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Heat Wave Kills More Than 1,100 In India

An anonymous reader sends word that a week-long heat wave in India has resulted in the deaths of more than 1,100 people. Temperatures reached 47C (117F) on Monday and are expected to stay dangerously high throughout the week. The heat and extreme dryness are being accompanied by strong westerly winds. "About one-third of the country's 1.2 billion people have access to electricity, meaning millions are enduring the blistering heat without relief." The local power grid has been struggling under high demand from fans and air conditioning. In some states, citizens are being advised to stay indoors during the middle of the day, when the sun is at its peak. Many hope the upcoming monsoons will return temperatues to less dangerous levels.

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  1. Dry Heat by paulej72 · · Score: 1, Troll

    Well at least it is a dry heat.

    1. Re:Dry Heat by rsmith-mac · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well at least it is a dry heat.

      Actually it's not, that's the problem. The humidity is around 30% during the day, which may not sound like a lot, but at 47C that's a heat index of over 55C! That's well into the extreme danger zone, you will get heat stroke extremely easy, even without being in the sun. And then of course the humidity will jump up during the night, so it may only be 30C outside, but the heat index is still in the 40s.

      This weather is a very nasty combination of heat and humidity. You're basically looking at a sauna at times. Which is all well and good when you can leave the sauna, but even in the best of health the human body struggles to deal with these kinds of heat indexes over an extended period of time.

    2. Re:Dry Heat by Guy+From+V · · Score: 4, Funny

      Knock it off, Hudson.

    3. Re: Dry Heat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      My question: will this increase the cost of outsourcing so I can compete in the job market for a job that will cover student loan debt and still eat?

    4. Re: Dry Heat by paulej72 · · Score: 1

      No it will not increase the cost of outsourcing. There were most like more than 1000 babies born in India during the heat wave so the population is still growing.

    5. Re: Dry Heat by danomac · · Score: 2

      I was curious, so I looked this up - 2013 birth rate numbers for India are 20.22 per 1,000. This translates to about 47 births per minute, using the old numbers.

      Population (est): 1,236,344,631
      Birth rate: 20.22 per 1,000 of the population.

      So 1,236,344,631 / 1000 * 20.22 [24,998,888 yearly] / 365 [68,490 daily] / 24 [2,853 hourly] / 60 = 47.56 every minute.

      If my math is wrong, I'm sure someone will point it out, but 1000 since Monday is rather conservative.

    6. Re:Dry Heat by BlackPignouf · · Score: 1

      Holy shit you're right.
      30% at 47C is about 25g of water for 1kg of dry air, which is equivalent to 3 imperial shit-tons of moisture.

    7. Re:Dry Heat by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      I'm still not sure what the big deal is. The description sounds like a typical summer afternoon here in Phoenix. I don't mind riding my bike for a few hours at a time in direct sunlight when its 115F and in the middle of the afternoon. The hottest it has gotten here was I believe 123F, which was some time during the 90's.

      Our average daily humidity is about 37%, though it runs about 10% in the afternoon most of the time, I can recall at least a few times where it was 35% humidity at 110F in the afternoon, and it didn't bother me.

      However not this year. This year has had one of the coldest winters I can remember, and so far this summer it has rarely exceeded the triple digits, which is a little unusual for a non-monsoon year, but it's by far not the first time either.

    8. Re:Dry Heat by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      In Phoenix when it is hot the RH is rarely much above 20%, at which levels the impact on human body is neutral. 110F @ 30% RH means it "feels" like 122, and I have heard of India having much higher RH than even that. 35% feels like 129F and it gets seriously crazy above that.

      You don't know what the big deal is because you've probably never experienced humid heat. 90F is extremely dangerous at 100%RH and people die from it all the time.

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    9. Re: Dry Heat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There were most like more than 1000 babies born in India during the heat wave so the population is still growing.

      Because babies are somehow immune to heat stroke?

    10. Re:Dry Heat by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      I lived in Phoenix for over thirty years. Everybody there has refrigeration, and in June when the temperature hits 50C, about the maximum, the humidity is below 10%. By mid-July is gets more humid as the weather pattern shifts from the dry westerlies to Gulf air from the southeast, but the temperature plummets to 40C and the humidity never goes over about 30%, with clouds and thunder (not always rain) every afternoon.

      Now imagine the temperature at 50C with 60% humidity, and no A/C. And it's not monsoon yet, so no cooling storms.

    11. Re:Dry Heat by Time_Ngler · · Score: 1

      You don't mind it because you go from air conditioned building to air conditioned building. Spending a couple of hours in heat like that isn't a big deal, but living with it 24 hours a day will run you down in a hurry.

    12. Re: Dry Heat by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Nope. Why do you think that dems and pubs want to increase h1b, which is even worse.

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    13. Re:Dry Heat by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Actually to be honest, this entire year I've had my AC off during the day. I only turn it on at night because I'm one of those people who feel hot when they sleep, even when it isn't hot in the room. (Which is an annoying problem to have by the way, I've lost so much good quality sleep time over it.)

  2. Sure... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

    "Many hope the upcoming monsoons will return temperatues to less dangerous levels. "

    Right, not like the monsoons won't kill anyone and cause problems of their own....

    Be careful what you wish for....

    1. Re:Sure... by slashmydots · · Score: 1

      You know you live in the wrong place when you're looking forward to one horrific weather pattern to replace another.

    2. Re:Sure... by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      You're the moron, monsoons cause several hundred deaths a year there.

    3. Re:Sure... by cayenne8 · · Score: 0
      I always thought the Kwik-E-Mart was air conditioned!!

      :)

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    4. Re:Sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      monsoons are not natural disasters you fucking moron

    5. Re:Sure... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      You know you live in the wrong place when you're looking forward to one horrific weather pattern to replace another.

      The monsoons are not horrific. They are a normal part of the annual weather cycle. Complaining about monsoons in India is as silly as complaining about snow in Minnesota. Far more horrific, is when the monsoons are weak, which has historically led to famine.

    6. Re:Sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try googling "monsoon floods". Who's the fucking moron? Just because the monsoon happens every year doesn't mean it doesn't kill people, flash floods and mudslides are pretty good for that.

    7. Re:Sure... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Until the flooding and resulting deaths....

    8. Re:Sure... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but those are only in Springfield, India has "Surly-American-Mart"

    9. Re:Sure... by del_diablo · · Score: 1

      Every year there is flodding. Every year people are confused over the fact they got houses in a flood area?
      Not really.
      They choose to love where the flood comes
      They should accept it? Right?
      To some extent.
      I know that work and social life is limited to where those are. So I know a lot of people moved somewhere for one of those 2, they didn't choose to live in a flooded area.
      Still doesn't change the fact they could have moved uphill.

    10. Re:Sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      only for the cage where the clerk sits in.

    11. Re:Sure... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Yeah? So explain all those people in the central US who live in tornado-prone areas. Or people who are in the path of hurricanes. Or on flood plains.

      People don't get a choice about where they are born.

      And if you're sufficiently poor, you might not have the option to fix it.

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    12. Re:Sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People get a choice where they move

    13. Re:Sure... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      People get a choice where they move

      Again, I reiterate ...

      And if you're sufficiently poor, you might not have the option to fix it.

      Did you have a choice in your lack of reading comprehension? Or is it innate?

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    14. Re:Sure... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Which, if you think about it, is probably smaller as a percentage of population than pool drownings in the US is.

      I don't meant to downplay "several hundred deaths", but in a country with a billion people ... you can probably attribute several hundred deaths to a long list of things, some of them probably quite odd.

      Hell, how many people die due to tornadoes and hurricanes every year in North America?

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    15. Re:Sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone needs to knock "you fucking moron" out of your vocabulary with a good hard right punch to your head and hopefully knock a couple of teeth loose with it.....

    16. Re:Sure... by Iniamyen · · Score: 1

      Hurricanes are a normal part of the weather cycle in Florida, but that doesn't stop me from having the opinion that Florida is the wrong place to live.

    17. Re:Sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again, someone needs to knock "you fucking moron" out of your vocabulary with a good hard right punch to your head and hopefully knock a couple of teeth loose with it.....

    18. Re:Sure... by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      yeah I heard Comic Book Guy was working on a global Androids Dungeon franchise.

    19. Re:Sure... by radl33t · · Score: 1

      I think you confused India for Texas

    20. Re: Sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If several hundred people died in a week to pool drownings, we would have massive outcry for a fix.

      But it is about one a day instead.

    21. Re:Sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's nonsense. Anyone can move. Even homeless people can move. If someone has finally saved up enough to move out of their parents house in their hometown, it isn't that much more expensive to just move to somewhere else. You could find a similar job and apartment in the new location, just need a bus ticket, maybe a bit more to ship anything important. We are talking about an extra $100 or $200 to get to a better place, on top of the $1000 or so they already saved to pay for security deposit and start up stuff.

    22. Re:Sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if what you are saying was true, you're forgetting one important fact: Every place sucks.

    23. Re:Sure... by Falos · · Score: 1

      Even the FWCers think this post screams ivory tower.

    24. Re:Sure... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Hurricanes are a normal part of the weather cycle in Florida

      Florida hurricanes are not a regular annual event like the monsoons are in India. They don't come every year, and when they do, they are somewhat localized.

      but that doesn't stop me from having the opinion that Florida is the wrong place to live.

      Florida is the wrong place to live, but the hurricanes are only a minor part of that.

    25. Re:Sure... by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

      Yep, exactly. Living in a "tornado-prone" area describes a very large section of the US midwest and south. Hurricane prone region describes the entire south-east US coastline. Tsunamis or monsoons are a danger to anyone living near the coast of the Pacific or Indian Oceans. Flood plains are among the most fertile ground on the planet, so you're at least going to see farming communities living there. Oh, and don't live anywhere near a major fault line!

      If you start looking for "completely safe" areas, you're going to exclude an awful lot of real estate on the earth. Mother nature is a bitch. We just have to deal with her as best we can.

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    26. Re:Sure... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Well, you are not looking for completely safe, you are looking for relatively safe. Let's be honest, it is completely naively nuts not to consider environmental and social safety when it comes to locating your family. So avoid high risk locations is simply makes sense because if you don't then one day, inevitably it places the whole of your family at that location of losing everything they have including their lives. So yeah, live in a high risk zone, move, it is the sensible thing to do, seriously what is so dumb about that. Yes, I do live in a particularly safe city, I was born there and choose not to leave and do take into account how much safety would be lost to move to other locations. Keep in mind that inherent feeling of safety is apparent and does lead to a particularly laid back easy going parochial population. When you hold the map of earth the right way up you can fully appreciate its safe location.

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    27. Re: Sure... by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Normally, that is called Texas.

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    28. Re:Sure... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Any kind of rainy season has the potential, same for India. We always hear on the news of this sort of thing.

    29. Re:Sure... by arvindsg · · Score: 1

      Without monsoons whole of the Indian subcontinent would be a dessert, they are single handedly responsible for most of the rainfall (consequently irrigation and agriculture) in india.
      From Wikipedia

      Due to its effect on agriculture, flora and fauna and the general weather of India, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, etc., among other economic, social and environmental effects, a monsoon is one of the most anticipated, followed[3] and studied weather phenomena of the Indian subcontinent. It has significant impact on the overall well-being of subcontinent residents and has even been dubbed the "real finance minister of India"

    30. Re:Sure... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Yes, but they can sometimes deposit too much water too quickly.

      Just kind of silly to be hoping for one just to end problems with heat (although a dry heat is usually much more tolerable than humid heat...)

  3. Drag them down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Comparison to India's military and space spending starting in 3 .. 2.. 1..

  4. 100 degree plus temp and dryness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't that the weather pattern of some cities in the US southwest such as Phoenix? The dry air actually seems to moderate the high temperature somewhat, at least at night.

    Of course, during the day, everyone is indoors with the AC maxed out.

    1. Re:100 degree plus temp and dryness by TWX · · Score: 1

      Or if people are outdoors, they actually try to drink enough cool water to survive.

      One thing that the Israeli army has right is they require their soldiers to take regular water breaks if conditions are safe to do so, and they enforce that enough water is drunk each break. It's amazing how high the temps can be and still be survivable if one isn't dehydrated.

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    2. Re:100 degree plus temp and dryness by I4ko · · Score: 0

      Not everyone is inside. There are some lizards like me that actually like to be out. I regularly bike or hike with a camelback (a 3L primary and 3L secondary reservoir) at noon-2pm during July and August here in Phoenix. And a small spay bottle of rubbing alcohol. That last one cools you down in a pinch (not to mention for scrapes and minor cuts when riding through the bushes), just have to be careful to only apply to the ends of the extremities - palms and fingers and feet.

    3. Re:100 degree plus temp and dryness by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      Or if people are outdoors, they actually try to drink enough cool water to survive.

        One thing that the Israeli army has right is they require their soldiers to take regular water breaks if conditions are safe to do so, and they enforce that enough water is drunk each break. It's amazing how high the temps can be and still be survivable if one isn't dehydrated.

      That's fine for Israel, a modern developed country with good infrastructure, and relatively civilized people who don't try to treat everyone as slaves.

      Indie is far less developed, and access to water itself is scarce. Even electricity is scarce - if you have it, you only have it for a few hours a day, especially if you're not in the city. (And during the worst heat, even that's not guaranteed).

      Couple that with bosses who don't care and consider breaks to be the sign of a lazy workforce...

    4. Re:100 degree plus temp and dryness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why there are so many of them coming to Texas. They like the cool summers here.

    5. Re:100 degree plus temp and dryness by ebh · · Score: 2

      True story: When taking a summer class in Alabama, on a particularly hot sticky day, the Indian students were talking nostalgically about how it felt like home.

    6. Re: 100 degree plus temp and dryness by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      No. I would visit my sister in phoenix , who has a decent job, but they did not bother with AC. Why not? Because they are acclimated to high temps. OTOH, she thinks that 50-60f is cold.

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  5. Reworded by war4peace · · Score: 1

    Slashdot-specific:
    Heat Wave in India kills 9,1666666666666666666666666666667e-5% of its population.

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    1. Re:Reworded by Kjella · · Score: 0

      Slashdot-specific:
      Heat Wave in India kills 9,1666666666666666666666666666667e-5% of its population.

      Nerd fail, invalid use of significant digits ;). Though I was thinking the same thing, one in a million doesn't seem very significant. It's like 5 people dying in my country of 5 million, that's one bad car crash not exactly dropping like flies.

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    2. Re:Reworded by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I'm Romanian, you inconsiderate clod!
      This means I'm nerdier than you'd think, because I adhere to my country's decimal rules. Ta-daa!

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  6. trees cut down in the cities by lkcl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    i visited bangalore in 2006, to see a friend living there. he explained that when the trees were cut down in the cities (so that more housing could be built), temperatures soared by an additional 10 *centigrade*. so, the ambient temperature surrounding the cities would be 45 degrees, but in bangalore it would reach *fifty five* centigrade. the point of mentioning this is that it's a much more direct version of how man has an effect on his immediate environment. change the landscape, you change the weather, it's as simple as that. we can learn from that... or simply die. it's our choice.

    1. Re:trees cut down in the cities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So far, we're choosing "die" and I predict we will choose "die" right up to the point where it is obvious we actually will die. Then we'll choose "learn", but it will be too late.

    2. Re:trees cut down in the cities by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      She should keep digging past the dinosaurs. We may find a previous civilization with similar technology levels. :)

    3. Re:trees cut down in the cities by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      That's why the temperature record in India is only 50C, and it is not even in Bengalore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...

    4. Re:trees cut down in the cities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bengaluru is a relatively cool spot, although its ambient temperature has gone up over the years.

      The numbers you quoted are B.S. People will die en-masse at that temperature. I wont bother providing data to refute your numbers.

      The regions affected are about 500+KM away in a different state and are seeing temperatures of >47c in shade. These are arid regions and dont have lot of tree cover to begin with. They are semi-industrialized or agricultural due to the weather patterns.

    5. Re:trees cut down in the cities by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      The temperature record in Bengalore is only 39C http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...

    6. Re:trees cut down in the cities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't let facts get in the way of a good story. Meanwhile the OP will be marked +5 Insightful even though it is complete bollocks.

    7. Re:trees cut down in the cities by radl33t · · Score: 1

      removing thirsty non-native turf in favor of sparse drought tolerant sedge-type vegetation will cause global warming on a state wide scale? what does this mean? any of it?

    8. Re:trees cut down in the cities by mjm1231 · · Score: 1

      Your information is incorrect. There was a small section of coastal California that had a Mediterranean climate long before Europeans showed up. This area was expanded into desert regions by importing water from other areas.

      Your final sentence seems to imply some kind of link between desert and warming, but I'm not sure what link you think there is. There are deserts in the world which are frozen all or most of the year.

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    9. Re:trees cut down in the cities by dell623 · · Score: 2

      While the urban heat island affect is well known, and Bangalore would certainly be affected, it's not anything like 10 degrees celsius (the way you write '10 centrigrade' suggests you're used to thinking in Fahrenheit).

      Bangalore does not reach 45 degrees. Ever. The average summer maximums are ten degrees below that, which for India makes it pretty much like heaven. It is the ONLY major city in India that does not have an awful climate, which is one of the major reasons it became an IT hub.

      Summers in India are fucked. You don't need the hyperbole. The facts are awful enough. 47 degrees is nuts, but it's not the one day extremes that are the worst thing. It's the fucking consistency of it, weeks upon weeks of 40 degrees+ maximums, averaging ~43. One fucking hot day, even if it is 46-7 degrees, is survivable for well off people, you stay home or in an air conditioned office, step out for lunch, change your mind, IM each other about how hot it is.

  7. How many people died in the UK or the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last summer people died in the UK when it hit 90 degrees F, and people die in the summer in the US all the time. What are those numbers, normalized by population?

    1. Re:How many people died in the UK or the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting point. In the 2013 UK heatwave, 760 or more died (quick googling, there seems to be a lot more mentions of 2013 than 2014, so I'm guessing that's what you meant). UK pop is around 63 million. Indian pop is 1.3 billion. So the death toll is roughly the same in absolute terms, but India has 20 times the population of the UK, so I guess you could say the 2013 UK heatwave was 20 times worse, normalised by population.

    2. Re:How many people died in the UK or the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Texas, high temperatures in the summer months are usually 95-100F, so I'd say that they should look into the convenience of central air conditioning.

    3. Re:How many people died in the UK or the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The UK ain't Texas. Such temperatures are so rare that it's not worth installing air conditioning for most people. Actually the problem was exacerbated because we had several years of the government giving people grants to improve the insulation of their houses so they can keep warm more easily in winter for less money. I guess there's a flip side to that coin.

    4. Re:How many people died in the UK or the US? by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 0

      Is the simple math too hard for you? Perhaps you could ask a third grader to do it for you.

      Man, the dickheads are everywhere today!

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    5. Re:How many people died in the UK or the US? by fuzznutz · · Score: 1

      Is the simple math too hard for you? Perhaps you could ask a third grader to do it for you.

      Man, the dickheads are everywhere today!

      Everybody gets cranky when it gets that hot.

    6. Re:How many people died in the UK or the US? by mjm1231 · · Score: 2

      I can't tell how many dickheads there are today. Can you google it for me?

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    7. Re:How many people died in the UK or the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't tell how many dickheads there are today. Can you google it for me?

      Yes.

  8. Unfortunate, but could be worse... by xfade551 · · Score: 1, Informative

    During major U.S. heat waves we typically get a similar number of deaths, and that's with about 1/3 the population. There are quite a few places in the world that get worse heat without heat waves. The worst two I've visited were Kuwait and Qatar, both read 140F/60C on thermometers in the shade (placement/calibration technically didn't meet weather station standards, so no "world record", but that is still the temperature people were subjected to). Qatar was worse though, the humidity was borderline condensing (some surfaces were damp with not a cloud in the sky); I'm glad I didn't have to stay there any longer than one day!

    1. Re:Unfortunate, but could be worse... by hamsterz1 · · Score: 1

      During major U.S. heat waves we typically get a similar number of deaths, and that's with about 1/3 the population. There are quite a few places in the world that get worse heat without heat waves. The worst two I've visited were Kuwait and Qatar, both read 140F/60C on thermometers in the shade (placement/calibration technically didn't meet weather station standards, so no "world record", but that is still the temperature people were subjected to). Qatar was worse though, the humidity was borderline condensing (some surfaces were damp with not a cloud in the sky); I'm glad I didn't have to stay there any longer than one day!

      WOW 140 in the shade, how in the world did the locals deal with such extremes?.

    2. Re:Unfortunate, but could be worse... by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Air Conditioning. Kuwait and Qatar are filthy rich.

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    3. Re:Unfortunate, but could be worse... by hamsterz1 · · Score: 1

      Air Conditioning. Kuwait and Qatar are filthy rich.

      But unfortunately India is not, not at least the common folks.

    4. Re:Unfortunate, but could be worse... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      In Qatar, substantially by letting impoverished migrant laborers handle the outdoor stuff, under more and less voluntary conditions, and air conditioning.

    5. Re:Unfortunate, but could be worse... by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      60C is probably bullshit. Even 53 is considered high: http://www.habibtoumi.com/2010...

    6. Re:Unfortunate, but could be worse... by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      They don't. The temperature record is Qatar and Kuwait is about 53C. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...

    7. Re:Unfortunate, but could be worse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US has 1000+ die during major heat waves? Um, when? The worst one in US history was 600.

    8. Re:Unfortunate, but could be worse... by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      The worst two I've visited were Kuwait and Qatar, both read 140F/60C on thermometers in the shadeThat's one of the numerous reasons people questioned how the hell Qatar won hosting the 2022 World Cup. It's expected that nearly 4000 workers will die just in building the necessary stadiums and related infrastructure necessary to host the games.

    9. Re:Unfortunate, but could be worse... by ebh · · Score: 1

      True, but those are the only places I know of where it can literally be "95 degrees with 95 percent humidity", i.e. *dewpoints* over 90F. It has to do with the high temperature of the surrounding seawater.

    10. Re:Unfortunate, but could be worse... by butchersong · · Score: 1

      It is a tragedy when people die but I'm not even sure why this is international news. The number sounds bad to be sure but as a percentage of the population and comparing that percentage to the typical number of deaths in other countries during heat waves as you said... this is a low number

    11. Re:Unfortunate, but could be worse... by mjm1231 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Um, no.
      For the period 1999-2003, the average # of US deaths due to heat was 688 per year, which is not at all similar to 1100 per week.

      Once again, posting false information on Slashdot proves to be no impediment to being modded +5 informative.

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    12. Re:Unfortunate, but could be worse... by xfade551 · · Score: 1

      They don't. The temperature record is Qatar and Kuwait is about 53C. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...

      Official measurements don't get taken at or near surfaces of concrete, asphalt, tarmac, or compacted sand (that's why I mentioned the caveat about placement and calibration of the thermometers). My buddies and I were stuck working (albeit very slowly, for very short periods) in those conditions. I was just glad I didn't have to wear combat gear at the time.

    13. Re:Unfortunate, but could be worse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not every week 1100 people die of heat in India and not everyday the same number of people died in USA between 1999-2003. So you are distorting the statistics by counting average of one with peak of another. Someday you will be drawn in a lake with average depth of 3 feet.

    14. Re:Unfortunate, but could be worse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Information is information regardless of veracity.

    15. Re:Unfortunate, but could be worse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      being a dickbag isn't an impediment either, dickbag

  9. Slashdotness by Daetrin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Minus: You failed to use an obscure unit of measurement. I propose Congresses. This heat wave has killed 2.056 Congresses of people.

    Plus: You used a decimal comma instead of a decimal point, allowing people to respond saying that you're adhering to a regionally specific custom that differs from their own regionally specific custom, and therefore are clearly doing it wrong.

    Overall i rate your slashdotness at 77.3%, by means of an obscure personal rating system which i can't describe succinctly but will argue about endlessly if anyone disagrees with my conclusion.

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    1. Re:Slashdotness by asylumx · · Score: 1

      Clearly your unfair rating system rounds down, this score should have been 77.34%. Quite selling people short!

    2. Re:Slashdotness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's already a unit for this.

      183 microhitlers.

    3. Re:Slashdotness by PPalmgren · · Score: 1

      I'm not a fan of this 'cogresses' ratings for death counts. It immediately evokes the exact opposite reaction that I would normally receive by death counts.

    4. Re:Slashdotness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite?

    5. Re:Slashdotness by nadaou · · Score: 1

      you must not be new here.

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  10. Re:US help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    airlift some water

    That's very expensive and only makes sense for a limited time under certain circumstances (e.g., local potable water systems destroyed). I doubt these circumstances fit the criteria. Sports drinks are probably not in short supply there either. OTOH, setting up portable cooling centers using misters and pumps with the local water supply would make sense. I don't think they need the US to do it though.

  11. Re:US help? by asylumx · · Score: 1

    ...or Gatorade to help with this bad situation

    Of course! After all, it's what plants crave!

  12. Re:US help? by hamsterz1 · · Score: 1

    airlift some water

    That's very expensive and only makes sense for a limited time under certain circumstances (e.g., local potable water systems destroyed). I doubt these circumstances fit the criteria. Sports drinks are probably not in short supply there either. OTOH, setting up portable cooling centers using misters and pumps with the local water supply would make sense. I don't think they need the US to do it though.

    Great ideas AC, I wonder if your ideas could be given to the Indian Gov., or local India business association. ")

  13. Re:US help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We can't even fix the water problems in California.

  14. Re:US help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    India developed and built nuclear weapons and is planning a Mars mission and a spaceplane. Where the political will exists, India is capable of making the same kinds of investments into technology that the US does.

    India just lacks the political will to invest in providing their citizens with water and electricity or reducing urban heat island effects.

    The US doesn't need to airlift them anything. The Indian government can provide for its citizens but refuses to do so.

  15. Heat wave? It's a regular occurence by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Heat waves have been killing hundreds to thousands annually in India for the last 3 decades - and most likely much longer (but reporting simply wasn't well done much further in the past). This isn't anything new, other than we finally hear about it. Living in extreme conditions, with poor sanitation and polluted and minimal water will kill.

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  16. Re:US help? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3

    'airlift some water'

    Well, that's about the dumbest thing I've read today.

    Let's assume that 500,000,000 citizens are at risk in India.
    Let's further assume that they would benefit from a mere 2 liters of water each, per day.

    Water = 1kg per liter
    747-400 MTOW - operating empty weight = ~215,000kg. So a 747 can lift 215,000 liters of water (assuming it actually fits inside)

    To supply half a million people with 2 liters each, per day = 5,000 747 flights, every day.

    airlift some water....right.

  17. No Wonder by dcw3 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    No wonder nobody is answering the phone at customer service.

    In all seriousness, this is a shame, but why the fuck is it on Slashdot?

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    1. Re:No Wonder by pr0nbot · · Score: 0

      Because only we can work out how Android fragmentation is the cause.

    2. Re:No Wonder by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      I told myself the same thing when I read the title. I was expecting it to mention some life changing technology such as evap coolers (which don't work in high humidity and aren't that new by any means). Then it would have made sense.

    3. Re:No Wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...but why the fuck is it on Slashdot?

      To make you a more rounded individual.

    4. Re:No Wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has to do with global warming and climate change and how it affects the poor in tropical and sub-tropical regions.

      No one answering the phones? Speaks a bit about the kind of person you are, doesnt it?

      I dont see you questioning stories about some political nonsense in the US.

    5. Re:No Wonder by KermodeBear · · Score: 1

      And the numbers don't seem particularly significant either. 1,100 people out of 1.2 billion, when 2/3 of those people don't have access to electricity and therefore air conditioning?

      If anything, the news story should be, "Holy crap, there's a serious heat wave and only this many people died. That's amazing, how does this population manage to deal with this kind of weather so well?"

      Me, anything over 70F is too hot. 117F? That's insanity. I'm glad I'm here and not there.

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    6. Re:No Wonder by dcw3 · · Score: 0

      A/C is overrated. You can adapt to warmer or colder climates to a certain degree (pun intended). I'm 56 yrs old and went running in 103F just a year ago...well hydrated, and monitoring my HR.

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    7. Re:No Wonder by StupidSlashDotJavaSc · · Score: 1

      Fat boy can't get any rounder...

    8. Re:No Wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So that tech workers replaced by offshoring to India have something to cheer about?

  18. Re:US help? by hamsterz1 · · Score: 1

    India developed and built nuclear weapons and is planning a Mars mission and a spaceplane. Where the political will exists, India is capable of making the same kinds of investments into technology that the US does.

    India just lacks the political will to invest in providing their citizens with water and electricity or reducing urban heat island effects.

    The US doesn't need to airlift them anything. The Indian government can provide for its citizens but refuses to do so.

    I am aware of India's achievements, I just thought they had more of a will, and compassion to help their people.

  19. Air conditioners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Did they try calling tech support for their air conditioners? 104 seems high.

    1. Re:Air conditioners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is India. They don't even have a sewage system of note (why I'd never want to visit). I'd be surprised if they had an electrical grid that could support half their population blasting A/C.

    2. Re:Air conditioners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      India's per capita income is around $2000/yr. If you go to any country with this level of per capita income, you will realize that India beats all of them in terms of quality of life. The 1100 death may be higher, but when adjusted for population it is paltry in terms of death tolls in Russia and France during extreme summers just few years ago. This is despite the fact that they are high latitude and the heat wave was less extreme. In fact, Indians are managing quite well under the circumstances.

    3. Re:Air conditioners by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      i'd suspect that the death toll did not come from the folks making anywhere near 2k per year.

  20. Re:US help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With all the money that India wastes in puerile pissing contests, you think they might instead devote that money to making the lives of hundreds of millions of Indian citizens less miserable.

  21. Re:US help? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

    That looks surprisingly realistic, even though it still doesn't make any sense. It's like a bigger scale Berlin airlift rather than something entirely ridiculous. Getting water from big airports and military airfields to the people is left as an exercise.

  22. Re:US help? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

    Of course, I made a typo in there...:)
    "To supply half a million people with" = "To supply half a billion people with "

    Berlin was one city, a couple of hundred miles away. Not 1/2 a country on the other side of the planet.

  23. Stay indoors by tomhath · · Score: 1

    citizens are being advised to stay indoors

    I thought only mad dogs and Englishmen went out in the mid day sun?

    1. Re:Stay indoors by dell623 · · Score: 1

      What if your job, and having food on the table that day, requires being out in the mid day sun?

      Take the numbers on het wave related deaths with a pinch of salt - it's some crappy statistic cooked up by a bored government official, perhaps based on dubious second hand reports (at best, could also be completely made up). Not saying the number is too high. Or too low. Could be either. But when the number of deaths you can report in India correlates with the number of clicks you get on your 'news' website, you get what you would expect.

  24. Re:Heat wave? It's a regular occurence by snsh · · Score: 1

    And 45C is not extreme for Delhi. It's like reaching 98F in New York City. It's hotter than usual, but you can expect it to happen once a year.

  25. Re:US help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    India has exactly what every other country in the world has: a political class. Politicians don't have to live in the same filth as the commons: they are busy competing on an international scale, as they always have. The ancient Greek political classes competed at the original Olympic games; modern politicians compete in technology and arms, or if they're very advanced, in space. They don't compete at water processing or supply, or food supply, or anything basic that could be fixed with adequate planning and investment in infrastructure. It's just not hard enough, and therefore not sexy enough.

  26. Re:US help? by ebh · · Score: 1

    It has electrolytes! You don't want water. Water comes from the toilet!

  27. Re:Heat wave? It's a regular occurence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not sure what your point is. Using the same source, the average number of deaths in India related to heat wave is 153/yr. Europe has a total population of 60% of India and in 2003, estimated 70,000 people died. Adjusting for population, this is an equivalent of what number of people will die in 700 years in India. So, are Europeans living in even worse conditions?

  28. Re:US help? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

    "rather than something entirely ridiculous"

    Each 747 would have to fly more than 3.5 water flights per day, since there have only been 1500 made counting all variants. So you also need water sources no more than 3700 statute miles away.

  29. Re:US help? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

    As far as "realistic", 5,000 landings per day is the combined total of the 5 busiest airports on the planet.

  30. Re:US help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So a 747 can lift 215,000 liters of water (assuming it actually fits inside)

    Coincidentally, the 747-400 carries approximately that much fuel.

    Thus we replace the fuel with water, and we can still have passengers to go to India where they can help with the heat problem. If we make those passengers drink up before boarding, they can be carrying extra water that will be easy to treat and filter.

    You don't want to know what the captcha is.

    vqvbgvp

  31. Re:Dry Heat - Not! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The relative humidity is more like 60+%. There's no escape from the heat - the night time low is around 82 F - https://www.google.com/search?q=chennai+weather

  32. The upside of global warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Globally, cold weather kills 20 times more people than hot weather (study by the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine).

    In the UK, cold weather kills 25 times more people than hot weather.

    So global warming, if it happens, is going to cause a significant decrease in net weather-related fatalities.

    1. Re:The upside of global warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  33. Dry heat is nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I experienced a week of 40-45C(actual) temps in SW Australia; It was a dry heat and didn't feel to bad at all. I had no AC, and was staying in a boat. I would say it felt the same or 'not as bad' as 29C in Florida(humid). We humans can regulate/cool our body temps pretty well in dry heat.. Just stay well hydrated and relax until its over...

  34. Feeling Hot Hot Hot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Olay Olay Olay ...

    What is the national beer of India?

  35. Re:Heat wave? It's a regular occurence by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Precisely. This is much ado about nothing. Not to minimize the deaths, but this happens quite often and isn't anything unusual. Europe's had more deaths from heat in the past...

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  36. Re: Dry Heat: it is about acclimation. by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    30% is low. Back in the 70s in I'll, I would work in temps of 105 with 60-90% humidity. That was humid. And yes, it sux.
    In addition, in the winter, it hit -40f. Most of the time, we would have -30 through -35 for 2-3 weeks at a time.
    But I was acclimated to it.

    After 3 years of moving to Colorado, I went to visit a friend in IL, in the middle of winter when temps were -20 to -25f. I wore the same clothes that I used to ( good down jacket, etc.). AND like always, never a hat. I walked for 20 mins in that and nearly lost my ears for that. Ears were black and it was touch/go if they were to be removed.
    The body can handle extremes, but it needs to acclimate to it. without that , it is a killer.

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  37. Multigenerational households by tepples · · Score: 1

    And if you're sufficiently poor, you might not have the option to fix it.

    If someone has finally saved up enough to move out of their parents house in their hometown

    Many poor people live in multigenerational households because they have no way of saving up that much money.

    We are talking about an extra $100 or $200 to get to a better place, on top of the $1000 or so they already saved to pay for security deposit and start up stuff.

    That's sort of hard at the equivalent of $0.25 per hour.

  38. What kind of shit gets rated 5 star these days. by arvindsg · · Score: 1

    The highest temperature ever recorded in Bangalore is 38.9 C (102 F) (recorded in March 1931).
    Citation:http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/this-is-bangalores-hottest-march-in-15-years/article4564903.ece

  39. No Noel Coward In Bangladesh? by Toad-san · · Score: 1

    "Only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the noonday son."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...

    I thought everyone knew that? Kipling certainly did. (I think, but am not sure, that Coward stole it from him.)

    https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/q...

    So the solutions might include (1) Plant more trees, and (2) Bring Broadway to Bangladesh.

    1. Re:No Noel Coward In Bangladesh? by Toad-san · · Score: 1

      Sorry, change Bangladesh to Bangalore .. or just "cities in India". I don't imagine things are too pleasant in Bangladesh either.

  40. you are young adult in peak condition by peter303 · · Score: 1

    The body is inefficient at dealing with heat very young or old.

  41. Re: Dry Heat: it is about acclimation. by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

    Yikes, frostbite is awful. I hope you don't have pain from it! I'm a big fan of dry weather. Colorado's climate is so easy for me - the cold isn't as bad as humid sea level cold and the heat isn't as bad as humid sea level heat. I think the thinner air and generally low humidity make everything easier to take.

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  42. Re:Life in India has little value. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The non-negotiable dogma of reincarnation is precisely what reduces the value of life. Go see the Infinity Institute website. Its founder Rajiv Malhotra boasts about worshiping idols.

  43. Potassium Citrate by NewYork · · Score: 1

    Drink Potassium Citrate syrup