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Rupert Murdoch Buys National Geographic Magazine

dywolf writes: In a move that has inspired "dread" among the publication's journalists, as well as long time readers, Rupert Murdoch has just bought a controlling interest in all of National Geographic's media properties. The move turns the long time non-profit into a for-profit media corporation in the process. Some commenters have pointed to Murdoch's previous collaboration with the National Geographic Society, the NatGeo TV channel, as well other once respected publications he has bought such as the Wall Street Journal, as an example of what to expect, and to explain their apprehension at the deal. This raises a question for reader KatchooNJ: As many of you likely know, Rupert Murdoch has famously not been quiet about his denial of climate change. National Geographic gives grants to scientists... so, is anything going to now change with the focus of National Geographic's organization?

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  1. Well by Forgefather · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "In a move that has inspired "dread" among the publication's journalists, as well as long time readers, Rupert Murdoch has just bought a controlling interest in all of National Geographic's media properties."

    Read this portion and knew that I had read all I needed to. A shame as I have subscribed to the magazine for quite some time.

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    1. Re:Well by tom229 · · Score: 1

      Friedman economics. Privatize everything. What could go wrong right? Whatever you say you're wrong.... he won a noble prize!

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    2. Re:Well by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Yeah. And Henry Kissinger won a Nobel Peace prize. For his work in Vietnam.

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    3. Re: Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And Obama won a Nobel Prize. For getting elected.

    4. Re:Well by porges · · Score: 1

      So instead of one made-up arbitrary prize, it's a different made-up arbitrary prize with the same name?

    5. Re: Well by bledri · · Score: 2

      And Obama won a Nobel Prize. For getting elected.

      To be fair the Noble Prize was a pre-emptive strike. Basically they were following the Bush doctrine, but for peace prizes. And about as good of an idea.

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    6. Re: Well by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1

      And Obama won a Nobel Prize. For getting elected.

      I thought it was for bombing the moon.

    7. Re: Well by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Worse. The science and art nobels are chosen by experts in the field. The peace one was always fuzzier which is why it has had more than a few very controversial recipients but the economic one is flat out ideological and has almost exclusively gone to whoever shouted loudest for banking deregulation.
      The only exception in its entire history was Keynes and that was only because his ideas changed the world so radically it was politically impossible to skip him without losing any semblence of legitimacy. Of course in today's post fox world he probably would have been skipped.

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    8. Re: Well by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      but the economic one is flat out ideological and has almost exclusively gone to whoever shouted loudest for banking deregulation.
      The only exception in its entire history was Keynes

      I agree with most of that, but Paul Krugman got an economic Nobel, and as far as I can tell he's pretty strongly on the pro-regulation side. Mostly that current regulations are ineffective. He criticized Greenspan (before the housing crash) for not regulating housing markets, and he's argued that not only should financial innovation be regulated, but that financial industry profits should be more heavily taxed.

  2. The many into the few... by MagickalMyst · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is just a continuation of the consolidation of media outlets into the hands of the few. Not really surprising. Real journalism is almost dead in the 21st century anyway.

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    1. Re:The many into the few... by chispito · · Score: 1

      Real journalism is almost dead in the 21st century anyway.

      Define "Real journalism," because I don't think it's dead, just changed. And maybe somewhat more rare and difficult to discern.

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    2. Re:The many into the few... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      If you can't tell that it's believable, does it count as "real journalism"? Perhaps is does if a historian will someday be able to validate it. Perhaps not.

      It's my opinion that "real journalism" requires trustworthy sources of information available to the reader, not only to the investigative reporter. And trust is subject to being lost when unethical activities are detected. (Also, unfortunately, when they are fabricated, if the fabrications can't be detected as such.) For news organization the prime unethical activity is lying to the readers.

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    3. Re:The many into the few... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Your "real journalism" is like "real magic". If by "real magic" you mean paranormal magic, it doesn't exist. Stage magic is the only magic that is actually real. Journalism that really matters requires sources that would face reprisals if it got out that they are the ones providing information to the journalist, so it's understandable that they would not want to be available to the general public.

    4. Re:The many into the few... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Actually, real journalism, as I defined it, does exist. My local paper is still reasonably trustworthy about local events. Most sports news fits the definition I use. Etc. But political journalism has fallen on extremely hard days, with repeated scandals. And trust isn't an absolute, it's relative. You judge it against not only the reliability of the source, but also against the cost of false positives and false negatives. (So sports scandals have just about no effect on my evaluation of the trust of sports journalism.)

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    5. Re:The many into the few... by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1

      "Real Journalism" is exemplified by journalists such as Glen Greenwald, Laura Poitras, Hunter S. Thompson, Chris Terrill, Peter Warren and Alexandra Robbins, to name a few.

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  3. Grants? That is your worry? by s.petry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about the continued and extended monopolization and control of media? I find that much more disturbing, and would ask that the people petition the government to break up the monopolies.

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    1. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by jcr · · Score: 1, Troll

      Sorry to break it to you, but it's government that drives the consolidation. If you want to see a bunch of independent media outlets again, then fight for massive rollbacks in regulations.

      -jcr

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    2. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      More government is never the solution. Government is out there to screw the population and protect its own interests. If you don't trust mainstream media, get your news from other sources.

      So what is the solution? No government? Government by benevolent oligarchs? Theocracy? The combination of the last two which the Republicans seem to favour?

    3. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by cryptolemur · · Score: 4, Insightful

      GP is not asking more government, but that we, the people, use the power we have to protect ourselves against the sosiopathic corporations and individuals. Informed public is the very prerequisite of both working democracy and working markets. Centralized distribution and control of information is perpendicular to that -- see North Korea.

    4. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by s.petry · · Score: 2

      Non sequitur? This does not require more government. This requires action from the US Department of Justice which already exists for the exact purpose of protecting the public.

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    5. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by zlives · · Score: 1

      isn't democracy a type of government... and more government is never the solution so... we need less democracy and this is clearly the step in the right direction.

    6. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by Smidge204 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So what regulations are causing the consolidation of media brands, exactly?

      =Smidge=

    7. Re: Grants? That is your worry? by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Really? What regulations is pushing Murdoch to buy up media that he could not buy prior to Clinton's rollback of America's regulation on media ownership?

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    8. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by blue9steel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More government is never the solution.

      Never covers a lot of ground. Sometimes government is the solution, and I say that as a registered Libertarian. Anyone who believes what you do is an anarchist, and likely a fool. Now, as to whether more government is the right solution in this situation, well that's a longer, more complicated conversation.

    9. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by deKernel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When they say "more government", that doesn't mean that it actually employs more people. they are talking about more power/authority to the government.

      I have no idea why they are selling, but imagine this. What if the controlling entity of Nat Geo wants to sell meaning it is not a hostile takeover, but the government says sorry, no deal (for whatever reason). Imagine if you owned a business and wanted to sell to the highest bidder, but the government steps in and says sorry, you have to sell to the lowest bidder because "we" think it is better. Do you really want that? Does that not open the door to abuse? I think it does.

    10. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by deKernel · · Score: 2

      That will never happen for us moron.

      First, nice to see you can state your case without a personal attack. Second, have you ever been exposed to the government procurement system?

      The argument is philosophical in nature. You might be surprised that many people just aren't comfortable giving any government such power in what is a civil matter.As you think I am ludicrous to not give the government such control, I am on the other side and think it is ludicrous to think the government will NEVER abuse such authority.

    11. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by gtall · · Score: 1

      If we had less government, Grandma can come and live with you, yes?

    12. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by s.petry · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Slice it however you like, it's still a cake. More specifically, in either case the claim is incorrect. The Government already has the power to break up monopolies, and has already done so several times. The Sherman Act and Clayton Act ensured that the power was clearly defined.

      Going a bit further, I am extremely Libertarian minded. One of the few powers I believe the Government should have it to protect the public from monopolies and predatory behaviors money can bring about. You won't get me to rally for Government action on most issues.

      Your second paragraph would simply take too long to debate, but I completely disagree. In simple terms, the Press (Media) has a specific purpose which is clearly defined in the US Constitution. Monopolization prevents Media/Press from doing it's job and working _for_ the citizens.

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    13. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by FranTaylor · · Score: 1

      I am on the other side and think it is ludicrous to think the government will NEVER abuse such authority.

      when government abuses its authority there is at least a theoretical ability to push back

      when corporations abuse their authority there is NO WAY to push back

    14. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by FranTaylor · · Score: 1

      So what regulations are causing the consolidation of media brands, exactly?

      =Smidge=

      Really? You really don't understand this? There may not be a regulation that says "you are not allowed to drive the wrong way down Walnut St" but there is a regulation that says "you can't drive the wrong way down a street that has one-way street signs on it" and you are the person who says "yes but where does the law mention Walnut St"

    15. Re: Grants? That is your worry? by FranTaylor · · Score: 1

      the tax laws that make it cheaper for corporations to allow themselves to be bought out

    16. Re: Grants? That is your worry? by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Informative

      That rollback occurred during the Gringrich congress which had a veto proof Republican majority. I'm not sure on this particular bill but if it's like the others Clinton didn't have any say in the bill as the Vote was veto proof.

    17. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by xenotransplant · · Score: 1

      Could you imagine the types of crazy bullshit that would occur in this country if it were a TRUE democracy?

    18. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by xenotransplant · · Score: 1

      when corporations abuse their authority there is NO WAY to push back

      What authority do corporations have that I do not, since they're considered people? (apart from billions of the only votes that count)

    19. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by ultranova · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Imagine if you owned a business and wanted to sell to the highest bidder, but the government steps in and says sorry, you have to sell to the lowest bidder because "we" think it is better. Do you really want that?

      Imagine if your neighbour opens a toxic dump on his yard, but the government steps in and says sorry, you have to follow zoning laws because "we" think it is better. Do you really want that?

      You aren't the sole inhabitant of this world. Your actions affect other people, just like their actions affect you. And that means they will hold some say over them, either in the relatively benevolent form of a modern democratic government or in the time-tested form of assassination. Dislike it all that you want, just remember it's this same government enforcing claims of ownerships that lets you have something to sell in the first place, or a monetary system to receive the payment with for that matter.

      None of this means that the government should block the sale of National Geographic (nor that it shouldn't - it would take an impartial expert to investigate the likely effects to decide), just that "the owner wouldn't like the sale being blocked" is an irrelevant argument.

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    20. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by narcc · · Score: 1

      If you don't know, just say so.

    21. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by bledri · · Score: 2

      More government is never the solution. Government is out there to screw the population and protect its own interests.

      This attitude is the ultimate self fulfilling prophecy. Transparency in government is the answer. Public participation is the answer. Defanging government just gives more power to interests that the population has no hope of influencing. The current anti-government supposedly Libertarian movement is the largest boost to the oligarchy in US history.

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    22. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

      Well how do you know what regulations to repeal if you don't know which ones are affecting the situation? Do you trust the politicians to repeal the correct regulations?

      I mean, SURELY nobody would rally to repeal regulations without understanding at least that much about the situation, right? Right?!
      =Smidge=

    23. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Imagine if you owned a business and wanted to sell to the highest bidder, but the government steps in and says sorry, you have to sell to the lowest bidder because "we" think it is better. Do you really want that?

      Imagine if your neighbour opens a toxic dump on his yard, but the government steps in and says sorry, you have to follow zoning laws because "we" think it is better. Do you really want that?

      I don't disagree with the toxic dump example. But how exactly is a media publication which makes virtual goods in any way analogous to a physical dump whose detrimental physical effects can extend beyond the borders of your neighbor's yard? Or are there roving bands of geeky thugs I don't know about who kidnap you and force you to watch the Nat Geo channel, thus allowing its content to "spill over" onto unwilling people?

    24. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, a media publication that makes virtual goods is very analoous to a physical dump. The problem here is aggregation and monopolization. For democracy to flourish, you need access to diverse ideas, to be able to form your own opinion. If someone monopolizes all the media you are exposed to, you are no longer enjoyin a diverse marketplace of ideas. Now you are being indoctrinated on somebody's worldview and you may not even notice or know about the things that you are missing about.

    25. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by kimvette · · Score: 2

      > Sorry to break it to you, but it's government that drives the consolidation. If you want to see a bunch of independent media outlets again, then fight for massive rollbacks in regulations.

      Uhh... it's due to deregulation actually.

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    26. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by readin · · Score: 1

      I consider myself more of a conservative than a libertarian, but I think everyone should have a strong libertarian instinct. Too often when a problem arises the first thing the news media says is "and the government isn't doing anything to solve this!" And people ask "why isn't the government solving this.

      The proper questions should be "are we sure this can't be fixed without the government?" and "is the benefit of having the government solve this worth the introduction of force, the loss of freedom, and the likely side-effects?" Sometimes the answer is "yes", but most of the time it is "no".

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    27. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by lhowaf · · Score: 1

      In simple terms, the Press (Media) has a specific purpose which is clearly defined in the US Constitution.

      I don't find any definition of the press in my copy of the Constitution. Other than the Second Amendment, I found no mention of the press. The Second Amendment protects the freedom of the press but protecting the business model of the media would seem unconstitutional.

    28. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      So what regulations are causing the consolidation of media brands, exactly?

      Really? You really don't understand this? There may not be a regulation that says "you are not allowed to drive the wrong way down Walnut St" but there is a regulation that says "you can't drive the wrong way down a street that has one-way street signs on it" and you are the person who says "yes but where does the law mention Walnut St"

      I'll bite. So what regulations are causing the consolidation in general?

    29. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      Obama seems to be favoring corporations and seems to be a bit of a corporatist as Ron Paul once stated.
      But I don't think Obama is favoring a theocracy exactly.
      Where do you find he or democrats favor theocracy?
      Do you have any examples that would show this to be true?

    30. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      People certainly seem to be just cogs rather than citizens these days.
      I wonder how the array of different founders of our great nation would view the amount of money in our political system.
      Would they see correlations with how the aristocracy functioned? Would they be confounded?
      Would they have written the constitution differently knowing how things would be turning out?

    31. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by Holi · · Score: 1

      >Other than the Second Amendment, I found no mention of the press.
      Then you have some very special reading skills as the 2nd Amendment makes absolutely no mention of the press.

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    32. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by Holi · · Score: 1

      Really, so it wasn't the relaxing of the regulations regarding media ownership that caused the consolidation?

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    33. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      Libertarianism devolves into pure Socialism?
      How so?
      The philosophy and economics of Libertarianism is often rather different from pure Socialism whatever that is. So ultimately, I don't understand what you are talking about.

      Neither do I understand how your synopsis of the paucity of Libertarian Academics is the result of something being proved by political scientists.
      Proved? What has been proved? In my experience, very little in life is "proved", so I think I might need further elucidation as to what this proof is.

      Also I don't get your absolutist statement about never seeing a Libertarian President. Perhaps you could be right that there will be no libertarian president, but perhaps not... that is why there is a future and it is not necessarily written in stone. Who knows how the future unfolds.

      "any group of Libertarians only serves to divide the Democratic voting power."
      The above statement could be made about any group of voters.
      The more parties, candidates etc., the more diced up the voting will become.
      What is your point?

      "you have been swept up in a trendy movement that will have no political effect that will benefit you"

      ???
      People generally have a certain political bent because they agree with the philosophy and goals of the group.
      Not sure how being in a political movement has no political effect to benefit the person in the movement. The benefit is in being with a like minded group.
      Also as the number of people swells, the group gains political power to enact the kinds of things which they approve of.
      Small motivated groups of people often move the ball of politics.

    34. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      Seems plausible. Certainly Thomas Jefferson's "Freedom from Monopoly" part of the bill of rights might have come in handy for our country to keep the balance of power more toward citizens, which is what the founding fathers were attempting to do with the Constitution. Our constitution is about defining the relationship between the ordinary citizen and their government and setting up a feedback loop.

      Somehow this has once more gotten a bit out of whack.
      Maybe we need another constitutional convention to re-align power back to the citizens again.

    35. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      So what regulations are causing the consolidation of media brands?

      I have this question too and I'm not sure you were specific on regulations which have resulted in media consolidation.
      It seems like the market is resulting in media consolidation.
      I would be interested in a regulation that you know of which might cause media to consolidate.

    36. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by Smidge204 · · Score: 2

      According to this article, it's the relaxation of regulations that is permitting media conglomerates.

      That's the exact opposite of the claim being made, and OP's proposal to remove existing regulations will only make it worse.
      =Smidge=

    37. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      when government abuses its authority there is at least a theoretical ability to push back when corporations abuse their authority there is NO WAY to push back
      You've got that backwards son, corporations don't tend to demand a monopoly on force, the way that govt's do. So other than large private corporations which are subject to law suits(something most govt's have the choice to disagree to, see sovereign immunity). What actions can you take against the govt that you can't take to push back against corporations?

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    38. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by lhowaf · · Score: 1

      Oops, sorry. First Amendment.
      "Other than the First Amendment, I found no mention of the press. The First Amendment protects the freedom of the press but protecting the business model of the media would seem unconstitutional."

    39. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by jcr · · Score: 1

      it's due to deregulation actually.

      Ever tried to start a radio station?

      Go give it a shot, and then come back and tell me how unregulated it is.

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    40. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      Who wants to start a radio station?
      There are no regulations on print media, and that is what is being discussed.

    41. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Well he certainly worships at the altar of state - my observation is that the left does the following: s/God/Government/g and that's their religion.

    42. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      How exactly does one worship at a alter of state?

      Are you saying the state is somehow a surrogate for a divine creature?

      What is an alter of state?

      Simply thinking the government can do something useful some times does not seem very equivalent to the reverence worshipers bestow on all powerful all knowing deities who created the universe or portions of it at least depending upon ones dogma.
      There is a false equivalence it seems to me, but perhaps I just don't understand enough.

    43. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      Altar

    44. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying that governments cannot accomplish useful things -- ours does even though that's usually by accident. What I am saying is this: Most folks who are of the lefty persuasion seem to think that government is all powerful and should be...prayed to...to get what one wants in life. Saying "The government should do it" is really the equivalent, for them, of saying "OH, G*d, please grant me this boon." I find the whole thing insane but most folks dseem to see it that way.

    45. Re:Grants? That is your worry? by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      I knew what you meant but thanks for the correction.

  4. An old institution laid to rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nat Geo's been on a decline of relevancy for a long time now but this is it for that once groundbreaking magazine.

    Rupert Murdoch turns respectable informative publications in to conservative outrage media entertainment tabloids. Don't fool yourself. He's done this to push his agenda and to stifle a viewpoint that runs counter to his financial interests, and those of his friends.

    1. Re:An old institution laid to rest by gtall · · Score: 1

      I do note the editorial pages of WSJ have taken a pre-historic turn, but the rest of the rag is still the business mouthpiece it has always been interspersed with actual news articles that would never have passed Murdoch's ok if he were censuring the rag.

  5. Why the hate? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >> once respected publications he has bought such as the Wall Street Journal

    AFAIK, WSJ is still a top-tier newspaper in the same class as the NYT or Washington Post. (And its circulation is still strong.)

    >>"dread" among the publication's journalists

    From what I've seen in print media over the past 15 years, any journalists left are lucky to have their jobs. Fortunately, NG is as much a photography magazine as anything else (if you don't believe me, look at who advertises in it) so I don't see that changing, even if the print staff decides to take their ball and go...well, where?

    1. Re:Why the hate? by Todd+Palin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When the WSJ was sold the bias of the paper shifted not-so-subtly to the right. It may be a top-tier newspaper, but its bias clearly indicates it is a tool of the Murdoch empire.

      Comparing the WSJ to the Washington Post probably is appropriate since the Washington Post shares the right wing bias.

      The bottom line is that he owns way too many media outlets which tends to drown out other voices. The argument that any of his media outlets are truly independent is really a joke. They publish what he wants them to publish through direct, indirect, or implied influence. That is why the hate.

    2. Re:Why the hate? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      WSJ is still a top-tier newspaper in the same class as the NYT or Washington Post.

      Absolutely! As political rags they certainly are in the same class...

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    3. Re:Why the hate? by Trepidity · · Score: 2

      The WSJ editorial pages have always been right-wing, even kind of angry cultural right-wing (not business-conservative, as you might expect from the title). But the news pages used to be strongly firewalled from the editorial, which I think is the main thing that's changed.

    4. Re:Why the hate? by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      Ah yeah I forgot about the open-borders part, which clearly doesn't fit mainstream conservatism. I don't think they support that one for leftist reasons, though, more for the usual reasons that businesspeople support it: cheap labor, dislike of mandatory systems like E-Verify, etc. They're on board with the lobbying for more H1Bs, too.

    5. Re:Why the hate? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      When the WSJ was sold the bias of the paper shifted not-so-subtly to the right.

      You faithfully read it 'before' and 'after' to state that definitely? Or are you just repeating something you heard from a college professor?

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    6. Re:Why the hate? by Todd+Palin · · Score: 2

      I have read the WSJ since about 1960. And no, I didn't hear it from a college Professor. I'm offering my opinion, which is a little different than "stating that definitely". Determining bias is always a little subjective, but I suspect your college professors would agree.

      How about you? Have you read it?

    7. Re:Why the hate? by FranTaylor · · Score: 2

      Plus, while you might think the editorial pages are right-wing, their rabid support for amnesty for illegals + open borders is very much a leftist position.

      tell that to the all those rural republican farmers who use illegal aliens to pick their crops

    8. Re:Why the hate? by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Ah yeah I forgot about the open-borders part, which clearly doesn't fit mainstream conservatism.

      I didn't realize the EU was "mainstream conservative", given their fairly strong reticence viz. Syrian and Libyan refugees ... Oh, wait, you meant *here*, in North America, where the US is the only nation that actually allows immigration without the immigrant being massively wealthy (or have a job waiting, or be married to a native) first.

      Careful where you throw that rock, big guy. ;)

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    9. Re:Why the hate? by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Clue: migrant workers are not illegal aliens; there's actually a class of guest worker visa for the purpose.

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    10. Re:Why the hate? by FranTaylor · · Score: 2

      migrant workers are not illegal aliens

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/

      "The labor shortages, which also have affected the hotel and restaurant industries, are a consequence of Georgia’s immigration enforcement law, HB 87, which was passed last year. "

      then why are there labor shortages when the law is enforced? not enough illegal aliens!

    11. Re:Why the hate? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      As soon as RM bought the Wall Street Journal, they started using color pictures. I've never forgiven them.

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    12. Re:Why the hate? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Slight left-right bias only matters if your sole purpose for reading the newspaper is to read about politics. Who does that? Politics are like the entertainment section, the rest is what matters.

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    13. Re:Why the hate? by readin · · Score: 1

      When the WSJ was sold the bias of the paper shifted not-so-subtly to the right. It may be a top-tier newspaper, but its bias clearly indicates it is a tool of the Murdoch empire.

      Comparing the WSJ to the Washington Post probably is appropriate since the Washington Post shares the right wing bias.

      The bottom line is that he owns way too many media outlets which tends to drown out other voices. The argument that any of his media outlets are truly independent is really a joke. They publish what he wants them to publish through direct, indirect, or implied influence. That is why the hate.

      Washington Post has a "right-wing bias"? Since when is "right-wing" pro-abortion, pro-Democrats, pro-illegal immigration, pro-Obamacare, pro-gay-marriage, and pro-big-buiness-bailouts?

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    14. Re:Why the hate? by dave420 · · Score: 1

      I take it you don't know how much it costs to get into the US legally, and that Germany will allow anyone with a Syrian passport immediate asylum with an aim to permanent residence.

      You seem to be parroting some idea you heard somewhere, and not actual facts...

    15. Re:Why the hate? by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      I take it you didn't see where I mentioned the "EU", not "Germany".

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  6. National Geographic magazine lost all credibility by gweilo8888 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One only needs to watch the drek on the National Geographic channel -- an endless parade of shockumentaries and "reality" TV -- to see the lowest common denominator at which Rupert Murdoch is aiming. That, ladies and gentlemen, is what we can also expect as the future of National Geographic Magazine. Loads of articles intended to shock, articles on the latest travels of the celebrities du jour, plenty of paid product placements, and precisely no actual science.

    Mourn for National Geographic magazine, ladies and gents, because it just died and the corpse will now be reanimated.

  7. Just the media part? by Berkyjay · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can someone verify this? I read somewhere last night (can't find the link) that he only bought the media portion of NatGeo. The non-profit part that runs the museum in DC and gives out research grants is still under the control of the NatGeo non-profit. They basically sold the media segment so that they could still continue operating as a research non-profit. But I could be wrong.

    1. Re:Just the media part? by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Assuming for the moment that you are correct, where does the research non-profit get its funding from if the media portion has been sold to hostile interests?

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    2. Re:Just the media part? by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      Assuming for the moment that you are correct, where does the research non-profit get its funding from if the media portion has been sold to hostile interests?

      Same place they did before - donors.

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    3. Re:Just the media part? by Immerman · · Score: 2

      That raises the question - what percentage of those donations were received from people who specifically liked the membership perk of receiving a nice colorful monthly magazine details some of the more interesting results?

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    4. Re:Just the media part? by Berkyjay · · Score: 1

      Somebody already mentioned the donors. But I have to imagine the money Murdoch is paying for the media portion is significant enough to keep them solvent.

    5. Re:Just the media part? by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      As far as I can tell, the arrangement will give them a share of the revenue. So they've basically licensed the magazine "brand" in return for a cut of the profits.

      I don't think this is really good stewardship of the organization, personally. They're a non-profit that is supposed to serve the public interest, and maintaining a non-profit magazine to inform the public is an important part of that. But if their goal is just to maximize money they have for grants, sure, it'll probably do that.

    6. Re:Just the media part? by FranTaylor · · Score: 1

      Assuming for the moment that you are correct, where does the research non-profit get its funding from if the media portion has been sold to hostile interests?

      Same place they did before - donors.

      donors who like what they read in the magazine

    7. Re: Just the media part? by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 1

      Dead link...

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  8. Like a punch to the gut by Bayoudegradeable · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I grew up combing through my dad's huge collection of issues, reading and discussing the articles with my dad and pouring over the incredible maps that came with many issues. National Geographic atlases, in particular The Earth and Man, were a dear part of my childhood. That I am a geography teacher today is directly related to my love of maps and the world around me. And now I have to mourn the passing of a loved and respected pillar of learning. Climate change denial and preppers are all that await now.

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    1. Re:Like a punch to the gut by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 1

      Preppers are dumb, no one should ever be ready for anything. The more unlikely the possibility, the less you should prepare. That's my motto!

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    2. Re:Like a punch to the gut by sycodon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Who are you kidding? You were looking for the native's titties.

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    3. Re:Like a punch to the gut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Climate change denial and preppers are all that await now.

      Preppers may be crazy, but someone is making serious money off them. I just got a Costco ad in the mail. RIght beside the $3000 hot tubs and $2900 personal saunas are "food for a year" and "water for a year" kits, along with other survival gear. Forget advancing science -- you can make a mint selling plastic tubs of MREs for preppers to put in their gated community mansions' basement...you know, just in case,

    4. Re:Like a punch to the gut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most prepping is a joke anyway. The basement bomb-shelter usually depends on a continual flow of electricity and water, neither of which will be available after a disaster. Even if one is built such that neither is required...the storage of food and water will cover a few days tops, and foraging will be fruitless (every edible thing in the city will be picked clean by looters by the time the preppers have run out of their stored supplies and go hunting).

      The middle-of-nowhere bomb shelter suffers from this problem only slightly less.

      Prepping is just a good way of ensuring a slower, more agonizing death.

    5. Re:Like a punch to the gut by Speck'sBacon · · Score: 1

      I fail to see what's crazy about keeping food, potable water, and other supplies around in case of catastrophe. They're self-starters, and don't want to rely on a government that might take a long time to get themselves in gear (if they're able to do anything at all) in cases of natural disaster and such.

    6. Re:Like a punch to the gut by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      So you shouldn't prepare for winter storms, power failures, hurricanes if you live where you get them, have a tornado shelter if you live in tornado country, have savings, have food in your home, keep your gasoline tank in your car above "E"? Boy, non preppers are really dumb, they're always at the mercy of every little glitch.

    7. Re:Like a punch to the gut by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      That's why the store shelves get stripped bare whenever there's a storm. And why so many idiots cry about "price gouging". If they had simply spent some of their beer/weed money on basic supplies, they wouldn't have to worry about price gouging.

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    8. Re:Like a punch to the gut by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      How many preppers live in gated communities, much less mansions? How many live out of the cities and suburbs, where they can actually live how they want?

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    9. Re:Like a punch to the gut by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 1

      Way too far the other way, guy. One should always keep enough storage of Non-perishable Food Rations and Water to last at least a week. By all means have a shelter capable of withstanding and protecting occupants from the regional probable disasters (flooding, landslides, hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires..what have you). If it's evident before hand that the disaster will likely keep you a prisoner inside your bunker for more than a week or two (at the very most), it's probably better to get out of dodge. Prepping for a ground zero nuclear or dirty bomb attack, you're not likely to get into the shelter before you're a crispy critter. Inside the radiation zone of said attack? You might live in the bunker for a while until your supplies run out, but they WILL run out long before it's safe to come out of that bunker.

      There's preparing for a likely disaster... Then there's preparation obsession to the level of stupid, which are the people that tend to get labeled as "prepper". When it's to the latter level, that's just someone who will not come to terms with the fact that circumstances leading to death can very well be inevitable and uncontrollable.

    10. Re:Like a punch to the gut by FranTaylor · · Score: 1

      One should always keep enough storage of Non-perishable Food Rations and Water to last at least a week.

      There's no such thing as "non-perishable", if you keep special food for such an occasion it will invariably be spoiled and inedible when you most need it

      What you need to do is keep larger rotating stocks of the food that you do actually eat, so that you can rotate through your stocks of food before they go stale. When the bad days arrive you will have plenty of the same food you've been eating all along.

    11. Re:Like a punch to the gut by Todd+Palin · · Score: 1

      Maybe Murdoch will resurrect those kinds of articles in an effort to increase readership. Maybe that is what he thinks his followers like. He might be right.

    12. Re:Like a punch to the gut by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 1

      Sorry if my time constrained summary of disaster preparedness didn't include that little bit of information about rotating stock and assuming that everyone knew that non-perishable meant food that had a shelf life longer than two weeks without refrigeration (you know like canned food, dried meats, trail mixes...that kind of stuff). I forgot that Slashdot was supposed to be the end-all be-all of information about everything in the universe. And here I thought someone who was actually serious about getting information about being prepared for a disaster that knocks out power and water for more than a week would get the pertinent information about stock rotation, boarding up the house, and other important tidbits from one of those pamphlets that are available at most government offices (at least I can find them here in Georgia and back when I lived in Connecticut). Thanks for enlightening me on how to be a pedantic ass!

  9. I also subscribe by KatchooNJ · · Score: 2

    I also subscribe to the magazine, and have enjoyed it for decades. Definitely not happy with this news. :-(

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    1. Re:I also subscribe by DougOtto · · Score: 2

      I get regular royalty checks from them. Definitely not happy either.....

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    2. Re:I also subscribe by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      What do you mean, you get royalty checks? I didn't vote for you!

    3. Re:I also subscribe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not voting for them is kind of the point of royalty...

    4. Re:I also subscribe by ultranova · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not voting for them is kind of the point of royalty...

      Unless you're in Star Wars or high school.

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    5. Re:I also subscribe by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Just because some watery tart threw a sword at you doesn't mean you should get checks!

    6. Re:I also subscribe by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I get democracy checks instead, since I'm American.

    7. Re:I also subscribe by DougOtto · · Score: 1

      Did you just see him repressing me?

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    8. Re:I also subscribe by DougOtto · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't it be a democratic republic check?

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    9. Re:I also subscribe by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Suck it up, nothing lasts forever. National Geographic had run into a massive wave of competing internet content and is was starting to struggle. So News Corporation bought it out with one single intent in mind, to milk every bit of trust out of it they could in order to sell corporate propaganda as truth. So expect the likes wind farms kill people and open cut coal mines are beautiful (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-11/abbott-wants-to-reduce-wind-farms-wishes-ret-never-implemented/6539164, Toxic Tony is Rupert's dog) or stuff like this http://www.bp.com/en/global/co... presented as truth rather than PR=B$ etc etc etc (just too many lies too bother listing).

      Fox News has run into a real serious problem https://www.google.com.au/sear..., their people are now often attacked when they go out on the street without protection and that is a huge problem when it comes to selling propaganda as news, less and less people believe them and they hate them for doing it. So they desperately need new brands in order to continue to sell propaganda as truth.

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  10. penetrating coverage by nimbius · · Score: 5, Funny

    people are worried about this buyout and its usually because Murdoch owned fox news and the Wallstreet Journal slid hard right when they were bought by him,but i think its important to put this in perspective. hes a businessman.

    Ive seen upcoming articles, and they look promising. "Gazelles, harbingers of homosexual war on christmas" seems to tackle a subject in a fair and balanced manner. "Penguins, natures undercover abortion factories" and "pot smoking illegal immigrant peregrine falcon migrations" might sound a bit heavy handed but the cover art is very dynamic.

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    1. Re:penetrating coverage by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:penetrating coverage by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      "Gazelles, harbingers of homosexual war on christmas"

      I'd be more worried about the dik-diks doing that.

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  11. New Editorial Policy... by tekrat · · Score: 1

    Global Warming doesn't exist, The Earth was created in Six Days, Woman evolved from Adam's Rib, and liberal policies are destroying the planet.

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  12. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...will all the topless native women be on page 3 now?

    1. Re:So... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      ...will all the topless native women be on page 3 now?

      Yeah but their tits will be on page 4...

  13. Re:Excellent by Toshito · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How can that drivel be modded up?

    Who gave mod points to Murdoch?

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  14. Re:New Editorial Policy...FTFY by zlives · · Score: 1

    Woman was created from Adam's Rib
    liberal policies are destroying moral values witch are in turn destroying the planet

  15. Re:Why is National Geographic giving grants? by SydShamino · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why are journalists handing out grants to scientists (or anyone else) in the first place?

    Because governments won't fund much science any more, and neither will for-profit corporations unless that science helps grow their profit in 1-2 years max, and neither will most people directly because they are too preoccupied with shiny, but people are willing to buy a shiny, intelligent magazine, and that magazine's (former) owners believed for more than 100 years that they should use those profits to fund science, so they did?

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  16. Re:Science is so closed minded by SydShamino · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah no kidding. People who believe that dinosaurs and humans lived side-by-side 6000 years ago have been cast out of the archaeology community too, as have people who believe the earth is flat from the geography community and people who believe the sun revolves around the earth from the astronomy community. Where did open-mindedness go?

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  17. Re:Rupert Murdoch by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    No, he is proof that the the dinosaurs walk among us...

    This is a sad moment for Nat Geo. Maybe the association can divest itself of him and take their money elsewhere.

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  18. Re:National Geographic magazine lost all credibili by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    ...it just died and the corpse will now be reanimated.

    So, the zombie invasion is for real...

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  19. Ye gods! by fremsley471 · · Score: 1

    The National Geographic Society president and CEO, Gary Knell, will serve as the board's first chairman.

    The new joint venture will give the National Geographic Society the "scale and reach to continue to fulfill our mission long into the future", Knell said in a statement. The transaction is expected to close later this year. "As media organizations work to meet the increasing demand for high-quality storytelling across multiple platforms, it's clear that the opportunity to grow by more closely aligning our branded content and licensing assets is the right path" he said.

    http://www.theguardian.com/med...

  20. Re:Rupert Murdoch by AndyKron · · Score: 2

    Dinosaurs existed, Jesus played with baby ones when he was a kid.

  21. Re:Science is so closed minded by Immerman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Step 1) Show me a competent CLIMATE scientist that is arguing against anthropogenic climate change.

    No, not biologists, economists, doctors, chemists, etc. PhDs are notorious for being utterly convinced of their own competence on things far outside their actual field of expertise. I want someone who has actually spent decades studying the intricacies of climate science.

    Step 2) Get them to explain how steadily increasing the amount of infrared-scattering CO2 gas in the atmosphere, acting in a frequency band that's still fairly transparent (and distinct from the frequency band scattered by water vapor) can have any effect *other* than raising the average global temperature

    Step 2B) - if they deny that humans are responsible for the rising CO2 levels, ask them how exactly they explain the fact that measured atmospheric CO2 levels are increasing at roughly 80% of the easily calculated rate that humans are releasing fossil carbon into the atmosphere, and what exactly they would expect to happen if we magically stopped our emissions tomorrow.

    Step 3) Ask them to explain what's *actually* causing the *observed* increase in global temperatures over the last couple decades.

    Do that, and then we can have a reasoned conversation on the topic. And it's a conversation I'd love to have, truly, because frankly things are looking pretty bleak, and the only contrarian voices I've heard have been from self-important crackpots and heavily vested interests (and their lab-coated puppets).

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  22. Re:Excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My head is hot when buried in the sand. Global Warming!

  23. WRONG by SEE · · Score: 5, Informative

    The linked article is unfortunately abbreviated and incomplete, and as a result, the conclusions being drawn are wrong.

    First off, the Society itself is still an independent non-profit. It just no longer has 100% ownership of the magazine. The effect on the Society is that it will have more money to give to scientists (while 21st Century Fox will have no say in how that money is handed out).

    Second, they did not sell a controlling interest; the Society explicitly retains 50% of the Board of Directors for the magazine. The "73%" is Fox's share of profits, not control.

    1. Re:WRONG by FranTaylor · · Score: 2

      Second, they did not sell a controlling interest;

      You can still "control" and threaten to cripple an organization if you pull your funding, even if it's not "controlling".

  24. Re:National Geographic magazine lost all credibili by Trepidity · · Score: 2

    Yeah, the organization has been increasingly revenue-focused lately, which explains how this could happen. The National Geographic Society is a nonprofit, so Murdoch can't force them to sell. It's not near bankruptcy, either, so this isn't a distressed forced sale. Why would they sell a 127-year-old magazine with a respected brand, when their charitable mission is to promote the progress of science and inform the public? It seems the answer is that the current board of the National Geographic Society isn't content with its current size, but wants to make it a mega-sized nonprofit. To do that, they need more money, and this is one way of getting more money.

  25. C'mon Mods.. by s.petry · · Score: 1

    This one may generate some good discussion, even though it's either misguided or incorrectly/confusingly stating issues. I don't agree that it's a "Troll" and will point out that a different opinion does not make it a troll. I do hope someone with Mod points corrects the rating.

    Does Government want the monopolization? Absolutely, it's so much easier to control fewer media companies and this is about control.

    Has deregulation caused the problems? Sure, but those go back quite a ways. The debates allowing mergers really started in the late 80s under Reagan. The deregulation happened under Clinton's first term. It took a long time to monopolize the media, but that should have been an obvious desire. Too much too soon and people would have worried and stopped the process. People in Government, contrary to popular myth, are actually quite intelligent and understand things like incremental change and rhetoric. They also happen to enjoy Sophistry and Rhetoric, which makes it a lose lose for society.

    Massive roll backs? It was not a lot of deregulation. The regulation is the easy part to put in place. The hard part is all of the court rulings (I'll agree if you claimed it mostly Kangaroo) which allowed the deregulation before and after it occurred. Also the court rulings which allowed dishonesty in media (Florida Supreme Court vs. Fox) are going to be messy.

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    1. Re:C'mon Mods.. by FranTaylor · · Score: 1

      Absolutely, it's so much easier to control fewer media companies and this is about control.

      correction, it's easier for a media entity to control the government as it gets bigger and bigger

    2. Re:C'mon Mods.. by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Difference in opinion, not really a correction. I used to be of an opinion similar to yours, but decided that it was impossible that politicians were either wrong or unlucky 100% of the time. You may see the probability differently, which is fine.

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    3. Re:C'mon Mods.. by FranTaylor · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile back in reality, Donald Trump, with no political experience but a vast media presence on television for decades, is the leading presidential candidate.

    4. Re:C'mon Mods.. by s.petry · · Score: 1

      And do you truly believe he would have been both in the race, and receiving this much attention if certain people were not in political trouble? I can't change your belief if you do, just show you an alternative viewpoint to inspect.

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  26. Re:Do the whiners here actually read the WSJ? by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

    The situation you describe is the most logical output in this kind of operations. Companies only want profits and will never change what is already generating them.

    Murdoch will certainly not affect the underlying ideas of National Geographic. A different story is the quality: reduction of expenses is usually the first step when moving from non-profit to for-profit.

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  27. Re:National Geographic magazine lost all credibili by DerekLyons · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One only needs to watch the drek on the National Geographic channel -- an endless parade of shockumentaries and "reality" TV -- to see the lowest common denominator at which Rupert Murdoch is aiming. That, ladies and gentlemen, is what we can also expect as the future of National Geographic Magazine. Loads of articles intended to shock, articles on the latest travels of the celebrities du jour, plenty of paid product placements, and precisely no actual science.

    As I'm seeing discussion of this across the web, I'm starting to wonder how many people commenting have actually read National Geographic Magazine anytime in the last three decades. The level of science there has been steadily decreasing for a very long time - replaced slowly by adventure reporting not entirely unbiased "issue" reporting. On the other hand, the bias matches that of liberal/libertarian demographic that makes up a good part of the /. demographic, so it's probably been invisible to them. Which also explains why so many are mourning a mistaken image, rather than seeing it for the drek it has become. The science based National Geographic was bedridden by the 80's, comatose by the 90's, and has been on life support machines since the 00's.

    Just like Discover, Scientific American, and Omni before it.

    Why? Because real science is fucking boring, so boring that even those supposedly interested in it failed to notice it slipping away. It's no surprise to me that same demographic worships at the faux science altars of Mythbusters, Alton Brown, Bill Nye, and Niel DeGrasse Tyson - they want science, but only if it's tarted up, made entertaining, and reduced to sound bites they can pass around like cargo cultists. On Slashdot there's a constant refrain about the slipping position of science in American culture, and while it's often blamed on the conservatives and the Religious Right... Look to your mirrors and consider carefully the glass house in which you dwell.

    And, as usual, the truth will be modded down - because it hurts.

  28. Re:Rupert Murdoch by gtall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yeah, well Nat. Geo. TV is no gem. These are the same bozos who gave us Extreme Worm Wrangling (watch life and death struggles between he-boys and earth worms), Dangerous Minnow Fishing (he-boys bait and hook deathly minnows while they aren't looking), NASA: The Unexplained Files (UFOs are everywhere, Aliens buzz the Earth, no actual film of aliens, they are shy little devils...but we'll breathlessly tell what they COULD do were they to take out your brain for foosball practice), etc.

    Murdoch and Nat. Geo. TV is a match made in Heaven.

  29. Re:Rupert Murdoch by gtall · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    That was Moses, Ezekiel whizzed around the sky on a hover board. Jesus spent his time denying gays the right to marriage.

  30. Re:Rupert Murdoch by Falconnan · · Score: 1

    Devoid of context this really misleads.

    Full interview: http://www.nzz.ch/klimapolitik...

  31. Re:Less Subscribers by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

    Then let's hope he buys Dice.

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  32. Re:National Geographic magazine lost all credibili by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 2

    I always liked their archaeology articles. A few years back I bought the complete National Geographic on DVD. I like to pick an issue at random and read it from time to time. Although are they still producing new real documentaries like what use to show on PBS in the 80s or is that now left to the BBC.

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  33. Re:Why is National Geographic giving grants? by HiThere · · Score: 1

    I think you overrate the "disposable income" available to "most people". If you don't have much spare cash, you spend it on things that provide immediate gratification, because things that are long term are out of reach.

    When I was growing up, I strongly believed in saving. And when, as an adult, I saved I noticed the money that I had saved evaporating into inflation higher than interest rates. Now that inflation is relatively low, interest rates are a joke. It's enough to make me understand the "gold bugs".

    Well, I'm in a category where I have some of my money invested in stocks. That is, usually, growing faster than inflation. But then I'm considerably about the median income level. (Though I'm well below the mean...and when the median is well below the mean, that should tell you about the income structue. And let's not even contemplate the mode.)

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  34. Re:welcome to being "part of the problem" by Forgefather · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes actively filtering information to determine what is true and what is not is a valuable skill on the internet and one that I use regularly, but that is only useful when you are trying to evaluate opinions on complex issues.

    I will gladly sift through competing opinions to formulate my own opinion, but what I will not do is sift through bald faced lies to determine what is true and what is not just to get to the point of being able to form my own opinion. That is a waste of my time.

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  35. Re:National Geographic magazine lost all credibili by Fragnet · · Score: 1

    You're suggesting that it should be supported with billions of tax payers cash like the BBC, are you? I love C-Span as much as anyone, but there's a limit to how much freeloading media entities can do. The Guardian, Islington's newspaper of choice, is only around because it's horrific, paid for capitalist publications are so profitable. Itself it loses huge amounts of cash every year.

  36. Re:New Editorial Policy...FTFY by FranTaylor · · Score: 1

    Woman was created from Adam's Rib
    liberal policies are destroying moral values witch are in turn destroying the planet

    the planet really doesn't care about morals, your body decomposes the same either way

  37. Re:Rupert Murdoch by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Funny

    In capitalist USA, fossils own National Geographic.

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  38. Re:National Geographic magazine lost all credibili by rbanzai · · Score: 1

    I've been a subscriber since 1977 and your point of view is not representative of reality. The science based aspect has not declined at all, including the current issue that's on my dining room table right now. That you follow that up with a strange finger-pointing routine further undermines your unfounded statement.

    That said I expect Murdoch will poison NG with his horseshit as he does to every media outlet he consumes. NG played a major role in shaping my view of the world and the universe beyond and it saddens me that it will soon be gutted, just another political mouthpiece added to the braying armies of hate.

  39. He's a lukewarmist, not a denier by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 2

    How can anybody call him a "denier" when he acknowledged global warming in the first twenty seconds of the cited video?

    He is more of a lukewarmist, meaning that he agrees that the climate is changing, is not certain that's a bad thing, and reserves judgment on controlling emissions until there is more data to confirm the models' predictions.

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    1. Re:He's a lukewarmist, not a denier by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      Because "climate change" is a political issue and if you're not 97% on board with the alarmist dogma you get denounced, attacked and marginalized by the groupthink mob because you're worse than Hitler.

    2. Re:He's a lukewarmist, not a denier by dbIII · · Score: 1

      In front of other audiences he is a denier.
      Rupert says what is required for the situation. He gave a series of lectures that seemed to show he's a huge fan of taxpayer funded education, but he's got very elaborate arrangements to avoid funding it by paying tax. Apple's double Dutch Irish tax dodge looks simple in comparison.
      Wherever you sit on the political spectrum there's no point standing up for him - he's not for Republicans, Tories or whatever, he's for Rupert telling those in power what to do. That's why he keeps his newspapers that are bleeding money. What he prints in them influences politics far better than his cable, satellite, studios etc that are not bleeding money.

  40. Re:Points of discussion-things are not bleak by Immerman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First off, thank you for presenting a decent argument requiring me to bruch up on my understanding of some details. Now let me address at least some of your points.
    -The bands get saturated...
    Okay, that's true if you're trying to see images through the atmosphere at that wavelength, but is not really relevant to energy transfer. The IR in the relevant band is absorbed by the atmosphere BUT it's also immediately radiated in a random direction (half of it downwards) at the same frequency, aka scattering. 100% of the heat will eventually escape the atmosphere, it has to or the Earth would have been burnt to a cinder billions of years ago from trapped heat. The question is only how long it takes to do that. For simplicity think of the atmosphere as a bunch of layers of heavily frosted glass or semi-silvered mirrors reflecting heat, with every layer represents the thickness of atmosphere required to reflect 50% of the IR passing through it back at its source. And the Earth is at the bottom immediately re-radiating every photon that gets bounced back at it. Every photon that leaves the Earth will eventually escape the stack of mirrors, but essentially none of them will do so in a nice straight line (the straight path is saturated). Instead each one is going to bounce back and forth between mirrors at random until eventually it gets lucky and manages to make it through the topmost mirror. And the thing is, it doesn't matter how many layers there are, adding another one will always increase the total number of bounces required for a photon to escape (half the photons that would have escaped get bounced back downwards to wander randomly through the layers until they make it to the top again). And that's essentially what we're doing when we add CO2 to the atmosphere - we reduce the thickness of atmosphere required to reflect 50% of the heat, so that there's more atmosphere left over to act as a final mirror at the top of the stack (it probably won't be a full 50%, but the point is it will stop some of the photons from escaping immediately, increasing the average number of bounces required). And the whole time it's bouncing around it's contributing its energy to the atmosphere. Make it so that the photons take an average of 10% longer to escape to space, and you've increased their contribution to atmospheric temperature by a similar amount.

    -CO2 is not only from humans.
    You neatly ignore my point: measured atmospheric CO2 is increasing at *less than* the rates at which it is emitted by humans - logically if we stopped emitting fossil CO2 we could reasonably expect atmospheric CO2 levels to begin dropping.

    As for alternate CO2 sources, that is true, however there are two distinct carbon cycles to consider. There's the short-term ecological carbon cycle that involves plants, animals, oceans, and the atmosphere. It shifts carbon around into some sort of equillibrium, but can fluctuate quite a bit - and our emissions are admittedly tiny on that scale, only a few percent of the total carbon being moved around. But the carbon we're emitting wasn't part of that cycle! It was part of the geologic carbon cycle, a MUCH slower cycle by which carbon is trapped as rocks at a fairly constant (and very sow) rate, and released by weathering - and we are responsible for releasing geological carbon into the ecological cycle MUCH faster than naturally occurs. Weathering, global volcanic activity, etc - it all pales to nothing compared to us. And the result is that we're "filling up" the ecological carbon cycle - there's no mechanism to significantly increase the rate at which carbon is stored in rock, so instead it builds up as CO2 in the oceans and atmosphere. It could theoretically also be stored as biomass, but available evidence suggests that global biomass is actually shrinking rather than growing, so that's no help.

    As for your heating and whether claims, I'm sorry to say they are simply false. There's plenty of specific regions that aren't experiencing warming, but that is to be e

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  41. Re:National Geographic magazine lost all credibili by lorenlal · · Score: 1

    Just to be clear on this one, the channel was a partnership with Fox, and has been since inception. The change here is with the magazine.

  42. Re:National Geographic magazine lost all credibili by pipingguy · · Score: 1

    Great post.

  43. Re:National Geographic magazine lost all credibili by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

    No, they're long out of the "real" documentary business.

  44. Re:Rupert Murdoch by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    So apparently that quote is a really bad translation from German. Just ran it through Google Translate and it gave a better tranlation, but the actual gist is that climate policy is not the end all and be all of environmental policy. which is to say that the climate is just one aspect of a much larger environmental policy.

  45. Re:Rupert Murdoch by lgw · · Score: 2

    Perhaps it's worth pointing out that when Murdoch bought the Wall Street Journal, he dragged it far back towards the center from the extreme right-wing rag it had become at the time. He's good at assessing what political slant for a given property will sell the most, and so I really doubt he'll change the left-wing slant of NatGeo very much.

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  50. Re:Science is so closed minded by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    It's off-topic, but This is the guy you want to look at, he's a top climate scientist (lead author of the IPCC report) and maybe knows more about clouds than anyone alive.

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  51. Re:Points of discussion-things are not bleak by Chrontius · · Score: 2

    You neatly ignore my point: measured atmospheric CO2 is increasing at *less than* the rates at which it is emitted by humans - logically if we stopped emitting fossil CO2 we could reasonably expect atmospheric CO2 levels to begin dropping.

    Carbonic acid is dissolved CO2. That the ocean is acidifying is well known, and should nicely account for the discrepancy.

  52. I wrote the new manager a letter this morning... by JRHodel · · Score: 1

    I told him that they had executed their organization's credibility, and that no one with academic credentials would work for them once the meaning of this management decision soaks into everyone's mind.

    Also that they were dead to me forever.

    It was longer than what I have quoted, but I went to physical therapy after sending it and now all I remember is the stretching of my shoulder.

    I can't believe that the place where I learned what anthropology and wildlife biology and archaeology and photography were all about is now a political propaganda arm of a political party that expressly does not believe in science and the scientific method. That was also in my letter.

    I put in that if he was lucky he would have to report to Megan Kelly, but I took that out, she isn't management track with Rupert.

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  53. Poor Murdoch by Seatche · · Score: 1

    Poor Murdoch. Everything worth publishing that he touches turns to useless gold. So much for National Geographic. If he let's the publication still give in-depth coverage, he wins. If he does not, his gold will turn to stone. Wait for the press release. His Sunday papers aren't bought by anyone who's worth a shit. Is that his goal with National Geographic? We'll see it in NAT GEO's context. Real or Dung, and who has won?

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  54. Re:National Geographic magazine lost all credibili by Spinalcold · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's no surprise to me that same demographic worships at the faux science altars of Mythbusters, Alton Brown, Bill Nye, and Niel DeGrasse Tyson - they want science, but only if it's tarted up, made entertaining, and reduced to sound bites they can pass around like cargo cultists.

    I hate this being paroted around like it makes any point at all. It doesn't. You know who like to read science articles? Scientists. And just because a scientist knows physics does not mean they can understand all the jargon of biology, it NEEDS to be explained in a way that by-passes that specialized knowledge. And guess what? Some of us LIKE well written/explained concepts of complex topics, which is something most scientists lack the ability to do well. Most scientists don't take any writing classes and it shows, so if a well written article takes their ideas and explains it better than they can, I will prefer to read that, especially if it's in a field that I don't know well. Saying you don't like NDT or Bill Nye does NOT make you special, it makes you an elitist who doesn't understand that communication skills are an important part of the scientific process. Science does NOT exist in a vacuum, it is entwined in everything; politics, daily life, love, etc. Communicating that part of the world is important, and frankly we need more people that can explain scientific ideas to everyone--yes, other scientists as well--to make a better world.

    Sorry if that was not your intended point, but I hear this thing constantly and it really gets under my skin. I study physics but my understanding of biology is, frankly, atrocious; so I rely upon communicators to get a basic understanding of DNA processes. Shows like Quirks and Quarks make up a lot of my understanding of the current work in a lot of fields, hell, even a lot of the complexities of physics I need describes in a way that most scientists can't do.

    end rant.

  55. Re: Rupert Murdoch by silentcoder · · Score: 2

    Sound science is a "left wing slant" now ? Actually I wish I was surprized.

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  56. Re:Rupert Murdoch by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    Yeah, well Nat. Geo. TV is no gem.

    It's not as bad as "History Channel".

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  57. Re:Rupert Murdoch by Mike+Frett · · Score: 1

    Hogwash, Jesus was born long after the Dinosaurs so how could he have been there? More importantly, who was there to capture that moment in a painting? /s

  58. Re: Rupert Murdoch by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 1

    You stole my line!

    And since reality has such as liberal bias, conservatives have been forced to create their own version of Wikipedia

  59. Re: Rupert Murdoch by KatchooNJ · · Score: 1

    Uhh, if you read TFS, you'd see Murdoch basically helped *create* Nat Geo TV.

    So, yeah, we know it's bad. The concern here is now he's going to mess up all their other properties too.

    Bingo! If those TV shows are anything to go by, the magazine is doomed.

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  60. Re:Rupert Murdoch by KatchooNJ · · Score: 1

    Yeah, well Nat. Geo. TV is no gem.

    It's not as bad as "History Channel".

    Ah... another channel I lament the loss of. It used to be a great channel to watch. Those were the days... Boy, the way Glenn Miller played...

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  61. Re: Rupert Murdoch by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

    After seeing what Harper has done to science in Canada, I have no choice but to agree.

  62. Re:Points of discussion-things are not bleak by Immerman · · Score: 1

    Quite, CO2 levels are increasing in both the ocean and atmosphere, but that's not my point. My point is that the levels are increasing at roughly the same rate as we are converting geologic carbon reserves into CO2. Thus making a claim that we are not responsible is disingenuous.

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  63. Re:Science is so closed minded by Immerman · · Score: 1

    That's the same guy as referenced in the first post that I replied to. As far as clouds specifically are concerned, they are admittedly a complicated system, but much study has been done since that talk, and the real-world measurements suggest that they will contribute to a net increase in warming, though possibly only a small one.

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  64. Re:Science is so closed minded by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    That's the same guy as referenced in the first post that I replied to.

    Sure. Apparently the cognitive dissonance is too much for you, because your responses show no sign of having understood Lindzen's points. What a pity.

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  65. Re:National Geographic magazine lost all credibili by ryllharu · · Score: 1

    I'm going respectfully disagree here.

    There has been a very noticeable change in the format, presentation, and content of the magazine.

    Issues the last two years have been shorter, with one long article filling up half the magazine, and supplemented by several short articles that are often mostly pictures. The "Food" and "7 Billion" longform themes were interesting...but the biggest change to National Geographic Magazine lately has been the lack of diversity in their content.

    For better or for worse, the staff have decided that every article has to be linked to climate change somehow, often in the final paragraph of an article that otherwise has no relation to the topic. I certainly don't mind articles about the history of some truly stunning national parks in Canada and how they will be impacted over the next fifty years, but I have to admit that I kind of struggle to see the relevance of connecting the history and study of Trajan's Column to climate change.

    Another huge loss for the magazine was removing letters to the magazine. It went from the full spectrum, to only complimentary letters, to only some sparse infographics, to nothing at all.

  66. Re: Rupert Murdoch by lgw · · Score: 1

    It might surprise you, but NatGeo is not The Journal of Climate Change. It's not their focus. Pretty much every NatGeo story ever about wildlife has ended by talking about what man is doing to kill all these cute animals, and I seriously doubt that will change (climate change is just the reason currently fashionable, but that's hardly the important bit).

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  67. Re:Excellent by tmjva · · Score: 1

    I actually did "not renew" last month, (and the month before that, the renewal letters didn't stop).

    Climate change coverage was only one aspect of my motivation. It is the simple lack of "geography" in the magazine. They don't do geography anymore. Rather it became the "Social Cause of the Month Club" magazine.

    By the way, my degree is a B.A. in Geography. I may say something in the "Do Tech Firms Really Want Liiberal Arts Majors" article this same day. (May not apply in New York where Geography is a science.)

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  68. Re: Rupert Murdoch by silentcoder · · Score: 1

    Nobody said it was. But the science in natgeo has always been rock solid. Which is bloody rare for a non journal publication. And so wheln climate science was the topic it was science they published not politically motivated wishful thinking.
    As it happens the natgeo edition with the greatest climate focus back in 2007 never mentioned wildlife once. Instead it had articles on decades old ski resorts that were closing because of glacier melt.

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  69. Re: Rupert Murdoch by lgw · · Score: 1

    he science in natgeo has always been rock solid.

    Meh, it's good by the standards of science journalism, but that's a pretty low bar.

    As it happens the natgeo edition with the greatest climate focus back in 2007 never mentioned wildlife once

    Right, so my point was: that's rare, while talking about shrinking habitats and extinction risk is almost-every-issue common. I'd be surprised if there was a noticeable change in that content, as all that would do is reduce sales. I wouldn't be surprised, however, if we start seeing more of what drew in subscribers back in the day: attractive topless women (Murdock's other specialty).

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  70. Re:Science is so closed minded by Immerman · · Score: 1

    Yes, because I'm sure you have a carpenter work on your teeth. Sure, he as no idea what he's doing, and doesn't even have the right tools for the job, but at least he's not part of the global dentist conspiracy.

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  71. Kiss National Geo Goodbye. This should be illegal by Shempster · · Score: 1

    Kiss it goodbye - as a source for scientific reality. USA is effectively an oligarchy - with rich science-denying aholes that deny because its good for them personally & could not care less about the little people, in fact, despise their very existence. Sociopathic ahole solution to imminent water resource wars? Just let em all die. So what to do, O helpless masses? Just pretend this planet is only temporary cuz heaven is the real prize? Poor earth and its biosphere's inhabitants. These rich oligarch aholes i.e. Rupert Murdoch, have been winning their damn battles against sanity far too long. The goal is obvious. Keep the young & old fools dumb and clueless - they'll be less trouble that way i.e. entire Fox News demographic.

  72. Re:Rupert Murdoch by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    Really makes me miss the Hitler Channel.

  73. Re:Rupert Murdoch by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    Nat Geo is listed at "slipped" on TV Tropes's excellent Network Decay page. "The channel still shows programming related to its original concept, although it is significantly showing programming not related to their genre in some way."

    "The National Geographic Society's website features the slogan "Inspiring People to Care About the Planet"; how exactly they're accomplishing this with The Dog Whisperer, Locked Up Abroad, Is It Real? and shows about bounty hunters is left as an exercise for the viewer. It doesn't help that Locked Up Abroad is a case of both tourists doing things that border on moronic (hence why the end up as in the title) and portraying countries that aren't Anglo-American as virtual hellholes."