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Chrome 42 Launches With Push Notifications
An anonymous reader writes: Google today launched Chrome 42 for Windows, Mac, and Linux with new developer tools. Chrome 42 offers two new APIs (Push API and Notifications API) that together allow sites to send notifications to their users even after the given page is closed. While this can be quite an intrusive feature for a browser, Google promises the users have to first grant explicit permission before they receive such a message.
So after all the problems with malware-ridden popups and other unwanted crap Google gives us this?
Sure, there's no way it's going to get abused. Or cracked.
I can't think of a single reason why I would use a browser with google's snooping technology baked right into it.
Can we go back to the web being "Hey can I get your page at site.tld/page.ext ?" and "Sure, here is what you asked for, and not an entire cart of horseshit jammed in with it, alongside it, or after it! Thank you for visiting our website, valuable reader / customer!"?
Push technology was one of the hottest buzzwords going c. 1997-1998.
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What "crap" are we talking about here?
Chrome didn't make Mozilla botch the switch to more frequent releases of Firefox. Mozilla did that on its own.
Chrome didn't make Mozilla ruin Firefox's UI. Mozilla did that on its own.
Chrome didn't prevent Mozilla from finally fixing Firefox's long-standing memory leaks and poor performance. Mozilla has avoided those fixes on their own.
Chrome didn't even cause Firefox's market share to drop from around 35% to 10%. Mozilla caused that by itself, by shitting upon Firefox users over and over again.
Chrome didn't cause Mozilla to spin its wheels with useless, unwanted shit like Firefox OS, Persona, asm.js, and all of their other failed projects. Mozilla did that on its own.
Mozilla has royally fucked up time and time again. Chrome didn't cause them to fuck up like that. Mozilla did it on their own.
I see enough of this crap on Safari - random web sites wanting permission to display "notifications" on my system when it's extremely unlikely anyone would find said notifications useful ("Hey! James Johnson just published a new article!" "Hey! BluePooper7 just commented on a story you read!"),
Thanks, Chrome, for taking it a step further!
Really, the only sites I think this might be marginally useful for is Gmail and Google Calendar - and they used to offer a much smaller footprint, targeted "biff" application (Google Notifier for Mac) that did exactly that. Now, if you want their notifications, you need the entire browser to stay in memory, apparently...
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Oh great, so if I stumble on a page so full of crap that I decide to backtrack the hell away, the site can still shove notifications in my face, even though I clearly don't want that content? Yeah, I have to explicitly allow it, that's awfully nice of them. But how long will opting out last when the advertisers realize they can force a few more eyeballs? Is there another browser out there that hasn't been bloated to death with "features"? I jumped from Firefox to Chrome when they started churning versions, but Chrome just jumped the shark by doing the same thing.
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And that's why I use neither firefox nor chrome (and definitely not IE). It's really annoying that selecting a browser is no longer getting one which is the best, but rather picking the one which is the least worst of the lot. For a long time I was a firefox user, but after Australis, that just did it for me, but what I replaced it with, has big problems too, but at least the UI is easy enough to use.
Youtube is the only google product I use.
Java is Broken in Chrome 42. Totally. There is no way to run Java in the browser, at all. In any way.
Trying to run any Java app results in this: http://i.imgur.com/Imuxmay.png
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Way back in the day when Microsoft was unleashing IE onto the world, everybody howled that they were introducing new IE specific things for websites to be able to provide, eg ActiveX. Now it seems that google is doing the same thing with Chrome. In both cases the idea is to take ownership of the web...
The web was perfectly fine until the mid-2000s, when the San Francisco crowd got their hands all over it. It has been all down hill since then.
I'd like to quote from a famous song, "We Built This City", by artists Jefferson Starship. This song captures the essence of what is wrong with the web today.
That sums up exactly what's wrong with Chrome, Firefox, and the web of today. When I look at Firefox or Chrome, I don't recognize their UIs any longer. They are difficult to use for anyone who isn't a rotten hipster. When I use Firefox and Chrome, I don't "recognize their face".
Like this submission shows perfectly, both Chrome and Firefox are "knee deep in the hoopla". They're all about buzzwords like "push notifications" these days.
Firefox is very clearly "sinking in its fight", with the "too many runaways" referring to the victims who have had to flee it and the awful changes that Mozilla has victimized the Firefox user community with.
It's getting to the point where I don't even want to use the web any more. I just want to do dances like the mambo, or even listen to the radio.
That perfectly describes the games we see with Google, Mozilla, Opera and even Microsoft. The web today is all about corporate shenanigans. Just look at all of the talk recently about Microsoft and IE and Spartan and of that jazz. They're all playing "corporation games", indeed!
While some of us just want to dance with the web like we used to, before it all went to hell, we have these browser vendors telling us that we need these push notifications and advertisements. They have written us off of the (web) page!
As normal people wanting to browse the web, we have lost the beat, thanks to the choke hold put on us by the browser vendors these days. It's all about the money, and anything having to do with the web that isn't about the money swiftly gets the wrecking ball.
The web was once the greatest creation that humankind had ever managed to build. But as quickly as it arose, it was torn down by greed, avarice, and shitty browser user interfaces.
And as those great musicians sang:
That's what we need to remember. We can't ever forget it.
Does your iPhone violate Canadian law as well? It too has push notifications.
Make no mistake, I will disable or somehow block this "feature". But seriously - You can't really whine too loudly over your favorite free and not-default-on-any-platform program suddenly including a feature you don't like.
We already have a better mechanism for that on smartphones - you can turn notifications on or off on an app-by-app basis.
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Some fluke allows it when you install 15+ over the top of it :)
I still have my bookmarks and very few sites don't allow it now it's been blessed by Opera 15+. But it has started opening a new page instead of a tab and really becoming distracting (not what I'm used to).
Opera 15+ is just Chrome in a different GUI.
As for these push API's it appears more important than ever to delete ones cookie after leaving the site, Opera does this as does Firefox (my back up browser) or it's claimed to.
>Chrome 42 offers two new APIs
I don't like change.
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But they will. Look at all the impotent whining above over an insignificant change made to Firefox more than a year ago.
People will cry, and cry loudly, over any stupid little thing.
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Lately the middle button in Chrome has been deprecated, and it doesn't do what it says on the tin. Sometimes I middle-click on something and the page just begins scrolling, for example Youtube videos (even when not yet loaded!) especially in G+, which is a place you especially don't want to scroll accidentally. Also, image galleries which are probably hosted by google are just coming up as a slideshow in the current tab instead of opening a new tab. Google reserves the right to change the behavior of Chrome only for their sites, and up yours.
I wouldn't use Chrome at all, but some Google sites sometimes only work properly in it. Youtube is the primary example. Sometimes a given resolution will choke in Firefox, sometimes in Chrome, and there's no apparent rhyme or reason to it.
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As bad as Mozilla? It's at version 42, Mozilla is at 37. Who do you think started this cadence in the first place?
And all the Canadians in the US will be suing you. There's an International Data Treaty the US and Canada signed that says they still have their rights.
What parts of explicitly subscribing to notifications from a particular web app on the chrome store violate Canadian rights?
When has user "free will" been revoked in Canada?
Fucking fantastic. One more thing I'll need to turn off in every account on every computer I use.
I wish there was one great browser, and not three OK ones.
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I wouldn't be too worried. I looked into this for a web app for chat notifications, and the API is kind of a disaster IMO. From what I saw, it's very opinionated on how the data is acquired and passed on through a ServiceWorker to a notification, to the point that applications would likely have to be built from the ground-up with it mind.
I use SeaMonkey which is the descendent of the old Mozilla suite.
Its got all the same web engine stuff as Firefox does but it doesn't have the crappy UI or some of the other "unwanted" crap from Firefox.
I sure hope Chromium will leave out or at least disable that crap.
This is what you get when people mistakenly think that webpages are an application interface; depressing horror. Browsers displaying webpages are not an application interface, they never were, and are completely unfit for it.
What Google is doing with this abomination is just ignoring that reality and taking that insane idea closer to its logical conclusion of utter, irreversible insanity.
Because I'm not entirely happy with what I'm currently using, so it doesn't really matter.
Yes, push is great for mobile devices. Because you can close the application and put the device to sleep, and you can still get notifications. That said, even on my phone, the browser does not have this. Why would it? Push is for things like messaging programs, so you can get messages without keeping the device awake and using battery. For computers? Not a chance. There is ZERO reason to have this on desktop PC's even for things like IM programs.
The app in this case is the browser. Without some kind of push from the server mechanism, web based applications need to resort to something like polling. While that works, it's less than ideal.
The app in this case is the browser. Without some kind of push from the server mechanism, web based applications need to resort to something like polling. While that works, it's less than ideal.
Leaving a connection open but idle for long periods of time while waiting for an update that "might" be coming is also "less than ideal." The browser is still a poor substitute for a real application, and always will be. Even Apple had to yield on this - the original idea for apps on the iPhone was basically web apps. The market vehemently rejected it.
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Now in addition to getting websites popping up windows that ask you to subscribe to their email they are going to be sending you notifications asking you to do the same. (And it's not pop-up windows which I have turned off but some HTML or CSS that comes up which the ad blockers don't stop. I probably don't want to subscribe but I never will know if you never give me the chance to read the article on your site because you block it out asking me to subscribe!
For many types of applications a browser is "good enough". The power of browsers is always increasing and features like this are a good thing (so long as they are overtly opt-in for the user).
*This* time, it requires you to explicitly allow it. But they're just sticking their foot in the door for encroachment here.
Six months from now it'll simply be "allow by default", but you'll be able to turn it off. Hope you noticed it does that every time there's a new patch though!
A year from now the option's gone, it's "just normal browsing", and we're stuck having to immunize against the browser's in-built hijackers with every new update.
I've been mesmerized why I can't configure Chrome to show notifications on work hours only. It's as if whole tech industry assumes we use phones to get our notifications and that's where the most comprehensive settings are for notifications. I upgraded to Chrome 42, and it still can't tune notifications for only work hours, damn it.
I don't have a FirefoxOS device to experience it, but they say they added that feature in an 1.x version. I remember thinking that crap, I thought it's the smartphone for normal people and should be a less intrusive smartphone : if you want to check mail go to the mail app. But you do have legitimate notifications on a phone : SMS and missed calls.
So.. is the web notification feature somewhat old already?
Found this on push notification, says it's supported by no desktop browser
https://developer.mozilla.org/...
And just "notifications", whatever they are : purportedly supported by Chrome 22 and Firefox 22, but I don't know what they are about
https://developer.mozilla.org/...
Without this web apps can't really exist on mobile.
And that concerns me on a desktop for what reason exactly?
It's just like Windows 8 all over. All hail the all mighty and all important mobile market, the old desktop farts can as well eat shit, who gives a rat's ass 'bout them? We got them anyway.
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It's disabled by default, and requires explicit user agreement for it to be used. It can also be turned off at any time. This is not something to get upset about.
"Google promises the users have to first grant explicit permission before they receive such a message."
So you'll get a notification that a site wants to send you a notification. Either way, you're going to be interrupted, either by chrome, or by some website.
No, thanks.
Your definition of "good enough" is defective, given the ongoing history of security flaws and bloat.
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Chrome is default on both android and chromeos. Indeed google maintains a complete monopoly of what browser you can use on chromeos.
Okay, I'll grant you ChromeOS, but Android? Since when? I have two Androids (one tablet, and one fairly new phone), and both use some no-name no-frills browser by default, I had to explicitly install Chrome separately.
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I think asking a user permission for push notifications isn't strict enough. IMO, I'd require approval by a 3rd party, much like how mobile apps need to go through an app store. As an alternative, I'd implement a rating system.
If we allow any web site to ask to allow push notifications, every time we visit a new web site, it's going to ask us if it can do push notifications. Without some kind of rating system or centralized approval system, push notifications will just be another venue for spam.
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I wonder if these "AJAX bad, native apps good" hecklers would be happier if Slashdot had used NNTP instead of HTTP. You'd point your existing news reader app at news.slashdot.org, which would host several moderated newsgroups. Only editors would have power to post top-level articles outside slashdot.firehose; anyone could post follow-ups that would be auto-approved provided they trip no lameness filter. Then each user could use the newsreader's existing tools to promote or demote a particular identity's follow-ups, similarly to the present Slashdot's friend and foe system.
It's like 1995 all over again.
Except now at least the browsers can generally load more than 3 pages before crashing.
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Your definition of "good enough" is defective, given the ongoing history of security flaws and bloat.
That's why I said "good enough" and not "perfect". Security flaws aren't limited to web browsers, though because of the nature of them serving data from other computers it's a natural vector. Bloat is fixed with more hardware :-)
Your definition of "good enough" is defective, given the ongoing history of security flaws and bloat.
That's why I said "good enough" and not "perfect". Security flaws aren't limited to web browsers, though because of the nature of them serving data from other computers it's a natural vector. Bloat is fixed with more hardware :-)
Bloat is hidden by more hardware. It's still there, and history shows that all the extra code just gives a larger error surface.
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Personally I think that web technologies are the bastard child of some good ideas and some bad ones. Having said that, it's still the only way to get as cross platform as possible with a single build effort.
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or for 2d/3d games, etc, there's Unity, which also supports iOS and Android, PS3/4, XBox360/One, Blackberry, Windows, Linux, Apple, etc.
There are 2 reason to continue to use a browse: one is "because that's what we've been doing so far," the other is "we don't want to learn how to write real code". The "we target it because everyone has a browser" argument is bogus - browsers have been used to download and install programs for ages.
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There are plenty of ways to get cross-platform w/o using a web browser. Embarcadero
Doesn't look cross platform to me. For example: it appears as if there is no Linux support. The iOS support is a native app which put you at the whim of the Apple approval process. I don't consider that to be cross platform. Web apps aren't subject to that process.
or for 2d/3d games, etc, there's Unity, which also supports iOS and Android, PS3/4, XBox360/One, Blackberry, Windows, Linux, Apple, etc.
There are 2 reason to continue to use a browse: one is "because that's what we've been doing so far," the other is "we don't want to learn how to write real code". The "we target it because everyone has a browser" argument is bogus - browsers have been used to download and install programs for ages.
Your first objection isn't always the case. I am aware of development teams who have never developed for the web before and are now starting to because it's a viable platform for rich applications.
As for writing "real code"? How condescending and patently untrue. Downloading an application is not the same thing as developing once and running on multiple platforms.
Sadly, I am aware of that.
My only criticism is that Microsoft don't make you pay for it, which seems an almost unbelievable oversight on their part.
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I like how you're proud enough of your taste in web browsers to say what you don't use, but not proud enough to say what you do use.
I'm assuming Netscape Navigator 4.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
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You can get videos of people being beheaded, but not of them having sex.
What a world.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
There are plenty of ways to get cross-platform w/o using a web browser. Embarcadero
Doesn't look cross platform to me. For example: it appears as if there is no Linux support. The iOS support is a native app which put you at the whim of the Apple approval process. I don't consider that to be cross platform. Web apps aren't subject to that process.
There is no market for linux applications - the key word being "Market". You can't make a living selling your software, unlike BSD, OSX, Windows, iOS, and the Android runtime. Also, your claim that "it's subject to Apple's whims" is so bogus it's not a joke. This applies to ANY product being developed for iOS - your claim was that there were no cross-platform tools, which you are now trying to back up with lies by not just moving the goalposts, but by using made-up definitions that nobody else recognizes. It's really insulting.
or for 2d/3d games, etc, there's Unity, which also supports iOS and Android, PS3/4, XBox360/One, Blackberry, Windows, Linux, Apple, etc.
There are 2 reason to continue to use a browse: one is "because that's what we've been doing so far," the other is "we don't want to learn how to write real code". The "we target it because everyone has a browser" argument is bogus - browsers have been used to download and install programs for ages.
Your first objection isn't always the case. I am aware of development teams who have never developed for the web before and are now starting to because it's a viable platform for rich applications.
As for writing "real code"? How condescending and patently untrue. Downloading an application is not the same thing as developing once and running on multiple platforms.
So how is that web platform doing without an internet connection? Also, there's no viable market for Linux applications - the key word being "market", like in "we can sell a million copies and make tons of money."
And people who are just now turning to the web platform are SO far behind the times that they are not credible examples, unless you're looking for examples of still-living dinosaurs.
As for writing "real code"? How condescending and patently untrue. Downloading an application is not the same thing as developing once and running on multiple platforms.
Of course it's not the same. Never said it was. It's better. And contrary to your claim the tools are now out there to allow developers to support multiple platforms. Unlike web applications, which run on only one platform - the web browser. Good luck with that when the server goes down or you have a high-latency (or no) connection, or the company building the web app is no longer in business. In that last case, you're dead in the water, whereas even some of those old dBASE apps are still running today.
They're called web monkeys for a reason. Most of them cannot write real code. They're like a million monkeys banging on a million keyboards and throwing whatever comes out against the wall to see what sticks, like monkeys do with their poo.
But they sure do love their "google for it and cut-n-paste mad skillz" But they can't run with the big dogs.
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Doesn't look cross platform to me. For example: it appears as if there is no Linux support. The iOS support is a native app which put you at the whim of the Apple approval process. I don't consider that to be cross platform. Web apps aren't subject to that process.
There is no market for linux applications - the key word being "Market". You can't make a living selling your software, unlike BSD, OSX, Windows, iOS, and the Android runtime.
Thanks for telling me what the market for my particular kind of app is.
Also, your claim that "it's subject to Apple's whims" is so bogus it's not a joke. This applies to ANY product being developed for iOS
Not for those apps developed using browser technology. Unless you can point me to evidence that shows Apple vetting what website you can and cannot view.
- your claim was that there were no cross-platform tools, which you are now trying to back up with lies by not just moving the goalposts, but by using made-up definitions that nobody else recognizes. It's really insulting.
The most cross platform platform is the browser. You pointed to a framework that does not run on Linux (which is a viable market for certain kinds of apps) and is not cross platform on iOS (without forcing you to go through their review process which many legitimate types of apps would not pass).
I also pointed to a framework that runs on everything, including PS3/PS4 (the PS4 OS is FreeBSD), XBox360 and XBox1, Windows, Linux, iOS, OSX, Android, Android TV (native only - no web browser apps), Blackberry, Wii U, Tizen, Oculus Rift, etc. And no, Linux is not a viable market for apps, primarily because of the GPLv2. Nobody needs the hassles combined with the low (miniscule) potential market.
Web browsers do not support the same interactivity and responsiveness of native apps, so gaming on a browser often looks like 1980s computing (especially now that plugins like flash are being deprecated).
Then again, anyone who claims that there's a viable marketplace for Linux apps isn't too grounded in reality.
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