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US Rank Drops To 55th In 4G LTE Speeds

alphadogg writes: The U.S. has fallen to No. 55 in LTE performance as speeds rise rapidly in countries that have leapfrogged some early adopters of the popular cellular system. The average download speed on U.S. 4G networks inched up to 10Mbps (bits per second) in the June-August quarter, according to research company OpenSignal. That was an improvement from 9Mbps in the previous quarter, but the country's global ranking fell from 43rd as users in other countries enjoyed much larger gains.

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  1. USA! USA! by PvtVoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    In your face, Indonesia!

    1. Re:USA! USA! by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Am I the only person that's baud of this

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  2. i can't LTE by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    55!

    1. Re:i can't LTE by TWX · · Score: 2

      Sorry, I tried to watch that music video but it kept pausing to buffer... Maybe I'll try again when I'm at home on the WIFI...

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    2. Re:i can't LTE by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      If you change the units to centimeters/hour, it's all good.
      It's all about "learned helplessness" these days.

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    3. Re:i can't LTE by TWX · · Score: 1

      "I can't drive 8851392" doesn't have the same ring to it...

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    4. Re:i can't LTE by halfEvilTech · · Score: 1

      we may be 55th in speed but due to hard work our carriers are #1 in Prices charged (in their favor)

    5. Re:i can't LTE by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      It's all about that base, 'bout that base. No mantissa.

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    6. Re:i can't LTE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all about that base, 'bout that base. No mantissa.

      Careful. Your generation gap is showing.

  3. On the other hand... by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    USA is near the top in LTE penetration. It's easy to have high speeds when you've got the tower to yourself...

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    1. Re:On the other hand... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Funny

      USA is near the top in LTE penetration

      So, everybody is getting screwed by the carriers then?

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    2. Re:On the other hand... by danbob999 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      pretty sure LTE penetration is high in South Korea and they still have high speed.

    3. Re:On the other hand... by danbob999 · · Score: 2

      The US is #10 for coverage:

      Subscribers in the U.S. are on LTE 78 percent of the time, on average, making the country No. 10 for what OpenSignal calls "time coverage."

    4. Re:On the other hand... by TWX · · Score: 1

      Just trying to parse this...

      Are you saying that because there are several competing cell carriers that either share physical tower space or have to worry about spectrum and radiation patterns, that it makes it harder to get high speed connectivity because of congested airwaves?

      Last time I checked the various companies didn't use each others' spectrum except under-license.

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    5. Re:On the other hand... by pushing-robot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are several potential reasons for high average speeds, including:

      * The country has built an excellent LTE network.

      * The network is underutilized because LTE phones or plans are expensive or not yet widely adopted.

      * The network has limited coverage; a country with fast LTE in cities and 2G in sparser districts will counterintuitively have a higher average LTE speed than another country with fast LTE in cities and slower LTE in the back country.

      * The country is as a whole densely populated with few rural areas pulling down the average speed.

      In short, 'average LTE speed' is a rather useless datum without the necessary context.

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    6. Re: On the other hand... by adolf · · Score: 1

      Indeed. And when LTE was still in its infancy here in the States, I regularly saw 25Mbps on Verizon.

    7. Re:On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      South Korea can be covered by a tiny amount of towers compared to an average US state let alone all 50.

    8. Re:On the other hand... by tsotha · · Score: 1

      As long as you live in Seoul, sure.

    9. Re:On the other hand... by default+luser · · Score: 1

      Right, what's the big deal here? With 10Mbps average, you can more than saturate a crappy mobile CPU chugging while loading a modern javascript webpage. You won't get any faster load times than on Wifi!

      I know that I can't tell the difference between 10 and 100 Mbps for basic web browsing, or watching video. So long as you typically get 10 Mbps, is being "slower than other countries" all that bad?

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    10. Re:On the other hand... by gmack · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or in most of the other cities, or along the highways between the cities. South Korea's coverage seems to be rather good actually

    11. Re:On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Why don't you tell us how you really feel? Stop holding back so much. Out with it!

      Or, you can just fuck off and pester some other site instead of this one.

      Twit.

    12. Re:On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grow up.

    13. Re:On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please don't feed the trolls.

    14. Re:On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's only a competition in your head. Try not too whine too much, because there are a bazillion things you never have, do not, and will not "win" at.

    15. Re:On the other hand... by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      Isn't 10 Mbps an average? That also means that sometimes you get much less.
      Also, for tethering more than 10 Mbps can be useful.

    16. Re: On the other hand... by Chewbacon · · Score: 1

      Hell yeah. Other countries are just the tip with LTE. USA! USA! USA!

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  4. Turrible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now those other 54 countries will be able to upload their selfies to Facebook faster than me! 10Mbps isn't enough!

  5. maybe he should take it AAMCO by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    I don't get it, why is gramps boasting about not being able to drive 15 miles below the speed limit? Boomers are dumbf.

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  6. Sure 55 *sounds* bad... by The-Ixian · · Score: 3, Funny

    But, hey, we are still in the top 1/3 out of ALL countries in the world...

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  7. Size Matters by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

    I keep saying this, but a small European Country having really good stats, isn't the same as the USA having mediocre stats. Have you seen the size of the US vs Europe?

    https://becovegan.files.wordpr...

    However, since I don't have a list of countries that beat the US, my assumption is that at least some of them are european.

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    1. Re:Size Matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Excuses and whining are for third world shit-holes that can't make the top 50.

    2. Re:Size Matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I keep saying this, but a small European Country having really good stats, isn't the same as the USA having mediocre stats. Have you seen the size of the US vs Europe?

      https://becovegan.files.wordpr...

      However, since I don't have a list of countries that beat the US, my assumption is that at least some of them are european.

      Was going to say this as well. Applies to just about anything. Look socialism/gun control/etc. works so well among these 100 people that all look and act the same, why can't it work in American?

    3. Re:Size Matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Graphs/Data
      http://opensignal.com/reports/2015/09/state-of-lte-q3-2015/

    4. Re:Size Matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well US beats Brazil in coverage, but Brazil beats US in speed.

      The countries have almost the same size:
      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/28a5a8a571351b1f5718ddf88abea054.png

      And Brazil have the Amazon Forest, that must be somewhat harder to cover.

    5. Re:Size Matters by Teun · · Score: 2

      It's got nothing to do with the size of a country.
      It does have everything to do with the population density and the populated parts (especially the coasts) of the US are no different to certain EU countries.
      The US does have vast areas that are sparsely populated were coverage is going to be expensive, such areas are less prevalent in western Europe.
      I am not sure how they calculated but am fairly sure that availability is going to add up more in the denser populated areas.

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    6. Re:Size Matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there is no correlation between the speed of the connection and the size of the country

    7. Re:Size Matters by avandesande · · Score: 1

        300,000 cell sites in USA and about 75,000 in Brazil, so penetration is not comparable.

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    8. Re:Size Matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Size Matters?...! That must be why Canada is ranked more than 30 spots higher

      Because we're so small and have such high population density

    9. Re: Size Matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well Australia is 10th for speed and 14th for coverage (74% compared to USA's 78).

    10. Re:Size Matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Size Matters?...! That must be why Canada is ranked more than 30 spots higher

      Because we're so small and have such high population density

      Over 90% of Canada's population lives within 100 miles of the US border. Large country, but all of the people living in a small percentage of the country. That's pretty easy to cover.

    11. Re:Size Matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it really matter? If you have more people using a system, don't you have more money getting in an thus more resources to get more equipment installed?

      What should matter is the $/user and in that the US is definitely better...

    12. Re:Size Matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Canada's coverage is only 8% lower than the US meanwhile as another poster mentioned Australia is 10th for speed and 14th coverage.

      My guess is that lack of infrastructure development is what is really causing the US to fall behind

    13. Re:Size Matters by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      That would be applicable if carriers tried to cover an entire country with a single tower. Nope, they do what they do everywere in the world. More towers in more populated places, fewer in less populate areas. The total density of the USA isn't that low, and most of the people and coverage is concentrated in cities, just like the rest of the world.

      There is no "size" issue.

    14. Re:Size Matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nice job leaving HALF of Norway and Sweden out, and whole Finland out! (which is size of the whole damn east coast!!)... btw, Finland has 98% 3G coverage (and is most loosely populated country in EU) and 4G catching up with that pretty fast....

    15. Re:Size Matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh really ?

      Australia is number 10.

      http://www.anbg.gov.au/maps/aust-usa-map.jpg

      You were saying ??

      If anything it'd be EASIER to get all over the USA as there's no real desert to speak of in the middle.

    16. Re:Size Matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also left whole East Europe off the map. Even 1/3 of the EU member states :D

    17. Re:Size Matters by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You keep making this mistake. That is not Europe overlaid on the map, but parts of the EU. I know, I know - anything to stop the hurt of admitting the US isn't the best at everything. Oh noes!

    18. Re:Size Matters by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Have you seen the size of the US vs approximately 1/3 of Europe?

      TFTFY.

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    19. Re:Size Matters by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Look socialism/gun control/etc. works so well among these 100 people that all look and act the same, why can't it work in American?

      San Marino and Liechtenstein are not typical European nations.

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    20. Re:Size Matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such a butt-hurt American, having to down-play everything you don't "win" at. Realize you're nowhere near being the best at everything, and never will be, and start sucking it up.

  8. Cost to invest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure the cost to invest in other countries is much lower, in the US it is practically impossible to honestly backhaul fiber to tower sites and install the equipment.

    #1 the land is too expensive, and leasing tower sites which already exist are far out of budget for anyone to start.

    #2 the right of ways that are supposed to exist do not, this prevents you from running your own cables. there is always talk of dark fiber but I can't find anywhere to buy a single mode fiber line from point a to point b and a few hundred miles costs thousands a month for a 100mbps connection.

    #3 there are no sources of clear and honest funding available to those wishing to do something, a marketing plan is more important than proof you can do the work.

    #4 it is difficult to find english vendors of 4g equipment because there are huge conglomerates as the only purchasers in the states.

    #5 you can't honestly run new fiber lines to public exchange centers anymore, and the cost from those there is tremendous.

    All in all there are a couple huge behemoths, and if you don't work for them then you're fucked. It's funny that ATT built unix which is supposed to be modular and interworking, then structured their business as a monolith.

    They are totally willing to let you start your own thing and steal all of your ideas though, I guess then you are supposed to "get it back" later or something?

  9. shameful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For coverage we are actually doing pretty well.

    For speed it's just miserable.

    Combine the two, the obvious answer is poor investment by the carriers. They have plenty of towers, they're putting crappy sub-par equipment on them.

  10. Speed vs Availibility. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the US has a high penetration, but medium speeds. Average speed doesn't include zero availability.

    Frankly I'd rather have 10 MB/S in 80% of the country than 0 MB/S in 50% of the country, and 17 MB/S in another 50% of the country. This is exactly the case for Italy. Averaging them doesn't account for going to 3g speeds or worse, which sucks.

    1. Re: Speed vs Availibility. by Kumiorava · · Score: 1

      For most part 3g speeds in Finland are faster than the average 4g speed in US...

  11. Typo by bigfinger76 · · Score: 1

    10Mbps = megabits per second, NOT bits per second.

    1. Re:Typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Judging from my phone's browsing speed... I'd say bits per second is about right. I might be able to type 1's and 0's faster.

  12. It only takes something trivial as this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to make the butt-hurt Americans with the large, sensitive egos, to come out. We can't have any post like this here, without you crawling out. It must be difficult to always feel you have to be the best at everything, and everytime it's clear that you're far from, you have to play things down.

  13. How was the survey conducted? by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

    Here in Canada, I am getting 27.7 Mbps down and 22 Mbps UP on Rogers on LTE and then there are areas of the city with LTE-Advanced.

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    1. Re:How was the survey conducted? by Harlequin80 · · Score: 2

      I live in a semi-rural area outside of Brisbane and just pulled 26.87 Mbps down 21.89 Mbps on Testra according to ookla Speedtest. At the same time my ADSL is synced at 22.696 down .940 up. I'm lucky though as the digital rim is literally at the end of my driveway.

    2. Re:How was the survey conducted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duse...where are you ?

      I'm out near Moggill and the dsl is terrible......

    3. Re:How was the survey conducted? by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Samford Valley. I am one of the lucky ones here as lots of people are on wireless or have 11km cable runs. I just happen to have a digital rim at the end of my driveway so I'm on 140m cable length.

  14. I tried to get no #55 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    USA USA No #1 ! - first post brought to you by american Lte.

  15. 10..9 mbs. how about ZERO mbs by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2

    In the dallas fort worth airport hyatt many brands of phones get no reception at all. it's a joke.

    It's annoying to go from the "modern world" back to the 1980s when you travel about 10 miles.

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  16. Rank is meaningless by Solandri · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If #1-54 have average LTE speeds of 11 Mbps, then 10 Mbps is not that bad.
    If #1-54 have average LTE speeds of 90 Mbps, then 10 Mbps sucks.

    Rank on an arbitrary list is meaningless. If you want to compare against a distribution, compare to the distribution itself. Not some arbitrary index. The distribution is linked in TFA and is vastly more informative than TFA or TFS. In fact it's one of the best interactive data presentations I've ever seen. It should've been linked as TFA, not some article talking about it.

    Most of the countries are clustered between 8-18 Mbps. #43 (the previous U.S. rank) is 13 Mbps. If the U.S. were to increase its LTE speed by 50% to 15 Mbps it would jump to #28. And if it were to double its speed to 20 Mbps, it would jump to #12.

  17. There is no 4G LTE in the United States by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no 4G anything in the United States. No LTE deployments in the US meet the definition of 4G as accepted by ITU.

  18. You keep "eating your words" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's "eating your words" taste like? Change your diet: Eating your words != Good Nutrition http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...