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Clinton Surrendering Email Server/Data To Feds After Top Secret Mail Found
An anonymous reader writes: Hillary Clinton's lawyer has surrendered three thumb drives with copies of emails from her server to the Justice Department, which is also where the controversial Clinton personal email server is destined as well. The FBI determined that Clinton's lawyer could no longer retain the thumb drives after two emails from a small sample were found to contain information classified as "Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information," which would also taint the server. There is no evidence that encryption was used to protect the emails. From the limited reviews to date, Secretary Clinton and her aides exchanged emails containing classified information with at least six people with private email addresses. So far four of Clinton's top aides have turned over emails to the State Department, and there are demands that six more do so. The State Department's inspector general has stated that his office is reviewing "the use of personal communications hardware and software by five secretaries of state and their immediate staffs." Current U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry has stated, "it is very likely" that China and Russia are reading his emails.
The Republican presidential lineup this year has been a source of near endless amusement, but they have NOTHING on the Dems throwing their weight behind Hillary. She should be whiling away her time behind bars, not running for POTUS. What a fucking mess.
Those two emails were classified retroactively. This isn't a new story.
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just more of that vast right wing conspiracy's war on women.
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Kerry quote from the article: "...the latest means of spying is to be going after peoples' cyber."
I have a cyber? Where is my cyber? What does my cyber look like? How would I go about finding my cyber? Sounds like it could be fun. I wanna play with my cyber. But I have to protect my cyber so other people can't spy on my cyber. My cyber is private. Only my doctor can touch my cyber. No means no.
Posting as AC for some degree of anonymity. Knowing what a clearance like a TS/SCI entails, her responding to, and handling classified mails, in her private mail system shows either a complete ignorance of what she took an oath to protect, or complete disregard for her oath. Either is just so troubling.
She said so. Anybody saying anything differently is part of a vast right wing conspiracy. Unless they say "was," which is different than "is," the meaning of which depends on which Clinton you're talking to.
It's not even about the risky, lazy handling of her official government documents, or the years she waited before turning her cherry-picked selection (no official emails sent for two months while dealing with Libya, really?) from her collection over to State as she was required to - at the very latest - as she left her office. It's about how dumb she's trying to pretend everyone is, and how phony her attempt to dismiss this is - it's about as sincere as the on-demand phony southern accent (or her Urban Church-y dialect) she uses depending how how she assesses the audience she thinks she's talking to that moment. The condescension would be galling if it weren't so transparent and (you'd think!) embarrassing. But she's so impervious to embarrassment over hypocrisy or being caught lying that it really doesn't matter at this point - she's been working on not letting that bother her since before she started putting up with Bill's abuses in Arkansas.
I'm not sure what the DoJ thinks they're going to find on an Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind wiped server, though.Those drives are cleaner by now than the day they were manufactured.
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This is the IRS email thing all over again... "oh you can't have the email because I destroyed it"... *click* I will blow your fucking brains out if you don't hand it over... I am not fucking around. "Oh THAT email... why didn't you ask... it was right up my cunt... here you go."
Seriously... liar liar pants suit on fire.
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Actually it is every federal member's job to ensure the protection of classified information. That includes self-identifying if the information is classified or not and reporting it immediately. Secret level information can be sometimes confused with FOUO or even full out unclassified, but TS/SCI is awfully easy to spot (would the release of this information cause substantial damage to the United States).
Yep, it's all there. We'll see 'em all soon, for sure.
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Mostly right.
It is an intrinsic part of any security clearance that you make every effort to ensure that documents are classified correctly before they leave your possession regardless of what if any classification they had when they were delivered to you. If a contractor with basic Secret clearance forwarded something to a gmail account that contained secret information but was unlabelled, they'd be stripped of clearance and prosecuted.
On top of that debate, last I checked, willfully refusing to comply with a judge's order is enough to get a mere citizen to spend years in jail. By that alone Hillary Clinton should be spending her time in prison.
Now if there was suspected classified information on anyone else's mail server, would the government wait for proof or seize the server, look through it, and then say "My bad!" and give it back to you.
This was all done to make sure she had time to clean that server up and make it presentable, so no Clintons end in jail.
Any normal person would have their security clearance revoked after a breech of much lesser magnitude, which interestingly makes you unable to perform a job that requires handling classified material, it's one of the few ways to actually get fired from a government job.
Just another facet of our societies aristocracy, they are above the rules. (note this has nothing to do with party, both side get far too many free passes)
I'm not a Federal employee and I work in "Corporate America" and I know that if I told people to not use my bob@corporateemail.com but instead send it to bob@gmail.com or bob@myprivateserver.com, I would be terminated pretty fast. Regardless if the content I was reading was marked as public, classified or highly classified. Even when we have new employees who do not yet have a corp ID/email address yet and want to use their own laptop for the first week, we cannot send them email to their personal accounts.
How did she get away with this basic violation regardless if there are classified or non-classified emails.
How did she get people to send email to her personal server? Did she just set up her federal account to forward it to her automatically or did she start also telling people (lots of people), "Please send it to hillary@clintonemail.com?
It was also still legal to do it when HC did it. You are right the law came later, the 2014 Federal Records Law was signed 2 years after Clinton left office.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
She's accomplished one thing very well: harming American tech workers.
Traitor politician Hillary Clinton brought TATA into Buffalo, NY, on the guise of "creating jobs for NYS." Sure, TATA has a FANTASTIC (sarcasm) track record when it comes to creating jobs in the U.S.! They almost exclusively employ Indian nationals on temporary worker visas OR they ship the work offshore to India.
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are you saying that the Secretary of State, of the United States of America, could not be the source of any classified information?
i do not think you understand how classification works.
trust me, it's a real PITA. which is why i'll never deal with classified information again.
U.S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 101, Section 2071, Paragraph a: “Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”
Paragraph b: Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.
That's the law, right there - plain and simple. She should be barred from holding any office in the U.S., and yet her supporters constantly defend her regardless of the reeking corruption and criminality. I get that you won't vote for a conservative, but why don't you at least try to find someone who's not criminal?
I don't get it about foreign governments nosing thru Kerry's email. He's admitting that, despite all the CIA/NSA/etc black spook encryption tech he could conceivably use, he's stuck with google mail?
In other news:
- Donald Trump has been sending all of his email to a server in Mexico because it's cheaper than handling it in the USA.
- Chris Christie is still using Hotmail, and last week he had the entire service shut down for four days to spite everyone who hasn't endorsed him in the primaries.
- Ted Cruz was using the email address "tcruz@bell.ca" up until 2014. He insists he had no way of knowing it was Canadian.
- Jeb Bush has technically never received an email in his life. He has an intern print each item in his inbox and read it out loud to him. Sometimes he asks for pictures to go with it.
- Carly Fiorina also had her email printed for her, but she removed all of the printers from her office in 2004 as a cost-cutting measure.
- Rand Paul supports the abolition of mail servers entirely, and believes that each individual email should make its own decision as to how it is going to be delivered.
- Rick Santorum last received email in 2003 when his last name started being blocked by profanity filters.
Not its not her job. However the security of the Nation is and so she should still be aware when handling sensitive information. She should better than most be in a position to recognize when something that is unclassified perhaps ought to be and care about that. She could enough about operational security to care a second cell phone for personal/family matters if that is what it takes.
I don't really care what happens to Hillary in her personal life, if she gets fined/goes to jail/is given a president medal of freedom for her service, none of that matters to me!
I do care if she is elected president after she had demonstrated reckless behavior that many of us would have lost our jobs over. She isn't fit to serve and this is proof of that much. The standard of being suitable to lead the free world ought to be a little higher than "well technically she isn't a felon".
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Personally, I would love to see Trump vs Sanders. And perhaps a good showing from a Libertarian Candidate to really screw up the Electoral College.
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Many of you chide conservatives for not listening to experts on climate change, yet you became an Instant Expert on email and secrecy law here. What gives?
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That's not true. Legions will support her because she has a "D" after her name. Seriously, a hen could be running and get 30% of the vote if it had a "D" after it's name. Same is true for the republicans and an "R" after there name. The problem is we are voting for PARTY above the PERSON. Biggest flipping mistake a human can make in selecting leaders.
Few people understand how bad party loyalty is.
... well to be honest ... stupidly. Politicians are as corrupt as the voters allow them to be. If they cross a line voters can throw them out of office. The problem is that "line" represents are very high threshold, party loyalty is one of the main reasons for such a high threshold.
If a person is loyal to a party then all parties consider that person irrelevant. Their party may ignore them because they already have their vote. Other parties may ignore them because they can not get their vote.
Party loyalty encourages political corruption. Contrary to popular belief the 99% are in control, it is still a one person one vote system. In such a system votes are the true currency of politics. The voters simply spend their votes
For politicians to behave reasonably well they must either (1) personally be of high integrity or (2) fear the voters. Which is more likely?
People have to vote punitively if the system is to be reformed. If an incumbent has a history of misbehavior -- actual misdeeds not an honest disagreement on policy -- they need to be voted out of office. Period. No exception. No consideration of their party or the party of a viable opponent. Above all else a politician wants to stay in office. If voters adopt a punitive voting policy then a darwinian process will occur, politicians will learn to fear the voter and to behave more reasonably. They must learn that there is no loyal base to save them, no amount of money for campaign ads that will save them once they have crossed that "line". Its a process, it will take time, there is not alternative, no quick solution, no "magic bullet" legislation that will reform the system. There is only changing voter behavior.
Belong to a party. Be involved in your party. But do not vote for your party or party's platform. Vote for, or punitively against, a particular candidate. That is the only way for voters to maintain control over politicians.
Also if the other party just plainly has a better candidate vote for that other party's candidate. That addresses a secondary problem, the poor quality of party candidates. They only way to force the party to choose better candidate is to have the party member vote for someone else. Again, no loyal base. If you tolerate an idiot because they are your party's candidate you will just get more idiots in the future.
I don't really care what classified documents Hillary was emailing with other members of our own government. Yes, I realize that there is a massive risk that foreign governments could have intercepted them. I acknowledge that is a huge risk.
Hillary has repeated several times that all of her emails with the state department, etc are properly documented and could be subject to FOIA requests. This is technically correct, we could get copies of any emails sent to/from Hillary Clinton and other members of our government.
What really concerns me, that I see nobody talking about is: we have no clue and no record that we can trust that documents Hillary Clinton's communications with governments not our own. What were the communications with the head of the State Department was having with Russia, China, Iran, etc? I understand that a great many of these communications may be "classified" or otherwise sensitive and not something for general public consumption today. But we will *never* be able to FOIA such documents 25, 50 or 100 years from now. Our inability to re-construct the details of historical events in the future has been greatly damaged.
The simple fact that even our own president can't say "get me every damn email that Clinton has sent to Russia" should be worrying to everybody.
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We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Trump's popularity is a mile wide and an inch deep - it's all name recognition. Once people start to hear some of the other candidates, you're going to see that lead erode, and fast.
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Having served as a Security Manager in the United States Navy, I can with clarity and proper knowledge clearly state that when creating any document, the drafter of the document is responsible for taking appropriate steps to properly classify said document. There is no excuse for not knowing because to gain assess to classified information, you must acknowlede in writing after completing training that you are aware of the above. There is no excuse. Anyone else would already be in jail.
Everybody seems to be ignoring the most important questions:
1. What kind of server was it?
2. What OS?
3. Which MTA?
I mean, if she rescued some old Sun pizza box from the dumpster, installed Gentoo and a heavily patched Qmail, then she gets my vote for sure! If it was a Dell running Windows Server and Exchange ... well ... that bitch can go straight to hell.
She's not anyone else. She's Hillary. Laws are for little people.
Sounds like you read "How to Lie with Statistics", since the sheer number of EO's means nothing compared with the contents.
When the next president has "only" 33 but they are packed with hated directives, I'm sure you will be similarly sanguine...
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These are not serious people that take their jobs seriously. They're status seeking climbers that have long ago surpassed their competency.
Neither Hillary nor Kerry are sharp or serious enough to hold these jobs. They have no concept of the responsibility they're assuming or the fundamental adjustments in attitude they require.
A birthday clown does not have the same mentality as a general commanding an invasion into hostile territory. A guy flipping burgers does not have the same mentality as a guy preforming open heart surgery.
I'm not talking about education or experience but how seriously you're taking what you're doing. You have to understand that if you fuck up people die. That if you fuck up a war could start and it will be your fault even if no one ever fingers you with the blame.
Who here thinks Hillary was a competent head of state? Kerry? They're birthday clowns.
I feel comfortable with them doing something that isn't life or death. I think Hillary was fine in the US Senate for example... same with Kerry. I think the Senate is a great place for people like that if they have to be in government... you could die in that job and who would even notice? Your ability to do real harm in the Senate is limited by the other forces that will control that sort of behavior.
But as the head of the state department? what the fuck is Obama thinking putting these morons in charge of that? What is the game?
I don't know... I want to believe Obama is a mysterious genius but the more I see nonsense like this the more I think he's in over his head as well.
Could I do a better job? it sounds like the height of arrogance. But I wouldn't put career politicians with no real track record of competence besides loyalty to a political faction into positions of that much power. I'd pick people that lived and breathed foreign policy. Someone that perhaps was an expert in the region that was most problematic. I would be very happy to grab someone that was relatively low status but high intelligence/competence and just put them in that seat.
We have this ossifying political structure where only people that were previously powerful can be accepted to other powerful positions. That's the old kings and nobles system. Fuck that. Grab no bodies that are most competent and put them in the seat.
The only place I want to see these two idiots is with their faces painted making balloon animals.
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