldn't use Chrome at all, but some Google sites sometimes only work properly in it. Youtube is the primary example. Sometimes a given resolution will choke in Firefox, sometimes in Chrome, and there's no apparent rhyme or reason to it.
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See subject: OR among the 1st to use it & they "control the purse strings" so they'll force their will onto sites who float their ads... it's inevitable!
* Boy, it made me laugh @ some of the comments here really - we're NOT the "only ones" thinking about this "PUSH" stuff being used that way (the "sanfran" comment here SORT of alluded to it as well -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... along with OTHER less "cool" things that've changed online also)
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Danomac had a GOOD SOLID POINT HERE too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... on it being full of exploits early on as it is, most likely...
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P.S.=> So, I suppose that "sinks" using new FF, Chrome, etc. (& I'll stick to Opera 12.17 64-bit here, OR perhaps FF variants like WaterFox or PaleMoon, which I understand "strip out" potentially 'dangerous' features from FF itself)... apk
As bad as Mozilla? It's at version 42, Mozilla is at 37. Who do you think started this cadence in the first place?
I just KNEW you had "good taste" & sense (you're a "hosts man" too) & use the BEST + MOST FLEXIBLE browser there is under the sun to date (imo & experience).
* 12.17 64-bit Opera user here (noted it here today in fact) too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
APK
P.S.=> I do suspect, as did the person I replied to in the link above, that "PUSH" will be used primarily, if not initially too, as advertising tech (danomac brought up a GOOD SOLID POINT too on how it will probably by abused also by malware makers, etc., due to being "new" & yes, probably full of exploitable holes early on most likely too)... apk
It was such a strong point you made, I noted your post to others here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... + here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
* See subject - IF I had "mod points" (anonymous users don't) I'd mod you up, but alas, "tis the way 'tis"...
OTHERS made great points on how advertisers WILL be amongst the 1st, if not THE first, to use it (that's my opinion primarily, but yours is a CLOSE 2nd here too).
APK
P.S.=> You're probably right as rain... apk
Fucking fantastic. One more thing I'll need to turn off in every account on every computer I use.
I wish there was one great browser, and not three OK ones.
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I wouldn't be too worried. I looked into this for a web app for chat notifications, and the API is kind of a disaster IMO. From what I saw, it's very opinionated on how the data is acquired and passed on through a ServiceWorker to a notification, to the point that applications would likely have to be built from the ground-up with it mind.
What about this? Chrome uses up all available memory, turning your machine into a dog. But...no pooh to clean up! So what about that?
I use SeaMonkey which is the descendent of the old Mozilla suite.
Its got all the same web engine stuff as Firefox does but it doesn't have the crappy UI or some of the other "unwanted" crap from Firefox.
And Chrome didn't prevent me from continuing to use Firefox because of it's add-ons, ease of use, and some of us like the interface...And what poor performance. Firefox runs just fine on my Lenovo Z50-75. In fact, I've been using the developer edition as my default browser and it works really well.
Keep your Chrome, I'll stay with Firefox for a very long time to come.
I sure hope Chromium will leave out or at least disable that crap.
This is what you get when people mistakenly think that webpages are an application interface; depressing horror. Browsers displaying webpages are not an application interface, they never were, and are completely unfit for it.
What Google is doing with this abomination is just ignoring that reality and taking that insane idea closer to its logical conclusion of utter, irreversible insanity.
Don't forget Castanet, precusor to push notifications. That was Netscape's fault before there even was a Mozilla outside of the eponymous Book of Mozilla. And lo, Castanet did perish from the earth, and nobody learned a damned thing from its failure, so they kept trying to beget a new Castanet
Because I'm not entirely happy with what I'm currently using, so it doesn't really matter.
Yes, push is great for mobile devices. Because you can close the application and put the device to sleep, and you can still get notifications. That said, even on my phone, the browser does not have this. Why would it? Push is for things like messaging programs, so you can get messages without keeping the device awake and using battery. For computers? Not a chance. There is ZERO reason to have this on desktop PC's even for things like IM programs.
Just don't use a browser made by any of the big guys. There's PaleMoon (custom compiled from Mozilla sources), Midori (lean UI around Webkit) and Opera (so far holding up well)
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Now in addition to getting websites popping up windows that ask you to subscribe to their email they are going to be sending you notifications asking you to do the same. (And it's not pop-up windows which I have turned off but some HTML or CSS that comes up which the ad blockers don't stop. I probably don't want to subscribe but I never will know if you never give me the chance to read the article on your site because you block it out asking me to subscribe!
I'm using a browser you've never even heard of.
*strokes neckbeard*
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*This* time, it requires you to explicitly allow it. But they're just sticking their foot in the door for encroachment here.
Six months from now it'll simply be "allow by default", but you'll be able to turn it off. Hope you noticed it does that every time there's a new patch though!
A year from now the option's gone, it's "just normal browsing", and we're stuck having to immunize against the browser's in-built hijackers with every new update.
I've been mesmerized why I can't configure Chrome to show notifications on work hours only. It's as if whole tech industry assumes we use phones to get our notifications and that's where the most comprehensive settings are for notifications. I upgraded to Chrome 42, and it still can't tune notifications for only work hours, damn it.
Only 42?! Surely the title is missing a digit!
> Google promises the users have to first grant explicit permission before they receive such a message
Yes, but what this means every single fucking site that wants to will probably be able to nag for permission. If they don't add an option to disable the prompt or not let it get in the way at all I think im ready to just give up on Chrome. I've never been picky which browser I use and I usually use them all in one day at some point. So if I drop one from the roster (while others like Pale Moon and Vivaldi are coming around) no worries whatsoever. Google you just can't stop fucking up can you?
Yeah, sure. Right up to Chrome 42. After this...
I don't have a FirefoxOS device to experience it, but they say they added that feature in an 1.x version. I remember thinking that crap, I thought it's the smartphone for normal people and should be a less intrusive smartphone : if you want to check mail go to the mail app. But you do have legitimate notifications on a phone : SMS and missed calls.
So.. is the web notification feature somewhat old already?
Found this on push notification, says it's supported by no desktop browser
https://developer.mozilla.org/...
And just "notifications", whatever they are : purportedly supported by Chrome 22 and Firefox 22, but I don't know what they are about
https://developer.mozilla.org/...
So we have another replacement for email. Now without inbox.
Thanks, a have nice day :)
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Change that to "before the feature is enabled." and I might accept it.
One more nail in the Chrome coffin...
Chrome is default on both android and chromeos. Indeed google maintains a complete monopoly of what browser you can use on chromeos.
"Google promises the users have to first grant explicit permission before they receive such a message."
So you'll get a notification that a site wants to send you a notification. Either way, you're going to be interrupted, either by chrome, or by some website.
No, thanks.
Just like that third party Internet Explorer toolbars.
Chrome is default on both android and chromeos. Indeed google maintains a complete monopoly of what browser you can use on chromeos.
Okay, I'll grant you ChromeOS, but Android? Since when? I have two Androids (one tablet, and one fairly new phone), and both use some no-name no-frills browser by default, I had to explicitly install Chrome separately.
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I think asking a user permission for push notifications isn't strict enough. IMO, I'd require approval by a 3rd party, much like how mobile apps need to go through an app store. As an alternative, I'd implement a rating system.
If we allow any web site to ask to allow push notifications, every time we visit a new web site, it's going to ask us if it can do push notifications. Without some kind of rating system or centralized approval system, push notifications will just be another venue for spam.
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Oh look, Google invented Netscape Netcaster. Great invention guys.
I wonder if these "AJAX bad, native apps good" hecklers would be happier if Slashdot had used NNTP instead of HTTP. You'd point your existing news reader app at news.slashdot.org, which would host several moderated newsgroups. Only editors would have power to post top-level articles outside slashdot.firehose; anyone could post follow-ups that would be auto-approved provided they trip no lameness filter. Then each user could use the newsreader's existing tools to promote or demote a particular identity's follow-ups, similarly to the present Slashdot's friend and foe system.
It's like 1995 all over again.
Except now at least the browsers can generally load more than 3 pages before crashing.
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Chrome seems to have turned into a big pile of crap lately. The last few months at work we are hearing many reports from people about their chat connections constanly dropping and email send issues in Chrome. We have those people use the latest Firefox and the issues go away, can't Google get its browser to work with its other programs?
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I'm old, not dead. Well that's my 2 cents worth, your mileage may vary. I say what I think, not what you want to hear.
My only criticism is that Microsoft don't make you pay for it, which seems an almost unbelievable oversight on their part.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
I like how you're proud enough of your taste in web browsers to say what you don't use, but not proud enough to say what you do use.
I'm assuming Netscape Navigator 4.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it