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Chris Christie Proposes Tracking Immigrants the Way FedEx Tracks Packages
PolygamousRanchKid submits the news that New Jersey governor (and Republican presidential candidate) Chris Christie said yesterday that he would, if elected president, create a system to track foreign visitors the way FedEx tracks packages. The NYT writes:
Mr. Christie, who is far back in the pack of candidates for the Republican presidential nomination, said at a campaign event in New Hampshire that he would ask the chief executive of FedEx, Frederick W. Smith, to devise the tracking system."At any moment, FedEx can tell you where that package is. It's on the truck. It's at the station. It's on the airplane," Mr. Christie told the crowd in Laconia, N.H. "Yet we let people come to this country with visas, and the minute they come in, we lose track of them." He added: "We need to have a system that tracks you from the moment you come in."
Adds the submitter: "I'm sure foreign tourist will be amused when getting a bar code sticker slapped on their arm."
I'm somewhat interested in visiting the US, but this kind of bullshit would absolutely kill any desire to go there.
Christie would make the ideal VP for Trump. They're both ignorant bigots.
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I dunno, I've been watching the rise of the SJW phenomenon online over the last few years, mostly with distaste - in particular for unabashed hate movements like feminism - but when it comes to racism I've slowly been forced to conclude that quite a lot of Americans really are racists to a surprising degree. Now that doesn't mean unchecked immigration is a good thing, but what Trump and company are smoking out of the bushes are a huge population of genuine xenophobes.
The other thing I've noticed is the degree to which SJWs actually cause the reactions they want to claim are reactionary. If they weren't out there shrieking about white privilege and telling white people to kill themselves, it seems likely that Trump and Christie wouldn't be getting the support they're getting. The SJW approach is less to support the downtrodden than to attack whoever they feel is oppressing others, which in turn causes the "oppressors" - who for the most part aren't anything of the sort - to become radicalised and polarised. SJWs creat the monster they claim exists, and it didn't have to be that way at all.
I think Morgan Freeman has the best approach to dealing with racism, and that is to just stop talking about it.
"I'm sure foreign tourist will be amused when getting a bar code sticker slapped on their arm."
Yeah i am sure amused to be tracked all the time like cattle with a tag and not having a private moment. Being treated like an animals sound fun. Why don't you start first Chrissie sweetie. How about we attach a gps tag on your ankle. That sound fun right ?
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America has been put in a bad position. There are laws of the land concerning who may enter and remain in the country. Yet as we've seen, the enforcement of these laws has been quite lax. We see third-worlders streaming into America, typically from its southern border, in violation of these laws. There are severe economic consequences of this. There are political consequences. There are social consequences. It's absolutely awful for the migrants who came to the US legally. These people did things properly, jumped through many hoops, and then are forced to watch as the worst of the third-worlders bypass all of the laws and get preferential treatment.
Had the laws been enforced, and illegal aliens prevented from entering or removed after they had been found, then America wouldn't be in the position it is currently in. So it's not totally unreasonable for there to be tracking of visitors. It doesn't have to apply to all visitors, obviously. Just those who are a risk for violating American law. The Japanese business executive who is in America for several days for business meetings does not need to be tracked. The Nicaraguan with no job, no education, no English skills, and much to gain by illegally remaining in America probably should be tracked.
Yup, playing to the unwashed masses. Same as Hillary saying the Republican party is a "terrorist group".
FedEx packages are travelling through a confined system of checkpoints. Unless Christie wants to put checkpoints all around America and have everyone showing their papers to TSA agents on every public highway, it just won't work.
Sounds like Christie was inspired by last week's news from Austria.
Like so very many problems, this one becomes much simpler once you stop thinking of "them" as people.
Sure, FedEx can tell you exactly where a package is, until they can't anymore. It's not like they don't lose packages. The only reason they can track them as well as they do is because they are going to a limit number of areas where they are scanned going in and out of each. And they still lose them sometime. Unless we are going to have immigrant get scanned in everywhere they go, there isn't a way to track people the same way we track packages.
"Information wants to be expensive" - Stewart Brand, the same guy who said "Information wants to be free"
The last thing I want to see is the travesty that is asset forfeiture expanded.
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I am sure Chrissie sweetie would cream his pant at the idea of attooing or putting tag on tourist/visa visitor, but the idea is quite old : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and it was done efficiently too.
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Ha ha ha. I call bullshit.
I usually get three or four status updates when I track a package: The first is usually something like "package left Wichita, Kansas facility." Two or three days later I see "Arrived in Marieta, Georgia facility." Then "package is out for delivery." A couple hours after delivery there's a "package delivered" update.
That's a damn far cry from knowing where it is at any given moment.
I thought it was blue triangles for immigrants.
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They still would come because they have nothing to lose, most of them have net assets of close to zero. The first generation tends to live hand to mouth. The people who make the money are the American factory owners and farmers who employ them. These are the people you would need to asset strip to stop employment of immigrants but if we think politicians are going to go after these people (their biggest donors) we are naive. Incidentally if the U.S. did manage to deport all 11 million of them it would cause a massive economic implosion due to a drop in demand for basic goods. It would likely also cause a closure of US factories and increase the offshoring of US industry.
How do fucktards like this even get to be a governor? People in this country who vote are really fucked in the head.
Just prosecute the ones that violate their visas and if they violated them to make money, asset strip them. How many Mexicans do you think would come here illegally if CBP or local law enforcement had an explicit grant to use civil asset forfeiture to take everything they own?
There's a minor problem with this plan. The ones who come here illegally? They don't have visas. That's what makes their coming here illegal. If they have a visa, then they came here legally.
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And there are a lot of us out there who would vote Republican again if only they would lose that crazy shit, and get back to real conservative principles, like watch the money, but pay the bills, and to let people alone.
What is amazing though is that some of their base will go along with this, even though Christie's Star of David patch idea smacks a little of a mark of the beast as well. The amazing thing is that a mainstream candidate like Christie would not think twice about proposing this really bad idea with really bad precedents.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Both the Republicans and Democrats know the only way to stave off Social Security money scarcity is to inhale large numbers of younger workers (this, by the way, is the exact problem Ponzi schemes have, and why they were made illegal, and why it's a legitimate comparison -- they always run out of new investors to pay back previous ones. They just don't have the legal power to force everyone to invest, delaying, but not stopping, the inevitable. No "investor" gets back as much as they put in...in either.)
The Republicans are just pissed The Donald has made a stink of it, and now they have to respond with idiocies like this, the more outrageous the better, apparently. Seriously.
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Also, what ever happened to:
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
An idea like Mr. Christies' flies in the face of one of the things this country was supposed to be about in the first place. I know damned well that the United States I grew up believing in never really existed, but damnit, why can't we make it that? I want the Founding Fathers of this country to turn out to be right, not George Orwell!
Finally, what kind of an asshole do you have to be to come up with an idea like this? Fuck that, and fuck Christie sideways with a rusty chainsaw for even suggesting something like this.
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I thought that tattooing was generally confined to Auschwitz, but you've got the general idea. It was a way to keep track of prisoners so that camp officials could monitor and report on process improvement. The process being the extermination of human beings. Just thinking about it makes me feel like vomiting.
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Double facepalm granted.
But it wouldn't work anyway.
I don't think he even understands FedEx. FedEx cannot tell you where a package is RIGHT NOW. They can only tell you where it was LAST SCANNED.
The reason this works well for packages is that packages don't move themselves. And even then it has failures. This will completely fail because HUMANS can wander around on their own.
Sounds more like Christie wants to associate his campaign with something that people have a mostly positive opinion of. But I'm pretty sure that FedEx will not want to be associated with a losing candidate OR the concept of tagging and tracking undesirable races/nationalities (shades of Nazi German there).
Wouldn't it make more sense to focus on keeping *illegal* immigrants out than tagging and tracking *legal* ones? What the actual fuck?!
OF course, the real purpose of this proposal is that it's one step closer to tagging and tracking *all of us*.
He'll never be president, he has to many skeletons in the closet... ...of cows.
There's a minor problem with this plan. The ones who come here illegally? They don't have visas. That's what makes their coming here illegal. If they have a visa, then they came here legally.
You're completely missing the point. He's addressing the large number of people who legally enter (with a visa), but illegally overstay their visas, this becoming illegal immigrants. The people who illegally enter are a related, but different specific problem.
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I think people are more upset at the perceived risk of getting a barcode tattoo reminiscent of what they used in concentration camps (yeah, I Godwin'ed the thread), or maybe getting pulled over and shot by a cop for having a broken tail light.
Such things really does count against visiting the US compared to taking a week on a beach somewhere else.
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Now another Republican candidate wants to put bar codes on the people to track them.
Have the Republicans gone insane?
We all have rfid implants, and set up scanners everywhere? Because how would you know the visitors from the residents unless you track everyone?
Even if this wasn't a giant affront to rights, how would he even expect to technically implement this?
Do republicans really go apeshit for this kind of complete fantasy bullshit? So much for "freedom 'murcia." (oh right, freedom only applies to people born here that are christians)
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I thought your title was "B5". I was thinking, "Yeah, but the crew of Babylon 5 could take their com badges off if they did not want to be tracked."
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What's your definition of "peace"? There are always multiple wars going on in numerous places in the world, constantly. Many of these are being interfered with, instigated, or supported by the US and its allies. It's profitable to sell weapons to both sides, to keep the wars going. The only more profitable situation is when you get your puppet installed as leader, then you can just pilfer the public assets wholesale.
Just because it's peaceful in your little gated neighbourhood, doesn't mean the rest of the world is a-ok.
I don't think you read the post I was replying to at all. I mean, I quoted it and everything:
prosecute the ones that violate their visas... How many Mexicans do you think would come here illegally
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Is that part of the "deep bench" from the GOP?
Do they mean by deep bench "we can replace any of our lackluster, mediocre candidates by another equally untalented, saying equally thoughtless platitudes, to the delight of the unthinking GOP base"?
I know when I travel to Asia, South America, or Europe, I need to present my passport at all hotels I stay at. When I worked in Belgium, Chile and China, I had to register with the Government and provide the local police station with my information - and inform them if I moved to a new apartment/house. In the US, I don't think that tourists need to provide their passports at hotels, nor do visa holders need to register with the local police station. So - how is what is proposed much different than 90% of the rest of the world?
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Most Countries work much harder at keeping track of people in their Country.
Really? Try visiting the EU. Your passport will get checked once when you get off the plane. (And once when you get on, but that's really only to make sure that you'll be allowed entry into the US when you land back here.)
will make it to easy to see the HB1 fraud
... it's just a little code tattooed on your forearm. Oh, and we'd like you to sew this little gold star on your clothes.
Here are the top ten leading causes of death in the USA.
I looked. Homicide is 15th. Death By Terrorism isn't on this list. Overdose from drugs bought from drug dealing immigrants isn't either. Just once I wish we'd wage a war on Cancer or Drunk Driving, ya know?
Also, because it has to be said.... Maybe we can put their tracking bar code on some kind of armband? This shit is !@#$ing stupid and dangerously close to Nazi levels of moron. We have a serious politician blaming the Jews Immigrants and willing to label them. Oh. Come. On!
The Republican party invited in the stupid and completely has lost it's !@#$ing mind.
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerki...
Deaths from wars and other state violence are at historic lows.
But really foam at the mouth more.
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerki...
My definition of peace is based on war being a cause of death.
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US problem is not visa attribution - US problem is same problem as everywhere else: too many people, too few jobs, too much lack of education, too many dreams and too many deceptions.
Labeling people will not only not help, but will make thinks worse.
The Nazi system labeled jews, you still recall for sure.
I read an intresting summary today (I am not sure it's accurate though), but it stated that when The Berlin Wall was torn down in 1989 there were other 16 such walls in the world (not necessarly built same way). Nowadays 65 exist, either already in place or being finished. Last one is between Hungary and Serbia, being finished. This is a border line. Not different from the border you see at any international airport.
Most migrants are not searching for The Ultimate Life, but rather seeking survival.
Labeling them is to treat them as if they were animals - or even worse! I guess I could more easily get a permit for my Dog than one of those migrants can get a Visa for entering the US.
And yes, I am somehow revolted, even with my country, due to how it refuses to receive migrants from North Africa.
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Many of these are being interfered with, instigated, or supported by the US and its allies
That's really a US-centric view.......America isn't as powerful as you think it is. People have their own reasons for fighting, and not because they are sheep.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
The race to the bottom has begun in earnest. We are stupid people and we deserve the stupid politicians we keep electing.
Nice link. I found a nice graph to go with it, that you might be interested in. The world is becoming more peaceful.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Whenever a politician suggests something stupid like this then they have to apply it to themselves first to see how it works. Not when it passes, just when they bring the idea out in the public forum.
You're comfortable with a certain level of murder in your name, as long as it's less than it was in the past?
Sure, it beats the heck out of it being more than it was it in the past.
Thanks, that's a particularly nice presentation.It has the major types all in one image.
Depends where you live. Maybe not interfering in the Middle East, South America, Africa and Indo China would've had the same result.
"Yet we let people come to this country with visas, and the minute they come in, we lose track of them." He added: "We need to have a system that tracks you from the moment you come in."
And about 3 nanoseconds later this would be used to track citizens and violate all kinds of civil rights. If we actually aspire to be a free country we have to let people go about their business especially when we have no reasons to suspect them of anything.
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Death by communism. Somehow I think if we hadn't been doing things to move the world forward things would have been much worse.
Really is there any point in history, that you can look at and say the world would be better off if you could have erased America ?
The last thing I want to see is the travesty that is asset forfeiture expanded.
If it was expanded to immigration you could sue illegally immigrated money and then deport them to mexico.
Interesting how the main anti-US comment was modded +5 and the main pro-US comment modded 0 (as of this writing). I don't know what that tells us about opinions in general but it certainly tells us about /. posters.
There are always multiple wars going on in numerous places in the world, constantly. Many of these are being interfered with, instigated, or supported by the US and its allies.
I've got news for you, kid.
It has always been like that and you don't need an imperial power to drive the action, all you need is a sense that you are losing ground against the other.
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We need to have a system that tracks you from the moment you come in.
Yea if only we had such a device just about everybody carried around in their pockets with a GPS, camera, microphone, gyroscope, radio etc. Now it would be ideal if only there were handful of giant service providers, so we could work with them to get it done. Naah, who am I kidding? This is America, we have rights, you could never get something like that done.
Schengen Area. Doesn't include all of EU, but does also include non-EU countries.
The world is enjoying it's longest most peaceful time period since the fall of Rome and idiots get upset over what it took to achieve it.
Constant wars. That's what it takes to avoid war. War. And lots of it.
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Maybe ask the Native American tribes that question.
Arguing that today's violence is acceptable because the overall death toll is lower today than yesterday is weak. It's like saying you shouldn't complain about being locked up for no reason because your captors stopped beating you.
Freedom to fear. Freedom from thought. Freedom to kill.
I guess the War on Terror really is about freedom!
Social Justice Warrior. It's a pejorative for anyone that points out we don't have a perfect society
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So more threats and less deaths make for an acceptable imperialist invasion? I'd count "war" by the number of countries with uninvited foreign troops on their soil. Civil wars, unless proxy wars, aren't "war" in the traditional sense, and your statistics are heavily skewed by a few internal actions (Soviet Union and China coming to mind, and if Germany hadn't invaded Poland, "war" wouldn't be related to the holocaust deaths). It's a good thing government murder is down, but that isn't war. You are using the wrong statistics, because they support your opinion, rather than finding something that best describes reality, and forming your opinion based of reality.
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I wonder how long it will be until someone explains to Chris Christie that there is a fundamental difference between a inanimate package an an animate person. Secondly I wonder how long it will take the Governor to understand them...
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I guess tourism not big money in New Jersey or else he wouldn’t say something so stupid. I know people who bypass the USA now because the airport experience is so bad compared with the rest of the world, this would step that whole avoidance of the USA another magnitude.
Better would be to put the people that hire them in jail. If there was no job for illegals then there would be only a fraction of them here. As long as you have a demand for what's damn near slave labor then desperate people will find a way to get here. Kill the demand by jailing illegal employers.
Somebody should tell Chris Christie that it might not be a good idea to downgrade from GPS tracking of the smart phone devices or from the malware which jumps over air.
I think that it is a bit naive to believe that you would not be tracked 24/7 already, it should not take a rocket scientist to create a software, when you have the unlimited federal funding (backed by the floating currency). All in all, I personally don't care if somebody wants to track me online or offline, it is their problem, and more likely if that gives someone their daily allowance for food and gadgets, so be it.
In general, going public and saying that we got your back and we track all the bad people and all the good people, is only going to hurt the good, and as long as people have faith that "no-one" knows what they are doing we are safe.
I think that the best idea ever would be that all immigrants would receive a smart phone with GPS chip for free for the duration of their visit, if they dont already own one. Then they would need to return the device when they leave the country. Then also those who don't have the iPhone or Android device, would be covered. And if you would want to be more efficient, you would provide them with prepaid visa or mastercard, which would then give you the "full profile" of their behaviour (more or less).
But what really makes me worried is that if they would treat you, like the FedEx treats their packages.
You just require a passport for all internal travel. Worked for the USSR. They kept good track of foreigners.
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We track all politicians like we track cattle in the west. A large brand and a tag through the ear.
Lets track the jobs instead. Next time you apply for a job, you first go to a govt office have to have your I-9 updated to include your biometric data (fingerprint or iris scan: your pick). The biometric data kept will not be enough to uniquely identify you, just good enough so that subsequent fingerprint/iris scans have a false positive rate of ~1% of identifying someone else as you and a false negative rate of less than 0.01% (chance of not identifying you as you.)
Now: apply for your job. State your name and address and get your iris scanned. The employer's scanner encrypts the info and sends it off to the feds. The Feds match you correctly (99.99% of the time), sends back your taxpayer ID and starts the correct W2 or 1099 paperwork for your employer. The employer checks that you gave the correct taxpayer ID and hires you. The Feds can subsidize cell phone sized scanners that work on current cell phone networks, so if folks can send a text they can check whether farmworkers or babysitters are eligible on the spot and within seconds.
Sure, it could be hacked and people would still be hired under the table. But so long as the penalties for hacking or hiring under the table are steep enough most employers won't want to mess with it.
I remember telling a law student this idea and she said that it was awesome. Then I emphasized that it wasn't just for immigrant labor: for it to be useful it would be for CEOs, lawyers: all jobs. Her expression turned sour and she said it wouldn't work.
... What is happening in the EU right now with immigrants? Hmmm? Its easy to point fingers at the US and say "well that's not good"... but then look at what's happening in your own backyard. Is that good?
Frankly, we're not going to get through our shared problems here without some political incorrectness.
REAL nations can and do hold their borders. That's what borders are in part. They're the line in the sand you hold. Now if you don't do that... then so be it. You don't have a country then.
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Since stickers & ID cards can be lost, we should probably tattoo the number on the persons forearms.
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It's a legit comparison if you're a moron who doesn't know WTF he's talking about. If SS was a Ponzi scheme, the first person on the program would have been a billionaire. The next few thousand people would have been millionaires, and so on until the last to join would be left with nothing.
None of that is the case. None. Which is why you, sir, are a moron.
SS is completely self-funded. The "trust fund" was never supposed to be permanent, but the Boomers paying ahead on their earned retirement benefits. Guess where the Boomers will be by the time the trust fund is depleted? Dead.
If you subtract the number of wars in which Muslims are involved, the world is nearly totally peaceful. Mod me down if you wish, but look and read and learn first. An easier way would be to name the wars NOT involving Muslims.
There can be no peace with a religion that insists on converting you or killing you.
The number of wars going on in the world has been decreasing for decades...
This is a good place to post The Fallen video link https://vimeo.com/128373915 It's true. We are now in a period of peace. Deaths declined after WWII.
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Love to see Chistie's reaction when his European cousins come for a visit and get their ankle bracelet applied at Newark International.
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it's a socialist program meant to keep old people who can't work anymore from becoming homeless. The only question you need to answer when you ask yourself "Can we Afford Social Security?" is "Is America too broke to keep old people from being homeless?". I'd like to think my country isn't that broke (or stupid), so long as we put some caps on the number of mansions folks like Dick Cheney and the Koch bros. can have.
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There's no technical reason for barcodes or even RFIDs. Facial recognition, gait recognition, or even fingerprints would work. But Christi doesn't need to introduce the idea. It will happen anyway - and not just to immigrants.
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I once worked for a guy who had a number tattooed on his arm. There are some still around, though more of their kids and grandkids, and enough living in NYC or New Jersey that you'd think Christie would have more sense.
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H1-B makes it very hard for people to leave a job and go to another one. That is a lot of what keeps wages down since companies can bring in workers and treat them very badly and unless that person can find another company willing to do quite a lot of paperwork very quickly and take over their visa they will get thrown out. As a result they put up with a lot of abuse.
I want people to have a regular work visa where they are free to work at any company and move around as the market changes.
I do want to figure out some way to close the loopholes that companies abuse and require they hire american's first. However there are many engineering and scientific fields that are not related to computer science that really do have shortages and it is very hard to bring anyone in since normally all the H1-B vanish in a few hours since computer companies take them all for nearly slave labor.
We are probably the only first world country that makes it hard for highly skilled people to come in. If you have an actual engineering degree (chemical, mechanical, aerospace etc) that is basically free admittance to canada or any EU country.
I even know of PhD researchers where they are one of only two people in the world doing research into an area of biotech that US companies care about a LOT and neither of them live in the USA. If we could make it easier to get in for people like that it would help us a great deal.
Computer modeling for biotech drug manufacturing is HARD!
Issue them a smartphone and a Facebook account when they enter the country. Problem solved.
heh, maybe not even that.
when i landed in Charles de Gaulle airport, almost the entire staff was apparently on strike. there were a few people milling about doing odd jobs, but no one at debarkation. the French arrivals seemed jaded to it, and the rest of us just shuffled, somewhat confused, through a barren airport and wandered into France without so much as a glance.
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One would hope that this isn't where Christy is going for ideas.
I think people are more upset at the perceived risk of getting a barcode tattoo reminiscent of what they used in concentration camps (yeah, I Godwin'ed the thread),
So you basically admit that people are "upset" about an imaginary threat that doesn't currently exist, and is unlikely to ever exist?
... or maybe getting pulled over and shot by a cop for having a broken tail light. Such things really does count against visiting the US compared to taking a week on a beach somewhere else.
We're pretty much still in the same place as the last statement - an imaginary threat. People in the US aren't shot by the police for having a broken tail light. That may be the precursor to a more serious issue, such as someone assaulting a police officer and being shot, but it isn't the cause.
I'm curious, where are these imaginary boogeymen causing you to flee to? Where are these "trouble free" beaches located?
Does the threat of Godzilla keep you from Japan, or the threat of volcanoes keep you from Italy? Does the threat of deportation keep you from Greece?
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Civil wars, unless proxy wars, aren't "war"
The people dying might beg to differ.
Not all killing is murder. It is legitimate to defend yourself from enemies that want to kill you and others.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
I don't know what that tells us about opinions in general but it certainly tells us about /. posters.
The most it tells us is about 4 Slashdot posters (3 that modded one post up, and 1 person who modded one post down). Not really enough information to make any sort of judgement about the whole user-base.
An easier way would be to name the wars NOT involving Muslims.
Same goes for Americans doesn't it?
So the person dying in war says "I'd have been happy, if only it had been a car crash."?
Your statistics would count police shootings. Are those "wars"?
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I see you didn't actually read the links.
The Ukraine.
But that's a bit like "Hitler was a Vegetarian." I actually agree with your position in that I would say it's safe to say the Muslim World is currently in a last ditch fight for relevancy before modern society completely moderates its last grasp on political power (just as Catholicism destabilized much of Europe to maintain control).
But when nearly half the world is Muslim of course most of the conflicts are going to involve Muslims.
No, I did read the links. You obviously didn't understand them. The reason the recent history has been better is that the numbers are heavily skewed with a few World Wars, and the internal actions of China and Russia. Correct for world wars, and a few "isolated" internal actions, and the deaths you are counting are relatively steady.
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Come on a current elected US politician is recommended something along the lines of this, http://www.ezidavid.com/FAQ-PI.... So at the airport all that nasty filthy rotten animal foreigners are bent over, their buttocks bared, men, women and children and they have an RFID tag injected into the buttock of the choice. I am sure there are literally hundreds of thousands of Americans who would just love to humiliate and abuse those nasty filthy rotten animal foreigners. This will get airplay overseas and immediately impact tourism to the US because of the immediate negative view this generates of US politicians and the kind of treatment tourists should possible start to expect.
It is only a matter of time before widly abusive US law enforcement realises what easy prey tourists are because they are desperate not to ruin their holidays, they can be deported on the slightest excuse no matter what US law enforcement has to them and they are very unlikely to hang around to sue. So rather than hanging poor areas to target minorities to fill quotas, it would be far more profitable to hang around tourist traps and target foreigners for cash confiscation (obviously all that money is to buy drugs not spend on food and accommodation), plus failure to carry full ID at pools (immediate arrest, big fine an expulsion), many don't speak English so limited legal access (it is only a matter of time, especially with US politicians attitudes to nasty filthy rotten animal foreigners).
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
Seeing as the site was entirely about death caused by governments you must have remarkably low reading comprehension to ask
So the person dying in war says "I'd have been happy, if only it had been a car crash."?
Your statistics would count police shootings. Are those "wars"?
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China ?
The OP expresses his hate of America and it's foreign policy as a reason not to visit. This has nothing to do with the topic and seems to be little more than a neurological disorder. The only thing informative about it is it's letting you know he is not particularly sane.
Yeah, the guy in the car crash isn't counted in your statistics.. Your complaints about "war" use a broad killing that isn't very well focused on "war". It also counts police shootings. You know, the ones caused by governments (the police are government employees). Do you think that anybody on the planet but you considers a shooting at a traffic stop "war"?
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If you wrote a sentence that could be parsed into something intelligible, I'd write a reply.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
With all the tracking and intelligence collection capabilities US has, no extra effort is needed. Uncle Sam already knows where you go and what you do, if you use any kind of electronic communication or device while in the US (and while outside the US for that matter, for most of us). That, plus airline & hotel & cc usage data tracks the paths of 99% visitors. I guess if you are in the remainign 1% who really "disappear" from the electronic communications after crossing the border, you are automatically a suspect.
17779 eligible voters in a district, 17779 'vote' as one. This is Russia.
I knew you were stupid, but I didn't know you were that stupid. Guantanamo Bay is an American concentration camp for abducted muslims and most of them were released after they finally had access to a lawyer after many years of being imprisoned for nothing. The only two differences to Auschwitz are
1) you don't gas the prisoners yet, just torture them.
2) it is on Cuban soil, not in Poland.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
*facepalm*
No, it is not.
It is legitimate to defend yourself from enemies that try to kill you. Everything else is a crime.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
If you visit Europe then every hotel you stay in records your passport details and submits them every night
Even France gave this up in the late '80s.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
(sorry, I forgot to add why -- the police asked the government to stop it as they had no more room to put all the stupid cardbord files).
Watch this Heartland Institute video
#Blacklivesmatter
when i landed in Charles de Gaulle airport, almost the entire staff was apparently on strike. there were a few people milling about doing odd jobs, but no one at debarkation. the French arrivals seemed jaded to it, and the rest of us just shuffled, somewhat confused, through a barren airport and wandered into France without so much as a glance.
When you fly into Marseille, at baggage claim you find a plaque on the wall next to a phone, which translates to "if you have anything to declare, please use this phone to dial extension xxx and request a customs agent". On that trip I returned through Houston, crowded, miserable holding pen with drug-sniffing dogs working the mass of humanity. So what does our paranoia actually get us in terms of a safe society?
(yeah, I Godwin'ed the thread),
I really wish people would shut up about about this. There's nothing wrong with making references to and comparisons with Nazi Germany, in fact it's a good thing because we need to learn from that experience as a society, and there's countless parallels to be made, and constant vigilance is necessary to make sure we don't repeat this portion of history, as is often done with people who don't bother to learn history. Mr. Godwin himself has said that he never intended to squelch references to the Nazis, he was only making an observation about the trajectory of internet threads.
Actually I wrote that to pre-empt anyone who wanted to call me out on it.
In my opinion SOME references to Nazis are pretty far out there. Others, like wanting to put barcodes on 'undesirable' people, aren't.
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I think people are more upset at the perceived risk of getting a barcode tattoo reminiscent of what they used in concentration camps (yeah, I Godwin'ed the thread),
So you basically admit that people are "upset" about an imaginary threat that doesn't currently exist, and is unlikely to ever exist?
I admit nothing. I said 'the perceived risk', I don't take a stance on whether it is likely to happen. The fact is it has a detrimental effect on people's desire to visit the country in the first place.
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> "2. It seems to me that the proposals are not for illegal immigrants but for Visa holders. "
Well, it is true, it's pretty easy to track people who use credit cards... that's why spy shows always stress paying by cash. Oh wait, not that Visa.
If you wrote a sentence that could be parsed into something intelligible, I'd write a reply.
That would be impossible on this subject. Civil forfeiture is based on the idea that the state sues the money, ie.: "The state vs 1000 dollars in cash", not whoever held the money. There is no way to make that intelligible, and when expanding it to other areas the crazy just spreads. Thus if money is people, then you should be deporting illegally immigrated money.
I know it's fictional, but the campaign that Paul Atreides used to take command of the galaxy was mostly peaceful, right? I don't remember any Muslims being involved in that one.
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How silly of me. I forgot that past genocides excuse all future genocides.
Freedom to fear. Freedom from thought. Freedom to kill.
I guess the War on Terror really is about freedom!
...he is easily identifiable from outer space.
Such things really does count against visiting the US compared to taking a week on a beach somewhere else.
It does, indeed. However, common sense would suggest that less intrusive measures would be applied than barcode tattoos if it ever got to this; in fact, common sense suggests that this sort of thing will never be more than the extreme views of a stupid poitician out to grab attention.
There are two things in what you say. One is the fact that many would be visitors stay away from America because of the news coming out. That is a real shame - America has a lot of interesting, impressive and beautiful things to see, and Americans are very nice people, in most cases. Unfortunately, there's also this massive, dark side that looms large in people's consciousness; I have, over the years, seem many, worrying stories in European news about people coming to the states as ordinary tourists and having extremely bad experiences. Things like one Danish young family, who did what all Danes do: go to a small restaurant, leaving the pram with their baby right outside the window where they could keep an eye. So, did criminals snatch it? Not at all, the police turned up, the couple ended up having to fight a long, hard battle in court against losing their child 'for neglect'. That is one couple, whose friends and family will never go to the States again. It is such a shame, because you guys could do a lot better.
The other thing is the question of making people identifiable - to be honest, I wouldn't mind being 'chip-marked' like many pets and horses are now. There are situations where you would definitely like to be identifiable, like if you're found unconscious without ID somewhere. Or perhaps more likely, as a simple convenience; it would be good if I never had to worry about remembering my passport or driving licence. I'm not worried about being monitored - anyone who carries a mobile around is being monitored, and probably hasn't a clue about what is being collected about them. I had a quick look at what is in my phone (Samsung) - something like tens of apps that I have not installed, and which have permission to snoop into everything including using GPS, microphone, camera and networking. If that doesn't worry me, why would I worry about being passively monitored by 'the government' in other ways, by a chip or similar means? At least they don't sell my data to scammers, the way private companies do. I think.
There should be an insanity mod, because your post is in woeful need of it.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
The reasonable posts like this are always too late to get moderated. A shame.
Hey look.
A bigot modded up by four other bigots.
but look and read and learn first
No. you. http://www.cfr.org/global/glob...
And let's not just ignore the US's hand in destabilizing the region and exacerbating the conflicts you're referring to.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.