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Company Testing Standardized Salaries Is Struggling
jmcbain writes: In April 2015, Dan Price, the CEO of online payments company Gravity Payments based in Seattle, announced that all employees would have their salary bumped up to a minimum $70,000. Slashdot covered this news. Since that time, however, things have not gone well. Some employees quit because they felt it was unfair to double the pay of some new hires while the longest-serving staff members got small or no raises. Furthermore, after reducing his own salary from $1M to $70K, Mr. Price is now renting a house 'to make ends meet'. On an unrelated note, Mr. Price's brother, who is a co-founder of the company, is suing him.
Imagine that.
Differences in pay exist for a reason: Because different people perform functions of different value to the company.
Wait, so great employees don't like making the same as their mediocre colleagues?! Get the #*@! out of here!
Most linux users don't know this, but the man pages were named after Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris fsck'ing hates noobs!
This sounds like something out of an Ayn Rand novel. It's very similar to something that happens in Atlas Shrugged.
Same thing happened at walmart when they bumped their lowest paid workers up to the minimum wage.
http://business.financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/wal-marts-pay-raise-creates-thousands-of-unhappy-workers-its-pitting-people-against-each-other
Senior workers got no raise and feel disrespected.
None of them can see the clouds; The polished wings don't care.
It's kind of weird the way this was implemented but I like the notion.
I think that if you are willing to work, you should be able to support yourself comfortably. I am not sure that absolutely equal pay for everyone is exactly right although I do think that people who quit over having someone else make as much as them is pretty petty and entitled.
I would personally not care one bit if a fast food worker got paid as much as me or more.... good for them, I wouldn't want to do that job so why would I complain?
My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
I've seen minimum wage go up by 40% since I entered the work force, but my own salary has only gone up by 25% in that same period.
You know that the minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation in over two decades, right? So if your wages are doing even more poorly than the minimum wage, you're getting fucked and hard. But you're complaining about the people who are getting fucked way harder than you, because them getting fucked slightly less hard means you get fucked slightly harder. What about the people doing the fucking? Maybe you should stop attacking your natural allies.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
whenever CEO pay comes up on this site, people bitch about how much more the CEO makes vs rank and file. Okay, valid complaint.
Here a CEO bucks that trend, nukes his own salary and gives everyone a *minimum* 70k salary -- which is different from everyone getting 70k. He not only does a commendable thing: paying employees more than necessary; but walks the walk and takes a massive paycut himself.
The real story here is the crab-pot mentality. If I'm making 100k, and my cubicle neighbor goes from 35k to 70k, that doesn't have any impact on me whatsoever*. Why complain?
*small scale, intra-company comparison here, yes I know if the minimum wage was suddenly 70k, that's a different beast.
But you don't understand! it's absolutely unfair that Timmy had 3 marbles and got 3 more, and he had 10 marbles and only got 2 more! ITS NOT FAIR!!1! He demands at least 4 marbles or he's going to flip his shit and go full on ballistic temper tantrum followed by pouting for the rest of the afternoon!
Having run a company, I can get this...it's a refreshing and seemingly decent approach to sharing the wealth.
Great contrast to all the money-grabbing, "screw the employee" bosses that are in the news all the time.
Maybe where he went wrong is not allowing an "upside".
Sure, not everybody who *thinks* they deserve extra really do.
But in my experience some sure as hell do...the trick is to identify them and give them fair value.
(My top staff regularly got 20% over market rates - they earned me far more, so I was happy to pay.)
Snip: "You can ignore economics, but economics won’t ignore you.
That’s the tough lesson Dan Price, CEO of Gravity Payments, a Seattle credit-card processing company, is learning.
Four months ago, Price announced he’d slash his own multimillion-dollar pay and set a company-wide $70,000 minimum wage.
He got the idea after a friend explained her difficulty paying back student loans and surviving on $40,000 a year — a salary many Gravity employees were making.
Price’s stand against income inequality made him an immediate darling of the left.
But key employees saw it differently.
Financial manager Maisey McMaster liked the idea at first — until she thought about it.
“He gave raises to people who have the least skills and are least equipped to do the job,” she told The New York Times. Meanwhile, “The ones who were taking on the most didn’t get much of a bump.”
She thought it would be fairer to give smaller raises, with the clear chance to earn more with experience. Price brushed off her doubts; she quit.
Also out the door: Web developer Grant Moran. He says, “Now the people who were just clocking in and out were making the same as me.” Plus, having your pay level a very public matter is a problem, with “friends now calling you for a loan.”
Moral of the story: Some people work harder than others; some have stronger skills — and they don’t think it’s fair that they’re paid the same as others.
Price will soon be left only with workers worth his chosen minimum wage — or less.
The company is already in chaos thanks to the policy — but the big problem is ahead, as it tries to keep growing and innovating with only mediocre talent"
With the only problem that things ain't the way they were. What was supposedly a temporary job to make ends meet while you study for your "real" job more and more becomes the real job for many people.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Emphasis mine. The NIR Act established the first minimum wage in America (this was struck down in 1935, ruled unconstitutional by the SC, but a subsequent Act establishing a minimum wage was upheld by the SC in 1941, under that magical Commerce Clause.)
Granted, he doesn't say the family size that decent living would support, but lacking statements to the contrary I assume at least a three-person household. But a temp wage? No, that does not appear to be the intention of it. Big business and our government has twisted and contorted it over the decades to be just a minimum wage paid to people... but if it can't cover life's basics, then what is the point of it at all?
Steve Jobs had two main feelings/opinions;
1. Steve Jobs always has the right answer.
2. Apple employees and customers exist for the sole purpose of making Steve Jobs lots of cash.
The 'trouble' this article talks about is some drama amongst the workers, part of that fueled by the public spectacle of what happened. A critical ingredient of what's missing from this story are the answers to questions like: "Did the increase in pay cause profit margins at the company to drop?" and "... by how much?"
All this article really says is extreme actions have consequences.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
Those who can contribute significant, above-and-beyond value naturally feel that people should be rewarded in proportion to their contributions.
Those who cannot contribute significant, above-and-beyond value naturally feel that everyone should receive equal rewards, regardless of their contributions.
By setting policies that pander to the second group, you wind up losing members of the first group, resulting in a company full of under-performing slackers. No surprise such a company doesn't do well.
more bullshit.
they don't unionize because they've been brainwashed by the 'extreme right' that soshalizm is baaaad! jesus would cry if we went socialist, even a little bit.
they are afraid of losing their jobs and big corp USA keeps putting fear into union folks by the same old tactics they used about 100 years ago. same shit, different day.
the workers are not smarter or dumber; they are manipulated and scared into working against their own best interests.
ie, the republicans continue to fuck us all. unions, baaaad! soshalizm, baaaad! more money for ceo's, goooood!
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"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
Hmm. I'm not sold, as that's an opinion piece that links to an opinion piece as the source, and it smells like someone trying to fight the $15/hr idea by linking it to racism.
Buuuut a lot of things around that time had links to racism (and not just black people), so it wouldn't surprise me if it's true. Even if it were, it's irrelevant to the push for a higher min wage being good or bad.
The minimum wage was rooted in racism. The argument was something like that blacks were so inferior that they were willing to live in squalor, and that whites needed to be protected from that.
What an even-more-racist-than-reality interpretation you've found yourself there. The argument was that Blacks had been fucked over so badly that squalor was an upgrade for many of them, and that whites needed to be protected from the influx of cheap labor that would result in permitting them to work for any amount of money. And you can see the same situation today with our open border (despite "efforts") with Mexico; we shit on Mexico, and then Mexicans come up here to get a piece of the better life that we've built partially on exploiting their country. Of course, there's less of them doing that now than there have been at other times, because there's less prosperity here than there has been at other times, but it's still a thing. Virtually all of the restaurant jobs that used to go to young white men are now going to Mexicans who are older than they are and have more life (and cooking) experience, for example. That used to be a great source of pitiful amounts of money for people who didn't know anything but flipping burgers.
The minimum wage was originally intended to be a living wage, because creating conditions where people are willing to work for less than that is just a form of slavery. Perhaps we could call it "Monetary Fractional Slavery".
To avoid it being slavery, you have to avoid it being mandatory. This is why I favor a MGI which would cover the basic costs of living. Of course, one commie plot just leads to the next; if the government is managing these costs then it's going to look for ways to reduce these costs, which usually means nationalizing the utilities. And we can't have the requirements for life provided at-cost, that'd be Un-'merican! Except, of course, there are actually many municipal utilities throughout the USA, even in the most conservative of bastions, and most of them are quite efficient and functional. People don't even know what they're railing against.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
This has everything to do with socialism/communism.
First, he makes way less, same as the lowest paid worker.
Second, he screws over the valuable employees with low or no pay raises.
Isn't this the hallmark of socialism where everyone gets the same benefits regardless of contribution?
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/31...
There were no communists involved in the cold war. Communism puts the means of production in the hands of the commune. USSR stood for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics -- not communist. The USSR was a case of state socialism, where the state represents society and owns the means of production. True communism puts ownership and decision-making powers at a local level, which was only ever tried for a brief spell in Spain before the fascist coup overthrew the democratically elected anarchists and communists.
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