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AMAgeddon: Reddit Mods Are Locking Up the Site's Most Popular Pages In Protest
vivaoporto writes: As reported by CNET and TechCrunch, reddit moderators are locking up the site's most popular pages in protest against the dismissal of Victoria Taylor, a key member of the site's behind-the-scenes team. Taylor, who was the main facilitator for the site's question-and-answer community "Ask Me Anything" (graced by the presence of notables like Barack Obama, Jerry Seinfeld and regular folks like a line cook at Applebee's) was fired yesterday, causing all sorts of problems for Reddit's most mainstream offering.
Taylor's reported departure, which has been dubbed AMAgeddon, led other moderators of the marquee IAmA subreddit to switch the page's settings to private, rendering the Reddit userbase unable to view the page. Since then, dozens of other subreddits including /r/askreddit, /r/videos, /r/gaming and /r/gadgets — each with several million subscribers — have also been made private, instead re-directing readers to a static landing page.
Reddit's cofounder and executive chairman, Alexis Ohanian, said in a post, "we don't talk about specific employees. (...) We get that losing Victoria has a significant impact on the way you manage your community, (...) I'd really like to understand how we can help solve these problems, because I know r/IAMA thrived before her and will thrive after." He later apologized for how communication was handled. A full recap of the situation is available at the site itself, with insights from redditors about the whole situation.
This comes in the wake of other highly controversial events like the response to what became known as The Fappening, and the more recent ban of the controversial but popular FatPeopleHate subreddit.
Taylor's reported departure, which has been dubbed AMAgeddon, led other moderators of the marquee IAmA subreddit to switch the page's settings to private, rendering the Reddit userbase unable to view the page. Since then, dozens of other subreddits including /r/askreddit, /r/videos, /r/gaming and /r/gadgets — each with several million subscribers — have also been made private, instead re-directing readers to a static landing page.
Reddit's cofounder and executive chairman, Alexis Ohanian, said in a post, "we don't talk about specific employees. (...) We get that losing Victoria has a significant impact on the way you manage your community, (...) I'd really like to understand how we can help solve these problems, because I know r/IAMA thrived before her and will thrive after." He later apologized for how communication was handled. A full recap of the situation is available at the site itself, with insights from redditors about the whole situation.
This comes in the wake of other highly controversial events like the response to what became known as The Fappening, and the more recent ban of the controversial but popular FatPeopleHate subreddit.
https://archive.is/ppes2
The admins didn't realize how much we rely on Victoria. Part of it is proof, of course: we know it's legitimate when she's sitting right there next to the person and can make them provide proof. We've had situations where agents or others have tried to do an AMA as their client, and Victoria shut that shit down immediately. We can't do that anymore.
Chooter didn't allow anyone to do fake third-party AMAs, nor did she allow anyone to pay money to do an AMA. She practiced what she preached:
http://blog.prspeak.com/blog/p...
My comment from Reddit's banfest a few weeks ago:
Reddit has unbelievable traffic and reach, so stuff that earns popularity there gets spread to virtually everywhere and everyone.
It's exposure that marketers (of anything: products, politics, whatever) would kill for. They want to buy their way in, but not if some dirty peasant can tell the truth and (through sheer merit) get voted up and be taken just as seriously (or more seriously) than their bought & paid for message.
So Reddit sees advertisers chomping at the bit to throw money at it, but first Reddit has to demonstrate that it can crush contrary opinions at will.
IMO redditors are right to be suspicious that Reddit suddenly removed (without explanation) the only person whom they trust to expose fake/paid AMAs.
No, we don't know why she was fired. But even if it was for cause, what the mods and community are most angry about is the lack of communication from admins (lots of them were left hanging for scheduled AMAs, with no word from Reddit). You see this lack of communication cited over and over again in the explanations on the subreddits made private. They say it's been a problem for years, and yesterday was just the tipping point.
Reddit's rationalization of its recent taste for censorship is that they want to create "safe spaces" to prevent abuse, harrassment, threats, terrorism, earthquakes, etc. But that is clearly a lie because they never provide evidence of such harrassment and they allow much worse subreddits like SRS to exist, and many other subreddits have been banned since FPH without even the pretense of a "harrassment" excuse, and there are other examples of uneven enforcement (e.g. the admins told KiA (the Gamergate subreddit) that they can't post public company contact info, which appears to be a "rule" unique to KiA).
Saying the wrong thing (especially criticism of Pao) can easily get you shadowbanned, which means you can see your own posts but no one else can see them. This feature can only be used by admins (not mods), and its only legitimate use was against spammers and bots, but even that's no longer the case because tech-savvy users (e.g. spammers) know how to test for it. Now it's just a sneaky way they censor with the hope of avoiding a confrontation and backlash.
Of course none of these unique and secret and biased rules and enforcement policies have been communicated to the community or mods either. This is almost always the real root cause behind every Reddit leadership fuckup with corresponding mod/user uprising, and this time even they and their friends in the corrupt, colluding tech news media--you know, the ones who hailed Pao as a hero of women for her frivilous failed lawsuit--can't hope to spin this user/mod revolt into a "redditor harrassment" narrative. It all started over Reddit's firing of a universally-beloved female employee, for fuck's sake. Redditors would trade
It's a shame we can't do something similar to get some changes made on this site. Shithole that it now is.
If we could have showed them how bad beta is much earlier on, the nightmare would have ended faster. And bennett haselton is only on pause mode, not permanently gone.
https://www.reddit.com/r/techn...
Reddit now going the way of digg with it's mass stupidity. Looks like 4chan is the only reasonable alternative.
Bot generated list of shut down subs.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GoldTesting/comments/3bypzz/amageddon_tracking/
Someone asked a loaded question to Jessie Jackson accusing him of nefarious mob style tactics. Victoria left the question up, in fact it was upvoted near the top. He responded without answering the question. Then she got fired.
My speculation is that Jessie used nefarious mob style tactics to get her fired.
Reddit is done, the only question is how long does it have left?
Since Ellen Pao was made interim CEO its been bad decision after bad decision
I decided to give up on Reddit and come back to my roots on slashdot, and this is the top story I see.
Nothing of value was lost.
The faster that cess-pool of a circle-jerk self-congratulatory website goes away, the better off the web will be.
So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
Dig 2.0 all over again.
What these companies seem to fail to understand is that by having "the community" do their work for them without pay, they lose any kind of hold on the site and the community.
The mods have nothing to lose by fucking up you site if you mess with them. They can move to a new site tomorrow.
Maybe if being a mod was a payed job you could tell them what to do.
"Snark, sarcasm, insults and bullying are considered intelligent conversations" Sounds like Slashdot!
Time for bed, said Zebedee - boing
I miss fatpeoplehate, because any time someone said something good about it, I knew they were a piece of shit. I don't know enough about Reddit to know which boards to have that opinion of, so I just have that opinion of all of 'em now... because Reddit is home to big collections of jackholes, and they're proud.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
If Reddit is the peanut gallery of the Web, what does that make Slashdot?
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Fire Ellen Pao! Nao!
Reddit are Digg-ing a hole for themselves ...
Put another way: If the Reddit leadership wants the mods' valuable labor to remain free as in beer, then they'd better allow it to remain free as in speech.
Immature and smug admin response did not help either http://www.reddit.com/r/Subred...
http://www.voat.co/ is currently down. I'm assuming for capacity issues (again)
Reddit was good, about 5 years ago. It's turned from a time waster to a waste of time.
I hang out in a few subreddits that aren't bad. The front page has become kind of a joke in a non-funny bad way.
The chocolate covered raisins that got dropped under the movie seats?
You mean shadowbanned
The old folks home, full of senile old farts pining for the way things were.
A website comes and makes some "social web application for sharing stuff", said web application has some very interesting discussions -> said web application gets popular -> said web application gets increasingly worse usually as a consequence of trying to monetize it or due to the sheer number of people using (drowning everyone else in noise) -> users start to migrate to alternatives -> only a shell remains -> death.
See: digg, facebook, myspace, orkut, slashdot...
Every time there's an article about reddit I have to visit their site to remind me exactly what reddit is.
And at that moment I remember why I don't ever remember. I'm still not sure what it's supposed to be.
No, your children are not the special ones. Nor are your pets.
Fuck off, Mrs. Pao.
I am hearing that several subreddits that went private were forcibly reopened by the admins, and the mods were unable to do anything about it after. I don't have sources, but if it's discovered that it true, that would be the final nail in the coffin for me. The Reddit administration is interested in one thing, and one thing only right now: Milking the site for as much money as possible, as quickly as possible, and fuck the users. Well, fuck them then, as a user. We'll see if they can make their sweet cash when no one wants to use their site anymore.
digg => fourchan => reddit => voat
...oh, wait...
The old folks home, full of senile old farts pining for the way things were.
Get off my lawn!
[Remainder of tinfoil hat rant snipped]
That's what the Reddit hivemind thinks... In reality, not so much. Reddit only makes the news when it's on fire, again.
They don't know why she was fired, right? But they want her back? Is that it? The internal, human resources issues aren't the concern of non-employees. They want reddit to OK their decisions with non-employees? To tip them off? "Keep this quiet, but we're going to fire someone in a couple of weeks; can you start arranging AMAs with this other person instead?". What a joke.
If you host your content on someone else's server, don't act surprised when they suddenly turn into an asshole and do things you don't want done.
Centralized control = bad. There's been plenty of time to learn that by now.
awhile ago
and i feel vindicated
reddit needs to pay its mods (say, a cut of ad revenue from their sub)
if they work for free, they have no real power over them. which is unstable as current developments indicate
also, if they pay them, they can fire them
you can say paying mods will change the tenor of reddit but this is bullshit: what motivates someone to mod for free is a sort of pathetic need for power, which is actually worse than any nefariousness due to filthy lucre as their motivation
bye bye reddit, you were fun. but you have a fatal flaw in your power structure:
uncaring admins and abusive mods
so what's the next site to rise?
any tips?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
you think those are chocolate covered raisins?
8+ million users with accounts. 12 million unique ip's a month.
400k unique ip's a month for slashdot...
Hi, Elaine!
It's happened before, it'll happen again.
The people that have historically been on reddit were a 'techy' or 'nerdy' minority. They were who Slashdotters were 20 years ago. They want to attract bored housewives and people not currently on reddit and they'll never do it with fat people hate or other people having full control of subreddits or big things like Secret Santa, so they got rid of everyone that disagrees. Victoria actually made celebrities do their own AMA. Now they can just have the PR firm phone it in.
If anyone is upset at the changes then you they weren't the target demographic of Reddit 2.0. The type of people that originally came to Reddit a decade ago will find elsewhere. Reddit will continue to exist as a place for bored housewives to continue talking becoming a facebook of sorts. Right now all of those people are shoehorned into a terrible ayout of Facebook (Notice how facebook just added threaded discussion?). They're going to attract the people that want a "better" place to discuss things than Facebook but not actually have any real discussion. Why do you think CoonTown and SRS still exist? Loud vocal minority idiots are very profitable (Patreon).
Write something in a low level, portable language. Someone on slashdot should know how to roll up Usenet, IRC, voting & a web front end into a single set of packages that anyone can host.
Why isn't 'moderation' in a RFC yet? It's something that could probably be nailed out by now as we've tried multiple different methods.
I personally prefer Slashdot's style of moderation for most things. (Where its limited to -2 to +5, and you have taxonomy built in). But for some things I prefer Reddit's where everyone gets a vote. Let people write their own implementations of the RFC and let anyone incorporate it into their website. Slashdot and Reddit are open source in the same way that OpenSSL was. Technically open source but such a pain in the ass to get running for most people it wasn't worth it.
Add on Tor/I2P and you now have all of the above 'off' of the main internet.
What these companies seem to fail to understand is that by having "the community" do their work for them without pay, they lose any kind of hold on the site and the community.
What they fail to understand and when they fail to understand it is that the community doesn't give a shit about them and right away. The community just wants a host to infest.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Come on, I see this all the time, Reddit now must be 1000 times bigger than Digg ever was at it's peak. The reason I remember leaving Digg was the fact they had switched to a more populist model, something Reddit did Loooooong ago.
If you think someone isn't free to have a different definition of "freedom" you may be a tyrant.
Mods cant shadowban you. Only admins (reddit employees) can. Even if an admin did shadowban you, all that is required is a PM to the reddit team to get it removed and report the offending admin. There were only a handful of admins in 2007, which is why I dont believe your story.
And people have loyalty to the mods and the other posters on the sub, not the admins. If the mods of /r/IAmA or /r/AskScience said "fuck it, we're going to voat," lots and lots of people would go with them.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Digg was worth $160 million once. Sold for $500,000.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Gobble!! Grabble-Gabbners"" Cis white Sexist SHITLORD!! You hate women! You'r e racists. Check your fucking privilegee and get ont he wright side of herstory you pathetic fat neckbeard NERD!!!! Stop harassing me you troll!
Never has there been a more self-congratulating user base than Reddit's. Yet, even the users are overshadowed by the incompetent leadership team. It could never last.
I think voat would catch fire if they could keep their servers up during the surges.
voat.co, although it's currently down as it's been overwhelmed with traffic with people fleeing reddit.
Or maybe it's time to go back to usenet?
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Having been in various stages of management for years you don't just fire people unless they are stealing or grabbing peoples asses without doing a risk assessment first and getting coverage. That isn't like black belt shit that's common sense.
Slashdot will rise again.
hmmm... what about slashdot?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Where's the upvote button... crap. I have no idea what I'm doing.
They are a large part of the community. Your whole site runs based on the community. Your community is more like a customer than a non-employee. A customer that suddenly loses their favorite member of the company they are in contact with certainly will have some questions and might chose to bring their business elsewhere if the answers are no satisfactory.
You think students have never had questions about why a certain teacher was fired, especially if it was a teacher that did a very good job from the students perspective? If they are an important part of your community, there better be a good reason to kick them out.
I never left. /.'s been my home page for 15+ years. But, it does not encompass everything I want to discuss on the internet, so I want a general purpose discussion forum, too.
/. is a shadow of its former self, it's still better than any of the alternatives. And yes, I'm a subscriber at soylent, but there's nobody there.
Sadly, though, while
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Fuck Reddit. It's turning into a SJW/corporate shit-show. Let it go the way of Digg.
Ah, Slashdot quickly reporting on Reddit drama, while simultaneously suppressing the Sourceforge drama. How lovely.
I made fun of fat people. They need to get fatter. I am obese BTW.
http://retroshare.sourceforge.... Though its reddit-like system is not quite finished yet, it is amazing what it can already do (and in other areas too!)
8+ million users with accounts. 12 million unique ip's a month.
400k unique ip's a month for slashdot...
Well I for one am coming back here...
Want to learn about race cars? Read my Book
Don't worry mate, Dice are trying there best to run /. into the ground just as fast as reddit has.
This is a company that recently banned salary negotiations. Common sense doesn't apply here.
Lol, so much butthurt.
Yes, Dice's mouth is watering over that. Lots of stories about Reddit here over the last few months. I sense an impending acquisition of Slashdot, bringing an end to the last uncensored forum I know of. If anybody knows of others, please post.
Agree, but they should have had a much better response prepared.
It's like if you suddenly fire the company rep that your main customer has been dealing with exclusively for years. You don't just call them up and say "hey, Joe's no longer with us, we'll get back to you in a bit about his replacement."
Slashdot and Reddit are open source in the same way that OpenSSL was.
Is slashdot even open source any more? Seems like at some point slashcode silently stopped being updated, and now seems very out of date.
From the very top of the linked thread (emphasis mine)
TL;DR /r/IAmA, /r/AskReddit, /r/funny, /r/Books, /r/science, /r/Music, /r/gaming, /r/history, /r/Art, /r/videos, /r/gadgets, /r/todayilearned, /r/Documentaries, /r/LifeProTips, /r/Jokes, /r/pics, /r/Dataisbeautiful and /r/movies have all made themselves private in response to the removal of an administrator key to the AMA process, /u/chooter, but also due to underlying resentment against the admins for running the site poorly - being uncommunicative, and disregarding the thousands of moderators who keep the site running. In addition, /r/listentothis has disabled all submissions, and so has /r/pics. /r/Jokes has announced its support (but has not gone private and has also gone private). Major subreddits, including /r/4chan, /r/circlejerk and /r/ImGoingToHellForThis, have also expressed solidarity through going private.
That sounds really familiar for some reason, but I can't seem to put my finger on it.
Why are people wasting their time on shit sites like Reddit anyway? It's just utter crap, like most of the Internet is utter crap. Everyone talks about what a great platform the internet is for 'free speech', like they talk about how so-called 'social media' allegedly 'brings people together', when in fact it's the exact opposite in both cases. The Internet is being used to oppress people by trolls, social outcasts, and totalitarian governments, it's being used to spy on us, it gets worse every day, and meanwhile assholes like the goddamned motherfucking 'islamic state' dickheads are using it to recruit fucked-in-the-head kids so they can teach them how to cut people's heads off, be suicide bombers, and basically make the world a bigger shithole than it already is. Face it: the Internet is just a wholly owned subsidiary of corporate culture, and all it's really good for so far as they're concerned is as a way to extract more money from people's pockets for crap nobody needs in the first place. Fuck Reddit, fuck the Internet, and fuck this entire story, as it's more overflow from the terminally neglected cesspool that is the Internet. The best thing that everyone could do with the Internet at this point is to go back to the pre-public-Internet days, shut down all the ISPs, and put it back to being accessible only at colleges and university campuses, and the government, and leave it at that. Maybe people will stop being such total fucking autists and assholes if they are forced to actually interact with people IN PERSON instead of hiding behind a computer screen.
That means Reddit as a whole is popular (and fairly large) but popularity != influence.
Especially when you consider that even the largest subreddit is but a fraction of that traffic - much of the traffic is spread across thousands of subreddits (many of them quite small, even though they're popular among their habitues). It's essentially a collection of independent websites (though bound by a common interface and portal) ranging from fairly small (in terms of the overall web) to infinitesimally tiny.
Looking at this list of subreddits that have gone dark is instructive. Relatively few break the 100k subscribers mark, most are under 10k. And unless Reddit is very unusual in it's counting, the number of subscribers is a significant multiple of the number of active users.
How do you differentiate between that and a site that wants to remain open for it's users despite the actions of few?
I hear you. It sucks when someone decides to take their ball and go home only to be reminded that it's not their ball. It sucks even more when you support that someone only to be reminded that it's not your ball or your home, and that both of you are very replaceable.
The users don't care about this. You're a tiny minority that wants to see a catfight because you've decided someone is irreplaceable without any actual knowledge as to why they were let go.
It happened in /r/buttcoin (a Bitcoin comedy subreddit). Why on earth would the admins force a comedy subreddit to reopen?!
Proof:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3by3eq/this_sub_is_now_private/
http://i.imgur.com/1woKG9P.png
The left field bleachers? They do catch the most balls...
Who got hit in the chin with more balls, Yogi Berra or Rock Hudson?
Yes, Dice's mouth is watering over that. Lots of stories about Reddit here over the last few months. I sense an impending acquisition of Slashdot, bringing an end to the last uncensored forum I know of. If anybody knows of others, please post.
Usenet.
Why is no one mentioning the AMA yesterday that went horribly wrong for Jesse Jackson?
It seems like this is the reason why she was fired, because she didn't do enough to protect his image.
(Personally I think he's a Race-Baiting asshole.... so I don't care if people ask him how he feels about being one)
The subs that stayed open often made stickied announcements explaining why.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
well done, sir
Slashcode hasn't been open source in some time. Soylent built their site based on an older version of slashcode that was available and has modified it and improved it from there. Slashdot is built on the closed, and now completely proprietary, slashcode base.
Please Dice, drop the silly share button and return the read more link, and the read comments link. And provide a way to turn off the video stories that get stuck inline. This is an appropriate story to remind you of this. Your money is made because of content provided for free by us.
I'd prefer to have mods that didn't lock me out of the site and make me a civilian casualty of their war with Reddit leadership.
voat early, voat often.
... hmmm... not really... all the gaming journalism sites updated their ethics policies which was what GG wanted... the "gamers are dead" articles were killed and they haven't done that again.
I think comic con san diego is going to have a GG discussion...
And the developers and publishers have almost entirely sided with the evil gamers... because... they actually buy games.
Most of the important people in anti GG were fired or have been marginalized and a few of the pro GG people have actually openly gotten jobs at some of the bigger gaming news sites like the Escapist.
so... everything you said would make perfect sense... if you said the exact opposite. :-)
Contradict me... I would love to rub your face in a bit more... I am turgid with excitement. :-D
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
The users don't care about this.
You know that content gets voted by the community and only appears on the front page if enough people care, right? Enough people care to fill the front page with their hate. Enough people care that /r/pics which was private and is now open again ( possibly because admins) is also filled with hate. The non hate content is in the minority and without content reddit is nothing.
One \. to rule them all. One \. to find them all and on the interwebs bind them all \.
Your mom.
One of the many reasons mods are upset is that the employee who was fired was (by all accounts) crucial to the reliability and credibility of AMAs.
Pro Tip: Pay close attention anytime a manager or company says something like "employees are our most valuable asset" or "... are critical to our success" because that's what they look/sound like when they're lying to you.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
The old folks home, full of senile old farts pining for the way things were.
What does that make Usenet?
I for one won't be back until
Or the pub IRL.
Please Dice, drop the silly share button and return the read more link, and the read comments link.
Second this, but don't know why, at least, they can't all be displayed?
BTW, I solved this, and the video stories by adding this rule to my Proxomitron config file for "slashdot.org":
Matching expression: </head>
.fhitem-poll { display: none !important; }
.nav-social { display: none !important; }
.popularity { display: none !important; }
Replacement Text:
<style>
</style>
</head>
And killed auto audio play using:
Matching Expression: <audio \1 autoplay="*" \2>
Replacement Text: <audio \1 \2>
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
And everyone votes. And everyone takes their day-off July 3rd holiday to go to reddit. And everyone... Show me a votes to daily-visits ratio before you declare what is a minority and what is not.
That's not cometely true as all the assets put together went for over 20 million. I'll do for a 40 year olds retirement.
reddit needs to pay its mods (say, a cut of ad revenue from their sub)
Or they could do moderating like slashdot does, which is superior to every other moderating system on the web.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
only fagots and sailors use reddit
cant wait until that circle jerk of a site dies like digg
The guys over at soylent have been revamping the code. Full Unicode support and full SSL is in already. They are *very* upfront about the changes they make to the site. They even added in some meta moderation types that have been needed for a long time (disagree, touché, spam). You may not like the traffic levels but they are the only ones keeping the code going. It is a very *classic* Slashdot interface.
https://soylentnews.org/meta/
https://soylentnews.org/about.pl
https://github.com/SoylentNews/rehash/
I am turgid with excitement.
Maybe it's nicotine withdrawal, but that just made me think "Juffo-Wup fills in my fibers and I grow turgid. Violent action ensues."
She did an AMA with Jesse Jackson yesterday that "surprise" didn't go well for him.
Make any minority leader look bad, and you can expect to loose your job.
Highly offensive, but still running full speed ahead! If you know any journalists, be sure to tell them about this delightful part of reddit!
http://www.reddit.com/r/CoonTown/
NSFW it's highly offensive!
Sadly, though, while /. is a shadow of its former self, it's still better than any of the alternatives.
I do agree that /. is a shadow of its former self, but I can't quite put my finger on it. What makes it less fun now than ~2-5 years ago? As long as I avoid the occasional switch to beta, the site itself seems fine. Although maybe the comments have dried up a bit. But I dunno why.
Wealth is the gift that keeps on giving.
You know if I was a Feminazi, I'd likely have people to play up the villain roll. Ever heard of a false flag?
I'm not saying there aren't sexists in the world, but the coordinated poisoning of the GG movement from within and in conjunction with the media coverage was just too well timed.
I can't be a profession victem unless there are a few horrible trolls to oppose. I doubt their "ethics" would prevent them from such underhanded shit.
The only appropriate way to use "turgid" anymore is to quote the Mycon. SC2, so based. Wonder what is going on with Stardock's SC reboot?
Go suck Jesse Jackson's dick, his AMA went badly yesterday because he's a piece of shit that shouldn't interact with the public.
He could really use your support, and butthole.
If I were fired, I would want my former employee to give me the courtesy of not talking about the situation without clearing it with me first.
Unless I've been arrested, am under indictment, or being sued by my former employer and the suit is not under seal, the reasons for my departure should be private until I say otherwise. Even then, nothing should be said other than what is already in the public record.
The only thing they should say without me giving them permission to talk is if I am eligible for rehire, and then only if am applying for work or a position of responsibility somewhere else and that employer or entity routinely checks past work history.
Other than that, yeah, Reddit probably should have handled things better.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
Here you go, screenshot of discussion between Pao and the moderator or /r/pics:
http://imgur.com/a/v7gHd
The joke's on you. "They" can do whatever they want. They can boycott reddit, for example, if they want to.
I was clearly talking about my epeen... but if you'd rather my comment refer to a sapient fungus with funny dialog from SC2... I'm cool with it. :-P
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
This is the first I've heard of it. Unfortunately, I think I should leave it that way.
I just don't think I can take the risk of that kind of heartbreak right now...
Learn to read you retard, he started using reddit in 2007, and he was banned last month.
Now, what fucking year is it?
You want me to give a shit about the "other things" gamergate represents start a new fucking movement. I could give two fucks what that movement has to say at this point.
Hey, I recognize that shitty attitude. It's downright identical to Gawker's . . . right before the FTC got involved in December (in direct response to GG pressure), and Gawker was forced update their disclosure policy (and tons of articles that were then clearly in violation). And things have only gotten worse for them since. Read it and weep:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Kotaku...
The section of the FTC's website that deals with disclosures was updated late last month:
https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advic...
Some of this new guidance directly reflects the language and particulars of the concerns GamerGate asked the FTC to address.
"Is “affiliate link” by itself an adequate disclosure? What about a “buy now” button?"
Consumers might not understand that “affiliate link” means that the person placing the link is getting paid for purchases through the link. Similarly, a “buy now” button would not be adequate
Does this guidance about affiliate links apply to links in my product reviews on someone else’s website, to my user comments, and to my tweets?
Yes, the same guidance applies anytime you endorse a product and get paid through affiliate links.
The revised webpage contains a great deal more language that needs to be analyzed but these two examples in particular reflect specific complaints GamerGate had about how Gawker Media handle their affiliate link disclosures. I know of no other group of people who were vocally complaining about this specific practice to the FTC. In addition, the FTC emails from my previous posts confirm that, yes, the FTC tailored part of their new guidance because of frequent complaints sent by GamerGate.
That's only scratching the surface of the FTC guideline updates directly attributable to Gamergate (follow that link for plenty more), but you get the idea.
Yes, you're free ignore the disclosures on Gawker articles if they bother you, or don't care . . . but they will be made available to you, by law . . . just as Gamergate wanted from the very beginning of the journalism scandal. Deal with it.
Reddit, so far, is living on investors money... their last published revenue from advertisement was $8.3M in 2014, of which they gave 10% to charity. In 2013, they operated in the red... as far as I know, they also operated in the red in 2014. In the last funding round (Oct 2014?), they were valued $500M and got $50M in extra funding. 6 times their annual advertisement revenue...
News at 11, reddit is a company and needs to produce money to stay afloat. Do you know what happens when an overvalued company runs out of investors while still not operating in the black?
I would be there instead of here.
All of this is true, she sued her former employer claiming she was fired for being a woman.
Her emails revealed she was disruptive, a bully, insulted coworkers behind their backs, and kept a "grudge list".
Do you want someone working for you that keeps a "grudge list"?
Because I sure as hell don't.
I feel like there's something wrong with a community when people start having loyalty to the mods. A mod should be there mainly to filter spam, and to a lesser extent trolls. They aren't there to guide the conversation and gain loyalty.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Undead territory.
Therefore, by the (faulty) logic you're using, you're just a cow with a keyboard - osu-neko (2604)
Yeah, but you want to know the fastest way to run yourself out of investors AND drive yourself into the red? Hint: It included hare-brained monetization schemes and pissing off your users enough that you drive a large number of them off your service (or even just piss them off enough to jump ship once your next competitor starts to make a surge, with something as easily replicated as Reddit). Without users, internet companies are worthless. This is what I don't understand about a lot of monetization schemes out there. These companies go in and make huge changes that piss off their users, because they think the users are just the commodity to be sold. But if you drive them away, then you have no commodity TO sell anymore! Companies need to treat users as stakeholders in the monetization process if they want to make changes that will both allow them to make money, and build up a stable, loyal user base for them to make money off of.
A mod should be there mainly to filter spam, and to a lesser extent trolls.
Perhaps doing that well is how they gained loyalty.
Of course he posted it to SRD. Well, at least all the KIAers who were trying to call him out for being an asshole are now vindicated.
the policy changes were precisely what GG was asking for...
I mean... EXACTLY.
As to GG dying down... GG is the dog that gets kicked. It dies down when you stop kicking it. Kick the dog and see exactly how dead it is... And the reality is that it existed before it had a name.
the whole thing started because the media kicked the dog... and they didn't stop... they just kept doing it until the dog go really really pissed. And the dog bit the media... the media said "ouch"... and things have been more civil since. But the dog is still there. Try kicking it and see what happens.
As to Anita... she's actually floundering pretty hard. You're apparently not following that all. Her latest ploy at relevance was citing some japanesy cutey girl thing that she got in a swag bag when she went to E3 which she misrepresented as the E3 access pass. Even many of her supporters were saying "wtf" over that. And very recently she got upset about pregnant ladies in a Fallout mobile game not rushing to put out fires or attack bandits like the non-pregnant men/women. Because that's something pregnant women do right... well known for being fire fighters and soldiers. They just strap a little helmet on their distended bellies and go to war... right guys? Right?
Anyway... she's a fad. The gamers were there before her and will be there after no one even remembers her. Its like attacking action movies or something and expecting either hollywood to stop making them or the people that go to the movies to give even some absurd fraction of a shit what the harpies have to say on the issue.
You say some people take her seriously? Okay... but who takes those people seriously? Nothing times any number... equals nothing.
As to the FBI... so what? People make specious complaints and law enforcement checks it out. No convictions. ;)
As to restraining orders... you don't have to do anything to get a restraining order. You just ask for one.
In any case... you're apparently going to keep cruising up and down the Denial river... so believe what you like. There is a long list of developers that have come out as against your antagonistic attack on what was previously a pretty chill community of people that just wanted to be left alone and have a good time. We don't really need anyone else besides our developers and our developers don't need anyone else besides the players. if you don't play the games and don't make the games... you're irrelevant to us. You can't touch us. That applies to any fandom or market.
One of the reasons so many of you twits get so mad at the free market. YOUR developers keep making games... and no one buys them. Take the maker of Sunset. Big SJW blow hard... hates gamers and the gaming community. She even got Leigh Alexander to promote her game... you know, the women that said "gamers don't have to be your market"... and then was fired from her job... she had so many great quotes. I think the best one was "I am gaming. I can make you or break you." Followed by something about how the person she was arguing with should go make her a sandwich or something... So she lost her job and decided to make a gaming advertising and promotion firm.
And this person inline with your laughable faction hired the disgraced games journalist to promote the game. Sales were basically zero. And the developer raged and said she was leaving game development... she hates everyone... And now she's got a promotion on Patreon where you can pay her to to bitch about how the gaming market is bad. Why anyone would do that is a mystery to me but stranger things have happened.
Point is... there is winning... and there is Charley Sheen WIIIIIINNNNIIIIING.
All you're telling me is that you have tiger blood... you're like a warlock... you're saying I couldn't handle your brain because if I tried my head would explode. And other hilarious things Charley said before apologizing and going into rehab again.
Anywho... you're adorable... like a cross eyed kitten. Never change.
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Their operating expenses seem astronomically high for a site where the unpaid users create all the content. Kind of like an even more bloated wikipedia.
It's a shame we can't do something similar to get some changes made
Something similar is being done.
Long story short, reddit has been going down the same path as Dig 2.0 for awhile now. This is only accelerating its death, and all I can do is cheer.
From banning people simply for different political opinions, to the method it uses to ban (Shadowbanning has to be the most passive aggressive thing I have ever seen), if you go there for anything politically related it's become a hugbox/echochamber.
It's time for something new to take its place.
Pao, right in the kisser ;-)
This is why I prefer 4chans model.
You don't know who the mods are, and the mods only post as mods (or at least are supposed to) when carrying out mod duties.
Then again, reddit isn't focused around anonymity, so I guess it makes sense that they grow some kind of personality cult.
You forgot to log back in, Ratzo.
Different AC here, following GG quite closely from the beginning (and impossible not to on the forums I frequent). One question that has always nagged me - if this was about ethics in gaming journalism, why wasn't the *main* focus and target from the start the *male* tech journalist that did the alleged unethical journalism. Some people say it as a side note, that "yeah, we criticized him too", but no-one following this closely can honestly say he was the main target, not to speak of his gender.
What makes it less fun now than ~2-5 years ago?
The incredibly obvious paid submissions being passed off as user-submitted stories.
-B
Ash and Hickory, straight-grained and true, make excellent bludgeons, dandy for the cudgeling of vegetarians.
The policy updates were minor classifications of existing rules. The articles stopped when GanerGate died down.
They're too damn afraid to write another "gamers are dead" article. GG got exactly what they asked for - "stop fucking with gamers!" - so why should the movement do anything more. That, by the way, is the rational response - when you get what you asked for you shut the hell up.
If those gaming-media-industry-experts really think they've come out on top all they have to do is write another "gamers are dead" article. Hell, you still see it now - when the creationists come out of the woodwork with "SEXISM" you see plenty of response along the lines of "do you have any evidence?"
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
I may be posting this to late to get any visibility, but I have to try.
Voat is out of money. They took donations via Paypal until their account was suspended for unspecified reasons. They also suffered two massive DDOS attacks and has to pay out the wazoo to get on Cloudflair. Opponents of free speech play dirty.
Voat does not have ANY INCOME and servers can get expensive. The only way they can stay up is if a lot of people give them bitcoin. Their wallet is:
1C4Q1RvUb3bzk4aaLVgGccnSnaHYFdESzY
source: https://twitter.com/voatco/sta...
I hope those who value freedom of expression will take the Bitcoin plunge and donate.
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
GamerGate, it's about ethics in journalism. That's why it started with the defence of the most unethical journalist of the lot.
Oh, and the copy-pasta. Let's not forget that.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
I personally prefer Slashdot's style of moderation for most things. (Where its limited to -2 to +5, and you have taxonomy built in).
But that's not why it works. It works because you only get 5 or 15 mod points at a time, you have 3 days to use them or lose them, and you only get them when you get enough micro-points (I think they're called "tokens") from normal usage such as reading threads.
When EVERYONE can upboat and downboat EVERY post with no limit, that's when the groupthink and circle-jerks begin. Metamod helps too, but not as much as simply making mod points something that happens only once or twice a month for normal users.
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@Kunedog: An absolutely brilliant analysis of reddit, I would repost it on reddit only there's no point cause I'm shadowbanned :)
Or IRC
I don't know about being afraid. I mean, look at how spectacularly it backfired. Intel removed advertising, then realized their mistake and put it back, and on top of that partnered with Sarkeesian's Feminist Frequency and spent $300m on diversity. All the other advertisers, like Mercedes, changed their minds within days.
There was a lot of doxxing I suppose.
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community only exists to serve them...
I'm a solipsist. You exist to serve me!
Blockchain backed networks are working on distributed solutions for this.
It's only a matter of time.
The sooner people jump in the longer you will have to enjoy the new thing before it's endless September starts.
The Reddit administration is interested in one thing, and one thing only right now: Milking the site for as much money as possible, as quickly as possible, and fuck the users. Well, fuck them then, as a user. We'll see if they can make their sweet cash when no one wants to use their site anymore.
The irony that we're having this conversation on a site sharing a parent company with SourceForge does not escape me.
The faster that cess-pool of a circle-jerk self-congratulatory website goes away, the better off the web will be.
Dood you are being too harsh. I was trying to read some Elite Dangerous posts when shit came down. People there are pretty reasonable, polite and helpful. Reddit contains (contained?) full range of colors. You see only what you want to see.
I don't know about being afraid. I mean, look at how spectacularly it backfired. Intel removed advertising, then realized their mistake and put it back, and on top of that partnered with Sarkeesian's Feminist Frequency and spent $300m on diversity. All the other advertisers, like Mercedes, changed their minds within days.
Try weeks. Months, in the case of some (studios, apparently - they didn't want to alienate 90% of their purchasers). Lots of money was lost that was never made back. The media has since so spectacularly backed down from that "gamers are dead" message that none of them want to go near it again. They updated their policies, clarified their affiliate links, etc.
Looks to me and the rest of the world that GG's stated objectives were achieved. After all, that's what GG asked for. They got it. The media won't touch that message again. It doesn't matter how much was or wasn't spent on diversity, that wasn't GG's bone of contention. What GG complained about was fixed, hence there is no reason anymore for a GG movement to complain.
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
Write something in a low level, portable language. Someone on slashdot should know how to roll up Usenet, IRC, voting & a web front end into a single set of packages that anyone can host.
Running Freenet with the Frost messaging program (it works almost identical to Usenet), you can have that. It needs a lot more users. C'mon! It's all encrypted and anonymous and the linux board could really use some more participants.
your list is vastly incomplete.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GoldTesting/comments/3bypzz/amageddon_tracking/
what was down and when it went back up. /., hell it even made the tv news... lol
most of the million+ member subs were involved. it got noticed. it made cnn, bbc,
now if it will change anything... time will tell. i bet not.
I'll take Gamer Gate people seriously when they can bear to hear the name Sarkeesian without going bat shit crazy. It would be nice to talk about genders in gaming, in a sane manner without making the extreme views the most important part of the discussion.
[citation needed]
OH HAI
My first post since 2012. Left for Digg and now Reddit. Time to move on to something else. It's not Slashdot.
KTHXBYE
Pao is completely out of her depth.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
The mods have nothing to lose by fucking up you site if you mess with them. They can move to a new site tomorrow.
Maybe if being a mod was a payed job you could tell them what to do.
If being a mod was a paid job, most likely the mods would not be trusted much, just like the (paid) admins are not right now. The only way communities like Reddit work is when the users don't see the people in charge as having a profit motive which overrides all sense of ethics and decency. This is why open-source software is usually trusted so much more than commercial software to not have malware embedded and to respect its users (with some exceptions of course, but these, like Gnome3, usually stem from philosophical disagreements, not suspicion that someone is screwing the users over for profit). No one but a fool trusts Adobe or various other commercial software providers to not include bloated spyware in their software to somehow make money on users (after charging them first for the product itself), but not many people distrust GIMP and think it's doing the same. They may disagree on some technical aspects of the software and its UI, but because software like this is made by a community of mostly volunteers and not a single for-profit corporation, it has a level of trust which commercial providers simply will never earn.
For a more relevant example, just look at this site: we even have a word for many "stories" posted here: "Slashvertisements". No one really trusts the leadership here any more, because it's obviously been hijacked by for-profit corporate interests, namely Dice Inc. Reddit appears to be going the same direction.
The main target seems to have been GameJournosPro and Leigh Alexander who wrote the basis of what was the "Gamers don't have to be your audience anymore" piece, which came as an answer to gamers asking why journalists were not covering TFYC incident, after it came out that the person responsible for that had had positive coverage by a journalist whom she was in a relationship with.
The banning and deletion of discussion on these issues really didn't help.
http://deepfreeze.it/ seems very journalist focused too.
"Not to mention all the idiots who use words like boxen."
Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
It takes two to tango. And her personal life "drama" was made very public, his wasn't.
Plus, if the story genders were reversed we'd still talk about it.
Yeah, good luck with that. Let's come back in a couple of weeks time and see how different reddit it. My money is on - no different in any way whatsoever. And all the whiners will still be there. Users, eh? Never happy.
> Agree, but they should have had a much better response prepared
No, doesn't matter what "the response" is. They're firing someone, effective immediately. You don't worry about what the users think.
"It's like if you suddenly fire the company rep that your main customer has been dealing with exclusively for years. You don't just call them up and say "hey, Joe's no longer with us, we'll get back to you in a bit about his replacement.""
It's like that except the "main customer" doesn't give you any money, but acts like they're shareholder or they're on the board or something. Like a kid in his dad's suit, greased back hair. "I'm not happy with this situation! Why wasn't I told earlier". You can imagine the people who run reddit watching the drama and thinking "who the fuck do these entitled cretins think they are? Uh..yeah, put out a statement, say "we're sorry, we...uh...yeah, could have handled it better. Sounds like we're sorry but really we don't give a fuck and would do the same thing next time".
We don't know what "Joe" did. Assuming it was something terrible enough to get him frogmarched out of the building, you're just unhappy with the string of characters submitted to the customer to explain that he's no longer around? That's the beef?
I am hearing that several subreddits that went private were forcibly reopened by the admins, and the mods were unable to do anything about it after. I don't have sources, but if it's discovered that it true, that would be the final nail in the coffin for me. The Reddit administration is interested in one thing, and one thing only right now: Milking the site for as much money as possible, as quickly as possible, and fuck the users. Well, fuck them then, as a user. We'll see if they can make their sweet cash when no one wants to use their site anymore.
Dice probably deserves some credit for not being *that* bad, despite all the complaining.
Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
...or if you won't toe the company line when it's dramatically changed.
If you're looking for the slashdot of old, it's gone. Notice the lack of "News for nerds" it's history.
Slashdice is ok, but they keep doing dumb shit and regularly mess up the layout.
Sweet, thanks. I added this to my userContent.css file in my Pale Moon profile. Works great. Now if we could just come up with a grease monkey script to add the read more link back in.
very long time lurker here.
IMHO: the front page is more and more littered with baloney the we just don't care about. Signal to noise ratio in the comments gone to shit.
Oh. Do you work for Dice?
Here's a tip: use the shift key and period key when you comment.
The users are eyeballs for the advertising. If enough of them leave, reddit will die. Digg is a tired but apt example of exactly where reddit is heading.
Is this specific incident gonna kill reddit.. of course not, but the "it's our site, we do what we want" attitude over time will. Reddit doesn't produce content, it provides and environment for others to produce content, and benefits from their presence via ad views. If those users stop liking the environment, they'll pick up and move elsewhere, and without a user base, reddit is done.
A cesspool, a sewer.
Yeah, except for that time Yishan slandered a former employee in an AMA.
I'm not a reddit user and wonder how all these mods are locking up pages? Presumably the mods aren't employees, so the employees can just remove mod privileges from the problem mods and unlock all those pages. If the mods are employees, then fire them.
Do you know what happens when an overvalued company runs out of investors while still not operating in the black?
Do you know what happens when any company that is built around a community fucks said community?
Heck Slashdot changed the interface a bit and got forked. Instant new competitor. Even when operating in the red shooting the cash cow to sell it for meat is not the smartest option.
Which defense of which unethical journalist did GG start with? Because to my recollection it didn't start with the defense of any journalist. It started the an attack on several journalists that were seen to be engaged in inappropriate relationships with developers and publishers.
Look... apparently you're not aware of this so I'm going to clue you in here... you're sounding EXTREMELY butt hurt here. Contrary to your belief that you are sounding like you won or you're sounding superior.
You're instead sounding like a sore loser.
Take the loss... move on. A bunch of political asshats came into an established community of people that LIKE to play games, are internet savy, are immune to identity politics because they're anonymous... and they thought they could beat the entire community into submission by making a lot of specious bigotry claims at anyone and everyone that didn't agree with them.
They also made the bone head move of attacking capitalism in a 75 billion dollar a year industry. They thought publishers and developes would side with people that don't buy their games against the people that do.
The game devs and publishers have tried to be patient with you people. The ESRB gave you little subtle hints that you totally missed like when they released the stats on how much positive reviews on gaming sites effects sales... about 5 percent fyi. Which means the entire games journalism complex is disposible. The industry could flush it... stop issuing press passes... etc... and it wouldn't actually change anything.
And it gets better because what they're actually doing is they're giving fewer to ZERO press passes to the people that attack their customers... which is what WE are.. CUSTOMERS. And they're giving more press passes to people that seem to genuinely like the medium and the community.
Your entire faction basically just won the Darwin awards on this issue. And you're too fucking stupid to realize it.
We won. It was no close. It was not gentle... You got raped. --- Note the politically incorrect terminology.... and how little anyone actually cares.
So by all means... show me and anyone else how badly you're emotionally dealing with your loss. The denial makes me giggle.
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It was.
The opposition shifts the argument. So you'll talk about ethics in journalism, you'll cite an inappropriate relationship between a journalist and a developer... the developer was female... and the opposition will make everything about discrimination against women. It has nothing to do with that.
It doesn't matter what you say or how you say it or what evidence you use... they will only talk about those women and online harassment etc. You can't have any other discussion with them.
Part of your problem is that you're reading media sources that are allied with anti GG. They're only going to tell their side of the issue.
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GamerGate started with the attacks on Quinn, which were all based on the extremely unethical blog post by Gjoni, a journalist. You know, they guy who now has a retraining order against him for harassing her.
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No they didn't.
They started with an accusation against Nathan Grayson of Kotaku. No one cares about Quinn.
Your position makes as much sense as saying that the people that brought up the Monica Lewinsky blow job semen stained dress thing were really just interested in harassing Quinn.
NO ONE CARES ABOUT QUINN.
She's evidence. She's exhibit fucking A. The guy on TRIAL is Nathan Grayson... who unless he's gone transfemale... is still a dude.
The only people that care about quinn... are people like you that are so easily manipulated by progress media ass covering that when the press freaked out because people were finally getting pissed enough to clean house... they basically tricked you idiots to be their cat's paws against what was and still is a legitimate consumer revolt about press ethics.
You say we care about Quinn... but who keeps bringing her up? Oh that's right... YOU do. Now if "we" cared... then we'd bring her up... wouldn't we?
No no... Answer that question. Would WE be the ones to bring Quinn up if that was what we cared about?
But you see... we don't bring her up because we don't care about her. She's EVIDENCE. We cite her only as contextually relevant to point out that Nathan Grayson was having sex with someone he had promoted. And yes he did. He did not promote her FREE game. That is true. He did however promote her PAID game jam event which she was taking a cut of the money from for "management" costs.
So sure... Nathan didn't help her promote the thing she was doing that could never make any money. Literally 5 billion people could have played depression quest and it would have made Quinn ZERO dollars. Nothing. The game is FREE.
And that then feeds into what happened with the Fine Young Capitalists out of Canada that were black balled by people like Grayson basically because Quinn told him to do it. They were labeled Transphobic because they wanted to do a gaming event for women where women could suggest ideas and the TFYC would fund the project. It was an effort to help women get into gaming. And Zoe torpedoed it with the help of Grayson and some other people she was way too close to because it competed directly with her Game Jam event.
And from there we get into the Games Journos Pro's list which EVEN a complete brainwashed tool like yourself should realize is a problem. The journalists in the mainstream were caught recently with the similarly named "Journos Pros" list and they had to shut that down because the commentary going around in the chat made them all look like corrupt assholes. games journos pros was the same thing all over again.
And from there we start investigating a widening network of impropriety on a large number of issues and people you're likely not aware of because YOU never got past the Quinnspiracy.
The sad thing is that you know almost nothing. You know what you were told to believe and your entire ideology has conditioned you to be a good little robot. You're told what is "truth" you accept that... add it to your dogma... and that's that.
You don't even have opinions. You have programming.
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I see, so this is the latest revision huh? It's not about Quinn, all that harassment and rage was, er, some other guys or something... The people on the /gg and /GamerGate forums, the ones in the IRC channel talking about harassing her, that wasn't GanerGate. Okay.
And it wasn't there original claim that Depression Quest was promoted, that turned out to be a lie so now it's her game jam. Have a link for that? Didn't think so, like the Depression Quest review it doesn't exist.
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No... this is the original version. The version you fuckwits have been ignoring from the start.
You really think we gave a shit about some woman having sex with 5 guys? This you think is news on the internet?
Would you like me to post a video for you of a group of guys running a train on a porn star? Because... your position is FUCKING STUPID.
Why do you think anyone would care if some woman had sex with 5 guys?
NO ONE CARES.
The issue was not that she had sex with five guys but WHO those five guys were and what they did for her in return.
They were journalists and media people etc and there is evidence in some of their cases and strong indications in the others that she got something for the sex. Influence... promotion... etc.
No one cares that she had sex with 5 guys. That's no the issue. That has never been the issue.
Her boyfriend obviously cared. But some dude getting cheated by his girlfriend is not news on the internet. No one cares that he got cheated on or that she slept around.
Irrelevant. Zero interest.
What matters is WHO she had sex with. THAT is the issue and that has ALWAYS been the issue.
From the start. Always. No revisions.
Your misunderstanding and bafflment to that fact is due to you being a creduliious fucktwit that gullibly listens to fucking anything he's told so long as they are from your political tribe. And then you just mindlessly believe whatever it is they tell you.
Not only do I know that about you... but even many people on the left are starting to be creeped out by people like you. A day doesn't go by where I don't see a life long leftist stand up and ask where all the fucking zombies came from. It's really pretty funny watching it all.
And what is especially funny is that this issue is causing a lot of your own political allies to wake up to it. They're not changing their politics. They're leftists and they're going to stay leftists. But they are starting to separate from "progressives" who are seen as something "else".
People like you are increasingly being referred to as the "authoritarian left".
The civil war in your own ranks has already started.
Say whatever you like... put out as much bravado as you can manage. It means nothing to me. I'm not ignorant of the issues and I'm not impressed by your ignorance of how horribly you've lost this issue or attempts to gaslight the issue.
You wanted to talk about GG... I responded.
This is what GG means at this point "Good Game"... something you'll hear gamers say when the game is over.
You lost. Accept it and move on... or don't. It doesn't really matter.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
Yet, even so, Slashdot is (in)famous for it's groupthink.
Out of interest, how much time have you wasted posting long replies that I don't read? Notice how I respond to the first line and ignore the rest.
Too easy.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Proxomitron is being developed again?!?
Proxomitron is being developed again?!?
Nope, but it still works on Win7.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Freenode IRC used to be a place where coders could thrive until Reddit consumed it. The Reddit voting systems kills the polymorphic. A behavior killed carried out on Reddit and Freenode by the Admins and Mods of Reddit.
Funnily enough there was an r/ELI5 question (Explain Like I'm 5) about the downfall of Digg literally just over 24 hours ago. I don't think Reddit is anything like Digg when it changed. Not yet anyway.
As I'm literate I can bang out a response very quickly. More to the point though, you were utterly and manifestly refuted. The fact that you can't bring yourself to even look at the wreckage of your own credibility only validates my sense of superiority.
FYI... don't look... its terminal. ;)
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wow.. if you have been following GG from the start, it takes some mental gymnastics to shift this onto "the opposition". You are claiming that none of the GG people made any female centric criticism first? They where all focused on the male perpetrator of unethical game journalism until the opposition made it into a female issue? Really?
wow indeed.
So you expect a random collection of people on the internet to NOT make off color remarks?
take ANY issue that gets politically heated... then cherry pick the responses for the most hateful comments... and then represent ALL the comments and the ENTIRE group as JUST those hateful comments.
Do that.
Pick ANY issue that is controversial then pick either side... then do that.
Boom... that side is a hate group.
That's what you just did there. And you say "I" need mental gymnastics?
the whole "GG is a hate group" thing was only made possible because the people that were sold that line of bull were mostly people that were not internet savvy... that and credulous dupes. People that either don't understand that the internet just HAS those sorts of comments in any heated discussion or people predisposed to believe the worst.
And keep in mind a lot of the hateful comments are coming out of fucking 12 year olds. And in some cases they were also false flags. Lets not pretend there were not sock puppets a plenty.
Regardless... to conflate the most hateful comments with either the majority of comments or the central message is somewhere between naive and dishonest. Flip a coin.
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Then I have misunderstood a lot of GG posts on a lot of forums.
No, I'm not going to let you strawman me by allowing you to define my argument.
I am very clearly saying that the thesis of the whole thing was ethics in journalism. Were there rude comments made in and around that? Yes... but also from BOTH sides. Do you honestly think there were no abusive comments coming from anti GG? Don't be naive. Both sides engaged in it.
By your logic that makes anti GG a hate group as well apparently.
It is a leaderless hash tag consumer revolt. There's no way to control who joins or who speaks for it. ANYONE can use the hashtag. So yeah... you get heated and someone is going to say something nasty.
And BOTH sides did that.
Does that mean anything else anyone might have said that wasn't a mean remark is therefore void?
Obviously fucking not.
BUT that is PRECISELY your argument. And it is unsupportable if you actually have either any understanding of how the conversations work on the internet or have any interest in being intellectually honest.
If you grasp NEITHER... then you can legitimately claim to not understand through ignorance.
A fair number of the anti GG people know how the internet works. So they can't make that claim. And anyone with an open mind that wants to just get to the bottom of an issue even if they don't understand the internet will wade through the crap to find out what is really going on.
You want to claim this is all about harassment of women? Why? Because some woman had sex with five guys?
Why was she singled out? That's not unusual. We have hundreds of people that we could target for having sex with five guys. Some have had sex with a lot more than five guys... some have had sex with hundreds of guys. I could show you one of those japanese porn things where 20 guys cum on a girl's face? Where is the outrage at her?
Clearly having sex with a bunch of guys doesn't cause rage.
Okay... so maybe it is the cheating that triggered the hate? Except we have whole websites dedicated to posting stuff about how your ex cheated on you. Do you want me to post some of that? No rage there either.
So neither the cheating nor the sex caused the outrage.
What's left? Clearly it must be just because she's a woman? Well, they make up about half the population... why are these women being singled out?
BECAUSE THEY"RE GAME DEVS!!... well... we have lots of game devs that are women and they don't get harassment. There was that whole thing about Bayonetta... made by a woman. No rage at her. The creator of the king's quest series which was popular way back when... no hatred for her.
So what is left? Why do you think these women got negative reactions?
I'll tell you why... because they called anyone that said boo to them "bigots". That's what misogynist translates into... bigot. And if you call someone a bigot just for using them as evidence against a corrupt journalist... well, you're going to get people pissed off. And some of those people are going to say mean things to you that are going to hurt your fee fees.
You want to believe this is about harassment of women? There's no way to believe that. Its logically unsupportable. Its not a valid opinion. You can't even legitimately believe that. It makes no logical sense.
But I can't stop you from believing irrational things. So go ahead. Worship your religion if that makes you feel better. But don't expect anyone else to take your beliefs seriously... and your faction lost this struggle... HARD. Continue to bitch... it just makes you look sadder.
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... what you think it means.
Even a *considered* opinion is subjective. The word you are looking for is "conclusion". It implies the act of drawing upon multiple sources, synthesizing an opinion, testing that opinion, revising as necessary until theory aligns with reality to the best of the proponents ability. Often it will include some disclaimer that indicates possible flaws in the analysis, and an invitation for further research.
THAT is objective, or at least as objective as someone with a single perspective can get. It does not assume privileged position, nor does it expect obeisance.
...only validates my sense of superiority.
Don't you realize that this sort of self-aggrandizing bullshit just makes you look like a stupid, immature, fuckstick with no self esteem?
Since you post shit like this so frequently, I guess you don't.
Here is a better question. How low would my self esteem have to be if I cared what YOU thought about me?
Seriously. Think about that. How pathetic would I have to be if I worried what some random AC on Slashdot felt about something I posted? :-D
I don't care what you think. I don't value you opinion enough or am insecure enough in my sense of self to give any fraction of a shit what you think about anything.
You don't like me? I don't care about you enough to even dislike you. You mean too little to me for me to bother even forming an opinion of you. Do you think your opinion of me is more valuable than my opinion of you? You're nothing to me. You're the dust in the wind of my internet experience. And you better believe I'm popping around in a full body hazmat suit around this shitshow. All you do is cause me to change out the cartridges in my gas mask in this post apocalyptic wasteland that is the internet.
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And I couldn't be happier about it. They are standing up and telling Reddit Administration they reject their authoritarianism. The admins just keep crying the eternal cry of the oppressor, "It's for your own good." But no, Pao. I'm more qualified to know what's best for me, and as a well-adjusted adult, I do not need a nanny.
I think it's time a new site came to take the place of reddit. We're due.
Humans are infamous for their groupthink in general. The Slashdot variety is actually pretty mild, if you have any baseline for comparison.
The telling thing is that people complain from all sides of various issues. For example, if you ask a libertarian, they'll tell you that Slashdot groupthink is liberal leaning socialist. If you ask a liberal, it's libertarian. But truth is, you see +5-modded comments from practically any perspective. About the only way to be consistently downmodded here without being a troll (or sufficiently troll-like in behavior, even if not deliberate, to make no difference) is to be a hardline creationist.
And... how many Victorias Taylor did they have? They run out of ALL of them? I think I managed to identify ONE Victoria Taylor as probably my missing daughter, several years ago. Victoria because of the Queen, Taylor because the mother would be relative of those Taylor, you know, the mathematicians. I go to google and find several pictures not fully coincidental! Total mess, eh? So, overall, how many women do you plan to sacrifice so that Africans et alter can stop *hearing* voices and can start *hearing* _their_ voices? Imagine if NASA had as policy to commit ONLY one error every time, only ONE...
Gjoni isn't a journalist!
While you *can* see +5 comments from practically any perspective, they aren't in any way evenly distributed along the political spectrum - the vast majority are some flavor liberal/left. Conservative viewpoints are dramatically underrepresented in general and more likely to be downmodded or not upmodded even without being in the batshit crazy demographic.
But there are more axes than the purely political - Slashdot groupthink tends somewhat towards the highly racist and heavily to the highly sexist/misogynist (which is curious given the overall leftist/liberal bent of the site). On factual matters, upmodded comments are far more likely to be those which match what is commonly believed - regardless of the veracity of what is commonly believed.
Digg was worth $160 million once. Sold for $500,000.
It wasn't "worth" $160 million at all. Unless you think facebook is "worth" $400 billion or whatever it's at now.
A business with a billion customers is not necessarily worth anything at all if it can't generate any profit from them.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
While you *can* see +5 comments from practically any perspective, they aren't in any way evenly distributed along the political spectrum - the vast majority are some flavor liberal/left. Conservative viewpoints are dramatically underrepresented in general
No. The majority political opinion here is of the fiscally conservative/socially liberal "libertarian" persuasion, i.e. people who don't want to pay tax but do want to take drugs. Outside the US, this would be called right wing.
Slashdot groupthink tends somewhat towards the highly racist and heavily to the highly sexist/misogynist (which is curious given the overall leftist/liberal bent of the site)
Yes, it's almost like there are right wingers posting that stuff after all.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
You got raped. --- Note the politically incorrect terminology....
Jesus hairy-arsed Christ on a penny farthing, are you thirteen?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
You don't like me? I don't care about you enough to even dislike you. You mean too little to me for me to bother even forming an opinion of you. Do you think your opinion of me is more valuable than my opinion of you? You're nothing to me. You're the dust in the wind of my internet experience. And you better believe I'm popping around in a full body hazmat suit around this shitshow. All you do is cause me to change out the cartridges in my gas mask in this post apocalyptic wasteland that is the internet.
Wow, are you the guy who wrote the original "Navy Seal with over 300 confirmed kills" copypasta?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
What's worse is seeing your submission with an actual wrote-out summary, etc in the rejection pile, but see the exact same story get posted hours (and sometimes days) later and it's nothing but a copy-paste of the PR blurb found on one of the sites linked, including all of their spelling mistakes.
@Mindless Drivel: 100% of Twitter posts ever Tweeted.
Reddit is rather stupid in that it counts mobile devices as unique visitors every time they swap network ids, such as when they move from wifi to cell, or from cell tower to cell tower. Even if you are using a verified/registered account, say you swap from your home wifi network to your cell provider, to the wifi network at the coffee shop down the block - you've now just been counted three times as a unique visitor.
@Mindless Drivel: 100% of Twitter posts ever Tweeted.
Interesting... For most websites, there's considerable gap between registered users and active users, and this just makes the gap appear to be worse for Reddit.
... Slashdot groupthink tends somewhat towards the highly racist and heavily to the highly sexist/misogynist (which is curious given the overall leftist/liberal bent of the site)
Yes, it's almost like there are right wingers posting that stuff after all.
Note that left-wing people who want to "take care of the poor", are often more racist than the conservatives. They just don't all realize it.
After all, before the U.S. Civil war, the slave owners were Democrats! 8-}
Here's a tip: use the shift key and period key when you comment.
At least they used all lower case, instead of all Upper Case!!! 8-)
Obviously not... did you have any intelligent to say or only more embarrassingly stupid comments that do little more than stroke my ego by proving I'm better than one more meat sack?
Your navy seals comment was actually pretty revealing... you think I'm mad?
Bro... I just got done telling... I don't CARE about you enough to have an opinion. There's nothing you're saying that could even begin to evoke any emotion stronger than maybe frustration at your stupidity or disgust at your existence. But that's about it.
*kiss kiss*
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they aren't in any way evenly distributed along the political spectrum - the vast majority are some flavor liberal/left. Conservative viewpoints are dramatically underrepresented in general and more likely to be downmodded or not upmodded even without being in the batshit crazy demographic.
Anyway, you do have some point, but the reasons for these are objective. Simply put, conservative viewpoints tend to be more batshit crazy in general, and even if they're not, they're still wrong more often ("reality has a well-known liberal bias" and all that). Nevertheless, if you have a valid point, and if you can coherently articulate it, you will usually get upmodded even if it goes counter to the groupthink. It's just that some points are much harder to intelligently argue in favor of than the others.
There is a certain degree of inequality when it comes to the bar for getting upmodded. If you run with the groupthink, you can get easy upmods with just a single emotional statement with some invectives thrown in. If you're arguing against it, you have to be really persuasive. So if you look at all posts, there is a clear slant. But if you look at posts that actually contribute to the discussion, it's much more balanced.
Have a look at this old post of mine. It's about as anti-groupthink on Slashdot as you can get (note that this is back in 2009). And yet it doesn't have a single downmod, and one informative upmod. Why? Because I cited my sources and refrained from unsubstantiated attacks.
PAID, faggot!
Of course a company should try to be profitable, but it's the job of the CEO and the board to make sure your business plan is reasonable and fits with the money you're raising. Many companies in Silicon Valley choke on oversized valuations and unreasonable expectations.
Reddit had revenues of $8.3M. That's not insignificant. Their initial fundraising round was $100k, they'd been bought out by a big company for $20M, and then spun back out with a target value of $240M. It's not like they had old investors calling them at midnight to complain, they were well set up to get off the startup (constant growth) treadmill and simply run the company.
Instead, they decided to raise money. Traditional online advertising efforts weren't effective for them, and they wanted to try some new expensive approaches. That's a decision by the board to more aggressively monetize the community rather than trim operating costs. It's a lot less expensive to run a company in Las Vegas, Austin, Seattle, Boston... evidently it was more important to stay in San Francisco.
They agree to take money on a $500M valuation. Ugh. If you're the CEO, that's just asking for an ulcer. After raising the money, the CEO tries to move the office to a city 10 miles south, in part for his own sanity, and the board shoots him down. Evidently, it is really important that Reddit officially be in the city of San Francisco. After that combination of extreme pressure to succeed and thorough emasculation, he quits.
Now, this would be reasonable if the board was simply setting the company up for their hand-picked Series B CEO, but the board has been unable to get a replacement in over 6 months, relying on a controversial "interim" CEO. (Why the "interim" title at all? At least pretend you like her.) What a mess. If Pao can turn this around, it will be a miracle, even if that means selling out to "shills and ideologues." It didn't have to be this way.
The lessons here are that sometimes cutting cost is a better thing than raising funds, and that just because an investor offers you money doesn't mean you have to take it.