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New Leaked Build Is Evidence That Windows 10 Will Be Ready By July 29
Ammalgam writes: A new pre-released build of Microsoft's latest Operating System Windows 10 leaked to the internet today. The build (10151) shows a more refined and significantly faster user interface than previous versions of the product. Microsoft seem to be focused on last minute refinements of the UI at this point and the product looks almost ready for prime time. A picture gallery of Windows 10 build 10151 can be found here.
Literally. So I will run Linux instead. No GNUs is not good GNUs.
The fact that you can reserve a download of Windows 10 with a release date of July 29 isn't evidence of this already?
How the hell it became news, I don't have a clue either. Microsoft said it was going to be released on July 29th, almost 28 days ago.
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The modern OSes, including Win10, as if competing who can make a bigger clusterfuck out of the UI.
Some say it is because of the touchscreen support. But in my experience it sucks even more with the touchscreen. Unless you play movies or listen to music. Because even moderately involved browsing (say going through the bug tracking) is already rather tedious.
At least under Linux, I can replace the UI with something user-friendly like Xfce or LXDE. Useless with touchscreen - but fully usable with the mouse and not fucked up.
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It's hardly an evidence - the leaked build does not really show anything revolutionary new, and we have to take a word of the author of the article that it is sleek and fast, because there are no benchmarks to compare this build with the older one. This looks more like a pitch to me.
The number of people on that linked article that say they'll stick with Windows 8.1. We've been on Windows 10 for most of the year. It's had some big issues at times since it's a developer build, but no way in Hell we'd trade it for Windows 8.X.
Let's be honest here...
No release of windows is ready for 'Prime Time' on the day it is first shipped. Anyone who things otherwise is IMHO deluded or an MS employee.
The Windows Insider builds are available to anyone who can be bothered signing up to the program. The only 'leak' here is if publishing screenshots constitutes a breach of the EULA.
MS releases an updated beta. *yawn*
I don't know, Windows 10 looks rather 80s to me. It certainly doesn't look modern.
Also, Microsoft has not yet given us any guarantees that we will not have to pay for subscriptions in future, that all features will continue to work, and that they pay for any damages that result from an automatic upgrade going wrong. So it doesn't seem wise to upgrade, at least not immediately. I'd rather wait a year or two.
I don't know, Windows 10 looks rather 80s to me. It certainly doesn't look modern.
It reminds me strongly of late Microsoft Encarta 1998 (sample). That said, Encarta's UI was a favorite of mine, and so I look forward to using Windows 10.
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I don't know, Windows 10 looks rather 80s to me. It certainly doesn't look modern.
You don't understand. "Modern" is the new marketing buzzword which actually means "we're recycling a bunch of old shit from 20 years ago and calling it new". For example, the Recycle Bin icon in Windows 10, after being changed 3 times over the past several months, now looks like something straight out of Windows 95.
Media Center wasn't introduced until Windows XP. Your timeline is off by half a decade.
Having taken a look at the screenshots, I can't help but think of words like "garish", "cartoonish" and "Oh, dear, it looks like Rainbow Brite puked all over the screen".
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Wow, did you even wipe off that statistic after you pulled it out? I might buy that 10% of users *tried* WMC at some point during their ownership since it's release. Heck, I even tried it until I found out that it was essentially useless, with poor content, poor support, and outrageously expensive extension devices.
I'd guess the current usage would be 1% or less, but I've not seen any statistics.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
YAWWWWWN! Still looks like Windows 8 to me. Windows 8's UI and "look and feel" sucks big green donkey dicks! I'll be sticking with Windows 7.
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...Microsoft has not yet given us any guarantees that we will not have to pay for subscriptions in future...
One Microsoft exec did say that Windows 10 was the start of "Windows as a Service" (WaaS). The resulting uproar caused Microsoft to backpedal quickly from the remark.
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But we now know what is on Microsoft's mind for Windows in the future.
You have to admit, Windows 2.0 benefits greatly from HD displays and millions of colours.
At the time of its initial release, you barely had 16 colours for the whole screen, and you had to convey information with them.
Nowadays, you can have 16 distinct shades of grey, none of which gives you the slightest clue about if some UI element is actually click-able/tap-able or not, but man, aren't these fonts gorgeous ?
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Windows 10 is very dated feeling. I've been using it since the Insider Preview came out.
It's not even close to the level that Android/iOS mobile is at in terms of UI and UX. It's not even to the level of a modern Linux desktop.
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I was hoping they continue releasing an English language version ;)
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You know, it does kinda look like the original Xeroc PARC design: http://netdna.webdesignerdepot...
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A lot of it is just the run of the mill stupid site trying to drive up traffic with controversial headlines. Worked too, Slashdot linked to them. However part of it is just the guy being a derp and thinking that because the UI wasn't completely polished off it wasn't ready to go. Had he looked in to it, he'd realize that kind of polish is nearly always the things that comes last, right before release, for a variety of reasons.
You don't "brick" software. You "brick" hardware to the point where it is unresponsive to user input and requires intervention at the firmware level.
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All I can guess is that Comcast who they are partners with asked them to kill media center so people wont be able to control their own content and will have to use expensive DVRs ... this is not right
Actually I think you'll find it's more to do with the cost of licensing when it comes to recording TV. From what I've read the licensing fees are absolutely extortionate which is why none of the very awesome open source media centres which in every other way shit over MS's product have this feature. It's a handy little way for cable companies to maintain a monopoly on PVRs capable of recording their channels and likewise a way to ensure that these PVRs don't record protected content.
Their start screen which uses the whole display is bullshit. I literally had no idea you could swipe and see more icons. Nothing indicates that is even possible. No scroll bars or even arrows to show there might be more in another direction. To access the options for the Metro apps you have to swipe the right side of the screen ONLY WHEN ITS LOADING. Seriously, what the fuck?
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If the link shows W10 (or, as they use to say, "Windows"), it is an overall very lousy design. To me it resembles slightly to Unity, with all the bad items carried forward from W8. Look at an almost full-screen simple interaction box: "Continue" on 70% real estate. On childish blue.
1001 *nix desktops had a nicer default background, to start with. It all looks awfully flat, I'd advertise it as "Finally real 2-D!". Navigation? A bunch of overlapping windows, seemingly arbitrarily placed on the desktop. Navigation? I see no structured clustering of applications, actually reminding me of that famous W3.x
I can imagine that it will appeal to the average art-agnostized SMS-speaking audience though; those who consider IKEA to be the most fashionable, creative and most inventive furniture shop. To those who run about brandishing their tattoos by wearing spaghetti shirts and hot pants.
It is Windows 8, with a full desktop and the worst that people can say about the UI is that the start menu is a much more extreme version of the KDE start menu. In other words, it fixes most of what people hated about 8 by giving you a real desktop again.
Very modern and beautiful OS. Microsoft is reinventing personal computer. Again. Meanwhile, OS X is continuing its march to unify with iOS. And Linux is acting like a time capsule to be shown in museums how it was in the mid 2000s. [/sarcasm]
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Windows has made a lot of advancements, but the picture is not clear cut.
Performance: Graphics driver stack and utilization Windows is ahead by a wide margin. Otherwise Linux usually wins (though some debate can be had about scheduling behaviors). For reference, look at the Top500 list and count the Windows deployments versus Linux.
Security: This really is more subjective than objective in many ways. Windows let's you *think* you are logged in as admin without actually giving admin in a pretty sophisticated way. Given the common use case of desktop users using just one account as 'admin', this is probably one of the most important facets. Additionally the ability to hold multiple security contexts without having distinct processes enables applications to take advantage of OS privilege enforcement in a more efficient manner. On the flipside, Linux has more advanced namespace manipulation and enriched mandatory access control. There is much better framework for hard enforcement of very fine grained things in Linux.
Stability: At this point things are fairly even. MS gets a nod for more resilient graphics stack, but I'd say the quality of third party drivers is frequently lower in Windows than Linux. I get more crashes on a modern Windows system than a Linux system, but I don't think MS is to blame anymore directly. If Linux were more popular and third parties did the same BS they do in Windows, Linux would probably suffer just as badly. In this way, the GPL I think has helped Linux as a kernel greatly.
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Also, Microsoft has not yet given us any guarantees that we will not have to pay for subscriptions in future, that all features will continue to work,
Yes, they have, you are just trying to spread FUD. They have made it very clear that there is no subscription model for Windows 10 and that Media Center is going away.
and that they pay for any damages that result from an automatic upgrade going wrong.
Neither MS nor anyone else can guaranty that your upgrade will work. If you aren't backing up your system/s that is your (foolish) choice.
So it doesn't seem wise to upgrade, at least not immediately.
This is true of any major software release
Wow, what's happened to this place? Someone says Linux is better than Windows and gets marked flamebait.
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I think the real question is, for those of us debating the free upgrade, most of us with Windows 7, how long do you wait?
I guess it must depend on how much of a disaster the initial launch is...
From my own perspective it will be: How many drivers will be broken? What software will not be supported?
All I know for sure is that WMC will be gone, and I will have to find a replacement for it. Though it has been kinda half broken for awhile now (unsupported codecs etc...).
No, they still use the phrase 'Windows as a Service' prominently. There's no hint that means anything with respect to how people *pay* for the thing. It seems to refer to two things depending on the audience:
-Rolling release for the consumer space. No longer do consumers have to/get to decide on a particular version. On the plus side, if you were running Vista and then 7 level of functionality came along, you get fixed for no additional cost. On the down side, if you are running something 7 like and 8 comes along, you get changed to the 8 vision (8 underpinnings were great, except for 'Modern' UI and apps).
-Deferred recognition of revenue for investors. Investors want the appearance of a 'subscription' like revenue stream. MS realizes this would be suicide for an *OS*, but still has to satisfy those demands. So hypothetically a user buys the OS for $100 from his perspective. MS defers the revenue so it *looks* like the user pre-paid for 4 years of a subscription at $25/yr. Note that there's not guarantee that the user will stop using it before that 4 years is up, but the expectation is that in aggregate that'll be the useful life of that purchase (tied to the hardware device, maybe not transferrable even for retail anymore?).
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I think a lot of Ubuntu and GNOME3 users would be much, much, happier if you were right. Both Unity and GNOME3 have tried to re-invent the desktop, but neither really have been successful.
Neither are a 2000s museum. But both could learn a lot from what Microsoft is doing - this should not be written as an endorsement of anyone deciding that the next GNU/Linux Desktop should be a clone of Windows, there's a difference between learning from and copying..
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I have just downloaded and installed Windows 10 on a PC, it seems like there is no way to disable windows update other than not connecting to the internet at all. This can be a problem if the update causes blue screen.
It's not even close to the level that Android/iOS mobile is at in terms of UI and UX.
Come on, it's not that bad! Even saying it's comparable to Android and iOS is a bit extreme, but to call it worse is just too much.
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Everything is a bit 80s today, haven't you noticed? ;)
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Nowadays, you can have 16 distinct shades of grey
I want no fewer than 50, before I upgrade, thanks.
So if I understand your logic correctly, you're going to forgo the free version and wait a year or two when you know you're going to have to pay for it because you're afraid you're going to have to pay for it? Be realistic, the worst case, if you take up the free offer is that you may have to pay a subscription to upgrade after that. If you don't want to continue with the upgrades you stay where you're at. That shouldn't be an issue for you if you're already willing to stay where you're at. I don't believe they're going to give you a version for free then start charging you for that same version after a year.
" Microsoft seem to be focused on last minute refinements of the UI ..."
The words "Microsoft" and "last minute" in the same sentence are....concerning. Hell, they have enough issues when they're not trying to reach self-imposed deadlines.
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I think I've had an average of one blue screen on each Windows 7 machine I have installed. That's over a span of about 5 years. I've never had a Linux desktop installation that didn't crash so badly as to need a rebuild over a 1 year period.
Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
Windows HAS given repeated guarantees that we will not have to pay for subscriptions for Windows 10. Waiting more than a year is stupid if you have a free upgrade path.
Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
Which is why one of the first things I'll do with Windows 10 will be to install a patch that fixes uxtheme.dll. The Microsoft-provided version in every Windows so far had this persistent bug where it can't see third-party themes, which is annoying and something Microsoft really ought to fix themselves instead of relying on external programmers to pick up the slack.
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The Top500 is not relevant to desktop or laptop performance.
I love using linux for all my HPC stuff but on a desktop or worse a laptop it can be a major pain in the ass. Linux is really tuned for a server and not as a desktop. Even with an SSD and all fully supported hardware on a laptop linux just doesn't run as well. It can use things like optimus to switch between integrated gpu and dedicated gpu but it is clunky and buggy compared to windows. The interface does not run as smoothly and the fonts don't render as well.
Only part of the problem is that consumer hardware is designed for windows, the other part of the problem is that linux still does not take the desktop seriously after all of these years. The entire experience is still pretty glitchy and I have used linux as a desktop for over 15 years now. Windows has improved enormously and it is harder and harder justifying using linux as an end user machine.
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Windows HAS given repeated guarantees that we will not have to pay for subscriptions for Windows 10. Waiting more than a year is stupid if you have a free upgrade path.
Uh huh. And the next minor rolling release will be labeled Windows 11, thus ending your free Windows 10 subscription.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Very modern and beautiful OS. Microsoft is reinventing personal computer. Again. Meanwhile, OS X is continuing its march to unify with iOS. And Linux is acting like a time capsule to be shown in museums how it was in the mid 2000s.
Wrong.
OS X is carefully incorporating certain design elements and UI paradigms that appeared first in iOS.
That is a far, far, cry from simply pitching out an entire Desktop UI and replacing it with garish children's building blocks, hidden tools and the window dressings from Windows 3.1.
Windows is already ahead of Linux in terms of performance, security and stability. These days one has to think twice if he really wants to replace his Windows desktop with Linux.
You're so right!
These days, the best choice for desktops is clearly OS X. Even with the changes in 10.10 and 10.11, overall, they are head and shoulders above everyone else in the UI department.
Additionally the ability to hold multiple security contexts without having distinct processes enables applications to take advantage of OS privilege escalation in a more efficient manner.
FTFY.
I think I've had an average of one blue screen on each Windows 7 machine I have installed. That's over a span of about 5 years. I've never had a Linux desktop installation that didn't crash so badly as to need a rebuild over a 1 year period.
Wow. I've had exactly two Kernel Panics in fifteen years of running OS X.
One was from a really sketchy freeware scanner driver, back around OS X 10.1 or 10.2; and the other was from bad Third-Party RAM I purchased with my G5 tower, in 10.4 days.
Neither was OS X's fault, per se. Other than that, I've never had a Black Screen of Death (KP Error Screen) on OS X.
-Deferred recognition of revenue for investors. Investors want the appearance of a 'subscription' like revenue stream. MS realizes this would be suicide for an *OS*, but still has to satisfy those demands. So hypothetically a user buys the OS for $100 from his perspective. MS defers the revenue so it *looks* like the user pre-paid for 4 years of a subscription at $25/yr. Note that there's not guarantee that the user will stop using it before that 4 years is up, but the expectation is that in aggregate that'll be the useful life of that purchase (tied to the hardware device, maybe not transferrable even for retail anymore?).
It's happening right now, in certain MS business divisions.
Office365 is being marketed heavily to businesses, as are "SaaS versions" of certain MS Dynamics products (e.g. MS Dynamics NAV), which has bent-over-backwards to both incorporate Office365, as well as has created a "Multi-Tenancy" paradigm, which is suitable ONLY to "hosted" installations (think Azure).
Those are just the first.
Time to jump on the OS X bandwagon! You won't ever look back...
I can't wait for Win 10. The new Win is great on touch based hardware.
Which the majority of Desktops and even Laptops don't have.
Don'tcha think that, if this Touch UI paradigm was so wonderfully applicable to non-tablet-y devices, that the hands-down leader in touch-UI (Apple) would have by now had "touch" on every MacBook and iMac in the lineup?
Don'tcha think they have a "touch-based" version of OS X (and prototype MacBooks and iMacs) in their labs for several years now? Why do you think they are so clearly bucking this marketing trend, when it was them who single-handedly brought touch-based UI development out of the Stylus age, where MS had it (unsuccessfully) stuck for over a decade, with almost zero interest?
You know, it does kinda look like the original Xeroc PARC design: http://netdna.webdesignerdepot...
Whew! Now finally people can stop that "Apple ripped off Xerox PARC" meme!
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It's the only way to be sure.
Hard to tell. That link was to a site in English but all the screen shots were in Chinese, and without any explanatory text or organization into cateogories even if you did know Chinese. There's just no useful stuff there to make any opinion for or against Windows 10. A very bad bit of marketing there.
Wow, what's happened to this place? Someone says Linux is better than Windows and gets marked flamebait.
Probably because the "operating system X is better than operating system Y" kind of argument either with no context or on subjective grounds is flamebait.
OSX lacks even simple things like the ability to log in to a machine without a mouse. There is no way to tab into the password field at the OSX login screen,
Wrong! fucktard.
There are actually TWO ways to do this: If the Mac is set to show a list of Users at startup, then pressing the first letter of you Username and Press Return (Enter). This will put you into the Password field, where you can enter your Password.
The second method involves pressing Ctrl-F7, which puts OS X into "full keyboard access" mode (it's a toggle). Then you can use TAB to move between Input fields and other UI elements.
As I am sure you don't know, because you are an arrogant little ignorant fucktard hater, is that OSX has ALWAYS supported a pretty large array of built-in Keyboard commands; and not only that, unlike Windows (I don't know about Linux), you can actually DEFINE Keyboard shortcuts that are Application-Specific, or even System-Wide (see link on the Article I linked-to).
So, I guess the "Apple Way" is really more like "Whatever way you want", eh?
I guess it's time for the obligatory "You must be new here"
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Nearly all the goofiness around the desktop experience in Linux is around the graphics stack. This is of course critical for desktops, but I had mentioned it above.
I go with Linux because I just don't like the Windows UI choice. I use Windows on my gaming system, but my Intel graphics laptop I just do linux. The graphics are adequate and my ability to actually debug weird stuff is better (my Windows system started hanging on attempts to shutdown, restart, or suspend and there's no peep of a clue as to what it's trying to do when it hangs).
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I don't know OSX and have no opinion on the matter, but Ctrl-F7 before tab can navigate between input fields seems weird. Why not have those commonly used keyboard shortcuts 'just work' without particular difficulty.
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I don't know OSX and have no opinion on the matter, but Ctrl-F7 before tab can navigate between input fields seems weird. Why not have those commonly used keyboard shortcuts 'just work' without particular difficulty.
Ctrl-F7 ("Full Keyboard Access") is part of the "Accessibility" Features in OS X. Normally, you can just TAB between Text Input Fields in Dialogs in OS X; but Ctrl-F7 enables a BUNCH (more) Keyboard Commands in OS X that can be used for UI Navigation, and was mentioned in an internet posting I found regarding how to navigate the OS X Login screen without requiring a Mouse.
On Windows 10, the Start menu is back if you are on a computer with a keyboard and pointing device. No learning curve. If you are using a tablet you get a Start screen that has both tiles and a full program listing.
Build 10158 was released to the Fast ring yesterday. People who are running the Insider Preview of Windows 10 can now see a more recent build than that leaked one.
What about the removal of bugs? MS is notorious for performing minimal regression testing for errors, preferring to let users find them, at no cost to MS, then releasing patches.Never install version xx.0 of any,software, especially from MS.
I'm trying to figure out what happened to the frosted glass Microsoft promised us. In the screenshots from the article we only see frosted glass in the start menu and taskbar but everything else, like the window titlebars, is still flat and bland.
I hope at least the frosted glass is part of the DWM again so that Stardock can take advantage of it in WindowBlinds.
Maybe old people just enjoy silly arguments more.
I never noticed that. You're right - it's nearly identical. It just has the font anti-aliasing (and better kerning as a result) and the higher DPI that's needed to make it work well.
You press the Windows key and start typing "not" and press enter when it pops up as the first result. Same as Windows Vista and 7.
Did you even look for alternatives? The HDHomerun with MythTV is a great option for OTA broadcasts (and Clear QAM cable). It's only Cablecard's DRM and recording rules that makes a DRM-supporting OS and media format a requirement.
Well..technically with an HDCP stripping device (Illegal in the US due to DMCA), you can connect a cable box to a gaming HDMI recorder device and have a nice convoluted setup.
I'm not sure if it's even licensing fees. It's Cablecard. You need end-to-end DRM, including drm-ed media files and HDCP to the screen. So most of the things you or I might want to do with a DVR is much more complicated on a computer (like watching a recording from another device, transcoding, etc.)
For OTA or Clear-QAM, there are a LOT of great options.
Yes specifically licensing the technology to use cablecard. It's expensive, apparently really expensive.