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Closing This Summer: Verizon To Scoop Up AOL For $4.4 Billion

MojoKid writes with this excerpt from Hot Hardware: We learned this weekend that AOL's dial-up business still has over 2 million customers who pay on average just under $21 per month for service. Regardless of how strange that seems to those of us that salivate over the prospects of gigabit Internet, folks are still clinging to 56k modems are adding millions to AOL's bottom line. However, also recall that AOL has a massive digital advertising platform with a heavy focus on the mobile sector and also owns a wealth of popular web destinations including Engadget, TechCrunch, and The Huffington Post. With this in mind, it shouldn't be too surprising that Verizon has offered AOL a marriage proposal. Verizon is acquiring AOL for an estimated $50 per share, which brings the total value of the transaction to $4.4 billion. Here are stories from The New York Times, NBC News, and NPR on the proposed sale, which it's worth noting isn't yet final, and is subject to regulatory approval.

153 comments

  1. AOL is still around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe Verizon can restart AOL's CD mailing service. They made pretty good coasters. And good fireworks shows when put in he microwave. Hehehe.

    1. Re:AOL is still around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember when AOL came on floppies. Now that was something useful: reformat and have a new floppy disk for free!

    2. Re:AOL is still around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      AOL is still around because some of us cling to old technologies because they work better. MP3s downloaded from dial up sound warmer than ones downloaded through an ethernet cable. Sometimes it is worth the wait.

    3. Re:AOL is still around? by sizzzzlerz · · Score: 2

      You obviously weren't using these cables. They'll give you the warm, rich sound you've been looking for.

    4. Re:AOL is still around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      When floppies started going away, AOL started shipping their software on CDs.

      That was their downfall. They should have shipped CD-RWs.

    5. Re:AOL is still around? by NormAtHome · · Score: 2

      My thought exactly.

      And yet they do, much to the consternation of any IT or tech savvy people who have to work on peoples computers that has that AOL crap software AND the people have Verizon FIOS, Comcast, Cablevision or Optonline and yet they still insist on using that dreadful, horrible, useless AOL software rather than a modern browser like Chrome or FireFox.

    6. Re:AOL is still around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I pay for an AOL account. It's for my Mom in rural Montana. I've tried to explain to her that she can use my Dad's local dialup account, use Gmail, and save me $35/month but they just don't grasp that you can share a dialup but keep mail separate.

      I got a letter in the mail from her once. Inside was a funny email someone sent her. She printed it out. Put it in an envelope. With a stamp. And mailed it to me.

      Hopefully my own children will put me in a home with I get that way.

    7. Re: AOL is still around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your mom is ultra hipster! Snail mailing an Email is so meta it caused my mustache to uncurl!

    8. Re:AOL is still around? by NormAtHome · · Score: 1

      btw I realize that the AOL program actually incorporates Internet Explorer but I'm not a fan of IE and pretty much tell everyone to use FireFox or Chrome.

  2. Way to improve Verizon's brand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not

    1. Re:Way to improve Verizon's brand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, at least now Verizon customers can get this cheery new ringtone on their phones: "You've got mail!"

  3. "clinging to dialup" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody clings to dialup, broadband not available in some places.

    1. Re:"clinging to dialup" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But companies like Verizon would love to go back to the days when 56k was broadband. They could charge tons and tons more for service.

    2. Re:"clinging to dialup" by Megane · · Score: 3, Funny

      In other news, 50,000 grandmas will now have to find a new dial-up service.

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    3. Re:"clinging to dialup" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other news, 50,000 grandmas will now be force upselled to cell phone hotspots for their internet which they probably don't need for costs that are unreasonable.

    4. Re:"clinging to dialup" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In 2015?

    5. Re:"clinging to dialup" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not just grandmas. I work for a high-end web dev company in Seattle, and almost a third of my coworkers still have @aol.com addresses. I do too because dial-up is the only option where I live. Plus, it's nice to have had the same email address for nearly twenty years.

    6. Re:"clinging to dialup" by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      I think there are a lot of AOL customers who don't actually use their service, but for some reason think they need to keep paying to use the internet or to keep their AOL email address. People seem to forget how prominent the AOL brand was back in the day. It was the first internet provider for a lot of people and among the less savvy computer users it wouldn't surprise me if they think of AOL as the internet and something that they need to keep paying for so their broadband connection will work.

      Most people who are stuck on dial-up are probably going through a local telco rather than a big-name provider. Up until a few years ago my parents who live in the country were still using dial-up access from the local co-op because that's all that was available. They could have conceivably used AOL, but would have had to pay long-distance charges.

    7. Re:"clinging to dialup" by R.Mo_Robert · · Score: 1

      It's not just grandmas. I work for a high-end web dev company in Seattle, and almost a third of my coworkers still have @aol.com addresses. I do too because dial-up is the only option where I live. Plus, it's nice to have had the same email address for nearly twenty years.

      You (and they) know you can keep your aol.com e-mail address if you cancel your paid dial-up service, right? I understand you apparently have other reasons to keep it, but...

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    8. Re:"clinging to dialup" by NulDevice · · Score: 1

      Yep, in 2015.

      My parents live about 5mi outside a tourist town in rural WI, and their only broadband option is data-capped satellite, and even that was prohibitively expensive until last year. The local Big Telco (VZ) stated definitively that "it wasn't worth the investment" to run the lines and hardware outside of the city limits, and the smaller local telcos don't have the money to do it (a few experimented with wireless and a few other ideas, but the heavy foresting and hilly terrain make stuff like that a challenge).

      Meanwhile literally hundreds of resorts and vacation spots can't get broadband. It's demonstrably hurting the local economy.

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  4. $21 paid to AOL by Crashmarik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    $100 for a 56k modem

    Not having to talk to Comcast PRICELESS

    1. Re:$21 paid to AOL by westlake · · Score: 1

      $100 for a 56K modem

      The USB modem at Amazon.com is $10-$20 and works just fine with your Win 8, Mac or Linux system.

    2. Re:$21 paid to AOL by schlachter · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not being ABLE to talk to Comcast...because you're modem is taking up the phone line...PRICELESS?

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    3. Re:$21 paid to AOL by dryeo · · Score: 1, Informative

      Not really. Don't know about Mac or Win8 but do know about Win7 and the last couple of Ubuntu releases (it's hard to acquire Linux on dial-up).
      Win7 does handle the USB modem fine but the sharing your connection has changed to sharing your connection with another Win7 computer. No more basic NAT like XP had.
      Ubuntu doesn't even ship with a dial-up client so ideally you have to figure out what deb you need and figure out how to download it. If your knowledgeable and know how to set up PAP secrets, the chat stuff and how to add users to the dial-up group you should be able to dial in with pon. Unluckily it seems quite broken in recent releases, last time it would dial in during boot and have a good connection which could be shared but I could never re-dial in. Of course you also have to figure out what device that USB modem is and how to symlink it to /dev/modem or whatever you have to do this year as /dev seems to be in a permanent state of flux.
      My theory with Linux is that all the developers have a good connection so dial-up is never really tested anymore.
      Here my dial-up serves ~4 devices so NAT is important and it is nice to auto-dial and hang up after a few minutes of inactivity.

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    4. Re:$21 paid to AOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are you talking about the popular one from Lenovo? If so, you might want to considering buying an old USR Courier. We get better connection rates at work with our Couriers. I work in downtown Seattle, so other than an expensive T1, dial-up is our only option. We share five phone lines between over twenty people so faster connection speeds are critical.

    5. Re:$21 paid to AOL by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      Downloading a copy of Grand Theft Auto V in just a little over 1,030 hours... err... maybe Comcast isn't quite so bad as all that.

    6. Re:$21 paid to AOL by dryeo · · Score: 1

      I had a USR Robotics USB Modem that worked as well as my Sportster until a power failure took it out. Now I have a computer with a serial port and an old Sportster.
      I'll note that I once picked up an AOL branded external modem, total piece of crap and would quicky train down to about a 0kb connection. Was lucky to load one page. So in rural areas it is worth getting a good modem.

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  5. I still have dial-up by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    Though not with AOL. I don't use it often but its simply there as an emergency backup to our unreliable cable broadband service which seems to go down about 1 or 2 days a month with no explanation or apology.

    1. Re:I still have dial-up by SumDog · · Score: 1

      I have a Vivid ViViFi adapter for that. Their an Australian company that uses Wi-Max (Sprint's old 4G protocol; although at a different frequency so you can't use old Sprint hardware). You can pay when connecting if you need some emergency GB when your Internet goes down. In the US, I just use to tether via Sprint (I had an unlimited plan, but that was 3 years ago so I'm pretty sure that plan is gone now).

    2. Re:I still have dial-up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have relatives that live too far out in the country for cable or DSL. Their dialup still works fine.

    3. Re:I still have dial-up by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      My DSL provider actually provides free dialup with every account, for emergencies and/or if you're on the road and just need to check your mail or something. I didn't even know about it until I saw a mention of it in some obscure corner of their website. Tried it for a laugh and hey, it worked! :P

  6. Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    Yeah, this is the same AOL who 'bought' Time Warner when they were massively overly valued in the dot com silliness, using over-inflated funny-money stocks.

    Time Warner couldn't puke them out fast enough to get them off their back, because AOL was so grossly inflated in value it wasn't funny.

    I sincerely hope from what I've heard of Verizon that they choke on AOL like Time Warner did.

    Honestly, is AOL worth $4.4 billion? Someone better be doing some proper due diligence on this one.

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    1. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Informative

      Honestly, is AOL worth $4.4 billion? Someone better be doing some proper due diligence on this one.

      With annual revenue of $2.5 billion, probably. Seriously, this is something you could have checked out.

      After dialup disappeared, AOL had plenty of cash in the bank. So they became a type of venture capital. They bought Huffington Post, Tech Crunch and many others. Since they actually have a lot of web traffic, they started an advertising business.

      If you consider that Google and Facebook are essentially ad companies, with ad networks that span far beyond their own website, AOL is another one. Any time you see a video ad on the internet, there's a decent chance it's from AOL (but please use adblock, malware gets into those things).

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    2. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Honestly, after AOL purchased Time Warner for $160 billion or so of what everybody knew at the time was grossly overrated stock, AOL is not an entity I've kept tabs on.

      At the time that was happening everybody was like "wait, Time Warner has publishing, TV, print media, movies, and AOL has ... email?".

      Which means an awful lot of people were shaking their heads and thinking some executives had lost their mind, and that AOL had pulled off a massive scam .. which Time Warner came to realize.

      Well, if AOL is an ad network, it's yet another reason why I know nothing about them and will block anything from them I see. Because I block all ads wherever I can.

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    3. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Informative

      Honestly, after AOL purchased Time Warner for $160 billion or so of what everybody knew at the time was grossly overrated stock, AOL is not an entity I've kept tabs on.

      Google finance is your friend. Any time you want to know if a company is worth their stock price, check out their revenue and profits.

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    4. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by omnichad · · Score: 2

      At the time that was happening everybody was like "wait, Time Warner has publishing, TV, print media, movies, and AOL has ... email?".

      At the time, I was thinking AOL only thinks of the Internet as "content" rather than a global interconnected network. And it's become even more true today to the average consumer. Buying a content company is a lot more logical than you would think - but they were a bit early, considering they had dial-up to work with.

    5. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by gstoddart · · Score: 0

      Yeah, thanks ... I know ... it was a rhetorical statement. I just don't care what they're worth.

      Stock valuations have been available on the intertubes since ... well, since AOL was relevant.

      So, your pedantry meets my indifference to what AOL is worth, because I don't give a damn.

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    6. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Funny

      So you're basically just bloviating. Fair enough/

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    7. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      After dialup disappeared, AOL had plenty of cash in the bank. So they became a type of venture capital. They bought Huffington Post, Tech Crunch and many others. Since they actually have a lot of web traffic, they started an advertising business.

      Thank you for this explanation. I was really struggling to understand why Verizon would want to pay so much for the dial up business but clearly they want everything else and are just taking the dial up business as part of a complete package, not specifically trying to get that.

    8. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Yeah. The dialup is basically "a bit of free cash while it lasts."

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    9. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Revenue != profits.

      AOL profit is ~$110 million per quarter (95% of the profit is from DIAL UP revenue). So they are spending $4.4 BILLION to get ~$460 MILLION in cash every year plus any cash AOL has ($200 million). It will take 9-10 years to get a return on the $4.4 billion.

      It is a poor deal for Verizon, but I'm sure they think they can strip it down and sell it off to the next sucker and trade a few board seats.

    10. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and many others. ...

      Such as:

      >> Engadget was the largest blog in Weblogs, Inc., a blog network with over 75 weblogs including Autoblog and Joystiq. Weblogs Inc. was purchased by AOL in October 2005 for a reported $25 million.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weblogs,_Inc.

    11. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So are you. AOL's "advertising business" and "web traffic" business is worthless. They have never made a profit on it. The ONLY profit they have is from the dial up business.

    12. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by gfxguy · · Score: 2

      Yup... I work for Turner Broadcasting, which was bought shortly after I started by Time Warner, which was bought shortly after that by AOL. I was really in disbelief at the time... AOL had no appreciative assets - they had computer infrastructure, and we all know how fast computer hardware depreciates - and they had customers. And that's it. Depreciating hardware and customer numbers that were already dropping like a rock. They tried to make us all use AOL software, but there was too much push-back. After using their over-inflated stock price to buy a company with actual assets, they eventually dropped AOL from the AOL-Time Warner name, pushed it to the side, and let languish. I'm surprised they've managed to hold on this long.

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    13. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So are you. AOL's "advertising business" and "web traffic" business is worthless. They have never made a profit on it. The ONLY profit they have is from the dial up business.

      They made $133.50M in gross profit (not revenues, profits - revenues were $625.10 in the same period) in the first three months this year from dial-up? Really?

    14. Re: Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I always thought the model for the value of a company was 1x revenue or 10x net, with consideration for where it was expected to be in the future.

      If I'm right (I may not be) , it's over valued, though I may be under estimating growth potential.

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    15. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by quenda · · Score: 1

      With annual revenue of $2.5 billion, probably.

      That page shows net income of $120m in the last year, so a P/E over 36, or 2.7% yield. Must be a growth stock.

    16. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by iamgnat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At the time that was happening everybody was like "wait, Time Warner has publishing, TV, print media, movies, and AOL has ... email?".

      At the time, I was thinking AOL only thinks of the Internet as "content" rather than a global interconnected network. And it's become even more true today to the average consumer. Buying a content company is a lot more logical than you would think - but they were a bit early, considering they had dial-up to work with.

      I was an employee at the time and you partially hit the nail on the head there.

      Steve Case was by far the best CEO I've ever worked under. Both naturally charismatic and a strong long term vision. As far back as the Q-Link days he never wanted to be a service provider or a technology company. He wanted to create a new medium for people to get their content and us buying TW was supposed to be the realization of that idea.

      Unfortunately Steve had no idea what he was getting into going up against the entrenched old media execs and his allowing them to retain some control was AOL's undoing.

      At the time of the purchase teams at AOL had developed working POCs for streaming music and video delivery that worked with minimal buffering at 19.2k while retaining good quality (of course that was before HD took off). What Apple did with the iTunes store we had done long before. All we needed was the keys to the TW media kingdom and the digital media landscape would have looked a lot different. We all know what old-media thinks about digital content though...

      Steve's last misguided act in the saga was to sacrifice himself to get Ted Turner out, but there was no one that ever replaced Steve's drive and passion and TW took more and more control.

      Contrary to gstoddart's uneducated understanding of things, AOL was the only profitable (mostly due to the dialup income) portion of TW after history had been re-written. TW bled the money out and into other money pits until there was nothing left and they finally let AOL go.

      AOL always got a bad rap and many of my co-workers were afraid to admit they worked there. It was a good company that filled it's role very well. It was never a service meant for those with technical ability. It was meant for those that barely wanted to know what a computer was and it served them very well. It saddens me still how things turned out and that they've fallen into typical flailing around that many companies seem to do these days when trying to chase short term profits.

    17. Re: Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I always thought the model for the value of a company was 1x revenue or 10x net, with consideration for where it was expected to be in the future.

      That sounds reasonable, though right now returns are depressed so a lot of people are willing to put up with 13x net in a low-growth stock.

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    18. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by ubrgeek · · Score: 2

      The deal, done over the weekend by staff sequestered in two floors of an office building, was seen by those of us at TW as being no different than the Excite@Home merger. TW's Road Runner service would have access to more content than had previously been available via TW's Pathfinder service (when we were even allowed access to that stuff.) Myself and a few others pushed and pushed for Road Runner to make a deal with AOL for their content and were repeatedly told it would never happen. So instead we created our own. Hell, at one point we contemplated creating our own instant-messaging client.

      The biggest is that TW was (is? No idea. Haven't been there in more than a decade) so stove-piped we knew the merger was doomed to fail. One example was when RR - the cable modem business - temporarily risked losing the "right" to use the cartoon character's likeness because the other part of TW that controls cartoons (Warner Bros? Don't remember) didn't like that we were doing things like using "Beep! Beep!" in our ads ... the official, trademarked term is "Meep! Beep!"

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    19. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      One example was when RR - the cable modem business - temporarily risked losing the "right" to use the cartoon character's likeness because the other part of TW that controls cartoons (Warner Bros? Don't remember) didn't like that we were doing things like using "Beep! Beep!" in our ads ... the official, trademarked term is "Meep! Beep!"

      A little crazy, considering Beep Beep is literally a title of one of the cartoons.

      But as far as I can tell, they don't have anything registered as a trademark. While the sound is closer to "Meep Meep" I've only ever seen it written as "Beep Beep" even in the cartoons themselves.

    20. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. ALL of their profit was in "Member Services" (dialup). If you don't believe me, go look at the earning reports. They lost money on their ad platforms. They always do.

    21. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's plenty of profit to be made here - by the executives and the wall street financiers. Not so much for the stockholders.

    22. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly correct. This is why I don't invest in tech companies.

    23. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AOL was fun to work for. Fridges stocked with beer and wine...

    24. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by steelfood · · Score: 1

      The AOL/TW merger was too little, too erly. It was too little in that AOL didn't take enough control of TW. It was too early in that traditional media didn't start dying until long after Case left. Once traditional media began its slow but inevitable decline, Case could've finally taken the reins over and mandated the switch to internet-based media distribution. But by then, it was too late. The TW folks had taken back control of the board and it was all downhill from there. Specifically, I should say the Warner folks (like Ted Turner), because both HBO and TWC were Time Inc subsidiaries prior to the Time Inc/Warner Communications merger, and they were the most tech-oriented of all the divisions outside of AOL in the 00's.

      Of course, Case wasn't the first person to make the mistake of trying to leverage the content of Warner Communications (now Time Warner). When it comes to regressive thinking and implementation, you just can't beat Hollywood executives.

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    25. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "revenue of ..."

      Whoop-a-dee doo.

      Revenue is not profit. Your link shows they had a net income of only 120 million. At that rate it'll take 34 years to make back the investment. Are you really going to argue that this was a good get?

    26. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I seem to recall all the TW people were absolutely shocked by your lack of ethics.

    27. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by iamgnat · · Score: 1

      It was too early in that traditional media didn't start dying until long after Case left. Once traditional media began its slow but inevitable decline, Case could've finally taken the reins over and mandated the switch to internet-based media distribution.

      I don't think so, just look at how they are still fighting it while the rest of the world now knows that the "war" is over and digital media won. Rather than embrace it and figure out how to improve their customer's lives with a quality product, they instead continue to invest in DRM schemes that are broken almost as fast as they are released and try to demand that people pay to use content that they have already paid for in another format.

      You are right about allowing them too much control though. Up until then all of AOL's acquisitions went smoothly and were done more like friends shaking hands than a typical corporate buyout (hostile or not). All the earlier pick ups were other small agile companies similar (in personality) to AOL itself though. AOL tried to treat TW the same way which was a big mistake. I suspect TW knew how naive AOL was and took advantage of that from the beginning.

    28. Re:Ah ... AOL .. so overrated ... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      They have a new marketing plan. They are going to mail out DVDs with AOL software on them.

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  7. Timewarner by SumDog · · Score: 1

    An "AOL Time Warner company" .. oh everything old is new again!! :)

  8. Ah yes, the days of shopping at CompUSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And have the AOL install disks (usually there were two, for no apparent reason) falling out of the shopping bag.

    1. Re:Ah yes, the days of shopping at CompUSA by Aereus · · Score: 1

      Don't remind me of the horrors of WORKING at CompUSA and having to restock that giant aisle of floppy disks every week...

  9. Crappy service by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

    Great! Now I can have dial-up and crappy service rolled into one!

    1. Re:Crappy service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AOL didn't need to be bought by Verizon to provide crappy service. They've been masters of that for decades.

  10. In other news, AOL still exists by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

    And is still worth *$4 BILLION* apparently.

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    1. Re:In other news, AOL still exists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Circa 2000 I registered a free email address @netscape.net. It's been a redirect to @aol.com for ages, but I still use it as my throwaway.

  11. The first salvo against Net Neutrality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Net Neutrality rules require carriers to treat everyone's content like everyone else's - you can't throttle or restrict traffic based on who it comes from or where it's going.

    However, as I read them, the rules are less clear on what content PROVIDERS can do with their own content. And Verizon just bought (primarily) a bunch of content.

    I can't charge extra to carry certain content? Fine. Now I buy the content, and change how it's delivered. I have "Huffington Post Free Edition," with limitations on speed, multi-media content, etc. Then, as an EXCLUSIVE offer to Verizon customers, I have "Huffington Post Express," which is the full site delivered at an actually useful speed. If Time Warner Cable wants to get the "real" Huffington Post (i.e. the "Express" edition) delivered to their customers, they have to license it.

    Hey, presto! A world where the network providers actually CAN charge to deliver content preferentially. All it needs is for them to own the content in the first place.

    I predict we'll see a lot more of these vertical mergers of content providers and networks, and there will be an increasing wave of "subscribers only" offers in the near future.

    1. Re:The first salvo against Net Neutrality? by SpockLogic · · Score: 2

      I predict we'll see a lot more of these vertical mergers of content providers and networks, and there will be an increasing wave of "subscribers only" offers in the near future.

      None will benefit the consumer.

    2. Re:The first salvo against Net Neutrality? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      You just made the case for what I have been proposing for a long long time. The problem isn't a network problem, it is a captive last mile customer base problem. Change that dynamic (last mile) and you change the world.

      Each Municipality should build out its own last mile infrastructure to a COLO facilty and then companies like Comcast, Netflix and Time-Warner can find creative ways of providing services the customer (us) actually want. As long as the BIGTELCO companies have a captive audience, then we (the "customers") are actually the product.

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    3. Re:The first salvo against Net Neutrality? by Blrfl · · Score: 1

      You sound a lot like me in 1998.

      I doubt this will happen any time soon, but it really is going to be the way to go. The same model worked great for long-distance service.

    4. Re:The first salvo against Net Neutrality? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      I predict HuffPo will tell us how awesome that is, too.

    5. Re:The first salvo against Net Neutrality? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      The Beauty of my solution is that it would simply take one municipality to pull this off, and make it work. Even if the big Cable/Telco companies didn't want to play, smaller more nimble companies would swoop in and provide new and interesting offerings. Unlike my current provider of content, which insists that a few dozen Shopping channels might be enough.

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    6. Re:The first salvo against Net Neutrality? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Some of us enjoy not living in a 'municipality'.

  12. Are they actually dialing up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...or are they attached to their email address? I have "dial-up" through Earthlink, but only to keep the email address alive.

    1. Re:Are they actually dialing up... by Aereus · · Score: 1

      I finally got my dad to stop paying full price for his dialup account almost 15 years after he got cable internet. He now pays $3/mo through the same provider for just a "business email account" that forwards his old address (which was his sticking point). And the kicker—they had long since given up on updating the old email service, so it still only had 25 MEGABYTES of storage space. The new account has like 10GB and is probably ran through the Gmail backend. He still couldn't tell the difference when I asked him if he was logging into his email via the web login or the standalone email application though, of course.

    2. Re:Are they actually dialing up... by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      AOL will allow one to convert a paid account to a free one when one cancels --- one keeps all one's old e-mail addresses, and they've increased the number of free ones allowed per account so one doesn't have to delete any.

      I had a paid dial-up for a long, long while and would probably still have it if they hadn't cancelled the members.aol.com webhosting --- if they'd charged for that separately and maintained it, I'd still have it.

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    3. Re:Are they actually dialing up... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      I think I still have a free account. I vaguely remember them talking me into it back when I got broadband at the turn of the century. I don't remember what my username was.

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  13. AOL? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 3, Funny

    Lucky for Verizon, AOL's 56k isn't that much slower than their supposed "broadband" DSL.

    1. Re:AOL? by omnichad · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Verizon is rolling backwards in technology. First, they stopped rolling out new FiOS. Then, they forced their remaining customers onto Uverse with a flawed modem. Now, they're giving up and rolling all the way back to dial-up. Probably gaining mostly customers who chose AOL so they wouldn't have to deal with Verizon.

      Seriously, the NVG510 modem they rolled out for Uverse has a flaw that blocks the Internet from working for hours or days at a time and redirects all web traffic to an error page. There is a workaround involving rooting the modem and changing some settings and DNS servers, but the only firmware updates Verizon has put out are to block people from rooting the modem.

    2. Re:AOL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go buy your own modem. It took three or four techs before anyone understood what I wanted. The fourth tech was spot on though, and it only took about an hour, I budgeted at least two hours of time.

    3. Re:AOL? by radish · · Score: 1

      Huh? U-Verse is AT&T, not Verizon. I'm a Fios customer and I'm....still a Fios customer?

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    4. Re:AOL? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Oops...yeah...I have no idea why I lumped AT&T in there. If you're already a FiOS customer you get to keep your FiOS. They aren't running any new fiber (since 2010!!). It's done.

      AT&T is really just the T-1000 of the telecom industry (wish I could link to Stephen Colbert's 2007 video but here is the general idea - http://consumerist.com/2011/03...)

      You have to ask yourself how I got the facts that wrong and still got modded so high.

    5. Re:AOL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, they stopped rolling out new FiOS.

      And sold some of it to Wave. As far as I know, Wave has not added a single house since they purchased FiOS in the Seattle area from Verizon. I'm one block away from where they offer service in Kirkland, WA (near Seattle) and am stuck on dial-up at home since they are not adding customers. I'm one block away from 50 Mbps! I'm only one block away! If I wasn't upside down on my house, I'd move a couple of blocks over. I would be willing to spend $25k in fees, taxes, and moving expenses without a second thought to get faster access because then I could work from home and save about two hours a day in the car driving into downtown Seattle. That would be worth it, but since I'm upside down by almost $50k, I just can't justify spending $75k on faster Internet access to my wife. She simply won't agree to it.

    6. Re:AOL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I would be willing to spend $25k in fees, taxes, and moving expenses...work from home.

      I'm in the same situation. I'm now spending $1,200 on rent for a one bedroom apartment, but I'm moving to the Joseph Arnold Loft in the Belltown neighborhood of Seattle so I can get CondoInternet. My new place is smaller, but it is $2,750 per month for rent plus even more for parking. It's a lot nicer, but not that much nicer. It's going to cost me close to $20,000 more per year just to get fast Internet access. It's worth it, because, like you, I will be able to work from home. That's going to save me about 400 hours of driving in just the next year. It's worth it, but good Internet access here is just so limited and expensive to get.

    7. Re:AOL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this move is solely to peddle verizon cellular-based wireless hotspots and smartphones to the 2.2 million AOL dialup customers. nothing more. why they couldn't do it through a marketing partnership with AOL, i dunno. maybe they figure buying the company and its customer base is cheaper than the commissions they'd pay to AOL?

      i am sad because i use AOL/AIM email address and i don't trust verizon to keep a free service going.

    8. Re:AOL? by radish · · Score: 1

      They're still rolling out in NYC as of at least last year (link) but they're certainly not expanding to new areas. It's sad, great service despite the company providing it!

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  14. I don't get it, there is no AOL by slashmydots · · Score: 0

    Did I miss something? There is no company called AOL. Time Warner bought them out like 10 years ago. Is Time Warner the one selling off the AOL branch of products? If so, this is a Time Warner-Verizon deal.

    1. Re:I don't get it, there is no AOL by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      AOL and Time Warner split up years and years ago.

    2. Re:I don't get it, there is no AOL by slashmydots · · Score: 1

      :O Why didn't I hear about this?! This is bigger than some stupid celebrity break up and the news media must not have covered it to the point where I'd hear about it.

    3. Re:I don't get it, there is no AOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, you missed something.

      http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/28/technology/timewarner_aol/

    4. Re:I don't get it, there is no AOL by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Time Warner bought them out like 10 years ago.

      You really got your facts backwards. Aside from the fact that AOL has been spun off again, AOL is the one who bought Time Warner back when their stock price could buy a small country.

    5. Re:I don't get it, there is no AOL by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      You mist have been living in a cave. It was major news 6 years ago.

  15. I am fucking flabbergasted by vikingpower · · Score: 0

    Does AOL still exist ?? WTF ?

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    1. Re:I am fucking flabbergasted by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Yes. It was spun off from Time Warner back in 2009.

    2. Re:I am fucking flabbergasted by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Does AOL still exist ?? WTF ?

      Hey, do you want some CDs? :D

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  16. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two million on dial-up? One tenth of that would've still made me surprised. USA truly is a third world shit-hole in many ways.

    1. Re:What? by omnichad · · Score: 2

      The US has plenty of infrastructure for electricity and roads. But for plenty of people, low population density is a good thing and they'll gladly trade off not being profitable to a telecom to be able to live in an area where they can easily afford a large home on a relatively large chunk of land.

      That said, I'm all for Internet becoming a public utility.

    2. Re:What? by gfxguy · · Score: 2

      Two million on dial-up? One tenth of that would've still made me surprised. USA truly is a third world shit-hole in many ways.

      Because some people choose to live in the countryside instead of the city? Or that dial-up might be cheaper and a lot of people don't use bandwidth the way you do? I think you have weird priorities.

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    3. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because some people choose to live in the countryside instead of the city?

      No, because the infrastructure is archaic. There is no reason why the U.S. countryside could not have infrastructure of comparable quality to that of the European countryside.

      Or that dial-up might be cheaper and a lot of people don't use bandwidth the way you do?

      According to the summary, these people pay AOL US$ 21 per month on average. Even before accounting for phone charges, that is comparable to a cheap broadband connection that is at least one hundred times as fast, does not block the phone line and is usually more reliable. I have a hard time believing that it would be a cheaper option for anyone that actually uses the connection.

    4. Re:What? by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Population density in most of the U.S. is far lower than Western Europe, with much wider spans between cities. You're nuts if you think you can compare. And if people already have a phone line and don't use it much, it's really not fair to include it as part of the price - you just don't get that people have different priorities than you.

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    5. Re:What? by mgcarley · · Score: 1

      Excuses excuses. Population density doesn't explain why places like Seattle have such shit Internet - or many other urban areas with similarly shit access, for that matter.

      Existing middle-mile routes have plenty of capacity (dark fiber, spare wavelengths or even simply unused megabits, depending on who is selling) available on them, and it's not terribly expensive in the grand scheme of things.

      The public isn't necessarily asking the telcos to run last-mile fiber to Joe Ruralman's ranch from the nearest town which could easily be 50+ miles away - Joe Ruralman probably has satellite or something - 99% of the public is merely asking for decent access in their town, and if it's a town with more than some arbitrary number - say 1,000 households - there aren't that many excuses that can accurately justify why those households don't have better access.

      Especially because in northern Europe (where some countries have lower density), I *can* get fiber to the summer cottage and the nearest neighbour is several miles away while the nearest town is a few dozen miles away, and I can get it with my choice of ISP *because* it [the infrastructure] is a public utility.

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    6. Re:What? by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Excuses excuses. Population density doesn't explain why places like Seattle have such shit Internet - or many other urban areas with similarly shit access, for that matter.

      It doesn't have to in order for it to be true elsewhere.

      Existing middle-mile routes have plenty of capacity (dark fiber, spare wavelengths or even simply unused megabits, depending on who is selling) available on them, and it's not terribly expensive in the grand scheme of things.

      "Terribly expensive" is a relative term - if you're the cable company and could spend the money that would bring faster speeds to 1000 people, or even faster speeds to a million living in a highly populated area, you make the best choice for your company, because as of yet, the infrastructure is NOT a public utility.

      The public isn't necessarily asking the telcos to run last-mile fiber to Joe Ruralman's ranch from the nearest town which could easily be 50+ miles away - Joe Ruralman probably has satellite or something - 99% of the public is merely asking for decent access in their town, and if it's a town with more than some arbitrary number - say 1,000 households - there aren't that many excuses that can accurately justify why those households don't have better access.

      Of course there are when there's hundreds of cities across the U.S. that have populations of hundreds of thousands or millions, unlike your little "northern European" nation that's as big as Rhode Island. BTW, I didn't say the total population density, I'm saying the U.S. is so large compared to Europe that you must break it down into highly populated (which accounts for 95% of the people) and lowly populated areas. If the companies haven't gotten to that last 5% yet, too bad - it's one of the prices you pay for living in the countryside. The 95% that live in highly populated areas, with few exceptions, has decent internet access.

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  17. Can you hear me now? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Pshhhkkkkkkrrrrkakingkakingkakingtshchchchchchchchcch...

    1. Re:Can you hear me now? by houghi · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of the audio files that were put online where people were sending their login and passwords. Fun timesto get those.

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  18. not all dialups accounts are in use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Some number of those accounts are because people don't want to change their email address. To them it's like changing a phone number that they have had for 20 years - so they pay.

    I am not sure how that breaks down - but I do believe that 5 or so years ago, the AOL dialup business was at 30-40 million subscribers.

    1. Re:not all dialups accounts are in use by kurkosdr · · Score: 1

      THIS. And this is why I 've never used any of the email address my ISPs gave me over time. Sure, there is some way to cancel the service and still have emails sent to the old address forwarded, but if I can't bother enough to find out how it's done, novice users won't either. I am not from the US, so I don't know if there are places that have telephone (PSTN) but can't have DSL because they are too far away from the closest DSLAM.

    2. Re:not all dialups accounts are in use by kurkosdr · · Score: 1

      I am not from the US = Also, I am not from the US

    3. Re:not all dialups accounts are in use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm still paying $5/month for the email address I got from my second dialup ISP around 1999.

  19. AOL is still very much alive by sjbe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Did I miss something? There is no company called AOL.

    Apparently you missed a lot of things. There very much is a a company called AOL Inc which has annual revenues of around $2.3 billion.

    Time Warner bought them out like 10 years ago.

    It was 15 years ago and you have it backwards. AOL bought Time Warner, not the other way around. AOL shareholders owned 55% of the merged company.

    Is Time Warner the one selling off the AOL branch of products?

    AOL was spun off from Time Warner six years ago into an independent company.

    If so, this is a Time Warner-Verizon deal.

    No it isn't. Time-Warner has nothing to do with this deal.

    1. Re:AOL is still very much alive by Chase · · Score: 1

      > AOL was spun off from Time Warner six years ago into an independent company.

      AOL owned 55% of TW. Did TW spin off AOL or did AOL, acting as the controlling entity of TW, spin off a dying product they called AOL.

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    2. Re:AOL is still very much alive by sjbe · · Score: 1

      AOL owned 55% of TW. Did TW spin off AOL or did AOL, acting as the controlling entity of TW, spin off a dying product they called AOL.

      AOL shareholders owned 55% of TW at the time of the merger. That control structure changed almost immediately but technically it was AOL buying TW despite TW actually being a much bigger entity in terms of assets and revenues at the time. TW management really ended up controlling the combined company so not long after the merger most of AOL's leadership was pushed aside.

      As for your second question, it's a distinction without a difference. The entity that was AOL Time Warner in 2002 wrote off $99 billion (with a b) in goodwill from their balance sheet, basically admitting that the merger was a failure. It was a great example of company cultures failing to mesh plus AOL was wildly overvalued at the time they bought TW. When the entity that is now AOL Inc was spun off six years ago it was merely the completion of the failure of the merger. AOL Inc is NOT a dying product, but doesn't really fit with Time Warner strategically or culturally so it made sense to put it into a separate company. This benefited both shareholders and the companies themselves I think.

  20. Will you abandon AOL-hosted sites? by david.emery · · Score: 3, Informative

    Given my great distrust of Verizon, I'm seriously considering abandoning/boycotting any site currently hosted by AOL, such as "Engadget, TechCrunch, and The Huffington Post."

    1. Re:Will you abandon AOL-hosted sites? by david.emery · · Score: 1

      Relevant to my comment above: http://www.theverge.com/2015/5...

    2. Re:Will you abandon AOL-hosted sites? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It took you this long to seriously consider doing that?

  21. Scooping Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What an appropriate description. And my captcha was 'manure'.

  22. Verizon Leadership by GateGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can not understand the leadership at Verizon. They seem to always do the opposite of what they should do.

    For example, when the iPhone first came out, Verizon turned Apple down and lost quite a few subscribers to ATT. I wonder if the executive that made that decision kept his job?

    More examples:
    Red Box deal
    Intel TV assets
    and now AOL

    There never appears to be a coherent thought process. The layoff thousands 3 weeks ago, going to lay off a lot more on May 22nd, yet there is money to waste on AOL. Funny thing is, I will probably be laid off after this year's contract negotiations are over, but my son will start working for Vz in June.

    I bet they bag Wireline with the load debt so that Wireless books look great.

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  23. Exede by tepples · · Score: 1

    What place can get dial-up but not satellite broadband?

    1. Re:Exede by dryeo · · Score: 2

      Here where I live, there are mountains and trees blocking the view of the satellites and they're not my trees to cut down. As I'm 40 miles from the big city there is no cell service either. Phone lines are shit as well, 26.4 connection.

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    2. Re:Exede by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a dream place to live. Why would anybody want to pollute it with an Internet connection?

    3. Re:Exede by spike+hay · · Score: 1

      What is it actually like using internet with 56k nowadays? I imagine most sites can't be usable.

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    4. Re:Exede by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

      Doesn't that cost much more than $21 per month, especially with upload?

    5. Re:Exede by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      places where people don't have a lot of money.

    6. Re:Exede by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seattle is one place. We’re 250 miles north of Toronto, so a very low line of sight to the south is required. With the hills, trees, and buildings, it’s nearly impossible to get line of sight for a dish. When I last looked for somewhere to live, there’s about a dozen buildings in the area with gigabit access, but they’re just too expensive. They’re more than $500 more per month in rent because of their exclusivity. I couldn’t find anywhere cheap that had a nice view to the south for a dish so at the moment I’m stuck on dial-up. I might be able to get my DSL fixed, but I haven’t had any luck trying to push CenturyLink into an upgrade. Most of the phone wiring in the residential areas of Seattle is just too old for DSL to work well. And of course Comcast, despite having the government-granted cable monopoly over most of the city, doesn’t offer service to much of the city.

    7. Re:Exede by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      It's pretty much unusable. Even what looks like a relatively simple, plain site these days is hundreds of kilobytes in size (which, when you are downloading at maybe 3 or 4 kB/s, takes quite a while to load!)

      It's not just a matter of 'patience' either, as many sites actually fail to render properly as the downloading of various page elements just times out.

    8. Re:Exede by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just hit reload several times. Eventually it usually works. Since moving to Seattle, I've had dialup at home. I own by own business so it's actually nice because I no longer get distracted by ESPN 360, HBO Go, Netflix, YouTube, etc.. I get a lot more work done here. Also, since the other end of my connection is a POTS line to my equipment rack in a data center, I still have a relatively low ping to my equipment which is nice for SSH. I have one friend in the area with Comcast, and his connection is actually slower and has more jitter to my equipment than my dialup. The consistency and reliability of POTS lines is nice. Again, since I work from home having something like Comcast that goes down several times a day just wouldn't work for me. I just deal with it.

    9. Re:Exede by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Get yourself a cheap PC and install Squid on it, then configure all your browsers, etc. to use that as a proxy. Think of it as a huge, multi-user, multi-platform, multi-browser shared cache. If you find an interesting article on CNN and share it with your wife/roommate/dog, there's no need for them to re-download the entire thing. You can also switch from, say, Chrome to Firefox if a page doesn't render as expected and not have to refetch all of it. Once one person on your LAN fetches http://example.com/image.gif, you all get the benefit of having it stored on your own network.

      This made a slow connection at a previous house almost tolerable. It's not a cure-all but I'd stake cash that you'd see a noticeable improvement in routine browsing.

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    10. Re:Exede by dryeo · · Score: 1

      I don't know, but with a 26.4 connection it's pretty shitty. Too many sites take it for granted that everyone has a highspeed connection and load lots of graphics, videos and other crap. Noscript really helps though.

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    11. Re:Exede by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Squid helps less and less as more sites go to HTTPS. I do have it locally installed but my son now refuses to use it and he's of age now so I can't really force him.

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    12. Re:Exede by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Squid definitely helps, particularly when revisiting pages that have already expired in the browser cache, but the original problem remains: many sites actually fail to render properly as the downloading of various page elements just times out. Squid still has to download that large unnecessarily large image down a slow pipe and many browsers will time out waiting for it. And as @dryeo said, Squid doesn't help with HTTPS sites.

    13. Re:Exede by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is it actually like using internet with 56k nowadays? I imagine most sites can't be usable.

      I don't know about 56k, but thanks to rubbish phone lines I got to experience the internet with 33.6-ish speeds a few years ago.

      If you just naively browse without considerations for your bandwidth, it's absolute shit. Once you understand that your connection sucks and nobody designs sites with you in mind, though, you can make adjustments to make it tolerable. In a lot of ways, it's no different than using a niche OS: nobody expects it, nobody plans for it, and you have to put extra time into figuring out workarounds, but once you do it can work.

      For example, you can bump up browser cache size so that it doesn't reload images, set up an ad blocker, and set up NoScript, and browsing sites you frequent often becomes tolerable. For random one-off sites, a second browser with image loading disabled is helpful, especially if you can toggle images on/off with a keybind. links2 was actually pretty good for this, despite being horribly ugly.

      Another thing that helps is using RSS feeds, especially for sites like this. RSS feeds use a lot less bandwidth and you can skip loading the site at all unless a specific article is interesting. Using IMAP to avoid downloading email messages works well too, but you have to change some settings to reduce bandwidth use.

      Also, you can't forget that a downloader like wget or aria2c is your friend. A good downloader does a much better job of handling connection loss and resuming, which is critical for a slow link. Especially if the provider tends to disconnect long-lived links to discourage 24/7 use like mine did. It was easy enough to automate reconnect and download, but directly downloading from browsers was a terrible idea.

      You can also get a cheap VPS and use it to work around some problems. Like how sometimes sites are configured with stupidly low timeouts, making it impossible to get files on a slow link. You can ssh into the VPS, download the file quickly there, and then transfer it slowly to yourself. Had problems with git repos that were prone to doing that, for another example. I cloned the repo onto the VPS, then cloned the VPS copy over dialup instead of the master and didn't have to deal with the timeouts any more.

      If you're comfortable with command line and ncurses programs, you can get even more use out of the VPS to improve dialup life, too. Input isn't too bad with dialup latency, and using mosh helps mitigate it further. I sometimes did my browsing and mail checking from the VPS, for example, since I actually like elinks and alpine.

    14. Re:Exede by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      We’re 250 miles north of Toronto

      What, like the North Pole?

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    15. Re:Exede by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Wait a second. $500/month is high rent? In a big city like Seattle. That's very cheap rent.

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    16. Re:Exede by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait a second. $500/month is high rent? In a big city like Seattle. That's very cheap rent.

      Wow, you Comcast fanbois are getting even more desperate. You lie to protect them, but we can see through your BS.

      He wrote that his rent was $500 more per month in rent. That's $6,000 more per year! I moved in Feb and am paying about $1,100 more per month in rent ($13,200 per year) to get both central air, an extra parking space, and gigabit Internet access. Not everyone can afford to spent $6,000+ more per year just for faster than dial-up access. That is why Seattle sucks.

    17. Re:Exede by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Seattle does suck (not just the airport), but try to find any apartment for $1100/month in SF or LA.

      There is a reason big city salaries are higher.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  24. Second Phone Line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many of these AOL subscribers also pay for broadband, so that they can get a cheap second phone line from Vonage, just so they don't have to tie up their main line when they dial-in? I want to laugh, but sadly, this is probably a non-trivial number of people.

    Captcha: quagmire

  25. Just great... by sconeu · · Score: 2

    If you thought cancelling your AOL account was difficult before...

    Now you get to deal with the Verizon Customer Retention Specialists!!!!!!

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    1. Re:Just great... by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Hey, if you can get a Verizon rep to promise FiOS to some of the places where they're still using AOL dial-up, that would be an amazing deal.

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  26. Time Warner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I keep thinking that Time Warner owns America Online. Just saying

  27. Another write-off coming? by tomhath · · Score: 1

    Good thing AOL pissed away $100 billion dollars a few years ago, otherwise Verizon wouldn't have been able to buy them now.

    Of course they were never really worth that $100 billion, but it must have been fun pretending they were.

  28. I see the Comcast fanbois are out in force again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It didn't take long for them to attack this guy that complained about Comcast.

    My company moved from Seattle, because the basement we were in in Pioneer Square couldn't even get reliable POTS lines. Comcast didn't have service on the block, and there's no hope of DSL if a POTS line doesn't work. We fought CenturyLink for nearly a year before the phone lines became stable enough to use a modem reliably. We're now in the owners basement in Kirkland, and he has Frontier fiber. It's a pretty tight fit and illegal according to the zoning laws, but it's hard to find office space in the Seattle area with decent Internet access that isn't very expensive. Internet access here is just so limited in availability.

  29. Forgotten Dialup Charges? by Sadsfae · · Score: 1

    There's still probably some substantial revenue coming in from forgotten AOL subscriptions from elderly folks who thought they needed it to access the internet, but probably not 4.4B worth.

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    Have a squat over at the hobo house.
  30. Yahoo and AOL. Verizon???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A while ago, there were rumors of Yahoo and AOL merging. AOL was supposed to have tech to generate higher sales per ad, or something like that, and Yahoo had the properties to utilize the tech on. AOL and Yahoo both operated mainstream viewer web sites.

    Why would a big telecommunications company want to own a bunch of social media web sites??? Hell, I think AOL is worth significantly less than $4 billion. It boggles my mind.

  31. Re:I see the Comcast fanbois are out in force agai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're correct. Anything negative posted here about Comcast gets marked as a troll like this guy was. It's sad that while they have the government-granted monopoly here in Seattle that they do not offer service to much of the city. I'm tired of over twenty years on dialup. I bought my house here in 1995, so I can't easily move nor do I want to move into a condo which is the only type of building that Gigabit Seattle offers service in. Since they were bought-out by Wave, they have slowed expansion so I don't think there's any hope of ever getting faster service until my twins move out in about six years then I can move into a smaller place in a neighborhood that has Comcast.

  32. Greater use value by tepples · · Score: 1

    Satellite costs more than dial-up but provides more use value to the subscriber. Think of it this way: satellite's throughput is a hundred times faster, but it doesn't cost a hundred times more.

    1. Re:Greater use value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Satellite's throughput may be 100 times faster than dialup, but the latency's a killer. (We have to deal with remote mine sites using satellite on a daily basis.)

    2. Re:Greater use value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Satellite costs more than dial-up but provides more use value [wikipedia.org] to the subscriber. Think of it this way: satellite's throughput is a hundred times faster, but it doesn't cost a hundred times more.

      It also provides:
      * nasty bandwidth caps - 150MB/day on one, flat 7GB/month on another.
      *** On the 150MB/day ISP you'd be throttled to sub-dialup speeds for 24 hours for going over.
      *** The one with the flat monthly cap would harass you daily via email if you got within 70% of cap, and if you did clear the cap, you'd get throttled for the remainder of the month.
      * much higher latency - 2000-3000ms latency is normal in fair weather
      * page loads are still slow because of the high latency, it's just a high up-front wait followed by a quicker download after.
      * ample downtime to do other things because it's snowing, raining, or sometimes even just too cloudy. A cloudy day can turn that 2000ms latency into 40,000ms and 70-90% packet loss.
      * the delightful experience of having to climb on the roof to clean the snow off the dish multiple times in winter, unless you're happy with losing your internet for weeks at a time waiting for a thaw.

      All that value, and only for 2-4x the cost of dialup! If I remember right, satellite cost about $60-70 while dialup was costing around $15 at the time. Better still, you're paying that for something like 150KB/sec speeds. I had better broadband than that in the 90s!

      I've actually had to use both satellite and dialup in recent years, and both are complete shit in different ways. The high latency of satellite makes anything interactive truly painful, and it's possible to lose internet access for days at a time, especially in spring and winter.

      Satellite only wins wins for OS updates and software downloads, really, because the bandwidth cap and low speed makes things like video loading shit, and page loads are still slow. That bandwidth advantage dissipates quickly due to the high latency latency when a site is pulling in scripts from six different sites, images from multiple sources, advertisements from yet another domain, etc.

      In a lot of ways, I liked dialup more. I boosted the browser cache size so all the images on sites I visited often, used NoScript, blocked ads, and got 'good enough' browsing for a lot less money.

      For a while, I had both at the same time, and I found myself doing almost everything with the dialup. I used a second machine to use the satellite connection any time I needed to download something, by downloading with the second computer and transferring the files via LAN.

      I don't have to deal with that shit now, but I feel for the people that still do, because choosing between dialup and satellite is a choice of which flavour of shitty you'd like. Considering that, it's understandable that some people would decide to take the cheaper brand of shit.