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The Decline of 'Big Soda': Is Drinking Soda the New Smoking?

HughPickens.com writes: Margot Sanger-Katz reports in the NYT that soda consumption is experiencing a serious and sustained decline as sales of full-calorie soda in the United States have plummeted by more than 25 percent over the past twenty years. Nearly two-thirds of Americans say they are actively trying to avoid the drinks that have been a mainstay of American culture but bottled water is now on track to overtake soda as the largest beverage category in two years. The changing patterns of soda drinking appear to come thanks, in part, to a loud campaign to eradicate sodas. School cafeterias and vending machines no longer contain regular sodas. Many workplaces and government offices have similarly prohibited their sale.

For many public health advocates, soda has become the new tobacco — a toxic product to be banned, taxed and stigmatized. "There will always be soda, but I think the era of it being acceptable for kids to drink soda all day long is passing, slowly," says Marion Nestle. "In some socioeconomic groups, it's over." Soda represents nearly 25% of the U.S. beverage market and its massive scale have guaranteed profit margins for decades. Historically, beverage preferences are set in adolescence, the first time that most people begin choosing and buying a favorite brand. But the declines in soda drinking appear to be sharpest among young Americans. "Kids these days are growing up with all of these other options, and there are some parents who say, 'I really want my kids to drink juice or a bottled water,' " says Gary A. Hemphill. "If kids grow up without carbonated soft drinks, the likelihood that they are going to grow up and, when they are 35, start drinking is very low."

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  1. GOOD GRIEF! by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Informative

    bottled water is now on track to overtake soda as the largest beverage category in two years.

    Everyone should note that for the most part bottled water is just "tap water" that has been filtered. At $1 plus a bottle (plus the almost always not recycled plastic bottle), why don't people just get a Britta filter for home or office? Filtered tap water is now more expensive than soda!

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    1. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by ZorinLynx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not to mention it's bottled by the same companies like Pepsico and Coke that make soda. So if people keep drinking water these companies have nothing to worry about.

      We should make them worry and stop buying bottled water. Not only are you flushing your money down the toilet, but getting all those empty bottles out of our waste stream would be a great benefit for all of us.

    2. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Along with that, I think somebody should point out that fuit juice is almost as bad as soda. Sure it contains a small dose of nourishment absent from soda, but the amount of sugar in it just isn't worth it and can contribute to obesidy, fatty liver, cholesterol, and other problems just as bad as soda does.

    3. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by rasmusbr · · Score: 2

      It's often filtered, carbonated and flavored with various fruit flavors, which by the way usually contain small amounts of sugar - something to be aware of if you're on a strict diet. The only thing it's missing is caffeine. I'm sure they'll get around to that if there is sufficient demand for it.

      I quit my Coca Cola habit about 12 years ago and haven't looked back.

    4. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Informative

      Along with that, I think somebody should point out that fuit juice is almost as bad as soda. Sure it contains a small dose of nourishment absent from soda, but the amount of sugar in it just isn't worth it and can contribute to obesidy, fatty liver, cholesterol, and other problems just as bad as soda does.

      This is a critical part of the discussion too. Just because it says "100% juice" doesn't mean it's very good for you. A lot of "100% juice" involves blends of the sweetest possible fruit juices with the highest sugar content. (This is often most true of juices that have been highly advertised for some sort of "antioxidant" properties or whatever -- that cranberry or pomegranate "100% juice" drink is probably mostly a bunch of super-sweet grape or apple juice or whatever with a sprinkling of the juice that's too sour for most people to find palatable.)

      If you want to eat fruit, well -- eat fruit. The fiber is generally good for digestion and for regulating metabolic pathways, rather than just getting a glass full of colored sugar water with a couple vitamins in it. Also -- guess what? If you drink less sweet drinks (including fruit juice), you'll often crave less sweet drinks in the future... which probably means you'll consume fewer nearly-empty calories in drinks.

    5. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by Rei · · Score: 4, Funny

      I like my fruit juice pulpy. With enough pulp that you can hold it in your hand without your hand getting damp, and consume it by taking bites out of it.

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    6. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's also possible to read the ingredients list and make your decision that way. You don't have to do it every time, just identify the brands that say things like "no added sugar"...

      Actually NO -- that no longer works. Companies who try to sell you "healthy" foods want to lie to you.

      There are all sorts of things that are basically pure sugar that many companies are trying to add into products with "no added sugar."

      One of my favorite examples is Chobani's "natural" greek yogurt, with "no added sugar," but which contains large amounts of "evaporated cane juice" (which is... well, a very slightly different processing method to make SUGAR). There have been class action lawsuits over this, but judges have thrown them out.

      I mean, it's "juice," so "evaporated cane juice" must be good for you, right? Also on the list of fun ways for companies to say "sugar" in another way on "natural, no sugar added" foods -- "brown rice syrup" or "honey" or "agave nectar." Wow, it's made with "brown rice" -- must be good for me! "Nectar" -- wow, that's like a good fruit juice, no?

      No matter that these things are basically 97%+ sugar and the only reason they are added to anything is as a substitute for sugar so that businesses can claim "no sugar added" on their labels and sound "healthier."

      Just to be clear -- most flavors of Chobani yogurt contains more sugar per ounce than Coca Cola. That's what a "no sugar added" label gets you these days.

    7. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 4, Informative

      Everyone should note that for the most part bottled water is just "tap water" that has been filtered. At $1 plus a bottle (plus the almost always not recycled plastic bottle), why don't people just get a Britta filter for home or office? Filtered tap water is now more expensive than soda!

      I'm happy to see you have a slightly better understanding than most of the people I hear complaining about this. I couldn't tell you how many times I've heard that brands like Dasani, Aquafinia, and Smartwater are "just tap water". That's akin to someone saying, "why are you putting gasoline in your car when you can buy a barrel of crude oil for so much less?".

      Now that being said, a Brita filter is simply carbon filtration. The brands I mentioned, and many others, are filtered through multistage reverse osmosis units. Typically they start with a 10 micron fiber filter. Then a 5 micron carbon filter, which is probably about what a Britta filter is. The next stage is a 1 micron carbon filter, then through the RO membrane. And usually a final carbon filter. A really effective system with decent source water can get the total dissolved solids (TDS) down to 1 to 10 PPM. The feed water on my system at home is between 400 and 500 ppm, depending on the time of year. Usually the post RO water is in the 5 to 10 ppm range. I run that through a two stage dionization filter that takes it down to a TDS of 0 ppm. I used to keep saltwater invertebrates, so I needed a good filter to mix with salt. Since my tap water was so poor, I started drinking the filtered water and find most water with a TDS above 100 ppm to be pretty nasty tasting. Most of the filtered brands mix in some minerals and usually the TDS is in the 25 ppm range. I'll buy RO filtered water when I'm away from home, but use filtered water for the most part.

      I'm not sure what the cost difference is for bottled water, but the fiber and three carbon filters on my system need to be changed every 6 to 12 months and the RO membrane every 4 to 5 years. The filters are $25 for all of them and a the RO membrane is $45. I used to recharge the DI resins, but they're $40 for five lbs. So I don't have to play with muriatic acid and lye any longer. There's also the cost of waste water. In the winter months, when the feed water is cold, the RO membrane rejects about 2 gallons of water for every gallon that passes through. When the feed water is warmer, it will reject more.

    8. Re: GOOD GRIEF! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      And those companies pay about the same amount per megalitre of water as you do per bottle!

      Source:
      http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/water-crisis-were-giving-the-stuff-away/2006/11/03/1162340050938.html

      However, in Australia there is a push to ban bottled water too, because it's just tap water and the bottles are harmful. The alternative is paying more for an empty bottle (which you reuse) and basically nothing for water refills.
      Some municipalities have already banned the sale of bottled water.

    9. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by unixisc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So you are one of those activists who'd like to see more successful companies go under, as opposed to selling alternative products to their traditional cash cows. So an RJR Nabisco or Phillip Morris should preferably have gone under, instead of selling things other than tobacco that would have left them in the black? And same for Coke & Pepsi?

      Bottled water is a legal product. May be 100% profit, but still legal. I never buy it, and somewhat pity morons who decide to stuff their fridges w/ it instead of using a Britta tap filter or a pitcher. Since I rarely drink water - always preferring either coke or lemonade or an alcoholic beverage, I don't have it. But that's their decision. Who exactly died and annointed you Caliph?

    10. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Modded down by those anti sugar trolls

    11. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by Yaztromo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not only are you flushing your money down the toilet, but getting all those empty bottles out of our waste stream would be a great benefit for all of us.

      I'm rich enough that I only fill my toilet tanks with the finest imported bottled water. It's only the best for my effluence!

      Yaz

    12. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I also don't see energy drinks included in this. Energy drinks are tracked as their own category from soda and other soft drinks. The energy drink market has still been growing. I know I've seen more people with redbull, monster and other energy drinks, many of those replaced the mountain dew or other soda that used to be there.

      Pepsi and Coke have taken stakes in many of the energy drink companies. I don't think anyone has to worry one bit about 'Big Soda' disappearing any time soon.

    13. Re: GOOD GRIEF! by SydShamino · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bottled water sales trod upon the commons with regard to waste recycling or disposal. The number of one-time-use bottles being discarded "incorrectly" (meaning: not where they will be recycled) is staggering, as is the number that end up in the environment like the ocean.

      You see a successfully company being stomped out by liberals, liberals see a company taking from a common resource without paying for it.

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    14. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not only are you flushing your money down the toilet, but getting all those empty bottles out of our waste stream would be a great benefit for all of us.

      I'm rich enough that I only fill my toilet tanks with the finest imported bottled water. It's only the best for my effluence!

      Yaz

      Re-bottle that and you could sell it as "Affluent Effluent" brand liquid fertilizer!

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    15. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      It's also possible to read the ingredients list and make your decision that way. You don't have to do it every time, just identify the brands that say things like "no added sugar", "no added flavour" (Why the hell do they feel the need to add flavour to OJ?), "unfiltered" or "with pulp", and try to avoid the ones that use "reconstituted" juice.

      Or buy a decent juicer and some fresh fruit. You'll save money in the long run and it tastes a hell of a lot better.

      Plus, you can use the pulp in baking cakes and stuff. And man, that stuff is good.

      Don't be in such a goddamn hurry to just throw some calories down your neck.

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    16. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's this same mistaken belief that tells you "high fructose corn syrup" is bad, when in reality it's because somebody is afraid of the name.

      What do those goddamned egghead Princeton researchers know, amirite?

      https://www.princeton.edu/main...

      Also, those liberal smartypants over at the Journal of Clinical Investigation

      More damning evidence against fructose emerged just last week in an important study from the Journal of Clinical Investigation. Researchers in California recruited volunteers to drink a glass of Kool-Aid with every meal for 10 weeks; half took their soft drinks sweetened with fructose, the other half with glucose. By the end of the study period, both groups had put on weight, but the subjects getting fructose had more visceral fat—the kind that adheres to our organs and is associated with heightened risk for atherosclerosis, cardiovascular disease, and type 2 diabetes. The fructose group also showed higher levels of LDL cholesterol and lower insulin sensitivity.

      Stupid, stupid scientists.

      I mean, forget about the fact that High Fructose Corn Syrup tastes like ass compared to actual cane sugar. I need my goddamn Big Gulp and I need it now!

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    17. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by Patent+Lover · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You don't need to filter it. Tap water is drinkable as is. Seeing people buying cases of bottled water makes me cringe/laugh.

    18. Re: GOOD GRIEF! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Won't be long before all the Envirowackos and Health Freaks have people drinking out of ditches.

    19. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      Oh, it still works just fine for people who read the labels.

      Well, I was responding to GP, who said you could just look at a label for "no added sugar" -- and my specific response was that using that marker does NOT "work just fine" if your intention is to avoid foods or drinks with significant amounts of added sugar.

      If you don't understand what evaporated cane juice is, then don't buy products that contain it. Simple simple. If you don't know what syrup is, or if it is something that you eat, then be on the safe side and don't eat it.

      Absolutely -- and with that I wholeheartedly agree. I don't buy any products that contain ingredients which I'm unfamiliar with. Then again, I have a strong science background and understand quite a bit about chemistry, so I can decipher more food additives pretty well.

      The average person simply doesn't have that kind of knowledge, so they trust labels that say things like "no sugar added" to have some useful meaning. They take their best guess at what "evaporated cane juice" might be, and it sounds like "juice." Have you ever talked to the average person, with an IQ of around 100? Now talk to the 50% of the population who don't have that level of intelligence. It's really hard to sort these things out for most people.

      Of course, the easiest way to avoid most of these issues is just to stop buying "processed" food. (I know that term is a bit vague.) I don't buy much of it myself -- and I cook and bake most of my meals for myself from basic ingredients. Unfortunately, our culture has collectively lost a lot of that basic kitchen knowledge in the past couple generations, coupled with a work culture that doesn't allow one parent to be allowed time to devote to food preparation.

      So a lot of people just have to resort to "processed" foods. And even many of the "healthy" choices at the "natural" markets will be using misleading labels like this. I have had many people in my own family who have been "taken in" by these things (people who are otherwise quite smart, have very good jobs, advanced degrees, etc.), and they simply don't realize the bogus advertising. They're trying to make a better choice for themselves or for their kids, and personally I think they shouldn't have to know a dozen different obscure products that are essentially "added sugar" to be able to spot them buried in ingredients lists for products with "no added sugar."

      The FDA's guidelines on product labeling exist for a reason. I don't think a company like Chobani is technically in violation of the current guidelines -- rather, this is a case where better guidelines could make things more transparent.

    20. Re: GOOD GRIEF! by myowntrueself · · Score: 3, Funny

      And those companies pay about the same amount per megalitre of water as you do per bottle!

      Source:
      http://www.theage.com.au/news/...

      However, in Australia there is a push to ban bottled water too, because it's just tap water and the bottles are harmful. The alternative is paying more for an empty bottle (which you reuse) and basically nothing for water refills.
      Some municipalities have already banned the sale of bottled water.

      Reminds me of that Mario brothers movie, where their van has overheated and one is coming out of a shop with armfuls of bottled water because the shopkeeper had claimed not to have a tap...

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    21. Re: GOOD GRIEF! by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      Anyone who can't recognise the industry terms and marketing language in the parent post, and the purpose of carefully crafted structure of it... I have a slightly used bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

      Actually I'm in the medical industry. But was in the saltwater hobby for a very long time starting in the late 1970's. It's actually where my screen name is derived from. I kept reef tanks.

      As far as "industry terms", I'm pretty sure I explained anything other than what ppm stood for, under the assumption that parts per million is a fairly standard measurement for anyone who took high-school chemistry. Everything else is very well known to anyone in the hobby.

      I'm not sure what marketing language you think is in there, but, please, do tell what the purpose of my post was. Other than to relay information.

    22. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      If it was "sugar" it wouldn't be so bad.

      Sorry, but YES it would be. Having a 12-ounce drink with something like 9-10 teaspoons of sugar in it is just ridiculous. It has no nutritional value other than the easiest form of energy for your body. Unless you're starving to death and simply need the extra calories, there's simply no reason to consume plain sugar.

      The stuff they use to sweeten soda pop is some lab-accident shit, but it sure ain't sugar.

      Uh, you do realize how much processing goes into making white cane sugar? Just because they started doing it several generations ago doesn't make it any less of "lab accident" crap than corn syrup.

      Do you have any idea how many FEET of sugar cane you'd have to consume to get the equivalent of the amount of sugar in a (Mexican) bottle of Coke? Even if you did eat enough sugar cane to do so, you'd have also consumed so much fiber that it would completely change your digestion and metabolism of what you ate.

      You wanna taste sugar in soda pop, you gotta find the good stuff bottled in Mexico.

      I have. Yeah, it tastes different. Still terrible and sickeningly sweet. Sometimes I actually like a little bit of sweetness in a drink -- although I don't usually do this, sometimes I add a teaspoon of sugar or so to a 12-ounce mug of coffee or tea. NOT TEN TEASPOONS.

      The quantity of sugar in soft drinks is absolutely insane. Suggesting that somehow it wouldn't be "so bad" for you if it were cane sugar is just nonsense.

    23. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

      high fructose corn syrup: 55% fructose, 45% glucode

      table sugar: 50% fructose, 50% glucose

      yep, huge difference there.

      And yet, the research. Maybe high-fructose corn syrup has more differences than just the fructose/glucose levels? Despite what the powerful corn lobby in the US would have you believe, corn is just not all that good for you in large amounts. And with the amount that goes into HFCS, drinking soda pop is getting corn in large amounts.

      Plus, it's all patented-gene bullshit with a heaping side order of glyphosates, and who wants to give money to Monsanto?

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    24. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by dskoll · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, bottled water is a real WTF. For people who live in first-world countries with proper sanitation and water treatment, it makes no sense whatsoever to buy bottled water. Plus all those plastic bottles are terrible for the environment.

    25. Re: GOOD GRIEF! by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      Treating tap water as if it were a uniform product worldwide, or even nationwide, is ignorant. There are millions of wells in just the U.S.

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    26. Re: GOOD GRIEF! by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 2

      There is bottled water then there is bottled water. I refer of course to the Perrier class of bottled water vs the Hinkley-Schmidt class. The Perrier class is a lot more expensive and certainly a waste.

    27. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by nitehawk214 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I only drink bottled water form California. That my drink means someone else must go without makes it taste that much more refreshing.

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    28. Re: GOOD GRIEF! by Chas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe if you had bottled water, you'd drink it instead of coke and other nasty things.
      Despite popular belief, tap water, even with a Britta, is nothing like bottled water which is actually nice to drink.

      Bullshit.

      http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH...

      http://www.today.com/food/your...

      http://www.allaboutwater.org/t...

      https://youtu.be/saSgpX186MM

      In many cases, bottled water is coming from a municipal water source. It's treated and filtered the same way all municipal water is. About the only thing that happens is that the companies sometimes re-introduce minerals to enhance the flavor.

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    29. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by Cyberax · · Score: 2

      it's that it actively draws them out of your body. Drink it and your blood becomes acidic, leeching nutrients out of your bones and muscle tissue

      WTF? Pure water does not make blood any more acidic or basic. It simply can not do it. In reality, drinking distilled water is OK - your body gets more than enough minerals with food to not care about a couple of milligrams of missing dissolved salts.

    30. Re:GOOD GRIEF! by Cyberax · · Score: 2

      It makes it more acidic because it draws out the bases into itself, which you then urinate out.

      How? It's not possible chemically. Bases are negatively charged, so if you piss them away then your body will get charged. It's impossible, of course. Water can only _dilute_ the bodily fluids.

      And never mind that the blood acidity is one of the most tightly controlled body parameters - you simply can't affect it in any measurable way by eating different kinds of food or drink (that is, until you get a SERIOUS metabolic disorder).

    31. Re: GOOD GRIEF! by camg188 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      From wikipedia
      In 2006, FIJI Water ran an advertisement stating, "The label says Fiji because it's not bottled in Cleveland". This was taken as an insult by the city's water department.[18] The Cleveland Water Department ran tests comparing a bottle of FIJI Water to Cleveland tap water and some other national bottled brands. FIJI Water reportedly contained 6.31 micrograms of arsenic per litre, whereas the tap water of Cleveland contained none.

    32. Re: GOOD GRIEF! by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 2

      if the end user doesnt do their part (recycle) how is that the companies fault???

      "We just sell the guns/syringes/pseudoephedrine/oxycodone, it's not our fault if people misuse it/them (shrug)".

    33. Re: GOOD GRIEF! by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      And those companies pay about the same amount per megalitre of water as you do per bottle!

      Yep. Is there a single reason why soda companies would WANT people to keep on drinking soda? Soda has water+ingredients. Ingredients cost money.

      I wouldn't be surprised if it's really the soda companies paying for all the 'Sugar is poison!' stories.

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    34. Re: GOOD GRIEF! by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are fringe groups of Environmentalists and Health Nuts, who seem to forget or not realize the advancements we have made over the last couple thousand years in providing clean and much more healthy drinking water. There is a reason why our forefathers drank a lot of beer and hard cider, it was healthier then drinking water. The alcohol which damaged their livers and took decades off their lifespan, was a better option of drinking fresh water which could have microbes that could kill you the next week. Now we had great improvement in water purification technologies so clean drinking water is possible and better for you then alcohol. Which then leads us to the 1920's prohibition, where many people who were employed to serve alcohol either had to work black market, go to a different career, or adapt. Those who adapted, help make things as Malted Milk Shakes, and Soda-Pop and other "Soft" drinks. Where they could use their now clean water to make new drinks which is what they were good at. Now these soft drinks were speciality drinks, were candy not meant for constant consumption, so they were not targeted towards to being part of your daily diet. Then we get to those silly Baby Boomers who never wanted to grow up. So their culture rejected all the stuffy restrictions of their parents and tried to be young and hip. Thus causing them to drink more soda, and avoiding classifying it as kids stuff, then we get to their kids, where they felt it was OK to feed their children this as part of their normal grocery items. So the Gen X got hooked on the taste.

      Now, Soda isn't like tobacco where it is an addictive substance, it is much easier to quit the soda habit/substitute it with something else. We Americans have a problem of overdoing things that we like. When we smoke we smoke packs of cigarettes a day not one every few days. When we drink soda it is part of our diet not just a random treat. If we don't like meat then we go full vegan, if we like meat, then we reject all vegetarian meals. When our excess goes out of control, it is easier to blame the product maker, then ourselves for going in excess.

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    35. Re: GOOD GRIEF! by turbidostato · · Score: 2

      "Is there a single reason why soda companies would WANT people to keep on drinking soda?"

      Well, in fact, there is: soda allows for stronger market recognition. It is obvious for the customer which one is Coca-Cola and which one is 7-Up therefore allowing marketing departments to deploy their fidelity thingies. But then, it's much more difficult to set apart Coca-Cola bottled water from Nestle bottled water and the entry barrier for new competitors becomes also lower. These are things you don't like when you are already a behemoth in that market.

    36. Re: GOOD GRIEF! by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 2

      Several states in the US have it, but the deposit is now laughably low (5 or 10 cents). It is only worth my time to chase the nickels now that I live within walking distance of a grocery store.

      If the deposit were more sensible like a quarter, you'd get a heck of a lot more people returning their beer, water, soda and energy drink containers (unfortunately other beverages escape the requirement, like Snapple and Gatorade).

  2. The Big Soda loves the decline by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Informative

    Now they are bottling municipal water supply and selling it at the same price as soda. No need to guard recipes, no need to worry about making concentrates... Their profit margin has increased despite the decrease in soda consumption.

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    1. Re:The Big Soda loves the decline by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      Well no, the beverage industry likely doesn't think of it the same way. If you have a proprietary recipe, then you're the only source of that drink, which means you can charge more for it and/or profit the most from it. Meanwhile just anybody can make bottled water, so it's not exactly lucrative.

    2. Re:The Big Soda loves the decline by bigfinger76 · · Score: 2

      They're selling the base material for soda (filtered tap water, requiring only bottling) for more than they sell the exclusive brands, and they sell more units of them too. I guarantee you it's plenty lucrative.

  3. You can have my Jolt Cola by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

    When you pry it from my cold dead hands.

    1. Re:You can have my Jolt Cola by Crashmarik · · Score: 5, Funny

      When you pry it from my cold dead hands.

      You call that a threat?

      If you're still drinking that shit, believe me, we won't be waiting long to pry it from your cold dead hands.

      Heathen, may you rot in the hell that is reserved for Perrier and Zima drinkers.

    2. Re:You can have my Jolt Cola by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Nice of you to be so concerned about your neighbor, St AC. But most of us are perfectly capable of living our own lives, w/o busybodies like you getting in the way.

      So just fuck off!!!

  4. But they will always have a place in ... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... the trunks of police cars. According to widely circulated "facts" about cola one thing I still remember is, "Every police car in America has a two liter bottle of coke in their trunks. It is the best thing to dissolve blood stains off asphalt" and "put a chicken bone into a bottle of coke, and it will dissolve completely in six days"

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  5. Finally, and end to 2nd hand soda by Tehrasha · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am happy as long at keeps people from spitting half swallowed soda in my face at meal times and other social gatherings.

  6. Re:Better to drink from a leaking garbage bag by Rei · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Weird to see people complaining about sugar but switching to fruit juice, though. Many if not most fruit juices have a higher sugar concentration than coke.

    Now, that's only from the sugar perspective. Caffeine has its good and bad sides, so if one wants to cut down, there's that. Phosphoric acid may or may not have a negative effect on bone density (lower bone density is associated with soda consumption but there's dispute over whether it's the phosphoric acid or just the aforementioned caffeine). Fruit juices have vitamins and minerals that most colas won't. But really, the biggest health issue with colas is the sugar, and one may actually increase their sugar intake by switching to juice.

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  7. Energy Drinks by darkain · · Score: 2

    In other news, Energy Drink sales are surging with the younger crowds!

    1. Re:Energy Drinks by MacDork · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, this. energy drink and Starbucks. People aren't drinking fewer caffeinated beverages, they're generally drinking stronger ones. Whether it's carbonated or not doesn't really matter.

      My favorite commercial of course, is 5-hour energy. "Get five hours of energy with only 4 calories!" I got a news flash for those guys... calories == energy. No calories means it's a drug, not energy. I wonder if I could sue them for blatantly false advertisements?

  8. No, drinking soda != smoking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When people drink soda, they don't blow toxic and disgusting smelling fumes into people's walkways, they don't leave butts all over the ground, and they don't return from a smoke break smelling like an ashtray.

    Chuck, I'm going with, "No, drinking soda isn't the new smoking."

    1. Re:No, drinking soda != smoking by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      What you describe has more to do with being grotesquely overweight than drinking soda.

    2. Re:No, drinking soda != smoking by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      If that was satire, you need to work on your delivery. Especially since it didn't offend my delicate sensibilities, rather you offended the intelligence of everyone else.

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    3. Re:No, drinking soda != smoking by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This.

      I'm a militant anti-smoker. I hate it, I avoid places that still allow smoking, and if they do so in break of current anti-smoking legislation, I bring them to the attention of authorities. I've never had a smoking GF and crossed off many potential candidates from the list because of their addiction.

      All that said, you can smoke all you want, for all I care, and slowly kill yourself, if you find a way to do it without affecting anyone else who didn't consent to being gassed.

      Drinking soda might be unhealthy, but it's not smelly, it doesn't turn people into nervous wrecks if they haven't had one for a day and it doesn't force itself on people around you. I can't tell if someone drank a coke in a room when I come in one hour later. I can tell if someone smoked in their car even if they stopped half a year ago and gave it a very solid cleansing. I can smell if one person is smoking somewhere in the same room in a public space. If you know anything about biology, you understand that if you can smell it, it means toxic levels are reached and the stink is your bodies way of telling you to get the hell out of there.

      Drinking soda isn't the "new smoking". The two things are not even on the same level.

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  9. Plummet????? by robi5 · · Score: 2

    This language is being hyperboled away as we speak; the meaning of words are inflated away. A 25% decrease over 20 years? That's an annual decrease of a measly 1.1%! What's the word then to use for what happened to the Volkswagen stock?

    Nah, the expression to be used would be: 'slowly eroding, culminating in a 25% decrease over the past 20 years that some observers[who?] consider significant.'

    1. Re:Plummet????? by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

      It's a real phenomena: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  10. Even if it isn't some blend by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most fruit juices have a lot of sugar. Fruit contains a lot of fructose, water, and fiber. So squeeze out the water that contains the fructose, the fiber gets left behind, and you have something that is by volume and weight a tons of sugar.

    Apple juice is a good example. If you go and have a look at the Simply Apple stuff at a grocer you can see easily. It really is 100% pure apple juice. They don't add any sweetener or anything else, they just squeeze the juice out of apple and bottle that shit up... and it is as high calorie as soda. 180 calories per 12 oz (355ml). For comparison Pepsi is 150 and Mountain Dew is 170.

    I love apple juice, it tastes fantastic, but you can't fool yourself in to thinking that because it is juice it is magically good.

  11. Not in my house by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just finished installing a 6 head soft drink fountain dispenser next to the playroom. It's gonna be carbonated drinks as far as the eye can see.

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  12. Coca Cola by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fructose sweetener. Forget it.

    Switch back to cane sugar. Fuck the sugar cartel. Throw them all in prison.

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  13. Probably the #1 cause of diabetes by kheldan · · Score: 4, Informative

    I woudn't at all be surprised if drinking sugary sodas is the number one cause of diabetes. Additionally, most artificial sweeteners really aren't all that great for you, either, if for no other reason than they don't break you of the habit of drinking sweet drinks all the time. People who live that way need to bite the bullet and drink nothing but WATER (the kind out of the tap that's free, not stupid overpriced bottled water!) for at least a year. Then they can have a soda once in a while.. assuming it's cane sugar-sweetened, not HFCS, not aspartame, not sucralose. In my opinion, stevia is OK, but as with most things YMMV. But everyone needs to get out of the habit of swilling sodas all the time and drink WATER instead. You'll be healthier and happier in the long run, and have more money in your pocket, too. In my opinion.

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  14. Regulation for thee, not for me by reemul · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The nannystate regulators who ban soda because of the high calories are curiously prone to carve out exceptions for drinks containing dairy. They're very concerned about the health of those other people drinking cokes from large cups, but not about to start interfering with their own consumption of ridiculously high calorie Starbucks coffee-based concoctions. It's a class based prejudice, the wrong sorts of people can't be trusted to organize their own affairs while us enlightened folks need no restrictions whatever. As always with the leftists, it's about control, not about health.

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  15. Meh... trends come and go. by King_TJ · · Score: 2

    Right now, it's just the in thing to avoid soda. The pre-teens and teens I see who tell you they "don't drink that stuff" are the same ones buying up those nasty tasting "energy drinks" chock full of caffeine and all sorts of other chemicals.

    Anything you eat or drink too much of can be bad for you. The people I knew who'd wind up with a huge tower of empty soda cans in their cubicle at work, for example? Probably wasn't doing them much good, health-wise.

    But honestly, I'm already well into my 40's and am one of those people who gets a fountain soda pretty often at the gas station, or with lunch or dinner when I go out. I occasionally buy a 2 liter of Pepsi or Dr. Pepper or something to drink at home too. I've been doing this since I was a teenager. Can't really say I've had any negative heath effects from it, so far. And I'm getting to the age where stuff starts going wrong, regardless. So I expect someone will blame my thumb that keeps popping out of its joint on the soda drinking or who knows what.... But hey, I don't smoke and really cut back on drinking alcohol since my late 20's.

    Personally, I'd trust any of the sodas with real cane sugar in them more than these artificially sweetened low-cal/no cal drinks and/or the energy drinks on the market.

  16. Alternative is just as bad... by superdave80 · · Score: 2

    Now kids are drinking 'energy drinks'. Not sure if this is an improvement or not. On a side note, soda isn't really that bad, it's just that they give such gigantic amounts of it to you now. I wish my company vending machine would just vend a can of coke, rather than the giant 1/2 liter bottles. And god help you if you order a 'large' soda at any place now days...

  17. Bzzzt. Thank you for playing. by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 2
  18. Re:Drink by Stephen+Chadfield · · Score: 2

    Oh, and even better is 100 JPY for a bottle of iced Oolong tea from a convenience store. Oishii ne.

  19. Re:Soda is TOO expensive by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2

    I worked in the restaurant industry. The soda costs the store about 2 cents per glass. The rest is markup.

    It allows them to lower the food cost (which has very little profit).

    Spirits have a high markup but not as high as soda.

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  20. Re:I get my soft drink cravings by BronsCon · · Score: 2
    Carbonic acid is not just another name for dissolved CO2, it is H2CO3, an actual molecular bond between H2O and CO2. Your cells deposit it into your blood and it is reacted back into CO2 and H2O (I misspoke when I said hydrogen earlier) in your lungs, to be exhaled.

    Carbonic acid is an intermediate step in the transport of CO2 out of the body via respiratory gas exchange. The hydration reaction of CO2 is generally very slow in the absence of a catalyst, but red blood cells contain carbonic anhydrase, which both increases the reaction rate and dissociates a hydrogen ion (H+) from the resulting carbonic acid, leaving bicarbonate (HCO3) dissolved in the blood plasma. This catalysed reaction is reversed in the lungs, where it converts the bicarbonate back into CO2 and allows it to be expelled. This equilibration plays an important role as a buffer in mammalian blood.

    Adding additional carbonic acid to your system in sufficient quantities (as in drinking only or primarily carbonated beverages) stresses your lungs they try to decompose the excess.

    Don't feel bad about not knowing this, it's new information to me, too. It also explains why I run out of breath walking up 2 flights of stairs after drinking a large soda when I otherwise have excellent stamina and doctors say there is nothing wrong.

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  21. As a dentist, I'd like to explain a few things by mark_reh · · Score: 3, Informative

    1) adding CO2 to water turns it into an acid- carbonic acid- which is bad for the teeth because it demineralizes (dissolves) tooth enamel.
    2) most sodas contain additional phosphoric acid- the same stuff dentists use to etch teeth to help composite restorative materials bond to the teeth
    3) the sugar in soda feeds the bacteria in the mouth. The bacteria cling to the teeth in biofilms that must be removed by mechanical actions of brushing and flossing. Many of the bacteria that live in the mouth convert sugar into lactic acid which, like soda, dissolves the enamel on the teeth. Eventually anaerobic bacteria move in to the newly created environment and invade the soft tissue and bone. This is when teeth start getting loose and breath smells like death.
    4) minerals in the saliva can harden on the teeth (calculus) above and below the gum line and can't be removed by brushing and flossing- they must be removed by a hygienist with steel bladed instruments, sometimes with ultrasonic assistance. Calculus is porous and is like a high rise condo for bacteria- party all the time! Everyone should see a hygienist regularly to keep calculus build up under control.
    5) sugar is high in non nutritive calories which contributes to obesity.
    6) a huge number of health problems are related to obesity including type II diabetes, cardiovascular problems, joint problems, etc.
    7) "sports" drinks are as bad for the teeth as soda.
    8) "Mountain Dew Mouth" is indistinguishable from "Meth Mouth", probably because the condition is largely caused by meth users consuming large amounts of candy and soda because it's easier, faster, and cheaper than cooking/eating proper food and well, you know, food costs money that could be spent on more meth...
    9) Keeping teeth healthy is important for maintaining overall health and quality of life. When you lose teeth your ability to chew food properly before swallowing is diminished. Poor chewing performance leads to poor digestive performance. Lose enough teeth and you're stuck eating soft foods that you can mash with your tongue. Dentures help, but they are prosthetics- like an artificial leg, and a poor substitute for the real thing when it comes to function. Imagine spending the last 30 years or so of your life unable to eat the things you like to eat. What will a diet of spaghetti, mashed potatoes, and apple sauce do to your disposition and overall health?
    10) Your immune system helps control bacterial populations in the mouth, but in diabetics the immune response is lessened by the disease so it becomes even more important for diabetics who want to keep their teeth to step up their self care and see professionals regularly. It is extremely important to monitor your blood sugar and take your medications as instructed by your physician/endocrinologist.
    11) Smoking is bad for the teeth. Nicotine causes the small blood vessels that carry immune system components to constrict, reducing blood flow to the teeth, gums and surrounding bone. The bad bacteria freely invade the soft tissues and bone and before you know it, you start losing teeth. Smoking makes the breath stink and stains teeth. It is a filthy habit. Chewing tobacco is just disgusting and equally bad for the teeth. Any form of tobacco use delivers carcinogens to the soft tissues in the mouth and can lead to oral cancer, a particularly disfiguring form of cancer.

    Please reduce or stop soda/sports drink consumption and drink more water, quit smoking or chewing tobacco, brush and floss as instructed by your dentist, and see the dentist/hygienist regularly for maintenance. Your life will be a more pleasant experience, guaranteed.