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The Fastest-Growing Tech State Is... Minnesota
Nerval's Lobster writes: What's the fastest-growing state for technology jobs? You might be tempted to say California or New York, or even North Carolina. But according to new data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, it's actually Minnesota, which saw the size of its tech workforce jump 8.36 percent over the past six months, to 37,600 workers. Utah and Nebraska came in second and third on the list of fastest-growing states, with six-month tech-employment gains of 5.75 percent and 5.22 percent, respectively. Michigan and Florida came in fourth and fifth. States with smallish tech-worker populations can enjoy heady growth rates by adding relatively few workers. But not all states saw their tech workforce grow in the first half of 2015. Four states—Pennsylvania, Washington, North Carolina, and Alabama—actually saw their workforce decline by 0.61 percent, 0.63 percent, 2.36 percent, and 3.52 percent, respectively, during the period in question. The declines in Washington and North Carolina may come as a surprise to anyone following those states' tech industries, which are quite robust. In Washington's case, layoffs at Microsoft and other firms over the past few months may have contributed to the slight decline.
So Dice is posting about a Dice story that references government reports, but provides links only to Dice job searches. Why would it be so damaging to link to the actual data?
There they go, creating tech jobs and all that. Terrible people, they are.
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Whether something is the fastest growing has a lot to do with where it started. It's a lot easier to double a small number than it is to double a big one. I wouldn't expect traditional tech hubs like California or Massachusetts to grow fast because they are already large. It's not even a little surprising that some place not normally considered a hotspot for tech jobs would grow the fastest.
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When you start with a small denominator, small changes in the numerator show as large proportions or high growth rates. This is why politicians like to point to trough-to-peak numbers when talking about their own records and peak-to-trough when talking about their political opponents. It's why some little rinky-dink county in New Mexico has the highest recorded per-capita death rate from traffic accidents—there was one fatal car crash there at a time when the county population was half a dozen people. It's why a high-school science project reported a 66.7% mortality rate when supplements were added to frog's diets—only one of the frogs lived.
You guys don't have elections? Seems like if it was one party's fault, that could easily be rectified.
I saw an old documentary (Fargo). The women seem nice and slutty and willing to throw a funny looking dude some love.
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Maybe they should rank by number of jobs instead of % growth. When you go from 0 to something, the % is far greater than something big to something bigger...
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Except that the Minneapolis metro area is the 16th largest metropolitan area by population in the US. So I would say a fair number of people live there. Now if you move say more than 30 miles outside the metro, the populations drop off fast.
There are a few exceptions of course like Rochester which is home to the famed Mayo Clinic.
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In the 80s 3M was desperate for Engineers. They spent a fortune attracting 100+ CA engineers and tracked the results. At the end of the second winter they had one left. He was from there originally.
For those considering it. Fargo is a documentary. Beware.
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Flyover states have cheap energy, because it's the only way they can attract businesses. There's only one problem... nobody wants to live there.
Right now I am doing a short term contract in Salt Lake City for a high tech manufacturing firm. When I got here I bought "60 hikes within 60 miles of Salt Lake City" and have been hitting the trails every weekend - and the majority of the hikes are within 30 minutes of where I live.. The place abounds with hiking, mountain biking and horse trails covering terrain from desert to 10,000 foot peaks. When winter hits this will all turn to skiing and snowmobiling. If none of that fitness stuff is what you like, I have heard machine guns being fired at local gun ranges. Or if not that .. there is a variety of arts as well - the Book of Mormon was playing here a few weeks ago, but unfortunately I missed it. So there is plenty of things to do for all sorts of people.
The downside to UT is of course the confluence of politics and religion. As an example you can only buy wine at state run ABC shops, and the beer you can buy at the supermarkets is not very strong. And the state does have a strong conservative streak. On the other hand there is a bit of public art down town showing a flying saucer with a human dressed as a Mormon missionary standing behind the alien flying the ship - so some people have a decent sense of humor.
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Yeah! When you start out really close to zero it is easy to get a big percent growth. If there are 1000 jobs in a state and 100 new jobs are added, that is 10% growth. If you only started out at 10 jobs and had 100 new jobs created, that is 1000% growth. Look how well we are doing.
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Tech has been humming along in MN for a while. Apparently not based on absolute size. I'm going off what I know about the job market and what types of companies are in the MSP metro area. Minneapolis has quite a bit. There's also a decent tech cluster in the Bloomington, Edina, and Eden Prairie cluster of cities in the suburbs.
You're a "team manager" for a "Fortune 500" company and you don't know how to spell "Austin, TX"? -- FAIL!
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Target is headquartered in Minneapolis. I suspicion they hired more than a few IT folk to help mop-up the blood.
For those considering it. Fargo is a caricature. Beware.
I've lived in the Minneapolis/St Paul area my entire life and have rarely ever heard anyone talk like that. Weather wise, around minneapolis (where the vast majority of the tech workers will be found) the temperature varies from a windy around -20 F in the deepest part of winter to around 100 F & high humidity in the hottest days of summer.
These days, you would be talking about that other Birmingham. And not just if Aston Villa loses to Manchester United.
the Book of Mormon was playing here a few weeks ago, but unfortunately I missed it.
It's OK, you can catch the recap on South Park.
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Not when the party in power actively works to suppress the other side from being able to vote.
North Carolina has the worst record on voting rights. If you're black, you can expect to wait in line 24 times longer to vote than white people. If you need a state ID, and you're black, you're going to have to drive three times farther to get a new ID, and if you're black, you can expect to have your congressional district gerrymandered into the neighboring four Republican districts, thus diminishing your vote. Black people in North Carolina have traditionally been the population most likely to use early voting. So of course, the Republican legislature in North Carolina decides to cut way back on early voting.
North Carolina is some beautiful country, but the state is run by a bunch of ignorant racist peckerheads. Best to stay away unless for some reason you're looking for a state where the age of consent is 16.
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This pretty much describes northern Arizona, but without the oppressive religious atmosphere.
There is one more difference: around here, if you suddenly hear a lot of gunfire off in the distance, it's just the opening day of tourist season.
Have you ever been to North Carolina?
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You forgot gerrymandering and voter suppression.
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Gowing from Zero to One is infinite growth ;)
Unless you're from Seattle and flying to Chicago, nobody really flies over Minnesota. Planes overhead are either coming or leaving.
Why, you stupid sonofabitch. Are you really so lazy that you couldn't spend ten seconds to learn that Minnesota has been among the states with the highest employment-population ratios for years before these latest statistics before making an ass of yourself? Don't you have any self-respect?
http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/20...
And by the way, the states with the lowest employment-population ratios are (take a guess) West Virginia, Kentucky, Mississippi and New Mexico.
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Except that $200k would be worth more in Minnesota than it would in CA, TX or NY, our cost of living is much lower and your dollar goes much further.
and if you're black, you can expect to have your congressional district gerrymandered into the neighboring four Republican districts, thus diminishing your vote.
I've got an idea, you racist fuck. Just fucking die.
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I believe Asian American is the preferred nomenclature.
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Wow, you are going to call me stupid. You really make yourself look like a complete moron then! You did see that it is tech growth, not all employment, right. Oh, perhaps that is too complicated of a sentence for someone as brain-dead as yourself.
And really, I was simply referring to the fact that having a large growth is a misleading measurement since starting out small makes it much easier to have a large growth. To double 1 person takes only 1 person. To double a million will take another million. But then, doubling your stupidity would take more energy than exists in the known universe, so that is pretty interesting!
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Slashdot, how far you have fallen. On the heels of SourceForge, this story is a perfect example why more of us are seeking elsewhere for our tech news. Have the decency, if you have been paid by Dice for this post, to actually label it as such. A search for this report in the website of the Bureau of Labor Statistics reveals nothing that can be spun as in your story:
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.toc.htm
PLEASE have some integrity, and source/reference your stories.
Doesn't matter. That district will still be the target for "redistricting" because of racism in state government.
The only racist in evidence here is PopeRatzo (965947) who not only doesn't think that blacks can be republicans, but also thinks that blacks want their own segregated voting district.
Segregation supported by a Democrat. They just don't change.
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Here in the northeast, it's the Democrats that usually win when the lines are redrawn. It's part of our system. Someone has to draw the lines, right? No one is going to trust some outside group like the UN to do it. As long as it's done by people, some groups will benefit, others won't. That's not exactly what I'd call a "rigged election". There are no fake ballots or disappearing ballots or polling stations that weren't open or that type of nonsense. Yea, if the district lines were in different places, the results may have been different. But that's always going to be the case.
They can. They just know better for the most part.
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True story. I live just over 10 miles west of downtown Minneapolis and work just under 10 miles further west. Minneapolis has a population of 400,000ish; the suburb I live in has a population around 70,000; the town I work in is about 6,000 and my office is quite literally next to a farm field (I stood in the building and watched the hay baler out the window a couple of weeks ago). My commute goes from reasonable suburb to cornfields in about 7ish miles. By comparison, the house I grew up in 35 miles north of downtown Chicago is in a town similar to where I live now about 10 miles from downtown Minneapolis.
What is your point? Many simply means more than a few. What? Like 5 or 10? That is not very informative.
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Except that $200k would be worth more in Minnesota than it would in CA, TX or NY, our cost of living is much lower and your dollar goes much further.
How do you figure? Consumer Prices in Dallas, TX are 0.81% lower than in Minneapolis, MN
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Dallas, TX are 3.79% lower than in Minneapolis, MN
Rent Prices in Dallas, TX are 9.38% lower than in Minneapolis, MN
Restaurant Prices in Dallas, TX are 5.02% higher than in Minneapolis, MN
Groceries Prices in Dallas, TX are 14.24% lower than in Minneapolis, MN
Local Purchasing Power in Dallas, TX is 0.16% lower than in Minneapolis, MN
So I guess unless you eat out for every meal, Texas is way cheaper.
Not to mention Texas has no state income tax... so add 5% to all of that.
Except you'd be banking it, waiting for the day you leave. Like Saudi and MacMurdo Station.
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Minnesota is #11 (out of 50) for total tech jobs.
So, the denominator is not so small.
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No kidding. I worked in Minneapolis one winter. Just about froze my nads off. Fortunately I was in a hotel and my customer was in an office building that was connected via a covered walkway.- I called it the human ant farm - so I could just zig zag through the walkways without having to go outside. But when I did have to outside - holy shit!
I couldn't wait for spring, which was nice but short. Then came summer and 90% humidity and giant mosquitoes. Almost all of the people I met had lived there for generations. They were used to the cold and it didn't bother them.
It seemed to me like a cleaner, nicer version of Chicago. Same crappy weather, just a little nicer in other ways.
My home town changed its tech worker count by a whooping 800%!
Yeah, they had one IT guy in the administration of the mayor and with the new startup that employs 8 programmers...
In other words, percentages are meaningless if you don't also tell us the total number. Of course the fastest growing tech state simply CANNOT be California. Because you'd have to hire a few thousands if not tens of thousands of tech people to even change it by a single digit percentage. It's far easier to come up with insane looking percentages if the starting point is somewhere near zero.
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Another genius. Minnesota has traditionally had among the highest employment-population ratios in the country from before these latest statistics.
Nice insult. Would be better if your understanding of math improved. Has nothing to do with their employment ratios and everything to do with basic math. If the workforce in State A is 1000 tech workers and you add 8% you now have 1080 workers. If your workforce in State B is 10,000 tech workers and you add 5% you now have 10,500 workers. So State A is "faster growing" percent-wise even though State B actually added almost 7X as many jobs. When you get to big numbers you can add a huge number of jobs without it looking impressive statistically.
Any time you hear someone say something is "fastest growing" it almost always doesn't mean much if they didn't start with a big number. For example Apple has revenue of $182B for the last 12 months. EBay has revenue over the same period of around $17B. Red Hat has revenue around $1.8B. For Apple to grow by 10% next year they will have to create a new business the size of eBay in ONE year. For eBay to grow by 10% they have to create a company the size of Red Hat out of thin air. With no disrespect to Red Hat, it is a lot easier to create a company Red Hat's size than one eBay's size. Apple could literally grow 1/10th as fast and still match eBay's revenue growth just because of their size. So who is really growing faster? The small guy with the big percentage or the big guy with the bigger absolute number?
Minnesota has some great companies headquartered there but relatively few of them are tech companies. They are like eBay in the above example while California is like Apple. MUCH harder to grow the bigger number by the same rate.
New Yorkers are just assholes. They complain about weather that's not even half as bad as ours. Sorry, next.
Well, you must know that New York City is the center of the universe and "The Greatest City in the World". Just ask any New Yorker and they'll be happy to tell you how wonderful New York City is and how crappy wherever you live is.
Though at least they aren't as big of weather weenies as the crowd in Southern California...
To put it another way, the Republicans tend to push minorities away. It's their loss. Lots of Muslims are religious conservatives, who'd be more comfortable in the Republican party, but the Democrats are the ones who accept them.
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Seconded - I work in R&D at a tech company in Minneapolis and our department has a lot of pull and nearly final say in many things since we write the core software the company uses to sell services.
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You understand that 11 out of 50 means way above fucking average, right?
Minnesota has more tech jobs than Florida, Illinois, Ohio, Iowa and thirty-five other states.
Alabama is not a fair comparison.
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