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German Police Warn Parents To Stop Posting Photos of Kids On Facebook (thestack.com)
An anonymous reader writes: A post on Facebook by German police advising parents not to post pictures of their children on the social media site has been shared more than 100,000 times and viewed by over seven million people. The Hagen Police left its warnings about paedophile interest with the suggestion that kids might not appreciate the early publicity after they have grown up a little.
What if my children are ugly? Is it okay then?
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Those school pics you were forced to get every year? Ya, big pedophile ring right there. Forcing us to look nice for photos, so they could get off on it.
What about the DMV taking pictures of your kids? Government controlled ephebophilia ring there.
Oh shit, about what all the kids at the beaches? Wearing very little? We should outlaw that also. Maybe not let kids go outside anymore while we are at it. After all, we just think of the children, oh wait, we should outlaw that also.
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I knew some idiot who doesn't know the difference between "getting a photograph" and "posting the photograph on Facebook" would say something stupid like that.
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Sudden breakout of common sense. It's the exact same thought I had when watching "David After Dentist" on YT.
Imagine him at 15, scared and asking a girl on a date, and her asking him if he's been to the dentist lately.
"I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
Be afraid, be VERY afraid!
Pedophiles are everywhere, under your BED, in the CLOSET, in your SCHOOLS, hiding behind TREES, at the SUPERMARKET!!!
They're at the AUTO DEALER, they're in the POOL, they're climbing MOUNTAINS, be AFRAID!!! Everyone you know is SECRETLY a pedophile or a satanist or BOTH!! AAAAHH!!!
Be afraid of everyone everywhere all the time!!
OoooOOooooh scary!!
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
There's really no good reason to post photos of your children. There's no reason to post photos of yourself, really, but at least you and your friends understand what is going on when you do it and can make your own decisions.
I do a lot of photography on the side, shooting with models and all sorts of other people. I will never post photos of children (I've only taken a few, for that matter). Am I being paranoid? Perhaps, but there's just no reason to do it. It's also a matter of self-preservation. If some creeper gets the photo and photoshops it into something horrible, I may get mixed up in something that will ruin me. The chances of that happening are very, very small, but there's nothing really to be gained from kid photos. From that perspective, it's all risk.
All kidding aside, this highlights how society has refused to deal rationally with pedophilia.
Killing them all hasn't really reduced their numbers, and the moral scares have just made for a grim, paranoid society.
And instances like this are essentially keeping kids under the burka, which is an indication of how backwards aspects of modern western culture are.
If we can't deal with aberrant sexuality judiciously, it will continue to be exploited by those who aren't really considering the welfare of children.
The German police advice about pedophiles is not to brag about your kids? What's next, are they going to tell Jews not to wear Yamacas to avoid antisemitism?
Outside many private schools in Australia are signs saying don't take pictures of our cherubs. Or what exactly? I see the signs generally after hours, otherwise I might take a selfie of myself "thinking about it" with the sign behind me, and then take pictures of vicious Sydney Lord of the Flies aspirants at their fucking worst. If the LOTF reference in the context of Sydney schools doesn't resonate, the Sydney school system is an order of magnitude more vicious than the inner city ghetto schools I went to in the US from Y5 through Y12. "Keep your feet mate" as advice for a fist fight is what these kids are taught from age *SEVEN*, which I know from direct observation.
I say this as the father of two little girls. But if I post pictures on facebook of my daughters they are photos that I have deemed OK for public consumption. They are photos that if they were published on the front page of a news paper I would be absolutely fine about it. So given that, why should I care if someone with a perversion finds one of them titillating? Yeah it's definitely pretty high on the gross out scale but maybe I shouldn't post pictures of my cat then for a similar reason?
This is a totally totally stupid suggestion. If someone does collect photos of kids off the internet from facebook NO CHILD IS HARMED. Stupid.
...not strangers. Why? Because they have extended unsupervised access. The idea that roving bands of pedos are parachuting in from the hills is ridiculous.
A sexual deviant looked at pictures of people online and had sexual thoughts. Shut down EVERYTHING.
..one of the most sinister features of the Fascist character.
This. A billion times this. Allegedly babies are cute. I can't really find anything cute about them, but I have been informed that I'm the odd man out here and everyone else thinks those little whining buoys are something adorable. Fine.
They will eventually turn into human beings, though. And no later than then they will HATE you for embarrassing them like this. This "cute" pic you post right there could well turn into bullying material for your teenage son or daughter 13 years down the line.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I just read the original post by the Polizei Hagen and the context is not so much about pedophiles but the emphasis is more on basic privacy concerns... A quick and dirty translation (usual caveats apply):
Please stop posting photographs of your children for all to see on Facebook and Co! - Even your children have privacy!
A snapshot naked on the beach or bathing in the pool: Many of you publish pictures of their little ones on Facebook and Co. And very often those are visible to everyone, without any appropriate safeguards in the privacy settings. Maybe you consider the pictures adorable today, but they might prove endlessly embarrassing for your children in a few years - or they might even get bullied! Even worse: pedophile inclined people may use such photos for their own purposes or publish them elsewhere. Your children have a right of privacy. We feel that pictures of children should not be published in social networks. Because the Internet never "forgets" anything. View your pictures of your little ones wtih grandma, grandpa, aunt, uncle, friends and acquaintances rather personally. Because: Isn't it so much nicer to talk and smile about them together?
Thank you!
Your Police Hagen
Those school pics you were forced to get every year? Ya, big pedophile ring right there. Forcing us to look nice for photos, so they could get off on it.
What about the DMV taking pictures of your kids? Government controlled ephebophilia ring there.
Oh shit, about what all the kids at the beaches? Wearing very little? We should outlaw that also. Maybe not let kids go outside anymore while we are at it. After all, we just think of the children, oh wait, we should outlaw that also.
I went to school in germany. There weren't mandatory photos in school. Our DMV equivalent doesn't take photos of kids either. We got nude beaches and most of the time people wont take photos there. Would be really hard to get a pretty picture there as the bigger part of the attending adults aren't bodybuilders or enforce the no photos without permission rule.
To make it short. They warn about giving the really bad guys an easy way to get a photo and enough data to locate the kids. Some people even post their kids schedule.
Here in the states it seems that a grim, paranoid society is the end goal of the media in general.
Sure, if you set the value of sharing photos of your kids with your friends to zero, and then we compare a one in twenty million risk to zero, then we'll err on the side of caution.
But in the real world, people enjoy seeing what their friends are up to (parents' lives are strongly defined by their kids) as that helps build strong social relationships.
We take them to soccer games too, even though there's a one in two million chance of them being killed in a car wreck on the way. And, OMG, swimming. I'm not on FB anymore but it's not due to fear of perverts, and I posted plenty of kid pics in my time. I don't want my kids to be one in twenty million, but that's why I'm teaching them blended martial arts.
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Where is small opposite sex kid supposed to change at swimming pool? Alone and parent hope the kid does not panic? 10 years old in Germany routinely change alone, so this must be about smaller kids.
The problem is the pedophiles, not Facebook.
Especially the so-called 'elite', who are involved in pedophile rings and who adhere to a code of silence in order to discredit victims and protect themselves. It is a huge problem globally.
I really don't think taking children's pictures off Facebook is going to change anything.
This is an excellent book on the subject.
Political correctness is really just herd psychology pushed by insecure people who desperately seek social conformity.
I knew some idiot who doesn't know the difference between "some idiot" and "would say something stupid like that" would say something stupid like that.
"A 'person' is smart. 'People' are dumb, panicky animals and you know that."
No one should post pictures of their ugly children on facebook. What's this about pedos now?
To make it short. They warn about giving the really bad guys an easy way to get a photo and enough data to locate the kids. Some people even post their kids schedule.
Complete and utter FUD. Has there EVER been a case where a non-family member kidnaps a specific kid based on stuff they found online? If you want to kidnap a kid, you already know where they hang out. First off, kidnapping by a complete stranger is extremely extremely rare and secondly the person who is going to do this is going to go where the kids are and grab the first kid they find, they aren't going to try to get a specific kid. Now posting when your kid is home alone is probably not the smartest thing to do so I would venture to say that posting your own work schedule or whereabouts would be more dangerous than posting a picture of your kid or your kid's schedule. Lastly, so they have your kid's picture, who cares? They can get millions of pictures on google by googling "kid". That's not the kind of pictures they are wanting and in no way does it make your kid any more at risk. The only thing it could possibly do is allow a kidnapper to put a name to a face so they can call the kid by name but that can be done by listening to the kids play for 5 minutes and abducting kids is disgustingly easy. Show up with a cute dog and you can have your pick of any kid on the playground. It just doesn't happen.
It just doesn't happen.
You realize this. I realize this. I'm sure plenty of German cops realize this as well... those that are smart enough to be doing actual policework, that is. Those in charge of [whatever passes for] Hagen's police public relations department? Clearly not so much.
If you really cared I could dig up specifics, but here in the US there was an abduction and either actual or attempted murder of a juvenile by someone not known to the family and only to the child via online activity. The perpetrator was a criminal who had done this before.
So, no it is not "complete and utter FUD". And, yes, there *has* "EVER been a case".
Now, is this normal? No. The vast majority of abductions are done by a close relative (often the mother or father in custody cases). Are cases like the one I mention above blown out of all proportion? Yes. But they still happen so claiming they don't is wrong.
If there is a guy who is sexually attracted to rocks, how important is it to make sure that no pictures of rocks end up on facebook?
I don't know why anybody is so fucking stupid to bring their family in public. Don't they realize that everybody can see them?!
If you really cared I could dig up specifics, but here in the US there was an abduction and either actual or attempted murder of a juvenile by someone not known to the family and only to the child via online activity. The perpetrator was a criminal who had done this before.
What you're describing sounds like a child predator. This not the same thing at all. A child predator finds a tween/teen in a chat room or where the tween/teen has their own personal facebook account and starts a conversation. This is not the same thing as an adult posting pictures of their kid on their adult facebook page.
Killing them all hasn't really reduced their numbers...
We haven't yet tried killing all pedophiles here in the states. Usually they go to prison for a few years and then are back on the streets, neither "cured" nor prevented from harming more people.
The statement "Complete and utter FUD. Has there EVER been a case where a non-family member kidnaps a specific kid based on stuff they found online?" is not true and it sounds like you aren't contesting that, instead trying to change the topic/use semantics.
In what way is a pedophile *not* a child predator?
The statement "Complete and utter FUD. Has there EVER been a case where a non-family member kidnaps a specific kid based on stuff they found online?" is not true and it sounds like you aren't contesting that...
I'll contest it. The kidnapping was not "based on stuff they found online", it was based on an interactive online relationship between the "predator" and the child. Ergo, this case does not prove the statement false.
In any case this has no bearing on the danger, or lack thereof, of posting photos of your children on sites like Facebook. It may hint that in some cases there may be a danger in allowing your children to form online relationships with strangers without adult supervision.
"The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else." - Bastiat
German Police made very simple very basic risk assessment.
Yes, and they BLEW IT. Part of doing a risk assessment is weighing the risk against the benefits. They erroneously decided that the incredibly unlikely occurrence of a predator deciding to attack your child because they saw a photo on Facebook outweighed the benefit of sharing photos with people easily via Facebook.
I'll make a prediction: no matter how hard you look, you won't be able to find many fact-based news stories online where an actual predator attacked an actual child because of a Facebook photo. In fact, you probably won't find a single one. When I did that same search, I couldn't find any incidents that actually occurred, anywhere in the world. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean there weren't any, but I think it would be likely that if such a thing did happen it would get insane amounts of international news coverage; certainly if it happened in any statistically significant amount we'd hear about it, right? Instead,all we hear is fear-mongering "what if it happened", rather than "this happened 4000 times last year and here is where we found that info".
What about the Coppertone girl!?
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APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
That won't prevent another Rotherham. It does admit that the invasion of Middle Easterners are predisposed to incivilities such as vandalism, rape, assault, and murder.
Perhaps Germany (and other good EU nations) should ship those hostile migrants back to their home. Then follow Hungary's lead and keep them out. Then again, expecting a GDR-minded leader to stop ringing the dinner bell for Islamic invasion is asking too much.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
The statement "Complete and utter FUD. Has there EVER been a case where a non-family member kidnaps a specific kid based on stuff they found online?" is not true and it sounds like you aren't contesting that, instead trying to change the topic/use semantics.
In what way is a pedophile *not* a child predator?
Yes, a child predator is a pedophile and no, I'm not trying to change the topic/sematics. You are the one trying to change the topic from a parent posting photos of their kid to a kid talking to strangers online. As other people have posted, there is a HUGE difference between a young kid having a conversation with a stranger online using the kid's personal facebook account and a parent posting pictures of a kid.online on an adult account. The first is dangerous but has no connection to the later.
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we now have a situation where anything said about facebook that is even slightly negative about facebook , is rediculed , insalted , taken out of context , why is this so ? i have had to travel more than most , " social encounters have more mines than military encounters " the quote comes from a bbc war documentery . it is a pity that among us are people unable to deal with the slightest cultural differese , and this is a pity because we can learn so much , have nicer more fullfilling , interesting lives . if we life and let live !! i have worked and communicated with capitalists , muslems , asians , communists ,dark people , christians , conservatives , caucasians , sochalitsts , lutherans , " yellow people " nice people , aerogant , mongals , rich , poor , most of them just wanted to live their lives , have and look after their kids , have a roof over their heads , something to eat , not be victems of their " leaders " within each subgroup , bankers , black , poor , nurses , there is a small %ich who are bad . or extremists . regardless of race , religon , greed !! it is by our devercity that we will survive !because of the different climates around the world if nothing else . people fleeing religios persecution are not pilgrams according to my oxford dictionary .education ( and a dictionary " are more important than stating vegetarians are silly . i have heard people ask "are you here because your ancesters were criminals or cos you could not find a place in the society from which you come ?" knowledge does not equate understanding !
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