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Can Online Reporting System Help Prevent Sexual Assaults On Campus?
jyosim writes Studies have shown that as many as 90 percent of campus rapes are committed by repeat offenders. A new system is designed to help identify serial assaulters, by letting students anonymously report incidents in order to look for patterns. But some argue that having the ability to report someone with just the click of a button may not be a good thing. Andrew T. Miltenberg, a New York lawyer who represents young men accused of sexual misconduct, says though the system seems well intended, he is concerned about dangers it may pose to students who are accused. 'We're all guilty of pressing send on an angry text or email that, had we had to put it into an actual letter and proofread, we probably wouldn't have sent,' he says.
This will end very badly. Some students will use this as an attack and/or revenge tool against people they don't like. Anonymity plus rape accusations will equal lawsuits and destroyed lives.
Some things need to be said...
Sure, you'll get the guilty guys, and you'll probably get 500 innocent guys along with them, guys whose only crime happened to be not calling two days later, or guys who cheated on their girlfriends, or guys who were drunk, confident, and too creepy (read: not good looking enough) to be allowed to ask a girl out.
Hey I have an idea, if we kill all the Muslims in the world, we'll really cut down on that suicide bombing.
If you thought swatting was bad, just wait until this one gets going.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
some argue that having the ability to report someone with just the click of a button may not be a good thing.
No, you dont understand. This is the internet, but more importantly, its 4chan. I want you to envision a storm of millions of reports, hundreds of millions even, of the same perpetrator, Mooty McMootykins. He stands 21 inches tall and shoots cookies from his arse. The student attends $university and is majoring in hitler-did-nothing-wrong. Students should beware of a man dressed as a watermelon who propositions victims with "Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?" Students have reported that mcmootykins cannot be stopped because you cannot flim flam the zim zam. he also evades approach because you cant corner the dorner. each report ends confirming the students suspicion that the perpetrator suffers from gender ptsd caused by his planetkin alignment and inability to remove kebab.
Good people go to bed earlier.
this can only end well
The way the whole campus rape thing is handled seems idiotic to me. Why is sexual assault an issue for colleges or universities to handle? IMHO, it should be a police matter. If a student reports that they were sexually assaulted to a college or university, the college or university should have to report it to the local authorities, instead of being handled internally.
The most common reason I hear for not doing this is that the victim doesn't want their assailant to go to prison. Why? So they can continue raping other people? Chances are the victim isn't the rapists first victim, or if they were, they won't be the last. Suspending a rapist from school or making them transfer does not protect other people.
The other problem I have with having colleges or universities handle this problem is that I've heard of several instances where there wasn't due diligence in fact finding, and there was a presumption of guilt against the alleged assailant. Let the justice system handle what the justice system was created for. Colleges & universities should stick to educating people and doing research, not adjudicating serious crimes.
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
Ignorance is strength.
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
the insanely inflated rape "statistics" made up by feminists have been debunked a million times, the reality is that students getting raped is very rare and less than the average for the general population
and repeat offenders? if it is rape and police gets involved they tend to put people in jail for long time
I was thinking the same thing. Is there a way to report a false accusation too? Because I see a lot of innocent people having their lives destroyed by this. A rape or sex offender accusation today is like being labeled a witch in medieval Europe. It's straight to the gallows with you, innocent or not!
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
Girls don't hang out with drunk men. Men don't hang out with drunk women. The standard behavior on a university campus invites sexual misbehavior. Mod me into oblivion.
You don't have to touch to rape on campus now. Look up "stare rape" sometime. I wish it was a joke, but it's really a 'thing'.
While I strongly believe this is a Bad Idea(tm) of epic proportions with a list of unintended consequences that seemingly has no end, after my initial visceral reaction, I am left to wonder. What led anyone, or group of anyone's, to think this was the answer? Even assuming we are all Good People(tm), do they believe someone will report an incident just because they can do some anonymously? Okay, so we'll put their potential targets on notice but, the report isn't really actionable. The attacker will still be at large and free to prey on someone else.
Anonymous reporting simply seems to be the wrong direction. What about actually changing how we treat and support the victims?
Except when this extra-judicial kind of accusation takes place, the accused normally gets a Kafkaesque review process, devoid of actual evidence other than the original claim, that usually ends up either with an expulsion or sanctions imposed to such a degree that the student is forced to leave.
In other words, it's not really on the record and the HuffingPaintPost is getting useless data.
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The problem is, too many people get their idea of how accusations pan out from MRA blogs then victims networks or even actual research. If even a tiny percentage of men have their lives ruined by women with false accusations it gets blown up in the only type of case that matters, thus women are assumed to be lying sluts unless they prove otherwise over and over and over, and even then they will be treated like they were 'probably' lying for the rest of their lives because 'so many cases of this happen!'. Even worse, many police and judges buy into this image too...
There needs to absolutely be a mechanism in place for a woman to:
- safely be transported to a hospital in a fashion which maintains chain of evidence
- be examined by a sympathetic, but impartial medical professional using a rape kit to collect evidence
- make a formal statement, and if it includes an accusation, that to be duly sworn out in a reasonable fashion
There needs to be in place mechanisms for the hospital, police and other social structures to take the above seriously. If there aren't, that needs to change.
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
When I was in college oh so many years ago, this was a problem; guess it's still going on now.
Anyhow, some student activists (turned out to be just a couple of students with access to a photocopier and a stapler) put up posters around campus. The posters had a photo of a guy with prison bars clipart overlaid and the subject tagline below. Whether the photo was actually of a student currently enrolled was never revealed.
Their argument was "he has a penis. therefore he is a *potential* rapist. no lie; no libel". Another point that was brought up was at that time rape was legally defined as sticking a penis into a woman without her permission. So, legally only men could rape, only women could be raped. That's actually been changed in the intervening years. To answer the objection that "It may not be libel in court, but you're still causing harm" their position was that "We are promoting a social good by 'raising awareness' about rape on campus.". After a week or so the signs were gone and didn't come back.
I don't recall if they were officially forced to stop or they just figured out they had subverted a conversation about rape into one about free speech and harassment.
Either way, they *did* raise some sort of awareness, but not the kind they wanted to. Unless they were just trying to get the law changed. Still didn't stop the raping apparently.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
Speaking of "not on the record", most rapes aren't reported which means this statistic is much higher, and contrary to your complaint, it does not "usually" end up in expulsion. We're looking at less than a third of cases ending in expulsion, and this is data for only those who are found "guilty". Suspension's a bit more likely, but I REALLY don't think it's a great idea to keep someone who has been found guilty of sexual assault on campus.
YES! Thank you! It's like no one actually bothers doing research any more, and just goes to whatever blog/news site best fits their current world view, no matter how far from reality it may be.
'We're all guilty of pressing send on an angry text or email that, had we had to put it into an actual letter and proofread, we probably wouldn't have sent,'
Ah, lawyers, thinking since they represent the highest infallibility standard, they can speak for all humanity?
Did you ever sent an inappropriately angry email or text? I don't recall that I ever had that problem.
Bennett Hasleton raped me.
It's better to let hundreds of guilty go free than for a single innocent person to be falsely convicted.
fuck anyone who says differently.
Studies have shown that as many as 90 percent of campus rapes are committed by repeat offenders.
Do those studies take into account so-called victims who make multiple false reports of rape and sexual assault? Do those studies take into account imaginary offenders? Do those studies tally up "offenders" like "Haven Monahan" who exist only in the mind of their demented accusers?
But some argue that having the ability to report someone with just the click of a button may not be a good thing.
You're damned right. I understand that rapes and sexual assaults do take place, but we've seen a number of verified false reports over the past year. It's bad enough that a woman can file a false police report and ruin someone's reputation or even send him to jail; the ability to do it at the click of a button is simply absurd.
Thanks to the War on Drugs, it's easier to buy meth than it is to buy cold medicine!
Campus rapes? You mean like the one that occurred at the University of Virginia? Except that it never occurred. And the press is still treating the accuser like she is some sort of victim when the real victims are the young men that were falsely accused. If i were one of those guys I would be suing that devious bitch to high heaven.
It's just too easy to make false accusations without any real consequences. I could see this sort of system very easily used as revenge or blackmail.
I'd think that social media would give women more ability to take a stand against their rapists, outing them for criminal, immoral, and reckless behavior.
Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
Ladies always taking a couple friends along when venturing out will solve this. Their names are Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson.
It has been proven over and over that citizens carrying the means of self defense greatly deters violent attack against them. The fatal flaw in this is the "defenseless victim" being present. Eliminate the defenseless victim by allowing her some effective defense. Only firearms are effective in all situations. Some a-hole hopped up on PCP won't even notice pepper spray. Tasers fail if the perpetrator is wearing heavy clothing like a parka. Only a firearm is capable of 100% effective defense.
Don't drink and do carry a taser and pepper spray. Who thinks my strategy is more effective?
If someone loses their employment becasue this app is misused to punish someone, is the author liable? Common carriers are generally immune to the content passed through them. ISPs are partially immune. But DRM, drug trades, underage porn without due dilligence can get them in trouble. But what about software authors?
At least show both parties are conscious and not unwilling. But I ma not sure how to avoid falsifying consent, say of a stoned person. This app probably just kicks the stone sone the road a little.
I dislike the two-sytem status quo too.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new...
So some guy gets his life ruined by a conspiracy to file false allegations. It's not like the conspirators will be charged with any crime - that might discourage future "victims" (invented or otherwise) from coming forward, right? So why not grant total anonymity to the consipirators with an app like this so that even the *idea* of justice for false-accusation conspirators can never come up?
This disgusting witch hunt needs to end. Feminism 3.0 must die.
You can thank obama:
from an article online " Title IX, the federal law that protects against discrimination in education. Schools are legally required by that law to address sexual harassment and violence on campus, and these activists filed complaints with the federal government about what they describe as lax enforcement by schools. The current administration has taken up the causeâ"the Chronicle of Higher Education describes it as âoea marquee issue for the Obama administrationââ"and praised these young women for spurring political action. âoeA new generation of student activists is effectively pressing for change,â read a statement this spring announcing new policies to address campus violence. The Department of Education has drafted new rules to address womenâ(TM)s safety, some of which have been enshrined into law by Congress, with more legislation likely on the way."
Schools are legally required by that law to address sexual harassment and violence on campus
Then they should do something to address the harassment of male students, including violence threatened and perpetrated if they dare to suggest a "Men's rights" group on campus.
"Even worse, many police and judges buy into this image too." This would fall under the category of false accusation.
Why are rapists getting the chance to be repeat offenders and what can we do about that?
Rapists, especially of minors, deserve the worst our criminal justice system can dish out, more so than your run of the mill murderer, IMO.
I gave your suggestion a shot, and as it turns out the only nonsensical thing here is that you think anyone will listen to you, believe you, or give a shit what you think when you post something like this without any evidence, logic, or basis in fact. In the future, try posting some actual data if you want to not look like a complete tool.
Long story short, you're not very good at this. Drink Coke, Play Again.
"STRAW MAN. 1 : a weak or imaginary opposition (as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted."
Funny, because no one in this comment line has made the argument that false reports don't happen/aren't important. That would make the position suggested imaginary and easily confuted, because we ourselves would argue against those not mattering. As a result, it fits the definition so perfectly that were it any more obvious, it would be used to scare crows.
Do you know the source for those numbers? This could be very useful in future debates.