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Clinton Surrendering Email Server/Data To Feds After Top Secret Mail Found
An anonymous reader writes: Hillary Clinton's lawyer has surrendered three thumb drives with copies of emails from her server to the Justice Department, which is also where the controversial Clinton personal email server is destined as well. The FBI determined that Clinton's lawyer could no longer retain the thumb drives after two emails from a small sample were found to contain information classified as "Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information," which would also taint the server. There is no evidence that encryption was used to protect the emails. From the limited reviews to date, Secretary Clinton and her aides exchanged emails containing classified information with at least six people with private email addresses. So far four of Clinton's top aides have turned over emails to the State Department, and there are demands that six more do so. The State Department's inspector general has stated that his office is reviewing "the use of personal communications hardware and software by five secretaries of state and their immediate staffs." Current U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry has stated, "it is very likely" that China and Russia are reading his emails.
The Republican presidential lineup this year has been a source of near endless amusement, but they have NOTHING on the Dems throwing their weight behind Hillary. She should be whiling away her time behind bars, not running for POTUS. What a fucking mess.
Here's hoping she's charged and impeached before she's even elected.
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People in those positions really do think they are above the law. Unbelievable that it took this long for something to happen. Unless this is some very complicated CIA/NSA red hering operation to give false intel to the enemy, she and everyone involved should be stripped of clearances and fired. That is EXACTLY what would happen to me and anyone else who tried this game.
Those two emails were classified retroactively. This isn't a new story.
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just more of that vast right wing conspiracy's war on women.
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Kerry quote from the article: "...the latest means of spying is to be going after peoples' cyber."
I have a cyber? Where is my cyber? What does my cyber look like? How would I go about finding my cyber? Sounds like it could be fun. I wanna play with my cyber. But I have to protect my cyber so other people can't spy on my cyber. My cyber is private. Only my doctor can touch my cyber. No means no.
Posting as AC for some degree of anonymity. Knowing what a clearance like a TS/SCI entails, her responding to, and handling classified mails, in her private mail system shows either a complete ignorance of what she took an oath to protect, or complete disregard for her oath. Either is just so troubling.
She said so. Anybody saying anything differently is part of a vast right wing conspiracy. Unless they say "was," which is different than "is," the meaning of which depends on which Clinton you're talking to.
It's not even about the risky, lazy handling of her official government documents, or the years she waited before turning her cherry-picked selection (no official emails sent for two months while dealing with Libya, really?) from her collection over to State as she was required to - at the very latest - as she left her office. It's about how dumb she's trying to pretend everyone is, and how phony her attempt to dismiss this is - it's about as sincere as the on-demand phony southern accent (or her Urban Church-y dialect) she uses depending how how she assesses the audience she thinks she's talking to that moment. The condescension would be galling if it weren't so transparent and (you'd think!) embarrassing. But she's so impervious to embarrassment over hypocrisy or being caught lying that it really doesn't matter at this point - she's been working on not letting that bother her since before she started putting up with Bill's abuses in Arkansas.
I'm not sure what the DoJ thinks they're going to find on an Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind wiped server, though.Those drives are cleaner by now than the day they were manufactured.
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to go to prison.
"Now, I doubt any of you would prefer a rolled up newspaper as a weapon against a dictator or a criminal intruder."
There's also the problem of writing something that you think is unclassified, but then, on later inspection, it turns out to be classified. This is particularly a problem with projects/programs where the details of the classification guide (what is and isn't classified) is itself classified. Someone who's uncleared can write something that in the possession of someone else (who has other information) turns out to be classified.
This is the whole aggregation problem. little pieces are unclassified by themselves, but classified at a high level when brought together.
And yes, you depend on the markings to know what's classified and what's not when you receive it.
This is the IRS email thing all over again... "oh you can't have the email because I destroyed it"... *click* I will blow your fucking brains out if you don't hand it over... I am not fucking around. "Oh THAT email... why didn't you ask... it was right up my cunt... here you go."
Seriously... liar liar pants suit on fire.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
Actually it is every federal member's job to ensure the protection of classified information. That includes self-identifying if the information is classified or not and reporting it immediately. Secret level information can be sometimes confused with FOUO or even full out unclassified, but TS/SCI is awfully easy to spot (would the release of this information cause substantial damage to the United States).
Yep, it's all there. We'll see 'em all soon, for sure.
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And, conversely, one can try to spin this as a Democrat or Republican thing.
I think that's pointless bullshit.
I think we've entered an era where all politicians, and probably most corporations, are blatantly doing things to avoid oversight, ignore the rules, or pretend it didn't happen.
I'm pretty much of the opinion they're all crooked lying bastards, they're all gaming the system, and they're all actively doing stuff slightly off the books.
And they're all using national secrecy and presidential decrees and anything they can find to hide it, gloss over it, or pretend it never happened.
It's society who pays the price so these assholes can act as if the rules don't apply to them. But make no mistake about it, it's safer to assume they're all doing it than naively think this is an isolated case.
Bush sure as hell did it too.
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Not to worry, she probably has some patsy lined up to take the fall for her. At some point she'll probably claim she didn't know the mail server was at her house, and didn't know that she sent classified documents to personal email addresses because all this technology is so darned confusing.
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Mostly right.
It is an intrinsic part of any security clearance that you make every effort to ensure that documents are classified correctly before they leave your possession regardless of what if any classification they had when they were delivered to you. If a contractor with basic Secret clearance forwarded something to a gmail account that contained secret information but was unlabelled, they'd be stripped of clearance and prosecuted.
On top of that debate, last I checked, willfully refusing to comply with a judge's order is enough to get a mere citizen to spend years in jail. By that alone Hillary Clinton should be spending her time in prison.
Now if there was suspected classified information on anyone else's mail server, would the government wait for proof or seize the server, look through it, and then say "My bad!" and give it back to you.
This was all done to make sure she had time to clean that server up and make it presentable, so no Clintons end in jail.
Why has encrypted email not become an easy to use standard in all our mail programs and webmail services?
Because you web/email/network administrators have dropped the ball, that's why.
Wow. Every comment critical of Her Heinous the Liar is being modded down.
Sorry, she ain't gonna be President. Every damn dirty trick the Clintons could pull has been done to clear the Democratic Party of any opposition, and she STILL can't get positive press.
Call it stupidity, call it incompetent or call it illegal. Clinton did wrong having a off site server not controlled by anyone but the Clinton's. Not saying she deliberately did this to have a denial ability about her actions as Secretary of State. But she is certainly smart enough to know how to cover her tracks. Of which the Clinton's have definitely had a history of having to do that. What I am most ashamed of is how the Democrat's appear more concerned about how this looks in regards to Hillary and the party. Then how this information could present security issues for the Country. Stop making excuses for her Democrat's. She did wrong, so let's find out how bad it was.
Because her name Clinton not Petraeus. He only had a confidential memo in his desk, a bit harder to hack. Nothing like Top Secret documents on an unprotected home server.
Any normal person would have their security clearance revoked after a breech of much lesser magnitude, which interestingly makes you unable to perform a job that requires handling classified material, it's one of the few ways to actually get fired from a government job.
Just another facet of our societies aristocracy, they are above the rules. (note this has nothing to do with party, both side get far too many free passes)
Servergate... She deserves being charged with treason, among other charges, but will get off scott-free.
I'm not a Federal employee and I work in "Corporate America" and I know that if I told people to not use my bob@corporateemail.com but instead send it to bob@gmail.com or bob@myprivateserver.com, I would be terminated pretty fast. Regardless if the content I was reading was marked as public, classified or highly classified. Even when we have new employees who do not yet have a corp ID/email address yet and want to use their own laptop for the first week, we cannot send them email to their personal accounts.
How did she get away with this basic violation regardless if there are classified or non-classified emails.
How did she get people to send email to her personal server? Did she just set up her federal account to forward it to her automatically or did she start also telling people (lots of people), "Please send it to hillary@clintonemail.com?
Not everyone who communicates with one another can ever actually meet and exchange key ids, so they need trusted introducers (and even then, that's usually not so bad). But it's hard to believe that for all the people that she was talking to, she never met any of them (which would make a key exchange easy). They ought to have at least pretty-well-verified (and usually very-well-verified) keys for one another other.
The usual "business" reasons for why people blow off security ("I never actually met the customer in person and all the people in between are fuckwitted technophobes") wouldn't seem to apply. I would really like to hear her excuse for why this stuff wasn't encrypted. It's too easy to not do.
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Quit yelling because it wasn't illegal until 2 years after she left that position, Moron
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
She's accomplished one thing very well: harming American tech workers.
Traitor politician Hillary Clinton brought TATA into Buffalo, NY, on the guise of "creating jobs for NYS." Sure, TATA has a FANTASTIC (sarcasm) track record when it comes to creating jobs in the U.S.! They almost exclusively employ Indian nationals on temporary worker visas OR they ship the work offshore to India.
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Anyone who's ever had his/her cybering find its way to eyeballs outside of the intended audience knows just how awful that is. So yeah - John Kerry talking dirty. You're welcome for that visual, slashdice.
Eloi are stupid, throw morlocks at them!
are you saying that the Secretary of State, of the United States of America, could not be the source of any classified information?
i do not think you understand how classification works.
trust me, it's a real PITA. which is why i'll never deal with classified information again.
Do the Democrats at this point have any alternative to Clinton? If this forces Clinton out of the race, a Trump presidency becomes a much more likely and scarier scenario.
Once again, the defense appears which really should have a name by now. When an (R) does something despicable, it is proof positive that all (R) are horrid people and need to be cast out of politics, permanently. When a (D) does something despicable, we all need to band together and discard petty things like party politics and forget that it was a (D). This despite the fact that the American Left utterly hates the opposition and says so loudly on a daily basis. This attitude comes up again and again and again.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
U.S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 101, Section 2071, Paragraph a: “Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”
Paragraph b: Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.
That's the law, right there - plain and simple. She should be barred from holding any office in the U.S., and yet her supporters constantly defend her regardless of the reeking corruption and criminality. I get that you won't vote for a conservative, but why don't you at least try to find someone who's not criminal?
I don't get it about foreign governments nosing thru Kerry's email. He's admitting that, despite all the CIA/NSA/etc black spook encryption tech he could conceivably use, he's stuck with google mail?
In other news:
- Donald Trump has been sending all of his email to a server in Mexico because it's cheaper than handling it in the USA.
- Chris Christie is still using Hotmail, and last week he had the entire service shut down for four days to spite everyone who hasn't endorsed him in the primaries.
- Ted Cruz was using the email address "tcruz@bell.ca" up until 2014. He insists he had no way of knowing it was Canadian.
- Jeb Bush has technically never received an email in his life. He has an intern print each item in his inbox and read it out loud to him. Sometimes he asks for pictures to go with it.
- Carly Fiorina also had her email printed for her, but she removed all of the printers from her office in 2004 as a cost-cutting measure.
- Rand Paul supports the abolition of mail servers entirely, and believes that each individual email should make its own decision as to how it is going to be delivered.
- Rick Santorum last received email in 2003 when his last name started being blocked by profanity filters.
I don't get that one thought. Hillary has some real problems with likeability and trust as it is even without e-mailgate. The DNC could take her out of the running now and replace her easily with no harm to their general election chances.
On the other hand not aggressive prosecuting her means the GOP in congress will have an excuse to continue calling her to testify. It means someone unknown could come forward with more information at a potentially bad time like days or weeks before the poll etc.
Honestly if I were a DNC strategist I'd be asking her to step aside, so that Biden can fill void. If she would not step aside I'd threaten to lobby the Obama admin to investigate and prosecute the crap out of her destroying her electability as quickly as possible.
I suspect the fact the Obama Justice Department isn't being more aggressive is because they fear culpability might extend outward. Its not like plenty of people did not recognize they were mailing her somewhere that was not a .gov or .mil. A less than rigorous investigation is probably about protecting others, possibly Obama himself, to avoid opening up what did so-and-so known and when did they know it type questions.
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Not its not her job. However the security of the Nation is and so she should still be aware when handling sensitive information. She should better than most be in a position to recognize when something that is unclassified perhaps ought to be and care about that. She could enough about operational security to care a second cell phone for personal/family matters if that is what it takes.
I don't really care what happens to Hillary in her personal life, if she gets fined/goes to jail/is given a president medal of freedom for her service, none of that matters to me!
I do care if she is elected president after she had demonstrated reckless behavior that many of us would have lost our jobs over. She isn't fit to serve and this is proof of that much. The standard of being suitable to lead the free world ought to be a little higher than "well technically she isn't a felon".
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Now *that's* a good name for a rock band.
*Still* negative function...
Many of you chide conservatives for not listening to experts on climate change, yet you became an Instant Expert on email and secrecy law here. What gives?
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Sounds like a regular politician. These are the qualities that have won elections for millennia. You can't get that high up without 'making deals'. Where's the beef?
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No, you're wrong. In 2014, they amended the law to be more strict, but deleting records was already illegal, as was storing classified information on unauthorized personal servers. See here for a more thorough explanation.
Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
Declaring her a criminal without presenting any qualifications for making such legal judgements, nor giving details of legal reasoning using actual quoted laws should be considered below the standards of Slashdot and they should not have received the mod-points they did. If they had done either, I may not have complained so intensely.
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Well, speaking as someone from outside of America ... your R's screech just as loudly about how they hate the D's and with just as much frequency.
What you have is two groups with polarized ideologies who are convinced the other is ruining the nation. Poo flinging monkeys.
From the rest of the world's perspective, they're all still in favor of selling the farm to corporate interests, engaging in treaty negotiations which mostly further corporate interests, are still interested in undermining your rights and freedoms, and entirely willing to decide the rights and freedoms of the rest of the world are irrelevant.
So, basically it seems like you're fucked either way, and by extension so is the rest of the world as every other government follows this mania of terrorism/copyright/child porn being used to trump every law, freedom, right, and anything else they can think of.
But keep telling yourself it's an RvD issue instead of a steady dissolution of governments being covered under the rule of law, or doing anything to defend the rights of their citizens.
Me, I think pretty much every government on the planet is now actively hostile to anything except protecting corporate interests at our expense, and forcing a surveillance society on us under the guise of keeping us safe and free.
Freedom is slavery, bitches.
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When a (D) does something despicable, we all need to band together and discard petty things like party politics and forget that it was a (D). This despite the fact that the American Left utterly hates the opposition and says so loudly on a daily basis..
That or say it should be ignored since a "Republican did it".
I run into this with my kids all the time when they get in trouble "but she did it too". It's sad to see that a lot of people have never outgrown this mentality.
She should be whiling away her time behind bars
You, Sir, and NOT an expert on email and secrecy law.
And YOU Sir, "are" not an expert on Hillary and the variety of reasons why she should be in jail, much less email and secrecy laws...
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That's not true. Legions will support her because she has a "D" after her name. Seriously, a hen could be running and get 30% of the vote if it had a "D" after it's name. Same is true for the republicans and an "R" after there name. The problem is we are voting for PARTY above the PERSON. Biggest flipping mistake a human can make in selecting leaders.
Few people understand how bad party loyalty is.
... well to be honest ... stupidly. Politicians are as corrupt as the voters allow them to be. If they cross a line voters can throw them out of office. The problem is that "line" represents are very high threshold, party loyalty is one of the main reasons for such a high threshold.
If a person is loyal to a party then all parties consider that person irrelevant. Their party may ignore them because they already have their vote. Other parties may ignore them because they can not get their vote.
Party loyalty encourages political corruption. Contrary to popular belief the 99% are in control, it is still a one person one vote system. In such a system votes are the true currency of politics. The voters simply spend their votes
For politicians to behave reasonably well they must either (1) personally be of high integrity or (2) fear the voters. Which is more likely?
People have to vote punitively if the system is to be reformed. If an incumbent has a history of misbehavior -- actual misdeeds not an honest disagreement on policy -- they need to be voted out of office. Period. No exception. No consideration of their party or the party of a viable opponent. Above all else a politician wants to stay in office. If voters adopt a punitive voting policy then a darwinian process will occur, politicians will learn to fear the voter and to behave more reasonably. They must learn that there is no loyal base to save them, no amount of money for campaign ads that will save them once they have crossed that "line". Its a process, it will take time, there is not alternative, no quick solution, no "magic bullet" legislation that will reform the system. There is only changing voter behavior.
Belong to a party. Be involved in your party. But do not vote for your party or party's platform. Vote for, or punitively against, a particular candidate. That is the only way for voters to maintain control over politicians.
Also if the other party just plainly has a better candidate vote for that other party's candidate. That addresses a secondary problem, the poor quality of party candidates. They only way to force the party to choose better candidate is to have the party member vote for someone else. Again, no loyal base. If you tolerate an idiot because they are your party's candidate you will just get more idiots in the future.
Why is Hillary Clinton more reluctant to talk about her record than Martha Stewart? I think of Martha Stewart because she could give the the state of the union address during a cooking show called, *Your Goose is Cooked!*
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Bill is hoping for a conviction, and a contribution to the Obama Presidential Library will discourage pardons...
He will be able to have the "Energizer" over all of the time.
Apparently the Secret Service assigned to her will be happier too.
Is that experience why you post as an Anonymous Coward?
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I don't really care what classified documents Hillary was emailing with other members of our own government. Yes, I realize that there is a massive risk that foreign governments could have intercepted them. I acknowledge that is a huge risk.
Hillary has repeated several times that all of her emails with the state department, etc are properly documented and could be subject to FOIA requests. This is technically correct, we could get copies of any emails sent to/from Hillary Clinton and other members of our government.
What really concerns me, that I see nobody talking about is: we have no clue and no record that we can trust that documents Hillary Clinton's communications with governments not our own. What were the communications with the head of the State Department was having with Russia, China, Iran, etc? I understand that a great many of these communications may be "classified" or otherwise sensitive and not something for general public consumption today. But we will *never* be able to FOIA such documents 25, 50 or 100 years from now. Our inability to re-construct the details of historical events in the future has been greatly damaged.
The simple fact that even our own president can't say "get me every damn email that Clinton has sent to Russia" should be worrying to everybody.
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She's a politician, what does everyone expect? They are all the same and will always be. What's the argument here?
You're wrong, and you know it. Handling classified information in the way she did has been felony-level bad for decades.
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The sentencing process is irrelevant, really. Hillary Clinton simply needs to be convicted of a Felony. That prevents her from running for the office of President.
In the case of Hillary, that might be considered Cruel and Unusual Punishment, however, so she might squeak out of it that way.
Indict her now!!! What a disturbing mess this is. She needs to quietly walk away and in return there MIGHT not be any charges.
Did you not receive your copy of the Democrat talking points?
She was also planning to use teamviewer for The Button.
"Hillary is calculating, corrupt, and evil."
At that level of American (maybe even non american in some cases) politic pretty much all politician are corrupt and probably having sociopathic tendencies (evil if you prefer).
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Depends on their mood and other supporting evidence... such an action could be seen as anticipatory obstruction of justice.
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Maybe it's time for Scooter Libby to run for POTUS ?
Or Armitage?
is that her email server was compromised almost the entire time she was using it...and someone who hacked it also turned over information about the CIA's "The Annex" outpost to the eventual attackers in Benghazi. Of course, the idea that the people living around the area might have noticed the additional CIA agents (at least, what, 20-50 people working in The Annex?) and told someone might be more realistic...but I like the idea that she accidentally burned our agents via poor ITSEC just seems far more satisfying.
Petraeus was just the sacrificial goat offered up by the intelligence community for their own lapses in security and policy / procedures.
Shouldn't personal email directed to a person be considered - private - even for Secretary of States. What about the right to privacy of the people who communicated with Clinton. Isn't this whole controversy being exploited by Clintons enemies in Washington.
I had a Top Secret clearance for 15 or 20 years before I retired. We never received any classified email. You had to have a screen room or tempist computer to even use secure email. Our agency had none. After the OPM hack ..would be hard to say if anything is secure any more.
There are separate air gapped networks for the major classification levels. Within those networks you can send email and it should be pretty safe, although even there the rule is to encrypt. Without those networks for sharing and distributing information you might as well not collect it. Running a modern government without such technologies is practically speaking impossible.
Everybody seems to be ignoring the most important questions:
1. What kind of server was it?
2. What OS?
3. Which MTA?
I mean, if she rescued some old Sun pizza box from the dumpster, installed Gentoo and a heavily patched Qmail, then she gets my vote for sure! If it was a Dell running Windows Server and Exchange ... well ... that bitch can go straight to hell.
Sounds like you read "How to Lie with Statistics", since the sheer number of EO's means nothing compared with the contents.
When the next president has "only" 33 but they are packed with hated directives, I'm sure you will be similarly sanguine...
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Somebody is throwing around some serious mod power in this post.
Nobody is required to keep records around in case somebody wants to use them for evidence later. If the disks were wiped before any official investigation started, that's probably OK.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
I don't think a simple felony conviction would preclude her from running/being elected... however if we were lucky enough to find evidence she knowingly destroyed some data she shouldn't have, she could be convicted under USC Title 18, Part 1 Chapter 101, Section 2071:
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That depends on when the wipe actually happened.
If the erasure/destruction happened as she was leaving State... such a case would be hard to prove.
David Kernell would beg to differ. Who is he? The guy who hacked Sarah Palin's email account & posted the results on 4Chan then destroyed the local evidence... but only after being told by someone there that they had contacted the FBI about the matter. He's a felon now as a result, not for the hack, but trying to destroy the evidence after he had reason to believe the law had just been informed.
If the wipe had occurred say... the day after she received a subpoena, then she's going to have a problem.
How do you know when it happened? Unless you are doing a dban on the entire drive, most erasure programs you run on a local machine tend to leave enough information that a forensics person can identify not only as a sign that a wipe happened, but even sometimes when.
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"U.S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 101, Section 2071, Paragraph a: “Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”
Paragraph b: Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States."
Seems to be an offence right there
Classified document leak? Do you think Hillary Clinton will manage to flee to Hong Kong and then get asylum in Russia?
If anyone pulled something like this they would be facing criminal charges in a hurry. There are many misconceptions people seem to have about classified. Perhaps things are different outside the DOE, but: 1. No classified may be emailed over public networks even if encrypted, because, 2. No classified may exist outside of the classified network which is air gapped from internet exposed networks, period! 3. If you aren't absolutely 100.000% sure information is not classified, you do not move forward with any action until consulting with a specialist who can make determinations of what is classified. Public officials who violate the laws that would send me to the slammer immediately if I broke them should face an even stricter standard.
Others have stated similarly, but as someone who has been responsible for classifying material, *you* are responsible for classifying it appropriately- and you always err on the side of caution. You have to classify each paragraph, and if necessary, each sentence. This is a big deal. And , as someone else mentioned, this does taint the entire server. Google "classified spill" for lovely details.
You're unaware of the rules and the laws involved (though since this story has been out for months, you've had time to acquaint yourself), or you are aware of them and you know you're a spinning, lying shill. Either way, aren't you just a little embarrassed?
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I bet you that the server was handed over to Obama's DoJ with hard drives manufactured after Hillary Clinton left office...
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Remember how her Rose Law billing records 'mysteriously' just appeared on the table in the Private a Residence portion of the White House? The Private a Residence is, arguably, one of the most secure places in the a White House, which is, arguably, one of the most secure buildings in the world...
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Occam's Razor: After all the Hillary conspiracies and accusations for 25 odd years, either she's a mastermind crook for hiding many dozens of smoking guns, or those who make those volumes of accusations are full of shit and bias.
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Let me make this clear; I do believe she's a political gamer who dances on the border of the law, but so is every other politician out there. Honest politicians can't compete in a sound-bite world. It's slime-bag versus slime-bag.
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These are not serious people that take their jobs seriously. They're status seeking climbers that have long ago surpassed their competency.
Neither Hillary nor Kerry are sharp or serious enough to hold these jobs. They have no concept of the responsibility they're assuming or the fundamental adjustments in attitude they require.
A birthday clown does not have the same mentality as a general commanding an invasion into hostile territory. A guy flipping burgers does not have the same mentality as a guy preforming open heart surgery.
I'm not talking about education or experience but how seriously you're taking what you're doing. You have to understand that if you fuck up people die. That if you fuck up a war could start and it will be your fault even if no one ever fingers you with the blame.
Who here thinks Hillary was a competent head of state? Kerry? They're birthday clowns.
I feel comfortable with them doing something that isn't life or death. I think Hillary was fine in the US Senate for example... same with Kerry. I think the Senate is a great place for people like that if they have to be in government... you could die in that job and who would even notice? Your ability to do real harm in the Senate is limited by the other forces that will control that sort of behavior.
But as the head of the state department? what the fuck is Obama thinking putting these morons in charge of that? What is the game?
I don't know... I want to believe Obama is a mysterious genius but the more I see nonsense like this the more I think he's in over his head as well.
Could I do a better job? it sounds like the height of arrogance. But I wouldn't put career politicians with no real track record of competence besides loyalty to a political faction into positions of that much power. I'd pick people that lived and breathed foreign policy. Someone that perhaps was an expert in the region that was most problematic. I would be very happy to grab someone that was relatively low status but high intelligence/competence and just put them in that seat.
We have this ossifying political structure where only people that were previously powerful can be accepted to other powerful positions. That's the old kings and nobles system. Fuck that. Grab no bodies that are most competent and put them in the seat.
The only place I want to see these two idiots is with their faces painted making balloon animals.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
"from what you can tell", it's unreasonable to expect Hillary Clinton to observe necessary protocols for handling potentially top secret documents on a secure government computer, and in fact we should be THANKING her, because the fact that government servers have been hacked before clearly means it "MAY HAVE BEEN" that her unsecured server was maybe somehow MORE secure than the government server it would have been stored on had she felt an obligation to do things the proper way. Aha. ha. ha. Please, don't hold back on what you really think.
I have worked for the Federal government and its contractors in the past, held a top secret clearance (with SCI and various compartments) and have been certified as a data transfer officer.
Training on how to identify mismarked documents, including documents which bear no markings? No such thing. The closest any training gets is telling you how to handle the situation if you -suspect- that you've encountered mismarked documents.
Think about it for a moment. How would you even know whether an unmarked document is classified? That's a circular reasoning fallacy: the markings are what tells your whether and at what level the material is classified.
Moderating "-1, Disagree" is simple censorship. Have the guts to post your opinion.