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Continued Cord Cutting Hits the Pay TV Business Hard

An anonymous reader writes: Cord cutting is not a new concern for the pay TV business but a recent massive sell-off in media stocks has many in the industry worried. Cable, satellite and TV companies suffered their worst-ever quarterly subscriber declines losing more than half a million accounts, sending stocks tumbling. Researchers say this may be the beginning of the end for the pay TV business. According to analysts Craig Moffett and Michael Nathanson: "A year ago, the Pay TV sector was shrinking at an annual rate of 0.1 percent. A year later, the rate at which the Pay TV sector is declining has quickened to 0.7 percent year-over-year. That may not seem like a mass exodus, but it is a big change in a short period of time. And the rate of decline is still accelerating."

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  1. Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    as soon as they can. They already talked about allowing cable companies to force you to buy TV service in order to get Internet access. For many people, like here in Seattle, cable is the only option for faster than 1.5 Mbps service.

    1. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by TWX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's okay. I've looked at my usage and I could get away with DSL speeds or even with cellular if I absolutely had to. Plus Google Fiber will probably end up in my city within the next year or two an I'm planning on getting rid of my cable provider altogether.

      Besides, if the recent FCC decision to regulate Internet providers like they regulated telephone companies to fight against the ISPs' attempts to extort fees from content providers sticks, as a common-carrier designation the cable companies might find themselves required to provide Internet access even if that's the only service the customer wants.

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    2. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I already pay a premium to one of my local cable companies (we have two, yay competition) for my Internet service since I don't have a cable subscription to go with it, so they would have to be brain-dead to require me to also buy a cable subscription just to give them less money.

      I suppose they could require me to buy a cable subscription if I wanted to keep my Internet service through them, but I would have no problem moving over to a DSL provider (well, other than the severely reduced bandwidth) just so I wouldn't have to deal with those cable sleazeballs. Heck, the only reason I deal with them now is because for all intents and purposes they are the only choice for reasonably fast broadband.

    3. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      thats funny being only one time in history have we been forced to buy anything, and its been done under obama, a democrat

    4. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      thats funny being only one time in history have we been forced to buy anything, and its been done under obama, a democrat

      In my state, we've been forced to buy auto liability insurance since, well...forever.

    5. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Yea, I'm SURE the Republicans want to help the liberal Comcast, Disney, and TW... yea that's the ticket.

      It has nothing to do with "liberal" or "conservative". It's that they're all family. They all share the last name, "Inc.".

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    6. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You've fallen into the trap. The real struggle should be corporate control of the country versus control by the people, but the corporations have convinced too many people that there's a left vs right fight going on, or a liberal versus conservative struggle. It is distracting you from the real enemy. If you think Disney or Comcast are "liberal" then you have drunk their lemonade. Corporations are not political, they are instead impersonal hive minds. They follow the winds of change without any loyalty to any political brand except for money. American has been deluded into thinking that if they're anti-abortion that they must always be anti-tax at the same time, and if they're pro-gay-rights that they must automatically be pro-union. It's stupid, there area million different political stances that any voter could have and yet we're being fooled into thinking that there are only two: us versus them.

      Don't hate Disney because they have different political views than your tribe has, but hate them because they're replacing "we the people" with "we the stockholders".

    7. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      ...except that's your state. They're allowed to do that.

      The federal government is not.

      It's f*cking amazing that a site full of IT geeks can't understand separation of powers or a default rule of deny all.

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    8. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my state, we've been forced to buy auto liability insurance since, well...forever.

      But *only* if you own a car and want to drive it on public roads. For health insurance, you are required to ether give money to corporations or pay a large tax just for breathing. That's a big difference.

    9. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And people wonder why we think the democrats are insane and see everything in a partisan tint.

    10. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by hawguy · · Score: 2

      In my state, we've been forced to buy auto liability insurance since, well...forever.

      But *only* if you own a car and want to drive it on public roads. For health insurance, you are required to ether give money to corporations or pay a large tax just for breathing. That's a big difference.

      Technically the tax isn't for everyday breathing, the tax is meant keep you breathing, and as a society we've chosen to keep people breathing even if they can't pay for it.

      Find a way to opt out of guaranteed emergency healthcare, then you can opt out of paying for it. But it's unfair to say "I don't need no stinking health insurance!" knowing full well that if you are in a serious accident or contract an expensive disease that no one is going to let you die because you can't pay for it.

    11. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hmm, you haven't noticed the corrosive right in the country which despises anyone who doesn't share their opinions?

    12. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suddenly they want us all to pull together under Old Glory,

      I thought it was the "racist" Confederate flag because "white privilege" and "war on womyn" or something like that...

    13. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      , they are instead impersonal hive minds. They follow the winds of change without any loyalty to any political brand except for money.

      Explain to me NBC/MSMBC. Wouldn't they have to be profitable then? The 25 or so people that watch them can't buy that much Viagra, Depends, and anal lube...

    14. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by KGIII · · Score: 2

      I buy enough for 25 people and that is just for weekend use.

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    15. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Yet you probably do not have to really buy automobile insurance. You can likely bond yourself with your government. The price varies per state. I do not know of any single state that does not allow this. There may be one, you could be an exception. Search for automobile insurance alternatives and your state name. Throw bonding in the search and that may narrow it down. I just insure my license with an insurance company. None of my cars (and I own too many) are individually insured.

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    16. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 2

      In my state, we've been forced to buy auto liability insurance since, well...forever.

      If you choose to own and operate a motor vehicle, there are certain laws you have to follow, including carrying enough insurance to cover the damage you may do to someone should you make a mistake. But you do have a choice in the matter, because you don't have to own and operate a motor vehicle. If you walk, ride a bike, take mass transit, ride with uber, etc, you are not forced to buy any products... you had to opt in to that set of laws by choosing to buy and drive a car.

      The huge difference here, the thing that is truly unprecedented, is that every living American is now forced to buy a product. There's no opt out. There's no choice. If you breathe, you must buy. This is oppressive, this is different, and it only has happened under a Democrat, Obama. If you want to go live off the grid on a homestead somewhere and be a subsistence farmer living and dying in your own when your time comes, tough beans for you. If you want to be an Amish person, live in your community and not make use of any modern medicine, tough beans for you. If you don't want to pay for modern insurance just because you want to take your chances and save some money (which I think is stupid, but freedom should allow people to do it), then tough beans for you. Obama still makes you buy his product.

      This is yet another example proving that Liberals and liberty have nothing in common.

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    17. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      It's f*cking amazing that a site full of IT geeks can't understand separation of powers or a default rule of deny all.

      That's an excellent point. You would think the 10th amendment would make it clear (as if it isn't already clear just from reading the main document) that the constitution is a whitelist of the few things the federal government MAY do, not a blacklist of the few things it can't. IT geeks ought to be able to tell the difference between a whitelist and a blacklist, but apparently not.

      The 10th amendment says: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

      There it is folks, they just declared a whitelist. If it isn't explicitly delegated to the federal government by the constitution, then the feds can't do it. I wish we could build a nice, special legislative firewall through which all congressional laws must flow, with the Constitution serving as the ACL. The congressional record would probably look like the logs on a primary Internet firewall: 10 million spurious packets (or outright attacks, because yes, some of these laws are attacks on our rights) blocked for every legitimate packet that gets through.

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    18. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Besides - consumers today change over from watching TV at decided times to use Video on Demand like Netflix and YouTube.

      In many cases they can at the same time avoid the annoying ads injected into the TV programs that are on broadcast. On the web - well, there you have adblock to clean up the crap.

      We are in the middle of a media transition phase where people changes their habits to do cherry picking and only pay for what they want to see.

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    19. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      Way to totally ignore the fact that there is a corrosive Left in this country which DESPISES anyone who doesn't share their opinions

      I'm curious. Do you have examples of people or instances, or it is just a general vibe you get from people?

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    20. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      My city forced me to mow my lawn, effectively forcing everyone to buy a lawn mower. It's no coincidence that the owner of the hardware store in most towns has tied to the town council.

      *wraps head in tinfoil*

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    21. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Feel free to ignore a century of Commerce Clause rulings at your own peril.

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    22. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      ...except that's your state. They're allowed to do that.
      The federal government is not.

      Au contraire, the ICC is a blank check. They can do anything they want.

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    23. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by jandjmh · · Score: 1

      The way the law is now written, the only way for the feds to collect the fine/tax if you don't pay is to withhold it from your tax refund. They are specifically prohibited from trying to collect by garnishing your wages, sucking it out of your back account or any other method. There is no criminal penalty either. You can't be arrested for not buying insurance.If you are a subsistence farmer living off grid there is no way they can make you to buy the insurance, and no way to penalize you if you don't. And you can still show up at an emergency room and get treated.
      The law is without a doubt designed to push folks towards buying - but "forced"? I don't think that is an accurate characterization

    24. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by CauseBy · · Score: 1

      Who's forcing anyone to buy anything?

      If you have health insurance you get a $600 tax break. If you don't, you pay a $600 tax.

      Similarly, if you adopt a child, you pay lower taxes than if you don't. Has anyone ever said that people are "being forced to adopt (buy) children"? No, and if they did, that would be preposterous and they would be laughed out of the country.

    25. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up

    26. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by ruir · · Score: 1

      Some cable companies here are already a step ahead of that, and provided with you with VoD services. The movies à la carte are paid, however the TV full programme of the last 7 days can be watched for free at will. The mobile apps are also free and work quite well, even better than the cable box. It is my opinion they won't go the mandatory TV route, they will either slap a mandatory tax on every Internet or utilities service and/or will stop by law unlimited usage and cap it to levels where it is not sustainable to watch video every day.

    27. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because if you're not with us then you are piece of shit racist. That is the way of your kind. You are a piece of shit. Anyone that doesn't oppose you is a piece of shit, by definition. You hate us and want us to die. Fuck you and the rest of your kind for wanting to kill us. Why do you hate us for fighting back against your wanting to kill us. You want us to die, so we oppose our own deaths. You Republicans are so stupid. So stupid. We want you to die because you want us to die. Why hate us for opposing our own deaths? Only a Republican would expect us to die without putting up a fight. Fuck you racists. Fuck you.

    28. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by gtall · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you go girl!! Tell the Federal Government to take the interstate highway system back. The States will rebuild it on their own. NiH? Shoot, which self-respecting state cannot do their own medical research. Mississippi will be at the head of the line, Alaska right behind. NHTSA? States are well positioned to investigate air crashes in their states, I hear NHTSA even goes to foreign countries to learn about how crashes occurred there...it's a gowd-awful waste of taxpayers money for them to make air travel safer in the U.S. by looking at foreign countries' accidents. NSF? Nope, don't need no stinking federal research dollars for research.

      Social Security? I think we'd all feel a lot better about our lives if Grandma could move in with us for the next 20 years of her life. Medicare? For Pete's Sake, money for health care for the blue haired? No one needs that!! It costs too much money, let'em rot. There is no need for anti-trust rules and investigations, we'd all be happier if there were only one software company, Satya knows all.

      Why, the list is endless of things the federal government should NOT be allowed to do. It is preventing us from establishing the dog-eat-dog society of Ayn Rand and her dyspeptic intellectual progeny, Rand Paul.

    29. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly right! They are constantly on forums trying to turn every topic toward partisan arguments and blaming the left for everything!!

      No.. Wait...

    30. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      But it wasn't ruled a tax break but instead a tax, but that was only after being ruled not a tax. So I conclude that we have either entered the time where we now have quantum law that can exist in multiple states at the same time or in reality the justices on the US Supreme Court have shown that they lack the mental power to create a logically consistent set of rulings and should all be removed from the court. The ACA ruling was especially bad example of this but others haven't exactly been good. How incompetent do you have to be to overturn your own ruling within the same decision?

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    31. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh!

    32. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by kilfarsnar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yea, I'm SURE the Republicans want to help the liberal Comcast, Disney, and TW... yea that's the ticket.

      It has nothing to do with "liberal" or "conservative". It's that they're all family. They all share the last name, "Inc.".

      Seriously, what idiot thinks corporations give a crap about liberal or conservative? If anyone was paying attention to the Republican debate, Donald Trump (of all people) broke it down for them. He gives money to everyone. He explained, on national TV, that he buys politicians as a matter of course. Left, right and center they take his money and are available when he needs something. And people still think I'm extreme when I say that this country is an oligarchy.

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    33. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Way to totally ignore the fact that there is a corrosive Left in this country which DESPISES anyone who doesn't share their opinions, and simply does not recognize their right to political representation. Did we just suddenly forget this?

      Oh, please. There is no Left in this country. The unions have been destroyed and Socialism is a dirty word. Even the supposed "left" party, the Democrats will not raise taxes on corporations or the wealthy in any significant way. They may talk about it, but they don't actually do it.

      Plenty of people despise those who don't share their opinions. No ideology has a monopoly on that.

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    34. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Whoosh!

      Really, woosh? Are we proving Poe's Law again?

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    35. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Feel free to ignore a century of Commerce Clause rulings at your own peril.

      You're right that it's ignored at one's own peril. But the commerce clause has been stretched beyond all recognition.

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    36. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 2

      He said the same thing you did, and his comment is a "jeer?" Wow.....

    37. Re: Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Tex-ass. I WANT the Feds to "take over". That's why I welcome our Jade Helm Overlords!

    38. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I need to figure this out pretty fast, but it looks to me like I'm saving $5/month by having TV as well as phone service and Internet service. Unfortunately, the basic TV package doesn't include Major League Baseball games, which is about the only use I'd find for it.

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    39. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      If making sense actually changed opinions, there wouldn't be any Republicans left in this country. Pissing into the wind, my friend.

    40. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      You can do your own doctoring, just like you can drive on your own roads.

      If you want to participate in the benefits of society, such as healthcare and maintained, safe roads and such, you pay your part. The biggest problem is the super rich and the corporations that have bought their way out of paying their part.

    41. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean plutocracy?

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    42. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix-AMYos0Js Jeremiah Wright "God Damn America".

      During the Vietnam War, it was SOP for leftists to cheer Viet Cong victories, especially if they involved American deaths.

      Hatred of a free America is almost exclusively a property of the American left.

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    43. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Unions are leftist and they're been destroyed because leftism is inherently self-destructive. That in no way implies that the people who have ruined their own lives through unionism have given up their suicidal beliefs.

      The US business environment is already well beyond the point where increased regulations and taxes obviously do damage to businesses, their employees and customers. Except for people as stupid and vicious as Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, acting to make things worse is unlikely to happen.

      Business taxes in the US are already the highest in the industrialized world. That's already a locally maximum leftist condition; are you implying that to really be "left" corporate taxes have to be raised indefinitely? If so, that reinforces the (correct) claim that a leftist can never be satisfied, meeting his demands only provides an opportunity for him to make worse demands.

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    44. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      If the Feds hadn't been stealing Grandma's money for the last 50 years, she could afford to pay for her own retirement.

      Let's assume we have a society of 10 people. Which society will generate more wealth, with which it can fund its retirement: the society where 10 people consume and 10 people work, or the society where 10 people consume, 9 people work and 1 person collects but does not invest a large portion of the other's production?

      If you're a leftist, you claim that the latter society is better, and you're either a liar or a fool.

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    45. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      ... the super rich ... have bought their way out of paying ....

      Are you too stupid to see your statement is self contradictory?

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    46. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      There are a bunch of case precedents that need to be readdressed. It's not really in the hands of the courts to correct them, it is up to the legislature. I've heard barely a peep out of them on this subject in several decades.

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    47. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by el_chicano · · Score: 1
      OP:

      thats [sic] funny being only one time in history have we been forced to buy anything, and its been done under obama [sic], a democrat [sic]

      You said:

      It's f*cking amazing that a site full of IT geeks can't understand separation of powers or a default rule of deny all.

      You must be a freaking mind reader because the OP said absolutely nothing about being forced to buy anything from the FEDERAL government.

      Let's try this again, Americans are forced to pay income taxes to the federal government, the first time it was done it was under Lincoln, a Republican.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_history_of_the_United_States#Pre-16th_Amendment

      As far as "a default rule of deny all" the Amendments to the Constitution can be looked at as ACLs above the default rule so you never actually reach the default rule.

      Better?

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    48. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      That is a bit more accurate, yes.

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    49. Re: Expect the Republicans to stop this... by LinuxLuver · · Score: 1

      The GOP are horrendous crony faux-capitalists. Just turn the TV off and leave it off. Life got much better when I did. More free time. Time to do things for me and my family.

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    50. Re: Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that the contribution should be to the federal coffers so that it pays into the system, not a series of shady deals with individuals who then ensure an environment where the large Corp isn't harassed for tax dollars.

    51. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moron

      1. There are no real penalties

      2. Not everyone has to. I know vets rated at 50%+ whose free care meets the standards.

      3. Costs don't go down if most people don't buy in. If there was a real penalty to not having insurance, costs would plummet

      4. If you use an ER and have no insurance, you are driving up the costs for everyone. Apparently, to you freedom means having the freedom to freeload off others.

    52. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      Nice translation, I have not heard it stated in "technish" before. 8-)

    53. Re:Expect the Republicans to stop this... by tedgyz · · Score: 1

      Yea, I'm SURE the Republicans want to help the liberal Comcast, Disney, and TW... yea that's the ticket.

      It has nothing to do with "liberal" or "conservative". It's that they're all family. They all share the last name, "Inc.".

      Seriously, what idiot thinks corporations give a crap about liberal or conservative? If anyone was paying attention to the Republican debate, Donald Trump (of all people) broke it down for them. He gives money to everyone. He explained, on national TV, that he buys politicians as a matter of course. Left, right and center they take his money and are available when he needs something. And people still think I'm extreme when I say that this country is an oligarchy.

      That is why I am jumping on the Bernie Sanders bandwagon. He is the only serious candidate that is avoiding big money. As a NH resident, I hope I can propel him to the top of his party ticket. My primary vote counts more than most. I just saw Bernie at a campaign speech. He is our only hope to begin breaking down the oligarchy.

      #Bernie2016

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  2. Don't worry! by Calydor · · Score: 2

    To quote Blizzard's management when WoW lost three million subscribers in a single quarter: "Don't worry, it's cyclical."

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    1. Re:Don't worry! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To a certain degree, cable sub numbers are a prone to cycles, although for different reasons than an MMO. With the former, there's a real trend towards only subbing for the two or three months while your favorite shows are airing, then cutting back until the next round of interesting stuff comes out. With the later, it's just normal for WoW to get huge bumps as new content or expansions come out, before dropping back down again.

      It's still bad news for both scenarios, since the overall trends are very much downward, but there is definitely a cycle to how it works.

      On the cable side of things, there's actually a lot of 'protection' built into sub numbers in most major markets, where you have dense housing (apartments usually) that has an existing contract with the cable company, and the price is bundled with the rent. In those cases, people literally can't choose to cancel that service, even if it's considered "basic cable." As housing markets continue to be screwed up (high prices, few options for first-time buyers), that sort of dense housing is going to be more common, and probably become a bigger part of the pie with costs getting passed down (once again!) to those less able to afford it.

    2. Re:Don't worry! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It means they'll run more advertisements....

    3. Re:Don't worry! by NormalVisual · · Score: 2

      To quote Blizzard's management when WoW lost three million subscribers in a single quarter: "Don't worry, it's cyclical."

      That reminded me of a scene in "This Is Spinal Tap", when the manager, Ian, told the band that their Boston gig was cancelled - "I wouldn't worry about it though, it's not a big college town."

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    4. Re:Don't worry! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More and more people are waking up to the fact that it's a grind fest and it's just not fun.

    5. Re:Don't worry! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I shall return in a couple of hours - and likely stoned. I have not seen that movie in years.

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    6. Re:Don't worry! by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Enjoy!

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    7. Re:Don't worry! by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 2

      "Don't worry, it's cyclical."

      In this case, I think it actually is cyclical. When the current cycle of forcing consumers to pay for 50 channels they don't want for each one that they do want ends, then there will be a new cycle of cable TV subscription increases.

      This isn't the death of pay TV, it's just the death of forcing people to pay for TV content they don't want. Let me buy just my top five favorite channels for $5-10 a month, and I'll sign up in a heartbeat. Until then, the cord remains clipped.

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    8. Re:Don't worry! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      It was every bit as awful as I remembered, thanks! I love that movie.

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    9. Re:Don't worry! by wwphx · · Score: 1

      I watched it again flying back to the states from Germany last month. Fun movie, pure schlock.

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    10. Re:Don't worry! by wwphx · · Score: 1

      We dropped WoW over a year ago and don't really miss it much. We bought Elder Scrolls, but even that we don't play much even though we enjoy it. Since we're going to cut our DirecTV when the new Apple TV comes out, we might start playing it again.

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      When you sympathize with stupidity, you start thinking like an idiot.
    11. Re:Don't worry! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watch ads, watch ads, watch ads, now spend your tv karma on getting to watch another few minutes of the show.

    12. Re:Don't worry! by torkus · · Score: 2

      Or rather...let me buy my *content* in a convenient way.

      Netflix streaming was great until they started removing lots of movies.

      Now the providers are fracturing the content between multiple services ... so you do kind of get the ala carte except you have to buy from a half dozen places. Oh, and fight with wonky interfaces that differ between them all. And you generally can't watch offline. And...so on.

      Or just torrent whatever you want for free of course. I killed off cable TV ~5 years ago and still don't miss it.

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      You can get rich if you own a politician, but you have to be rich to buy one in the first place.
    13. Re:Don't worry! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're buying a crapple TV, you still haven't learned.

  3. Internet rates just go up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The companies that own both cable TV and cable internet will be fine. They'll raise internet prices and use their monopoly on cable lines to keep out competitors.

    1. Re:Internet rates just go up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll raise internet prices and use their monopoly on cable lines to keep out competitors.

      The thing is, they already did that and they are still losing subscribers. It is sort of amazing - but for several of the cable companies it is cheaper to get internet and TV than it is to get just internet. What is that except for raising prices on internet to prevent people from ditching the TV subscription? Of course we all know about their local monopolies on infrastructure and last mile.

    2. Re:Internet rates just go up by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      The time will come when Title II regulation will mean we are going to cap the prices, just like we do electricity and other utilities.

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    3. Re:Internet rates just go up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prices are going to tank, not because of laws and regulations (that are owned by corporations), but because the cable monopoly is at an end. IPTV is here, and competition is going to kill these horrible "services" that bought exclusivity through the equally horrible political system. Booh fucking hoo I won't even bother kicking dirt on the grave of these horrible all profit nests of greed.

    4. Re:Internet rates just go up by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      Prices are going to tank, not because of laws and regulations (that are owned by corporations), but because the cable monopoly is at an end. IPTV is here, and competition is going to kill these horrible "services" that bought exclusivity through the equally horrible political system.

      And who's going to provide the "IP" part of "IPTV"? One of those companies that bought exclusivity?

    5. Re:Internet rates just go up by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Technically I have IPTV, but it requires a proprietary appliance. No more coax in the house, everything from my ISP is over Ethernet.

    6. Re:Internet rates just go up by torkus · · Score: 1

      Even your coax was pushing a digital signal. It's not exactly IPTV but it's not all different anyhow.

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  4. Poor Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When I cut earlier this year, I was spending $100 a month for the privilege of having comedy central on in the background every month. I didn't even have any movie channels. Just their 1000 channels of HD that I didn't care to watch. When I can get Netflix for $8, Hulu for $8, and HBO for $15, why do I want to spend $100 for 1000 channels I don't watch. It's actually cheaper for me to go and just buy the box sets of the shows I want to watch each year instead of watching them first run. (AMC's Walking Dead, Better Call Saul, for example).

    So, maybe cable can recoup their losses by offering something of commiserate value to what they are charging, or drastically drop their price to compete against other offerings in the field.

    1. Re:Poor Value by adamstew · · Score: 5, Informative

      I did this for a long time. I actually ended up buying the "season passes" for shows on iTunes and "multi passes" of The Daily Show and The Colbert Report. All told, i'd spend about $400 a year buying the HD versions of the shows on iTunes. The show's would be available to me the day after they aired on Cable. But I would own them, be able to watch them anytime, and they'd be commercial free. All for about half of what I was paying for cable each year.

    2. Re:Poor Value by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Do you really own what you "purchase" on iTunes, though? What if their authentication server permanently goes down?

    3. Re:Poor Value by TWX · · Score: 2

      We got rid of pay-TV a few years ago when we realized that most of what we watched was reruns of bad police procedurals. The straw that broke the camel's back was their taking Turner Classic Movies off of analog cable (that we had) and putting it exclusively on premium (at the time) HD. We did the math and we figured we could buy a whole season NEW on disc of a TV series for the cost of one month of cable. Used, two or three seasons easily.

      Not even accounting for the advantages of streaming it's still a good deal to get rid of cable TV unless you watch live TV like sports and need a live source that's otherwise unavailable.

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    4. Re:Poor Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $400 per year to watch just The Daily Show and Colbert Report? Seriously?

      I can't help but think that is an absolutely outrageous sum of money to watch a couple of satirical news, but then again, I haven't paid for a cable/satellite TV subscription in more than a decade.

    5. Re:Poor Value by adamstew · · Score: 1

      No. It was $400 per year for ALL of the shows I decided was worth my time to watch. It ended up being full seasons of 9 shows, including The Daily Show and Colbert Report.

    6. Re:Poor Value by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      I think the hard thing is making the leap into a situation that appears to cut you off from something you have now. That cable bill is a certainty that comes with a certainty. Ditching it means losing that... and there is ample evidence that people tend to optimize for avoiding loss more than for gain.

      In fact, with a little careful choice of scenarios its actually quite easy to demonstrate that majority opinion can be influenced simply by presentation of the same facts in terms of gains or losses. People consistently choose the option that is presented as minimizing losses.

      I had this issue for a long time with my cell phone. I had unlimited talk and data for a long time. Even after I realized it was silly, I wanted it "just in case". I still have unlimited talk but, we crushed the data down to the minimum.... between my wife and I we were not even using that! I realized if we had that and went over every other month, we would still make out...so we switched finally, but it took me a while to be comfortable with it.

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      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    7. Re:Poor Value by adamstew · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Given that I can only watch the stream of Cable TV for as long as I subscribe to cable, I would say that I own them much more so than the product I got from Cable TV. If I decide to stop buying new shows, I can still go back and rewatch the old ones as many times as I want. If I stop paying for cable I can't watch anything.

      Sure the authentication server could go down permanently, but at this point i've already watched and rewatched most of the shows multiple times over the last 5 years i've been doing this. I've also spent half as much doing this as I would've spent on cable. And I haven't had to deal with commercials.

      So far, I also don't see the sun setting on the iTunes store any time in the foreseeable future. If it did, however, I would expect to see a MUCH bigger outcry over the "purchases" people have done on iTunes disappearing. To the extent that it would actually bring the topic up to mainstream news and actually spark some debate and possible change to the laws about what is required to ensure that you can continue to enjoy your purchases in perpetuity. I would also expect people to work much more diligently about then cracking the iTunes DRM.

    8. Re:Poor Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should go with Comcast. I think you can purchase videos there, download them, and leave Comcast, and watch them later.

    9. Re:Poor Value by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      That cable bill is a certainty that comes with a certainty.

      We must have different cable companies.

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    10. Re:Poor Value by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Well then, that's just part of the bargain. As long as the consumer has informed consent it's all good. Of course people are notoriously good at kidding themselves or just plain not caring.

      Alternately you can view it as a system where you stockpile things that you like that can be watched on demand versus all sorts of garbage that's scheduled whenever someone else wants.

      Paying less for option A is still better even if it is a false sense of ownership.

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      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    11. Re:Poor Value by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      itunes you can download the show into itunes on a Mac or Windows computer and stream locally via your wifi to an apple TV, watch on the computer, watch offline on iphone or ipad. lots of ways without streaming over the internet and even then WTF are the chances of apple going out of business in the next 30 years with all the money they have? they are going even more into services now than selling devices

    12. Re:Poor Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can download iTunes video to local storage and watch it while offline.

      I'd say that's comparable level of ownership to owning the DVD's, which is about as much as one can own something like a video.

    13. Re:Poor Value by Nyder · · Score: 1

      I did this for a long time. I actually ended up buying the "season passes" for shows on iTunes and "multi passes" of The Daily Show and The Colbert Report. All told, i'd spend about $400 a year buying the HD versions of the shows on iTunes. The show's would be available to me the day after they aired on Cable. But I would own them, be able to watch them anytime, and they'd be commercial free. All for about half of what I was paying for cable each year.

      Not to mention they are in a better quality then you'd see if you had HD cable, mainly Comcast.

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    14. Re:Poor Value by dcollins · · Score: 1

      "I would say that I own them much more so than the product I got from Cable TV."

      No one ever makes the spurious claim that people "own" shows via cable TV. That's not the right word to use here, either, so you should stop doing so.

      --
      We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
    15. Re:Poor Value by laffer1 · · Score: 1

      But they have DRM and if apple's itunes can't auth, you can't watch. If you don't believe me, try to play it on a new computer or de-auth your existing one. After awhile, the authentication on the devices dies.

      I cache iTunes content locally because I've had music disappear in the store before that I bought. (prior to them going drm free on that) The album still plays with my files but apple doesn't have it anymore. I've never seen that happen with video, but it's certainly possible.

      If you have Disney content, you can get their app and then connect it to Google Play and iTunes. It gives you purchases in one on the other so you get a backup with an independent service.

      The new problem I have is storage. I'm at 5TB of iTunes content and apple got rid of internal drive bays. There is no mac to buy that can hold them and I'm hitting the limits of external hard drive enclosures too. Whatever I buy, I have to have a bigger drive for time machine to back it up too. (mac mini drive + ITMS drive == 5.5TB just for one snapshot)

      external raided enclosures get rather pricey.

    16. Re:Poor Value by LDAPMAN · · Score: 1

      Your not coming remotely close to the limits of external hard drive enclosures. See http://www.promise.com/us/prod... and http://shop.promise.com/index....

    17. Re:Poor Value by adamstew · · Score: 1

      Also, USB supports up to 127 devices on the bus. They make 8TB USB 3.0 external drives now. So, one 8tb drive short of 1 petabyte you can hook up via USB?

    18. Re:Poor Value by Xian97 · · Score: 1

      I do the same but get the DVD or Blu-Ray set instead of buying from iTunes. I can rip them to my Plex Media Sever and watch them on all of my devices.

    19. Re:Poor Value by KGIII · · Score: 1

      To be fair, you do not own any media really (unless you made it and not even then always). You license it for use in specific circumstances. If you owned it then you could charge others to see it (as well as other rights) which, well, is quite specifically not allowed normally. You just buy specific use rights and the medium that it is on - if any medium is used at all.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    20. Re:Poor Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You usually own it. iTunes is the rare exception where you really do agree to a contract before you're allowed access (it's a condition) but normally, and in a vast majority of cases, you own the media that you pay for.

      If you owned it then you could charge others to see it (as well as other rights) which, well, is quite specifically not allowed normally

      Wrong, at least in the US. The US constitution grants Congress a special power and Congress has passed laws saying what you are allowed to do, or not allowed to do, with the things that you own. Those laws are called "copyright." The do not change the fact that you own things; they just (sort of) undermine the meaning of ownership (but lots of laws do that; it's not exclusive to copyright).

      The question of whether you own versus license, is determined by the specifics of how you obtained it. When you go to a brick and mortar store and anonymously pay for something and have it handed to you without you ever agreeing to anything other than "here's the money," then you OWN that paperback book or that DVD or that underwear or that spaghetti. When a salesman says "sign this" before they'll take your money, or you have to use special software that makes you click "I agree" or something like that, then you have to read that big document to determine whether or not you're about to own the item in question. It might say you're still buying things, or it might say you are not, and that you are paying a licence fee instead.

      But that's how it is. Please do not spread that lie that people don't own media. It's more complicated than that. They usually do, but you're right that some people don't. It all comes down to the mechanics of the transaction, and theoretically the purchaser will always know which of the two things they're doing. (And when they don't really know, that's fodder for Trey and Matt to write stuff like "Human Centipad.")

    21. Re:Poor Value by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      I'd say that's comparable level of ownership to owning the DVD's, which is about as much as one can own something like a video.

      What the fuck?!

      Look here for a real example of "about as much as one can own something like a video." You can literally buy files here, and you aren't breaking any laws, or contract terms, if create or use your own player, or any player of your choice.

      It's sickening that anyone would think the iTunes store (or DVDs) are "about as much" as the real thing.

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      As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
    22. Re:Poor Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Far more important is that you know you are giving money to the artists and producers of content you enjoy.

      With cable it is like throwing $100 into a fan and hoping the people who make the shows you enjoy get some of it.

    23. Re:Poor Value by unrtst · · Score: 1

      Your not coming remotely close to the limits of external hard drive enclosures. See http://www.promise.com/us/prod... and http://shop.promise.com/index....

      GP said, "external raided enclosures get rather pricey", which you've proven. That Pegasus2 (promise) 4 bay, 4tb, raid array weighs in at $1,199.00. That thing actually has 4x 2tb drives, so I suspect it could be configured in RAID5 for ~6tb of usable space, but that's still over a grand for that.

      The inexpensive way to go is to use a dumb enclosure. For example:
      * $99 - 4 bay USB3.0 & eSATA by mediasonic: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...
      * $269 - 8 bay USB3.0 & eSATA : http://www.newegg.com/Product/...

      Or go a bit more pro level but get it used. For example, a Dell MD1000 for $199 with 15 SAS/SATA bays: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-P... ... throw in a bunch of 3tb WD Red's at about $120 each, and come out far below the price of that promise stuff.

    24. Re:Poor Value by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Even still, unless you can do things like sell copies of it to other people - do you own it?

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    25. Re: Poor Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to Dell 2TB drives are the limit.
      http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/powervault-md1000/pd

  5. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Good. Let's just hope they don't destroy too much of the internet on their way out.

    1. Re:Good by gnupun · · Score: 1

      1% drop does not mean dying but they have reached the peak. The broadcast medium, like cable and satellite, is very suitable for high-bandwidth content like HD TV shows and movies compared to the resource intensive unicast model of the internet TV.

    2. Re:good by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      To be replaced by the telcos. You know, that whole power-vacuum thing.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    3. Re:good by circletimessquare · · Score: 2

      telcos and cable companies, fuck them both

      replace them with state owned equipment, that private companies lease fractionally to provide services

      genuine capitalist competition, rather than oligarchic corruption

      as with many issues today, there is a problem in what people identify as the market in question, and what needs to be regulated for the market to work

      where there is a natural monopoly: the cables in the ground, the state owns that. who pays for it? any company that wants to fractionally lease the cables, to provide services someone might want to pay for

      similar to how the state currently leases radio spectrum to broadcasters and cell phone companies

      yay capitalism: only possible with good regulation

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      intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    4. Re:Good by tepples · · Score: 1

      Which of the following is more efficient?
      A. Requiring all users to purchase a DVR to store scripted shows between time of broadcast and time of viewing.
      B. Serving them on demand from a CDN box colocated in the ISP's datacenter.

    5. Re:good by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      ...replace them with state owned equipment...

      Yes, the state should do infrastructure. We just have to find the politicians that will do it and vote for them. With the present bunch there is no hope. They have their orders, and as long as they can count on our votes, well, let's just say we're voting for the telcos and cable companies.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    6. Re:Good by gnupun · · Score: 1

      Option (A) is definitely cheaper. It just needs much bigger capacity hard disks, say 5 to 10 TB for the DVR.

      Option (B) would require all ISPs entering the TV industry. What if your ISP was small and did not provide TV content? Having local CDNs would also be a huge investment, but you would be able to get any content you want, when you want and perhaps at a higher resolution than cable/satellite. Can the ISP transmit separate 1080p shows to all customers at the same time without taxing their equipment?

      What would be rough cost of building a local content CDN for a city of say 200,000 population?

      There is also the issue of piracy. If movies/TV shows are sent through the internet and played on some sort of computer, there is a greater chance of piracy and so the content studios won't use the internet unless there is a DRM box like a DVR ensuring content is not stolen.

    7. Re:good by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      they depend upon most people just accepting their malice in order to succeed. your cynicism is what they need. congratulations, you're part of the problem

      there's always people with bad intent in the world. what always blows my mind is the spineless self-defeating sort like yourself that simply accepts it when they rape you. you never put up a fight

      i'm not asking you to man the ramparts. i'm simply asking you to say "this is wrong, and i don't accept it" rather than your current state of "there is no help coming and so we must accept being raped" no. help yourself, moron

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      intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    8. Re:good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear you, but we need politicians that don't scream 'Heil Koch!!!" at the top of their lungs.

    9. Re:good by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      i never understood people who come at this problem from the point of view of the corrupted, and never from the point of view of the corruptor

      you can always find corruptible people

      the point is to go after the corruptors

      i'm not saying that's easy now or that we have that legal framework now. but that is what is needed to solve this problem

      maybe with a big enough stink- which is coming, considering what unchecked corruption is doing to the usa

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      intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    10. Re:good by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      ..your cynicism is what they need. congratulations, you're part of the problem

      Not mine. I vote for other people, not the incumbent. Once again you prove to me what a moron you are. Try your trolling somewhere else. You are the cynic that reelects crooked politicians in some fantasy hope that this time they won't break their promises. You sell your vote to the higher bidder. The politician reflects your corruption, not the telcos. YOU are supporting the telcos with your vote! YOU give them the power through your politician! Simply saying *This is wrong* is just crybaby bullshit without backing it up with your vote, and it epitomizes what submissive wimps you are. You make the republicans look a little less awful. Luckily there are other people on the ballot. See, I also do the primaries. Nope, you are the little weasel in this crowd, trying to play some superiority guilt on people who won't follow your tired old bullshit. Thanks again for reconfirming why we are in this mess! You are what makes the situation hopeless!

      *You'll dance to anything*

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    11. Re:good by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Mod points. If I'd had some, you'd have some.

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    12. Re:good by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Quit your bellyachin' and stop voting for the corrupt who take the money! You only enable them. When you reward the corrupt, you shouldn't complain about them.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    13. Re:good by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      the corruptor is the problem you moron

      the corrupted is a long list that never ends

      you can't magically vote for whomever seems virtuous according to arbitrary "signs" you dumb shit

      that isn't possible, for a voter to gauge a candidate's true character from a distance

      you criminally go after the assholes that would corrupt AND you jail the corrupted when they fall. but the fight begins with the assholes who offer your government plata o plomo. they are the root of the problem

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    14. Re:good by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You are the corruptor. You reward crooks who take the money with your votes because you expect a little something for yourself. Then you reelect them again and again despite the lies they tell you.. You are such a typical blame passing idiot. Really! One of the worse I have bumped into around here, and a nasty troll besides! You won't admit that your choices cause this. This is your fault. Man the fuck up!

      Nah, fuck it, you ain't serious...

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    15. Re:good by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      i remember you now. just stop responding to my comments please. i don't want to interact with you. usually i don't pay attention to names on comments but you're a particularly nasty piece of shit who always goes thuggish interpersonal instead of keeping it on topic. i'll try to remember your name and not respond to you anymore

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      intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    16. Re:good by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Sorry pal, gotta stop the bullshit where it starts. You are a complete moron on this matter. You don't have to respond. I almost prefer you don't. In fact, you should go find yourself a little echo chamber somewhere else if you don't want to be called out for all your stupid propaganda. No, this is for other people to see what an idiot you are. And hopefully they won't fall into the same trap and feed your trolling. Yes, you are indeed one of the worse. I shall shine the light on your idiocy while you keep on with your stupid, greedy little blame passing charade. Fuck that! So, deal with it!

      And if you don't want corrupt politicians in office, stop voting for them, you dumbshit! You are the one enabling the corruption! Stop denying that you are the corrupt one looking for favorable treatment and privileges. I know the type, and you fit right in. Actually you're not covering up stupidity, you are trying to cover up your own greed. Shame on you! You know the saying, Stupid is as stupid does. Sure does apply to you. and greedy too!

      thankyouverymuch

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  6. A comparison would be good by Daetrin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How are Hulu and Netflix doing? Even better, how is HBO doing now that they've made HBO Go available without a cable subscription?

    I'm currently paying for both Hulu and Netflix (and also Crunchyroll) and i'm thinking of picking up HBO Go. I have no problem paying for the content i want, it's the hassle of dealing with the cable company plus paying for a lot of crap that i don't want that's the problem.

    My big gripe at the moment is SyFy. For the first time since they changed their name to something that sounds like a venereal disease they're producing content that i'm actually interested in. But i can't watch it because even though they're posting it to Hulu they're requiring that you have a cable subscription to view it. I don't know if this is stupidity on their part or some kind of legal tangle they just can't free themselves from, but i _want_ to watch their stuff and i'm willing to pay them, either directly or indirectly, but they just won't let me.

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    1. Re:A comparison would be good by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2

      How are Hulu and Netflix doing? Even better, how is HBO doing now that they've made HBO Go available without a cable subscription?

      It's an interesting time to be a cable subscriber. I called Comcast to cancel my HBO & Starz from my cable service since both Game of Thrones & Outlander were finished. They told me I could keep them both for just $1 a month each for 2 years, so I decided to keep them. They're desperate to keep the customers they already have.

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      Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
    2. Re:A comparison would be good by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Netflix had 50 million subscribers this time last year now they have 65 million sounds pretty good to me.

      Hulu thinks they are too good for my money and I will not be bothered looking up their stats.

      Hbo go is estimated to have around a million subscribers but I was unable to find any real numbers.

      Crunchyroll had 400,000 subscribers as of 2014.

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    3. Re:A comparison would be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, even if you have a cable subscription, their SyFy Now is the most horrible of services available. It's completely unresponsive, difficult to navigate and unreliable when you actually find what you want. On top of that, when you find a show you like, all the commercials are for the most recent episodes of the shows so you get nothing but spoilers for every commercial. Made me want to pirate just their shows.

      And SyFy does something funky to my TiVo where I'm unable to fast forward or rewind through any of their show. I don't WANT to hear the opening song for the 50th time! Let me fast forward through it!!!

    4. Re:A comparison would be good by sheetsda · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They're desperate to keep the customers they already have.

      Procedure for lowering ISP bill:

      - Research introductory price from local competing ISPs with same speed (cable vs. DSL, etc...)
      - Call current ISP, select billing from the phone menu.
      - Tell Person1 you want them to match the other ISP's introductory price.
      - Person1's job is to make you go away so they will put you on hold for 5 minutes. Don't go away.
      - Person1 will return and tell you they can't match the price.
      - Tell Person1 you'd like to cancel.
      - Person1 will transfer you to Person2 in the billing department.
      - Tell Person2 you've found a cheaper rate and would like to cancel.
      - Person2 will keep you on hold for 10 minutes to see if you'll go away, occasionally returning with progressively lower rates but still above the competing rate. Don't go away. Don't accept anything above than the competing rate.
      - Person2 will "find" a lower rate equal to the competing ISP's introductory rate for 1 year
      - Wait 1 year, repeat.

      I have done this 3 times with a success rate of 100% on RoadRunner. Average annual savings = $180.

      The most recent time I was already on an introductory rate ($45/mo for 30 megabit) but found an even lower intro ($34/mo for same) rate at the competing ISP. Person1 had the audacity to say "I think you're already getting a pretty good rate". I was tempted to not even give them the opportunity to keep my subscription at that point.

    5. Re:A comparison would be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See, the thing is...

      It costs like $35 per season of television to buy the show on DVD, iTunes, or Amazon Video. And I don't have to call them up every year and play the "i'm going to cancel game", nor do I have to tune in at any specific time to see the shows.

      At the introductory rates that still means I could watch between 12 and 24 shows each year and be over paying compared to buying the episodes on iTunes even after getting the crybaby discount.

      it gets even worse when you start including things like the free streaming content that comes with my unrelated Amazon prime membership, or services like Netflix which are both all you can eat on demeand and now putting out their own content.

      Simply put broadcast TV is over priced for the service it provides and likely doesn't belong in a modern media market.

    6. Re:A comparison would be good by tepples · · Score: 1

      Research introductory price from local competing ISPs with same speed (cable vs. DSL, etc...)

      When such competing ISPs do not exist, such as 25 Mbps cable when the competition is 3 Mbps DSL or 10 GB/mo satellite, does this price include the cost of moving your family and finding a new job?

    7. Re:A comparison would be good by Snotnose · · Score: 1

      I did this a couple months ago with Uverse. What happened?

      1) Turns out I have to swap out my equipment because I cancelled and am now a "new customer"
      1a) You can't carry over recorded shows from one DVR to the next. This is sorta expected even though it's stupid.
      1b) You can't carry over your list of what to record from one DVR to the next. This is beyond stupid, especially as Uverse obsoletes their DVRs regularly.
      2) Guy shows up to swap out my equipment, unplugs everything, says he has to go outside to check a line issue. He never comes back.
      3) Guy had given me a card with both his and his boss' text number. Texted him to say don't come back, texted his boss with a WTF
      4) Next day I've got one of their best installers installing stuff.
      4a) Also get one of their best outdoor wiring guys to look into my connection issues
      4b) They upgrade me to the latest and greatest, which uses my phone line instead of coax.
      4c) The boss shows up to make sure everything is going well.
      4d) Boss waives the $100 installation fee.
      4e) All told, I had 2 guys here for about 6 hours changing wiring and doing stuff outside
      5) 4 weeks later I go to pay my bill. I owe $4. Whoopie!
      5a) 4 weeks later I go to pay my bill. I owe $0. Um, hmmm
      5b) 2 weeks later I check my bill, it says my account has been cancelled. Uh oh.
      5c) Call Uverse, turns out I have a new login that nobody told me about. I owe $250 or so, past due over 30 days. crap.

      The upshot? I've got pretty good TV for under $100/month. The downside? The UVerse DVR has some stupid ass bugs, the top 3-4 levels of their QA department need to be fired for either incompetence or negligence, and the lower tiers need training in either how to recognize stupid ass bugs, or how to raise the issue with upper management when they're found.

    8. Re:A comparison would be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you're going to use iTunes, Amazon, and Netflix you may want to read the GP more carefully for its advice on lowering your ISP bill.

    9. Re:A comparison would be good by adolf · · Score: 2

      My experience is much the same as yours: The folks on the phone don't know their dick from a screwdriver, but the local guys (especially the local boss-man) can be very competent with excellent attention to detail and who refuse to ever give up on solving a problem.

      It's too bad that the brass at AT&T are so insistent stifling their service from the top down.

    10. Re:A comparison would be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been able to move my TiVo between Comcast and Verizon FiOS without losing my recordings nor my list of shows record: one of the benefits of a 3rd party DVR.

    11. Re:A comparison would be good by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      What is the value of the free time you spent saving $180?

      If it's even a hour I would be losing money.

    12. Re:A comparison would be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried that with charter internet (cable). I threatened to go to U-Verse. I even threatened to cancel and I'm pretty sure they believed me. I even spoke to a supervisor. Nothing. I may yet change, but well, by the time you factor in the AT & Fees miscellaneous crap, you end up like within 10 or so a month. My complaint with Charter is they now have a one size fits all package, which is annoying.. I don't really need 100Mb.

      As far as TV goes, there is very little keeping me paying for it anymore. Perhaps Trevor Noah will justify my subscription. Colbert is going to regular TV. CNN is on audio streams, and not that great anyway. The home shows can be entertaining at times, but not really that much. Much of the rest is flat out garbage.

      The sad thing is there has been so many quality TV shows and movies produced in my lifetime that could be being played, but then you look at what is actually playing and it is pathetic. Worse, they often repeat the same shows over and over, since I suppose they have payed for them recently...

    13. Re:A comparison would be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but nothing can include the cost of being a fucking dumbass and introducing strawmen into a conversation. Choose to live in a rural area, choose to have limited selections of everything, including ISPs.

    14. Re:A comparison would be good by danaris · · Score: 1

      Perhaps Trevor Noah will justify my subscription.

      You know The Daily Show is available for free from its website, right?

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    15. Re:A comparison would be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This did not work with Comcast the last time I tried. They genuinely did not give a shit.

      Granted, that was about 5 years ago and FIOS was just getting off the ground for competition, so they may have changed their tune since.

    16. Re:A comparison would be good by houghi · · Score: 1

      How this works in Belgium:
      -Research the price from competing ISP.
      -Get the subscription at the new ISP. Prodcedure includes a cancel at the old ISP.

      If you threaten to go to the competition, they will explain you how the cancel procedure works.

      And still the majority of people will not look at the price closely enough.

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    17. Re:A comparison would be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When such competing ISPs do not exist, such as 25 Mbps cable when the competition is 3 Mbps DSL or 10 GB/mo satellite, does this price include the cost of moving your family and finding a new job?

      You should have already done that ;)

    18. Re:A comparison would be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't make $180/hr. Tard.

    19. Re:A comparison would be good by antdude · · Score: 1

      Not over here. Cable has the monopoly for fast affordable Internet. No DSL, FIOS, etc. :(

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    20. Re:A comparison would be good by RandomFactor · · Score: 1

      I suspect your situation is common (it matches me, down the the services mentioned...and yeah, what is up with SyFy being blocked....?) Catering to the cableTV cutters just makes sense. Even people that aren't interested in managing media systems and multiple services can go down the Roku et al. road and have a simpler, cheaper, and in some ways superior, experience to what the cable companies provide.

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    21. Re:A comparison would be good by nanoflower · · Score: 1

      I've never heard of anyone having to wait like that. Now if you deal with the normal billing CSR there's not much they can do but if you either say you want to cancel or just ask for retention then you're talking to the people that can make these deals. In my case I just told them that my contract was up, my bill had gone up significantly and the competition was offering more for this much. They were able to match the price without any argument. In my case that saved me $50 a month (triple play bundle) but in other case it could be even more as I've seen triple play bundles in some areas go for as low as $90/month.

      The key being they hate the churn. Losing a customer costs them a lot of money as they know they may never get that customer back and gaining a new customer takes a lot of work since most people are loath to switch providers unless something is really wrong with their current provider.

    22. Re:A comparison would be good by tepples · · Score: 1

      Is this true even if your IP address isn't associated with a valid pay TV subscription?

    23. Re:A comparison would be good by lexman098 · · Score: 2

      The most recent time I was already on an introductory rate ($45/mo for 30 megabit) but found an even lower intro ($34/mo for same) rate at the competing ISP. Person1 had the audacity to say "I think you're already getting a pretty good rate". I was tempted to not even give them the opportunity to keep my subscription at that point.

      Maybe he was right. And if another company was offering the same for less, maybe you should have taken them up on it instead of giving your business to the ones that make you wait on hold for an hour every year. Never price-match. Reward the companies that are providing the lower price to begin with.

    24. Re: A comparison would be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something to think about : SyFy is one of those channels the most people don't want. It just gets bundled in, and that's how SyFy gets the money to produce the shows you like. They are benefiting from the status quo, and they might have to charge you a lot of money if they were totally independent.

      You will always have to pay for things you don't watch, and that helps to build niche programming.

    25. Re:A comparison would be good by danaris · · Score: 1

      Is this true even if your IP address isn't associated with a valid pay TV subscription?

      Seems to be for me. I haven't had a cable TV subscription for nearly 4 years now (since I last moved), and I've barely missed an episode.

      You can even watch it without ads with Adblock in Chrome, or by downloading it with youtube-dl. (I'm sure there are other ways that work, too; those are just the ones I've used successfully.)

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    26. Re:A comparison would be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love when you douchebags come on here to talk about how much money you make. We're glad you make $400k+. Go find a forum for people like you and stop slumming it with the rest of us. Go choke on a dick, too.

    27. Re: A comparison would be good by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      A quick search seems to indicate that SyFy is hyping five new shows for their upcoming season. The Expanse is being promoted as "one of the biggest TV deals ever". I doubt it's in the same league as Game of Thrones, which gets $6 million an episode, but let's highball it and go $5 million an episode. Let's then presume that the others cost less, and the average for all 5 shows is $2.5 million an episodes. The norm these days is 10 episodes a season, and let's presume these shows are reasonable well spread out over the year, so people will actually be willing to keep a subscription going full time.

      That puts the total production costs at $125 million a year. Which means if they charged $10 a month they'd need to get just over a million viewers to cover production costs. According to current ratings they have 1.28 million viewers, so if they could get everyone to switch over it would be feasible. (And people who didn't switch over would continue to supply revenue through whatever the current system is.) I'm not sure what the overhead is, including rebroadcasting costs for older shows, so it might be more reasonable to bump that up to $15 a month. On the other hand that's not counting any other sources of income they have.

      So if the new shows are actually everything they're claiming it seems an entirely reasonable price.

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    28. Re:A comparison would be good by sheetsda · · Score: 1

      A fair point. In my case the amount of time spent on the phone with them is smaller than the amount of time necessary to schedule and be home for installation of the competing product. Consequently I'd prefer to not switch if they make everything else equal.

    29. Re:A comparison would be good by sheetsda · · Score: 1

      Usually takes about 20 minutes, so if you can make $540 per hour doing something else, by all means do that and direct your personal assistant/concierge to lower your ISP bill - you're certainly not paying them $540 per hour. And if you do I would like to show you my resume...

    30. Re:A comparison would be good by Reziac · · Score: 1

      My mom did that with phone/long distance rate plans for years, and generally paid about 1/4th the standard rate as a result.

      Then she did it with cellphones until she wound up on a permanent plan no one can beat.

      I've attempted it with my ISP, and got about a 50% reduction as a result. But I did have to fib a bit about the one available alternative (which exists but would be very costly to bring in).

      It's a good tactic when competition exists. Not so great when it doesn't. :(

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    31. Re:A comparison would be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and spend 4 hours on the phone each time.

  7. Try focusing on keeping subscribers by jafiwam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they spent their time keeping subscribers happier rather than cannibalizing subscribers of other types of service they wouldn't be losing so much.

    The NUMBER ONE difference in cost between services comes from moving from one to another.

    If my monthly bill didn't slowly creep up after a couple of years, I wouldn't be forced to move to something else. Instead of whoring out for "new bundles", just offer a lower price. 99% of the people moving service don't want to or have to because of coverage, but do because they can save $60 a month with a new "introductory" bundle somewhere else.

    Also there is this strange resistance to allowing users to pick what they want to watch and pay for only that. Believe it or not, some people don't want four channels of QVC, and they'd rather pay the $8 for the weather channel (or whatever) instead of $22 for a bunch of shit along with the weather channel.

    1. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The greater part of the cost is the delivery infrastructure. There is a significant economy of scale when it comes to content.

      It is a whole lot cheaper for them to bake a bunch of crap you don't want in than it is for them to allow you to discriminate on a per-channel basis. That's part of why their model is doomed.

      The Internet is a superior delivery mechanism. Complete conversion to it is just a matter of time.

    2. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by H3lldr0p · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The entertainment industry has a long history of ignoring their customers and trying to dictate what is popular.

      For a short time, relatively speaking, they've been able to figure out how to do that and reaping a huge profit while it was happening. The amount of money was so big it blinded them to how the world and their markets were changing. Instead, these industries focused and focused again on how to industrialize (for lack of a better term) popularity of a few things. That is to say the popularity of "Boy Bands" in the '90s wasn't a complete accident and that yes, if you thought there was a formula for them there is indeed is.

      At this point, much of the upper brass in these companies are so entrenched into these methods of profit that they can't see how to get out and maintain their power structures. It's not just the profits that they've become used to. It's also their position. Which is only human. They perceive that they've worked hard to become VP or Pres of their current company and their actions aren't going to disrupt that even if it means long term their industry will survive.

      For what it's worth, these companies will continue to discount the success of Netflix and others simply because to do otherwise would likely imperil their current position. Change, will only occur when the companies are facing complete ruin, if it happens at all. Until such time that we see TW or Sony winding up their studio arms, I don't think we'll see them adapting.

    3. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      The entertainment industry has a long history of ignoring their customers and trying to dictate what is popular.

      That's what happens in industries with government-granted monopolies. What are their customers going to do? Go to one of their competitors when they want to watch Game Of Downton Abbey? Oops, copyright, you lose.

    4. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by jandrese · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The cost is the elephant in the room. Cable has gotten very expensive and the alternatives are so much cheaper. Plus far too many cable channels have dropped their interesting programming for cheap reality programming. How many historical documentaries does the History Channel show now? How much Sci-Fi can you find on SyFy? Animal planet now advertises how "human" they are. How many cooking channels do we really need? The worst part is some of the best new shows are coming out on streaming services like Netflix. The industry still has not realized that their shortsighted greed has doomed them in the long run.

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    5. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I think it's a whole series of things. Like you said, they keep trying to push up the monthly fee one way or another, and they don't let you do a la carte. They also pretty much force you to get their cable boxes and DVRs, which they also charge you a monthly fee for. And those cable boxes and DVRs suck. They feel like 15 year old tech, and they constantly break. They're big and bulky, and make a lot of heat and noise for something that seems slower and less powerful than my mobile phone.

      And you have no choices. You're pretty much tied to your ISP, and you might have no other choices in your area. Or if you're lucky, there might be a choice between FIOS and your cable provider. Either way, the customer service will be atrocious. And you can't just watch your shows on demand, unless it's one of the few shows they're offering on demand or you set your DVR ahead of time. While you're paying for all these channels that you may not want, they keep degrading the quality of them. The History Channel isn't historical. The Learning Channel doesn't involve learning. And then on top of all this, even though you're paying a huge monthly fee, you still have to watch advertising.

      There's only so much shittiness you can heap onto a product before people stop buying it.

    6. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "The greater part of the cost is the delivery infrastructure. There is a significant economy of scale when it comes to content."

      The QUALITY of the delivery infrastructure is a significant part of the problem. It's a lot easier to deliver fast internet over cable than it is to deliver tolerable video content. My rural cable provider has endless problem with TV channels that freeze, lose audio, and pixilate. A little winter snow clogs the dishes over which the company receives its feed, and so do summer storms. Through all this their broadband service over the same cable plugs steadily away ay 80M down, 8M up, 28 msec ping. I'm moving toward cord cutting because the technology itself works better than receiving the same content as cable video.

    7. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      The QUALITY of the delivery infrastructure is a significant part of the problem. It's a lot easier to deliver fast internet over cable than it is to deliver tolerable video content. My rural cable provider has endless problem with TV channels that freeze, lose audio, and pixilate. A little winter snow clogs the dishes over which the company receives its feed, and so do summer storms. Through all this their broadband service over the same cable plugs steadily away ay 80M down, 8M up, 28 msec ping. I'm moving toward cord cutting because the technology itself works better than receiving the same content as cable video.

      I.e., if they could get the TV shows over the same wire/fibre that delivers the Internet, or another such wire/fibre, cable video would work fine for you, so the delivery infrastructure with the quality problems is the infrastructure that delivers the TV channels to the cable company?

    8. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by stackOVFL · · Score: 2

      SyFy just had Megalodon vs Robo Shark on! The acting was so bad it caused physical pain.

    9. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by tlhIngan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The cost is the elephant in the room. Cable has gotten very expensive and the alternatives are so much cheaper. Plus far too many cable channels have dropped their interesting programming for cheap reality programming. How many historical documentaries does the History Channel show now? How much Sci-Fi can you find on SyFy? Animal planet now advertises how "human" they are. How many cooking channels do we really need? The worst part is some of the best new shows are coming out on streaming services like Netflix. The industry still has not realized that their shortsighted greed has doomed them in the long run.

      Well, the cost is increasing, because the Internet has actually cut into cable cash cow - paid pornography. It used to consist of basically all the revenue in the cable system - it was popular and raked it in. So naturally, cable companies are trying to recoup that revenue since well, with the Internet, who pays for porn?

      As for the reality programming - you can blame the a la carte threat for that. With cable bundling channels, you could have History and Discovery getting money in and having those speciality channels "that no one watches" concentrate on programming.

      But with a la carte being threatened and unbundling the rule, guess what? Those channels now have to compete for eyeballs. And when you're competing for eyeballs, you go with what those eyeballs wand to see - i.e., dramatic reality. It goes for all of History, Discovery, even SyFy who realized that SciFi doesn't bring in eyeballs.

      Netflix can bring in "good" programming because the programming brings in subscribers. Netflix doesn't need eyeballs. They need subscribers because subscribers mean revenue.

      So Netflix does a whole bunch of market research as to who are the people Netflix needs to attract - more attract new subscribers, and see what the general subscribers want to keep them.

      You, Netflix subscriber, are in that "Netflix audiences want to watch" category, which is why all the new Netflix programming interests you. Netflix is catering to you in order to keep you paying them money.

      If Netflix decides next year that a big group of subscribers will be angry teenagers who hate everything, well, next year's programming will concentrate on programming that interests them.

      This is not likely to change anytime soon - Netflix knows the average cable subscriber will not likely subscribe to their service, so there's no need to commission dramatic reality shows, so they won't waste money trying to attract a group of people that won't subscribe anyways.

      Also, Netflix is in the binging phase - you can bet if they know subscribers watch just the new shows then leave, they'll move to the one-episode-per-week style of programming so they can stretch a subscription across several months.

    10. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      I can't assume that delivery of the channels to the cable company is the whole problem.

    11. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by harrkev · · Score: 1

      Downton Abbey is on PBS. All you need is an antenna, and you can have it for FREE!

      I have gotten pretty good as reducing monthly expenses. I built a home theater PC with four tuners connected to an antenna. I pay for basic Netflix streaming + 2 DVDs per month. My internet is naked DSL from a company that does not throttle bandwidth (CenturyLink), and I use MagicJack for phone ($30 per year). My total for everything is under $60/month for phone, internet, and TV. Comcast would happily sell me something similar for around $100/month (for the first year, price goes to $500/month after that).

      I would like to get some more channels like SciFi (or SyFy, or ScyFye, or whatever), and Discovery, but it is not worth $50/month for a bundle that includes those.

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    12. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by Guy+Harris · · Score: 2

      I can't assume that delivery of the channels to the cable company is the whole problem.

      So what might be the rest of the problem?

      I'm guessing from "pixilate" that it's digital cable, so you're probably getting the DOCSIS MAC layer for Internet access and your TV programs multiplexed over MPEG-2 transport, and maybe whatever's running on top of IP (TCP, whatever's running on top of UDP) can cope with a bad cable infrastructure from the head end to your home than can the MPEG-2 Part 2 for the TV, if that's another part of the problem.

    13. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by losfromla · · Score: 1

      And then on top of all this, even though you're paying a huge monthly fee, you still have to watch advertising.

      I agree with everything you said, but this is really the kicker isn't it? It really adds insult to injury, more so since with Netflix you don't have that problem.

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    14. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You make some good points! A few more:

      Lack of quality programming. Most of the new shows and movies are trash that is not worth watching.

      The fact that on many channels there are now more minutes of commercials than minutes of show/movie per hour.

      The fact that cable and satellite TV are vastly overpriced.

      The fact that the ads are getting stupider and more annoying all the time.

    15. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by jandrese · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This doesn't make any sense. Alacarte has not seriously been on the table ever, certainly not back with the explosion of reality programming. If you wanted to blame the writers strike on for this it may have made some sense, but saying that all of the channels ruined themselves because people briefly talking about something that wasn't going to happen is just crazy talk.

      Here is a thought exercise. What if every channel was like Netflix? If you thought they were making good content you would simply subscribe. Netflix has shown that you can make good original programming on a relatively modest monthly price, and they're paying for a whole lot of licenses on top of that original programming. Imagine if there was a Sci-Fi service that made only Sci-Fi series and you could subscribe. Imagine a food/cooking service. Or a history service. Or even paid 24 hour news. Would you still spend $100 a month on traditional cable with hundreds of channels stuffed full of worthless reality programming? This is what disruptive technology looks like.

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    16. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by imboboage0 · · Score: 1

      I can definitely level with this. Last year I was working with an SD TV, while my roommate had an HD TV. In spite of obvious quality differences, mine was easier to use because the interface was phenomenally faster. It's a sad state of affairs.

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    17. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      I simply choose not to watch them "now".

      For example, I can skip a year and then watch everything I missed with the included on demand services.

      Or buy them on DVD-- cheaper than paying for cable in many cases.

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    18. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by Bengie · · Score: 1

      with the Internet, who pays for porn?

      http://arstechnica.com/busines...

    19. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      I subscribe to Netflix for one or two months a year, when new episodes of House of Cards or Daredevil are available. In those months I can watch basically everything Netflix exclusive that I am interesting in.

      Current TV networks couldn't survive on that. They are built around offering 90% shit and 10% good stuff that gets released at a rate of one episode per week to keep you paying out for the rubbish. What we really need to do is get rid of the networks, and instead have companies that just provide TV shows and sell them on a market place like Steam.

      New series of , $2.50 for 12 episodes, one off payment. If the price seems low consider that a month of Netflix is what, $10 and provides much more than just one show. Sorry, but your DRM infested digital download is not worth as much as a Bluray box set, but on the plus side it costs you a lot less too.

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    20. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect you're underestimating how profitable it has been to increase rates for customers who aren't paying attention. The quarterly earning seeking CEOs have been ignoring the disgruntled customers or trying to appease them by lowering rates after dickering and have been taking the rest to the bank. Now that behavior has come home to roost. Meanwhile, those CEOs have been getting their bonuses for 30 years and their companies have banked those profits for 30 years. Was it worth it? Probably. They'll lose customers to competition now, and their businesses are being cannibalized by technology, but treating customers well for the last 30 years probably wouldn't stop customers going to competing, more compelling businesses anyway.

    21. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > That's what happens in industries with government-granted monopolies.

      I was wondering why there was no competition like Netflix, Hulu, Crackle, Roku, HBO Go, and the like. It must be because of that evil gub'ment.

    22. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Believe it or not, some people don't want four channels of QVC, and they'd rather pay the $8 for the weather channel (or whatever) instead of $22 for a bunch of shit along with the weather channel.

      You're assuming that all channels would cost the same in an a-la-carte system. That's certainly NOT the case. Right now your National Geographic, Discovery or cultural channel is being heavily subsidized by the live sports subscribers. If it wasn't for ESPN, your cultural channel would cost hundreds of dollars per month delivered a-la-carte. So be careful what you wish for, lest you actually receive it, because I guarantee that you will not like the a-la-carte prices.

    23. Re:Try focusing on keeping subscribers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My OTA RCA antenna cost less that one month of Comcast basic. I fact 2 of them is less a 1 month Comcast bill. Been that way for 2 years. right now AT & Fee telephone and internet no TV. Still more than it is worth. The power buttons work real well on my. TVs

  8. What's The Problem? by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

    I still need Internet Access. I killed HD TV and all extended channels a couple of years ago and increased my bandwidth. Most recently I turned in the TV box itself and stuck with the tiny descrambler. I'm still charged about $100 a month for access to the 'net. I could go to $300 a month for fiber but I'm not really using the extra bandwidth I have now.

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    1. Re:What's The Problem? by bughunter · · Score: 3

      I moved two months ago and learned I had an option between AT&T Uverse and Charter Digital. AT&T was 25Mbps for $50 a month with a free phone number and I didn't have to buy television services if I didn't want them. Charter was (reportedly) 600 Mbps (right...), forced you to include phone and TV, and cost well over $100 a month. Both companies wanted install fees nearly $100. Both companies report you to the copyright cartels if you torrent shit.

      I went with AT&T. Why? I know from experience that a decent real-time speed necessary for acceptable HD streaming is between 3 and 6 Mbps (depends on format, encoding, etc.). So even the slower of the two was five times what I needed. I don't plan on torrenting terabytes of files, though I do want to be able to download a few favorite shows now that I don't have a cable box and a tuner. AT&T costs me half as much, even counting the $50 a year for VPN.

      Also, I HATE Charter with a passion. They've been a dick of a company ever since I've patronized them, starting 25 years ago. They'll cut you off if you're late paying for service in advance -- that's right, their bill says you're paying for service in the upcoming month. But if you're a week late, they cut you off and charge to reconnect. And after multiple instances of that, they'll cut you off the day after the due date. (These experiences are decades old and three addresses ago, but true ones.) To this day, they have constant outages during business hours, are assholes on the phone, and their equipment quality is crap. Not to mention the conflicts of interest that exist between content providers and cable companies, and the accusations of bandwidth throttling (not specifically against Charter... yet).

      While AT&T are no angels, they're at worst the equivalent of a lumbering corporate behemoth from the users' perspective. And I was impressed by the tech who came out to install my service. He found an unexpected problem, and I immediately thought oh no, I'm not getting internet today but the guy actually busted his ass to get the job done. (He had to run back and forth two blocks to test each end of 25 pairs of wires to find the right pair at the fiber transciever. What should have been a 30 minute job turned into a 2.5 hour one that involved a lot of sweating.) My first bill payment was three weeks late (I had to travel on business and forgot) and I didn't even hear a peep out of them. The next bill had a $5 late payment charge. And the charges are for the past month's services. And the reliability of the service has been excellent... Netflix, Hulu and Amazon all stream fantastically, with better quality than I had using Charter at my previous residence (admittedly, a sorta remote one), and always instant play. Even porn streaming sites are better. (Yea, you betcha that's one of the first thing I tried...)

      TL;DR: I cut the cable, dumped the least favorite corporation I was forced to patronize, and I am SO HAPPY. The only programming I can't get are daily game shows (I'm a Jeopardy addict) and sporting events (meh... I'll go to a bar if I need to watch a game, which is seldom).

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    2. Re:What's The Problem? by Megane · · Score: 1

      You can probably get Jeopardy with an antenna. Those things still work, you know.

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    3. Re:What's The Problem? by Bengie · · Score: 1

      I get all over-the-air TV channels, plus extra for $15/m plus taxes and fees, which works out to just under $20. HD CBS, HD ABC, HD FOX, HD PBS, HD NBC, PBS 1, PBS 2, PBS 3, HD TNT, HD USA, HD ABC Family, C-SPAN, 5 different community access channels, free VoD. All of the HD channels get 24 hour time shifting for free, and of course paid VoD.

      The wife has fallen in love with 24 hour time shifting. No more commercials. Can even watch shows the next day because you know, "24 hours". She's no longer tied to being at home at certain times.

    4. Re:What's The Problem? by Megane · · Score: 1

      Well, thanks to TV being digital now, it's easier than ever to time-shift without some cable company's crappy DVR. If the signal is good enough, you could get a dedicated ATSC tuner for her computer.

      And if you're up to the task, you could go with an open-source DVR like MythTV. You can even connect from a client on another computer in the house, though the bandwidth of a full HD show takes up a good chunk of 802.11n if you watch it over the wireless (a/b/n or a/b/g/n recommended for the cleaner 5GHz spectrum).

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  9. Clearly, the solution is to show more ads! by sinij · · Score: 1

    Well, clearly, the solution is to show more advertising to remaining customers. Go for 61 minutes of advertising per hour, 24/7 each channel. This should maximize the revenue stream.

    1. Re:Clearly, the solution is to show more ads! by dpidcoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As someone who literally hasn't had a TV (in the traditional sense) in their house for 20 years, I'm always shocked at the sheer amount of advertising whenever I'm on business travel and the hotel internet isn't fast enough for netflix. Even if it's a show I'm intensely interested in, I'd much rather wait for it to come out on DVD or arrive on netflix than suffer through all the advertising. A bit at the top and bottom of each hour, sure, but ~5 minutes of commercials every ~5 minutes? How do "normal" people stand for that?

    2. Re:Clearly, the solution is to show more ads! by ITRambo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Typically we now see 20 minutes of ads for every 40 minutes of program. So, 1/3 of the time is commercials. Since commercials suck, It's little wonder that cable TV is shrinking its customer base. You can get the same crap, with fewer channels, over the air with the same 20 minutes of commercials per hour, and plenty of digital sub-channels showing old programs. Why not cut the cord when the cord keeps getting more expensive and the quality is not any better?

    3. Re:Clearly, the solution is to show more ads! by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Advertising is part of my gripe also. I have Cox, and they have a service called On Demand where you can watch previous episodes. So, I wanted to watch a specific Daily Show a while ago and used On Demand to do it. First, they don't offer brand new episodes, I think the most recent one I could watch was 2 weeks old. Then, while watching it, they show commercials that are unskippable. The Daily Show has 3 commercial breaks. During one of the breaks they showed me 11 commercials (yeah, I counted).

      Compare that with The Daily Show website, where I can watch the current batch of episodes. I think the most ads I've seen in one break there is 5, normally it's only 1 or 2 though. But I accept that, because I'm not paying anyone to watch those on the website. With Cox, I'm paying them to show me around 20 commercials that I can't skip during an episode that is 2 weeks old, and they wonder why they're losing customers.

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    4. Re:Clearly, the solution is to show more ads! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't, it's one of the largest factors driving me to cut the cord. I can't stand them, and some of them simply need to banned. I don't need to hear about bloody stools, etc while I'm eating for christ sake.

  10. No kidding. by Scutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who'd have thought that treating your customers like scumbags and cash cows might eventually cause them to leave?

    This is my surprised face.

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    1. Re:No kidding. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Arrg, don't mention the word "cows"!

    2. Re:No kidding. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arrg, don't mention the word "cows"!

      What do cows say again?

  11. Who watches TV anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who watches TV anyway? Last time I checked it was all crap.
    Not to mention that the cable boxes are about the worst experience in technology ever. And I'm not being hyperbolic.

    1. Re:Who watches TV anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously. A Zenith Space Commander remote controlled television was so much more responsive than a modern cable box.

    2. Re:Who watches TV anyway? by bughunter · · Score: 1

      I agree with you. Everytime I have to use one at a house with full-up cable, I'm like all "what the hell is running this thing, an 8086??"

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  12. good by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    fuck the cable companies. may they all die for being the abusive, government corrupting oligarchy they are

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  13. Zero Interest in Pay TV. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, who wants to pay $50 for a basic package of basically nothing, or over $100 to actually get something worth watching...
    Netflix and others are great examples of how to do things. Either A-la-carte or all-you-can-eat type of business is better for the consumers these days.

    1. Re:Zero Interest in Pay TV. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Once you cut the cord, you start cutting back on other things. Those initial plans to pay ala-carte vanish when you're thinking "is it worth $1.99 for this one episode"? You learn to wait a year instead of seeing the shows when they first run. You learn to watch older TV instead. The "must watch" list shrinks.

      The only problem though is lack of a good DVR, as streaming wants you to stream on demand (even if high peak hours). No DVR means there's no point in even bothering to watch broadcast TV even if you get a good antenna, as it returns you to the dark ages of being a slave to the clock. But you learn to do without.

    2. Re:Zero Interest in Pay TV. by bughunter · · Score: 1

      $100 to $200 will buy you a decent quality tuner/encoder - anything from the plug and play EyeTV options to the MythTV-geeks-only HDHomeRun... just search on Amazon.

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    3. Re:Zero Interest in Pay TV. by Megane · · Score: 1

      My 4-tuner/4.5TB MythTV makes me a slave to my backlog, not the clock. Also, I can save episodes as long as i want (if I have space), and mark/delete the commercials manually (I don't trust the automatic commercial detection) more for saving space (commercials alone can be a gigabyte for an hour show) than for other reasons. With only an antenna, I've got more TV than I can watch.

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  14. Magic: TV through the air! by ZipK · · Score: 5, Informative

    We dropped Comcast and deployed Leaf antennas. We get a couple of dozen channels, including the four major networks and a number of sub-channels rented by movie and rerun networks (e.g., Cozi, Movies!, MeTV, Buzzr, Laff, Decades, Retro, Bounce, Escape, Grit, Get, etc.). If there's nothing on, or the reception is being interrupted by who-knows-what, we turn off the TV and do something else. Every month we enjoy not paying Comcast.

    1. Re:Magic: TV through the air! by pwizard2 · · Score: 1

      Same here. My own homemade antenna I built for around $10 (simple dipole loop design, I wanted to keep things simple the first time around) works fine. There's a whole lot of shit on local TV but at least I don't have to pay for it.

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    2. Re:Magic: TV through the air! by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      I have no idea what those channels are you listed. Nor what a leaf antenna is. Yeah, it's amazing what you can do when the TV's not on. Mostly spend more time on the internet, but hey.

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    3. Re:Magic: TV through the air! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Word to the wise use the tvfool website and buy the best antenna for your area. The most expensive ones are less then 2 months of paying for cable.

  15. Finally by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    I'm not unconditionally hostile to the status quo media distribution business model. My problem with them is that they tend to make content X exclusive to service Y when I am most interested in using service Z.

    You see this with lots of media outlets. You see it on consoles a lot in games. They pay publisher of X content lots of money to make the game exclusive to Y console when I use a Z PC. And here's the thing... while I'd love to play that game and would be happy to buy it... I am not buying Y console. It would give me hand herpes... and there is no cure.

    And the same thing is true with the TV, sports, movies, etc.

    I would love to get sports on my streaming service and I would pay more for that package. However... I am not going to get a cable subscription just for the sports. Because while I care... I don't "need". I'm very happy with a thousand other entertainment medias. And that assumes I even want to entertain myself that way. I have so many f'ing projects and hobbies that when all is said and done... you have to actually be interesting make me show up.

    Anyway, glad the old business model is dying... not because I like to see them die but because they were too stubborn to port their content to platforms I wanted to use at a competitive rate.

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    1. Re: Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can stream sports. I paid last year $60 for NHL GameCenter. I looked at NFL but they wanted like $600 for the season. I just avoided score apps and torrented the NFL game,

    2. Re:Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much this. I have lost track of how many games I saw trailers for and said to myself "this I shall buy, and life after work shall be good"... only to see "x-bone exclusive" or similar.. I get over it and move on to something else... it's that companies loss of revenue not mine. Many of my friends who game say the same thing, so I have to wonder if the companies who are paid to make it "exclusive" are making more in those payments or losing out due to lost other console/PC/Mobile ect customers??

    3. Re: Finally by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I paid last year $60 for NHL GameCenter.

      My NHL GameCenter subscription is some of the best entertainment money I've spent. I refuse to subscribe to Comcast, and it was getting tiring having to go find a bar to watch Hawks games (and some of the other teams I follow). Hockey is a very screen-friendly sport, and extremely exciting with this notion of armored players with sticks chasing each other on a very low-friction surface while balanced on stell blades. When I say it like that, it sounds pretty goddamn sci-fi. Sort of like a Canadian rollerball.

      Most other sports, I'm happy listening to on radio. Some, like baseball for example, are actually better on radio than on television.

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    4. Re: Finally by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      stell blades

      Should be, "steel blades".

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    5. Re:Finally by Karmashock · · Score: 2

      PC sales are a lot stronger than the console people would like to admit. Roughly about as strong as any of the consoles... and that is just counting console ports.

      There was some interesting sales information that showed the xbox one was having a very hard time... the PS4 is doing pretty good... and the PC is generally identical to the PS4 merely accounting for ports. If you include all the things that are on PC and not the console, the PC game market dwarfs the PS4... and likely the entire console market collectively.

      Not a fan of the business model. It would be better if all this crap were on the PC. Here someone will say something like "but I like to play on the couch"... then get a gaming laptop and plug it into your tv when you want to do that. You can plug game pads into a PC as easily as anything. And you have a great deal more freedom about it than you do on the console.

      Here someone will say "but gaming PCs are expensive"... if you take the consoles as the benchmark of what constitutes acceptable graphics, you can throw together a gaming PC for about 400 dollars. What is more, the cost of a gaming PC is not the cost of the entire machine. Because you're going to have a PC regardless. Who has a console but doesn't have a PC at all? That's rare. So the cost of the gaming PC is not the cost of the machine but rather the cost of turning the PC you're going to buy anyway into a gaming PC. Which means your costs drop to perhaps 100 to 200 dollars if your goal is merely to keep pace with the consoles. if you want to go beyond that you have that flexibility which is not something the console people can say.

      Then you'll hear someone say "but PCs are hard"... well... ten year olds can figure it out. So I don't know what to tell you.

      And then you'll hear "but none of the exclusive games I want are on the PC"... well, you're a victim of advertising because name the genre and there is probably lots of PC games that are every bit as good if not better. They're just not promoted on the super bowl like that last xbox crap game was... you know the one that had tyrion lannister narrating for it for no reason. And as I remember most people realized it was over hyped, over priced, garbage. The PC also has a lot of games that you're just not going to find on the console. MMOs if you like that. RTS games if you like that. RPGs are quite a big stronger on the PC. The PC has legacy support back to DOS... so backward compatibility to the beginning of time. You can also install emulators that let you play pretty much everything. Sadly emulators for more modern consoles are absent for some reason. I blame ninja death squads from MS and Sony for that. Its sort of inexplicable otherwise.

      Anywho... yeah... exclusive content is bullshit and rather than compel me to buy service Y, it just makes me ignore content X.

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  16. Can't wait for the day people abandon the Internet by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    It happens to all technologies. Someday the Internet will be replaced with something better, and people will begin to abandon that old fashioned technology.

  17. Well maybe. by sims+2 · · Score: 2

    Maybe they should do what we the customer's have been begging them to do for years!

    Its simple its called à la carte. It means you sell us the channels we actually effing want! we don't care if you say the extra 30 home shopping channels are free we don't want them!

    And maybe you could do something about the %50 advertising %50 show problem. I don't know how I ever put up with it now after using netflix for over a year.

    No I don't care how much it costs for you to do this. You are either going to do this or you are going to be left behind kind of like att is with their landline POTS service.

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    1. Re:Well maybe. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At some point, Netflix will start injecting ads into their content as well. it will be too hard for them to resist.

    2. Re:Well maybe. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there's plenty of ads inside the shows

    3. Re:Well maybe. by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      At exactly that point my sub will end...
      Actually no First I will write a sternly worded letter about why they shouldn't and if they don't concede then my sub will end.

      All they have to do is ask hulu how much ive ever paid them.

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  18. Just a though but for you cord cutters by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

    Just a though but for you cord cutters where are you going to get you content if cable goes away. No ads??lol they are coming? paying for content you will never watch?your doing it now but it will be a ton more. whats your thoughts? Remember HBO and MTV both WERE ad free......

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    1. Re: Just a though but for you cord cutters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Netflix is financing its own shows, add free. Eventually, for shows with a devoted following - ala firefly - it'd be interesting to see a streaming "PBS" / kick starter model. Have goals that you advertise in the stream, in liu of regular adds, that can be turned off with a minimum contribution.

    2. Re:Just a though but for you cord cutters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netflix already produces some awesome content of their own (Daredevil among others), so does Amazon prime video, or whatever they are called.. hell they just scored the original Top Gear crew... with more subscribers that trend will only increase.

    3. Re:Just a though but for you cord cutters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      torrents.
      Youtube.
      The problem isn't just commercials.
      A big part of it is me watching shows when I want to watch them, not at some random time slot.
      And yes, I could record and bla bla bla, but that means I have to decide beforehand what I want to watch.

    4. Re:Just a though but for you cord cutters by RubberDogBone · · Score: 1

      Um, as a cord cutter who fired satellite some time back, here is where I get my content now that I no longer have satellite: I don't.

      It turns out nothing offered by cable or satellite is actually all that essential. I've managed just fine without it. Sure I watch a lot less TV but this is fine too. Last time I checked, I had over 60 OTA TV channels plus Netflix, Amazon Prime and whatever else my Roku has. I'm fine with this.

      As for what will happen to all these companies, well by and large all these companies and channels and the broadcast networks don't actually MAKE most of the things they air. Nope they merely buy the shows from production companies and studios who are the ones actually making it, hiring the actors and crews and so on.

      The TV networks are really just middlemen distributors who exist mainly because nobody had yet invented a better way to get shows in front of viewers. You had to have local TV stations and later cable channels. But NOW, you no longer need any of that. So it won't really matter if those networks die off and take with them large numbers of unprofitable TV stations who would not exist at all except for network subsidies.

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    5. Re:Just a though but for you cord cutters by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Netflix and Amazon are both producing their own content now. If HBO and AMC vanished, there are other ways for their studios to receive distribution.

      It is, however, a valid point that Netflix may start getting commercials. They recently promised that they wouldn't (after scaring everybody by running some commercials for their own content, in front of their own content), and that probably holds for the next few years. HBO isn't going anywhere just yet. After that... well, a lot can change. Netflix is already facing competition from Amazon, and I bet Apple would like to get in on it as well. Probably more.

      I have let Netflix know that I cancel my subscription the day I see an ad on streaming.

  19. Cutting Direct TV next by blackfeltfedora · · Score: 1

    Now that the ATT buyout is complete I'm moving over to the Netflix/Hulu/HBO Now setup. I will just go to a bar if their is a sports event I want to watch.

    1. Re:Cutting Direct TV next by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I dropped them last year, even though they were still a good service. But $70/month was hitting my limit while the number of shows I felt I wanted to watch was down to 4 at times.

      I was planning on going with Netflix+Hulu, but stuck with Netflix only because the two shows I wanted on Hulu+ were changed so that they were delayed until they were also on Netflix anyway. So I really don't see the point of Hulu+, and I haven't even tried out the free month of it. There's so much to see on Netflix that I don't see the point of expanding the selection to other channels.

      Good news, after waiting a very long year, I finally get to see last season's Doctor Who. Soon it's time for Walking Dead, but after about a year of being careful some idiot dropped some spoilers...

  20. Keep treating existing customers like shit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and this is what you get.

    I have zero sympathy, just contempt. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

  21. Cable does not suffer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sure the satellite companies suffer when customers quit. They don't sell much in the way of internet to replace those lost TV customers. But cable, now that's another story. Cable actually charges me more for broadband since I do not carry TV package too. In fact my next door neighbor just cancelled Comcast and went to a DSL provider just for the fact she wanted internet only broadband and Comcast told her she had to buy a basic channel package too. I pay for broadband only and have for years! The thing is, Comcast still makes money off broadband and in fact all Comcast really should care about is providing the services they offer. Together as packages or separate. But someone at Comcast is worried your using your broadband to buy other media services and that bugs Comcast.
    Well that's too bad, and in fact many people in my area are ditching Comcast completely. I think I could get by with a DSL line providing a good 6mbps download speed. Not the greatest, but $29 vs $68 per month sounds pretty good.

  22. Not the beginning by zamboni1138 · · Score: 1

    The beginning was a while ago. When they started increasing commercials from two minutes two seconds up to three minutes, then three-and-a-half. I was trying to watch "Ray" on BET a few months ago, commercials were running past six minutes. A season of a TV series is 8-13 episodes now, not the 20-26 from decades past. There are no more real news programs. A few channels continue to pump out some good to excellent content, but you're paying a minimum of $100/month because you have to take the 80% of the bundle that you don't want.

    I assume these numbers are from before the news about AT&T and DirecTV. I would expect the numbers to take a pretty significant dip right now, with people like me that just say fuck to AT&T. I would expect another series of significant dips after AT&T begins to truly work their magic on DirecTV customers. I can get most of the channels I want with the HBO package from Sling TV for $35/month, 25% of what I'm paying right now. And thanks to some helpful advice from a fellow slashdotter, any channel I can't get that has a series I like, I can buy an episode or season at a time from iTunes. So long, suckers.

    1. Re:Not the beginning by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      Sling is ALMOST perfect for my needs. It's currently just short of two channels that I'd like but the big obstacle for me is that it only allows one stream per account. I have two TVs and they're often in simultaneous use.

      If they'd allow a second stream for $5/month, I'd be well on my way to cord cutting.

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  23. Color me surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and nothing of value was lost. As many have said here already: overpriced, no customer service, lack of desirable content, and inability to compete with other cheaper options. As the record industry, and film industry they can go hang out with the dial up modem techs, horse and buggy whip manufacturers, and all the other industries that have been replaced.

  24. Wont somebody think of the children?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not recycle the cords, guys?!

  25. Cable has gotten... by rshol · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...too expensive. People are voting with their wallets. Time for the time honored appropriate response to a shift in the demand curve where the amount demanded at every price is less: time for price cuts.

    Everybody in the industry has gotten fat: producers, actors, athletes, sports leagues, coaches, college athletic programs, on air talent, etc. (I'm mostly interested in ESPN, I almost never watch anything on HBO etc, but the same logic applies). You can't pay billions to televise a single college football conference, raise your prices to astronomical levels to cover same and expect your customers to keep shelling out.

    There will be a blood bath, especially in the college sports world. The days of $5mm/year coaches, $1mm/year AD's and $750mm stadiums with lavish locker rooms, indoor training facilities, etc, are going to quickly come to an end.

    The NFL will feel the pinch as well.

    1. Re:Cable has gotten... by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 2

      While that might be the rational, logical thing to do. The reality is that we will see legislation that increases the cost of doing business for alternative services.

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    2. Re:Cable has gotten... by bjdevil66 · · Score: 1

      Instead of being happy with consistent profitability in their business, modern capitalism says that these companies have to increase profitability every quarter - all in the name of increasing shareholder value. They couldn't increase profits as quickly the old fashioned ways as they could by cutting production costs and raising cable rates, so we got the latter.

      I made the cut about 2 years ago, and aside from having to find pirated streams of occasional sporting events I haven't missed it at all. (I'd rather watch the "good enough", pixelated, pirated streams of sporting events than pay ridiculous amounts for HD broadcasts.)

      Besides - it's not like these companies don't get enough from me already in other ways ($170/mo. for a cell phone PMT, 20/5MB internet, a landline phone, and Netflix streaming). Who's getting the money has simply shifted some...

    3. Re:Cable has gotten... by LDAPMAN · · Score: 1

      Capitalism say nothing of the kind. First, the concept of "Shareholders" is not inherent to capitalism. Second, there are plenty of companies who provide shareholder value through dividends. Third, the vast majority of capitalism occurs through privately held companies. The stock market != capitalism.

    4. Re:Cable has gotten... by Rougement · · Score: 2

      They've gotten rich but increasingly, they're leaving money on the table. I'd like to stream EPL soccer on NBC's sports website but I can't. They say I need a login from my cable provider but I don't have cable and don't want it. I'd happy pay them for access but my money is apparently no good without a cable subscription so i guess I'll keep hold of it and torrent the games instead.

    5. Re:Cable has gotten... by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 1

      Yep. College sports is a bubble that's quickly going to pop. And if the NFL created a minor league for talent development, they could easily get a lot of the profits when all those kids that are pretend students can be full time athletes on a salary and people cut back on college ball.

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  27. Wait, Pay TV is still around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The last time I used Pay-TV was WrestleMania III with Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant

    1. Re:Wait, Pay TV is still around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was just a rumor. WrestleMania III wasn't actually so successful that they never needed to charge for Pay-TV again. ;)

  28. This is a very good thing by nwaack · · Score: 1

    This will force them to dump all the pointless channels that nobody watches and give us cheaper packages with content that the users actually want.

    1. Re:This is a very good thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your optimism is so cute. I wish I had a camera right now.

  29. Proud Cord Cutter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Ditched Time Warner Cable
    2) Ditched Time Warner Phone.
    3) Kept Cell Phone only
    4) Kept Time Warner Internet
    5) Got Netflix
    6) Got Amazon Prime
    7) Downloaded Fox Sports app for cell phone
    8) Downloaded CBS Sport app for cell phone
    9) Downloaded ESPN app for cell phone
    10) Downloaded NBC Sports Live App for cell phone
    11) Got Chromecast to watch anything on my Android cell phone on the TV. Youtube etc...
    12) Started using Redbox more...$1.99 per movie...
    13) Bought amplified Mohu Leaf Indoor antenna. Watch HD over the air broadcasting free.

    Happy... Saved $145 per month by lowering my Time Warner Bill from $210 to $66...

  30. OTA TV by darkain · · Score: 1

    In my area, I get free OTA TV. Subscribing to the bare minimum cable package, which is *JUST* the same channels as OTA provides, is $18/mo. The only advantage I would have is a more reliable signal, as with bad weather the OTA sometimes drops in and out a bit. A "standard" cable package, the next tier up, starts at $53/mo. Now, let's compare this to Netflix, which starts at only $8/mo.

    So, why is cord cutting huge? Because we all want to save a buck or two... or $40! Really, look at the difference there. It is $18/mo for the same service that is already free, only slightly more reliable. Or $8/mo for unlimited streaming. Or the getting an actual cable package at $58/mo!? Seriously, what would you choose in this scenario?

    1. Re:OTA TV by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      The alternatives offer more value that cost savings. They're also "on demand". I get what I want when I want it, not a fixed schedule. If cable and on-demand streaming cost the same, people would chose streaming every time. But ironically they don't cost the same. Streaming costs an order of magnitude less.

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  31. Extreme A La Carte by Spinlock_1977 · · Score: 1

    I'd rather pay for just the shows I watch, rather than picking an entire channel. For channels like SyFi (which is about 25% science fiction), I'd be buying 10 shows per week. For channels like The Documentary Channel, it would be more like 2.

    The Learning Channel? hahahahahahahaha what learning? Honey Boo Boo taught me nothing.

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    1. Re:Extreme A La Carte by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Yeah thats why netflix and such have become so popular they let you watch what you want when you want.

      The cable co is limited by their equipment so the very best you could hope for is being able to pay for just the channels you actually want anything better you have to turn to the net.

      Also the price on digital seasons of old shows is ridiculous the physical copies don't cost 1/4th that much.

      Yeah syfy was going down hill before but the name change really pointed it out ghosthunters ghosthunters and guess what? More ghosthunters!!

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  32. More Scissors Please! by JimSadler · · Score: 2

    If cable wants my bucks they better put out more and better at a vastly reduced rate. They charge too much and provide too little and charge a fortune. On the other hand Net Flix gives quite a bit and some of it is great entertainment and they hardly charge at all. My cable costs me $226. a month. I do get numerous services but still it is only worth about $50. a month in my opinion.

    1. Re:More Scissors Please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would point out that your cable service must be worth $226 to you because you are paying that bill every month.

  33. Hallmark Channel by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

    The only thing that prevents me from cutting the cord is the godd***n Hallmark channel and what my wife would do to me if she couldn't get it. Those bastards refuse to offer any streaming alternative that doesn't require a cable provider account. I would gladly pay them $30+/month if it meant I could ditch cable.

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  34. When were you forced to buy a car? by tepples · · Score: 2

    In my state, we've been forced to buy auto liability insurance since, well...forever.

    I don't buy car liability insurance. Here's why not.

    1. Re:When were you forced to buy a car? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can thank us for subsidizing your hospital stay, though, after you get seriously injured due to your choice of transportation methods.

    2. Re:When were you forced to buy a car? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      What are the odds? How many miles do automobiles travel for each traumatic injury suffered in an accident, as opposed to bicycles? Play the odds, and the bicycle rider is probably coming out ahead.

      And, no, I've certainly NOT suggested that a bicyclist has any odds when he collides with an automobile - I've suggested that he's LESS LIKELY to be involved in a serious accident.

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    3. Re:When were you forced to buy a car? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably a good thing, considering how poorly most cyclists are at following traffic laws.

    4. Re:When were you forced to buy a car? by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      In a world with only cars on the road, there would still be pretty much the same amount of serious injuries on the road.
      In a world with only bicycles on the road, there would be a lot less.

      So who is subsidizing who again?

    5. Re:When were you forced to buy a car? by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      What are the odds? How many miles do automobiles travel for each traumatic injury suffered in an accident, as opposed to bicycles? Play the odds, and the bicycle rider is probably coming out ahead.

      And, no, I've certainly NOT suggested that a bicyclist has any odds when he collides with an automobile - I've suggested that he's LESS LIKELY to be involved in a serious accident.

      As a former cyclist, with my sample of one, I can firmly say that this is not true. I have been driving for 25 years and have never been injured as a result. I rode a bike in the city for 6 months and stopped because I concluded that if I continued I would surely be killed.

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    6. Re:When were you forced to buy a car? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a world with only cars on the road, there would still be pretty much the same amount of serious injuries on the road. In a world with only bicycles on the road, there would be a lot less.

      So who is subsidizing who again?

      Perhaps, but a world with only bicycles on the road would be stuck in the 1870's.

  35. Sports, politics, bundle discount by tepples · · Score: 1

    When I can get Netflix for $8, Hulu for $8, and HBO for $15, why do I want to spend $100 for 1000 channels I don't watch.

    Two reasons. One is that they're bundled with live sports or politics channels that you do want. Sport leagues' online streaming services tend to black out games shown on national or regional pay TV. The other is that the discount on Internet service for also having TV through the same company is sometimes larger than the price of TV.

    1. Re:Sports, politics, bundle discount by gregmac · · Score: 1

      When I can get Netflix for $8, Hulu for $8, and HBO for $15, why do I want to spend $100 for 1000 channels I don't watch.

      Two reasons. One is that they're bundled with live sports or politics channels that you do want.

      The math is easy here. Are live sports/politics worth ($100 - $8 - $8 - $15) = $69 to you? If yes, get cable TV.

      The other is that the discount on Internet service for also having TV through the same company is sometimes larger than the price of TV.

      This isn't universally true. Where I live, the bundle is cheaper -- for the first 12 months. Then the price goes up so now those live sports and politics are worth an extra $100 (compared to just netflix+hulu+hbo). If that is worthwhile value for you, by all means, get the cable TV bundle.

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      According to Nielsen, in 2013 (last year I could find numbers for) "over 33 billion hours of national sports programming were consumed by 255 million people in the U.S.". That works out to an average of less than 11 hours per month per person. So on average, if people are only get anything besides Netflix+Hulu+HBO for sports, they are paying about $9.27/hr.

      Outside of a subscription-based service, most 45-hour shows cost around $2 (or $2.67/hr) if you buy them individually (which is the most expensive way). Using this as a basis, that 10.78 hours sports per month on cable are about 247% more expensive entertainment per hour.

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  36. Sometimes substitutes are not exact by tepples · · Score: 1

    What are their customers going to do? Go to one of their competitors when they want to watch Game Of Downton Abbey?

    Worse comes to worst, they'll watch a show that isn't Game of Thrones or a show that isn't Downton Abbey. Sometimes substitutes are not exact.

  37. DVR patents and DRM certification by tepples · · Score: 1

    [DVRs] feel like 15 year old tech, and they constantly break. They're big and bulky, and make a lot of heat and noise for something that seems slower and less powerful than my mobile phone.

    I wonder how much of this is caused by two things: skimping on hardware in order to pay incumbent DVR patent holders such as TiVo, and continuing to use obsolete hardware because it happens to have been certified by the DRM division of CableLabs.

    1. Re:DVR patents and DRM certification by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I think they also just aren't thinking about the quality of the service they're providing. Their customers are stuck with them, so why should they care about customer satisfaction? Why invest in R&D for new cool equipment, or pay for the fancy stuff that someone else has delivered, when they can just deliver the same old shit they always have?

    2. Re:DVR patents and DRM certification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither actually. The bottleneck comes from end of life support for existing hardware. How do you design your broadcast and delivery systems to continue to support legacy hardware in a sustainable manner without either a) Spending hundreds of millions of dollars to roll trucks to all of your customers' residences every few years for a hardware upgrade, or b) ending up with broadcast infrastructure expenses that balloon uncontrollably because the time between hardware iterations is too short and you're continuing to support your customers with old hardware?

    3. Re:DVR patents and DRM certification by tepples · · Score: 2

      How do you design your broadcast and delivery systems to continue to support legacy hardware in a sustainable manner without [rolling] trucks

      Self-install kits. Comcast used this a couple years ago when it switched its expanded basic SD service from analog to "Digital Transport Adapters" (the small decoder boxes) so that it could compress all channels to make more room for DOCSIS channels to deliver "Blast" Internet. Give a few months of notice that service on the old protocol will be going away, ship boxes that can handle both the old and new protocols, transition the higher tier channels first so that you at least have their revenue if you absolutely have to roll trucks, and then transition the rest of the channels.

  38. NCAA by tepples · · Score: 1

    I'd much rather wait for it to come out on DVD or arrive on netflix than suffer through all the advertising.

    Does the College Football Playoff ever get to DVD or Netflix?

    1. Re:NCAA by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      I'm posting on slashdot, do I seem like the kind of person who cares about sportsball?

      Though sarcasm aside, can't you pick those games up with an antenna if you really want to watch them?

    2. Re:NCAA by ncc74656 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd much rather wait for it to come out on DVD or arrive on netflix than suffer through all the advertising.

      Does the College Football Playoff ever get to DVD or Netflix?

      Who cares? The lack of spectator sports on Netflix is a feature, not a bug.

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    3. Re:NCAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go to your local pub/sports bar/BWW/pizza place, get some grub and a beer, and watch it with a bunch of people who are also interested in your favorite sportsball competition.

    4. Re:NCAA by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      Sometimes I wonder if my disdain for watching sports is based in my childhood experience of broadcast games interfering with my cartoon schedule.

  39. EAT MOR CHIKIN by tepples · · Score: 1

    Last time I checked, cows said EAT MOR CHIKIN.

  40. Taking turns on the family PC by tepples · · Score: 1

    "but I like to play on the couch"... then get a gaming laptop and plug it into your tv when you want to do that. You can plug game pads into a PC as easily as anything.

    But will the average PC-native co-op game necessarily support gamepads, plural? A lot of PC games require a separate PC per player so that they can sell two to four copies of a game to a single household instead of one copy that works in shared-screen mode.

    What is more, the cost of a gaming PC is not the cost of the entire machine. Because you're going to have a PC regardless. Who has a console but doesn't have a PC at all?

    People who get by with a console and phone, or people who live in a household where another member routinely hogs the only PC.

    So the cost of the gaming PC is not the cost of the machine but rather the cost of turning the PC you're going to buy anyway into a gaming PC.

    In other words, wait three to five years until you would have already replaced your existing compact or office-spec laptop with a gaming laptop.

    Then you'll hear someone say "but PCs are hard"... well... ten year olds can figure it out.

    I've had ten-year-olds get a PC infected with fake antivirus. The only good thing about that is at least it isn't encrypting ransomware.

    And then you'll hear "but none of the exclusive games I want are on the PC"... well, you're a victim of advertising because name the genre and there is probably lots of PC games that are every bit as good if not better.

    What are better PC counterparts to these games?

    • Amplitude (abstract rhythm game)
    • Katamari Damacy (3D platformer with the eat smaller objects mechanic from Bubbles)
    • New Super Mario Bros. Wii and U (cooperative 2D platformer)
    • Super Mario 3D World (cooperative 3D platformer)
    • The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword (third-person fantasy action adventure)
    • Pokemon (cockfighting RPG)
    • Animal Crossing (social simulator in a somewhat Winnie the Pooh-reminiscent style)
    • Super Smash Bros. For (platform fighter for up to 4 players)
    • Splatoon (third-person paint shooter)

    emulators

    Once you've bought game cartridges or GameCube or Wii discs, how do you dump them so you can run them in an emulator?

    1. Re:Taking turns on the family PC by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      There are a lot of PC co-op games. And lets not pretend that the consoles are especially great at supporting that at this point.

      There are single player console games, multiplayer over the internet console games, and co-op split screen games. And not all console games fall into the final category.

      There are PC games that do that... either because they ported the console concept or because they do have split screen or screen sharing ability.

      Trine is such a game. There are a lot more of them than you'd realize. The single player or online multiplayer PC games don't let you do that but then neither do the console versions of the same games so it is more of a wash than you'd realize.

      As to people getting by without a PC but having a console... I've never seen that and I frankly suspect you're talking about unicorns.

      As to a member of the family hogging the PC... get them a tablet. That will cost you 100 dollars and lets be honest they were probably just looking at webpages on the PC anyway.

      As to your point about waiting 5 years etc... this would make any sense if the consoles were not replaced with subsequent generations at around that interval. Lets look at the console replacement intervals:
      Playstation 1994
      Playstation 2 2000
      Playstation 3 2006
      Playstation 4 2013

      Basically every 6 years you get another console.

      So... can a 6 year old PC compete with a 6 year old console? Easily.

      Your argument there is at best a wash and at worst you lose because I can upgrade the PC with a new graphics card, ram, etc without having to wait for the console companies to move the bar. You're not going to match PCs on graphics dollar for dollar or at time of sale or over the time of the unit. The PCs win all of that and pretty much have since the first graphics cards started coming out.

      As to your comment about malware... I don't know what you're talking about. Clarify your position.

      As to are there games like this on the PC?... yes.

      Your first link was funny because the PC had a game almost exactly like that way before that called Audio Surf:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Next we have "Katamari Damacy" which is a puzzle action game... and there are tons of those on the PC. Wouldn't portal 1/2 count? I mean... I can probably cite a dozen puzzle action games. Is it literally the exact same IP as Katamari Damacy? No. I didn't claim it would be though. I claimed it would be the same sort of game and that there would be more of them. And there are.

      As to super mario brothers, you're talking about 2d platformers... do we have those? Of fucking course we do. We have shovel knight, braid, Fez... the whole 2d platformer thing is really popular with the indy developers because its easier to make them.

      As to third person RPGs... f'ing trillions and zillions of them:
      http://www.metacritic.com/brow...

      As to cockfighting RPGs... there are literally pokemon games... same IP on the PC:
      http://www.gameyum.com/pokemon...

      As to other games like that... it's basically a digital pet game crossed with an RPG... with maybe some puzzle mechanics in it.
      Arguably most of these would fit the bill:
      http://www.listal.com/list/bes...

      Animal crossing appears to be an open world RPG... we have zillions of those. Are they as cute as that game? There are a few that are... let see...
      Trove and cubeworld appear to be more open world than anything before them, pretty cutesy... same basic thing from what I can tell. Does mr squirrel give you his nuts? That's more a Sims thing. I think your animal crossing game is sort a cuter version of the sims... with fewer options and less depth.

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  41. Go away, you're not 21 by tepples · · Score: 1

    I will just go to a bar if their is a sports event I want to watch.

    People under 21 are forbidden to enter bars. So what should people do if they want to watch the game with their kids, such as the parent of a high school student whose older brother's school is in the ESPN-exclusive College Football Playoff?

    1. Re:Go away, you're not 21 by losfromla · · Score: 1

      The nudie bar?

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    2. Re:Go away, you're not 21 by Veranix · · Score: 1

      People under 21 are forbidden to enter bars. So what should people do if they want to watch the game with their kids, such as the parent of a high school student whose older brother's school is in the ESPN-exclusive College Football Playoff?

      I've seen plenty of children at every sports bar I have ever visited, largely due to the fact that many of them are also restaurants. Buffalo Wild Wings would be an example of one such fairly large and widespread establishment in the US.

      Whether one views said establishment's menu as actual food fit for human consumption is a different issue...

    3. Re:Go away, you're not 21 by tepples · · Score: 1

      So sports all-ages-restaurants do exist. Thanks for pointing that out, as I live in a 21-to-enter state and have cousins younger than that.

  42. Cable authentication by tepples · · Score: 1

    7) Downloaded Fox Sports app for cell phone

    Now what happens when the networks you mentioned in 7-10 start saying "Please log in with the username and password issued to you by your participating cable or satellite television provider"?

    Saved $145 per month by lowering my Time Warner Bill from $210 to $66

    How much of that was absorbed by the upgrade from a flip phone to an Android phone? Major cellular carriers tend to charge more for service on smartphones than on dumbphones.

    1. Re:Cable authentication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Please log in..."

      Some networks (cable AND broadcast) have already embraced (years ago, even) your suggestion and require a provider-authenticated login to stream at least some, if not all, of their programming that is available online.

      And don't get me started on CBS, a free to receive OTA network, charging a monthly subscription for internet streaming of current season programming (back catalog, sure.. but current season? fuck you, CBS).

    2. Re:Cable authentication by tepples · · Score: 1

      And don't get me started on CBS, a free to receive OTA network, charging a monthly subscription for internet streaming of current season programming

      Why not just connect an antenna to a DVR and get the "current season programming" that way?

  43. $2/mo cheaper to keep cable by tepples · · Score: 1

    It is $18/mo for the same service that is already free, only slightly more reliable.

    If you were to cancel that $18 per month service, the cable company would likely hike your Internet rate by $20 per month because you no longer qualify for the bundle discount.

  44. OpenConnect Appliance by tepples · · Score: 1

    Having local CDNs would also be a huge investment

    An investment that Netflix is already making. It provides an OpenConnect Appliance without charge to any qualifying ISP willing to give it colo space. Comcast didn't want to take the offer.

    If movies/TV shows are sent through the internet and played on some sort of computer, there is a greater chance of piracy

    Even in modern Windows operating systems that have "Protected Video Path" DRM? I'm told Netflix downgrades your stream to SD if it can't successfully establish a Protected Video Path.

  45. Jon Stewart by ISoldat53 · · Score: 2

    Now that Jon Stewart is gone cable TV can go pound sand.

    1. Re:Jon Stewart by walterbyrd · · Score: 3, Informative

      I watched Jon Stewart on Plex for free. Although, I think he was also available on Hulu.

  46. Living with someone who cares about sportsball by tepples · · Score: 1

    I'm posting on slashdot, do I seem like the kind of person who cares about sportsball?

    Even if you don't, a Slashdot user might live with someone who does care about sportsball or something else that isn't on Netflix.

    Though sarcasm aside, can't you pick those games up with an antenna if you really want to watch them?

    You're probably thinking of the Super Bowl (NFL championship game) or the NBA Finals, which are shown OTA. The College Football Playoff is not; it's on ESPN. Nor are some games of the NHL Stanley Cup Finals; they're on NBCSN (formerly Versus).

    1. Re:Living with someone who cares about sportsball by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      Even if you don't, a Slashdot user might live with someone who does care about sportsball or something else that isn't on Netflix.

      There are options besides netflix for obtaining content over the internet, you're saying absolutely nowhere online will show it? I've also found that spectator sports are generally more entertaining when spectated with other spectators. To that effect there are always sports bars and friends houses. In absence of those, I won't stop you if you think paying $100/month in order to see college football season live is worth it.

      You're probably thinking of the Super Bowl (NFL championship game) or the NBA Finals, which are shown OTA. The College Football Playoff is not; it's on ESPN. Nor are some games of the NHL Stanley Cup Finals; they're on NBCSN (formerly Versus).

      Ah yes, thank you. And I guess ESPN doesn't offer their streams over the internet or the ability to buy their channels as an a la carte cable package? Seems like their loss. I'm happy to pay for content if it's relatively easy to obtain and mostly ad-free.

    2. Re:Living with someone who cares about sportsball by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I pretty much use my OTA antenna (piped into an HTPC) once or twice a year now. I have a Super Bowl party because all my friends are geeks too so if I don't do it none of us gets a Super Bowl party. And I have a party for the Olympics, summer and winter.
      That should be enough sports for most /. readers, and more than many. Cost of a USB tuner is around $20 these days.

    3. Re:Living with someone who cares about sportsball by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if you don't, a Slashdot user might live with someone who does care about sportsball or something else that isn't on Netflix.

      *sigh* So many people think "dating" is about getting laid. No, it's about selection. It's when you actually should be "judgmental" about another person, because you're going to be watching a lot of TV (among many other things) together for the next few decades.

      Hell yes she got screened for that. It was informal (it's not like I had a "not a sports fan" checkbox on a form) but it definitely happened.

      Actually, there was a checkbox, but it was probably called "proprietary dependencies." Sports isn't a problem, but proprietary, branded sports is a problem. And the only sports on TV happens to be proprietary (because someone wants "exclusive rights"). When sports is talked about as brands and contracts, instead of running around, getting exercise and having fun, it's fucking perverted to call it "sports."

    4. Re:Living with someone who cares about sportsball by tepples · · Score: 1

      Hell yes [my date] got screened for that.

      It's a bit harder to screen family.

    5. Re:Living with someone who cares about sportsball by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Coming out of their share of of the entertainment funds. They can have their $100/m of extra channels, I'm getting a new computer every year.

  47. Aww... by Greyfox · · Score: 2
    Here's a performance of a cat playing the world's smallest violin for the cable companies.

    ...

    What? The performance is covered by a copyright and I'll get DMCAed? Fuck.

    Here is NOT a performance of a cat playing the world's smallest violin for the cable companies.

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  48. Espn Re: Cable has gotten... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If I had mod points, I'd mod this up. The ripples haven't yet begun to be felt. It'll be interesting to see how the advertisers react. They're the top of the food chain.

  49. Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Righteous! Die cable company, die!

  50. Paradox of choice by tepples · · Score: 1

    As to people getting by without a PC but having a console... I've never seen that and I frankly suspect you're talking about unicorns.

    If people who don't own a PC and do most of their "computing" on a phone are unicorns, then my cousin is a unicorn, as is a former co-worker.

    As to your comment about malware... I don't know what you're talking about. Clarify your position.

    Get on a PC and try to watch a video that you found through a search engine, and if it happens to be on a sufficiently shady site, the site will require you to install what it calls a "codec update" or "Flash update". Except this purported update is actually a malware dropper.

    As to cockfighting RPGs... there are literally pokemon games... same IP on the PC:

    I can't publicly recommend use of blatant infringements lest I be accused of "inducing copyright infringement" per MGM v. Grokster.

    there are zillions of the fucking things

    Therein lies the problem: finding which of the "zillions of the fucking things" is any good and/or has any community around it. Unlike with consoles, I'm not aware of any review sites that aim to cover 100% of Steam releases. It's called the paradox of choice: with too many choices, the brain gives up and chooses "none of the above".

    As to whether I want to dump a game cube for an emulator if I bought a game cube... yes. For the same reason I'd rather listen to an MP3 or a FLAC file than I would a CD or an LP.

    By "dump" I mean take a disc and make an image of the data on the disc for use with an emulator, like ripping a CD to FLAC. How do you do that with Neo Geo AES cartridges or with GameCube discs?

    Ever played NeoGeo on the android? Its great.

    I tried playing NES on an Android tablet. I kept "whiffing", my term for accidentally pressing outside the range of the on-screen buttons. The same thing happened when I tried the free subset of Pixeline and the Jungle Treasure, a Mario clone on Google Play Store. I didn't get very far until I paired my Bluetooth keyboard. Because a flat sheet of glass has no tactile position cues, it's worse than playing on a Turbo Touch 360, and that's saying something. At least a Turbo Touch has physical trigger buttons, edges on the D-pad, and ridges inside the D-pad. True, emulators tend to support external gamepads, but a PlayStation Vita or Nintendo 3DS is far easier to carry than an Android tablet and a Dual Shock 3. If things like the Xperia Play (phone with slide-out gamepad) were still manufactured, or if JXD gaming tablets were sold in brick-and-mortar stores, it'd be different.

    Seriously play around on the steam store for a minute and realize that the PC game market has about 10 times as many titles. Are all of them great? Obviously not. Lots of them are shit. But then lots of games on the console are shit as well.

    I think the peasants' argument is that for any generation after the second, a random sample of 10 PC games will have noticeably more shit than a random sample of console games.

    1. Re:Paradox of choice by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      As to unicorns, fine... unicorns would have to include the full price of the PC... its at most the same price as a console so... you still gain no advantage.

      As to malware existing... Its the 21st century. As past generations were expected to not shit in their drinking water, I expect modern generations to know not to install malware or if they do to know how to remove it. Its not hard. I have a little cousin that keeps his system clean just fine. I've never really understood the "I'm not smart enough to use a PC" argument... I mean... confessing to stupidity isn't exactly a winning move. An no... we're not talking about insults. I'm not saying "if you disagree with me you're stupid"... you're the one saying you can't handle malware. And small children can handle that. So... I'm just not understanding what is going on here.

      The examples of same IP often have licenses. Where they don't... meh... really your game is basically the sims only you fight your sims against each other. Only pokemon works that way. There's no other console game that does that. And frankly I think that's because there isn't a huge demand for it. The PC gaming community is extremely competitive and it delivers any game the people that use it actually want to play.

      As to the zillion rebuttal where in you say it is an advantage to have fewer titles. No. You might have an argument if the console games were all good but they're not. There are lots of shit console game which means you need to sift through both of them. And if you want to know which PC games are good we have metacritic, youtube reviews, and all sorts of shit. So you can figure it out pretty easily.

      As to copying roms... to copy neogeo titles you need a special bit of hardware to do the copying process. Obviously most people just download the roms. NeoGeo made their money ages ago. I'm not crying for the abandonware titles. If they wanted to make a buck in the 21st century they could release emulators themselves and sell the games RIGHT NOW and people would buy them. They don't. In any environment where the content holders are not offering a title, I have little recourse but to slap an eye patch on. If they want to offer the games up for sale... I'll buy them. If they don't... oh wells.

      In all frankness, the only games I really use with an emulator are old NES and SNES games... maybe some Sega Genesis thrown in there and some NeoGeo. That's it. And its mostly for nostagia. I remember the arcade days with the NeoGeo and i personally owned an NES and a Sega Genesis... I didn't get an SNES. But I do play a few roms from that era.

      My favorite emulator is actually ScummVM which I mostly use on my phone so I can play Lucas Arts Adventure games on my phone. I mean... look at this:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      That kicks the fucking piss, shit, bile, and brains out of most android games.

      As to 10 random PC games having the same quality as 10 random console games... you're relying on the fact that it is harder to make console games because it is more expensive. Consult steam and metacritic... any fool can find some good games. The popular ones are generally good.

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    2. Re:Paradox of choice by tepples · · Score: 1

      You make good points. However:

      you're the one saying you can't handle malware

      I'm not saying I can't handle malware. I'm saying some other people can't. Otherwise, we wouldn't be getting occasional stories on Slashdot about CryptoLocker and other with the same m.o.

      If they wanted to make a buck in the 21st century they could release emulators themselves and sell the games RIGHT NOW and people would buy them. They don't.

      Then what's Virtual Console or Rare Replay?

      [ScummVM] kicks the fucking piss, shit, bile, and brains out of most android games.

      ScummVM works well on Android for two reasons. First, it's relatively easy to rip games from authentic floppies or CDs. Second, many LucasArts adventures are turn-based with point and click control, which adapts well to touch-screen devices. I don't see how games made for a gamepad would adapt well to touch screens.

    3. Re:Paradox of choice by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      as to some people not being able to handle malware... I'm going to refer back to the "don't shit in your drinking water" point I made above. There are believe it or not people that don't know that still. Those epidemics you see in africa are frequently caused by contaminated drinking water and that's typically because they let their live stock bath in it or they bath in it or they wash their clothes in it.

      This is something that was bypassed like...6000 years ago. A stepped fountain does a very good job of dealing with the problem. You have a top level that is for drinking water only. You have a step below that is for human bathing/washing clothing/etc, then the third step is for animals etc.

      Its not perfect but if you see what people are doing in many places in the world... you have to conclude they have it coming when the viral/bacterial outbreak happens. I mean... you were fucking warned.

      This is the 21st century. I live in the First world... I consider malware management etc to be akin to not pissing in your drinking water. If you do... then I'm going to have a very very hard time feeling anything but disgust.

      As to gamepads with android... bluetooth gamepads or OTG cables are how I do that when I am so inclined. There are a lot of specialized bluetooth controllers that are designed to hold an iphone or android phone. You click them into the gamepad and there is a joystick on the left and some buttons on the right... and often some triggers.

      Example:
      http://www.amazon.com/MOGA-Mob...

      http://www.amazon.com/Megadrea...

      Loads of them. I personally use an OTG cable and a USB gamepad I've had for ages because... 1 dollar is what the OTG cable cost and I had a game pad I could use with my phone. :D

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  51. Cable cutting depends on how you count by Streetlight · · Score: 1

    I think the amount of cable cutters depends on how it's measured. Some, if not most, cable companies have an Internet plan that is cheaper if one buys a package that includes a very basic channel selection which may include only the local broadcast channels. People who got rid of all higher level packages and just wanted Internet but took the less expensive package with some TV may not be considered cable cutters because they get cable provided Pay TV. What really needs to be counted are the changes in the numbers of subs to content providers as ESPN, CNN/MSNBC/CNBC/Fox News/ which are generally included in the next higher level Pay TV package. Loss in those subscribers would be a better measure of cable cutting. Oh, and many of those getting the local broadcast channel and Internet package may not even be watching the Pay TV content. Disney, owner of ESPN, seems to have some cash flow problems seen by the dismissal/loss of some of their expensive on air "talent". They've paid huge sums to some sports leagues, notably to the NBA, and may have trouble paying for that. Sports leagues could be in trouble.

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    1. Re:Cable cutting depends on how you count by Streetlight · · Score: 2

      Techdirt seems to have some numbers in answer to my post:

      https://www.techdirt.com/artic...

      For instance:

      "...ESPN has lost 7.2 million viewers in the last four years, and a little more than three million in the last year. Since ESPN is annoyingly force-bundled with most basic cable subscriptions a lot of these users are cord cutters."

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  52. Pay TV != cable by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 2

    People may be cutting the cord, but they are still paying for TV. Now they are just paying Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, and Sling, instead of Comcast, Time Warner, and Charter. Oh, wait, they still are paying Comcast, Time Warner, and Charter for the Internet service so they can also pay for streaming services. I'm not sure the total bill will be going down much.

    1. Re:Pay TV != cable by Rob+Lister · · Score: 2

      I cut cable tv about 6 months ago. I had the tv/internet/phone package with no 'premium' channels. My monthly bill was $190. My bill is now ~$100 plus the ~$10/mo I pay to Netflix and the ~$5/mo I 'gift' to Plex. Total outlay is ~$115. That's a savings of $75/mo or $900/yr.

      I would call that going down 'much'.

      I putting my first year's savings into an upgraded network for my home (dedicated media server and tons of drive space).
      I figure about ~$100/yr thereafter to keep it current.

      Most importantly ...
      1) I never have to watch commercials anymore, and
      2) I'm inundated with as much excellent tv as I care to watch.

    2. Re:Pay TV != cable by AnotherSeattlePrgmr · · Score: 1

      People may be cutting the cord, but they are still paying for TV. Now they are just paying Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, and Sling, instead of Comcast, Time Warner, and Charter. Oh, wait, they still are paying Comcast, Time Warner, and Charter for the Internet service so they can also pay for streaming services. I'm not sure the total bill will be going down much.

      But you paid Comcast etc way more than you pay Netflix etc. And my netflix bill doesn't go up or down each month and doesn't have mysterious charges on it, unlike cable.

    3. Re:Pay TV != cable by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Netflix has a lousy library...at least for my taste. They have almost no international content and they really lost my interest when they did away with mailing DVDs.

  53. But Republicans are for market forces... by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 0

    Expect the Republicans to stop this as soon as they can.

    Actually, Republicans have always been for market forces. There are no market forces here, what with monopolies everywhere. If Republicans had any power this would already be gone, and you'd have multiple cable lines going into your home with multiple companies competing for your dollar.

    The current system reeks of monopolies, crony "capitalism" and other anti-capitalist ideas, which is usually the domain of the Democrats and left leaning Republicans. Why should anyone be prohibited by law from running wires to my property? It's my property. Why should anyone get to tell me which company I must use, or get to tell me how many wires I can have on my land? That's clearly an anti-capitalist position. But it is a classically Democrat position, because they don't mind government controlled monopolies and they love to keep copper mining and other manufacturing as low as possible to protect the environment.

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    1. Re:But Republicans are for market forces... by mcl630 · · Score: 1

      The problem is to get line to your property, they must run wires through property you don't own and likely will have to dig up city streets. I agree it should be much easier for companies to get approval to do this, but you're making it sound like it's only your property that comes into play.

    2. Re:But Republicans are for market forces... by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      Companies are already pretty much free to lay cables around. Yes, they must have the permits, but some companies such as Google Fiber are doing it, and many more could do it. The problem is not that monopolies are forced by law or that market forces don't apply. The problem is that the barrier to entry is very high. The incumbents can simply lower the prices in a city with a new entrant until it runs out of business.
      There is nothing different the republicans would do. They have been in power for many years and didn't change anything.

    3. Re:But Republicans are for market forces... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this HAS to be a parody account mocking taco cowboy.

      no way two tacos are both this stupid.

    4. Re:But Republicans are for market forces... by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      Read up about natural monopolies. There are plenty of places where there simply isn't enough population density to support a second set of infrastructure. Heck, there are places that don't even have enough population to support ONE set of wires, and only have service because of government subsidies or mandates.

    5. Re:But Republicans are for market forces... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you know how much it costs for buying right of ways to lay fiber?

      It is by far, the biggest expense.

  54. Do without. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In extremis, I can easily do without it. I don't need to watch programming, but without someone to pay to watch it, the programme makers have no job, and the TV Cablecos have no business.

    Yes, I have missed some good things. I have missed a shit-ton of really crap things too. And without having to pay through the nose for the crap I don't need to work as hard and still enjoy a safe and happy life.

    So "What will you do if the cable content goes away"? Not watch it. Not a problem.

  55. espn is a problem by speedlaw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "sports fee" of $6 per month, No sports channels...don't do sports on tv $72 per year ? SNIP

  56. Though you may be technically correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The difference is that in practice, if you're not increasing profitability, you are dying according to the capitalism we are actually having.

    Stalinism doesn't get a pass because communism doesn't say that the state gets to confiscate all your stuff you produce and throw you in a Ukranian prison. But that's what it did, and it helped kill communist Russia.

    So why should capitalism get the special treatment of looking at what is written and ignoring what happens?

    If your profits are steady, then your shareholders will sell your stock,reducing your money and making it harder to make the money to keep going, putting you out of business unless you can reduce the hemorrhaging to lower than the rate you can restructure. Nobody is looking up "Capitalism", reading that a profit doesn't have to increase, and then deciding "Oh, well, I guess I shall keep my shares, then".

  57. Re: SyFy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is a legal thang. Remember, Comcast owns SyFy, so they want you to pay for your tv, preferably pay till it hurts, then pay some more.

  58. Doing some math... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assuming that the rating of subscriber loss continues to accelerate at this rate, cable will lose 25% of its subscribers in 8 years. That is a big number but still not a majority and well beyond the window of most executive visions. It also assumes that the cable companies will do nothing to stop the change. The cable companies have already begun taking such steps, which include bundling large numbers of channels together (maybe they will find something worthwhile if we give them 100s of channels), on-demand programming (many major primetime shows are available a day or two later for free), high quality 1080p HD, DVR service, exclusive channels (such as a dedicated local news/weather channel) and various other features. Some of these features currently incur additional charges, but others are part of the bundle.

    Cable companies will find that reasonable pricing and reasonable customer service can viably compete with most streaming services. There is also a big market for live sports and current news. Those things might be available over-the-air on free broadcast TV, but not always.

    As an aside, there are currently more people who identify as independent voters than Republican voters in America. Clearly many people recognize the difference between Republican and Democrat and other.

  59. CATV companies - stop being assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CATV companies - stop being assholes.

    a) I am not a "consumer". I am a "customer" - learn that first.
    b) Treat all of your customers like you would want your mother treated.
    c) provide real value for the money, which is competitive with other offers.

    For example, I dumped CATV 3+ yrs ago. At first, I just had OTA broadcast stations - about 70 of them (35 useful). Costs were $40 for 2 homemade DB4 antennas and $65 for an HDHR network tuner and $10 for coax. Those are 1-time costs.

    About 6 months later, I added Amazon Prime for $80/yr (now $100/yr). Had to buy a Roku to watch this - my Ubuntu-based XBMC didn't work and I wasn't going to give Amazon another dime for their HW after they screwed me over.

    About 18 months later, I added 3 disc Netflix DVD plan for $17/month.

    I never intend to get hulu plus - commercials - seriously? No fracking way. Hulu - pull your head out already.

    So - for about $40/month, I have all the content I can stand and usually ZERO commercials. 1-time costs of less than $150. Back i 2007, I was paying Comcast $160/month. I was not pleased and their customer support sucked.

    There is a new option for current sports - ESPN/2/3 and others for $20/month. SlingTV. No contract. I hear it sucks on Apple hardware, but works great on Roku. I'll drop/pause Netflix if I switch for any live sports desired.

    So - Cox, Comcast, Quest, AT&T, Verizon, .... $40 month. No commercials and be nice to your "customers."

  60. HBO's results so far... by antdude · · Score: 1
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  61. Threaten to cancel by tepples · · Score: 1

    Where I live, the bundle is cheaper -- for the first 12 months. Then the price goes up so now those live sports and politics are worth an extra $100

    First move to a city that has both a cable company and a viable competitor such as FiOS. Then follow sheetsda's procedure every year. This may keep you on the bundle pricing.

    1. Re:Threaten to cancel by gregmac · · Score: 1

      Move to another city, just so I can subscribe to a service I don't want and -- with much more effort -- get bundle pricing that's still more expensive than streaming services?

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  62. I just cut the cord by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    I literally took a pair of snips and cut the cord, but then my internet stopped working almost immediately. I think Comcast did this as a putative measure, but I'm not sure how to prove it.

  63. Left of Jeremiah Wright by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

    I'm easily to the left of Jeremiah Wright, but I certainly don't harbor the bitter venom he has for the US.
    As for leftist views, Individual liberty exists as long as individuals are equal. Once one group amasses more power, they tend to overrule the weaker side. I'm not sure if that makes me a leftist or a libertarian though. But Atheist and against the death penalty probably makes me more aligned with the Left than the Christian Right or Neo-Conservatives.

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  64. AT&T just bought DirecTV by billstewart · · Score: 1

    The big issues for them, if I understand the press releases, is partly to get access to more and better content than U-Verse can afford with its market alone, partly to get access to a lot more subscribers (who might be willing to buy other services), particularly in Verizon and CenturyLink parts of the US, and partly to get more access to the Mexican market.

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  65. Cost and packages by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    I don't mind paying for quality content. I do mind paying for quality content packaged in with tons of junk. I cut back the package that I used to have even if that meant losing a few channels I liked. There were just too many craptastic channels in that bigger package that I no longer wanted to pay for. I understand that service providers buy the content in packages. So if they want channels A and B they also have to carry the right-wing propaganda news channel and the three shopping channels. I wouldn't mind that if I could block those channels effectively and if the packages were not so ridiculously expensive. Technically it is not a problem to have a pick and choose option, but that would be the end to shopping channels. The other issue are the ridiculous fees. There I like to see government to step in and end this. I pay a 'local sports fee' that supposedly pays for a channel that shows one or two high school basketball games per month. Seriously? And then all the other fees that even the provider cannot explain. It should further be allowed to buy your own equipment. Most cable boxes are between 40 to 60 bucks street price...so why do we have to pay rental fees? Likewise with sat companies, they insist on providing the equipment which is of dismal quality. In Europe you can buy your own sat equipment and receive hundreds of channels in top quality for free. Too bad that model was not introduced in the US, we would be watching in entirely different ways.

  66. Re:Can't wait for the day people abandon the Inter by toddestan · · Score: 1

    The internet is just a pipe, a way to send and recieve bits which makes it about as generic as possible. The bits could be anything (text, sound, pictures, videos, and more). I doubt it's going to go away anytime soon, as anything that can be described as bits can be sent over the internet. So our 3D digital holovision goggles will work just fine with the internet. Television on the other hand is just a way to send video. That makes television more analogous to services and technologies used on the internet, many of which have already gone away and replaced with something better, like Gopher, or are on the way out, like Flash.

  67. Penned Animals pestered by biting flies. by aurizon · · Score: 1

    That is the correct analogy with respect to cable companies and customers. They send more flies to bite more often (higher fees), is it any wonder we are restive in our cages and when we break out of the cage, how reluctant we are to enter the cage again.
    Cable companies only thought is how to make a stronger cage (restricted competition via continuation of retransmission fees).
    Now we have the ability to have a cloud of DDT suppressing the flies ( diverse wide band internet suppliers, that will allow the netflix etc to completely replace broadcasters)

    It is any wonder that more and more of us yearn to escape the flies.....?