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Many Australians Forced To Pay For "Unbreakable" Cryptolocker Ransomware

An anonymous reader writes: Australians are paying thousands of dollars to overseas hackers to rid their computers of an unbreakable virus [Cryptolocker]. The deputy chairwoman of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, Delia Rickard, said over the past two months there had been a spike in the number of people falling victim to the scam. The commission has received 2,500 complaints this year and estimates about $400,000 has been paid to the hackers. Bad news for Australians: this is just one of many targetting the country.

148 comments

  1. Re: Silly bogans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Silly you. You only watch the doors where you expect the burglar comes in.

    Serious, stop assuming it's weird e-mails are the only way to make victims.

  2. Re: Silly bogans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    silly you. you're an ignorant hypocrite.

  3. Every customer of mine by dwywit · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Gets Cryptolocker installed. Via Group Policy, it prevents, among other things, anything being executed from the user's temp directory/ies - which is where email attachments are placed for whatever operation they require - picture preview, etc. It's not a guarantee, but it presents a big obstacle to any attacker attempting to fool a user into executing their code simply by opening an email.

    Not affiliated, just a happy user.

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    1. Re:Every customer of mine by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It can still get on via angler malware kit. The type from yahoo.

      It is run only from ram making it impossible to block or detect.

    2. Re:Every customer of mine by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Every customer of yours gets Cryptolocker installed? You must not have a lot of repeat customers!

      I'm guessing you meant to type something other than "Cryptolocker" there?

      I'm sort of curious how this ransomware is being executed by clicking on a single link in an e-mail, as is implied in the stories. Surely this can't be done without an exploit in a modern browser and OS, right?

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    3. Re:Every customer of mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Via Group Policy, it prevents, among other things, anything being executed from the user's temp directory/ies

      Out of curiosity, I can create the entries, but on a 7 Pro installation, how to I export them in a format that will save me all the damn typing on the next machine I have to deal with? (Situation: About 10 machines for friends/family, so Enterprise is sadly not an option.)

    4. Re:Every customer of mine by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      I assume that it's Bitlocker, not Cryptolocker.

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    5. Re:Every customer of mine by dwywit · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oh, bloody hell.

      Cryptoprevent from FoolishIT

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    6. Re:Every customer of mine by dwywit · · Score: 2
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    7. Re:Every customer of mine by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Which blows my mind that windows allows to begin with.

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    8. Re:Every customer of mine by dbIII · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm sort of curious how this ransomware is being executed by clicking on a single link in an e-mail

      How?
      "Outlook not so good."
      Actually it's the combination of MS Outlook and IE that have such a "feature" for convenience. All it takes is for IE to be directed to the site and it helpfully runs the malware - no questions asked.

      Some of the emails have been from the tax office (equivalent to IRS), some have been about package deliveries with a tracking link and others have been about speeding fines. They are aimed squarely to catch people who are not idiots, just not as paranoid about computers as is required these days.

      There have been a few articles about it over the last year apart from the article linked above.

    9. Re:Every customer of mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sort of curious how this ransomware is being executed by clicking on a single link in an e-mail

      How? "Outlook not so good." Actually it's the combination of MS Outlook and IE that have such a "feature" for convenience. All it takes is for IE to be directed to the site and it helpfully runs the malware - no questions asked.

      In the linked article, the demonstration of how this latest Cryptlocker variant work is using Mozilla Thunderbird email client, and no web browser is involved at all. It is a social engineering attack convincing users that this is a program they *should* download and run, not accidentally but on purpose. The user get a warning in Thunderbird, as they would in Outlook.

    10. Re:Every customer of mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol.

    11. Re:Every customer of mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are aimed squarely to catch people who are not idiots, just not as paranoid about computers as is required these days.

      So ... they're aimed at idiots, then? It's not like malicious e-mail attachments and malicious web sites are new things.

      I mean ... how many millions of bad examples does someone need before they start taking this more seriously? Sounds like idiotic behavior to me. After all, that is a key feature of idiocy: the failure to learn from one's own experiences and the well-known well-documented experiences of others.

    12. Re:Every customer of mine by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      I suspect you got downmodded because you're making a very extraordinary claim. You're telling me that Outlook or IE actually runs an executable with no additional warnings? I'm sorry, but unless you show me some proof of that, I find it incredibly hard to believe.

      Take a look at this simulation video showing the infection process. How many steps did the user have to take to extract and then execute the Cryptolocker installer? They had to click on the attachment and save it to disk, unzip the contents, and then execute the installer, bypassing a warning screen in the process. That isn't just clicking on a single link in an e-mail.

      Note that this is Thunderbird, not Outlook, but the process should be the same for any modern e-mail client. And no modern browser will purposefully execute native code just by clicking on a link, or we'd all be swimming in malware by now. Unless there's a security exploit involved or a *very* old version of the software, I'd be astounded if that were this possible, given what we've learned about security in the past fifteen years or so.

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    13. Re:Every customer of mine by dbIII · · Score: 1

      I mean ... how many millions of bad examples does someone need before they start taking this more seriously?

      Millions of bad examples to people like us that pay attention to computers, but the first one to secretarial staff who do not. Better spam filtering has just led to people who don't understand that there is a deluge of shit flooding the internet, so they trust the bits that float through. I had one today that opened up a very suspicious email in MS Outlook just so that they could send me a screenshot of it (aaargh!). Luckily that one required actually opening an attachment before it would do any damage, but with others just opening the email is game over.

    14. Re:Every customer of mine by dbIII · · Score: 1

      You're telling me that Outlook or IE actually runs an executable with no additional warnings? I'm sorry, but unless you show me some proof of that, I find it incredibly hard to believe.

      Wow!
      I'm not sure why you are commenting on this thread since you don't know of the most complained about problem with MS Outlook. I suggest you google it and whatever article on an antivirus site that turns up looks as if it's the most interesting. It's big business building a third party wrapper around MS Outlook to provide additional warnings, but even then there are still holes that the malware writers exploit.

      It's probably even in the article above - one click to infect has been the problem with many cryptolocker type viruses.

      As for posting a link to a video, I know you mean to be helpful but that is very annoying for several reasons - text of some form is much better especially if you are attempting to "educate" someone who already knows the topic better than yourself.

    15. Re:Every customer of mine by dbIII · · Score: 1

      or we'd all be swimming in malware by now

      Yes
      It's a malware swamp beyond the dreams of bad SF out there. Hundreds of new "owned" systems are trying to break into my network daily before being blacklisted, not to mention thousands of spam messages from spambots, and that's just one IP address on the net that the script kiddies don't know from any other. Systems that are actually being targeted have to deal with far more.

    16. Re:Every customer of mine by dbIII · · Score: 1

      I saved you the trouble of googling - move down to the heading "Be Careful of Links" to see where the problem still lies:
      http://www.howtogeek.com/13554...

      Clicking on the wrong link will helpfully open IE which will then helpfully run the script that installs and runs cryptolocker - hence the problem discussed here!
      In news reports it has been links that are supposed to be about speeding fines, parcel tracking and tax refunds. I've seen a couple where the link said "here is your invoice", and the sort of people that are responsible for making sure you get paid the correct amount are the sort of people who fall for that one click infection.

      A workaround is that antivirus companies are now providing web proxies so they can block IE getting the one click infection (or two click for everything else), but it's hard to keep the list of malware sites up to date with the number of malware bots multiplying out there

    17. Re:Every customer of mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Point of order-
      Cryptolocker is not a scam, it's an extortion racket. A scam is something not real, and Cryptolocker is very, very real.

  4. Re:Silly bogans... by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 3, Funny

    but shouldn't they be used to this? i mean EVERYTHING in that country evolved to kill them. what's a bit of ransomware compared to magpies attacking their eyes when they go shopping? ever touched gympie gympie? just look at children armed with dingo sticks on their way to school... WTF is ransomware compared to that? on a scale of 1 to 10, this sofrware must be -5.

  5. Go Mel Gibson on this. by Z00L00K · · Score: 0

    Like the movie Ransom with Mel Gibson.

    But having backup of your files is always a good idea.

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    1. Re:Go Mel Gibson on this. by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      DUMB.

    2. Re:Go Mel Gibson on this. by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      So, make a public announcement offering double the number of bitcoins the extortionist is demanding as a reward for the person's capture?

    3. Re:Go Mel Gibson on this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Capture, no. Execution, yes.

    4. Re:Go Mel Gibson on this. by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      So, make a public announcement offering double the number of bitcoins the extortionist is demanding as a reward for the person's capture?

      "The extortionist" is usually an entire gang of people, not just one person. I don't know how many bitcoins you'd have to offer to get someone to capture the Russian Mafia, and I can't imagine that gambit ending well in any case.

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  6. How come? by ruir · · Score: 1

    Quick, you should pass a law for all that non taxable revenue....

    1. Re:How come? by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      How do you know that it's not taxable? The problem is to figure out where the taxes should have been paid.

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      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    2. Re:How come? by Rei · · Score: 1

      One can be pretty confident that the answer is "Russia".

      And they've probably already IDed some if not all of the people involved, but there's no way they'd serve Russia with a warrant for their arrest (Russia would never hand them over) rather than keeping sealed charges on them and waiting for them to slip up and travel internationally.

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      I'll never forget the last thing grandma said to me before she died: "What are you doing in here with that knife?!?"
    3. Re:How come? by ruir · · Score: 1

      Id love you to explain how they have IDed them with virus-like propagation and bitcoin payments...

    4. Re:How come? by ruir · · Score: 1

      I am just being ironic about australia being a hole where everything technology based and made being restricted and ridiculous expensive due to taxes.

  7. Don't pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Restore from backup and be more careful next time.

    1. Re:Don't pay by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      I think I've found the flaw in your idea:

      "Restore from backup "

      What backup? The sort of people that get stung by this are the sort too stupid to make backups. Assuming they even know how.

  8. Re:Silly bogans... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    That is a very misinformed post

  9. That is nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Compared to the amount we get overcharged by companies in America, just the extra my clients have paid for cad over the last 10 years would easily cover that cover that ($10000 for a 2 user license last year for example). So who are the real crooks?

    1. Re:That is nothing by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      The ones who took stuff and held it to ransom?
      I'm assuming not the ones to sell a product to make a profit.
      $5000 per user per year, That's $2.50 per hour for a full time employee.
      If your clients paid those people $2.50 more per hour (or hired someone else), would they be as productive with a free CAD tool?

    2. Re:That is nothing by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      Or would the employees be more productive with a $2.50 pay rise?

    3. Re:That is nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're only saving $5,000/year(or less) using CAD you're probably using CAD wrong.

      I have virtually eliminated prototypes from my workflow using CAD and now get dozens of virtual prototypes/revisions before spending my first $1.00 on parts/materials. Without CAD, most people can only afford a couple of revisions before they have to start selling the shit in volume to recoup their losses.

      If that $5,000/year really bothers you then switch to "Onshape.com." It kills 3x birds with one stone: CAD, PDM, and cloud backups. They even have a "free tier" to get you in to their ecosystem. Best part? It's compatible(import/export WITH feature-tree) with Solidworks formats(.sldasm/.sldprt)!

  10. Re:Silly bogans... by mjwx · · Score: 3, Funny

    The real risk are the Drop Bears. Suicidal little buggers. Gotten worse since they figured out how to make explosives.

    Seriously, a lot of Australians are just idiots. Computer technology has proliferated in the last 20 odd years but brains haven't. Almost everyone now has some kind of computer and has to use one for work but cant seem to grasp the basics of security. I have to wonder if these people would open a package some random stranger gave them on the street.

    Combine this with the fact there is a large subculture glorifying idiocy and backwards thinking in this country (that's about to become a serious problem, but that is for another thread) and it's little wonder that people are getting Cryptolockers.

    I have no sympathy for them, its the sysadmins that have to restore backups that I feel sorry for. Inevitably Braindead Bruce will get angry at the sysadmin when they find out that Bruce didn't keep backups of his important files (read: porn and car pictures).

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  11. Re:Silly bogans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not necessarily. Synology NAS users fell victim of this. Synology took way too long to alert their users, instead, pretending nothing was happening, or silently ignoring the issue of their failure to update their software (which is OSS and already fixed). Eventually they addressed it, but the time they took was disgraceful, and even then, they failed to alert their registered users what was affecting their products.

    So how about you not blaming the victims until you have facts to hand? Email is merely one vector, crytoplocker is run by various criminal organisations and uses an army of distributed machines hunting for exploitable servers. Do you actually check server longs? Thought so. Typical know-it-all dweeb.

  12. /.ers hypocrits? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Judging from the comments, very much so.

  13. maybe they learn something by hvulin · · Score: 1

    Maybe they learn something from this... If not, there is allways the next time!

    1. Re:maybe they learn something by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      You mean that the successor to Cryptolocker will be worse?

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  14. Hello I am from Telstra Internet Services by trabby · · Score: 1

    Private Number: "Hello I am from Telstra Internet Services and you have a problem with your computer"
    Me: F**k o** you scamming c***
    *End Call*

    Been getting those at least once a month now.

    1. Re:Hello I am from Telstra Internet Services by MrNaz · · Score: 2

      Do a reverse fish. Tell them that you'll give them anything they want, but you've run out of prepaid broadband credit. They need to send you $30 so you can buy another voucher.

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    2. Re:Hello I am from Telstra Internet Services by dwywit · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, surely you can do better than that?

      "which computer? I have seven"
      "all of them sir"
      "even the ones not connected to the internet? which one do you want me to turn on?"
      "any computer, sir"
      "so, what are the error messages?"

      and so on. Had one of them on the line for almost 20 minutes. In the end he screamed obscenities at me and HE hung up. I told one girl her mother would be ashamed of her, I told another one I couldn't get to the computer because I had a broken leg. Even told another that the call would be traced because I was on a silent number and in the witness protection scheme and the SSB would be breaking down their door any minute.

      It's quite a challenge, coming up with something original that'll disrupt their script and waste their time. I plan to learn some insults in Hindi, that'll be fun.

      "Your computer is sending us error messages sir"
      Hindi: f*ck off you untouchable pig-f*cking corpse-handler. Your mother suckles..... well, you get the idea.

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    3. Re:Hello I am from Telstra Internet Services by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      You could try the classic "Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"

    4. Re:Hello I am from Telstra Internet Services by donak · · Score: 1

      I told one woman "I use Linux on my computers".
      She apologised for wasting my time and hung up ... leaving me flabbergasted.

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  15. Education, education, education... by jandersen · · Score: 1

    1) Make sure users, especially Windows users, are well educated enough to not run things or accept things that pop up in the browser or is sent in an email.

    2) Make sure that all users have Adblockers, No-Script etc installed by default. It is more trouble initially, but it gives you a chance to stop and think, and after a while you will have trained yourself and your browser to allow you to do your work with a minimum of pain.

    3) Always run Windows in a VM under Linux - and make regular, dated backups of the Windows disk images (the VM disk images!). If shit happens, you can quickly go back to a version that works.

    Of those three, the first point is far the most important.

    1. Re:Education, education, education... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      1) Make sure users, especially Windows users, are well educated enough to not run things or accept things that pop up in the browser or is sent in an email.

      "I know I'm not supposed to do it, but I was expecting a ..."
      We can't really blame the users for this one and education hasn't fixed the problem. The malware swamp we are sinking into would not be happening if the software environment was not such a mess.

      3) Always run Windows in a VM under Linux

      One thing that is getting victims is encryption of files on network shares and restoring the VM is not going to save you there (plus a disk image does the same job so long as the important stuff is elsewhere). Some places are going as far as hourly snapshots on file servers. Real offline backups are of course the only way to be really sure.

    2. Re:Education, education, education... by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      Real offline backups are of course the only way to be really sure.

      But only if they're nuked from orbit.

    3. Re:Education, education, education... by donaldm · · Score: 1

      1) Make sure users, especially Windows users, are well educated enough to not run things or accept things that pop up in the browser or is sent in an email.

      You do realise that trying to educate most MS Windows users is like trying to drain a lake with a colander.

      2) Make sure that all users have Adblockers, No-Script etc installed by default. It is more trouble initially, but it gives you a chance to stop and think, and after a while you will have trained yourself and your browser to allow you to do your work with a minimum of pain.

      Well I suppose if you are the System Admin but that would be a really thankless job.

      3) Always run Windows in a VM under Linux - and make regular, dated backups of the Windows disk images (the VM disk images!). If shit happens, you can quickly go back to a version that works.

      Honestly lets be real here. How many MS Windows users would even know how to install a Linux distribution much less run a virtual machine with MS Windows running in it and as for making backups of the virtual images - err lets not go down that path. In fact how many people actually know how to install MS Widows from scratch even though like Linux it is very easy although IMHO Linux is much more logical.

      I think the only thing you can do is shake your head and slowly back away but definitely make sure your family and possibly your friends are educated enough not to be caught out by stammers. Diplomacy, patience and a small amount of constructive education are essential here.

      BTW. Please don't take this badly, what you have said is quite valid, however we are talking abut the average MS Windows user who may be quite smart in many areas but dumb as a post when it come to basic IT management and security.

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    4. Re:Education, education, education... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many would know how to install a linux system? more than would know how to (re)install a windows one.

      And do you know what you have to do here? Reinstall windows. Completely clean.

      Anyone who can manage that can install linux. Even if you failed at it, you probably can install linux.

    5. Re:Education, education, education... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      1) The attacker gets numerous attempts to fool the user, and only has to win once. By chance the attackers are likely to hit on something that will fool some users sometime.

      2) NoScript is a pain to use properly. I have it, but I couldn't recommend it to unsophisticated users. They're going to get into a reflex of "allow all on page", and eventually will switch to allowing everything, because "temporarily allow on on page" does not always work.

      3) Does all software run satisfactorily in a VM? Is it worth the additional complications? Most users are not going to cope well with having to start Linux up and then start Windows up, if nothing else.

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  16. Solution by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

    Backup in depth:
    'real time' (ie Apple's time machine)
    + Daily
    + Weekly (put aside)
    + Monthly (stored offsite)
    + Yearly (stored off-offsite)

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    1. Re:Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More important than having a backup is having a backup that isn't also encrypted. Cryptolocker takes some time before it reveals itself, so if you do things normally (backup to external drive of sorts), you have to go back to an old backup and lose everything you created since then. Backups on drives which are in reach of Cryptolocker are useless because they're also encrypted, so you might even have lost backups from before your computer got infected. A proper backup routine requires a secondary machine which reads from the host and writes to a drive which is at most read-only accessible to the host. At the moment, that would give you a working recent backup, but obviously Cryptolocker could detect this and not decrypt the data for the backup agent. Then you'd also need to check the validity of the data on the backup system.

    2. Re:Solution by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      More important than having a backup is having a backup that isn't also encrypted. Cryptolocker takes some time before it reveals itself, so if you do things normally (backup to external drive of sorts), you have to go back to an old backup and lose everything you created since then. Backups on drives which are in reach of Cryptolocker are useless because they're also encrypted, so you might even have lost backups from before your computer got infected. A proper backup routine requires a secondary machine which reads from the host and writes to a drive which is at most read-only accessible to the host. At the moment, that would give you a working recent backup, but obviously Cryptolocker could detect this and not decrypt the data for the backup agent. Then you'd also need to check the validity of the data on the backup system.

      Which is why I said 'put aside' and 'offsite' and off-offsite' and 'over time' - all of which are unreachable by Cryptolocker as they're not connected to the system after the backup is taken.

      With the schema I described you have a minimum of 25 full backups of various times from one day to however many years you feel like backing up. Nothing that was backed up before the cryptolocker got in would be lost.

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    3. Re:Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I said that Cryptolocker takes some time to reveal itself, which means you can still use your PC normally for a while, and write seemingly working backups to external drives, but when Cryptolocker strikes, the backups since the PC got infected become useless, even if you detached them, because they were already encrypted by Cryptolocker when you wrote them. A backup scheme where the data is read on the host PC but not written to a disk by the host PC would give you a much more recent backup. Losing weeks or months of data is probably bad enough to make people pay the ransom. Just saying...

  17. Re: Silly bogans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suggest you read less abc.net.au and more xyz.net.au

  18. supernational team. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hasn't the time come yet to create a super national institution/task force (like interpol for "real" world) to stop this and to put to jailforever the persons who receive the money? Really not yet?? Do not tell me it's not possible, because it's not true at all.

    1. Re:supernational team. by Rei · · Score: 1

      And how exactly do you plan to convince Russia to hand over its citizens?

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    2. Re:supernational team. by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      Because America, Fuck Yeah!, that's how.

  19. Scam? by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Scam would imply this is some kind of fraud or swindle, like a con artist trying to trick you. This is plain extortion, they've kidnapped your data and is holding it ransom. If bad things really do happen if you don't pay, it's not a scam any more than being robbed at gunpoint is.

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    1. Re:Scam? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      Scam would be if they didn't unlock it when you pay.

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    2. Re:Scam? by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
      Scam would imply this is some kind of fraud or swindle, like a con artist trying to trick you.

      Yes. They're tricking you into going to their landing page. Otherwise, you would voluntarily access a page that solely exists to unleash an exploit kit on whoever accesses it.

    3. Re:Scam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except they do so its not a scam. unless someone hacks their command and control servers and breaks it.

    4. Re:Scam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't be robbed at gunpoint in Australia. Private gun ownership is mostly illegal and the Gov't keeps telling everyone how much safer they are because of it.

      .

  20. GST? by nighty5 · · Score: 1

    I hope that the ATO is getting their fair of the GST on these ransomware demands.... The lack of tax on overseas purchases are taking our jeeerbs!

    1. Re:GST? by dwywit · · Score: 1

      We just found Gerry Harvey's /. handle.

      Seriously, they want to drop the threshold to AUD$20? I thought it was uneconomic to collect the tax below purchases of AUD$100?

      I'll just buy books one at a time. Makes no difference to me, the book depository has free shipping.

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    2. Re:GST? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before you know it, you'll be needing to saw your computer in two pieces like in 1980s Yugoslavia(as mentioned on a /. story a week or two ago).

    3. Re:GST? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Seriously, they want to drop the threshold to AUD$20? I thought it was uneconomic to collect the tax below purchases of AUD$100?

      mmm, thats the situation we have in the UK (and I belive the EU in general) and it sucks. Order a £16 (inc delivery) item from outside the EU, pay £3.20 VAT and pay ~£10 handling charge for collecting the VAT.

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  21. One client has fallen for it four times by Gumbercules!! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know someone who personally accounts for 4 of those installations. On the same computer. Because she's fallen for the same frikkin scam four times. Every time I ask her "why did you open an email claiming to be from the IRS, when we don't have an IRS in Australia", she tells me "because it sounded real". You should see the grammar in these scam emails, too: they're written like "please effective the transactionments with the rapid or we can has your cheeseburgers". Yet she's still fallen for it. Four. Times.

    Fortunately, I back that site up effectively.

    1. Re:One client has fallen for it four times by MrNaz · · Score: 5, Funny

      Have you considered replacing her computer with one of those Fisher Price toy computers that just makes beeping noises when you press the keys? From what you say, it doesn't seem like she'd notice.

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    2. Re:One client has fallen for it four times by Gumbercules!! · · Score: 1

      Yeah it's not a stupid idea, either. From what I can tell, her job description is mostly to make up work to do to keep herself busy.

    3. Re:One client has fallen for it four times by dwywit · · Score: 0

      I hope your service fee increases by the square of the number of incidents?

      On a related note, I have to thank Microsoft for Windows 10. I think it'll make me rich. I've bumped my hourly rate by 10% for Win 10 service calls.

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    4. Re:One client has fallen for it four times by dbIII · · Score: 2

      Have you considered replacing her computer with one of those Fisher Price toy computers that just makes beeping noises when you press the keys? From what you say, it doesn't seem like she'd notice.

      That's the problem - after 2000 we replaced the real computers with Fisher Price toys with some insecure shit from Microsoft on it.
      Outlook not so good.

    5. Re:One client has fallen for it four times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Careful, that description could also fit R&D - I suppose the point is whether what she does is actually useful to anyone.

    6. Re:One client has fallen for it four times by operagost · · Score: 1
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    7. Re:One client has fallen for it four times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is she pretty? I'm guessing she is. And her boss isn't getting any at home.

      If so, her job has nothing to do with computers. Unless, of course, he's recording it...

    8. Re:One client has fallen for it four times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laughed, nice.

    9. Re:One client has fallen for it four times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Will you get the same guy to fix it who fixed it last time?"

      "Nah, he's a pretentious jerk."

    10. Re:One client has fallen for it four times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe we should be thankful for ransomware. Given her level of stupidity, the money she spent would have done a lot more damage if she had decided for herself what to do with it.

    11. Re:One client has fallen for it four times by Gumbercules!! · · Score: 1

      Ha! She was probably very pretty about 30 years ago - and her boss is also a later-middle aged woman, so I think that's... improbable. So far as I can tell, her job description is 100% to shield her boss from having to deal with anyone (she's a P.A.). And she's very good at it - if you even meander slightly near her boss's door, she'll just about spear tackle you to stop you going in there and she's no different when it comes to phones or other forms of shielding her boss from annoyances. But when it comes to anything else, I think she really just makes busy work to keep herself amused, as her boss spends about 50% of the year out of the country, anyway.

    12. Re:One client has fallen for it four times by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      I remember when this came out. http://dilbert.com/search_resu...

  22. Re:Silly bogans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Of course Australians are a massive target. Unlike the Americans and Europeans they have jobs and money.
    No point targeting the Euros as they have enough problems with their banks running out of cash and them having to live on $100/week. The USA ??....lol....they're either all on food stamps or they can't pay the electric bill, let alone have enough left over to send as bitcoin for a ransom.

    Nah....it's a canny move by the ransomware authors. Hit the affluent, ignore the destitute.

  23. Re: Silly bogans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Appropriate that you should post about that site here, it really does embrace the FOSS principle of "Fork it, don't fix it".

  24. Re: Silly bogans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ha-ha. Yes!

  25. Re:Silly bogans... by Ihlosi · · Score: 3, Insightful
    WTF is ransomware compared to that?

    Current ransomware will just destroy your data. But wait until the crimeware authors switch to "pay us X btc, or we'll make make your online activitiy look like that of a terrorist."

  26. This is slashdot... by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

    ...we start lists at zero around here.

    0 - Prevention is preferable to cure, avoid giving your PC the power to crash your life in the first place.

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    1. Re:This is slashdot... by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      So... get them an iPad instead of a fuckin' Windows PC?

    2. Re:This is slashdot... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      The same type of ransomware has been hitting mac's for at least two years now.

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    3. Re:This is slashdot... by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen any malware that affects ios yet.

      Well aside from cydia, cydia has infected about 14 million devices. It allows users to run apps not approved by apple its Awful.

      To think some people could use their phone as a flashlight without apples approval. The horror!

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    4. Re:This is slashdot... by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      Apple has a "flashlight" mode/icon right on the... bottom-up-swipe-thingy page. Not sure what to call it.

    5. Re:This is slashdot... by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Just fyi there was a time when apple did not allow apps to use the camera flash as a flashlight. They said it was a inappropriate use of hardware. Years ago now but some of us still remember. http://www.engadget.com/2010/0...

      http://www.macrumors.com/2010/...

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  27. Re:Silly bogans... by dbIII · · Score: 1

    ever touched gympie gympie

    It's only ever killed one person from memory - a twenty metre tall tree does that to you if it falls on you, stinging leaves or not. However there's plenty of immature trees with leaves at heights that can sting anyone walking past.

    http://anpsa.org.au/APOL2007/sep07-s2.html

    It hurts like stinging ant bites, a bit of pain to start with and then it fades a bit but is still there. Adding water later makes it hurt again, as much or more than the initial sting. There's not a lot you can do other than try to remove the tiny stinging hairs (especially before you get wet) and put up with it for a day or so. It's possible that some sort of resistance is built up or people stung frequently just get better at ignoring it, because after being stung a few times it's just one of those things that hurts but you'll be over it quicker than bad sunburn.

  28. Re:Silly bogans... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Sounds exactly like the United States.

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  29. Industrial scamming by dbIII · · Score: 1

    They do hundreds a day and have a script - your reverse pfish is not in the script to deal with so even if they are gullible enough it's not going to happen.
    The best I've done is ask one Indian lady on the line why she's working for such criminals despite having perfect English - that got a bit of an offscript response. I no longer have a phone on my landline so no longer have to put up with those scammers.

  30. Re:Silly bogans... by dbIII · · Score: 3, Funny

    Do you actually check server longs?

    In Australia we call them waiters, and no, I like the girls too much to be interested.

  31. Downmod by a fanboy? by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Now that's just pathetic - modded down for pointing out the vector of infection by some fanboy that wants to pretend even MS products being discontinued are perfect.
    There is nothing inaccurate in the above post. Not liking reality is no reason to mod down a post describing reality.

    1. Re:Downmod by a fanboy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that's just pathetic - modded down for pointing out the vector of infection by some fanboy that wants to pretend even MS products being discontinued are perfect.
      There is nothing inaccurate in the above post. Not liking reality is no reason to mod down a post describing reality.

      Can you be more specific about which feature you are referring to in relation to Cryptolocker infections that Outlook and Internet Explorer have and other common browsers and email programs don't?

    2. Re:Downmod by a fanboy? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      It's at the top of the post - the portion quoted.

  32. Re:Silly bogans... by Christian+Smith · · Score: 2

    WTF is ransomware compared to that?

    Current ransomware will just destroy your data. But wait until the crimeware authors switch to "pay us X btc, or we'll make make your online activitiy look like that of a terrorist."

    And you'll have the crimeware alibi as well to provide reasonable doubt. Wouldn't get a cent out of me.

  33. Re:Silly bogans... by alex67500 · · Score: 1

    Not necessarily. Stupid Synology NAS users fell victim of this.

    FTFY. You don't leave it open for Internet access.

  34. Correction by Ihlosi · · Score: 1

    you would... ... not ...

    1. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey.. you're forgetting what's important here. Let's keep discussing whether this is a scam, a jape, a prank or whatever other irrelevant crap Kjella feels is important.

  35. Re:Silly bogans... by Ihlosi · · Score: 3, Insightful
    And you'll have the crimeware alibi as well to provide reasonable doubt

    If you survive the raid on your house.

    Think "swatting", just done for profit and on a larger scale. And these criminals usually don't get caught, unlike the usual revenge swatter.

  36. Re: Silly bogans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And they deserve it for making their NAS accessible on the Internet. Keep your pirated software to yourself.

  37. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Informative

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  38. Re:Silly bogans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And you'll have the crimeware alibi as well to provide reasonable doubt

    The government will go crying to the USA. Which abandoned the idea of Innocent until Proven Guilty back in 2001. A massive black-ops force will descend upon your granny, arrest her and render her to Albania, leaving smoking rubble behind where her house and cats were. Later, they'll realise it was actually the house next door, but being a USA hit squad means never having to say you're sorry.

  39. Re:Silly bogans... by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

    Sounds exactly like the south of the United States.

    FTFY.

  40. Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do Australians have to pay just a bit more ransom for the luxury of being hacked in Australia?

  41. What is special about Australia? by houghi · · Score: 1

    I mean: this happens all over the world. If it just hit them, then they were lucky up till now.

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  42. Sue Microsoft for making shitty software by AndyKron · · Score: 0

    Sue Microsoft for making shitty software.

    1. Re:Sue Microsoft for making shitty software by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      It's not Microsoft's fault. Pretty much any operating system can have this problem. There's a version of Cryptolocker that attacks Mac OSX machines as well. Unless you want to be stuck inside something like iOS, where you can only run an approved list of programs, then you're going to end up with people who run anything and everything causing security problems for themselves.

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  43. OK, this is not very fair of me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But you morons deserved to pay for your ignorance. You shouldn't even have to learn about computers to avoid this scam. But you're not. And after a while it's not my job to care that you got fucked over because of your own incompetence at life.

    Hopefully you have learned your lesson and it will never happen again. But what you've lost, you have lost. Live with it as a learning experience.

  44. Who cares about the russian ones. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, sure, there's probably a lot of russians, but most of them are americans using cracked and insecure russian computers for this. How do I know? Because most of the spam I get from russian IP addresses are from american companies in us dollars sent to me in the UK.

    Moreover, the reason why it won't happen isn't because russia won't hand over citizens, but the USA have been against it for decades.

    Why weren't UN inspectors able to get into any chemical company in Iraq and check he didn't make chemical weapons? Because the UN resolution that would allow UN inspectors to do that was vetoed by the USA because there was no way to prevent the inspectors inspecting US companies.

    International courts and the Hague are ingored by the USA who will not hand over their military personnell, EVEN IF it's only to ask questions in an incident where a squaddie killed a civilian when they were in germany and were back on the base and sent back to the USA before the police found out who it was. Or the airforce pilot who shot a column of british tanks in the iraq war.

    The USA would refuse any convention that allowed this extraction unless there were an explicit "but not us" for the USA.

    Russians? Not in it. It's your aged and raddled brain pretending that the cold war was still on.

    1. Re:Who cares about the russian ones. by Rei · · Score: 1

      The ringleader of the cryptolocker gang is Evgeniy Bogachev, aka "lucky12345" and "slavik". He's praised as a hero back home.

      The simple facts are that most of these programs trace back to organized crime in Russia, which takes advantage of the fact that Russia shelters them from extradition.

      Now, do I even need to go into any of the absurdity that you posted? Meh, let's do it for fun.

      1. Malware != advertising spam

      2. Advertizing spam is spread by botnets with service purchased from the operators of the botnets. The companies whose products are being plugged are not the same people who compromised or run the botnets (the latter two which can also be separate entities)

      3. The most common currency to ask for in advertizing spam is US dollars because it's the most universal currency on the planet (the second most common spam currency to see is euros). It's the same reason that most spam is in English. However, some spammers do tailor their spam lists by region.

      4. The US has never been against an extradition treaty with Russia - the US always seeks bilateral extradition treaties where possible. Russia is always against extradition treaties - not just with the US, but with everyone. Extradition is a violation of article 61 of the Russian constitution: "A Russian citizen cannot be sent beyond the borders of the Russian Federation or given to another state"

      5. The UN inspection team did have the rights to go into any company in Iraq, under resolution 1441 - which was introduced and highly sought after by the US.

      6. The US never vetoed any resolutions related to Iraq.

      7. The US did not have any chemical companies operating in Iraq at the time of the inspections. Iraq was under sanctions.

      You are correct on one aspect, however: The US does in all extradition treaties require exemption of US soldiers for actions involved in armed conflict.

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  45. You can typically get *some* data back... by iMouse · · Score: 3, Informative

    CryptoWall/CTB-Locker/Cryptolocker (or whatever the variant's name is this month) seems to have difficulty with or is rather slow at getting to data stored in the container for the Volume Snapshot Service. For businesses that do not allow their users to run as administrators (or have them elevate from a privileged account), they can typically restore a reasonably recent snapshot of data folder by folder using the Previous Versions option.

    If the user is an admin, I've found that the window for recovery using VSS is smaller, but certainly better than nothing. Network shares should be restored from backups or VSS from the server (if Windows). I haven't figured out what to do with flash drives quite yet....even most data recovery software doesn't find much since the files are never really erased, just overwritten with encrypted copies.

  46. Re:Silly bogans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suppose you can recover from terrorist but you cannot recover from say child abuse. Rape is also good. Hard to get out of that especially if intercourse took place.So there are a few options available.

  47. Re:Silly bogans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have to wonder if these people would open a package some random stranger gave them on the street.

    Like everyone ever would have done inclusive you. What could go wrong if the stranger wouldn't run away when you start opening it? You can even guess what it's inside when you shake it or look at the form or size.

    It cannot really affect you, yes there could be poison or a bomb in it, but no device which silently can steal you money without you recognising it. Did you here about the packet that locks you out of your home? I didn't.

    That little difference is what most people have difficulties to grasp.

  48. Re:Silly bogans... by minijedimaster · · Score: 0

    Sounds exactly like the south of the United States.

    FTFY.

    Talk about intolerance and hate. The exact things you accuse people in "The South" of doing. Project much?

  49. Re:Silly bogans... by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 0

    Sounds exactly like the south of the United States.

    FTFY.

    To be more precise, Texas..

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  50. Question by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

    It seems like it shouldn't be too hard to MD5 / SHA / whatever hash every file of the types that are targeted - a la tripwire.

    Do such solutions exist for the various targeted OSs?

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  51. Re:Silly bogans... by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

    Sounds exactly like the south of the United States.

    FTFY.

    Don't kid yourself.

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  52. Re:Silly bogans... by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    The real risk are the Drop Bears. Suicidal little buggers. Gotten worse since they figured out how to make explosives.

    The drop bears have become Muslims?

  53. Just makes you wonder... by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    Kinda like suddenly running into the middle of a busy road and getting hit by a car. Even though pedestrians have the right of way, any court of law would blame the pedestrian.

    So there is a much better, more secure, more useable and more professional product out there than Microsoft Windows, and its even free (Gnu/Linux), yet many dumbasses still choose to buy and use Windows instead and also not even back up their files, even though Windows has a decades long history of being easily hacked and Microsoft has a decades long history of doing little to nothing effective about it. Any company that comes up with shit like UAC is very clearly clueless.

    There must be some level at which you just have to say choosing Windows then becoming a victim to this kind of attack is pretty much self-inflicted.

    1. Re:Just makes you wonder... by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      Even though pedestrians have the right of way, any court of law would blame the pedestrian.

      Wrong. The pedestrian has the right of way, therefor the driver by law is automatically at fault.

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    2. Re: Just makes you wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you run into the busy road you do not have the right a way. The only time you have the right of way is if there is stop sign, crosswalk, or the walking light is green. But if you just run into traffic you better believe it is your fault.

    3. Re: Just makes you wonder... by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      That may be true where you live, but where I live the pedestrian's right of way is absolute and can't be waived. If a pedestrian is in the street and waves a car past, the car's driver can (but probably won't) get a ticket if a cop sees it.

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    4. Re:Just makes you wonder... by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      so if someome just steps off the pavement right infront of a car, close enough that the driver had no possibility of avoiding him, then its still the drivers fault?

    5. Re:Just makes you wonder... by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      IANAL, but my guess is that that would be considered extenuating circumstances as far as legal action is concerned, but it would still go on the driver's insurance.

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  54. Re:Silly bogans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bad news for Australians: this is just one of many tar getting the country.

    Waiter's professionalism should be appreciated, as you never know when you're getting packed together, unwillingly.

  55. tar getting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is a sticky situation.

  56. ASMC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It can still get on via angler malware kit. The type from yahoo.

    It is run only from ram making it impossible to block or detect.

    Malware kits? You sound like Another Satisfied Microsoft Customer.

    I've seen individual *nix machines that were hacked into by a determined individual who put a lot of time and effort into doing it. I've never seen automated self-perpetuating malware for *nix in the wild. I've seen a few proof-of-concept viruses, but not in the wild. Odd, considering the majority of servers on the net are some form of *nix. That's a lot of beefy machines with loads of interesting data and tons of bandwidth, why you would think that'd make a tempting target...

    Seems the *nix world learned their lesson from the Morris worm, you remember, the one from 1988? Yeah after that they took security seriously. With all their billions of dollars and skilled talent you would think Microsoft could do something similar? Oh well, just keep buying Windows, the next version will be better right?

  57. Re:Silly bogans... by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

    Sounds exactly like the south of the United States.

    FTFY.

    Didn't you get the memo? It's not the South that's standing in the way of the Progressive New World Order any more, it's "Rurl 'Merica".

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  58. Re:Silly bogans... by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

    Not necessarily. Stupid Synology NAS users fell victim of this.

    FTFY. You don't leave it open for Internet access.

    This. File system sharing protocols are inherently insecure. Doesn't matter if it's Samba, CIFS, NFS, and whatever Microsoft is calling the Windows version of SMB these days - they all have serious vulnerabilities that can be exploited from a public interface. Don't expose them to the world.

    If you want to share files on the public Internet, there are better ways. Lots of ways to do it on a web-based platform. And share copies of stuff, and keep your system isolated. If you are using these Internet-based sharing things for traveling, use some kind of VPN instead.

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  59. Kickstarter Campaign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hiring an assassin to hunt them down and kill them would be a good use for a kickstarter campaign.
    Perhaps a few dead hackers would send a message to them.
    Here's hoping.

  60. Re:Silly bogans... by ttucker · · Score: 1

    That is a very misinformed post

    Is that full disclosure or something?

  61. Re:Silly bogans... by KGIII · · Score: 1

    I have (had, really) a lady friend who was fairly young and lived in a tiny place called Cann River. We met online and I, being a pervert, went to Australia to meet them in person. I stayed for a couple of weeks the first time and then for about a month the second time and all was well and good. Anyhow, not long after I left, she was on her way to work at a coffee shop/cafe type of deal and was walking there when she was attacked and suffered some real damage from a magpie.

    I do not really have a point, I seldom do, but I did find it amusing that you mention it. We did not end up wed and live happily ever after feeding our babies to dingos. In fact, I never saw her again though I did return to Australia another time but that was for entirely different reasons.

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  62. "tar getting"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    American idiots. PROOFREAD.

  63. Scam == one more type of drive corruption by Jeremi · · Score: 1

    Sociological issues aside, getting bit by one of these scams is functionally equivalent to having your hard drive become corrupted, and the obvious solution is the same -- restore your data from backup.

    The thing that motivates people to pay $$$ to the scammers (and thus motivates the scammers to keep causing trouble) is that too many people don't back up their data, and thus it costs them less to pay off the scammers than it would to reconstruct whatever was on their hard drive.

    Given the low cost of hard drives these days, it seems to me that every computer sold should come with a second hard drive pre-installed and a Time Machine-style automatic incremental backup system already activated -- and maybe even a shiny red button somewhere that says "revert computer to yesterday's state", or something. That way the "I don't think about how my computer works, it's just a magic box to me" crowd would no longer face an expensive new crisis every six months.

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  64. Seriously Considering Moving... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    over to a Google Chromebook to obviate the need to worry about crap like this for my personal "browsing the Web" machine. I use Macs for work, but at home, I'm likely going Chromebook.

  65. Cheaper alternative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems to me it would be better in the long run for everyone to put their money together and hire some muscle. I hear the DOJ/FBI does mercenary work for the RIAA/MPAA. Maybe with the right "campaign contributions" (US politicians don't care where in the world the bribe comes from) they can get some hired goons to pay these malware people a visit and make them an offer they can't refuse.

  66. look they're just not paying attention by DrKarlEvanHallowell · · Score: 1

    Australians are known for that.