Slashdot Mirror
Russian Company Unveils Homegrown PC Chips
Reader WheatGrass shares the news from Russia Insider that MCST, Moscow Center of SPARC Technologies, has begun taking orders for Russian-made computer chips, though at least one expert quoted warns that the technology lags five years behind that of western companies; that sounds about right, in that the chips are described as "comparable with Intel Corp’s Core i3 and Intel Core i5 processors." Also from the article: Besides the chips, MCST unveiled a new PC, the Elbrus ARM-401 which is powered by the Elbrus-4C chip and runs its own Linux-based Elbrus operating system. MCST said that other operating systems, including Microsoft’s Windows and other Linux distributions, can be installed on the Elbrus ARM-401. Finally, the company has built its own data center server rack, the Elbrus-4.4, which is powered by four Elbrus-4C microprocessors and supports up to 384GB of RAM.
About time. We can't trust the Asian chips anymore.
At least the Ruskies have good security.
I would, i'd like my spying more diversified rather than having everything i do tracked by a single agency.
I'm confused. What is the architecture of the Elbrus-4C chip? Is it Sparc, Arm, or Intel x86?
I know Russians who are busily working on all sorts of interesting technologies in-house (SCADA, DCS, etc) There seems to be a real fear that if sanctions increase they'll be cut off from technology they need to run their industrial systems. It seems to have sparked a renaissance in the local software community, hell-bent of forging a form of self-reliance. Interesting to see where all this leads.
about time to become independent and make surveillance harder
Most new disruptive technology players start out with an offering that is in some way weaker than incumbent players. But after a few years, having taken some market share and having built up some cash, they end up with an offering that is better than what's available from pre-existing companies.
There's little we couldn't do 5 years ago because of lack CPU power that we can magically do today. Scientific computing included.
....chips overclock *you*!
65nm isn't "competitive". It's 10 years old. It might compete with the original Athlon 64. Certainly not with anything modern.
Hey, I like my AMD A8 laptop. Paid $305 for it 3 years ago. 17.3" of quad core HeaP glory.
...they couldn't replicate an Apple ][ with 64KB of RAM and a 6502 CPU.
So this is quite an advance. Russia has always had trouble bringing forth advanced industrial products like CPUs.
Announcing the product is one thing. Delivering them in quantity is quite another.
I have to wonder if Putin's trade and oil deals with China included some exchange of expertise in digital manufacturing. Also, are the staff of this MCST company Russians or are they recent immigrants from China?
The recent EU/NATO baiting of the Bear has driven Putin into China's arms.
I would, i'd like my spying more diversified rather than having everything i do tracked by a single agency.
Does that mean you'll stop using facebook as well then?
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
If they can compete, good
If they can't, oh well.
https://meduza.io/en/lion/2015...
According to this site, it costs $4,000.
In terms of raw performance ability, AMD still lags a good bit. In terms of performance per $$$ AMD still isn't a bad value.
IMHO for standard consumer and business desktops AMD is still plenty fine. The servers, high-end workstations, and gaming market is where they have issues. They just have no high-performance chips (at any price) to compete in those sectors.
"People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
Plus, they don't have to compete outside of Russia and other ITAR countries.
They only have to be more trustworthy than what can be imported, and "good enough" for the job at hand.
More data, damnit!
Thankfully I don't buy or use prebuilt PC's. And I will not use a motherboard that doesn't allow turning off secure boot.
...that the chip's hard-wired back door leads to an agency using Cyrillic letters for its initials rather than English ones.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Most (sane) people have already. I think still using Facebook tells a lot about you, none of it positive.
The Russians beat us into space, both manned and unmanned, surely the proven spinoffs and benefits of a space program automatically means they should be five years *ahead*?
Pretty irrelevant, seeing as America does not currently have a space program to speak of. We hire Russians to launch us into space now. That is one of the 'benefits' of the Bush administration that got blamed on Obama. One of many actually.
Most (sane) people have already. I think still using Facebook tells a lot about you, none of it positive.
Yeah, it says you share pictures of your vacations with friends and family. What idiot would do that?
I would, I'd like my spying more diversified rather than having everything i do tracked by a single agency.
There's a Russian Facebook, its called VK.com. I would speculate that the spying is on-par with Facebook.
As for end-user features, one of their differentiators is that there's also a music sharing feature where you can share your music with, basically every other VK.com user - not very popular with record labels, I'm sure.
If it acquires resources on instantiation like a duck, then its a shared_ptr<Duck>
We've started developing our own processors too, but since they're made of wood they tend to ignite past 400MHz.
Get free satoshi (Bitcoin) and Dogecoins
The US isn't richer because of it's adventures in Afghanistan and Iraq and Russian won't be richer because of it's adventures in Ukraine, Georgia,etc. It's more likely to be bankrupt or in ruins. Of course by that time there will be no independent journalists to ask questions and everything will be glorious much in the way that it is becoming in Venezuela.
I was getting tired of the NSA back dooring my family, now I can have a choice of if they get digitally molested by the FSB or the NSA?
seeing as America does not currently have a manned space program to speak of.
FTFY.
I won't get into the whole "manned versus unmanned" argument. But I'd point out we "didn't have a manned space program to speak of" from 1975 to 1981--six years. We've been buying rides from the Russians since 2011. SpaceX is expecting to have it's capsule ready for it's first manned mission in 2017, which will be six years from the last Shuttle launch.
Somehow we survived the six years between 1975 and 1981 as a country without a manned spaceflight program. I think we'll probably do it again between 2011 and 2017.
In Putin's Russia... ?
--- Mercutio was right.
I'm *really* curious to know what would happen if China or some other country where we get most of our semiconductors from, for some unknown reason, cuts off production and exports to USA and we were left to fend for ourselves in terms of manufacturing computer hardware and other technology items...
Could US companies feel compelled enough to restart manufacturing back here on US soil and swallow lost profit margins?
Does that mean you'll stop using facebook as well then?
No, because I never started in the first place, thank God. Facebook wasn't even around when I graduated from college.
I can see that math isn't your strong suit. Five bits of data listed, and you only see four.
The more important thing is, you do not value your privacy. Other people do. It is no one's business who I saw on vacation. I may have met a KGB agent, or I may have met my mistress, or I may have talked to a "spiritual advisor", or I may have just basked in the solitude of the wilderness. And - it's no one's business.
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
It would be much easier to invalidate foreign copyrights
In order to do that, you would have to revoke the Berne Convention, and once you do that, you're kicked out of the World Trade Organization. A country that leaves the WTO would have a hard time exporting anything as WTO members enact punitive import duties against that country.
Sharing is double-good!
That should be doubleplusgood, Citizen. Your lack of zeal in learning the appropriate forms of Newspeak have been duly noted here at the Miniluv. You will be contacted.
Some mornings it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints to get out of bed.
Although I am browsing for the components to build a new computer, I am using a machine considerably more than five years old. Performance is acceptable in almost all cases. It is more than adequate for business purposes. The primary reason I am shopping for a new machine, is reliability. The individual components are all past their expected life expectancy. In short, I fully expect it to crash one day in the not-distant future, and never start up again.
Five year old technology would serve me fine, if I could find new components. And, that same technology would serve 90% of the business and home markets as well.
Specifically, I'm running the second incarnation of the Sledgehammer chip. One of the first dual core Opterons. This Opteron is an upgrade - the same motherboard hosted a first generation Sledgehammer before that.
Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 165 /0/4
product: Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 165
vendor: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]
bus info: cpu@0
width: 64 bits
capabilities:
mathematical co-processor,
FPU exceptions reporting,
wp,
virtual mode extensions,
debugging extensions,
page size extensions,
time stamp counter,
model-specific registers,
4GB+ memory addressing (Physical Address Extension),
machine check exceptions,
compare and exchange 8-byte,
on-chip advanced programmable interrupt controller (APIC),
fast system calls,
memory type range registers,
page global enable,
machine check architecture,
conditional move instruction,
page attribute table,
36-bit page size extensions,
clflush,
multimedia extensions (MMX),
fast floating point save/restore,
streaming SIMD extensions (SSE),
streaming SIMD extensions (SSE2),
HyperThreading,
fast system calls,
no-execute bit (NX),
multimedia extensions (MMXExt),
fxsr_opt,
64bits extensions (x86-64),
multimedia extensions (3DNow!Ext),
multimedia extensions (3DNow!),
rep_good,
nopl,
pni,
lahf_lm,
cmp_legacy,
vmmcall
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
It's called data mining. It's a business that you have to learn on your own so don't bother. We can all tell you aren't up for it just from the question you asked.
Ever heard about Intel, and its fabs in AZ, OR, NM? IIRC, even Micron has some memory fabs in ID. Not all chips are made in Taiwan, Korea and China
You don't need a high end chip for gaming though, it's mostly GPU-bound.
I beg to differ. Some very popular games are also very CPU-bound. GTA V, Kerbal Space Program, and Project CARS are three well known titles I can think of off the top of my head that run a lot worse on the Phenom II X6 1045 (2.7GHz hex-core which I overclocked to 3.5GHz) in my secondary gaming machine than on the i7-4970k (4GHz quad-core, not overclocked) in my main desktop. Both machines have SSDs, 32GB of RAM, and GeForce 970 graphics so the CPU is the only significant difference.
AI and physics simulation still lean heavily on the CPU. Here's some benchmarks from Project CARS (which just came out last week) showing how important CPU performance is when simulating 30 cars on the track: http://pclab.pl/art63572-29.ht... (article is in Polish but numbers don't need translation)
I used to get high on life, but I developed a tolerance. Now I need something stronger.
It's worth it to me, because I don't like Intel's past business practices. They have been shitheads worthy of comparison to Microsoft. How 'bout that unique identifier thing? Every time your computer connected to any network, anywhere in the world, the damned CPU offered a unique identifier, unless you knew to turn that identifier off. Anonymous tips to the police? Forget that. Whistleblower hotline? Yeah, sure. Anonymous submissions to an editorial page? That's out of the question. In each instance, the identifier was sent, and the entire world knew exactly where to go to find the "anonymous" whistleblower.
I won't buy an Intel chip, for that and other reasons.
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
Sold to whom, at what price? I want into this market. Tell me where I can sell useless irrelevant information for big bucks.
Sorry, it's actually useful relevant information for small bucks. And you can sell it to the scum of the earth (eg advertisers for targeted ads, spammers, etc).
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
I can see that math isn't your strong suit. Five bits of data listed, and you only see four.
The more important thing is, you do not value your privacy. Other people do. It is no one's business who I saw on vacation. I may have met a KGB agent, or I may have met my mistress, or I may have talked to a "spiritual advisor", or I may have just basked in the solitude of the wilderness. And - it's no one's business.
It's not a question of "valuing your privacy" so much as "who gives a fart?" Stuff you want private you don't share. 3 people can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead.
Or just don't do anything you would want your kids to read on the front page of the New York Times, which is always good advice to follow.
The alternative is to do the same thing as the protagonist in John Varley's "Press ENTER . . ." You'll have your privacy, but you'll pay too much of a price.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Facebook doesn't know about my trip because I didn't post about it. My credit card knows a fair amount about it because I don't usually conduct all of my business exclusively in cash. Oddly, I hear a lot more people complaining about Facebook than I do about the massive datamining that credit companies do.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Too bad they didn't figure out that the shuttle was way more expensive per kilo to orbit than the Saturn V.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Windows 10 makes the user-configuration toggle optional. On a PC, Microsoft allows manufacturers to choose whether or not a user can disable Secure Boot.
So just choose a manufacturer and model that lets you disable secure boot.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Wow. I owe you. 'Press ENTER' by John Varley. I read this story many moons ago. I was impressed with it. Loved it, in fact. I remember the story. I've looked for it. I couldn't remember the title for certain, and entirely forgot the author's name. I've gone so far as to tell the story in a much abbreviated fashion to other Sci-Fi readers - and they couldn't name the story or the author.
When you named it, I went looking for it. Not available on Kindle, or anyplace else I checked - not in electronic format, anyway. So, I looked in the usual piracy places.
Yeah - I'm re-reading it now.
Want to know more? Press ENTER.
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
I believe every spy agency has their penis firmly inserted into Facebook. And Facebook likes it.
Sleep your way to a whiter smile...date a dentist!
Every time your computer connected to any network, anywhere in the world, the damned CPU offered a unique identifier, unless you knew to turn that identifier off.
Just run Linux.
plenty of people..
but comparable how? speed?(unlikely?)
it runs the same software? more likely.
why would you build a datacenter out of them though? to get arond hw backdoors and import restrictions? sounds like the only reason. then again, if they're getting fabbed in taiwan the backdoor reason goes out of the door.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Tough shit. It is not my duty to inform government on my activities. If government believes that I might be meeting with a KGB agent, then government can get a damned warrant, and begin tracking me. Government may not have a blanket warrant to place every citizen under constant surveillance, 24/7 for the rest of eternity.
Only if, and only when, I have engaged in some suspicious activity which has caught the attention of a government agent should government gain any prerogatives regarding surveillance.
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
What about RAM? Hard disks? Network chips?
So many names in summary/article. Is it SPARC architecture? ARM architecture? Or a different one?
you just spread propaganda - and lie,lie,lie
There is actually more fascism and nazizm in Russia than in Ukraina.
Just call it what is (nacionalism, socialism, strong fuehrer Putin).
Ukraina was repressed nad robbed by Russia-installed puppet Yanukovych - people were seeing how Poland improved since it got away from Moscow's leash and wanted the same from Ukraina.
Intel was significantly ahead of everyone else. Then AMD provided better performance per dollar even at a larger process size by choosing a better design. Then Intel beat them again. Next, ARM was suddenly outselling both when performance- per-watt became the key yardstick. Things change in the CPU market.
Ten years from now, 64-core processors may be competing against 128-core processors and there's no guarantee that either Intel or ARM would have the best design. Mybe in ten years it'll be all about not RISC vs CISC but EIS, Expanded Instruction Set.
Consider also the transition to 64-bit. Intel developed the Itanium. AMD choose to extend i386 with amd64. Intel ended up losing big time - they had to give up on Itanium and start naking AMD-compatible chips. There's no reason to think they won't make a similar mistake again.
Idiot sheep detector overload.
Intel was significantly ahead of everyone else.
Was? They still are!
Indeed. 5 years are not much these days, as CPU advances have massively slowed down in the last 10 years or so. These will be perfectly fine for most applications. They might be not competitive on price, but when you want to avoid NSA backdoors in your CPUs (and at least Intel decidedly has them), making them yourself or in a trusted venue is the only option.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
5 years is not much these days for CPUs. Since AMD does not threaten Intel enough anymore, not much has happened in the last 5 years.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
No. They are catching up, but they are behind in almost all aspects of CPU design. The only thing that saves them is that they have better manufacturing processes and that many people are willing to pay insane prices for Intel.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Same here. And it will be interesting to see whether this gets MS another threat of a few billion in penalties from the EU anti-trust people. The last time it did not because the tablets were regarded as dedicated devices. A PC is not.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Most (sane) people have already. I think still using Facebook tells a lot about you, none of it positive.
The reason I use Facebook is because it's clear off privacy-crazy "i know better than you" neckbeards. Not using Facebook while being computer literate tells a lot about you, none of it positive. Let me be clear: No, I don't care if my software is free. No, I don't care if Facebook sells the data I upload. Because the benefit of having software that works and connecting with friends respectively is higher than any small price.
No, they are again. During the Pentium 4 era, they were behind on pretty much every metric. They only survived because of name recognition and AMD not having the production capacity to take more than about 20% of the market share. At the mid to low end, an Athlon system with the same performance was cheaper than anything Intel sold. At the high end, Opterons were roundly trouncing Xeons in absolute performance and performance per dollar.
The Pentium M was when it started to turn around for Intel - the laptop market started to grow rapidly and AMD was only just competitive on performance per Watt, but didn't have the laptop motherboard makers onboard. With the Core 2, Intel retook the performance crown.
I am TheRaven on Soylent News
So just choose a manufacturer and model that lets you disable secure boot.
Those who receive a PC as a gift do not have this choice.
Thankfully I don't buy or use prebuilt PC's.
Do you build your own laptops? If not, how do you manage to abstain from using laptops entirely?
This is just like the old days where everyone (except the rich) in Russia got inferior quality (and quantity) stuff to avoid the evil western companies run by their evil capitalist masters. Now mind you, the moment the government stopped enforcing that restriction, it was as though floodgates had opened, but I'm sure this new era of restrictions will enjoy some popularity for a little while. Once that's over, few will have the guts to complain openly.
-- "Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
American components, Russian Components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!
It is better to be the hammer than the anvil.
About time. We can't trust the Asian chips anymore.
At least the Ruskies have good security.
What would make chips from this Asian country (Russia) inherently better than chips from another Asian country? And yes, given that nearly 1/3 of Asia is Russian territory it should be safe to call Russia an Asian country.
Geographically, it might be in Asia, but culturally, the majority of people aren't. And even if that weren't the case, what the hell does it mean Asian? Central Asian? Far East Asian? Siberian? Those three grossly oversimplified labels apply to Russia (and many other former USSR states for that matter.) Grossly oversimplified as they are, these stand for significantly different things.
And we are only discussing the Asian'ness of Russia, without even entering into the whole continent? Asian as in the Near East/Asia Minor? Central Asia as in Iran or Kazakhstan or Mongolia (the later, culturally, is a Central Asian nation)? Far East as in China, the Korean Peninsula or Japan? Japan in many ways is a unique Western Country, or a country whose Asian'ness is no longer in tandem with what 'Far East Asia' embodies. And we are not even touching South East Asia and South Asia at all.
Russia escapes such ridiculous descriptions. For all practical purposes, culturally, politically and economically, it is a European country. It is not a Western country, but neither is most of Eastern Europe.
And the term "Asian" means so many things that by itself, it almost means nothing.
You're welcome. I have a copy floating around here in a sci-fi anthology that I think I paid between $2 and $5 since it was "old stock". Worth every penny.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
This chip is interesting... it runs VLIW, SPARC instructions, as well as translates X86-AMD64 as well.
Four 800 MHz cores are OK, but not exactly barnburners.
What interests me is the fact that the chip can run different sets of instructions. What this means is that I can slap a hypervisor on it and have it run either Solaris SPARC stuff or x86 VMs.
It is no one's business who I saw on vacation. I may have met a KGB agent, or I may have met my mistress, or I may have talked to a "spiritual advisor", or I may have just basked in the solitude of the wilderness. And - it's no one's business.
If you're stupid enough to post on the internet that you met a KGB agent or your mistress. it serves you right if you get into trouble with the government or your wife. As for the others, who would even care?
If I didn't want facebook to know any of those things, then I just wouldn't post them on my fucking facebook page.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
It is not my duty to inform government on my activities
But if you published details of your spying activities on the internet, you'd seriously expect the government to somehow ignore it?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
I give every company a different email address and my Facebook one doesn't get spam. Just because you can dream up some crazy scenario doesn't prove it, especially in the face of conflicting evidence.
Mostly FB shows me ads for crap I've already decided not to buy at online retailers. If Big Data were any good they'd detect my "this is crap" browsing patterns and not waste their money on it.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
So your evidence that targeted ads are a failure, is that they mostly show you ads for stuff you've considered buying.
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
Uhhhm. Think about this a second. IT ISN'T JUST FACEBOOK! Take at least a second to think. Maybe 60, or 600 seconds?
You're right - if I post information to a site which is known to be non-private, and expect it to remain private, then I am indeed an idiot.
But, what has been publicized? NSA intercepts EVERYTHING that the largest telcos carry. If it's digital, and it crosses Verizon's wires, it's intercepted. The metadata is recorded, and stored. EVERYTHING! Not just the shit I post or don't post to Facebook, but everything. Personal correspondence with the doctor, the preacher, teachers, shrinks, girlfriend, wife, mistress, with the children, with Amazon, Newegg, TigerDirect, Motorcyclesuperstore, Bikebandit, the motorcycle forums, PCoverclocker, hacking-lab, the employer, potential employers, potential educational institutions - EVERYTHING!
In short, we all live under a microscope, with the largest battery of computers and spying programs in the history of mankind collecting data about us.
And, I don't like that one bit. Congress doesn't have that right. Corporations don't have that right. The courts don't have that right. No individual, no agency, no construct made by mankind has that right.
Yeah, sure, Facebook is mentioned specifically - but Facebook is just part of the whole problem. Your government efffectively monitors your communications 24/7. And, I'm not aware of any sure method of evading that monitoring. There is no known proxy method, with or without encryption, that guarantees that you can evade the monitoring.
And, I resent that as much as I've ever resented anything in my life.
The day that I might actually DO SOMETHING that seems suspicious, "they" will pick through everything that is known about me, searching for ways to embarrass, discredit, and to convict me of some multitude of crimes, most of which are preposterous.
But all their preposterous accusations will be doublegood doublespeak.
Remember 'Running Man'? Just edit some video footage, and you can prove anything at all.
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
Okay, Elbrus has been a Russian artifact for pretty much all of its 40-something years of existence.
They've always been "Last decade's technology! TOMORROW! (We hope!)"
Like every other aspect of Russian engineering, they talk a good game and throw out a slick demo unit now and again.
But being competitive in a production environment? Pfft!
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Since the KGB ceased to exist years ago the existence of a time machine would certainly be a National Security issue. . .
"Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
I use a Phenom II 940 which is two generation and 4.5 years newer than your Opteron 165 (90nm, 65nm, 45nm) but still considered obsolete. The only application where I wish for more performance is gaming.
And I'm horrified about that because.... oh yeah, I'm not. I took advantage of a free service that HAS TO MAKE MONEY SOMEHOW.
I subtly put an important point in ALL CAPs, just so you might pick up on it.
Probably the same idiots who use Google services and then are shocked when, mysteriously, they see targeted ads.
Welcome to the last 10 years.
So just choose a manufacturer and model that lets you disable secure boot.
Those who receive a PC as a gift do not have this choice.
And? Most people won't care, or even notice. Those who care tend to buy their own computers.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
They give me more, and get paid much more. My Facebook has about as much information on it as one of my old instant messaging accounts did. It gives you rope to hang yourself with. Doesn't mean you have to use it.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
The answer is simple: they will not. Today the price of an office workstation is 200000 roubles = 5000 dollars. They are marketing these computers for government and military only. The phrase “This chip has been designed for everything connected with the extremely critical applications, such as military, information security, governance” means it is too expensive for anybody else.
You can also see benchmarks here (in Russian, scroll down to table).
Except cooking eggs.
I've got one of those Alienware M7700 clones. There's more copper in it than a plumber's van and enough fans to make a normal laptop hover. And boy, it needs them.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I had a housemate who had a P4 laptop. That machine was an absolute triumph of optimism over engineering. Fortunately, the thermal throttling in the P4 worked pretty well, so it didn't get too warm, it just got really, really slow...
I am TheRaven on Soylent News