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New Leaked Build Is Evidence That Windows 10 Will Be Ready By July 29

Posted by timothy on from the is-that-an-obscure-linux-distro? dept.

Ammalgam writes: A new pre-released build of Microsoft's latest Operating System Windows 10 leaked to the internet today. The build (10151) shows a more refined and significantly faster user interface than previous versions of the product. Microsoft seem to be focused on last minute refinements of the UI at this point and the product looks almost ready for prime time. A picture gallery of Windows 10 build 10151 can be found here.

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  1. I can't wait. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Literally. So I will run Linux instead. No GNUs is not good GNUs.

    1. Re:I can't wait. by Krojack · · Score: 2

      In Linuxland, every release is a first alpha version. You're not given support and are expected to be a developer and fix everything yourself.

      P.S. I still love you linux.

  2. Evidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fact that you can reserve a download of Windows 10 with a release date of July 29 isn't evidence of this already?

    1. Re:Evidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      To be pedantic there is no guarantee that a product is "ready" when it's released.

    2. Re:Evidence? by Pascoea · · Score: 2
      I came here to post the exact thing as the GP. I just signed up for the update and it said it would download when it was available on the 29th...

      I don't think there is anything pedantic about your comment at all, it is a very valid point. Not like a software company has ever pushed something out before it was ready. released != ready

    3. Re:Evidence? by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Isn't that the problem that BitTorrent solved a decade ago?

      Seriously though, why all the flat colored squares? Somebody needs taking out the back for a good talking to.

      Clue: It's not "clean", it's dull and uninspiring.

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    4. Re:Evidence? by wolrahnaes · · Score: 4, Informative

      Isn't that the problem that BitTorrent solved a decade ago?

      Windows 10 actually does have P2P Windows Updates. It's limited to within a LAN so you won't be "sharing" your upstream with your neighbors, but if you have multiple Windows 10 installations on a network they'll pull already downloaded updates off of each other rather than going to the internet.

      Probably nice for those getting screwed by their ISPs.

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    5. Re:Evidence? by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's actually very easy, I've done it. It's just not something anyone does because of two factors:

      1. Desktops always look a little odd when encapsulated inside of a window. Think VLC or VirtualBox/etc.

      2. Aero isn't a touch Interface, and all web development has been going towards UIs that work well on both touch and desktop systems.

      And that latter is also why Windows 10 looks the way it does. Which is also why it looks like the web enough for you to think they're replicating what looks good on the web - they're trying to do the same thing.

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    6. Re:Evidence? by narcc · · Score: 5, Funny

      By following the simple process outlined in the "Get Windows 10" notification that magically appeared on millions of computers last month. If you run windows, you'll find it in your system tray. It's the white windows logo.

      Be warned: It's a highly technical process that involves "clicking".

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    7. Re:Evidence? by jones_supa · · Score: 2

      Be warned: It's a highly technical process that involves "clicking".

      I once knew a guy who mastered perfectly the process of clicking, but then I saw him doing a doubleclick. Yep, you heard it right: two consecutive clicks performed quickly one after the other. Before that I didn't know that there are people that can actually do it. Simply put, my mind was blown. It's a very cool trick, you have to see it in real life to fully appreciate it.

    8. Re:Evidence? by macs4all · · Score: 2

      My theory on the the whole point of the "flat" style is so they can imitate it in HTML/CSS. Which was not (easily) possible with the old "Aero" look.

      Personally, I think it's to give the weak GPUs on mobile devices a battery-break.

    9. Re:Evidence? by KGIII · · Score: 2

      I simply do not believe you. There is no way a human could do such a thing. Not now, not ever. Pics or it did not happen.

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    10. Re:Evidence? by dave420 · · Score: 2

      Why do you even comment on these threads? Are you just looking to swing your Apple-branded dick around? You're not bringing anything to the discussion, you are just arguing your opinion, and it's not even original.

  3. Uh this isn't news... by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How the hell it became news, I don't have a clue either. Microsoft said it was going to be released on July 29th, almost 28 days ago.

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    1. Re:Uh this isn't news... by heyguy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm running Build 10130 right now and have run into enough issues that have made me wonder whether Microsoft would be able to make their July 29th ship date with a complete product, so I found the article to be interesting. That said, I do agree that this hardly qualifies as a news story that should be posted on slashdot.

    2. Re:Uh this isn't news... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      I'm really struggling to see any differences between this and the insider preview version I've been running for a while. TFA says it is faster, but doesn't give any specifics. This is a pretty piss-poor article/submission.

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  4. Win7 is likely to be my last Windows by ThePhilips · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The modern OSes, including Win10, as if competing who can make a bigger clusterfuck out of the UI.

    Some say it is because of the touchscreen support. But in my experience it sucks even more with the touchscreen. Unless you play movies or listen to music. Because even moderately involved browsing (say going through the bug tracking) is already rather tedious.

    At least under Linux, I can replace the UI with something user-friendly like Xfce or LXDE. Useless with touchscreen - but fully usable with the mouse and not fucked up.

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    1. Re:Win7 is likely to be my last Windows by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      Yeah, Windows 10 looks like shit. /Oblg. Windows 1 vs Windows 8

      * http://gaspull.geeksaresexytec...

    2. Re:Win7 is likely to be my last Windows by ThePhilips · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Interfaces are dumbed down for touch UI. That's the main problem.

      Application are also getting increasingly dumber and dumber. Because from perspective of some, if you can't make feature "beautiful" for the touch UI, then there is no point in providing the feature.

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    3. Re:Win7 is likely to be my last Windows by gbjbaanb · · Score: 3, Informative

      You mean like this Windows powertoy from Technet?

    4. Re:Win7 is likely to be my last Windows by ThePhilips · · Score: 2

      I create graphics for educational materials.

      DTP was always a branch on its own. Most of the time you just start PhotoShop/etc, and pretty much never switch to another application. I'm not sure how Win8 could have improved (or changed) your workflow, because you rarely see the OS anyway.

      In a way, it is similar to the Internet surfing workflow. The only time you see or use the OS is to start the browser. After that, everything is done inside the browser, which is largely OS independent and can be used to the same effect under literally any OS.

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    5. Re:Win7 is likely to be my last Windows by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But in my experience it sucks even more with the touchscreen.

      That's nice. I'll voice the opposite opinion. Windows 8 tries to greatly improve the completely non-existent touch screen interface that exists in Windows 7. Windows 8 is borderline navigatable on touchscreen and I'm not talking about the metro UI (which is an abortion).

    6. Re:Win7 is likely to be my last Windows by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not very good.

      You can't move windows from one desktop to another, which is something I do frequently - move a pad of notes from one screen to another, move a meeting reminder with a webconf ID to the screen with my Windows VM (because the webconf software only works on Windows).

      There are other third party programs that also try to do it, but they do weird crap like remembering where windows are and moving them around.

      It's just not as developed as the Linux solutions have been for as long as I can remember - key combos to switch desktop, to switch desktop but drag the current window with your viewpoint, to place a window on all desktops, etc. I'll be interested to see what the Windows 10 implementation is like, but Windows 10 will likely remain just my "gaming" OS with my real work done on Linux.

    7. Re:Win7 is likely to be my last Windows by iampiti · · Score: 2
      You're up to +5 already but I'll just say that I totally agree. I wouldn't mind the ugly touch UI and "apps" if there was a switch to change it all to "classic" desktop mode (i.e. Win 95 to 7).
      What's wrong?
      • Horrid usability for desktop use (everything flat with no hints as to what's clickable, tons of waste of screen real estate because there's so much whitespace in apps)
      • Most programs have been rewritten for touch and that means : Tons of whitespace leading to waste of screen real estate, low information density
      • You're pushed to use Microsoft services: Bing, OneDrive (can't be uninstalled), Windows Store, Cortana...
      • The start menu is back... but is very limited compared to Windows 7's
      • Configuration split between a "modern" app and the classic Control Panel
  5. It find it more amazing by MikeRT · · Score: 2

    The number of people on that linked article that say they'll stick with Windows 8.1. We've been on Windows 10 for most of the year. It's had some big issues at times since it's a developer build, but no way in Hell we'd trade it for Windows 8.X.

    1. Re:It find it more amazing by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't like Windows 8.1, but I have yet to hear anyone say that Windows 10 actually fixes any of the things I don't like about it.

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    2. Re:It find it more amazing by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2

      One thing I discovered when I moved to 8.1 was that Microsoft has eliminated the "Easy Transfer" option (You can "Easy Transfer" to 8.1, but you cannot "Easy Transfer" FROM 8.1). As a result, when I get my next computer I am going to have to configure all of my settings all over again. The only other choice is to give Microsoft ALL of my personal information.

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    3. Re:It find it more amazing by Walter+White · · Score: 3, Informative

      IANAWE. I had a need to run Windows on something to develop a test TCP/IP server using VS/C#. It wasn't exactly a production system and I had SWMBO's Win7 PC to fall back on so I put Win10 preview on a new laptop and used it. VS 2013 works fine and I would expect that to be among the first programs they tested. I've also used a couple IDEs for embedded targets (Keil, PSoC creator) and they work fine on Win10 even when Win10 is running in a VMWare VM. The only thing I have seen not work is mounting host drives from the VM. I also see a null pointer exception for explorer.exe on shutdown for the most recent release.

      The charms bar that pops up on the left if I ever get the pointer close to that edge is gone - Yay!
      I can search the task menu with one click - Yay!
      The propensity for built in apps to take over the whole screen and with NO option to minimize seems to be gone - double Yay!

      And decades after other OSs have figured out how to manage multiple desktops, Win10 manages multiple desktops.

      OTOH, Win10 still figures out ways to reboot w/out explicit permission from me. That has not been fixed. Would it be so hard to pop up a dialog box following an update that asks permission? There are times I've been in the middle of something but away from the PC and it restarts because I'm not there to stop it. That is incredibly rude and stupid beyond belief and yet Microsoft deems us not worthy to make that decision.

      For my purposes Win10 is an improvement over 8.1 but not enough so to draw me away from Linux.

  6. 'Leak' ? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Windows Insider builds are available to anyone who can be bothered signing up to the program. The only 'leak' here is if publishing screenshots constitutes a breach of the EULA.

    MS releases an updated beta. *yawn*

  7. Re:Wow gorgeous by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know, Windows 10 looks rather 80s to me. It certainly doesn't look modern.

    Also, Microsoft has not yet given us any guarantees that we will not have to pay for subscriptions in future, that all features will continue to work, and that they pay for any damages that result from an automatic upgrade going wrong. So it doesn't seem wise to upgrade, at least not immediately. I'd rather wait a year or two.

  8. Re:Wow gorgeous by alexgieg · · Score: 2

    I don't know, Windows 10 looks rather 80s to me. It certainly doesn't look modern.

    It reminds me strongly of late Microsoft Encarta 1998 (sample). That said, Encarta's UI was a favorite of mine, and so I look forward to using Windows 10.

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  9. Re:Wow gorgeous by rudy_wayne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know, Windows 10 looks rather 80s to me. It certainly doesn't look modern.

    You don't understand. "Modern" is the new marketing buzzword which actually means "we're recycling a bunch of old shit from 20 years ago and calling it new". For example, the Recycle Bin icon in Windows 10, after being changed 3 times over the past several months, now looks like something straight out of Windows 95.

  10. Design by Fisher-Price? by hyades1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Having taken a look at the screenshots, I can't help but think of words like "garish", "cartoonish" and "Oh, dear, it looks like Rainbow Brite puked all over the screen".

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  11. Re:Why did they get rid of Media Center in Win 10? by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

    Wow, did you even wipe off that statistic after you pulled it out? I might buy that 10% of users *tried* WMC at some point during their ownership since it's release. Heck, I even tried it until I found out that it was essentially useless, with poor content, poor support, and outrageously expensive extension devices.

    I'd guess the current usage would be 1% or less, but I've not seen any statistics.

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  12. Still looks like WIndows 8 by gabrieltss · · Score: 2

    YAWWWWWN! Still looks like Windows 8 to me. Windows 8's UI and "look and feel" sucks big green donkey dicks! I'll be sticking with Windows 7.

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    1. Re:Still looks like WIndows 8 by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's funny how people said the same thing about the Vista/7 look when it was new. And about the XP look when it first appeared in screenshots. Probably the Windows 95 look too, but I wasn't into PCs back then.

      Having used 8 for a few years it's fine. They made the shadows a bit deeper in 10, which was my only real complaint. I've been replacing the start menu since I moved up to 7 anyway so the start screen never bothered me.

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  13. Re:Wow gorgeous by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

    ...Microsoft has not yet given us any guarantees that we will not have to pay for subscriptions in future...

    One Microsoft exec did say that Windows 10 was the start of "Windows as a Service" (WaaS). The resulting uproar caused Microsoft to backpedal quickly from the remark.

    .
    But we now know what is on Microsoft's mind for Windows in the future.

  14. Re:Wow gorgeous by alexhs · · Score: 4, Funny

    You have to admit, Windows 2.0 benefits greatly from HD displays and millions of colours.
    At the time of its initial release, you barely had 16 colours for the whole screen, and you had to convey information with them.
    Nowadays, you can have 16 distinct shades of grey, none of which gives you the slightest clue about if some UI element is actually click-able/tap-able or not, but man, aren't these fonts gorgeous ?

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  15. Bricked by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

    You don't "brick" software. You "brick" hardware to the point where it is unresponsive to user input and requires intervention at the firmware level.

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  16. Re: Wow gorgeous by Junta · · Score: 2

    Windows has made a lot of advancements, but the picture is not clear cut.

    Performance: Graphics driver stack and utilization Windows is ahead by a wide margin. Otherwise Linux usually wins (though some debate can be had about scheduling behaviors). For reference, look at the Top500 list and count the Windows deployments versus Linux.

    Security: This really is more subjective than objective in many ways. Windows let's you *think* you are logged in as admin without actually giving admin in a pretty sophisticated way. Given the common use case of desktop users using just one account as 'admin', this is probably one of the most important facets. Additionally the ability to hold multiple security contexts without having distinct processes enables applications to take advantage of OS privilege enforcement in a more efficient manner. On the flipside, Linux has more advanced namespace manipulation and enriched mandatory access control. There is much better framework for hard enforcement of very fine grained things in Linux.

    Stability: At this point things are fairly even. MS gets a nod for more resilient graphics stack, but I'd say the quality of third party drivers is frequently lower in Windows than Linux. I get more crashes on a modern Windows system than a Linux system, but I don't think MS is to blame anymore directly. If Linux were more popular and third parties did the same BS they do in Windows, Linux would probably suffer just as badly. In this way, the GPL I think has helped Linux as a kernel greatly.

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  17. Re:Wow gorgeous by WallyL · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nowadays, you can have 16 distinct shades of grey

    I want no fewer than 50, before I upgrade, thanks.

  18. Re:Wow gorgeous by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2

    Which is why one of the first things I'll do with Windows 10 will be to install a patch that fixes uxtheme.dll. The Microsoft-provided version in every Windows so far had this persistent bug where it can't see third-party themes, which is annoying and something Microsoft really ought to fix themselves instead of relying on external programmers to pick up the slack.

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  19. Re:windows update by PRMan · · Score: 2

    Or just buy a Samsung laptop... ;)

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  20. Re:Wow gorgeous by macs4all · · Score: 2

    You know, it does kinda look like the original Xeroc PARC design: http://netdna.webdesignerdepot...

    Whew! Now finally people can stop that "Apple ripped off Xerox PARC" meme!