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Facebook's Absurd Pseudonym Purgatory

An anonymous reader sends a story from a writer whose Facebook account was locked because somebody reported it as using a pseudonym. It doesn't, but Facebook demands a look at identification documents before releasing control over the account. Anyone whose name doesn't sound "real" to Facebook is at risk for this, and the social network doesn't even have a consistent stance on what an "authentic" name is. "Aside from the complexity of identity, the policy is haphazardly enforced at best. At worst, it’s dangerous and discriminatory, and has demonstrably and repeatedly been used to target people who often already are marginalized and vulnerable." Matt Cagle, attorney for the ACLU, says, "By controlling the identity of the speaker with this policy, Facebook has the effect of both reducing speech and eliminating speakers from the platform altogether. This is a particularly concerning move to the ACLU because forums like Facebook serve as the modern-day equivalent of the public square for a lot of communities.

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  1. Do not... by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I repeat, do not treat a private service as a public square. That's a horrible idea.

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    1. Re:Do not... by NotInHere · · Score: 2

      But facebook wants to become one. If they could decide, there wouldn't be any news websites, every story would be shared over facebook.
      Having private companies providing a public service works quite well at many places. Take media and twitter as example. At other places (broadband ISPs in the US) it sucks like hell.

    2. Re: Do not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Water.

    3. Re:Do not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just eminent domain it and then it will solve all the problems; oh wait..

    4. Re:Do not... by taustin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is not a binary equation. There are other categories in between. And there are a lot of examples of restrictions within that spectrum. And Facebook is probably violating some of them, if the allegations are true. It has, for instance, been illegal for 50+ years to discriminate on the basis of religion, race, etc. If your name doesn't sound "authentic" because you are from, say, an African tribe (I mean, really, if Johnathon Goodluck weren't the president of a country, how many Americans would believe that was a real name? Thus, making him, but not people with names like John Smith or Joe Jones, provide documents that can easily be used for identity theft, because he is from Africa and doesn't have a white sounding name, has been illegal for half a century.

      There's also the matter of whether or not Facebook (realizes) they are responsible for any misuse those identity documents are put to. It's only a matter of time before some disgruntled insider sells the whole database to some Russian mafia type.

    5. Re:Do not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is not a binary equation. There are other categories in between. And there are a lot of examples of restrictions within that spectrum. And Facebook is probably violating some of them, if the allegations are true. It has, for instance, been illegal for 50+ years to discriminate on the basis of religion, race, etc. If your name doesn't sound "authentic" because you are from, say, an African tribe (I mean, really, if Johnathon Goodluck weren't the president of a country, how many Americans would believe that was a real name? Thus, making him, but not people with names like John Smith or Joe Jones, provide documents that can easily be used for identity theft, because he is from Africa and doesn't have a white sounding name, has been illegal for half a century.

      There's also the matter of whether or not Facebook (realizes) they are responsible for any misuse those identity documents are put to. It's only a matter of time before some disgruntled insider sells the whole database to some Russian mafia type.

      It's actually Goodluck Jonathan, which sounds even more "fake."

    6. Re:Do not... by quonsar · · Score: 1, Insightful

      He was young white guy at an all black church. You won't believe what happened at the end of Bible study!

    7. Re:Do not... by koan · · Score: 1

      People should stop using it, they have given Zuckerberg and his cronies too much power.

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    8. Re:Do not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit hahaha

    9. Re:Do not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The entire damn internet is privately controlled. What exactly do you suggest as an alternative?

    10. Re:Do not... by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      We're going to build our own Internet, with blackjack and hookers!

    11. Re:Do not... by BitterOak · · Score: 1

      But facebook wants to become one.

      I want to become dictator of the world. It doesn't mean people should let me, and the world would be a terrible place if they did.

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    12. Re:Do not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we do not want private services to function as a public square, we should specifically outlaw them from doing so. After all, that is the function of government.

      If you want to open a business in a free country like the United States and advertise your business as a communication platform there is NO problem requiring that business allow open communication by all. What public good do you propose is damaged by requiring a business like Facebook to allow free speech? If the people wishing to open a business don't like that they can open another business or choose somewhere else to open the communication platform.

    13. Re: Do not... by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 4, Funny

      feed after midnight.

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    14. Re:Do not... by fyngyrz · · Score: 0

      If you want to open a business in a free country like the United States and advertise your business as a communication platform there is NO problem requiring that business allow open communication by all.

      "Private." "Requiring." I do not think those words mean what you seem to think they mean. Free speech, as the constitution mentions it, applies to what the feds are not allowed to do with regard to the speech of the citizens. It's not a mandate enabling them to force the citizens to participate in things they aren't interested in. It just means that the government can't stifle you. A private entity is something else entirely. You may not like it, but there it is.

      You should go read Facebook's terms of service. It'll be educational. I promise.

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    15. Re:Do not... by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Facebook is a pool of exhibitionists that don't care if they are tracked by a large number of commercial interests trying to figure out where they shall market their stuff. The reason why it's 'free' is because you are the merchandise they sell - and everything you 'like' at a vendor is one more thing that adds to the pool.

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    16. Re: Do not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eat the white mints in the urinals

    17. Re:Do not... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the current internet has blackjack and hookers. Like, for real.

      I know, it's shocking. But try to keep up.

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    18. Re:Do not... by avgjoe62 · · Score: 1

      You mean that SISTER MARY JANET might really have been the former Undersecreatry (sic) of the Treasury in Nigeria? Damn, I missed out on 8.6 million dollars!

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    19. Re: Do not... by crashumbc · · Score: 2

      Jesus Christ, I wish I had mod pints. Those three words are the most insight ever (not sarcasm)

      and awsome fucking movie

    20. Re:Do not... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      I repeat, do not treat a private service as a public square. That's a horrible idea.

      He says on Dice's private service.

    21. Re:Do not... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Are you on Facebook? If not, probably most of your family and friends are. Are they all exhibitionists?

      Have you worked out yet why Facebook is successful and the open source Social Networks haven't been?

    22. Re:Do not... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Sister Mary Elephant was a nun.

    23. Re:Do not... by davester666 · · Score: 1

      No, they want to APPEAR to be one. They still want to retain control of what content you are permitted to see.

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    24. Re:Do not... by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Actually - no, most of them aren't on Facebook.

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    25. Re:Do not... by Alumoi · · Score: 1

      .It's only a matter of time before some disgruntled insider sells the whole database to some Russian mafia type.

      Been there, done that. Why do you think they ask for ID in the first place?

    26. Re:Do not... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      How do you know?

    27. Re:Do not... by Calydor · · Score: 1

      What? She wasn't anon, she was Sister Mary Elephant! You just said so yourself!

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    28. Re: Do not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bonkers. my internet stil has privately run web servers and discussion boards.

      we have crypted chat servers, private email servers and the like.

      just the McInternet is owned by corporations. Its your choice to use it or not.

    29. Re:Do not... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      I repeat, do not treat a private service as a public square. That's a horrible idea.

      In a society based on private ownership, it's not something you can avoid. When every space people gather in is owned by a private entity, you either treat them as public or accept that you can't put your soapbox anywhere - and that means destruction. Powers That Be want to preserve status quo because they are the status quo, so they will simply ignore any problems until they grow to the point of tearing society apart.

      Democracies tend to be stabler than autocracies precisely because they give citizens a way to bring up issues and force the Powers to do something about them while they still can. Anonymity is essential to make this mechanism efficient, since it shields the complainer from revenge. And Facebook is far past the point where it can claim equivalency with a corner store; it's decisions - such as forbidding pseudonyms - have (a chilling) effect on the society as a whole, thus society should have a say in them.

      With great power comes a great responsibility. Facebooks and Walmarts of this world want all that sweet power while avoiding any responsibility whatsoever. And so capitalism faces a crisis over this very same thing yet again. Too bad there's no communism anymore to provide a threat recognizable to monkey brains to serve as a wake-up call from ideological daydreams, so I guess this time we go all the way to the point of no return and disintegration.

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    30. Re: Do not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you conveniently forget the spartans of ftmeade. yeah, commies, all of them
        otherwise rhey would not collevt against everybody. again, you are communists !

    31. Re:Do not... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Facebook is sooo yesterday anyways, no halfway interesting community would ever use it as public square...

      But I agree, it is an extremely bad idea, albeit one Facebook surely loves, as it will force more users into their service.

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    32. Re:Do not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    33. Re: Do not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the blue ones? Can I eat the blue ones?

    34. Re:Do not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Facebook IS misuse of those documents and their policy is the misuse. It is plainly obvious that Facebook is an information collector. The fact they insist upon legal names indicates they consider each users personal identity of prime importance for the distribution of the information they collect. Of course NSA Total Information Awareness has nothing the do with Facebook.

    35. Re:Do not... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I do not know. You might be better than what we have right now.

      I would like to be dictator of the world. All my policies and laws must remain in effect after I leave - they must remain in effect for, say, ten years. I will resign from my position after a week.

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    36. Re:Do not... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Yeah, now it is Sister Mary Bob.

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    37. Re:Do not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I repeat, do not treat a private service as a public square. That's a horrible idea.

      He says on Dice's private service.

      I love the scent of irony on a rainy afternoon.

    38. Re:Do not... by kheldan · · Score: 1

      I repeat, do not use Facebook anymore. That's a horrible idea.

      Seriously, when are people going to learn?

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    39. Re:Do not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But we don't want to share them.

    40. Re:Do not... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      But facebook wants to become one.[a public square]

      Oh, I seriously doubt it. They might want to e perceived as a public square, or to morph people's concept of a public space into "something like Facebook, but with weather and pigeon shit," but that is a very different aspiration.

      For a start, in a public square, you don't have to pay an entry fee, and you don't have to look at adverts. That in itself would be a financial death knell for Facebook ,if they were to become a "public square".

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    41. Re:Do not... by allo · · Score: 1

      oh, someone got a joke. congratulations!

  2. well, i have this same problem by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    turkeydance. i identify as a bird.

    1. Re:well, i have this same problem by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      Mark Eagle (aka: Cagle) of the ACLU empathizes with your pflight.

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    2. Re:well, i have this same problem by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      I identify as as false name.

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    3. Re:well, i have this same problem by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I thought we have been over this, what matters is how you self-identify.

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  3. Facebook ignorance. by geekmux · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "...forums like Facebook serve as the modern-day equivalent of the public square for a lot of communities."

    Is there a way to identify these communities? Just trying to avoid areas of mass stupidity where Facebook somehow supplanted actual news outlets.

    Those who feel Facebook is in the position of being a modern day times square have obviously never heard of a troll before.

    Enjoy.

    1. Re:Facebook ignorance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it's only like a town square IN THAT people are personally accountable for their posts. If people can use pseudonyms without any restrictions at all, this will be lost and there will be a flood of venomous noise.

      I think pseudonyms should be allowed, but everyone's identity should still be linked to their account unambiguously. Perhaps a facebook-level whois service would be a good enough compromise - behind the scenes, but (ostensibly) still there. (OTOH I can't remember the last time I learned anything from a whois, other than who the registrar paid to keep quiet about the registration.)

    2. Re:Facebook ignorance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Snarky comments like yours don't really change anything about the fact that to many people, Facebook is the center of the internet.

    3. Re:Facebook ignorance. by shubus · · Score: 2

      "...forums like Facebook serve as the modern-day equivalent of the public square for a lot of communities."

      Is there a way to identify these communities? Just trying to avoid areas of mass stupidity where Facebook somehow supplanted actual news outlets.

      Those who feel Facebook is in the position of being a modern day times square have obviously never heard of a troll before.

      Enjoy.

      I solved the Facebook problem by finally getting off it. Glad I did so.

    4. Re:Facebook ignorance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And by avoiding facebook I avoid those people, everyone wins!

    5. Re:Facebook ignorance. by JustOK · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Facebook is the center of the internet.

      Like the anus is the center of a human

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    6. Re:Facebook ignorance. by taustin · · Score: 1

      Well it's only like a town square IN THAT people are personally accountable for their posts. If people can use pseudonyms without any restrictions at all, this will be lost and there will be a flood of venomous noise.

      How is that different from the current flood of venomous noise on Facebook? That they keep having to update their policies shows they recognize the problem, and want to stop catching hell over it (as opposed to stopping it, which is impossible and can only suppress legitimate speech in the attempt).

    7. Re:Facebook ignorance. by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Exactly. If I had mod points, they'd be yours.

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    8. Re: Facebook ignorance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd be surprised. A lot of times there are things I want to take part in but can't because it's hosted by Facebook.

      It's mostly events and discussion by less known people, but you're effectively cut out if you don't have an account.

      It isn't something they probably intend, but it leaves people out anyways.

    9. Re:Facebook ignorance. by koan · · Score: 1

      It's also a marketing ploy, you can show your users are real.

      Or are they?
      Facebook click farms
      https://theweek.com/articles/5...

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    10. Re:Facebook ignorance. by koan · · Score: 1

      Which is something we should be concerned about.

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    11. Re: Facebook ignorance. by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      I have two facebook accounts for things just like that. One is a political leaning account and the other is a random IT like account where I only look at or view interests of those nature on each account. I don't post anything or mark anyone friends or participate outside of that. I probably spend more time trying to remember the log in and passwords for the accounts than I do on them. but in the rare occasion some idiot thinks it's the only way to get their message out, I do end up being about to see it just before I email blast their PR department about how much of an unprofessional idiot a facebook only thing makes them appear.

    12. Re:Facebook ignorance. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Snarky comments like yours don't really change anything about the fact that to many people, Facebook is the center of the internet.

      And that isn't saying anything good about those people.

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    13. Re: Facebook ignorance. by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      -1? Plus five ironic, more like. :)

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    14. Re: Facebook ignorance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But using pseudonyms is important to free speech. You can always close accounts for violating the rules of being civil, but that's not what's going on. It's being primarily used for SCA members, reenactors, pagans, LGBT, etc that want to speak under a different name in their communities. It's clearly aimed at censoring what their speech is ABOUT and not for misuse of Facebook. I have a half dozen SCA friends that use their registered SCA name but that's not "good enough". The have professional careers and don't want their SCA weekend stuff bleeding into their professional or family circle of friends. It's clearly "brigading" going on because the complaints come in targeted waves. Heck with Facebooks rules I couldn't even use my Slashdot handle (which is still broken from mobile) that I've had for 10+ years.

    15. Re:Facebook ignorance. by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      +5 for the best fazebook comment ever.

      Best thing I've read on /. in quite a while.

      The only only thing to answer to the summary is:

      "And nothing of value was lost."

    16. Re: Facebook ignorance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1000.

      well, thinking about it. it is more a cancerous abscess. dont do injustice to the asshole. we cant live without asshole, but suerly the internet can exist without facebook.

    17. Re:Facebook ignorance. by allo · · Score: 1

      tells us anonmous coward.

      seriously, there are a lot of idiots on facebook posting with their realname. more idiots than the pseudonymous users of some other websites.
      "real" identity is NOT a reason not to post something.

      and it's a basic right to be anonymous.

      In germany every service MUST provide the option to use it pseudonymously, if there are no real reasons against it (like a shop may ask for your real address).
      This holds for facebook as well ... facebook just does not care about it.

  4. Facebook provides a valuable service to its users. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyday they provide new reasons not to use them.

  5. NEWSFLASH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook is dogshit.

    1. Re:NEWSFLASH by JustOK · · Score: 1

      Dogshit, albeit in some small ways, is useful.

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    2. Re:NEWSFLASH by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Dogshit, albeit in some small ways, is useful.

      Indeed (Purefinder - a person who picks up dog feces to sell to a tannery, 18th Century Europe)

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    3. Re:NEWSFLASH by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Like dog shit, but covering the planet to a depth of 50 feet.

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    4. Re:NEWSFLASH by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Dogshit, albeit in some small ways, is useful.

      Just like the old AOL CD's.

      Facebook is just the 21st century version of AOL, for that matter.

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    5. Re: NEWSFLASH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sp is dogshit. it nurtures poisonous plants.

  6. I use one by future+assassin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    and have it tied to my business account. One thing I discovered Facebook and Especially Google are usless for anything business related with out paying up the ass for likes. Only reason I got a G+ account that I update once in a while is that it lists me higher than the other local businesses in search.

    Probably in the next few months I'll abandon both of them usage wise and just keep them for search indexing.

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    1. Re:I use one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've pretty much determined the same thing. It's also useless and won't get you any more sales. Paying for Facebook likes will not increase sales. Paying for Google Adwords is even demonstratively a waste of money. Only natural word of mouth and regular search index placement matters.

    2. Re:I use one by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Man, why does everyone have to charge businesses for things. It's like they are all trying to run a business or something.

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    3. Re:I use one by koan · · Score: 1

      Facebook click farms
      https://theweek.com/articles/5...

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    4. Re: I use one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Email lists are great for marketing. It means you have to send them things they want regularly, but if the items for sale match the topics you'll probably find people are willing to look at an occasional ad.

    5. Re:I use one by cfalcon · · Score: 2

      The problem is when a business comes into a space, "embraces and extends" the standard, and makes themselves the gatekeepers of something they have no business having a fucking fence around in the first place.

      A business charges for services or goods or something, someone who takes all your shit and charges you to use it is something else entirely.

    6. Re:I use one by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I say that same speech every time I'm kicked out of a store for using the bathroom without buying anything first.

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    7. Re:I use one by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      I'm running a business.

      I've used Google AdWords before (when it was affordable - 8-10 years ago I paid $0.10-0.20 per click where maybe one in 100 got me a sale, but a sale was worth about $400 to me, and would often result in repeat business). It was worth it, got me quite some business. A good investment.

      Now I'm running a tourism business, and clicks will cost me $1.00-2.00 each - offer lower and I'm not even listed on the tenth page of search results. Maybe 1 in 100 gets me a sale, and a sale is worth about $10-20 each, with little chance of repeat business, that's the nature of tourism. Google AdWords is not worthwhile for me.

      I have before found Google to be a great platform for targeted advertising. Based on the search words people put in they target ads quite well - I'm using their ads as well when searching for commercial offerings of something. Unfortunately they have become too expensive for me, small time operator. I have to do with SEO and trying to get more hits from search results, which appears to do the job quite well.

      Facebook I am still using, but what most irritates me is that I have nearly 3,000 likes on my page, but when I post something after a few days I have a reach of 100-300 people (according to Facebook). And I get 10-20 likes on my posts - typically 5-10% of the reach gives me a like. That's very high, and more likes and other interactions should get a post to be distributed much further - that's at least what Facebook tells me. Obviously something is not right here.

      I tried to pay for more exposure, with limited success. I'm targeting the English speaking population of Hong Kong, but half of that is domestic helper (i.e. has no money to spend), and those are highly over-represented on Facebook to boot. I think I got about my money worth back in sales. Not a too good investment. It did get me quite some exposure but imho the price is too high. I've stopped paying anything to Facebook, especially as they don't even distribute my messages to the people that already told Facebook they want to see it: i.e. everyone that "likes" my page.

      Now I use Facebook just to enhance word-of-mouth. After events I post my photos, so people may share it with their friends. I share my event announcements in relevant groups on Facebook, and get quite some exposure that way. I'm not paying them anything any more, it's not worth it. Facebook could be the ultimate platform for targeted advertising, considering how much they know about their users, but they utterly fail in that respect.

      I'm perfectly happy to pay for advertising, but only if it delivers. Now I have my product listed on various web sites, which resell tickets to my events, taking their cut of the price when they make a sale. No sale, no cost for me. As an added bonus, those services actually do deliver.

    8. Re:I use one by UnixUnix · · Score: 1

      (I would mod you up, but then I wouldn't be able to comment.) Those 3000 likes on a Page are less good than 3000 Friends on a profile, and for the latter a posted Status has a reach of about 10%, of which in turn if more than 10-20% hit Like it is due to mutuality and personal feelings. Or maybe booby avatars. I believe you are right in not paying FB for spiffs, it is indeed not worth it. FB (or any other single platform) is unlikely to provide a solution, one needs a planned, coordinated strategy involving many platforms, and the devil of course is in the details. "Engaging your public", "offering value", avoiding overt boring sells ... if only these can be more than catchphrases. Good luck! and of course "Half of my advertising budget goes to waste -- if I only knew which half!"

    9. Re:I use one by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Why is 3000 friends better than 3000 likes on a business page? I'd rather say "different". It's a different purpose and expectation when one likes a business or befriends a person.

      Then the point where Facebook gets to decide who is going to see what. I'm quite unhappy with the feeling that I see only like 10% of what pages that I like post. I want to see ALL they post, there may be something of interest that I otherwise miss. So also looking from the reader's POV it sucks, and decreases the usefulness of Facebook drastically.

  7. I'm sorry for not using my full name here by TeknoHog · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's actually Professor Tekno A. Hogg, M.Pupp. (Cantab). Now that you know my full name, I'm sure you will take my opinions much more seriously, because free speech is all about who says something, not what is actually being discussed.

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    1. Re:I'm sorry for not using my full name here by JustOK · · Score: 1

      Mom?

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    2. Re:I'm sorry for not using my full name here by koan · · Score: 1

      Yes, identity over content.

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    3. Re:I'm sorry for not using my full name here by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      DotSlash does not attempt to conflate user with identity. So unless I see the exact same thing on BookFace, which I won't since I don't use it, you are noise.

      If you intended to make a point, you are logically impaired and you should try again.

    4. Re:I'm sorry for not using my full name here by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      I can personally vouch for Professor Hogg. That is indeed his or her real name.

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      sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f(q{sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f});
    5. Re:I'm sorry for not using my full name here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually knowing the source of a comment is critical to evaluating it. This is why scientific journals started using well known review boards, for example (a practice which has been co-opted lately by marketing programs, with the predictable loss of validity of the process).

      The most serious problem of the internet as a source of legitimate information is the anonymity of the sources. This has been shown over and over again. I still get the giggles remembering when people started to realize that those "independent" bloggers, whom people were taking as being fountains of truth, were revealed to be paid writers who happily disseminated whatever "facts" their employers wanted out there. And people still won't learn that lesson. Just recently it made the news that various governments were running blogger units who would descend on various social media sites to make coordinated sets of comments in order to promote false information. Again, I giggle at the nativity of the general internet user that this is a surprise to them because anyone who understands human nature in the least would simply expect that a comment from an unknown/unverified source is, in all likelihood, either a blatant lie or at best uninformed (as for uninformed, go read up on the Dunning-Kruger Effect which basically determined that the less that one knows about a subject, the more confidence they have in their conclusions).

      So yes, knowing the source of information is critical to evaluating its validity.

      The second major problem with the internet is that it is populated by too many extremists and plain old twits to be a safe place to expose one's true identity in many cases. Which exposes the fundamental flaw of the Internet as a source of information. It has too many thugs and twits to be a legitimate source of information in many cases.

  8. Public Square by JBMcB · · Score: 1

    Ahh.. Public Square - the phrase to use when trying to coerce someone into doing something you want.

    It's a dumb policy. Don't use Facebook. If people don't care they'll use Facebook anyway. Problem solves itself.

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    1. Re:Public Square by sgage · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes. No one is forcing anyone to use Facebook, so don't! And as much as they would like to be a 'Public Square', or a utility, they are not. FB is Zuckerberg's joke on humanity.

    2. Re:Public Square by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      Tienanman, Times, Red, and Trafalgar are Public Squares that come to mind, although Cleveland has the exact namesake. The Facebook has become the gathering place of the masses, whether or not we participate or condone the condition.

      As their de facto monopoly on popular opinion increases, it will become more efficient to cater to the masses through this venue unless a viable competitor is developed.

      Verifying identities is very much to the advantage of a company who sells its members personal information.

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    3. Re:Public Square by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Right. And real identities are what brought the people to Facebook in the first place. First as students in selected colleges. People replicated their real live social networks on Facebook. It gave them the ability to communicate with all their friends and acquaintances at once. Previous to that the only way was with mass emails, and that sucked.

      After colleges it spread out through workplaces and other real life groups. People joining largely because they began to realise that their friends were communicating on their, and they were getting left out of the loop.

      Advertisers love it. But so do people, otherwise it wouldn't be one of the biggest sites on the internet.

  9. A better policy: by Zaphod-AVA · · Score: 1

    They should probably just switch to a policy where an account requires a credit card, or valid ID, and you only allow one private and one public account per person.

    -Z

    1. Re:A better policy: by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      It would cost Facebook real money to do all that verification. Lots of it. They aren't really serious about this stuff. They just want to play both sides from the middle. In all ways and forms.

    2. Re:A better policy: by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      That would let a competitor in for all the kids or adults that either can't, don't want to or can't be bothered to fulfil those requirements. And require extra staff for the ID checking.

    3. Re:A better policy: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does that mean actors and other celebrities would have to use their real names, not their stage or pen names? And, if you do allow them to use pseudonyms, how can you justify disallowing others from doing so without invoking class privilege?

    4. Re:A better policy: by allo · · Score: 1

      why should we even have a policy of one account per person?

  10. Who gives a flying... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't like Facebook terms? Don't use it. There are better ways of getting attention from other people, like joining a dance troupe.

    1. Re:Who gives a flying... by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, several of the mobile games I'm playing right now have a facebook login feature. This is for the obvious reasons- they want me to spam people for them- but the bigger problem is, most of these games don't have a reasonable way to get BACK my account if something happens to my phone data.

      So I'm absolutely considering creating a facebook account for exactly this reason. Since I don't have a real facebook, and don't want one, I've been trying to figure out the odds that someone could get my account locked / deleted (and presumably my game data too).

      It's a poor set of choices if you actually want to play these set of games at all.

  11. Don't use your name on the internet. Period by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Only a fool would put their real name or address anywhere on the internet with the exception of places you buy stuff from.

    I always use real sounding pseudonyms (frank johnson, james alexander etc) to prevent accounts being flagged as bot or fake accounts.

  12. Here's my real name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    see above.
    So glad I never signed up for this shit in the first place.

  13. This policy is ridiculous by jonsmirl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have two Facebook accounts, a real one with with my real info and another one I just use for playing games. I don't want to mix 'friends' from casual games in with my real friends. I used a pseudonym on the second account. Facebook just locked my second account this week and wouldn't release it until I sent in a photo of my driver's license. I consider that a huge invasion of privacy. I had be using the second account for a long time under the pseudonym. After receiving my driver's license they changed the name on the account to my real name (now no one in the games knows who I am) and they entered all of the data from driver's license into the profile. This is just a total mess which is going to cause me to use Facebook even less than I do now.

    1. Re:This policy is ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You gave some random website a photocopy of your driver's license. I feel sorry for you.

    2. Re:This policy is ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You consider it a huge invasion of your privacy, but it's not. At all.

      Why? Because they asked. And you complied.

      This is 'invasion' like an army massing on the border, a general sending a note saying 'can we come in', and getting one back saying 'yes fine'.

    3. Re:This policy is ridiculous by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      Pretty much this.

      I had ordered something over the internet from a company I had previously turned some trade with , and this latest transaction initiated a request for some photo ID to go with the bank card. Or. You can pay with Paypal.

      I believe it's statistically safer to use Umbrella Corporations like Amazon and Paypal, than to leave too much info in too many different hands.

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    4. Re:This policy is ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you an idiot? Why do you expose yourself to such crappy treatment? Just dump Facebook, your life will be just fine without it. If somebody doesn't care enough to send you an email or a text then they're not really your friend and if you don't make your living in the public eye then you have no business being on Facebook.

    5. Re:This policy is ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .... which is going to cause me to use Facebook even less than I do now

      The best thing to do is to not use it at all

    6. Re:This policy is ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, could we have a photo of your driver's license too? Why not?

    7. Re:This policy is ridiculous by koan · · Score: 1

      Stupid...

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    8. Re:This policy is ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would send them a photoshopped ID with the name I want to be on the account. Passport of a 3rd country somewhere, to avoid running afoul of US law.
      Facebook is a private entity, and they are decidedly not entitled to demand actual government-issued identification. As such, sending them crap is not illegal (but making fake US id might be, so may be use Venezuela or something :) )

    9. Re:This policy is ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much this.

      I had ordered something over the internet from a company I had previously turned some trade with , and this latest transaction initiated a request for some photo ID to go with the bank card. Or. You can pay with Paypal.

      I believe it's statistically safer to use Umbrella Corporations like Amazon and Paypal, than to leave too much info in too many different hands.

      Umbrella Corporation thanks you for your continued trust and support, friend citizen!

    10. Re:This policy is ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Photoshopping a foreign passport is still a violation of US law (18 USC 1543).

    11. Re:This policy is ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >and they entered all of the data from driver's license into the profile.

      whoa, i'm just going to make a fake ID then

    12. Re:This policy is ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > and wouldn't release it until I sent in a photo of my driver's license

      Which is stupid because how is facebook to know that you are the person on the ID? Or even that it isn't just a photoshop job since the entire point of all the anti-counterfeiting tech on modern drivers licenses is to differentiate copies from originals, not copies of valid IDs from copies of fake IDs.

    13. Re:This policy is ridiculous by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Pretty much this.

      I had ordered something over the internet from a company I had previously turned some trade with , and this latest transaction initiated a request for some photo ID to go with the bank card. Or. You can pay with Paypal.

      I believe it's statistically safer to use Umbrella Corporations like Amazon and Paypal, than to leave too much info in too many different hands.

      This happened to me too - I was about to comply and send off the request when I realized at the last minute that not only was the information "in the clear", but there was no protection of that information at all. I mean, what's the point of SSL and all that when you're just going to email that information in the clear?

      Plus, well, most cardholder agreements will shift the liability to you if you intentionally send copies of your card around.

      For me, I cancelled the order. I don't know why I didn't just use Paypal in the first place, but no biggie. They lost out anyhow because the first time, they sent me a 10% off coupon. I used that the replacement order so I saved 10% off by not screwing around with companies that may have honest intentions, but go about it the wrong way.

      I wonder what happens if they try to do it with Paypal... that could lead to some messy consequences if they held onto the money and refused to ship.

    14. Re:This policy is ridiculous by Ormy · · Score: 1

      Yep. I cannot have my account under my real name because I sometimes work with children and young offenders who know my name, it would be quite annoying if they could all find me easily on facebook, even though I have all the privacy settings (good one!) turned up to max. If facebook turns round and says I can't use that pseudonym anymore I'll just delete everything and move to google+ or something. I suspect a lot of people would do the same.

    15. Re:This policy is ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sent facebook your drivers license??? And you still use Facebook??? Christ.

    16. Re:This policy is ridiculous by Reziac · · Score: 1

      And they fail to consider that anyone with a good printer and an editing program can whip up a convincing driver's license, certainly good enough to pass muster as a photocopy.

      And yet there are over 500 Facebook users right now with the same rather unconvincing 'real name' as my own account.

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    17. Re:This policy is ridiculous by amorsen · · Score: 1

      In many places, using a forged document is a crime. In Denmark at least it has a maximum penalty of 2 years in prison. It is possible that the interaction with Facebook does not actually involve a legal agreement, and so the law would not apply, but I would hate to rely on that argument in court.

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    18. Re:This policy is ridiculous by Reziac · · Score: 1

      That's a problem, yeah. I think it would depend on whether "intent to defraud" could be demonstrated, and whether it gets prosecuted as "theft of services"... there's a fine can of worms, considering that Facebook users are the product being sold by Facebook. Are they thereby defrauding their advertisers??

      (In the U.S., generally you can call yourself whatever you like so long as there's no intent to defraud.)

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    19. Re:This policy is ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Facebook can use you more. They would probably not call it a total mess but a winning strategy.

  14. Why not celebrities, too? by msobkow · · Score: 2

    Fair is fair -- why are celebrities allowed to go by their stage names?

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    1. Re:Why not celebrities, too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In your time here on Earth, you may not have realized that rules don't apply to celebrities, the rich and children of whites.

      "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" -- Animal Farm

    2. Re:Why not celebrities, too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be a moron. The person complaining about this is just as likely the child of some white.

      But, yes, celebrities get to do what they want because FB needs them to maintain relevance and some celebs actually pay FB. The rules are different when you are less valuable as a customer/asset.

    3. Re:Why not celebrities, too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be a moron. The person complaining about this is just as likely the child of some white.

      Yes, it's not unusual for white children to complain.

    4. Re:Why not celebrities, too? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Because Facebook has a lot more to gain from them being there under their stage names than not being there.

      Besides celebrities are there with Pages in their stage names. The account used to set the page up is probably under the real name of the person they hired to do their social media.

    5. Re:Why not celebrities, too? by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      I have seen so many names that are totally unlikely to be real.

      How about names like "Mercy Grace Cee Ogoy" (used to be Gray Cee Riggs until half year or so ago - name of the account changed, also an indicator of pseudonym use) or "FragiLe HEart" (capitalisation as used on Facebook).

      Facebook doesn't seem to really care.

  15. At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion... by Roger+Wilcox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who the fuck cares about Facebook?

    Facebook is a despicable company that doesn't have even a basic level of respect for its users. This has been readily apparent to anyone who has been willing to look for the better part of a decade. You want to be a part of that? Go right ahead. Just don't act all indignant when they arbitrarily lock your account or sell the data they have on you to corporations or the government.

    Furthermore, likening Facebook to a public square is just silly. Public squares don't fight for your clicks by targeting you with advertisements. Public squares won't track every move you make on the Internet after you leave. And, most relevant of all, public squares are places where it's perfectly acceptable to remain anonymous through the use of any pseudonym you can dream up.

    I say let Facebook do whatever they want. The more egregious the abuse, the more likely another clueless user will wake up and boycott that shit.

  16. And the weirdest thing is by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    People are stupid enough to comply with them when they request documents too. Seriously. I'm pretty sure my dog can live without a facebook account if the account she currently lends me is ever closed.

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    1. Re:And the weirdest thing is by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      That's funny, because my dog had a Facebook Account, specifically to play Farmville. I would never do anything that stupid, nor want a potential employer to know I would waste time that way. Not that my dog played it very long, either.

  17. Targeted ads is fine, but not linking to a real ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm fine with them targeting ads to my interests. I actually like seeing new information about topics I enjoy. However, my problem is when they so aggressively demand to link it to my real identity, name, address, family members, etc. There's no legitimate need to have that information for marketing purposes. It's intrusive at best and fascistic at worst. I don't see how they could have any non-evil need for such information.

  18. Ivan Jagonoff by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    My Facebook name is "Dick Gazinya" and it has been such since 2006. Please don't report me.

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    1. Re:Ivan Jagonoff by Earthquake+Retrofit · · Score: 1

      Where can I find a list of valid sounding names like Pat McGroin and Buster Hymen?

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    2. Re:Ivan Jagonoff by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Just ask Moe the tavern owner from Springfield.

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    3. Re:Ivan Jagonoff by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Where can I find a list of valid sounding names like Pat McGroin and Buster Hymen?

      My friend, you have come to the right place:

      Herbie Versmels
      Harry P. Ness (and his sister, Ima P. Ness)
      Hugh Janus
      Jenny Taylia
      Mike Rotchburns
      Phillip Oliver Krevises
      Tara McClosof
      Stu Pidass

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    4. Re:Ivan Jagonoff by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      look up a song calls "paging Richard smoker".

      You will find a couple good ideas.

    5. Re:Ivan Jagonoff by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Welcome to Facebook's list of joke names. Please supply a valid ID to proceed.

  19. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

    And, most relevant of all, public squares are places where it's perfectly acceptable to remain anonymous through the use of any pseudonym you can dream up.

    Except in the public square you are identifiable by your face unless you're wearing a ski mask.

    A right to be anonymous is not the same as a right to be anonymous AND participate fully in society. People who have used anonymity to spread speech that challenges power have to watch their asses, which means that they make a sacrifice. You can still have anonymity, but you're going to have to sacrifice.

    Nobody owes you anonymity.

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  20. we need to get away from facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When a social network becomes so big and so important that facebook's policies negatively impact a person's life and the ACLU feels it needs to fight for them, it's time to get away from that social network.

    We need an alternative form of connecting to each other, one that isn't controlled by the policies of a single company. One *WE* control.

  21. photoshop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Im sure one can make some satisfactory fake IDs for this cause... in fact there's probably a market for it in facebook :)

  22. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can stand up in any public square the US and give my opinion of whatever topic I want to. I don't have to provide my name to do so.I don't have to show my papers. I don't have to get permission from overnight billioinaires. I can simply tell people what I am thinking, and call myself Silence Dogood.

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  23. A place without anonymity is useful by anyaristow · · Score: 1

    Facebook is a place where most of the people you encounter have a real-world persona that pretty much matches their online persona, so if you take care to know the people you friend, it cuts out a lot of bad behavior. You have the opportunity, though you can also screw it up with poor choices of friends, to have a community that avoids much of the trouble of random corners of the internet. People are *much* better behaved when their real-world friends and acquaintances can see them.

    This is useful. It doesn't serve every purpose, and it isn't intended to. It isn't for everyone, and that's okay. It discriminates against people who would otherwise behave behind a pseudonym, so it's not perfect. Nothing is.

    A place without pseudonyms is useful, even if it isn't universal.

    Disclaimer: My slashdot name is a pseudonym. My facebook name isn't.

    1. Re:A place without anonymity is useful by nicoleb_x · · Score: 1

      Facebook has what are effectively public forums where friends are not personal friends but friends of some activity or idea. There is no reason to insist on a documented name for something that doesn't require trust.

    2. Re:A place without anonymity is useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My slashdot name is a pseudonym. My facebook name isn't.

      That's dangerous. If you slip up even once, the two identities are forever linked. Even if you don't, somebody might be able to link the two anyway through careful data analysis. One day you're going to lose that game and it wont be pretty, I guarantee it.

    3. Re:A place without anonymity is useful by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      It does have that. But people are still better behaved on those when posting under their real name.

      It's all down to the Greater Internet Dickwad Theory.

    4. Re:A place without anonymity is useful by DescX · · Score: 1

      This never really struck me as something to be concerned about (keeping aliases compartmentalized in an insane way). People used pseudonyms before the internet came around and couldn't avoid having their identities associated.

      False positive matches and fraudulent application of information systems via automation and guesswork are what we need to be railing against -- NOT the simple fact that association of identity happens in the first place. Code that doesn't actually do what it says it does is a bane to us all. Let's take a job searching service like Taleo (everyone shudder collectively, now!). It's piss poor at reading a person's resume; could never uncover everything about a person accurately; and won't be able to grade your performance on the job... yet makes broad sweeping generalizations that lead to rendering decisions in the real world that are certainly causing pain.

      Programs can read natural language and parse irregular grammar very well -- but they can't make judgement calls, they can't link up to the physical world in any meaningful way, and they certainly can't read into a person's intent. Thus, all remote identification is entirely devoid of value. Think of the "swatting" indicents with TwitchTV (another service to shudder over, for entirely different reasons!). Sure, if some jackass manages to get a cop squad to show up at your door and arrest you by phoning in your live stream to a local PD, it'd be extremely inconvenient and highly stressful to endure the ordeal. However, this is no different from having an asshole neighbour with friends in high places who develops a sudden case of dimentia and phones you in because you proclaimed "THE SKY IS NOT BLUE!!@!" that one time. You can't stop other people from living in fear. What you can do is educate them.

      It's better to let this kind of nonsense (keyword matched employment; "swatting"; carding internet smurfs) go on until a critical mass of people are negatively affected. A tanked economy draws attention in a way that no mere mortal could hope to, and in a perverse way, we're lucky that there's so much money behind information systems that are doomed to epic failure -- or at minimum, epic change. If people are unsuccessful at exposing systemic flaws with rational argument, trade collapses will do the trick eventually (though I sincerely hope this never comes to pass!!).

      I have a very common name and only realized this after looking myself up for shits and giggles a few years ago. I'm a huge software geek / armchair psychology enthusiast and don't pass up a chance to learn about much of anything. I've probably got a halo over my head in one database, and the raging fires of hell in another. I'm aware that the average intellectual capacity of everyone from a Facebook account admin, to HR representative, to the NSA boogeyman is far below the threshold of genius. I know people in all of these kinds of jobs, and it scares me that they are responsible for anything more important than flipping burgers. But I think hard about this stuff: if I was alive in 1900, I'd be terrified of religious people, in the same way I'm scared of people who lack critical thinking faculties today. One slip and my atheist leanings could have made me a target through the early 1900s for all kinds of abuse. However, if I'd been alive then as the same person I am today, I would have made no effort to hide myself because it would have been -a] largely impossible, and -b] detrimental to advancing the cause of rational thought. History is teaching us that secular sensibilities continue to evolve while fundamentalist religion gets kicked farther to the curb each day. I believe (but cannot prove...) that the same thing will happen with making decisions about others based on information systems. It will become just as unpopular as it is to determine one's views based on which fictional book they read. We'll take the good lessons we've learned -- how to build complex algorithms -- and apply them responsibly in ways that help, while gradually throwing out the wonton us

    5. Re:A place without anonymity is useful by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Nah, I'm still an ass under my real name.

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  24. Brilliant idea.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a brilliant idea.. Facebook requires real names as part of its terms of service.. put your real fucking name in, or don't use the fucking website!. Is this so god damn hard to understand? No one but you cares if you want to have your made up wiccan name.. god knows there's enough freaking raven moon/unit/cloud/wolf or whatever fairy tale you want to live in. No one cares about your gaming name, your crossdresser name, your stage name, etc.. they have categories for that, and yeah, you have to pay for distribution on that, but hey, you're not being a real fucking person, you're being an actor or playing a role.. guess what, you go to the option to pay to troll the public. that's how it works numbnuts. and lets not bring in the sorry assed PC patrol in on this either. if its a private service, its their rules, obey them or leave. no one cares what you think you're entitled to, or what you think the service has become.

    1. Re:Brilliant idea.. by Anonanonaon · · Score: 1

      Your childishly oversimple world view and pissy rant aside...

      I have a friend who just got married. Her legal name changed as a result. She's straight, has no agenda, is a bland, white female who believes the TV news because, "Why would they lie?", doesn't ask questions and is perfectly happy being a father-knows-best vanilla citizen. In her mightiest throes of intellectual dissent, discussion topics rarely stray from the kind of drapes she wants in her house and whether to go with public or private schools when she has kids. She'd probably even agree with your infantile position, though your cuss words might upset her.

      But FB is giving her trouble over her last name changing, indicating that their rules and enforcement are stoned.

      How does that fit into your little tantrum?

    2. Re:Brilliant idea.. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The weird thing is that Facebook tries to act like they are very mainstream and socially normative, but they don't have a mechanism in place for women to change from their maiden to their married name. It's almost like Facebook is based in a weird reality where they don't even know that a woman would ever do something like that.

    3. Re:Brilliant idea.. by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      And what about those people who have "moon unit" as their actual given, real, and not made-up name? (or rather made-up dreamed-up or hallucinated-up by their parents)

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  25. Nobody is not a valid email address by Pfhorrest · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have an email username "nobody" at one of my own domains that I use for things that I don't want connected to me. It's a perfectly functional normal email account just like the ones I actually use, it just happens to be named "nobody".

    When I was forced to sign up for a Facebook account for a development project that integrated with Facebook, I signed up using that email address. Facebook refused with a message that was tantamount to "ha ha no but really, what's your email address?" Fuckers, that IS a real fucking email address...

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    1. Re:Nobody is not a valid email address by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      I have an email username "nobody" at one of my own domains that I use for things that I don't want connected to me. It's a perfectly functional normal email account just like the ones I actually use, it just happens to be named "nobody".

      When I was forced to sign up for a Facebook account for a development project that integrated with Facebook, I signed up using that email address. Facebook refused with a message that was tantamount to "ha ha no but really, what's your email address?" Fuckers, that IS a real fucking email address...

      They don't want a *functioning* email address, they want an email address connected to you.

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    2. Re:Nobody is not a valid email address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use postmaster for my account. But those idiots haven't caught on yet.

    3. Re:Nobody is not a valid email address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > They don't want a *functioning* email address, they want an email address connected to you.

      Yes, email address and phone# are the two best primary keys for Big Data to cross-reference data from different databases in order to profile you.

      I have taken to generating per-contact email addresses at my own private domain (a domainname which includes the word "mail" like foomail.com so it isn't obviously a single-user domain). I just use the rot13 of the domain I am giving the address too, plus a date, so facebook would be snprobbx150621@foomail.com. Has the added benefit that I can shit-can any email sent to an address that doesn't end with a YYMMDD datecode, so those spammers who spew random addresses never get me either.

      Also, with a prepaid phone it is easy to change my phone number every time I recharge. I still keep another phone with a longer-lived phone-number for personal (human) contacts.

    4. Re:Nobody is not a valid email address by antdude · · Score: 1

      What about other services beside Facebook?

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  26. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I can stand up in any public square the US and give my opinion of whatever topic I want to. I don't have to provide my name to do so.I don't have to show my papers.

    None of that has anything to do with "anonymity".

    If you come into the public square and start to holler about how black people need to die because they're raping all the white women and taking over the country, people will remember your face, I guarantee. And when you come back tomorrow, someone will recognize you as the Dylann Roof-acting motherfucker. They don't need to know your name, or see your papers to know who you are.

    Unless you have a hood over your face, of course, which I suppose is possible in certain parts of the US.

    See, facial recognition has been around for as long as people have been around. Your anonymity in the public square goes as far as the extent of peoples' ability to remember your face.

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  27. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Public squares don't fight for your clicks by targeting you with advertisements. Public squares won't track every move you make on the Internet after you leave. And, most relevant of all, public squares are places where it's perfectly acceptable to remain anonymous through the use of any pseudonym you can dream up.

    Have you ever been to the United Kingdom? Our public squares do all of these things.

  28. Facebook? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    So glad I never made a facebook account. No facebook, linkedin, pinterest, no twitter, etc etc etc.

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  29. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by currently_awake · · Score: 1

    The United States has this wierd thing called free speech zones. If the government doesn't like your message they will try to force you to use them instead of the public square.

  30. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by penguinoid · · Score: 1

    Who the fuck cares about Facebook?

    Hey! Don't badmouth my self-updating list of contacts.

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  31. Fake ID by currently_awake · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So what happens if you send them a (poor) scan of fake ID? You're not impersonating a real person, and you're not interacting with the government, so I don't see any actual legal consequences of this. Do any lawyers out there have any idea on this?

    1. Re:Fake ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've a real name account which sits unused but is there for family, and a pseudonym account which gets the occasional posts.

      I did this a while back when the 'fake' one I've been using for longer was locked. Photoshopped my drivers license, blurred out the address, and sent it in as a large but low quality jpeg. Account was unlocked in about two days.

    2. Re:Fake ID by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Make up a foreign ID. They can't know how it all should look like, let alone that they can verify the validity.

  32. Stop using Facebook by koan · · Score: 1

    Seriously.

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  33. You aren't willing to post as yourself?... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: You're a weasel as you aren't willing to stand behind your words - Plain & simple.

    * Yes, that goes for all you "registered 'lusers'" on /. too with your nickname/handles/pseudonyms (& I've said it before, even though I have "had it out" TONS of times with her/him, as an e.g. - At least BarbaraHudson/TomHudson posts with HIS/HER REAL NAME, afaik @ least & I have some solid evidence he/she does & THAT? I will give him/her, unlike many of you: He/She has SOME integrity in that regard... the rest of you? Don't!)

    (Especially who TRY to play "superior" for being easily tracked sheep no less, & are deceitful weasels AND trying to be someone you're NOT... & on 'superiority' being an easily tracked registered sheep? Hey - Fact is, You're ANYTHING BUT that... & you know it, since your online hiding behind some b.s. name that's not your real one merely evidences it).

    Truer words were NEVER spoken on /. ...

    APK

    P.S.=> Don't LIKE that? Too bad - truth can be like that, now can't it?? Absolutely - & I'd STRONGLY WAGER those of you that give me guff over it will eventually realize that based on your effete "ReAcTiOnS" (which will give you away in them)... apk

    1. Re:You aren't willing to post as yourself?... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christ.

      Sounds like this guy might have slipped and fallen into a TimeCube.

    2. Re:You aren't willing to post as yourself?... apk by mrbester · · Score: 1

      When I joined /. all those eons ago (after lurking for years) it asked me for a username for login. As my university username was just an encoded course and student number (that, incidentally, was a bitch to remember) I saw no reason to put my real name in that box when a short name I didn't mind being referred to as existed. Same thing with IRC, although I used a different one (and the nature of IRC demands a nick - it's when called that - of 9 chars or less, which my real name wouldn't fit into). In any case, these names are something I choose to be referred by, because I can call myself anything I want.

      For "official" purposes, like paying tax, those that need it have my "official" name. Everybody else gets to call me what I want because they aren't the arbiters of my identity.

      You posted as AC, hypocrite. I have always posted under a specific name, meaning there is a verifiable trail.

      APK /s

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    3. Re:You aren't willing to post as yourself?... apk by KGIII · · Score: 1

      How about those of us who have a username that can be easily tied to our identity? Mine, for one example, has been the same since the 80s during my later college years. I have used this name since then (we could only enter five characters as a username) and use it everywhere I post. I would also mention that you are posting anonymously and using the name APK which, I assume, is not your real name. That makes me wonder about the validity of your concern.

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    4. Re:You aren't willing to post as yourself?... apk by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      I would also mention that you are posting anonymously and using the name APK which, I assume, is not your real name.

      APK is an acronym of his real name, Alexander Peter Kowalski. He doesn't fear his real name being attached to his posts and has a tendency to write angry comments if you miss pieces of his name when spelling it out, particularly when you credit his 'award winning' text file generator

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    5. Re:You aren't willing to post as yourself?... apk by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I did not know this. He is a bit eccentric and has a, seeming, need to express his delight with the hosts file. To be honest, using the hosts file in this manner is nothing new and is rather effective and efficient. I am not sure how much benefit will be gained, for instance, with the 0.0.0.0 vs. 127.0.0.1 but it likely saves some minuscule amount of CPU time and some file size time. So no, I do not mind him. I had actually not noticed his posts for quite some time and was curious where he had gone off to but he popped back up. I admit that I was relieved to find out that he was not dead or anything like that.

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  34. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    I can stand up in any public square the US and give my opinion of whatever topic I want to. I don't have to provide my name to do so.I don't have to show my papers. I don't have to get permission from overnight billioinaires. I can simply tell people what I am thinking, and call myself Silence Dogood.

    Then you should do that. Facebook, a business, is under no obligation to help you with that effort.

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  35. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

    Who the fuck cares about Facebook?

    All of the people who use it. And that's a lot of people. Let them do whatever they want? That affects a lot of people. Fail to sound the alarm? Then how do you differentiate you vs. the enemy?

    Knowing, but not warning, that makes you feel superior? What about knowing and warning?

    I say tell everyone you know, and let them decide. I would prefer to let them wrestle in Jell-O, but time is short and I have other priorities.

    But if you have links to Jell-O wrestling where this is a solved problem, do share.

  36. Trans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've stayed away from Facebook for ages but ever increasingly the queer community seems to be using it. My ID documents do not match my new name yet and using my old name causes a lot of distress for me. If I do get Facebook I don't want to put my last name (because Facebook is evil) on there just have a first name, which I'm sure will cause Facebook to yell at me.

    That said, why the fuck does Facebook need a real name? Never mind we all know that.

    Can I signup to Facebook over TOR inside a VM?

  37. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by sumdumass · · Score: 2

    Or you could come in the middle of the night covering your face and put up signs and posters saying the same and come morning it will be there.

    Let's stop pretending that all public places have no means or anonymity. Someone recently went around placing notes about some KKK group and candy on people's porches in my area. The candy I suppose was to entice children to read the notes if they saw them before their parents I guess.

    Of course my porch was skipped. I have a couple very large dogs and signs saying "trespassers will be violated" and "hidden fence, dogs run loose on property".

  38. Nads N. Nads by dcollins · · Score: 5, Informative

    The writer, Nadia Drake (as listed in the byline at Wired.com), doesn't explicate until almost the end of the article: it's not that FB is misinterpreting her actual name as overly exotic, nor is she using a stage or business name, but her account is registered as "Nads N. Nads". She justifies this by saying that her friends commonly call her "Nads" for short and that she also wants to avoid a stalker. That might be justified, but the fact that she buries it near the end of the article, after a whole bunch of support for actual minority and Native American names, makes it feel just a bit self-serving. I would argue that proper journalistic practice would be to front-load this information in the first or second paragraph.

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    1. Re:Nads N. Nads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want to avoid a stalker too, name of suckerberg or some such thing.

    2. Re:Nads N. Nads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So she got busted for exactly what Facebook is claiming. She is using a pseudonym. Which is against Facebook's TOS. Case closed, nothing to see here.

  39. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by westlake · · Score: 1

    Who the fuck cares about Facebook?

    Like this is going to get you modded down on Slashdot.

    The better question to ask is "Who on Faceback gives a damn about Slashdot --- or even knows that it exists?"

    The problem isn't unique to the geek forums: almost no one on the net makes the effort to open channels of communication with those outside their own group.

  40. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by sumdumass · · Score: 1

    The free speech zones are not about your message being liked or not, it's about your message interrupting others in their message and your message becoming violent and disruptive.

    If you don't like it citizen, you can run for office and change it.

  41. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    The problem isn't unique to the geek forums: almost no one on the net makes the effort to open channels of communication with those outside their own group.

    It's true if you look at CNC forums and 3D printer forums. The same things keep getting re-invented all the time on both sides.

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  43. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Clearly you haven't been modded into oblivion, but honestly, this is a dumb question. That's like asking, "Who the fuck cares about Google?"

    Literally over a billion people care. And the advertisers care. And the shareholders care. There're a lot of people that care about Facebook.

    Whether you like it or not, and whether you use it or not, to many people, Facebook is becoming all they know of the internet. For all intents and purposes, it IS the internet for a segment of the population. There are mobile providers that will sell you a plan that gives you virtually no data for free, but you DO get Facebook access for free. Facebook's Messenger chat service has something like 700 million users and is the single most popular chat application in the USA. We hear stories about the NYT doing a deal for instant loading articles and a share of ad revenue because Facebook is also becoming the place where most people read their news.

    So yeah, LOTS of people care. YOU should care, even if you don't use it, because it's becoming the sort of behemoth that warps space around it. I hardly use Google's services at all anymore, but I definitely care about what Google is doing in the world. Most people with PCs and Android phones care about Apple and the influence it brings to hardware and mobile—even if they purport to hate every single change Apple brings to hardware or mobile. People that don't live in the USA definitely care what the USA is up to. There are plenty of reasons to care about Facebook and even weird things like this because they really do serve to show us the state of the internet today and give us hints to the future, or at the very least, what we DON'T want the future to look like.

    People have been threatening to abandon Facebook for various minor transgressions every year that it's been around, and it keeps getting bigger. It's not going anywhere for a while.

  44. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by TheRecklessWanderer · · Score: 1

    Facebook users are the commodity. never forget that. They sell your data to marketing companies and make a pretty penny doing it. They just want to make sure their data is as accurate as possible.

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  45. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Or you could come in the middle of the night covering your face and put up signs and posters saying the same and come morning it will be there.

    As I said, you can have anonymity in the public square, but you have to make sacrifices. Wearing a hood or ski mask tends to raise suspicion in the people around you, and for good reason. There's a trade-off. Sometimes, the trade-off is worth it, but there is always a cost. And despite the bitcoin wishes, the Internet is not a magical place where laws and social norms do not apply.

    Being anonymous is different from being anonymous and participating fully in society. If you have to cover your face, it limits your options quite a bit.

    Of course my porch was skipped. I have a couple very large dogs and signs saying "trespassers will be violated" and "hidden fence, dogs run loose on property".

    You make my point. You don't send out your dogs anonymously. You clearly state, on signs on a property with an address, that dogs are protecting your house. You're house. This way people know which house you don't go trespassing around. It gives you peace of mind and it informs the people around you.

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  46. Seen It Happen by maz2331 · · Score: 2

    I know someone who's real first name is "Fantasy" and FB wouldn't let her register an account. She had to change it to "Fantasie" instead to get past it.

    1. Re:Seen It Happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My wife's name is Queen. That is not such an unusual name in her african home country. It happened to her and she had to create a new account with a name that sounds similar but is not actually her real name.

    2. Re:Seen It Happen by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Some friends of mine I know better by their nickname, or even only by their nickname. Once a friend of mine called me in her capacity as staff of an organisation I volunteered for, introducing her with her formal name. Took me a moment to realise who I had on the phone.

      Both my parents use different first names in daily life than the names listed in their passport. Everyone knows them by that name, using their official name would cause serious confusion. My mum has four given names, a maiden name and my father's name all listed in her passport. If Facebook insists on real and complete names, that'd be a practical problem. It's almost 50 characters in all.

      My wife has formally only a Chinese name, but in daily life uses an English name. Common practice for Hong Kong Chinese - some opt to have their English name (often adopted during primary school, not given at birth, though the latter happens more and more nowadays) registered on their ID card, others don't. She also doesn't have her English name registered. So while most call her by that name, only some use her Chinese name, it's still a nickname.

  47. Re: At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bingo. Ben franklin would be proud of you.

  48. This is a serious issue for many Native Americans. by WolphFang · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a serious issue for many Native Americans and has been repeatedly "Facebooked" about over and over with little to no effect. Because many Native Americans do not have European names they get their accounts locked out. This is easily exploited by those who actively engage in harming Native Americans and others they do not like because of race.

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  49. This is not difficult ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... because Facebook's members waive damned near every right that is on any books anywhere.

    The only right we have is to leave.

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    1. Re:This is not difficult ... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      You may not even have that right. I do not know - I do not have a Facebook account. When you opt to leave do you get to delete your data - all of it? Do you know if they delete it on their end?

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    2. Re:This is not difficult ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      There is no deletion.

      In the world of Facebook, "delete." means, "not easily visible by the casual observer."

      You and I are the casual observers.

      We can deactivate our entire account.

      Not the verb, "deactivate."

      That means the entire account becomes invisible to the casual observer.

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      Facebook is clear, and I have verified, that things people have shared out are not necessarily removed from observation by others due to deletion or deactivation.

      I have seventeen (17) Facebook accounts.

      One is useful for communicating with family and friends.

      The others are simply part of my toolkit.

      Should you ever want to thump, pull, push, mash and stretch Facebook (like come at an account with the Tor browser and get killed), create some freemails and jump in.

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    3. Re:This is not difficult ... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I have had a few things I wanted to read that were on Facebook and required logging in to read them. I never read them. It is not as if I have something against socialization or anything, or even against Facebook, it is that I simply lack interest in joining such sites and if I do decide to delete my account (after getting the information I wanted) I would like my account to be deleted. I suspected that deleting an account, leaving as you succinctly put it, was not effective and thank you for the confirmation.

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  50. If only there were another way! by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 1

    Too bad people are forced to use Facebook. If they were free to leave then this wouldn't be an issue.

    Oh wait.

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  51. Gazinya looks plausible by tepples · · Score: 1

    "Gazinya" looks plausible, as if it were some ethnic variant of Garcinia , the genus that includes mangosteen and brindleberry trees.

  52. "Real names" has *always* been their policy. by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

    For the life of me, I don't see why this is suddenly a controversy. So far as I can recall, Facebook has had the "real names" policy the entire time they've been around; all the way back to when they were "The Facebook" and were exclusive to college students. And they've never hidden the policy. In fact, they used to advertise it as a feature to distinguish themselves from the cesspool of fake accounts and trolling that MySpace had degenerated into. The people whining about it now remind me of those people who move into houses next to airports and then complain that the airplanes make noise.

    And as far as the drag queens' complaints, Facebook does in fact 0provide mechanisms, separate from individual pages, for promoting your stage name, band, business, or whatever else you consider your brand. So that is also a stupid non-issue.

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    1. Re:"Real names" has *always* been their policy. by WolphFang · · Score: 1

      And as far as the drag queens' complaints, Facebook does in fact 0provide mechanisms, separate from individual pages, for promoting your stage name, band, business, or whatever else you consider your brand. So that is also a stupid non-issue.

      You comments do not address the issue where people's real names are flagged as fake.

      It's bad enough that official organizations like the census bureau *change* reported demographics and names while doing their surveys, and other official organizations do other similar things without having particular ethnic groups getting singled out because their names are not Western European.

      Please get better informed: Here are three of links to get started off with ...

      http://www.theguardian.com/tec...
      http://lastrealindians.com/fac...
      https://www.change.org/p/faceb...

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  53. Really stupid move, ace by gladius17 · · Score: 1

    You sent Facebook your driver's license? What a fucking moron. You do realize that Facebook is owned by the government, and they are using this information to literally plot your death, right? Cue the dumb fuck "OMG @ ur tinfoil hat!" responses from the ignorati of Slashdot in 3...2...

    1. Re:Really stupid move, ace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG @ ur tinfoil hat!

      Facebook is clearly owned by the lizard men operating through their NWO front, backed up by the Illuminati and funded by the Gnomes of Zurich.

    2. Re:Really stupid move, ace by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      They did the job well. You couldn't even get down to 1 and you were terminated already.

  54. What happens if you link your business to this? by guises · · Score: 1

    Like everyone else here, I don't want to give Facebook my real information. So when I set up a Facebook page for my business and it demanded a personal account to link to that business, I just made something up. I don't care if they ban / lock my personal account. Or all of my personal Facebook accounts, those mean squat to me, but what happens to my business page if that happens? Does anyone know for sure what happens in that case?

  55. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    People have been threatening to abandon Facebook for various minor transgressions every year that it's been around, and it keeps getting bigger. It's not going anywhere for a while.

    There are other measures that are important, though. Like, more people have probably quit using Facebook this year than started using it in it's first five years of existence.

    It can continue to grow bigger and more stupid. People catch on, and when they get a clue they back away. Facebook is probably as ubiquitous now as the National Enquirer magazine. But we all see that magazine at the checkstands when we're buying groceries. Do we pick it up and read it, much less buy it? Part of our job is to make sure Facebook heads to the same place as the National Enquirer.

  56. Simple Solution by Gavagai80 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mark pseudonym accounts as such. Put the name in a different color of whatever you need to do. That way people who want to use it anonymously don't inconvenience those who want to know who people are.

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    1. Re:Simple Solution by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      And give all users a checkbox in preferences to block wall posts from pseudonyms. Maybe even have it checked by default as FB is often wont to do.

  57. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    Of course my porch was skipped. I have a couple very large dogs and signs saying "trespassers will be violated" and "hidden fence, dogs run loose on property".

    It's not social networks you have a problem with, it's being social.

  58. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    And about hiding the protestors away so they aren't seen by people deemed important by the state, and so there are no photo opportunities for the press containing both the protestors, and those they are protesting to or about.

    Quite amusing when you consider how Americans like to lecture the world about free speech.

  59. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    You know that the most efficient way of telling everyone you know is on Facebook, right? You could do it in 5 minutes, then not have to worry about it again.

  60. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    Right. It's not going anywhere for a while. And there's nothing that the open source community can do to change that. Because the FOSS community can only do what they always do: copy, whilst leaving out important bits and making the rest more complicated.

    In this case, the vary fact of anonymity destroys the very purpose of a FB type social network. It's all about mirroring real life social networks on the computer, thus making communication with people you know easier. No one wants a FB with anonymous people. The anonymous communication function is filled by forums like this one.

  61. Free Speech by Frankie70 · · Score: 1

    How does this have anything to do with 'Free Speech' (considering the conventional usage of that term)?

  62. My wow character is on facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and noone thinks his name is fake. Of course his last name is Jenkins and not "the crazy cat man".

  63. ... and people from other culture not welcome ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I repeat, do not treat a private service as a public square. That's a horrible idea

    If someone opens a FB account under "Ching Chong Chang" is it a pseudonym?

    There are Chinese whose last name happen to "Ching", or "Chang", or "Chong" and if FB is going to play that 'let us see your ID first' game they will end up harrasing A LOT OF CHINESE (plus Koreans / Vietnamese)

  64. The solution is simple: do not use Facebook by Damouze · · Score: 1

    The solution is simple: do not use Facebook.

    Facebook is evil.

    Two very important reasons never to use Facebook:

    * Facebook blatantly states in their EULA that they will sell your private information to third parties. In fact, anything you upload becomes their (intellectual) property.
    * Facebook does not let you use pseudonyms. Your privacy is your own and it should be up to you to decide whether or not you use your real name and not to some billion dollar company whose primary goal in your participation is to sell your private information to third parties.

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    1. Re:The solution is simple: do not use Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've also conducted psychological experiments on their users without getting "voluntary, well-informed, understanding consent of the human subject in a full legal capacity" before hand, which is technically a violation of the human experimentation ethics principals of the Nuremberg code, if not an actual crime against humanity in a legal sense.

      https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20140702202949-319347-experiment-on-facebook-users-prompts-outrage

  65. Anonymous Coward by Skapare · · Score: 1

    Anonymous Coward got locked out of Facebook ... twice!

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  66. i don't use facebook ... by Skapare · · Score: 1

    ... because the name facebook doesn't sound real to me.

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  67. It's dangerous to go alone by MPAB · · Score: 1

    Most news sites use Facebook for posting comments. The country I live in is into a lot of political turmoil right now and not only is my name unique but muy workplace lists me very fondly, so anyone wishing to find me and break my face could do it.
    We all know about the teams whose job is to swing political opinion by means of fake accounts with real sounding names. It would seem like nothing is being done against those. On the other hand, many of my friends have fiddled with their screen names and pictures to the point of becoming irecognizable by their contacts out of fear of being harrassed or tagged in a defamatory post.

  68. new world order police system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thats all. punish them by ignorance.

    use freedns.afraid.org and small computer to set up you own homepage and crypted chat system.

    zuckerberg works for the banksters. less so google, but they also like to play thought police.

    fuck that and give us our germanic freedom back !

  69. Yes: I post AC, learn to read... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: I post using my real initials. I don't hide it. Most here know who I am too.

    If you'll note the idiot doing the "timecube" reply to me as well? It's part of the reason I don't keep a "registered 'luser'" account here, since as I stated, it makes you an easily tracked for trolling sheep (think about it)...

    APK

    P.S.=> ... & I don't need any more trolls stalking/harassing me than "Mr. Timecube" reply to me already (I've had them 'threaten' me saying "if you get an account, I'll modbomb you to hell" out of spite after I handed them their behinds on some technical issue - like many "I KNOW IT ALL" nerds do, once they find out they don't... apk

    1. Re:Yes: I post AC, learn to read... apk by mrbester · · Score: 1

      Simply putting three characters in every post means nothing, as any AC could do the same pretending to be you. Like I care, or it matters.

      --
      "Wait. Something's happening. It's opening up! My God, it's full of apricots!"
  70. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fazebook's face recognition will help with this one, no worries

  71. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I keep warning everyone I care for and teach my children

  72. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  73. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by wvmarle · · Score: 1

    You can do just fine on Facebook. You can easily register an account as "Silence Dogood". You can post your rant on your page, and share the post on various groups (many of which are open access). It may even work better (be safer for you personally) than a random public square, as there's less chance for being arrested for stirring up trouble, in case you're proclaiming hate against certain people or so, and people don't get to see your face with it.

    Sure the account may get blocked later, but what'd you care? The message is out already, and that's what it's about. Messages older than a few days are effectively expired on Facebook - not many people browse that far back in their news feed. Too many other messages appearing.

  74. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 0
    I became annoyed with some of google's changes a few months ago and moved searching to yahoo (for no other reason than it's default in firefox (I stopped using chrome at the same time)). It works well enough.

    As long as there are alternatives that are not too odious, I won't care about any company

  75. The flip side of this policy by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    What if someone uses a real name that is not their own? Someone made a new account with a friend's maiden name using a scantily clad photo with her face photoshopped on and started sending friend requests to all her friends (her friend list was public at that time). It took weeks for FB to react to her and all of her friends flagging the account as fake.

  76. Re:Third or Fourth Paragraph by sudon't · · Score: 1

    The writer, Nadia Drake (as listed in the byline at Wired.com), doesn't explicate until almost the end of the article: it's not that FB is misinterpreting her actual name as overly exotic, nor is she using a stage or business name, but her account is registered as "Nads N. Nads".

    She comes to it in the third or fourth paragraph. It's not exactly buried, or at the end, and comes before any mention of Native American names. Then, it seems you were modded up by people who didn't RTFA at all.

    I don't see why her reasons for pseudonymity are any less legit than anyone else's. Everyone on FB ought to be using a pseudo, simply because of the whole spy game FB is running. Then, there are all the other reasons.

    --
    -- sudon't

    Air-ride Equipped

  77. Re:Third or Fourth Paragraph by dcollins · · Score: 1

    "She comes to it in the third or fourth paragraph."

    Totally false. Search for "Nads Nads". This appears for the first time in the 32nd paragraph ("The last name on my account was not Drake. I started out as Nads Nads.").

    --
    We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
  78. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by KGIII · · Score: 1

    You can thank the Democrats (DNC - 1988) for that. I am not a Republican, I am further left than most elected Democrats, actually. The FSZs are a horrific idea.

    --
    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  79. FUNNY you should mention that... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: I've had THAT go down many times until Jeremiah Cornelius got BUSTED doing it (& the guy works for VMWare for Pete's sake, & MS before it - talk about STOO-PID!) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    * That's a SINGLE INSTANCE only - I have MANY more... would you like me to post more of them? Ask!

    APK

    P.S.=> Besides: I have a rather "unique style"/imprimatur in my posts that's nigh "inimitable" & most everyone here knows it, so they can TELL when I'd be the real poster, vs. a 'pale imitiation' like ole' JC got caught doing above, red-handed here on /. ... astounded me actually!

    (... he, & others too with him, probably 'sockpuppet' alterego fake accounts for farming karma so they can upmod themselves & downmod opponents they can't get the better of)

    Yes - he USUALLY submitted it by ac posts, signing off as me (anyone that's been here for years remembers those - they were unending in nearly EVERY article... I couldn't BELIEVE jc did that actually, I never had a thing against him & even got along with him for the most part, often respecting his views which aren't far off of my own in fact)... apk

  80. Problem exactly nailed in summary! by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

    because forums like Facebook serve as the modern-day equivalent of the public square for a lot of communities.

    We allow private corporations to become "the public"

    --
    bickerdyke
  81. Oh, it's my "real name" (initials)... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: I'm surprised you don't know that after your statements to myself here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (which states you have not seen me in a long time which means you KNEW I existed here, first of all) but perhaps MORE IMPORTANTLY, this from you:

    "I do not debate the use of the hosts file. In fact I have contributed to the MVPs Hosts File in the past." - by KGIII (973947) on Friday May 29, 2015 @05:07PM (#49801895)

    You're excused/exempt from my statements due to THAT (good taste on YOUR PART by the way/great minds think alike, lol), & due to the below (we do the EXACT same).

    TRIVIA & ODD: I saved you quoted in that, yet it DOES NOT SHOW in your post history here -> http://slashdot.org/users2.pl?...

    Though on that same page in your post history, you say you post AC & thus are aware of how to "game the system" here for karma bs (& it is bs).

    APK

    P.S.=> I've used the same 'id' method as you have since 1995 online everywhere I post as you have... apk

    1. Re:Oh, it's my "real name" (initials)... apk by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Well, now I know what your name is and that you use your initials to mark your posts. I suppose somebody could mimic your writing style and pretend to be you but someone could just as easily hack your account and pretend to be you if you had a registered account.

      Anyhow, you did not really address my question which is what about those of us who can be tied to their real name (at least I assume I can) when they have used both for a very long time? It is, by virtue of the constant use, pretty much the same as my real name. I have met people in real life who knew my KGIII moniker and they have often jokingly referred to me by my moniker. (It is amusing to hear the varied pronunciations.)

      Also, I hate posting AC. The only time I post AC is when I am limited by the number of posts. Slashdot, bless their souls, is a strange company. They get mad if you post more than 50 posts in a day. I am available at varied hours so my 24 hour period overlaps at times so I have fun afoul of this rule a number of times. Usually I will just not post but, alas, I am sometimes compelled to reply in a timely manner so I will post as an AC if I must.

      As for my comment history, I have no idea what is in it. I surely have a large number of comments over the years. Fortunately I just read the site and comments for a long time before opting to join and comment on a Microsoft article (I think that is when I first posted). I am not sure why it would end up missing but it does not surprise me that something has gone bonkers considering the changes being made here.

      Finally, they gave me mod points again. I do not tend to use them and for a while they had stopped giving them to me (even though my posts and whatnot get the same general points, my karma is excellent, and I metamod frequently). I wonder if they have made some underlying change to the code. That shouldn't but may be the reason something has gone missing. I have no control over such.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  82. Which is, of course, more than you've done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK is an acronym of his real name, Alexander Peter Kowalski." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Sunday June 21, 2015 @03:41PM (#49957601)

    1st: You proved a point to KGIII (others know me)

    &

    2nd: You prove my initial premise here in your posting under some 'fake' name...

    (I will never understand that, UNLESS YOU'RE UP TO NO GOOD & ARE HIDING... which you seem to allude to next in fact!)

    ---

    "He doesn't fear his real name being attached to his posts" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Sunday June 21, 2015 @03:41PM (#49957601)

    Should I be? Again, you seem to be... why??

    Are you up to no good??? I'd say you are. That'd be the ONLY REASON for being frightened for speaking your mind imo (if you are up to NO good).

    Fact is - You've got a HUGE listing in my bookmarks for times you've pestered me (& I plastered you all over the pavement for it, a prime example or two's below in fact, lol)...

    ---

    "and has a tendency to write angry comments" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Sunday June 21, 2015 @03:41PM (#49957601)

    No, Ash: I do, however, have a tendency to GLOAT though, rightfully, especially after YOU SCREW UP LARGE on hosts vs. myself as you have numerous times...

    Case in point/e.g. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    LMAO - but Ash-Fox was "only pretending", lol which is a stupid way to TRY 'cover up' the fact you F'd UP large there & I ate you alive for it... lol!

    ---

    "particularly when you credit his 'award winning' text file generator" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Sunday June 21, 2015 @03:41PM (#49957601)

    See subject?

    I've cut you to shreds on that very thing before (you have nothing like it to your name/credit I can see) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    & you must still be "angry" over it... truth's like that, Mr. "ne'er-do-well", now isn't it? Yes.

    I LOVED WHEN I MADE YOU "EAT YOUR WORDS" ON MY CODE BEING IN COMMERCIALLY SUCCESSFUL APPS HERE:

    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    & YOUR 'B.S.' REPLY "I can't say which ones I've done due to an NDA"?

    LMAO - please:

    WHO ARE YOU *TRYING* TO FOOL WITH THAT BS?

    (Clue - it goes over as well as a lead balloon & fools NOBODY... lol!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Thanks for helping me prove my points to KGIII though, that I give you props for, as you actually FOR ONCE, helped me out + for letting me show what a bs artist you are, especially your "NDA" bs when the truth is, you haven't done a damned thing anyone's ever noted as good OR sold off that does well in software, independently, as I have, lol... apk

  83. Inefficient vs. what? Time to educate a PhD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: The question is explicit, do your worst/state your best & I will rip it apart with facts... go for it.

    * I love TAKING APART/DISMANTLING PhD's...

    APK

    P.S.=> It's just "what I do/how I roll" & I've done it to the likes of Dr. Mark Russinovich of MS before - you shouldn't present any challenge on this account @ all, Mr. Math... Go on now, speak - this is NOT your area, I will fry you in it with facts as well as logic (as this IS my area)... lol, & hey - so you know?

    Ash-Fox has *TRIED* it only to be shot to pieces (tried using DNS but it has MORE moving parts for breakdown (which it does a LOT), & complexity, exploits galore, & electrical power inefficiency usage due to more moving parts even if used as a local service, WORSE if separate machine etc.)... apk

    1. Re:Inefficient vs. what? Time to educate a PhD by KGIII · · Score: 1

      *sighs*

      Do try to re-read my post. I state that it is effective and efficient. It is quite clear. It is not like I have gone back and edited it. Perhaps you mis-read it?

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  84. Additionally: You use a HOSTS file yourself... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: OR did you NOT write this here as ac -> "I do not debate the use of the hosts file. In fact I have contributed to the MVPs Hosts File in the past." - by KGIII (973947) on Friday May 29, 2015 @05:07PM (#49801895) FROM-> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    * NOW, should you ATTEMPT to deny that's you that said you use hosts?

    Well, again:

    I have a quote of YOU ADMITTING you "game" the moderations systems here via restricting posts via your "registered 'luser'" account as well -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    NO DENYING YOU WROTE THAT for sure... & that you DO indeed, post as ac... though I suspect your reasons there are NOT 100% truth, I've seen worse lies...

    Especially here on /. from some "real winners" like Ash-Fox & his "I was only pretending" + "NDA" bullshit I pointed out here from his sorry ass -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... )

    APK

    P.S.=> My man, let me tell you 1 thing (it's why FOOLS like Ash-Fox continually "try me" only to fall FLAT ON THEIR FACES everytime, especially on hosts): There is NO WAY you can win here, no way, since you TRAP YOURSELF... that's truth & logic here along with solid evidence (your own words), vs. illogic if you attempt it on your part... apk

  85. For an alleged PhD in Math... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Why're you being deliberately obtuse?

    They attempted to "mimic me" to be caught (a former MS employee & VMWare current afaik employee did, pestering ALL OF /. DOING IT no less, trying to "character assasinate me")

    E.G. - See whose name is on this when he was caught doing a BOGUS 'masquerade' of myself, albeit he forgot to submit as ac & instead, STUPIDLY, he submitted as himself (Jeremiah Cornelius) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... )

    Since I'd consider you fairly intelligent @ the very least due to an alleged PhD in mathematics on YOUR part (& I'll take you @ your word on that, for now, assuming honesty on your end)?

    * WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU WANT TO BE A TRACKABLE FOR TROLLING SHEEP VIA YOUR REGISTERED 'luser' ACCOUNT FOR?

    Please - don't insult your OWN intelligence telling me "it's for 'karma points'" since that's for kids for Pete's sake, come on, if you have something good to say to someone, say it... or bad for that matter!

    (Plus, on childish "/. karma"? Hey, that's EASILY GAINED via multiple sockpuppetry which goes on here like mad to mod ones self up via a sockpuppet & opponents you can't beat DOWN with them too by the same token)

    Don't think it goes on? You're not very smart for a PhD then, not in how the online world REALLY works...

    Want proof?

    APK

    P.S.=> As far as being "limited by post counts" as ac? If you KNEW a bit more on how TCP/IP works, then, like myself?? You'd be "LIMITLESS" as I am per the film of the SAME name here -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    E.G.you don't see me "run dry" of the ability to post as much as I wish here & that drives "registered 'lusers'" trolls here nuts when they try downmod my posts to oblivion! I just POST AGAIN, as much as I like, they run dry of modpoints for downmodding & GUESS WHO WINS, as always, in the long haul? Yours truly!

    I ROLL OVER the dolts here beating them @ their OWN game, & I am less trackable by a HUGE longshot than they are... apk

    1. Re:For an alleged PhD in Math... apk by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I am afraid your post does not make a great deal of sense no matter how I parse it. It does not seem to actually respond to anything I said though I suppose I may have lacked clarity with my response.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  86. Re:Additionally: You use a HOSTS file yourself... by KGIII · · Score: 1

    How did you go from having contributed to currently using - use is present tense? I do not, unfortunately, currently make use of the hosts file on any systems that are used regularly. I probably should, it would be less resource intensive than my use of adblock. Mostly I have become weary and do not take the time to maintain it properly which is unfortunate as it is a great way to block unwanted connections or to push certain URLs to a specific IP address.

    --
    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  87. Being deliberately obtuse... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: "Doth not a good argument make" - simple enough for you?

    APK

    P.S.=> You know, IF you're going to *play troll* w/ me? Try their usual "TL:DR" when confounded & caught w/ their pants down as you have been via your OWN words & what-not... ok?? apk

    1. Re:Being deliberately obtuse... apk by KGIII · · Score: 1

      No, I read it. It just does not make any sense - much like my other response where I figured out that you must have mis-read my post. (I did not, for example, call the hosts file inefficient - I said it *was* efficient.) I suspect that, perhaps due to your zest, you are used to folks attacking your posts and your ideas. I, however, have not done such. I do not post online to argue, such is futile, I post to learn.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  88. Nope, fair enough, apologies... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll give you that! See? I can be FAIR & honest about it!

    * However, the TRUE dimwit that's stalked & harassed me MANY TIMES here (Ash-Fox) only to have fallen FLAT ON HIS FACE vs. myself as I literally have shown in replies to him which you are free to examine (which admittedly has me worked up since it never ends from that little prick) will NOT admit what YOU have stated

    APK

    P.S.=>... has me "on guard", admittedly, even vs. yourself (which I apologize for + should've known better coming from you on)... apk

    1. Re:Nope, fair enough, apologies... apk by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      However, the TRUE dimwit that's stalked & harassed me MANY TIMES here (Ash-Fox)

      I don't stalk you APK and I don't harass you any more than you harass me and others. You did however tell me once to Google you and were quite unhappy with what I turned up, which made me wiser to some of your claims. You've made a reputation for yourself and you've done it with your real name. The repercussions you've had surprisingly has had little harassment. When I got doxed for implementing a piece of software to detect copyright theft software in a game, I had death threats in the form of comics and letters sent to my home address. Then again, I don't think people get that emotional about hosts files, present company excluded of course.

      I am genuinely surprised that after all this time, trolling groups haven't discovered you and started some obsessive Wiki about everything you do similar to what they have done to Chris Chan. I am somewhat concerned you do draw the attention of these people, while you do say some ridiculous things and have an ego, your interests are not typically nefarious (outside of maybe 'winning arguments').

      myself as I literally have shown in replies to him which you are free to examine (which admittedly has me worked up since it never ends from that little prick) will NOT admit what YOU have stated

      I've already told you, you have reading comprehension issues in our previous threads. You constantly think you have won an argument when you post until the other person stops responding, you haven't won, that's just argumentum ad nauseum. I'll admit when I believe I'm wrong (most of the time), the fact you haven't got me to admit it, means I genuinely don't believe I am wrong in this matter.

      --
      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
  89. Then @ least you ADMIT adblock's wasteful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: GOOD! You help prove my points in your very words now... good enough for me.

    (Thank you)

    * You noted a lack of originality on my part as far as hosts? Fine... I'm about IMPROVING our lot, via a BETTER improved way to do so, & I provide the means.

    I can say that I have originality in this creation being portable, 64-bit, & SOLID + verified as clean by MANY sources (including the BEST antispyware company hosting & recommending it for me via one of their BEST employees doing so) -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Especially vs. others like it, since it does more, better, & from 1 single moving part with NOT NEARLY AS MANY DEPENDENCIES on others' engines (SQL) & pure atomic string functions...

    Beat that with a stick. Like hosts itself vs. inefficient easily detected & blocked addons? It's better.

    I'm doing it PURELY out of the goodness of my heart, such as it is, & why? The internet is GREAT, the 8th wonder of the world as the saying goes & as far as I am concerned...

    See, one of my "technical intellectual heroes" (Mr. Cliff Stoll) even recommended I go out & MAKE IT BETTER as he himself did as an early inspiration to myself, here on /. no less, here -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    So, that all "said & aside"? That's my effort - he's aware of it, as you are... & it works. Better + more efficiently than others like it in fact.

    APK

    P.S.=> Apparently, around /. (home of the online internet TROLL, lol) - It takes a PhD in mathematics in yourself to understand what I've been telling others here for ages apparently, even though I provide ENDLESS proofs (screenshots & all from VALID analysis that, put it this way as Oppenheimer said of genius "Genius sees the answer before the question" iirc)... apk

    1. Re:Then @ least you ADMIT adblock's wasteful by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Using adblock is absolutely far more wasteful in terms of compute cycles and RAM. I have found it easier than maintaining my own hosts file and I have never found a hosts file, from someone else, that suited my needs properly. I do not even trust the motives of the MVPs, some of them I know personally from my time involved with the MVP program, but I digress... I should add that I do not distrust them, more that I trust my own judgment for what I want to block and for what I want to see. Doing this with a handy interface right in the browser has saved me time and some of my own brain's "compute cycles." I do wish I took the time to maintain a hosts file, it would be better in the long run.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  90. You didn't like ac post limits... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You had issues with what I wrote: Ok - The most salient useful part, for you, per my subject above & your words, from my post then (slightly edited only):

    As far as being "limited by post counts" as ac?

    If you KNEW a bit more on how TCP/IP works, then, like myself?? You'd be "LIMITLESS" as I am per the film of the SAME name here -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    E.G.:

    you don't see me "run dry" of the ability to post as much as I wish here & that drives "registered 'lusers'" trolls here nuts when they try downmod my posts to oblivion! I just POST AGAIN, as much as I like, they run dry of modpoints for downmodding & GUESS WHO WINS, as always, in the long haul? Yours truly!

    I ROLL OVER the dolts here beating them @ their OWN game, & I am less trackable by a HUGE longshot than they are... apk

    APK

    P.S.=> That's from that post's PS, & what *might* intrigue you the most, as to HOW it's done especially, circumventing those "ac limits" you complained of (& of which I am *NOT* subject to)...

    Should you want the answer, provided you're NOT aware of it, & apparently you're not?

    I will give it to you (it's fast too, not like proxy usage, & astonishingly SIMPLE as well)...

    Write me @ apk4776239@hotmail.com should you wish to know (for my 'mistake' in misreading you here in our exchange? It's the LEAST I can do, to allow YOU to overcome an objection you have to ac posting)... apk

  91. Tell us about your "NDA" bullshit again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Commercial code to my name's proven http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    * YOU CAN'T DO THE SAME "Ash-Fox"... lol!

    ( I have successfully commercially sold code to my name with proof of it right in that link, & you don't... loved your "NDA" bullshit too - "real convincing" of you (not)).

    APK

    P.S.=> I had no problems whatsoever showing anyone reading here that you're a "ne'er-do-well" bullshitter that hasn't done squat - prove otherwise (OH, THAT'S RIGHT - YOU? CAN'T!)... apk

    1. Re:Tell us about your "NDA" bullshit again by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      I have successfully commercially sold code to my name with proof of it right in that link, & you don't..

      In that post you link, I point out some good reasons, such as, you harassing people's ISPs. If I were to provide my real life details to you, it doesn't seem unlikely that you would harass me in other ways. Do not fret though, I have delivered numerous commercial solutions and I know from experience, that showing you evidence of any work delivered just ends up being ignored through one of your many excuses. After all, I was kind enough to show you one of the open source projects I am involved in that didn't have have my work's usual NDA stuff (because it's not a work related project). It isn't surprising though that you wouldn't know about such things.

      P.S.=> I had no problems whatsoever showing anyone reading here that you're a "ne'er-do-well" bullshitter that hasn't done squat - prove otherwise (OH, THAT'S RIGHT - YOU? CAN'T!)... apk

      As displayed in the linked thread, you weren't too interested in being shown otherwise. I'm sure you would find a mired of excuses to not accept anything shown to you.

      --
      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
  92. They try attack my ideas on hosts & fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Correct, & I'm used to them *trying* & failing, everytime.

    * FACT: YOU EVEN AGREE WITH MY IDEAS ON HOSTS FILES.

    ( Thus, the results are proof of that, constantly - with no 'detractor/naysayer' being able to prove those ideas wrong & THEY'RE CERTAINLY SHOWING THEY'RE UNABLE TO SHOW THEY'VE DONE A BETTER PROGRAM FOR THE JOB AS WELL ON THEIR PART (or, for anything else for that matter that they can prove they've done of any worth whatsoever))

    APK

    P.S.=> Ash-Fox being a "prime example thereof" - you *may* have noticed he won't even TRY it this time (since he's "all out of aces" by now)... apk

  93. If you can't understand this part? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: You need remedial reading lessons http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    It was for YOUR BENEFIT & overcomes 1 of your objections to AC posting (post count limits).

    * That "TL:DR" stuff doesn't wash with me, you have understood everything I've written thusfar, why have difficulty with that then in the link above?

    APK

    P.S.=> I'm not here to deal with "you can't write/you can't read" troll bs - & that IS what I am seeing... apk

  94. Adblock + DNS locally are wasteful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: No questions asked & agreed. However: No matter how much proof I put up from reputable + verifiable sources, trolls like Ash-Fox (also in this debate) do not "give up the ghost" & attempt to give me guff, constantly as you can see he's doing here in THIS very exchange also... unbelievable!

    APK

    P.S.=> What you describe's another "beauty" of hosts files, in COMPLETE easily managed by the user of them control...

    Other hugely inferior & inefficient methods ("Almost ALL Ads Blocked" & its variants eat more CPU + RAM, no questions asked, but are also more difficult to manage (regex vs. hosts records simple format entries) AND even DNS deny rules = more complex by far)?

    They're just NOT that simple or efficient OR EFFECTIVE (in combination) largely + stupidly "layering on more" & yet DOING LESS than a single file does in hosts running in kernelmode vs. their messagepassing overheads adding usermode piled onto a browser's operations too!

    I knew that, as you do also evidently - trolls here apparently don't (it's that or they have "ulterior motives" that hosts adversely affect - has to be, why else argue with valid tests results & logic?)... apk

  95. In case you hadn't noticed Ash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: A PhD agrees w/ me on hosts http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    * Got anything like that going here for you vs. me?

    No, as usual...

    APK

    P.S.=> Just like you didn't have proof to back up your bluster of creating successfully sold commercial code to your name/credit independently!

    By way of comparison?

    I can & did have instantly & easily verified to MY NAME/CREDIT, here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... )

    &

    All YOU had was your "NDA" bs which flies like a lead balloon, lol, as to anyone believing YOU vs. myself... apk

  96. A PhD agrees w/ me on hosts Ash-Fox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: What've you got by comparison vs. http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    "?"

    * ANSWER = Nothing on your part, as usual...

    (That's just easily verifiable, undeniable, concrete proof on my part as usual vs. your off-topic bs & weak sputterings...)

    APK

    P.S.=> Just like you didn't have proof to back up your bluster of creating successfully sold commercial code to your name/credit independently!

    By way of comparison?

    I can & did have instantly & easily verified to MY NAME/CREDIT, here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... )

    &

    All YOU had was your "NDA" bs which flies like a lead balloon, lol, as to anyone believing YOU vs. myself... apk

    1. Re:A PhD agrees w/ me on hosts Ash-Fox by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Just like you didn't have proof to back up your bluster of creating successfully sold commercial code to your name/credit independently!

      Remember how your original argument years ago was evidence about programming something significant and I provided, now it's changing to selling commercial code. You do like changing the argument when it suits you, don't you? Of course, you will do your usual spiel of dismissing things that don't agree with your 'proof'. This by the way, is why I am not too fussed about proving anything with you any more.

      I could provide the evidence, but, what difference does it make when this argument is really just an off topic attempt to dismiss me because you have more 'worthy credentials'?

      It's absurd that after all this time, you have still failed to address key points I have made in the past such as blocking entire domains (I even generated giant hosts files to do it and in turn it broke parts of the operating system in the process to (dis)prove the reality of hosts files being 'more efficient'), the vulnerabilities you mention are a non-issue for the DNS server setup I have and don't seem to have any notable difference in electricity supply through wattage monitoring when the DNS daemon/service is turned on verses not.

      --
      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
  97. Send a fake ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just edit your ID's name and send that. Considering it's only supposed to be a scan/photo of it (where you can get away with a pretty low resolution), and the drone at the other end just wants to be able to check off some form item, I don't think that hurdle is very high.

    If Facebook ever asked me to verify my fake name, I'd send them a fake ID in a heartbeat.
    My real name is none of their business, and Photoshop is your friend...

  98. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is he going to win an election if he can only campaign in the free speech zone.

  99. A PhD here supports me & you = nada, lol! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: What've you got vs. http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    "?"

    * ANSWER = Nothing on your part, as usual...

    (That's just easily verifiable, undeniable, concrete proof on my part as usual vs. your off-topic bs & weak sputterings...)

    APK

    P.S.=> Just like you didn't have proof to back up your bluster of creating successfully sold commercial code to your name/credit independently let alone making a ware up to 40% better as I did (a set of wares that took EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com to a FINALIST position @ MS TechEd 2000-2002 in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement, 2 yrs. in a row!

    YOU, by way of comparison? Nada, squat, zilch you did yourself.

    Me?

    I had that instantly & easily verified to MY NAME/CREDIT, here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... right near the top of it!

    &

    All YOU had was your "NDA" bs which flies like a lead balloon, lol, as to anyone believing YOU vs. myself... apk

  100. ermahgerdz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For all intents and purposes, it IS the internet

    You meant "Intensive purposes". It's a common mistake. The More You Know(tm)!

  101. Switching DNS to TCP vs. UDP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: It's what U do - it DOUBLES overheads inefficiently. Right there, your 'security fix' is INEFFICIENT AS HELL right off the bat!

    You also "addon more" vs. hosts single file!

    Which right there, is again, LESS efficient than hosts which are a NATIVE part of any OS bearing a BSD derived IP stack (most all, if NOT all do)!

    Which also in turn, means YOU WILL USE MORE ELECTRICAL POWER just by running more parts (if not a separate system for DNS which really tears up more power)!

    You also introduce complexity (especially vs. hosts single file easy internal design) + room for breakdown - & don't even *TRY* tell us DNS "never breaks down" either (that'd be complete bullshit).

    APK

    P.S.=> You are stupid if you actually *BELIEVE* "bolting on more moving parts" is more efficient smarter design (especially for a single user system or small home LAN)... apk

    1. Re:Switching DNS to TCP vs. UDP by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Which also in turn, means YOU WILL USE MORE ELECTRICAL POWER just by running more parts (if not a separate system for DNS which really tears up more power)!

      No discernible increase in power usage was detected at all in my wattage meters. The system I run DNS off for my LAN is still taking only 20watts average, even after turning the DNS server on. On my own PC, the a similar is true (no discernible difference) when turning on or off a DNS daemon/service as well. No discernible difference is seen either when using DNS requests, even when doing a simple loop in DNS resolution like:

      http://pastebin.com/gP3QSc9K

      Which right there, is again, LESS efficient than hosts which are a NATIVE part of any OS bearing a BSD derived IP stack (most all, if NOT all do)!

      This could be true for a specific entry, but not true where you stick a massive hosts file in, where you had to generate every single possible subdomain to a domain in order block the whole domain, assuming you even had the space for over one terabyte worth of entries to do so verses a very simple zone file to block an entire domain in DNS.

      You also introduce complexity (especially vs. hosts single file easy internal design) + room for breakdown - & don't even *TRY* tell us DNS "never breaks down" either (that'd be complete bullshit).

      How about, I don't observe any issues with my setup. The DNS server never crashed, the DNS server went down on me, the DNS server never started resolving something I specifically blackholed.

      P.S.=> You are stupid if you actually *BELIEVE* "bolting on more moving parts" is more efficient smarter design (especially for a single user system or small home LAN)... apk

      If we're in the situation of blocking malicious domains, I would rather use DNS than hosts files where it takes over 1 terabyte of entries to just fully block one domain (as you have to generate every possible subdomain combination for a domain in the hosts file otherwise).

      God damn this lameness filter, can't write posts now.

      --
      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
  102. You run more, you use more... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: It's fact & common-sense, no avoiding it. It also means MORE CPU CYCLES used (you can't avoid that either, as you're powering MORE programs - hosts doesn't incur that. It's a native part of the IP stack itself).

    YOU IN PARTICULAR ACTUALLY USE ANOTHER SYSTEM: THAT CERTAINLY MEANS MORE POWER CONSUMED IN & OF ITSELF!

    No questions asked, & NO AVOIDING IT - it's physics, fact, & REALITY!

    ---

    When you run my program, it starts you out with between a 3-11mb hosts file (on average) - that's not "massive" & it's absolutely CURRENT data. You don't NEED it resident (though it's great for protecting hosts that way if left resident) - even I don't leave it resident since the next run of it refreshes hosts from a PRISTINE copy of NEW data (unless you merge it with older data, which I DO, do (experimenting how FAR I can push hosts file data size for years now)).

    So hosts data that's current (the important type since malware makers shift & change domains/subdomains a lot) = FAR from "massive".

    Especially by way of comparison to "the competition" in browser addons:

    E.G.-> AdBlock = 128mb, UBlock= 63mb by way of comparison.

    Proof FROM -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    ---

    You don't *HAVE* to block ENTIRE DOMAINS you know. Only affected subdomains...

    ---

    DNS DOES MEAN MORE COMPLEXITY IN PROGRAM PARTS ADDED ALONE - LET ALONE DATA, & INTERNAL DATA IN DNS RULES TABLES THAT IS FAR MORE COMPLEX THAN SIMPLE 2 PART PER LINE HOSTS FILE ENTRIES TO LEARN & TO CREATE.

    ---

    YOU IN PARTICULAR ALSO DOUBLE YOUR OVERHEADS BY USING TCP in lieu of UDP TO "SECURE" YOUR SETUP - THERE'S YOUR PRICE!

    (... & you KNOW it - TCP means "callbacks" UDP doesn't have!)

    That's NOT "efficient"...

    APK

    P.S.=> There you go... apk

    1. Re:You run more, you use more... apk by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      YOU IN PARTICULAR ACTUALLY USE ANOTHER SYSTEM: THAT CERTAINLY MEANS MORE POWER CONSUMED IN & OF ITSELF!

      Yes, that other system is my router. Without it, I would have no Internet at home.

      When you run my program, it starts you out with between a 3-11mb hosts file (on average) - that's not "massive" & it's absolutely CURRENT data.

      I've already told you, I'd rather block the entire domain owned by malware operators.

      You don't NEED it resident (though it's great for protecting hosts that way if left resident) - even I don't leave it resident since the next run of it refreshes hosts from a PRISTINE copy of NEW data (unless you merge it with older data, which I DO, do (experimenting how FAR I can push hosts file data size for years now)).

      Why don't you promote your solution on FurAffinity right now? The user base are having a crisis with the advertising, see comments on:

      https://www.furaffinity.net/jo...

      They have already done numerous changes with site updates that works around 'fixes' people keep coming up with.

      --
      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
  103. The reason not to use facebook by allo · · Score: 1

    they require your realname
    they may ask you to prove it (hey, what site should be allowed to see any id documents? None!)
    they may block you
    you may use a pseudonym and feel clever, they can stop you anytime.

    Do not use it. else your create a dependency. Lose all your contents / contacts or provide a real name? Good thing, i told all my contacts, how to reach me, without having facebook. So facebook cannot block me from contacting them.

  104. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by allo · · Score: 1

    and in facebook you have a profile picture. so you point is ...?

  105. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    and in facebook you have a profile picture. so you point is ...?

    My profile picture in Facebook is a picture of you.

    When I go into the public square, my face is my face.

    --
    You are welcome on my lawn.
  106. Funny you didn't use a router before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: This captures you quoted on that much:

    "Electricity wise, not enough to make any noticeable difference on my wattage meter when I turned the DNS server off." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday June 22, 2012 @02:32PM (#40414665) FROM http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    Same here:

    "Even if I switched to recursive mode, it wouldn't be vulnerable, since I have the server set to use TCP instead of UDP for queries." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday June 22, @01:05PM (#40413497) Homepage

    To be blunt: I don't think you're telling it how it is over there or the truth actually by this point: Based on those quotes of YOUR WORDS? Seems You're just vainly reaching for straws to "try get the 'better' of me" only, via lies. Your past is your undoing, read it above...

    Plus, by using a router?

    Your blocklist would be too small to be TRULY effective due to small amounts of RAM on them (unless you spent TONS on say, a CISCO unit - making it costly, those are NOT CHEAP)

    ---

    You ASSUME an ENTIRE DOMAIN is corrupted. That's not usually the case. Usually it's subdomains.

    (Otherwise, you've got a LOT OF FALSE POSTIVES GOING OVER THERE...)

    APK

    P.S.=> No matter HOW you *try* to 'cut it', using DNS means more:

    1.) Moving parts & complexity
    2.) Power (as daemon/service & WORSE as separate system)
    3.) CPU use (more programs running)
    4.) Ram use (larger interior entries on deny lists vs. hosts)
    5.) Room for exploit (due to things like the Kaminsky redirect poisoning flaw vs. which 99.999% of ISP DNS are NOT PROOF AGAINST)

    To "fix it" vs. that flaw, as you have? MEANS DOUBLING OVERHEADS using TCP vs. UDP)... apkusing DNS means more

    1. Re:Funny you didn't use a router before by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      To be blunt: I don't think you're telling it how it is over there or the truth actually by this point: Based on those quotes of YOUR WORDS? Seems You're just vainly reaching for straws to "try get the 'better' of me" only, via lies. Your past is your undoing, read it above...

      I think you're confusing my use of 'server'. In this context, it was in regard to 'server software', not 'server hardware'.

      Plus, by using a router?

      Indeed. Mine is however heavily customized, but that's just because I like to tinker and do a whole slew of interesting things to me personally.

      Your blocklist would be too small to be TRULY effective due to small amounts of RAM on them (unless you spent TONS on say, a CISCO unit - making it costly, those are NOT CHEAP)

      You might want to take at Mikrotik router boards (Linux based routers that run a custom userland), you can custom build routers to do as you like. You might want to take a look at a pre-build one like the CCR1009-8G-1S which has 1GB memory. When comes to building these boards yourself, they're generally not even close to the pricing of routers from companies like Cisco or Juniper (affordability is based on the specs you choose, they're much cheaper than building a full blown PC to do the same task here).

      You ASSUME an ENTIRE DOMAIN is corrupted. That's not usually the case. Usually it's subdomains.

      And numerous circumstances, it's obvious that certain domains are entirely malware ridden and shouldn't be trusted. I'm not stating that we should block relatively rare dyndns service provider domains that often have a few subdomains on blacklists.

      So, are you going to go about and provide a solution to the users of FurAffinity? I would be interested to see how 'current' your solution really is.

      --
      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
  107. 1 file (hosts) does it more efficiently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Than your complex many part overhead laden setup (with huge potentials for downage, exploit, & complexity), period...

    * :)

    "Mine is however heavily customized, but that's just because I like to tinker and do a whole slew of interesting things to me personally." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Wednesday June 24, 2015 @11:30AM (#49977881)

    See above again, it's the KEY CONCEPT here: You need SLEWS of ADDED THINGS vs. myself using what I already have that's easy to manage, less complex, & more efficient + natively a part of the IP stack itself in KERNELMODE (you lose on moving parts complexity + added overheads).

    Quibble ALL YOU LIKE, & *try* to NOW tell us "oh I never said that" & your OWN WORDS trapped you!

    (I love you "registered 'lusers" & your post histories - to quote the Count of Monte Cristo here? "Twas your PAST that disarmed you Mondego!" - & THAT? Is TRULY, that...)

    APK

    P.S.=> It REALLY DOES come down to that above, Ash-Fox!

    Yes - on logic alone, you fail, as always, vs. "yours truly" & a tool I designed MYSELF (unlike a USER of others' wares + tools who couldn't even BEGIN to offer others more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity as I do using what everyone has NATIVELY ALREADY)

    Man - lol, no, instead? YOU "BOLT ON MOAR" inefficiently, lol!... apk

    1. Re:1 file (hosts) does it more efficiently by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      You need SLEWS of ADDED THINGS vs. myself using what I already have that's easy to manage, less complex, & more efficient + natively a part of the IP stack itself in KERNELMODE

      My router is not unlike a custom setup you would get in a medium or large organisation. It works well on my network and for the users and devices of my network.

      Quibble ALL YOU LIKE, & *try* to NOW tell us "oh I never said that" & your OWN WORDS trapped you!

      You're mixing complexity arguments. Regardless, my router which is running 24/7 is not showing any particular wattage differences when the DNS server/daemon/service (whatever you want to call it) is turned on or off. Nor is my personal PC when toying around with a local DNS server on it. This is the point that you're trying your best to ignore.

      So, how is that wondrous solution working out for the FurAffinity users?

      --
      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
  108. It's most unlike everyone elses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: & far more complex + problem prone vs. 1 file I use...

    APK

    P.S.=> Hilarious: 1 single file operating @ kernelmode level does ALL you can do, more efficiently - & you're giving me GUFF over that? apk

    1. Re:It's most unlike everyone elses by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      It's most unlike everyone elses

      Of course it isn't, most people don't fiddle around with their own DNS servers.

      P.S.=> Hilarious: 1 single file operating @ kernelmode level does ALL you can do, more efficiently

      Not really, blacklisting entire domains doesn't work without generating multi-terabyte hosts files (of which I wasn't even able to fully test because I ran out of disk space). I also setup a cname record for every .onion record to point to an IP address that has proxypass to tor client setup to access onion URLs. I have something similar for hulu.com, adultswim.com and a few other domains to point to another LAN IP that routes those connections through a VPS I have located in the US. This is all transparent to the browser connecting to these sites on my network. As for efficiency, for black listed domains, I return NXDOMAIN, no browser even tries to connect to establish a connection to 127.0.0.1 and fails which in my experience is more instantaneous and more efficient due to the browser not bothering to even try to allocate a socket to make a connection.

      --
      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
  109. Hosts does it more efficiently + natively by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject? Everyone has a host files but not routers w/ big RAM to do what you do (DOUBLING OVERHEADS no less, lol, switching from UDP to TCP)...

    See subject again: FACT: You "BOLT-ON 'MOAR'", needlessly to *try* to do what I do from a SINGLE FILE in hosts, operating in kernelmode efficiency!

    * Clue/New NEWS/NewsFlash: You don't NEED to do a 'multi-terabyte' hosts file, fool!

    (Current data is *THE* most important kind - threats get sinkholed @ the ICANN level within a month usually, unless they're FASTFLUX type, & what stops those great? Hosts, by host-domain name!)

    SECONDLY: Using 127.0.0.1 is STU-PID vs. 0.0.0.0, & YES, for reasons you noted, incurring overheads in MANY ways!

    E.G.-> Larger file on disk = SLOWER loading @ the OS filesystem level (in my case, up to 30% so) vs. using the smaller 0.0.0.0!

    PLUS

    For internal parsing by the IP stack itself during initial loads into memory, NOT just file load by 4k segments usually by the logical filesystem)!

    (You also do *NOT* incur the "loopback adapter" overhead hit using 0.0.0.0, but you'd have to have the loopback adapter installed (in Windows @ least) for that to occur...)

    APK

    P.S.=> Before you "give me guff" ever again? Realize something, ok?? I've been @ this stuff since 1982 on MOST every level there is, & done VERY WELL @ it (you already know this) - & I've FULLY + COMPLETELY thought this out!

    Ever seen the film "LIMITLESS"?

    Compared to you here? LMAO:

    I'm the main character vs. YOU, Mr. Van Loon (position on the YouTube player) -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    "No scenario? I see every scenario: I see 50 scenarios! That's WHAT IT DOES, Karl - it puts ME 50 moves ahead of you..." ... apk

    1. Re:Hosts does it more efficiently + natively by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Everyone has a host files but not routers w/ big RAM to do what you do

      I mentioned I could do a similar setup on some crap DD-WRT router.

      See subject again: FACT: You "BOLT-ON 'MOAR'", needlessly to *try* to do what I do from a SINGLE FILE in hosts, operating in kernelmode efficiency!

      I don't try to do what you do, which is make things resolve to an IP address to block sites. I actually announce NXDOMAIN, there is no IP address.

      SECONDLY: Using 127.0.0.1 is STU-PID vs. 0.0.0.0, & YES, for reasons you noted, incurring overheads in MANY ways!

      127.0.0.1 was an example. The browser will still allocate a socket in order to attempt to connect to 0.0.0.0, even if the OS rejects it immediately. With NXDOMAIN, it doesn't even bother.

      E.G.-> Larger file on disk = SLOWER loading @ the OS filesystem level (in my case, up to 30% so) vs. using the smaller 0.0.0.0!

      I don't need large files to use DNS to block whole domains, unlike with hosts.

      For internal parsing by the IP stack itself during initial loads into memory, NOT just file load by 4k segments usually by the logical filesystem)!

      No loading for any computer on my network, it's all handled by the router.

      P.S.=> Before you "give me guff" ever again? Realize something, ok?? I've been @ this stuff since 1982 on MOST every level there is, & done VERY WELL @ it (you already know this) - & I've FULLY + COMPLETELY thought this out!

      Your claimed there was more electricity usage, my wattage measurements showed otherwise. You need to update your metrics.

      Ever seen the film "LIMITLESS"?

      No, the fact it was perpetuating the urban legend (people just using 20% of their brains) was a turn off for me.

      "No scenario? I see every scenario: I see 50 scenarios! That's WHAT IT DOES, Karl - it puts ME 50 moves ahead of you..." ... apk

      Easy come back: I don't need a 50 move head start.

      --
      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
  110. "Rinse, Lather, & Repeat": K.I.S.S. ... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject + link (you bolt-on 'MOAR' & not needed) http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    QUESTION:

    * You saying that ADDING ON 'MoAr' (DNS or routers that MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH RAM ONBOARD TO DO A COMPLETE LIST) = more efficient & SMARTER than doing the same with less + natively with something EVERYONE HAS already (hosts)?

    IF you do say that? You're illogical & stupid - period.

    ---

    (It ALL "boils down" to THAT very simple premise here Ash-Fox... & you lose vs. it!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Besides Ash-Fox: Here's YOU telling us ALL ABOUT YOU & YOUR CHARACTER ONLINE, quoted:

    "I'm a troll" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday August 15, 2014 @11:05AM (#47677837)FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    AND ("2-4-the-price-of-1"):

    "I'm a troll" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday August 15, 2014 @11:13AM (#47677913)FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    So, you can STOP TROLLING now, since you've failed on basic logic & engineering principles (K.I.S.S.) above... apk

    1. Re:"Rinse, Lather, & Repeat": K.I.S.S. ... apk by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      * You saying that ADDING ON 'MoAr' (DNS or routers that MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH RAM ONBOARD TO DO A COMPLETE LIST)

      If physical memory is an issue, setting up swap isn't an issue, Linux is particularly good at storing memory that doesn't get changed frequently on swap.

      P.S.=> Besides Ash-Fox: Here's YOU telling us ALL ABOUT YOU & YOUR CHARACTER ONLINE

      Resorting to ad hominem attacks is genuinely the sign of someone who isn't able to handle a discussions.

      --
      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
  111. Questions (answer them) ... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    K.I.S.S. = good engineering you don't practice "adding on 'MOAR'", lol!

    1.) Does everyone have a router of a nature you describe?

    Answer = NO!

    (They have 'modems' & CAN'T DO what you do due to lack of sufficient RAM + is slower for you as TCP has callbacks & UDP doesn't + DOUBLING YOUR OVERHEADS to secure yourself on DNS vs it's many security issues)

    ---

    2.) Does everyone have a hosts file? Answer = YES (major OS' have an IP stack based on a BSD model & hosts are a part of it).

    ---

    3.) Do custom hosts files have less "moving parts" complexity/programs to run vs. other "so-called" (BRIBED) "solutions"? Answer = yes (Proven here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    ---

    4.) Do custom hosts files do MORE w/ LESS? Answer = YES (from a FASTER higher cpu serviced level of operations in kernelmode vs. usermode doing MORE from 1 FILE than any single "so-called 'competitor'" of mine out there, bar-none, & for less & are NATIVE to the system)

    ---

    5.) Have YOU incorrectly claimed I "broke services" using hosts? YES -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & I corrected you in that GIGANTIC TECHNICAL MISTAKE YOU MADE, lol!

    (Usermode slow dnscache in Windows is BROKEN w/ large hosts files: I show an EFFICIENT way to correct it using PURE KERNELMODE no context switch diskcaching kernelmode subsystem to do the job BETTER & FASTER in combination with tcpip.sys as the resolver).

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly - Those aren't 'ad hominem attacks' - THEY'RE STATEMENTS OF FACT FROM YOUR OWN MOUTH QUOTED -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Your "forums ILLOGIC logic" fails AS YOU YOURSELF LITERALLY *ADMIT* YOU'RE A TROLL!... apk

    1. Re:Questions (answer them) ... apk by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      1.) Does everyone have a router of a nature you describe?

      DD WRTs? They're just consumer routers.

      2.) Does everyone have a hosts file?

      No. There are devices in my home that do not provide access to a hosts file, such as the Logitech harmony, PS3, Wii, Wii U, the 3DSes, unrooted Android and iOS devices we have here. Do they all benefit from my DNS setup which redirects certain traffic through US proxies to get access to US-only content? Yes. Do they benefit from my DNS setup which blacklists certain really 'bad' advertisements and malware sites? Yes.

      Pretty certain these other devices exist with numerous other consumers too.

      3.) Do custom hosts files have less "moving parts" complexity/programs to run vs. other "so-called" (BRIBED) "solutions"?

      And, they take up more memory than my solution. I have a TTL of 1 minute for blacklisted domains and they don't need to pre-loaded into all the PCs on the network, therefore reducing memory consumption on all systems involved. There isn't even setup effort at all involved for any system connected, any guest on our network automatically obtains these benefits.

      4.) Do custom hosts files do MORE w/ LESS?

      Nope, see what I'm doing with DNS. I don't need to waste memory or CPU of multiple systems in my house to pull it off.

      5.) Have YOU incorrectly claimed I "broke services" using hosts?

      Yes, your method actually breaks parts of windows that you have t turn off to make it function again, you can't deny it.

      P.S.=> Lastly - Those aren't 'ad hominem attacks'

      An ad hominem attack involves deviating from the current argument by attacking the person's character, rather the content of their arguments. That is exactly what you were doing with that point.

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      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
  112. Spending money on more = good? LOL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AshFox piles on/spends "moar" more = good? Inefficient! More moving parts complexity for breakdown + SPENDING MONEY to do it ENTAILS THAT!

    (Stupidily DOUBLING your overheads + slowing yourself DOWN using TCP vs. UDP in DNS too!)

    ---

    "DD WRTs?" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Thursday June 25, 2015 @08:47AM (#49984437)

    That MOST FOLKS DON'T HAVE & have to spend $ on - that's Ash-"WestStar" (lol) - piling on "MoAr" & SPENDING MORE to do the same as 1 single file in hosts can!

    * Real "smart" & "efficient" that (not).

    ---

    LMAO -You blocked ENTIRE domains for NO GOOD REASON creating FALSE POSITIVES:

    "And, they take up more memory than my solution" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Thursday June 25, 2015 @08:47AM (#49984437)

    Ahem:When you do a STUPID THING LIKE YOU DID, blocking COMPLETE DOMAINS when limited subdomains are the problem ONLY

    (+ your datalists for the SAME data in blocking ARE LARGER & MORE COMPLEX for "deny" rules in DNS tables by far)

    By comparison: I just use what's already there natively that works!

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    "Yes, your method actually breaks parts of windows you can't deny it." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Thursday June 25, 2015 @08:47AM (#49984437)

    It's not HOSTS' problem - it's a FAULTY with LARGER HOSTS FILES slower usermode dnscache clientside service!

    TURNING IT OFF SAVES CPU CYCLES + RAM & OTHER FORMS OF I/O WASTED ON A FAULTY SERVICE stupid!

    My fix = VERY EFFICIENT PURE KERNELMODE FIX using 2 kernelmode subsystems, no context switch overheads either, unlike YOUR "fixes" (bloated, lol).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're FAV COLOR = 'transparent' since you're SO EASY TO SEE THROUGH!

    How/Why??

    Well, I "SEE YOU" troll & YOU SAY IT BEST YOURSELF as to your "fine character":

    "I'm a troll" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday August 15, 2014 @11:05AM (#47677837)(#47677837) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    & ("2-4-the-price-of-1"):

    "I'm a troll" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday August 15, 2014 @11:13AM (#47677913) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ... apk

    1. Re:Spending money on more = good? LOL! by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Post 1/2, stupid lameness filter:

      AshFox piles on/spends "moar" more = good? Inefficient! More moving parts complexity for breakdown + SPENDING MONEY to do it ENTAILS THAT!

      DD WRT is just a free opensource firmware firmware for a good chunk of Linux based consumer routers that numerous consumers likely already own, often providing better firmware than the original firmware.

      Ahem:When you do a STUPID THING LIKE YOU DID, blocking COMPLETE DOMAINS when limited subdomains are the problem ONLY

      I'd rather block entire domains that I know are under the control of malicious entities, risking them creating a new subdomain seems pointless considering how trivial it is with DNS.

      (+ your datalists for the SAME data in blocking ARE LARGER & MORE COMPLEX for "deny" rules in DNS tables by far)

      There are actually less rules because I set the domain (or subdomain) in question to have an invalid zone file, so the DNS server won't even store any information about it and just returns NXDOMAIN since it doesn't have any zone data at all. I don't need multiple entries for multiple subdomains if I cover an entire domain as well, thanks to the hierarchy nature of DNS.

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      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
    2. Re:Spending money on more = good? LOL! by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Post 2/2, stupid lameness filter:

      It's not HOSTS' problem

      It's still resulted in a broken part of the OS.

      TURNING IT OFF SAVES CPU CYCLES + RAM & OTHER FORMS OF I/O WASTED ON A FAULTY SERVICE stupid!

      You know, one of the few cases where I would genuinely consider using hosts file blocking is on a device that moves around a lot, across different networks like a laptop (and this is because some hotspots prevent doing DNS lookups outside of using their DNS server). However, breaking the DNS cache is a no go when you have to deal with connectivity issues of various wireless networks and mobile phone signal issues.

      P.S.=> You're FAV COLOR = 'transparent' since you're SO EASY TO SEE THROUGH!

      I don't think 'transparent' can be defined as a colour.

      Well, I "SEE YOU" troll

      If I really wanted to get a rise out of you repeatedly, I could go on about how I noticed you seemed to have no responses regarding the other devices in my house hold that can't use hosts files, I also noticed you didn't have a response regarding the efficiency points I had. Nor have you acknowledged that there is no issue nor provided any data to counter what I found.

      But, I don't need to in the course of this conversation, because I am not attempting to do so and I already know exactly why you haven't.

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      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
  113. Most people don't HAVE routers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: That's my point. They have ordinary cable/dsl modems only.

    * You're saying they ought to spend more to "pile on 'MoAr'" for no reason (especially when they don't have to, see ps below)

    (You're also creating a LOT of false positives by blocking entire domains that ONLY have some subdomains that are problems - that's wrong man!)

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    You don't spend a thing or create the false positives you do indiscriminately blocking WHOLE DOMAINS only on suspicion with hosts, a native part of the OS & IP stack, they don't have to

    PLUS:

    You deny rules, LINE for LINE, are much larger/longer than hosts blocking entries, by far.

    APK

    P.S.=> This says it all as to your character online & YOU did the saying of it:

    "I'm a troll" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday August 15, 2014 @11:05AM (#47677837) FROM -> by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday August 15, 2014 @11:05AM (#47677837)

    &

    "I'm a troll" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday August 15, 2014 @11:13AM (#47677913) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ... apk

  114. I save $, cpu cycles, ram, + other I/O by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Do You? No. You increase overheads UDP to TCP for starters!

    * I make up for it + make it more efficient by turning off a faulty w/ large hosts files SLOWER USERMODE dnscache

    &

    I also (per my subject line) save CPU cycles, RAM, + other forms of I/O used by it - & it's no good @ all WHEN it lags the hell out of you...!
    No questions asked:

    I make it VERY EFFICIENT by going PURE KERNELMODE using the diskcaching kernelmode subsystem in combination with the PnP kernelmode tcpip.sys IP stack resolver

    You don't!

    In fact, which is VERY UNLIKE YOURSELF & YOUR INEFFICIENT METHODS:

    I.E.-> You spend more "$" on routers, adding more moving parts & complexity + larger (line for line) BLOCKING deny rules too for DNS - CREATING FALSE POSITIVES GALORE blocking entire domains when only some subdomains are the issue only...

    APK

    P.S.=> Again, this describes you perfectly, & YOU DO THE DESCRIBING:

    "I'm a troll" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday August 15, 2014 @11:05AM (#47677837) FROM -> by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday August 15, 2014 @11:05AM (#47677837)

    &

    "I'm a troll" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday August 15, 2014 @11:13AM (#47677913) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ... apk

  115. Re:At the risk of getting downvoted into oblivion. by allo · · Score: 1

    yep. you're on your facebook profile, you're on a public place. So what?

  116. Re:Third or Fourth Paragraph by sudon't · · Score: 1

    Oh, you needed the full pseudo to get the point? My bad. Probably would've been smarter to use a realistic-sounding pseudo, but I don't see how it makes any material difference to the story. Nevertheless, this sentence comes at the first break:

    I’ve been going by the first name “Nads”—a nickname my friends, family, and colleagues all use, but does not exist on any official paperwork.

    That's seven short paragraphs down. Again, what difference does it make what pseudo she used? It's not like Facebook saw that and thought, "Hmm, looks like a fake name". One of her trolls snitched her out, so it wouldn't have mattered how "realistic" her pseudo was. Yet, you make it sound as if she were being dishonest, somehow. Then you accuse her of conflating the separate issue of Native American names, as if she were trying to ride their coattails. She's simply pointing out that there are a number of reasons, all legit, that one would want to use a pseudo. Her particular issue, as she makes clear, is stalking and trolls.

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    -- sudon't

    Air-ride Equipped