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Can Online Reporting System Help Prevent Sexual Assaults On Campus?

jyosim writes Studies have shown that as many as 90 percent of campus rapes are committed by repeat offenders. A new system is designed to help identify serial assaulters, by letting students anonymously report incidents in order to look for patterns. But some argue that having the ability to report someone with just the click of a button may not be a good thing. Andrew T. Miltenberg, a New York lawyer who represents young men accused of sexual misconduct, says though the system seems well intended, he is concerned about dangers it may pose to students who are accused. 'We're all guilty of pressing send on an angry text or email that, had we had to put it into an actual letter and proofread, we probably wouldn't have sent,' he says.

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  1. Students + Anonimity by Needs2BeSaid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This will end very badly. Some students will use this as an attack and/or revenge tool against people they don't like. Anonymity plus rape accusations will equal lawsuits and destroyed lives.

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    1. Re:Students + Anonimity by MitchDev · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No kidding, there needs to be accountability when you claim rape.

      The accusation, even when later proven false, destroys lives.

    2. Re:Students + Anonimity by sd4f · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The problem is this whole beat up about campus rapes is blown way out of proportion. Case in point is the mattress carrying student, who now appears to just have been a woman scorned. So any systems are already being abused. If there's criminality going on, the only thing to do is go to the police. Police need to treat rape seriously, they generally do, but I get the feeling why certain people want this resolved outside police is because police will also treat fraudulent allegations of rape seriously.

    3. Re:Students + Anonimity by Snowgen · · Score: 4, Informative

      Anonymity plus rape accusations will equal lawsuits and destroyed lives.

      Actually, if you RTFA (I know, this is /., why would you?), you'll see that a student cannot accuse anonymously.

      They can either non-anonymously report the event to the authorities using the system, or they can record details but not report. If they choose to record, and someone else makes an accusation on the same person, the system will then allow the student to non-anonymously report.

    4. Re:Students + Anonimity by Needs2BeSaid · · Score: 5, Informative

      Those anonymous "details" are accusations. A system like this will be used to intentionally harm people.

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    5. Re:Students + Anonimity by NotDrWho · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Did anyone else see that report last weekend on "60 Minutes" about the Duke lacrosse coach? The guy wasn't even accused of a crime, only COACHING the men who were accused. And those men were all PROVEN INNOCENT. And even still, it cost the guy his job and still follows him to this day. And that was for coaching innocent men!

      That's the kind of damage even being ASSOCIATED with someone FALSELY ACCUSED of such a crime can do.

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    6. Re:Students + Anonimity by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      It's the same old battle of equally opposed forces. On the one hand we want victims to come forward, be listened to and get justice. On the other hand we want to protect the innocent and not have their lives ruined by false allegations or the investigation itself.

      To make matters more difficult many victims don't come forward if the are not guaranteed anonymity, or if they think they will be interrogated during the investigation or at trial. On the other hand we need to interrogate them to get to the truth of the matter some times, and the accused is likely to want to ask them some very difficult questions about their private lives in open court.

      It's basically impossible to come up with a good, fair solution. This is just another compromise.

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    7. Re: Students + Anonimity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can tell you first hand that false accusations destroy lives just as much.

    8. Re:Students + Anonimity by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is especially true if the local community places a high value on the person being accused. For example, if a small town's football superstar rapes someone and she reports it, she will be treated as a horrible person for trying to ruin the team's chance at the playoffs. Accusations will be made regarding her promiscuity and her general character. Her name will be dragged through the mud. And all of this before the case even sees one day in a courtroom. She might have to leave the town entirely while the football superstar will be hailed as a hero for having to go through such trying times while still scoring points for the local team. And if the football superstar had raped other women, they will be pressured into keeping quiet having seen how women who speak out are treated.

      Does rape get falsely reported? Sure, but it also goes unreported out of fear of the victim becoming a target.

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    9. Re:Students + Anonimity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When looking at best practices, we have to examine the common cases, the places where things can do the most harm or most good, NOT the super rare edge cases that get the spotlight.

      Yes, who cares if a minority of innocents get their lives destroyed. Better be safe and punish the innocents this is how a good justice system works. And they're just a minority anyway, fuck minorities. (/sarc)

    10. Re:Students + Anonimity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      My uncle was a Family Court judge for many years. He used to joke that he got so used to hearing allegations of child molestation and abuse in divorce and child custody cases that he was surprised when at least one parent DIDN'T accuse the other of molesting or abusing their kid.

      If he and other judges like him had accepted it as dogma that 99.99% of such accusations were true, then there wouldn't be enough people walking around free today to run all the prisons for everyone locked up.

    11. Re:Students + Anonimity by MitchDev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Considering the penalty the accused faces, tough shit.

      Rape is a SERIOUS accusation, not to be made lightly.

    12. Re:Students + Anonimity by swb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Rightly or wrongly, the police may be influenced by their familiarity with the criminal justice system and circumstances that were reported. So many rape accusations boil down to a he said/she said situation that would be impossible to get charged by a prosecutor, let alone result in a convicton in court.

      A woman I used to know was raped by a coworker. The woman and her roommate were waitresses at a restaurant and bar. They had the company Christmas party at the restaurant and the rapist was one of the employees. Everyone had too much to drink and the rapist was too drunk to drive and asked if he could crash on their couch. They said sure. In the middle of the night, he crept into her room and raped her and left the apartment afterwards.

      In the morning, she told her boyfriend who insisted she go to the police who were basically dismissive of the claim, not because they thought she was lying but because there was no way to conclusively prove it was rape. There were witnesses who saw the three of them (the woman who was raped, her roommate, and rapist) voluntarily leave together. All had been drinking. The apartment wasn't forcibly entered. The rape itself didn't involve enough violence that she had bruises, scarring or signs of a physical struggle.

      The cops said they would bring him in for questioning but that unless he actually admitted raping her outright, what would almost certainly happen is that he would say that after they got back to the apartment she invited him into her room for sex and that he left afterwards and that the rape accusation was that she felt guilty because she had a boyfriend. And because there was no way to disprove this version of events, the prosecutor wouldn't even file charges. They also said the presence of the roommate would work against her, since he would claim that since her roommate didn't wake up she wasn't fighting or resisting.

      Are the cops insensitive? Maybe, but what can they do when there's no evidence?

      I believed her personally because I knew her fairly well, but if I think about it too long even I can start to enterain doubts. Why was there no physical struggle? Why didn't she yell and wake her roommate? If I was a cop confronted with this a lot, I can see why they come off indifferent.

    13. Re:Students + Anonimity by jcr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Worse than that, not one member of the Duke Lynch Mob has suffered any repercussions at all for their actions in demanding penalties against the accused before they were tried.

      -jcr

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    14. Re:Students + Anonimity by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Worse than that, not one member of the Duke Lynch Mob has suffered any repercussions at all for their actions in demanding penalties against the accused before they were tried.

      In the UVa case, "Jackie" has faced no repercussions for making false accusations, and neither has Rolling Stone Magazine. At least Jackie tried to retract the story before it was published, but RS went ahead even though the "victim" no longer stood by the story. But more significantly, the University of Virginia has suffered no repercussions, despite taking drastic and broad punitive action against the fraternities, before doing any fact checking, much less waiting for a proper investigation.

    15. Re:Students + Anonimity by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Look, rape happens all the time. It happens more often in economically disadvantaged communities, and by family members, but we don't talk about that. We talk about frat guys, or jockeys, or the people we "least expect," because that makes headlines. Rape is not an epidemic on college campuses, although there is an epidemic of paranoia. Most guys are scared shitless of possibly doing something uncool, let alone "creepy," let alone being accused of rape. If we want to deal with the real epidemic of rape and sexual assault, then we should create programs in grade school for students to tell an adult about what happens at home. If we teach children and young teenagers that they won't be ignored, and that someone cares about them, then they won't be afraid to report things when they're adults on college campuses. Most rapes and sexual assaults are committed by people who themselves were abused or assaulted, who never found resolution. If we get to those people before they get the chance to victimize others, then we've made everyone safer. I'm not one to beat the "think of the children" drum, but this is a problem that's rooted in childhood, so that's where our focus should be.

    16. Re:Students + Anonimity by deadweight · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because NO ONE would ever think about getting all their friends to turn the same guy in that they are pissed at.

    17. Re:Students + Anonimity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But don't forget:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial

    18. Re:Students + Anonimity by LaurenCates · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think anyone who was reading Rolling Stone saw the Boston Marathon bomber as a sex symbol, at least anyone who wasn't inclined to see him that way in the first place.

      It isn't like RS never covered anything but pop culture either.

      That said, when someone who commits a heinous crime is part of your target demographic, I actually think it's rather responsible to pull the veil of "it couldn't happen to you" off your readership, and if it provided some insight that could help someone recognize the signs in someone like that before it's too late, I think it's a far more responsible choice than you're willing to give it credit for.

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    19. Re:Students + Anonimity by clonehappy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      His common sense probably let a lot of child molesters go free. Family court judges are notorious for being dismissive about abuse claims and I know a lot of a adults who still bear a grudge because a judge would not believe one of their parents was abusing them.
      Sadly, your uncle is not a counter example, he is more likely an example of the problem.

      Sorry "you know" a lot adults who got diddled by grandpa (I don't know a single fucking one, but then again I don't hang around with people like you). That's what we call "anecdotal evidence" and it isn't worth jack shit. The exact same reason family court judges can't just throw everyone in jail based on some he-said, she-said bullshit. Common sense is not an example of the problem, pussies like you are. If you had your way, I'm sure a judge could just (without evidence, of course, like all authoritarians enjoy) throw people away because mommy said daddy touched little Johnny or Janie. Sadly, people who let emotions rather than facts or common sense (like yourself) are starting to ruin enough lives that these things are finally coming to light.

      Better to let 1,000 guilty men free than imprison 1 innocent man. You know, the way it's supposed to work. In a free country, not the kind you like (I hear Saudi Arabia, North Korea, and Iran are nice this time of year). If you want innocent people to be jailed because of feewings, get the fuck out. You don't understand what freedom and liberty really are.

    20. Re: Students + Anonimity by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That doesn't mean it's ok to falsely accuse, or for the accuser to stay hidden while she and her lawyer trash their target with impunity before a trial is even started, hell, sometimes before an arrest is made. Maybe false accusers should be dealt the same punishments their targets would've had to endure.

      In a free country everyone deserves equality before the law. What you're suggesting just encourages witchhunts and social vendettas (he cheated on me, I'll get him!). All I can really read from your post is that 'women matter, men do not.' Fuck that.

    21. Re: Students + Anonimity by guruevi · · Score: 2

      False accusations of rape is present in ~80% of disputed divorce cases. It's so bad, some lawyers are having the clauses in form paperwork. Demonstrably false accusations are around 10-20% of all investigated rape cases. If females wouldn't use rape accusations as a tool, real victims would have a much better chance.

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  2. This won't end well by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    If you thought swatting was bad, just wait until this one gets going.

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    1. Re:This won't end well by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I guess it depends on how mature and responsible college students are... so yeah, I agree with you!

      We've forced them to be extended children, so they come out of High school with the maturity of 14 year old's of say 40 years ago. So they are sowing their wild oats in college a bit more than they used to. So with a combination of legitimate reports, vendetta and rejection reports, and simple pranks, this is a system built to fail.

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  3. stakes have never been higher by nimbius · · Score: 4, Funny

    some argue that having the ability to report someone with just the click of a button may not be a good thing.

    No, you dont understand. This is the internet, but more importantly, its 4chan. I want you to envision a storm of millions of reports, hundreds of millions even, of the same perpetrator, Mooty McMootykins. He stands 21 inches tall and shoots cookies from his arse. The student attends $university and is majoring in hitler-did-nothing-wrong. Students should beware of a man dressed as a watermelon who propositions victims with "Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?" Students have reported that mcmootykins cannot be stopped because you cannot flim flam the zim zam. he also evades approach because you cant corner the dorner. each report ends confirming the students suspicion that the perpetrator suffers from gender ptsd caused by his planetkin alignment and inability to remove kebab.

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  4. Here's what I don't get by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The way the whole campus rape thing is handled seems idiotic to me. Why is sexual assault an issue for colleges or universities to handle? IMHO, it should be a police matter. If a student reports that they were sexually assaulted to a college or university, the college or university should have to report it to the local authorities, instead of being handled internally.

    The most common reason I hear for not doing this is that the victim doesn't want their assailant to go to prison. Why? So they can continue raping other people? Chances are the victim isn't the rapists first victim, or if they were, they won't be the last. Suspending a rapist from school or making them transfer does not protect other people.

    The other problem I have with having colleges or universities handle this problem is that I've heard of several instances where there wasn't due diligence in fact finding, and there was a presumption of guilt against the alleged assailant. Let the justice system handle what the justice system was created for. Colleges & universities should stick to educating people and doing research, not adjudicating serious crimes.

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    1. Re:Here's what I don't get by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Colleges want students to feel like they are protecting them, that's why they have campus security. Students are consumers, they have a choice of where to go to college, and providing security is part of the offer.

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    2. Re:Here's what I don't get by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

      Providing their own rent-a-cops is one thing. Performing their own investigations of major crimes is entirely another.

    3. Re:Here's what I don't get by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      I've seen that claimed before. Before I believe anything, I'd like to see the methodology. This strikes me as one of those things where you can prove almost anything by looking at the right numbers and making the right assumptions.

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  5. Better by Hevel-Varik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Girls don't hang out with drunk men. Men don't hang out with drunk women. The standard behavior on a university campus invites sexual misbehavior. Mod me into oblivion.

    1. Re:Better by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      So if a woman is friends with a man, they can't hang out in private ever? And if the man decides that he wants more - and to force that "more" on her - then it's the woman's fault for hanging out with him without others around?

      On the flip side, does this mean that women should regard all men as sexual predators? As a man, I'm offended by that.

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  6. Re:How Did We Get Here? by ckatko · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Rape culture" isn't really about solving any problems. It's about generating fear to generate money and votes.

    Rape rates have been falling drastically since the 70's.
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZlRN...

    Rape rates on colleges are LOWER than outside of college:
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi...

    And rape rates in some other 1st-world countries are HUGELY higher--but nobody here cares apparently:
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi...

    But none of these facts comply with the myth of the "oppressive white male" who thinks he can rape and take whatever he wants.

    Nobody disagrees with the idea that rape is a bad thing. But people are willing to hijack that axiom to create hysteria and generate political power.

  7. Serious things treated seriously and w/ dignity by WillAdams · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There needs to absolutely be a mechanism in place for a woman to:

      - safely be transported to a hospital in a fashion which maintains chain of evidence
      - be examined by a sympathetic, but impartial medical professional using a rape kit to collect evidence
      - make a formal statement, and if it includes an accusation, that to be duly sworn out in a reasonable fashion

    There needs to be in place mechanisms for the hospital, police and other social structures to take the above seriously. If there aren't, that needs to change.

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  8. Re:Students + Anonimity = some false accusations by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Get raped, and generally one will be treated like they deserved it, or are making it up, or are just having regrets, or are simply trying to 'take advantage' of some innocent man.

    You know, I keep HEARING that claim. But I don't think I've ever once seen any actual evidence of it (not in recent decades, anyway). When a rape victim walks into a police station today saying "I've been raped," I'm pretty damned sure they don't immediately take her to an interrogation room and start accusing her of making it up. AFAIK the SOP in just about any police station is to quickly get her story, get to her a hospital for a rape kit, and then arrest the accused if there is sufficient evidence of the crime. Many police stations and hospitals even have rape counselors who show up now and assist the victim. The standard presumption initially is to believe the accuser, particularly if there is physical evidence to back up the crime.

    It's only later in the process that good police officers (ones not being spurred on by grandstanding prosecutors) will follow up with a more thorough examination of the evidence. And then, yes, they will ask more detailed questions of both the accuser and accused--and possibly even question their stories. Because that's THEIR JOB, to not take accusations or denials at face value and to look at the evidence, question witnesses, etc.

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  9. A Couple Friends by rally2xs · · Score: 2

    Ladies always taking a couple friends along when venturing out will solve this. Their names are Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson.

    It has been proven over and over that citizens carrying the means of self defense greatly deters violent attack against them. The fatal flaw in this is the "defenseless victim" being present. Eliminate the defenseless victim by allowing her some effective defense. Only firearms are effective in all situations. Some a-hole hopped up on PCP won't even notice pepper spray. Tasers fail if the perpetrator is wearing heavy clothing like a parka. Only a firearm is capable of 100% effective defense.

  10. liability for authors of misused apps? by peter303 · · Score: 2

    If someone loses their employment becasue this app is misused to punish someone, is the author liable? Common carriers are generally immune to the content passed through them. ISPs are partially immune. But DRM, drug trades, underage porn without due dilligence can get them in trouble. But what about software authors?

  11. Re:So what if they do? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

    If "Jackie" had gone to the cops, which is what they're there for, there wouldn't have been a problem. She wanted a media shit show, and she got it.