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French Woman Gets €800/month For Electromagnetic-Field 'Disability'
An anonymous reader writes: If you were dismayed to hear Tuesday's news that a school is being sued over Wi-Fi sickness, you might be even more disappointed in a recent verdict by the French judicial system. A court based in Toulouse has awarded a disability claim of €800 (~$898) per month for three years over a 39-year-old woman's "hypersensitivity to electromagnetic waves." Robin Des Toits, an organization that campaigns for "sufferers" of this malady, was pleased: "We can no longer say that it is a psychiatric illness." (Actually, we can and will.) The woman has been living in a remote part of France's south-west mountains with no electricity around. She claims to be affected by common gadgets like cellphones.
Subject says it all. It really is time to start taking lawyers and other bottom feeders to task. Mentally ill people should be treated for their paranoia, not have it confirmed.
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"Well controlled and conducted double-blind studies have shown that symptoms were not correlated with EMF exposure."
Done in one.
Robin Des Toits, an organization that campaigns for "sufferers" of this malady, was pleased.
But not probably as much as their lawyers.
I suffer from hyper-sensitivity to delusional stupidity. I'm living on the same planet as this woman and it's crippling me.
A documentary isn't a study.
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Even if cellphone radiation increased risk of head and chest cancers (and there is no evidence to demonstrate that, despite questionable and biased documentaries on the subject), such increased risk would have nothing to do with the lady's claimed symptoms, which include real-time maladies like headaches, nausea, fatigue, etc.
I saw a third party documentary that said the Pyramids were constructed by aliens...
What do you expect from a "modern" welfare state?
Let's see how she reacts when we turn up the power on this microwave here, just a second... there we go.. and see if her head pops. Get your cameras ready...
Ah well, whaddya gonna do? Soon we will discover that maybe we need an alternative to majority rule. We'll know for sure if any of the Scandinavian countries start to follow the same path.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
It is probably cheaper, and definitely more humane to let this person with obvious psychiatric issues live out in the countryside than in an asylum.
She clearly cannot participate in society. In the US, she would be left to suffer her paranoia without any support. In more developed societies, people are supported while they work out their issues.
See, this is why you can't give pseudoscience an inch. Every little success validates it in the eyes of its own practitioners, and legitimizes it in the eyes of the public, until society tumbles down the rabbit hole of paranoia and irrational fear of the harmless on one hand, and blind trust in actually harmful practices on the other hand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
He knows how to deal with this problem - his brother Chuck had the exact same illness. Imagine that - small world indeed!
In English, Irish, Latvian, and Maltese, the Euro symbol is placed before the value. This is actually encoded in official European Union usage guidelines.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
Now that they've started to gain ground, imagine the next steps: they start suing you because your Wi-Fi router is harming them, suing coffee shops and restaurants to remove Wi-Fi hotspots because of the harm it causes them, telecom companies to remove cell towers because it is harmful to them, etc. This will not end well...
Particularly when combined with self-absorbed angst. Can I get a disability exemption from life? I'd like a weekly check.
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All available evidence on Electromagnetic sensitivity suggests that is actually a purely psychosomatic disorder, but belief is tremendously powerful thing and can produce real and measurable physiological changes in a person, causing immune reactions without any externally visible cause, change in hormone levels that should otherwise only be explainable by other external phenomonena, etc.
Treating serious psychosomatic disorders requires the person to not just be aware that the problem is all in their own mind, but it also requires that a person be aware of some pathway to a solution to their apparent problem. I have heard it best described by one psychologist as (althouh I am paraphrasing here, this is not a direct quote) "there's nothing actually wrong with your hardware, but basically the software in your brain is misfiring and telling your body the wrong thing.". A person with a psychosomatic disorder needs to learn a skill that is not necessarily easy to come by, and that is to learn how to ignore those essentially false signals that their brain is telling their own body, and causing it to react in ways that might otherwise be attributed to some external phenomena. This is why the person needs psychiatric help.
Simply telling an EHS sufferer that it's just all in their own head and they should be able to simply think their way out of their problem is only going to get you ignored, because their body may still be producing a real reaction to something, even if that something is only imagined.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Considering that the incidence of head and chest cancers of the past 20 years is available, why would you assume that the rates have been going up?
http://www.cancer.gov/research...
I would love to see any scientific evidence to show that somehow with the drastic increase of cell phones in society over that period of time, the incidences of cancers effecting the head and neck have gone down drastically.
I'm not sure what you mean by chest cancers, last I checked most people don't put cell phones against their chest frequently. Lung cancers however have been going down as well due to the reduction in number of smokers and places to smoke.
http://seer.cancer.gov/statfac...
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
She can keep her money as long as she is agrees to live in a bungalow with no electricity, running water or plumbing and 500km away from the power grid.
I don't even know where to start. I mean, come on. I guess I should be surprised since France permits one to marry a dead person. http://www.thelocal.fr/2014022...
I always assumed the dollar symbol being misplaced was due to the way it is said in normal speech:
"My lunch today cost ten dollars."
not
"My lunch today cost dollar ten."
Therefore when typing, it makes sense logically that is it 10$ not $10.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
So, how do you go outside? Are you saying we should all take up residence in our parent's basement?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Only if you live in Washington DC.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
A third-party documentary? Aren't they all?
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The judge should pick up the plaintiff and her attorney by the belt and collar and throw them out the front door with a resounding "Et rester en dehors!"
You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
Pretend to use a cellphone in her presence. When she starts complaining of symptoms and discomfort, show her that the phone not only isn't on, that it doesn't even have a battery in it so there's no chance it could have been on.
I did something similar to this with a friend of mine who claimed to be able to see infrared light from TV remotes. While he wasn't looking I removed the batteries from one, then called his name and when he turned around, pointed it at him and pushed buttons. He complained about how much that hurt his eyes, and how could I do that to him? Then I showed him the remote had no batteries in it. Needless to say he was somewhat embarassed. Still claims to be able to 'see' IR light though.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
That's not how language works.
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Could it be perhaps because nobody is subjected to double blind testing in order to determine whether or not they are disabled?
Send her into a Faraday cage. "sense anything, ma'am". If she says yes, experiment over. If she says now, have a cellphone or powerful RF transmitter inside an opaque box. turn it off and on.
If her guesses whether it is on are not are no better than chance, experiment over. If they are correct...well...that would be very interesting.
She needs to think about personal security. Any one of the envious /.ers on this thread could kill her with a Pringles can and a software defined radio.
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Only if you promise to live in some remote location, away from the rest of civilized society, like the woman in the article.
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It doesn't mean that the issue doesn't have a logical and understandable explanation as I have detailed.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
A third party documentary title Mobilize suggested cellphone radiation may be cause head and cheast cancers. ANd that telecom lobby was quashing research into this.
No you didn't. Documentaries typically describe reality (i.e. document something).
Logic doesn't enter in to it at all. Neither in language generally, nor your explanation specifically.
Here, I'll give you an equally valid reason to place the sign in front: By placing the sign in front of the number, the reader immediately knows that the following is a monetary amount, eliminating any uncertainly before it begins. Therefore, it is only "logical" that it should be placed in front of the number. (See how silly it looks?)
Don't confuse your personal opinion with objective truth.
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... So that's the seed of her paranoia then eh.
What amazes me is that the courts resort to non-scientific rulings when the case is so easily scientifically tested. Ignorance of rampant.
Be careful reading tabloids, I've read it literally rots your brain.
I know that this is likely a hoax but I wouldn't be so fast to jump to judgement overall. We already know a few things:
- animals are able to discern magnetic fields - to varying degree by species and by individual animal /. readers perhaps more so than the genpop - are light sensitive
- humans - paraplegics among them - can be hooked up to systems to use their brains to effect robotic controls
- lots of folks -
So can we really be so dismissive that there aren't *individuals* - perhaps standard deviations away from the norm - who could be sensitive to radio waves ?
It is bigoted to point out that the sun produces more EMF than anything man has produced? It is dumb to point out that ALL scientific studies have pointed to this being a psychosomatic condition, and not a true sensitivity.
This woman however has never indicated any issue with going outside, it is only these mysterious moving electrons that cause her placebo issue.
Richard, a former radio documentary producer, has opted for a reclusive life in the mountains of southwest France, in a renovated barn without electricity, and drinking water from the well.
This person used to be a radio producer, not exactly the job for someone sensitive to EMF.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
'm not affected by wifi or cellphones, but when I place my MacBook Pro on my lap and wait about 30 seconds I can begin to feel tingling deep inside my legs, like in the bone.
I have felt the same thing and since I have been electrocuted and know what that feels like I was able to figure it out pretty quick. Check to see if the circuit you have it plugged into is actually grounded. I have a similar issue with my work laptop when I am in Europe and have to use an adapter so my laptop isn't grounded. I have also had a similar experience in some hotels in the US where the socket isn't grounded as well.
Time to offend someone
The charlatan aforementioned certified it was oversensitiveness. Unfortunately the way the appeal works in this case , it was not a real tribunal but an instance where it was looked at the recourse of the woman to be declared handicapped. There is such a case no second expertise. So a doctor probably not even a psychologist or psychiatry, not aware of the research showing electrosensitivity is pure hypochondria, was bamboozled and certified her ill, so she get social allocation for 3 years. After that it get reevaluated. Sad but not surprising.
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You realize that not all of the phone is the antenna?
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... but not a very popular disability, Especially not among people who depend on electronics for their livelihood, or in other ways in our daily lives - which is the entire user base of Slashdot. It goes without saying that someone with Electrohypersensitivity (EHS) will never ever post on Slashdot.
The theory behind EHS is well established in academia. The mechanism called NO-/ONOO+ - cycle is well known, and the trigger mechanism: voltage-gated calcium canals is too, and has been linked to the NO-/ONOO+ - cycle. The cycle builds up from prolonged exposure to certain chemicals, not electric fields by itself.
It is not an allergy, it is not a disease: it is a hypersensitivity. There is also not just one type of EHS, and not all EHS manifest themselves in physical sensation - which is why there have been many studies that have failed to detect it in people who claim to suffer from it. Almost every person with EHS has at one time or another had a job that involved strong solvents, and almost every person with EHS has also hypersensitivity to certain chemicals.
I am not going to post links to articles, because there are so many of them and you will in most cases need a degree in something or other to understand any of them. The keywords are above. Use Google! Instead I would suggest you search Youtube for lectures by Martin Pall.
That is not to say that there aren't people who claim to suffer from EHS who are emotionally unstable.
But ponder that if EHS was real, and you got it, and everyone you told about it called you a faker, wouldn't that make you paranoid?
You intrigued me with your claims of validity, but upon careful inspection I could find no credible research supporting your position.
As for Martin Pall, his work on this is clearly no more credible than Linus Pauling's work on vitamin C.
As for voltage-gated calcium canals (oooh, super-duper science!) if EHS were indeed valid the EM generated by your own nervous system would destroy you. After all, it would be difficult to get closer to a source of electricity and EM than actually inside of you.
Could it be perhaps because nobody is subjected to double blind testing in order to determine whether or not they are disabled?
With most legitimate disabilities, a state licensed doctor can typically evaluate whether or not someone meets the criteria for a particular disability. How many legs does the patient have? Less than two? Okay, disabled.
And for the somewhat harder to prove disabilities like chronic pain, at least in the US the burden of proof rests on the individual to make their case, not the government to disprove it - Real sufferers wish they had a way to objectively prove their pain by something like a double-blind test.
RF sensitivity, amusingly enough, falls into a nice neat bin halfway between those two extremes. It has no externally measurable pathology, like chronic pain; but we do have a nice straightforward test to objectively disprove it as a legit disability - Even the worst "sufferers" of it can't successfully detect the presence of the very thing that supposedly leaves them in agony.
"No really, I swear, a shark bit my leg off! You just can't see it because [insert technobabble here]."
citation needed.
Followup: what is the MAXIMUM safe level of EM radiation exposure? Given that the MINIMUM safe level is greater than 0 to allow the body to adapt, the answer is NOT 0.
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only 20 years? Cellphones have been commercially available for at least 30 and the earliest ones were literally portable microwave ovens - modern handsets emit at power levels on the order of MILLIWATTS.
Incidence of lung cancer due to tobacco use since the smoking bans came into force in Britain in 2007 HAVE NOT CHANGED, this suggests that the ban has had NO EFFECT except to cause public houses to close since many people prefer to have a smoke with their beer! Lung cancers have other triggers as well, such as genetic predisposition (the most common cause), smog and other toxic gases and airborne particulates, Alpha particle emitters such as plutonium dust and radium, lead compounds, asbestos, car emissions, industrial effluent and some food additives. Clean air laws and the introduction of electric cars have had more effect on lung cancer than any smoking ban.
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ATOS don't do it any more, they backed out of the contract after they were exposed as frauds for passing people as fit for work regardless of conditions - including (and I bullshit you not), a woman who was in a coma who was passed FFW after simply not turning up for the assessment. Capita do it now, perhaps unsurprisingly using the same agency staff, the same agency supply nurses (invariably completely unqualified) to carry out the assessments, to the same scripts, in the same facilities.
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Not according to the European Court of Auditors Style Guide, the € sign (ALT+0128 or €) is placed before the number without an intervening space, or if the ISO code "EUR" is used, again before the number and with an intervening space.
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
Yep.
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I saw a documentary made by the aliens who constructed the Pyramids.
-- I have monkeys in my pants.
But, it was on TV!
What cell phones transmit RF energy in a cell phone shaped cross section?
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You seem to be assuming that language works.
Why ? You say "800 euros" or "800 dollars", so why place the sign before ?!?
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Obviously based on countries that always put the currency sign last, even for amounts like 100£ or 100$.
Or possiblly on those that use the currency sign as the decimal point (when the decimal fraction is omitted).
In the anglosphere, the custom is currency first unless you write it out in full (10 euros/dollars/rand/shekels/pounds).
No, your children are not the special ones. Nor are your pets.
Thank you for posting this.
If there is anything I have learned in life, it is that my own life experience does not equal anyone else's life experience.
That is to say, just because I don't understand someone's motives, emotions or actions, doesn't mean they are invalid or wrong.
Try to be empathetic to others plights instead of calling them crazy.
My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
"Units first" is the way of the future: ‘increasing speed to warp 8, sir!’.
No, your children are not the special ones. Nor are your pets.
And it's a play on words. The French can't get their head round "Robin Hood" and therefore call him "Robin des Bois" (Robin of the Woods), which I guess makes sense.
Sort of a prototype for "Dark Vader" (the notoriously excellent French subtitlers originally thought the name was "Dark Invader" but soon saw the error of their ways -- the problem being they only saw half of them).
No, your children are not the special ones. Nor are your pets.
Haven't watched too many documentaries, have we? Some contain lies, some don't actually have falsehoods but are misleading (Fahrenheit 911 had no actual untruths I caught, but there was deception), some are made with the best intentions and wind up wrong.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Looks like Toulouse has gone off Lautrec.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Obviously, the ones in the imaginations of the very, very stupid.
I'm not affected by wifi or cellphones, but when I place my MacBook Pro on my lap and wait about 30 seconds I can begin to feel tingling deep inside my legs, like in the bone. It's not heat, it's something different.
It's because you're looking at porn. That tingling stuff, yaknow?
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Now she can afford an iPhone!
Ken
Even the worst "sufferers" of it can't successfully detect the presence of the very thing that supposedly leaves them in agony.
That is complete nonsense. With a bit of training, every one can do that.
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In germany, too.
Actually it is an international convention.
However as writing skills decline it becomes more and more common to place it behind the value. In Germany e.g. both writings are somewhat accepted, but retarded as we germans are, if you write an "english test" it is an error to put the pound sign behind the value, or for that matter the dollar sign.
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Banning tobacco in public has obviously only a limited effect.
But the number of smokers did not change much, so obviously the cancer rate stays the same.
Your argument makes no sense.
The likelihood that a smoker gets cancer in his live time is about 60%.
Smoking is basically the most certain way to kill yourself.
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It is meant to be angel'o'sphere, you insensitive clod!
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
Wow, that would be funny. An english/US star wars movie with French subtitles ;D
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It's funny how the people who are so desperate to believe in Climate Change are so adamant to deny that this woman is hypersensitive to elecromagnetic fields. There's as much evidence to prove one as there is for the other.
Whoa. Talk about an unsubstantiated sentence. Do you think all (black, white, asian, indian, hispanic, put in your people you don't like here if I missed them) people are criminals too? What does (man made, not man made) climate change [believers, skeptics] have to do with this? Why throw them under the bus?
Show me one credible study that shows that anyone is sensitive to wifi. Good luck with that one. If you know much about electromagnetic radiation and relative background magnetic radiation, you'd understand how stupid this is. Sort of like walking a mile in a driving downfall of rain, you're drenched from head to toe and everything in between and I mean everything in between. Yet you say your sensitive to a brief little mist of water sprayed on you and this is *TERRIBLE* and life threatening debilitating. And you think we're not familiar with what we're talking about?
Bullshit can be very real to people that believe in it. Best to identify it's bullshit. It's cruel to confirm it.
Many commenters will probably consider this person is gaming the system.
It is hard to live with 800 USD/month, especially when the price to pay is to live in a remote area without any job or even electricity (which is quite rare in France). That makes me assume she is sincere until further proof of the countrary
Sorry. I don't you realise the differences between the Napoleonic code and the principles used in other countries. For a start it is not necessary for the prosecution to prove their case. The charged is presumed guilty (not innocent) and must prove their innocence rather than the reverse.
Oh! How long have you been dead? Can you tell me what it feels like? Did you meet Bog?
FWIW, electro sensitivity can be trained, as can the ability to resist electrocution (to a point anyway). During the bombings in London during the Second World War there was little in the way of material support for first responders. Those concerned with power had no "meters", not even simple probes. They learned to feel live wires and assess voltages with nothing but the skin and hair on their hands.
Never mind following my link, did you even read the one sentence summary I quoted in my original post???
Here, if the World Health Organization doesn't count as a good enough source for you, how about a nice high quality Wikipedia link:
several double-blind experiments have been published, each of which has suggested that people who report electromagnetic hypersensitivity are unable to detect the presence of electromagnetic fields and are as likely to report ill health following a sham exposure as they are following exposure to genuine electromagnetic fields
Double blind. Unable to detect. What part of that don't you people get?
But hey, prove all the haters wrong! If you can do it so much better than everyone else, set up your own study and vindicate all these poor suffering folks condemned to a permanent vacation in a beautiful rural mountain village.
Cellphones have been commercially available for at least 30
Yes they have and I knew a person who had one back then. A person. A single person. One. The rise of cell phone usage may have started 30 years ago but would certainly not have had an effect on cancer even if they were portable gamma ray producers 30 years ago.
But all of this is moot since there has been a different study every year for the last 15 years or so all looking back and trying to confirm a link and every single study has come up with no correlation.
While we're on the topic of correlation it's interesting to note that the incidences of lung cancer are perfectly correlated with smoking rate which has remained steady since 2007. All of this has little to do with the ban which has more to do with principles of not forcing people to inhale known carcinogens from others. And the number of pubs in the UK? Well that peaked before the first world war. The drop since 2007? Clearly nothing to do with a recession, large economic downturn, increase in alcohol tax, council restrictions, decrease in alcohol consumption (which started a long time before the smoking ban, as did the drop in the number of pubs), yep... clearly it's that damn smoking ban.
I once knew a women with em field sensitivity. One of the things she can feel pretty distinctly is a cellphone handshake. She annouced incoming calls before the cellphones rang in her vincinity. Her life is quite unpleasant, also because quite a few people don't take her for granted - especially those she seeks out for help.
I personally would like to know if her sensitivity has to do with palladium alloy tooth fillings and acidic saliva or if it really is her inner ear or her brain or something sensing EM pulses and fields.
Bottom line: I personally wouldn't rule out em sensitivity in humans completely just yet. It's not that intensely researched just yet, AFAICT.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
But seriously, how much of an opportunity have people you know been given to demonstrate that they know when to kowtow to physical violence? I know I've never been given the opportunity.
kowtow:act in an excessively subservient manner
Also, standing between the attacker and attackee is not violent and isn't doing nothing either.
If she can receive radio waves, does she need a TV license for her head?
How do you go about determining how much damage something you didn't experience might have been? What was the damage of the thing you did experience?
I don't see a link nor a one sentence summary in your previous post. I tried to see if a malformed link ate it, but got caught in Slashdot's page rendering scheme that doesn't show the actual post when I select inspect element in Chrome, though between the two I'm not sure where the fault lies.
Too many forget that courts are a contest between "story tellers" arbitrated
by compliance to rules but not facts.
Some of us watch fictional movies and suspend normal belief systems
to allow the story to unfold without distraction.
This suspension of disbelief is critical. If you disbelieve because one fact fails
and that fact cracks the illusion for you the show or book can bomb (if it does not
fit you must acquit' ).
Some communities are so imbued with a point of view that nothing cracks the bias or fiction.
This can be very polarizing and can cause civil unrest or be the anchor for humor.
Consider HC and her email server. For some no story or fact can crack the POV that she is ....
smarmy. Same for BO, Same for
This is sadly what we are seeing now... we are being subjected to the setup for a punch line.
Watch out for the ad hominem attacks and other attempts to crack the story being told
by the other side.
Courts are the worst context to discover science.
Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't. Mark Twain.
And what do you not get?
Every living being is sensitive to EM fields, some more some less. That a subject is not conscious able to realize when he/she is affected ("the field is on") has nothing to do with that.
Perhaps read a book about biology? There hundreds of animals that "actively" (consciously) can sense EM fields, plenty of them can even manipulate/emit their own fields.
Some of them can stun or even kill by producing an EM field.
That a human being is not "sensitive" to EM field is utter nonsense.
Do they get ill? No idea! Can they consciously feel them? Most certainly when the voltage is high enough. If you ever had been in a thunderstorm you felt it yourself. It is super easy to feel when a nearby structure/tree is building up a charge which might attract a lightning. All your hairs on your body will tell you. If you are not sensible for something so primitively tested, I don't want to know about your sex life ...
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Let me know when you successfully detect the WiFi in a double-blind study.
Sorry, you are not listening, are you?
I did not say that *I* can *detect* a WiFi, I said: all humans are sensible to it, but they likely won't detect it. That is a difference. And the point is not about detecting, the point is about being affected.
E.g. you won't detect a special forces sniper, but you will be affected by his bullet anyway. And to know that you don't need a double blind study.
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the point is not about detecting, the point is about being affected.
"Well controlled and conducted double-blind studies have shown that symptoms were not correlated with EMF exposure."
Sorry, you are not listening, are you?
Not any more, nope. You've gone full circle with that shotgun o' logic; feel free to just keep recursively quoting yourself from the above two choices until you get bored.
no, the most certain way to kill yourself is to be born. Smoking comes pretty far down the list. You're six times more likely to die from CVD than cancer (Mayo Clinic). Sturm and Wells of the Rand Corporation conducted a statistical study and concluded that obesity is the most common cause of terminal CVD, by over 40% risk factor - smoking increased the risk of terminal CVD by only 23%, obesity by nearly 70%. 23% of Americans were obese at the time of the report, which means that obesity-related CVD is the single biggest killer in the United States.
Don't let the report convince you against something you've already decided as your world truth, go right on ahead and call me an ignorant cunt.
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
citations needed for your statistical claims, because the Rand Corporation does not agree with you.
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
Do your own homework. The wikipedia page alone has a list of some 20+ studies.
no, you made the claim, YOU fucking back it up.
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
Convention. Isotopic notation is similarly reversed from how it's pronounced. One says, "uranium-235" and yet the isotope goes to the top-left of the atomic symbol.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
Yeah, well , the right side is already reserved for the number of elements in the molecule (subscript) and the ionisation state (superscript).
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No idea what CVD is supposed to be.
Over 70% of the smokers die to smoking induced illnesses.
That is a fact. The rest of them dies probably more early in car accidents or other things.
Hm, how high is the percentage of obese smokers?
There is no single truth, so spare us with idiotic side lines like this: Don't let the report convince you against something you've already decided as your world truth,
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"Well controlled and conducted double-blind studies have shown that symptoms were not correlated with EMF exposure."
Yes, and? What is your point? You did definitely not listen.
I simply corrected the braindead idea of the GP that EM waves have no effect on the human body.
No idea what you want to say, so.
The quote above (from your last comment) makes no sense at all: you can not double blind study a single person and determine if her/his symptoms are caused by X. What ever X is.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.