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French Woman Gets €800/month For Electromagnetic-Field 'Disability'
An anonymous reader writes: If you were dismayed to hear Tuesday's news that a school is being sued over Wi-Fi sickness, you might be even more disappointed in a recent verdict by the French judicial system. A court based in Toulouse has awarded a disability claim of €800 (~$898) per month for three years over a 39-year-old woman's "hypersensitivity to electromagnetic waves." Robin Des Toits, an organization that campaigns for "sufferers" of this malady, was pleased: "We can no longer say that it is a psychiatric illness." (Actually, we can and will.) The woman has been living in a remote part of France's south-west mountains with no electricity around. She claims to be affected by common gadgets like cellphones.
Subject says it all. It really is time to start taking lawyers and other bottom feeders to task. Mentally ill people should be treated for their paranoia, not have it confirmed.
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"Well controlled and conducted double-blind studies have shown that symptoms were not correlated with EMF exposure."
Done in one.
Robin Des Toits, an organization that campaigns for "sufferers" of this malady, was pleased.
But not probably as much as their lawyers.
I suffer from hyper-sensitivity to delusional stupidity. I'm living on the same planet as this woman and it's crippling me.
I'm pretty sure ATOS will disagree with this finding!
A documentary isn't a study.
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Even if cellphone radiation increased risk of head and chest cancers (and there is no evidence to demonstrate that, despite questionable and biased documentaries on the subject), such increased risk would have nothing to do with the lady's claimed symptoms, which include real-time maladies like headaches, nausea, fatigue, etc.
Currency sign after the number.
I saw a third party documentary that said the Pyramids were constructed by aliens...
What do you expect from a "modern" welfare state?
"Robin Des Toits", pronounced like: roe-ban day twat The name says it all folks! Only a twat would think that EMF from consumer electronics causes any malady.
Finally, I'll get paid for my magnetic personality!
Table-ized A.I.
Let's see how she reacts when we turn up the power on this microwave here, just a second... there we go.. and see if her head pops. Get your cameras ready...
Ah well, whaddya gonna do? Soon we will discover that maybe we need an alternative to majority rule. We'll know for sure if any of the Scandinavian countries start to follow the same path.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
It is probably cheaper, and definitely more humane to let this person with obvious psychiatric issues live out in the countryside than in an asylum.
She clearly cannot participate in society. In the US, she would be left to suffer her paranoia without any support. In more developed societies, people are supported while they work out their issues.
See, this is why you can't give pseudoscience an inch. Every little success validates it in the eyes of its own practitioners, and legitimizes it in the eyes of the public, until society tumbles down the rabbit hole of paranoia and irrational fear of the harmless on one hand, and blind trust in actually harmful practices on the other hand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
He knows how to deal with this problem - his brother Chuck had the exact same illness. Imagine that - small world indeed!
Oh oh I totally have this as well. Yes, I feel a tingling. Ahhh yes yes it's getting worse. Now I think a headache is staring. There's really no doubt about it I have EMF! Oh crap so jerk just told me it not EMF at all I just at work. Crap.
I was there as an reincarnated sphinx and saw the Aliens land looking for some place to set up a wifi point.
is MORE VOODOO!
Lymes disease, ME, that kinda thing. Not this horse shit.
I'm hypersensitive to idiots, especially idiot politicians. Does that make me qualified to get a few thousand$ a month to compensate me for the headaches I get when in the proximity of such people?
Now that they've started to gain ground, imagine the next steps: they start suing you because your Wi-Fi router is harming them, suing coffee shops and restaurants to remove Wi-Fi hotspots because of the harm it causes them, telecom companies to remove cell towers because it is harmful to them, etc. This will not end well...
Particularly when combined with self-absorbed angst. Can I get a disability exemption from life? I'd like a weekly check.
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All available evidence on Electromagnetic sensitivity suggests that is actually a purely psychosomatic disorder, but belief is tremendously powerful thing and can produce real and measurable physiological changes in a person, causing immune reactions without any externally visible cause, change in hormone levels that should otherwise only be explainable by other external phenomonena, etc.
Treating serious psychosomatic disorders requires the person to not just be aware that the problem is all in their own mind, but it also requires that a person be aware of some pathway to a solution to their apparent problem. I have heard it best described by one psychologist as (althouh I am paraphrasing here, this is not a direct quote) "there's nothing actually wrong with your hardware, but basically the software in your brain is misfiring and telling your body the wrong thing.". A person with a psychosomatic disorder needs to learn a skill that is not necessarily easy to come by, and that is to learn how to ignore those essentially false signals that their brain is telling their own body, and causing it to react in ways that might otherwise be attributed to some external phenomena. This is why the person needs psychiatric help.
Simply telling an EHS sufferer that it's just all in their own head and they should be able to simply think their way out of their problem is only going to get you ignored, because their body may still be producing a real reaction to something, even if that something is only imagined.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Better call Saul....
Cell phone radio waves simply aren't small enough to do any genetic damage. It's a scientific fact.
Considering that the incidence of head and chest cancers of the past 20 years is available, why would you assume that the rates have been going up?
http://www.cancer.gov/research...
I would love to see any scientific evidence to show that somehow with the drastic increase of cell phones in society over that period of time, the incidences of cancers effecting the head and neck have gone down drastically.
I'm not sure what you mean by chest cancers, last I checked most people don't put cell phones against their chest frequently. Lung cancers however have been going down as well due to the reduction in number of smokers and places to smoke.
http://seer.cancer.gov/statfac...
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
She can keep her money as long as she is agrees to live in a bungalow with no electricity, running water or plumbing and 500km away from the power grid.
I don't even know where to start. I mean, come on. I guess I should be surprised since France permits one to marry a dead person. http://www.thelocal.fr/2014022...
In the US, she would be given no special treatment, but possibly would be laughed at for being pants-on-head retarded. At best she might convince some bored, inattentive jurors to give her a bit of cash from someone else's pockets.
That's probably the overriding principle of US attitudes: no special treatment. You're not special. Nobody is. If you were so special, you'd be king/queen, but we don't allow for that because you're not special. Nobody is. You have a gun? So do I. You want free money? So do I. You think you have some whacked out illness? You'd better have proof, or else I'll feel entitled to whatever payout you get for your special-snowflake illness. You're not special. Nobody is.
Any time anybody starts asking why the US "does it wrong" compared with somewhere else, test it against that principle. There's a damned good chance that it won't hold up under that sort of scrutiny. It's the egalitarian ideal. Everyone lives or dies by their own merits. If you're a useless (but possibly lovable) waste of meat, you'll die unless someone feels a need to care for you. This is left to individuals close to them, not to society as a whole. The US governmental structures generally will support the caregivers with welfare programs, but won't support the afflicted directly. The programs that provide direct support generally do so for dependents of the misfits, not for the misfits themselves.
So, how do you go outside? Are you saying we should all take up residence in our parent's basement?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
you fucking moron.
A third-party documentary? Aren't they all?
Required reading for internet skeptics
The judge should pick up the plaintiff and her attorney by the belt and collar and throw them out the front door with a resounding "Et rester en dehors!"
You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
Pretend to use a cellphone in her presence. When she starts complaining of symptoms and discomfort, show her that the phone not only isn't on, that it doesn't even have a battery in it so there's no chance it could have been on.
I did something similar to this with a friend of mine who claimed to be able to see infrared light from TV remotes. While he wasn't looking I removed the batteries from one, then called his name and when he turned around, pointed it at him and pushed buttons. He complained about how much that hurt his eyes, and how could I do that to him? Then I showed him the remote had no batteries in it. Needless to say he was somewhat embarassed. Still claims to be able to 'see' IR light though.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Could it be perhaps because nobody is subjected to double blind testing in order to determine whether or not they are disabled?
which is why i culleck wellfair and sit on my fat but all da pumping out kids so i can git evin mor money from welfair.
Send her into a Faraday cage. "sense anything, ma'am". If she says yes, experiment over. If she says now, have a cellphone or powerful RF transmitter inside an opaque box. turn it off and on.
If her guesses whether it is on are not are no better than chance, experiment over. If they are correct...well...that would be very interesting.
She needs to think about personal security. Any one of the envious /.ers on this thread could kill her with a Pringles can and a software defined radio.
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A third party documentary title Mobilize suggested cellphone radiation may be cause head and cheast cancers. ANd that telecom lobby was quashing research into this.
No you didn't. Documentaries typically describe reality (i.e. document something).
I'm not affected by wifi or cellphones, but when I place my MacBook Pro on my lap and wait about 30 seconds I can begin to feel tingling deep inside my legs, like in the bone. It's not heat, it's something different. I can't keep it on my lap for long periods of time because the feeling becomes very pronounced and concerning. I've since purchased a special EMF reflecting pad called the "Defender Shield". When this shield is placed between my lap and the laptop, the tingling no longer occurs in my legs but I notice it much more in my wrists as they rest on the keyboard. So I keep my hands off they keyboard unless I'm typing.
Since I have personally experienced the effects of EMF and proven that the shield makes the problem go away, I believe that people who claim wifi sensitivity might be experiencing something real that not everyone is affected by.
Here is a short documentary (22 mins) that was broadcasted on Canadian television about the subject: http://www.visiontv.ca/videos/the-conspiracy-show-2-15-electromagnetic-fields/
What about people who get tumours shaped like a cell phone right where they hold their cellphone?
This causes it! This causes it! This causes it! Information overload! All the electronics around you poisoning the airwaves. Technological fucking civilization. But we still have all this shit, because we can't live without it.
Someone should suggest this to Mythbusters:
Should be easy enough to test. First get ten of these transmitters/transceivers, ten power strips, and ten numbered cardboard boxes with lids (big enough to hold the transmitter and the power strip). Then strap the power strip in the box and poke the cord out and seal any holes. Then strap in the transmitter and plug it into the power strip.
The experiment would be that one person out of sight of everyone, opens each box and turns on or off the power strip and notes the configuration, closing each box when done. Then another person takes each box one at a time into some kind of Faraday cage and plugs it in, the person being tested is then allowed as much time as they need to make a determination if the device is on or off (without opening or touching the box). After, compare the results and see if anybody gets it right more than 66% of the time.
My prediction, random results.
If everyone who complained to this was giving a migration package similar to the women- I am fine with that, even if it costs 1k/month.
It removes their "issue" and gets them out of our hair.
I doubt there's going to be many takers though.
No internet? No electronics?
People these days say that good internet connection should be a basic human right.
Wouldn't that mean that radio/tv stations/cell towers would have to stop broadcasting?
A third party documentary title Mobilize suggested cellphone radiation may be cause head and cheast cancers. ANd that telecom lobby was quashing research into this.
Au contraire: cancer causes cell phones.
... So that's the seed of her paranoia then eh.
It's a small price to pay to keep loonies like that away from the general populace. This comes out to be much cheaper than treating her mental illness.
What amazes me is that the courts resort to non-scientific rulings when the case is so easily scientifically tested. Ignorance of rampant.
Be careful reading tabloids, I've read it literally rots your brain.
I know that this is likely a hoax but I wouldn't be so fast to jump to judgement overall. We already know a few things:
- animals are able to discern magnetic fields - to varying degree by species and by individual animal /. readers perhaps more so than the genpop - are light sensitive
- humans - paraplegics among them - can be hooked up to systems to use their brains to effect robotic controls
- lots of folks -
So can we really be so dismissive that there aren't *individuals* - perhaps standard deviations away from the norm - who could be sensitive to radio waves ?
What a dumb, bigoted reply. What are you, some 15-year old American, or something? Luckily for me, I belong in the overwhelming majority who is not susceptible to the effects of EMF, unlike this unlucky lady in the article, and I can go outside whenever and however I please.
I wanna start a crowdfunder to get her to move to America !!! Won't someone think of the poor american lawyers !!!
If we can get many more people like this, we can hope to shutdown Verizon and AT&T, think how great it will be !!!
... but not a very popular disability, Especially not among people who depend on electronics for their livelihood, or in other ways in our daily lives - which is the entire user base of Slashdot. It goes without saying that someone with Electrohypersensitivity (EHS) will never ever post on Slashdot.
The theory behind EHS is well established in academia. The mechanism called NO-/ONOO+ - cycle is well known, and the trigger mechanism: voltage-gated calcium canals is too, and has been linked to the NO-/ONOO+ - cycle. The cycle builds up from prolonged exposure to certain chemicals, not electric fields by itself.
It is not an allergy, it is not a disease: it is a hypersensitivity. There is also not just one type of EHS, and not all EHS manifest themselves in physical sensation - which is why there have been many studies that have failed to detect it in people who claim to suffer from it. Almost every person with EHS has at one time or another had a job that involved strong solvents, and almost every person with EHS has also hypersensitivity to certain chemicals.
I am not going to post links to articles, because there are so many of them and you will in most cases need a degree in something or other to understand any of them. The keywords are above. Use Google! Instead I would suggest you search Youtube for lectures by Martin Pall.
That is not to say that there aren't people who claim to suffer from EHS who are emotionally unstable.
But ponder that if EHS was real, and you got it, and everyone you told about it called you a faker, wouldn't that make you paranoid?
"We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
Or better yet, his brother.
It is bigoted to point out that the sun produces more EMF than anything man has produced? It is dumb to point out that ALL scientific studies have pointed to this being a psychosomatic condition, and not a true sensitivity.
This woman however has never indicated any issue with going outside, it is only these mysterious moving electrons that cause her placebo issue.
Richard, a former radio documentary producer, has opted for a reclusive life in the mountains of southwest France, in a renovated barn without electricity, and drinking water from the well.
This person used to be a radio producer, not exactly the job for someone sensitive to EMF.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
It'll be illegal unfortunately, but I think the only way to debunk this crap is for someone to put a few cellphones and a wi-fi access point secretly on the premises of one of these supposed sufferers, with full documentation of when/where it was installed, what signal levels abound in the area etc., then wait a few months and do the 'big reveal' that they were there all along without any health complaints.
Or find some more reasonable would-be sufferers who are actually willing to participate in such a double-blind test. It's going to be disputed of course by others using the No True Scotsman defense.. ('Oh, they weren't really afflicted, they but *we* are'...) sigh.
The charlatan aforementioned certified it was oversensitiveness. Unfortunately the way the appeal works in this case , it was not a real tribunal but an instance where it was looked at the recourse of the woman to be declared handicapped. There is such a case no second expertise. So a doctor probably not even a psychologist or psychiatry, not aware of the research showing electrosensitivity is pure hypochondria, was bamboozled and certified her ill, so she get social allocation for 3 years. After that it get reevaluated. Sad but not surprising.
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This chick should know that WIFI isn't the problem, its the quantum flux ELF Z rays generated by GWEN towers which are disguised as cell phone towers which the GWEN signals are used to send mind control messages to MK slaves to carry out their mission. Since she hasn't been pre-programed he doesn't get the mind control message but she is still affected by it. But the kicker is the cocktail of chemicals that are dropped by airplane's chemtrails create a bigger sensitivity to the Z rays, as some of the chemicals when breathed in bind to receptors in your brain and body which enhance your sensitive to Z rays. The CIA has been researching these chemicals for years, and now they use these patsies and draw them out and make them look insane.
You realize that not all of the phone is the antenna?
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Regardless, I would pay that person 800 a month to stay off the internet. I say its a deal.
Could it be perhaps because nobody is subjected to double blind testing in order to determine whether or not they are disabled?
With most legitimate disabilities, a state licensed doctor can typically evaluate whether or not someone meets the criteria for a particular disability. How many legs does the patient have? Less than two? Okay, disabled.
And for the somewhat harder to prove disabilities like chronic pain, at least in the US the burden of proof rests on the individual to make their case, not the government to disprove it - Real sufferers wish they had a way to objectively prove their pain by something like a double-blind test.
RF sensitivity, amusingly enough, falls into a nice neat bin halfway between those two extremes. It has no externally measurable pathology, like chronic pain; but we do have a nice straightforward test to objectively disprove it as a legit disability - Even the worst "sufferers" of it can't successfully detect the presence of the very thing that supposedly leaves them in agony.
"No really, I swear, a shark bit my leg off! You just can't see it because [insert technobabble here]."
citation needed.
Followup: what is the MAXIMUM safe level of EM radiation exposure? Given that the MINIMUM safe level is greater than 0 to allow the body to adapt, the answer is NOT 0.
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
only 20 years? Cellphones have been commercially available for at least 30 and the earliest ones were literally portable microwave ovens - modern handsets emit at power levels on the order of MILLIWATTS.
Incidence of lung cancer due to tobacco use since the smoking bans came into force in Britain in 2007 HAVE NOT CHANGED, this suggests that the ban has had NO EFFECT except to cause public houses to close since many people prefer to have a smoke with their beer! Lung cancers have other triggers as well, such as genetic predisposition (the most common cause), smog and other toxic gases and airborne particulates, Alpha particle emitters such as plutonium dust and radium, lead compounds, asbestos, car emissions, industrial effluent and some food additives. Clean air laws and the introduction of electric cars have had more effect on lung cancer than any smoking ban.
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
Yep.
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It's a justice system that requires only knowing the law, not the subject of the case, and judging based on how well the law was used to support either side's proposition, without regard to what is actually supported by the subject domain of the case in front of them.
IOW the woman's lawyer made a better legal case and therefore won. What bollocks the "disability" was means nothing. Only how well the rules of the court were followed and used.
I saw a documentary made by the aliens who constructed the Pyramids.
-- I have monkeys in my pants.
Aaand some people are EXTREMELY sensitive to sunlight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeroderma_pigmentosum
We know pigeons and some other animals are magnetic sensitive, and sharks are e-field sensitive, so why not EMF sensitivity?
If the percentage of the population that is EMF sensitive is significantly lower than the percentage that are EMF crazy, wouldn't any studies to validate EMF sensitivity be bogus because they didn't try to separate out the EMFSs from the Crazies?
But, it was on TV!
What cell phones transmit RF energy in a cell phone shaped cross section?
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It is bigoted to point out that the sun produces more EMF than anything man has produced? It is dumb to point out that ALL scientific studies have pointed to this being a psychosomatic condition, and not a true sensitivity.
This woman however has never indicated any issue with going outside, it is only these mysterious moving electrons that cause her placebo issue.
You're dumb and bigoted for instantly dismissing her and any possible indications that it's a real but rare condition. Yes, the sun produces a strong EMF, but it's also not pulsating at high frequencies, which seems to be one of the triggering effects.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7922165&cid=50411323
This person used to be a radio producer, not exactly the job for someone sensitive to EMF.
Sort of like peanuts are not exactly the right kind of food for someone who used to eat peanuts before they developed an allergy? Smart.
It's funny how the people who are so desperate to believe in Climate Change are so adamant to deny that this woman is hypersensitive to elecromagnetic fields. There's as much evidence to prove one as there is for the other.
Haven't watched too many documentaries, have we? Some contain lies, some don't actually have falsehoods but are misleading (Fahrenheit 911 had no actual untruths I caught, but there was deception), some are made with the best intentions and wind up wrong.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Looks like Toulouse has gone off Lautrec.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Obviously, the ones in the imaginations of the very, very stupid.
Those damn illegal aliens stealing jobs from good honest Egyptian citizens!
Now she can afford an iPhone!
Ken
Even the worst "sufferers" of it can't successfully detect the presence of the very thing that supposedly leaves them in agony.
That is complete nonsense. With a bit of training, every one can do that.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
Banning tobacco in public has obviously only a limited effect.
But the number of smokers did not change much, so obviously the cancer rate stays the same.
Your argument makes no sense.
The likelihood that a smoker gets cancer in his live time is about 60%.
Smoking is basically the most certain way to kill yourself.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
Ever see any of the "fake-su-death-touch fighter destroyed by UFC ..." type videos?
The really sad part is that people like this woman can easily get stuck in a bubble of enforced social delusion. She gets a weird headache or something, picks up some bad queues about what might be causing it, and very quickly all her friends and anyone who is "polite" refuses to suggest that her hypothesis about the cause is as close to wrong as science allows.
Let it be a warning I guess. In addition to an education, make sure you keep some friends around who will tell you if your breath or your idea stinks.
Many commenters will probably consider this person is gaming the system.
It is hard to live with 800 USD/month, especially when the price to pay is to live in a remote area without any job or even electricity (which is quite rare in France). That makes me assume she is sincere until further proof of the countrary
Wow at the tards lost in their own ignorance that they've been fed with no experience, must be nice you think your body is protected from the microwaves going through the airwaves all around you. Somehow you have super DNA, not even all that radiation that's been adding up inside you will take you down.
Back to reality and IQs are rapidly falling and diseases are rising and more and more studies are proving this to be fact. Stay in denial and ridicule/shun those who go against your utopia, it's all fake.
Never mind following my link, did you even read the one sentence summary I quoted in my original post???
Here, if the World Health Organization doesn't count as a good enough source for you, how about a nice high quality Wikipedia link:
several double-blind experiments have been published, each of which has suggested that people who report electromagnetic hypersensitivity are unable to detect the presence of electromagnetic fields and are as likely to report ill health following a sham exposure as they are following exposure to genuine electromagnetic fields
Double blind. Unable to detect. What part of that don't you people get?
But hey, prove all the haters wrong! If you can do it so much better than everyone else, set up your own study and vindicate all these poor suffering folks condemned to a permanent vacation in a beautiful rural mountain village.
Cellphones have been commercially available for at least 30
Yes they have and I knew a person who had one back then. A person. A single person. One. The rise of cell phone usage may have started 30 years ago but would certainly not have had an effect on cancer even if they were portable gamma ray producers 30 years ago.
But all of this is moot since there has been a different study every year for the last 15 years or so all looking back and trying to confirm a link and every single study has come up with no correlation.
While we're on the topic of correlation it's interesting to note that the incidences of lung cancer are perfectly correlated with smoking rate which has remained steady since 2007. All of this has little to do with the ban which has more to do with principles of not forcing people to inhale known carcinogens from others. And the number of pubs in the UK? Well that peaked before the first world war. The drop since 2007? Clearly nothing to do with a recession, large economic downturn, increase in alcohol tax, council restrictions, decrease in alcohol consumption (which started a long time before the smoking ban, as did the drop in the number of pubs), yep... clearly it's that damn smoking ban.
I once knew a women with em field sensitivity. One of the things she can feel pretty distinctly is a cellphone handshake. She annouced incoming calls before the cellphones rang in her vincinity. Her life is quite unpleasant, also because quite a few people don't take her for granted - especially those she seeks out for help.
I personally would like to know if her sensitivity has to do with palladium alloy tooth fillings and acidic saliva or if it really is her inner ear or her brain or something sensing EM pulses and fields.
Bottom line: I personally wouldn't rule out em sensitivity in humans completely just yet. It's not that intensely researched just yet, AFAICT.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
But seriously, how much of an opportunity have people you know been given to demonstrate that they know when to kowtow to physical violence? I know I've never been given the opportunity.
kowtow:act in an excessively subservient manner
Also, standing between the attacker and attackee is not violent and isn't doing nothing either.
My always hit me with belts brushes and other things for being bad. Like the time I asked for a glass of milk.
Today, I suffer from anxiety and depression along with the physical problems associated with that. I even had a psychiatrist ask me if I served overseas because I exhibit symptoms of PTSD.
All hitting does it make a kid fearful. to this day I a being told that I have to get more confident - as I am being shown the door after an early termination of job interviews. Exactly how one builds confidence is unknown. Everything out there doesn't work - most of the mental health and personal development industries are quackery - it is not based on evidence but of people's individual experience.
Hitting is abuse and the recourse of people with poor characters - their kids learned from their parent's actions.
If she can receive radio waves, does she need a TV license for her head?
As someone who was born and raised in the projects in a welfare family and seeing the amount of waste that goes on 'inside' I'm really sick of the ridiculous lengths people go to for free money.
effin trolls, you know emr sickness is real.
How do you go about determining how much damage something you didn't experience might have been? What was the damage of the thing you did experience?
I don't see a link nor a one sentence summary in your previous post. I tried to see if a malformed link ate it, but got caught in Slashdot's page rendering scheme that doesn't show the actual post when I select inspect element in Chrome, though between the two I'm not sure where the fault lies.
Too many forget that courts are a contest between "story tellers" arbitrated
by compliance to rules but not facts.
Some of us watch fictional movies and suspend normal belief systems
to allow the story to unfold without distraction.
This suspension of disbelief is critical. If you disbelieve because one fact fails
and that fact cracks the illusion for you the show or book can bomb (if it does not
fit you must acquit' ).
Some communities are so imbued with a point of view that nothing cracks the bias or fiction.
This can be very polarizing and can cause civil unrest or be the anchor for humor.
Consider HC and her email server. For some no story or fact can crack the POV that she is ....
smarmy. Same for BO, Same for
This is sadly what we are seeing now... we are being subjected to the setup for a punch line.
Watch out for the ad hominem attacks and other attempts to crack the story being told
by the other side.
Courts are the worst context to discover science.
Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't. Mark Twain.
And what do you not get?
Every living being is sensitive to EM fields, some more some less. That a subject is not conscious able to realize when he/she is affected ("the field is on") has nothing to do with that.
Perhaps read a book about biology? There hundreds of animals that "actively" (consciously) can sense EM fields, plenty of them can even manipulate/emit their own fields.
Some of them can stun or even kill by producing an EM field.
That a human being is not "sensitive" to EM field is utter nonsense.
Do they get ill? No idea! Can they consciously feel them? Most certainly when the voltage is high enough. If you ever had been in a thunderstorm you felt it yourself. It is super easy to feel when a nearby structure/tree is building up a charge which might attract a lightning. All your hairs on your body will tell you. If you are not sensible for something so primitively tested, I don't want to know about your sex life ...
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
Let me know when you successfully detect the WiFi in a double-blind study.
Sorry, you are not listening, are you?
I did not say that *I* can *detect* a WiFi, I said: all humans are sensible to it, but they likely won't detect it. That is a difference. And the point is not about detecting, the point is about being affected.
E.g. you won't detect a special forces sniper, but you will be affected by his bullet anyway. And to know that you don't need a double blind study.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
the point is not about detecting, the point is about being affected.
"Well controlled and conducted double-blind studies have shown that symptoms were not correlated with EMF exposure."
Sorry, you are not listening, are you?
Not any more, nope. You've gone full circle with that shotgun o' logic; feel free to just keep recursively quoting yourself from the above two choices until you get bored.
no, the most certain way to kill yourself is to be born. Smoking comes pretty far down the list. You're six times more likely to die from CVD than cancer (Mayo Clinic). Sturm and Wells of the Rand Corporation conducted a statistical study and concluded that obesity is the most common cause of terminal CVD, by over 40% risk factor - smoking increased the risk of terminal CVD by only 23%, obesity by nearly 70%. 23% of Americans were obese at the time of the report, which means that obesity-related CVD is the single biggest killer in the United States.
Don't let the report convince you against something you've already decided as your world truth, go right on ahead and call me an ignorant cunt.
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
citations needed for your statistical claims, because the Rand Corporation does not agree with you.
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
Do your own homework. The wikipedia page alone has a list of some 20+ studies.
no, you made the claim, YOU fucking back it up.
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
No idea what CVD is supposed to be.
Over 70% of the smokers die to smoking induced illnesses.
That is a fact. The rest of them dies probably more early in car accidents or other things.
Hm, how high is the percentage of obese smokers?
There is no single truth, so spare us with idiotic side lines like this: Don't let the report convince you against something you've already decided as your world truth,
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
"Well controlled and conducted double-blind studies have shown that symptoms were not correlated with EMF exposure."
Yes, and? What is your point? You did definitely not listen.
I simply corrected the braindead idea of the GP that EM waves have no effect on the human body.
No idea what you want to say, so.
The quote above (from your last comment) makes no sense at all: you can not double blind study a single person and determine if her/his symptoms are caused by X. What ever X is.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.