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Chris Christie Proposes Tracking Immigrants the Way FedEx Tracks Packages
PolygamousRanchKid submits the news that New Jersey governor (and Republican presidential candidate) Chris Christie said yesterday that he would, if elected president, create a system to track foreign visitors the way FedEx tracks packages. The NYT writes:
Mr. Christie, who is far back in the pack of candidates for the Republican presidential nomination, said at a campaign event in New Hampshire that he would ask the chief executive of FedEx, Frederick W. Smith, to devise the tracking system."At any moment, FedEx can tell you where that package is. It's on the truck. It's at the station. It's on the airplane," Mr. Christie told the crowd in Laconia, N.H. "Yet we let people come to this country with visas, and the minute they come in, we lose track of them." He added: "We need to have a system that tracks you from the moment you come in."
Adds the submitter: "I'm sure foreign tourist will be amused when getting a bar code sticker slapped on their arm."
I'm somewhat interested in visiting the US, but this kind of bullshit would absolutely kill any desire to go there.
Christie would make the ideal VP for Trump. They're both ignorant bigots.
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"I'm sure foreign tourist will be amused when getting a bar code sticker slapped on their arm."
Yeah i am sure amused to be tracked all the time like cattle with a tag and not having a private moment. Being treated like an animals sound fun. Why don't you start first Chrissie sweetie. How about we attach a gps tag on your ankle. That sound fun right ?
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FedEx packages are travelling through a confined system of checkpoints. Unless Christie wants to put checkpoints all around America and have everyone showing their papers to TSA agents on every public highway, it just won't work.
Sounds like Christie was inspired by last week's news from Austria.
Like so very many problems, this one becomes much simpler once you stop thinking of "them" as people.
Sure, FedEx can tell you exactly where a package is, until they can't anymore. It's not like they don't lose packages. The only reason they can track them as well as they do is because they are going to a limit number of areas where they are scanned going in and out of each. And they still lose them sometime. Unless we are going to have immigrant get scanned in everywhere they go, there isn't a way to track people the same way we track packages.
"Information wants to be expensive" - Stewart Brand, the same guy who said "Information wants to be free"
The last thing I want to see is the travesty that is asset forfeiture expanded.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
So, anyone you don't like or who says things you don't like is an SJW...
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They still would come because they have nothing to lose, most of them have net assets of close to zero. The first generation tends to live hand to mouth. The people who make the money are the American factory owners and farmers who employ them. These are the people you would need to asset strip to stop employment of immigrants but if we think politicians are going to go after these people (their biggest donors) we are naive. Incidentally if the U.S. did manage to deport all 11 million of them it would cause a massive economic implosion due to a drop in demand for basic goods. It would likely also cause a closure of US factories and increase the offshoring of US industry.
I think Morgan Freeman has the best approach to dealing with racism, and that is to just stop talking about it.
So, you should have shut up in first place.
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And there are a lot of us out there who would vote Republican again if only they would lose that crazy shit, and get back to real conservative principles, like watch the money, but pay the bills, and to let people alone.
What is amazing though is that some of their base will go along with this, even though Christie's Star of David patch idea smacks a little of a mark of the beast as well. The amazing thing is that a mainstream candidate like Christie would not think twice about proposing this really bad idea with really bad precedents.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Both the Republicans and Democrats know the only way to stave off Social Security money scarcity is to inhale large numbers of younger workers (this, by the way, is the exact problem Ponzi schemes have, and why they were made illegal, and why it's a legitimate comparison -- they always run out of new investors to pay back previous ones. They just don't have the legal power to force everyone to invest, delaying, but not stopping, the inevitable. No "investor" gets back as much as they put in...in either.)
The Republicans are just pissed The Donald has made a stink of it, and now they have to respond with idiocies like this, the more outrageous the better, apparently. Seriously.
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Also, what ever happened to:
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
An idea like Mr. Christies' flies in the face of one of the things this country was supposed to be about in the first place. I know damned well that the United States I grew up believing in never really existed, but damnit, why can't we make it that? I want the Founding Fathers of this country to turn out to be right, not George Orwell!
Finally, what kind of an asshole do you have to be to come up with an idea like this? Fuck that, and fuck Christie sideways with a rusty chainsaw for even suggesting something like this.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
But it wouldn't work anyway.
I don't think he even understands FedEx. FedEx cannot tell you where a package is RIGHT NOW. They can only tell you where it was LAST SCANNED.
The reason this works well for packages is that packages don't move themselves. And even then it has failures. This will completely fail because HUMANS can wander around on their own.
Sounds more like Christie wants to associate his campaign with something that people have a mostly positive opinion of. But I'm pretty sure that FedEx will not want to be associated with a losing candidate OR the concept of tagging and tracking undesirable races/nationalities (shades of Nazi German there).
There's a minor problem with this plan. The ones who come here illegally? They don't have visas. That's what makes their coming here illegal. If they have a visa, then they came here legally.
You're completely missing the point. He's addressing the large number of people who legally enter (with a visa), but illegally overstay their visas, this becoming illegal immigrants. The people who illegally enter are a related, but different specific problem.
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The problem is that Americans think their problems are a result of immigration. The issue is nothing more than a convenient political scapegoat that populists are all but desperate to eat up as it appears to legitimize their xenophobia and present a simple, or at least theoretically attainable, goal. A goal which is a solution for nothing, but a goal none-the-less. When folks have socially unacceptable attitudes, they are easily led to believe they are part of the "real talk" truth - as if they are somehow inherently mature or realist. It's the same reason why nutjobs fell into the 9/11 truther bullshit. It's nothing but a dog and pony show for the middle class so that they don't tune into the real problems America faces.
"Old man yells at systemd"
I think people are more upset at the perceived risk of getting a barcode tattoo reminiscent of what they used in concentration camps (yeah, I Godwin'ed the thread), or maybe getting pulled over and shot by a cop for having a broken tail light.
Such things really does count against visiting the US compared to taking a week on a beach somewhere else.
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Now another Republican candidate wants to put bar codes on the people to track them.
Have the Republicans gone insane?
According to the article, 40% of illegals are visa overstayers. This breaks the syllogism you attempted to imply all asunder.
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We all have rfid implants, and set up scanners everywhere? Because how would you know the visitors from the residents unless you track everyone?
Even if this wasn't a giant affront to rights, how would he even expect to technically implement this?
Do republicans really go apeshit for this kind of complete fantasy bullshit? So much for "freedom 'murcia." (oh right, freedom only applies to people born here that are christians)
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What's your definition of "peace"? There are always multiple wars going on in numerous places in the world, constantly. Many of these are being interfered with, instigated, or supported by the US and its allies. It's profitable to sell weapons to both sides, to keep the wars going. The only more profitable situation is when you get your puppet installed as leader, then you can just pilfer the public assets wholesale.
Just because it's peaceful in your little gated neighbourhood, doesn't mean the rest of the world is a-ok.
Funny thing is - it DID just end in all the rest of the world. Only in the United States are the descendants of slaves still reviled by a significant portion of the former slave holders.
Only a small percentage of all the slaves transported from Africa to the New World were destined for the US. Brazil got far more slaves than the US did. Brazil has no serious race problem, do they? Maybe you can point to the history of SJW's in Brazil struggling to keep the black man on the plantations? No? Didn't think so.
YES, SJW'S CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROBLEM!!
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
If SJW are only people he doesnt like, that would be true. It is unlikely, so I am going with some people he doesnt like are SJWs.
Racism DID NOT end in Germany. They just stopped talking about it publicaly. Sure the law says that a business can't discriminate based on your race but they actually do. One of the students in my class went back home to India after being accepted in a masters program here in Germany since he found several landlords that told him they did not rent to people from India.
Europe is too much of a monoculture to see much outward racism but it still exists and it is pretty vile since it is not talked about. Laws against racism seem to be almost never actually enforced at least in Germany. It was just recently a German professor told an Indian male student that she did not accept male students from India because of their rape culture and her university DEFENDED her. She is facing no sanctions of any kind and other professors in Germany have stood up and said they do the same thing. That is truly evil.
The USA is having a hard time trying to deal with racism but it actually trying to deal with it and the road is going to be bumpy and violent but I think it will work out in the end and meanwhile Europe will just quietly keep it and hide it.
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... it's just a little code tattooed on your forearm. Oh, and we'd like you to sew this little gold star on your clothes.
Here are the top ten leading causes of death in the USA.
I looked. Homicide is 15th. Death By Terrorism isn't on this list. Overdose from drugs bought from drug dealing immigrants isn't either. Just once I wish we'd wage a war on Cancer or Drunk Driving, ya know?
Also, because it has to be said.... Maybe we can put their tracking bar code on some kind of armband? This shit is !@#$ing stupid and dangerously close to Nazi levels of moron. We have a serious politician blaming the Jews Immigrants and willing to label them. Oh. Come. On!
The Republican party invited in the stupid and completely has lost it's !@#$ing mind.
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I am not 1010010111101010100010111101101000101, I am a free man.
US problem is not visa attribution - US problem is same problem as everywhere else: too many people, too few jobs, too much lack of education, too many dreams and too many deceptions.
Labeling people will not only not help, but will make thinks worse.
The Nazi system labeled jews, you still recall for sure.
I read an intresting summary today (I am not sure it's accurate though), but it stated that when The Berlin Wall was torn down in 1989 there were other 16 such walls in the world (not necessarly built same way). Nowadays 65 exist, either already in place or being finished. Last one is between Hungary and Serbia, being finished. This is a border line. Not different from the border you see at any international airport.
Most migrants are not searching for The Ultimate Life, but rather seeking survival.
Labeling them is to treat them as if they were animals - or even worse! I guess I could more easily get a permit for my Dog than one of those migrants can get a Visa for entering the US.
And yes, I am somehow revolted, even with my country, due to how it refuses to receive migrants from North Africa.
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So - lemme get this straight. India does indeed have a rape culture. It's pretty well documented. There are new atrocities published multiple times every year. So, a woman objects to being in proximity to a male whom she might reasonably expect to have been indoctrinated into the rape culture. That is RACISM?!?!
Sorry, you lose points in the credibility department, because you don't know the difference between racism and other forms of prejudice. Further, I'll hold that not all forms of discrimination are bad.
The only people who commit more rapes than Indians, are probable the swine from Daesh, al Queda, and other sects of virulent Islam.
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
Whenever a politician suggests something stupid like this then they have to apply it to themselves first to see how it works. Not when it passes, just when they bring the idea out in the public forum.
"Yet we let people come to this country with visas, and the minute they come in, we lose track of them." He added: "We need to have a system that tracks you from the moment you come in."
And about 3 nanoseconds later this would be used to track citizens and violate all kinds of civil rights. If we actually aspire to be a free country we have to let people go about their business especially when we have no reasons to suspect them of anything.
"Indian" is not a race, is it? I thought it was a nationality. India encompasses multiple races, multiple religions, multiple cultures, multiple tribes and sects. India. Let me check - I could be wrong . . .
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=India+dem...
Try this link first, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
We need to have a system that tracks you from the moment you come in.
Yea if only we had such a device just about everybody carried around in their pockets with a GPS, camera, microphone, gyroscope, radio etc. Now it would be ideal if only there were handful of giant service providers, so we could work with them to get it done. Naah, who am I kidding? This is America, we have rights, you could never get something like that done.
Somebody should tell Chris Christie that it might not be a good idea to downgrade from GPS tracking of the smart phone devices or from the malware which jumps over air.
I think that it is a bit naive to believe that you would not be tracked 24/7 already, it should not take a rocket scientist to create a software, when you have the unlimited federal funding (backed by the floating currency). All in all, I personally don't care if somebody wants to track me online or offline, it is their problem, and more likely if that gives someone their daily allowance for food and gadgets, so be it.
In general, going public and saying that we got your back and we track all the bad people and all the good people, is only going to hurt the good, and as long as people have faith that "no-one" knows what they are doing we are safe.
I think that the best idea ever would be that all immigrants would receive a smart phone with GPS chip for free for the duration of their visit, if they dont already own one. Then they would need to return the device when they leave the country. Then also those who don't have the iPhone or Android device, would be covered. And if you would want to be more efficient, you would provide them with prepaid visa or mastercard, which would then give you the "full profile" of their behaviour (more or less).
But what really makes me worried is that if they would treat you, like the FedEx treats their packages.
... What is happening in the EU right now with immigrants? Hmmm? Its easy to point fingers at the US and say "well that's not good"... but then look at what's happening in your own backyard. Is that good?
Frankly, we're not going to get through our shared problems here without some political incorrectness.
REAL nations can and do hold their borders. That's what borders are in part. They're the line in the sand you hold. Now if you don't do that... then so be it. You don't have a country then.
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Since stickers & ID cards can be lost, we should probably tattoo the number on the persons forearms.
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If you subtract the number of wars in which Muslims are involved, the world is nearly totally peaceful. Mod me down if you wish, but look and read and learn first. An easier way would be to name the wars NOT involving Muslims.
There can be no peace with a religion that insists on converting you or killing you.
Sounds like you've never travelled to Asia, South America or Europe... Because you only use your passport as a method of ID at hotels. A Hotel needs to know that you are the person you claim to be. I travel to a few places in SE Asia on a regular basis. They know who I am and dont bother asking for ID any more. So much so I've even got a rapport with a few customs officers at Perth. Also, I was also required to present ID at every US hotel I stayed at. The most convenient form is the Passport as they're fairly standard from country to country. I had more than a few US bartenders squint at my Western Australian drivers license for a while before they served me.
When I travel to the United States, I have to Register with the Electronic System for Travel Authorisation in order to board a flight to the US. No ESTA, no entry. It costs about $4 and there are a variety of middlemen who charge upwards of $20 to do the same thing (so make sure you go to the DHS website). This form asks for a variety of information, not just for ID purposes, but personal questions as well (like "Do you have gonorrhoea") feel free to go through it yourself. At least they've stopped asking if I'm a Nazi.
Also when I was coming back to the US from South America a few years back I had to provide proof of an outgoing flight and my hotel prior to being permitted to board a flight in Panama.
Next time, stop writing after "think".
As an Australian traveller, the US is an oddity. There are few places in the world where I need to fill in an application form to visit.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
I don't know what that tells us about opinions in general but it certainly tells us about /. posters.
The most it tells us is about 4 Slashdot posters (3 that modded one post up, and 1 person who modded one post down). Not really enough information to make any sort of judgement about the whole user-base.
An easier way would be to name the wars NOT involving Muslims.
Same goes for Americans doesn't it?