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Europe Agrees To Agree With Everyone Except US What 5G Should Be
itwbennett writes: Following agreements signed by the EU with South Korea in June 2014 and with Japan in May 2015, the EU and China "have agreed to agree by the end of the year on a working definition for 5G," reports Peter Sayer. "About the only point of agreement so far is that 5G is what we'll all be building or buying after 4G, so any consensus between the EU and China could be significant," says Sayer.
The United States will accept the standard when the rest of the world ditches that stupid metric system and go back to real units.
The US will build their OWN 5G network. With Blackjack. And hookers.
In fact, forget compatibility.
The US will adopt a closed standard, with royalties, that will work only in the US. That'll keep the eurotrash out.
Buzzword.
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
WTF does that headline even mean???!
Since there are not even any actual 4G deployments in the United States yet, it will be a while before 5G even matters, if it ever does.
Yay Capitalism! Yesteryear's technology at outrageous prices.
Don't read the linked article, it says nothing. More specifically, it has the same headline, contradicts its own headline halfway through, and still tries to claim some moral failure of the USA as part of this somehow.
Much better off to just go with the normal uninformed reactions of Slashdotters than to try to find any meaning to this.
> "About the only point of agreement so far is that 5G is what we'll all be building or buying after 4G..."
I was going to comment on how obvious and unnecessary the "5G comes after 4G" thing is, but then I remembered Windows 9 and and OS-X "saber-tooth tiger" and realized that with technology, the succession isn't necessarily that obvious.
Finally! Someone is stepping up to challenge the US telcos! It's about damn time, too!
Because most of us in the USA are pretty much retarded.
Standards? screw that, we need to make sure XXX or YYY get's the most profit.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
what do the Euros think it is?
4G cores will be upgraded to server 5G radio networks.
The nice thing about the 3GPP spec is that Packet Cores are an evolution from 3G to 4G and most likely to 5G.
The US will follow the ITU and 3GPP spec because that is what the device manufacturers will be following for the new handsets. Any other prediction is just there for click bait.
Increased speed is pointless if they keep choking it with ridiculously low caps. "Oh, wow. I can hit my monthly cap in 19.3 seconds."
In other words, two government bodies which have nothing to do with the actual 5G standard have agreed to agree what 5G is (that is, they won't support different standards). The actual standard itself hasn't been set, and the two bodies which actually do make the standard don't plan to set it until 2020.
Was the whole point of this submission to take a shot at the U.S.? Need I remind you that had the U.S. signed up for the GSM standard, CDMA would've been stillborn and we would likely have 50-200 kbps data speeds today. GSM used TDMA, which allocates bandwidth to phones which aren't even using it. CDMA allows all phones to transmit simultaneously, and bandwidth gets distributed evenly between all transmitting phones. CDMA worked so well that by the time 3G rolled around, GSM adopted CDMA (it now uses TDMA only for voice) and nearly every GSM phone in the world also packed a wideband CDMA radio for data. That's right, CDMA won the GSM vs CDMA war. That's why you could talk and use data at the same time on a GMS phone - they had a TDMA radio for voice, a wCDMA radio for data. CDMA phones used the same radio for both, just in different modes.
(And if you're curious, most LTE implementations use OFDMA. Mathematically it's a lot like CDMA, except using orthogonal frequencies instead of orthogonal codes. The orthogonality is what allows you to pick out a specific phone's signal even though all phones are transmitting simultaneously. The transmissions from other phones just increases the noise floor, so a phone that's not transmitting decreases the noise floor, everyone else's signal to noise ratio improves, and the bandwidth the non-transmitting phone would've used is distributed equally among the phones which are transmitting. TDMA is just giving each phone a timeslice, so only one phone can transmit at a time - or not transmit if it didn't actually need the timeslice.)
Would you rather buy a G5 phone Made in the USA(TM) or Made in China? I wonder how long it takes to destroy one's reputation.
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
Carriers: The numbers all go to 5G. Look, right across the board, 5G, 5G, 5G and...
Customers: Oh, I see. And most networks go up to 4G?
Carriers: Exactly.
Customers: Does that mean it's faster? Is it any faster?
Carriers: Well, it's one faster, isn't it? It's not 4G. You see, most blokes, you know, will be surfing at 4G. You're on 4G here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on 4G on your phone. Where can you go from there? Where?
Customers: I don't know.
Carriers: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Customers: Put it up to 5G.
Carriers: 5G. Exactly. One faster.
Customers: Why don't you just make 4G faster and make 4G be the top number and make that a little faster?
Carriers: [pause] These go to 5G.
its painful to watch them try to work things out in pounds, ounces and feet.
Well, you are irrelevant. No I do not mean the USA, I mean you. And actually, the guy who sabotaged EU US relationships the most is W. Bush. However, pushing for treaties like TTIP and TiSA is Obamas fault. Stop that shit.
Wouldn't it be simpler and less confusing if you just reported the truth in simple terms: The U.S. telecom industry has decided to continue to screw up standards and make sure that their next generation equipment does not work with the rest of the world and likely not work with each other. Sprint has picked three different incompatible standards and will deploy all three and challenges its customers to guess which will still be supported the following year (while locking them into two year contracts but .phasing out their supported type of supposed 5G in much less time in their area). Prices will go up.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
She'll be happy to know that her cell plan is much cheaper than she thinks it is, because some random dude on the Internet is convinced US cell plans have to be more expensive.
I'm going to guess you have no fucking idea what you are talking about, and are just hating on the Us because that's trendy to do. My cell plan is 50 USD/month. For that I get unlimited calls to and from any number in the US, Canada, and Mexico, landline or cellphone. I get unlimited text to and from any cellphone in about 140 countries (including Europe). I get 1GB of data at 4G speeds (meaning about 30-40mbit/sec where I live) and then 2G speeds after that (meaning about 100k/sec) unless I choose to buy more.
When traveling internationally I can continue to use my text and data just like in the US, no extra charge. Voice calls are $.20/minute when roaming, though as mentioned not in Canada or Mexico.
My sister couldn't believe it. She lives in the UK and we were discussing my trip to visit and she was mentioning getting a prepaid SIM, which I told her I don't need. I told her my plan and she was stunned.
This isn't some super-secret service or anything, it is just T-Mobile's normal post-paid plan. They are happy to sell it to anyone and advertise it heavily.
So how's your plan compare? Also please remember when talking about roaming and long distance that the US is almost certainly a bit larger than your country. Roaming and calls in all 50 US states would more be the equivalent of roaming and calls in all of Europe, than all of one European country.
just nuke the fucking usa already
Obama, Osama, whatever. Same shit, different pile.
If they don't agree with us, they must be wrong!
I have a 7G mobile hanging in my window. That is seven G's! Two more than this 5G and at least THREE MORE than what most people have.
I added a small bell to balance them to eight items. I had used a pre-made mobile ring with eight holes around the circumference and was too lazy to measure and drill seven new ones for the strings. But when the window is open, and the wind catches the G's in the mobile, the bell hanging from the ring rings.
People have asked me if I could also talk into it: of course I can, but I don't see the point.
"We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
See subject & "read em' & weep" Dave420 http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
* "EATING YOUR WORDS" != GOOD NUTRITION fool!
APK
P.S.=> How'd they taste, Dave420? Flavored with the "bitter taste of SELF-defeat", & washed down with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH ramming them down?? LMAO @ U, fool... apk