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Bad Programming Habits We Secretly Love (infoworld.com)

snydeq writes: Breaking the rules can bring a little thrill — and sometimes produce better, more efficient code. From the article: 'The rules are more often guidelines or stylistic suggestions, not hard-and-fast rules that must be obeyed or code death will follow. Sure, your code might be ridiculed, possibly even publicly, but the fact that you're bucking conventions adds a little bit of the thrill to subverting, even inadvertently, what amounts more often than not to the social mores of pleasant code. To make matters more complex, sometimes it's better to break the rules. (Shhhh!) The code comes out cleaner. It may even be faster and simpler.' What bad programming habits can't you (or won't you) break?

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  1. You're the problem by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you think it's nice to break habits or do unconventional code just for the thrill of it, remember how fun it is when you need to work on someone else's code.

    1. Re:You're the problem by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      “Any fool can make a rule
      And any fool will mind it.”

      Thoreau

    2. Re:You're the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Back during Y2K updates to our code base, we'd occasionally have to deal with code written by an ex-employee, who we'll call John. It was so bad that every time someone opened a file he had worked on you'd hear a loud "FUCK! Another John file!" over the cubical walls.

    3. Re:You're the problem by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've heard arguments against writing proper comments similar to what the author makes: "but if you change the code and the documentation or comments don't change, then it might be worse than no documentation at all." My response is that if you're not updating the documentation or comments, then you're not finishing the job you were assigned. You could make the same arguments against taking the time to create meaningful variables and function names.

      There's another argument against comments I occasionally hear as well, which is "a competent coder should be able to discern what the code is doing without comments." While that's technically true, it's another argument I would reject. I feel the best comments can and should declare the intent of a block of code, rather than drilling down into the mechanics of the code. Those types of comments are often much more valuable than comments which simply regurgitate the mechanics of code in English.

      Still, in my own code, I don't have a fixed ratio of comment to code. It's entirely dependent on the complexity / obviousness of the code in question. For instance, if you have a very simple function, such as a handler that reacts to some UI event and just passes along the event to some other system, or performs a simple operation, it's stupid to spend a bunch of time and create excess visual noise to document that function. A quick glance at the code tells you everything you need to know about what's going on far easier than comment blocks.

      On the other hand, when code gets more complex, or the internal workings of a function is less than trivial, I expect to see a more comments in the code. In some of the most complex code I've either written or worked on, the number of lines of comments can actually exceed the number of lines of code. I've even seen some helpful little ASCII drawings in some particularly complex physics code, which was awesome.

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    4. Re:You're the problem by rgmoore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I feel the best comments can and should declare the intent of a block of code, rather than drilling down into the mechanics of the code.

      Exactly. There's a lot of code that needs comments like "fixes bug XXX". If you had to fix a nasty bug and it took you a day to get the details right, let the next poor sap know what you were doing. Otherwise, he's likely to reintroduce the bug by tearing out this apparently useless code.

      Another good use of comments is to summarize a large block of code so that people don't have to dig into it to figure out what it does. For example, it's good to document functions at the top with enough detail that somebody would know how and when to call them without having to read through the whole thing.

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    5. Re:You're the problem by Translation+Error · · Score: 4, Funny

      Any fool can see that.

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    6. Re:You're the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Used judiciously, a goto can save a lot of trouble. The three use cases I have for occasionally using a goto are to break from nested loops, to break from a switch-case within a loop, or as part of error-handling routine where an exception-based approach are not possible or not permitted. In all cases, these are within the scope of a single function.

    7. Re:You're the problem by ralphsiegler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's n00b level confusing for the maintainer, arithmetic three pronged IF are still supported for the true ForTran (-- and note old skool spelling yo!) connioseur: IF (J-3) 204, 512, 123

    8. Re:You're the problem by coats · · Score: 3, Informative
      Donald Knuth has stated that he is in favor of these kinds of "structured GOTO's".

      There is a theorem that in general, GOTO's can be replaced by WHILE's and flags. What is generally not mentioned is that in the general case, the size of the resulting code grows exponentially in terms of the size of the original code. ;-(

      As it happens, we do not get exponential growth for the "break out of the loop" cases...

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    9. Re:You're the problem by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's only an admonishment against following bad rules. Thoreau practiced a lot of civil disobedience. Hell, he wrote the seminal work on the subject, a little essay titled "Civil Disobedience."

      Or, in the words of his contemporary and mentor:

      A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.

      If a rule is bad, change it. But ignoring it while leaving it on the books is poor form.

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    10. Re:You're the problem by Spaham · · Score: 3, Funny

      yeah, Knuth is always your go to guy...

    11. Re:You're the problem by flargleblarg · · Score: 3, Funny

      “Hello, GOTO. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.”

    12. Re:You're the problem by jandersen · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...who we'll call John...

      ...a contractor I'll call Paul

      Right, so who's going to come up with George and Ringo to make up the full set?

  2. "The code comes out cleaner"? by PacoSuarez · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the code comes out cleaner, you didn't break any of my rules. The rule "make the code as clean as possible" trumps all other rules.

    1. Re:"The code comes out cleaner"? by EllisDees · · Score: 5, Funny

      Does it trump the "make the code work" rule?

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    2. Re:"The code comes out cleaner"? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I would not consider non-working code as clean.

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    3. Re:"The code comes out cleaner"? by mattventura · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But sometimes you get awful, poorly thought out "style" guides like PEP8 that in many situations result in less-readable code. Go try lining up colons in a dictionary definition for the purpose of readability and see how it likes it. So actual readability gets thrown out in favor of some feel-good style guide.

    4. Re:"The code comes out cleaner"? by Mikkeles · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah, the "No True Clean Code" fallacy.

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    5. Re:"The code comes out cleaner"? by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1) Make the code work
      2) Make the code readable
      4) Make the code flexible.

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    6. Re:"The code comes out cleaner"? by aix+tom · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Having "taking over" a lot of code in my time, I can say for myself, having code that "works and I don't know why" makes me more nervous that code that "doesn't work and I don't know why".

      I'd rather have clean code, be it working or non working. If it's clean I can get it to work reasonably quick. If it's not clean and not working then I can easily justify a re-write. But if I can't understand it and it seems to be working, I always have the dread that someday it will break in a disastrous fashion in the most inconvenient of times with me being unable to do anything about it.

    7. Re:"The code comes out cleaner"? by Carewolf · · Score: 3, Funny

      1) Make the code work

      2) Make the code readable

      4) Make the code flexible.

      0) Make the code on time
      3) ???
      5) Make the code - PROFIT!

  3. It's a tradeoff by plover · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure, you can trade maintainability for efficiency and reliability. People do it all the time. You just have to understand the costs involved. If the efficient code gains you a million dollars in performance, maybe you can afford for it to be crappy code. Or maybe you'll be running the code for 10 years, and if it costs you $250,000 to keep a crusty old engineer on staff who can maintain it, suddenly that million dollars in performance may not be worth it.

    <disclaimer>I am a crusty old engineer.</disclaimer>

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  4. Copy and Paste. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sometimes I will copy and paste a function and just do some minor tweaks were I could have just added a parameter.
    Why do I do this? Readability. Having a function called SplitPersonName(string name) and another one called SplitCompanyName(string name) So when I run the function it will be easily readable, as well if there is a bug in one of the fuctions but it works fine for the other. I can just change that one function without having to unit test other parts that could have been effected.

    Also I avoid too much Classes that are extended from other classes, that tends to add confusion on where a particular code is being called if you are debugging it from the middle of the class structure.

    It is OK to break rules, but you should have a good reason to do so. Also you should feel free to not break the rules when you do not have a good reason to do so.
     

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    1. Re:Copy and Paste. by Junta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Adding another variant, when you have an existing function that you never expected to reuse part of, suddenly interested in a twist on it. The 'proper' answer is to refactor so that it is shared code, but the code being reused is something that's not changed in 3 years and never had an issue under impressive load. So I could either refactor including changing working code, or duplicate. I'll duplicate. Now my duplicate may break out the relevant code so that if such a circumstance arise later, that the duplication won't happen twice, but I would rather a duplicate exist than risk any change to proven code.

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    2. Re:Copy and Paste. by Junta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also agreed about too many classes. People think they make nice modular things by having short classes, but I just went through an exercise of pouring through about a dozen mind numbingly tedious files to find the single line of code that actually did something rather than just do a few pointlessly segregated checks or providing an alternative function for what '+=' already did or coercion into some datatype only to have it coerced back 'just in case' that middle layer might one day have another developer that would naturally think of it another way...

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    3. Re:Copy and Paste. by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For any rule you can come up with, you can probably find a valid case where breaking the rule would result in better code. Even GoTo can be useful in certain circumstances. Most of the good uses of GoTo have been codified using other key words. .C# has the continue keyword. It's basically exactly the same as using a GoTo to skip processing the current item. GoTo would have accomplished the exact same task, but people have such a dislike of GoTo that they had to create a whole other keyword that does exactly the same thing.

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    4. Re:Copy and Paste. by PRMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But continue is very clear, as is break and return. Goto could go anywhere in theory, so it slows you down as you scan around looking for it.

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    5. Re:Copy and Paste. by readin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unit tests are no match for years of reliable service because for useful programs there is no such thing as a comprehensive unit test. One of the reasons computers are so useful is they can handle so many different input values - so many that you can't possibly test them all. Want to test a '+' operator for integers? Unless you run all MAX_INT * MAX_INT (oh way, I mean MAX_INT - MIN_INT+1 * MAX_INT-MIN_INT +1) possible inputs, how can you be sure you got everything? Well, let's just pick a representative test. Oh wait, we need to make sure we try with a negative number. Oh yeah, we need to a negative+negative, a positive+positive, a positive+negative, and a negative+positive. That it? Oh yeah we need to try negatives positives with zeros too. NOW we're done. What? OOHHH overflow! We need to write a test for two very large positive numbers and another for two very large negative numbers!

      That's just for simple integer addition. When you start writing real-life code the combinations of inputs grow very quickly. You do your best, but it simply isn't practical to test for every possible thing that could cause a problem.

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  5. Documentation by PvtVoid · · Score: 5, Funny

    From TFA:

    my friend wired together an Eliza-like AI to his editor, and voilà, every function had a few lines of "documentation." The boss wasn't smart enough to understand that the lines meant nothing, so my friend was off the hook. His code was officially documented. I think he even got a promotion!

    He should have been shot.

    1. Re:Documentation by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The boss or the developer?

      Yes.

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    2. Re:Documentation by jeremyp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The functionality of a non private API must be documented. Requiring people to read the code in a function in order to find out what it is supposed to do is stupid.

      If a programmer changes the code in a function such that its API documentation is wrong, the documentation hasn't gone stale, the programmer introduced a bug.

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  6. long methods and coupling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    long methods - someone thought it a good idea to limit every method to no more than 20 lines. I think this is a terrible idea, and can make code unreadable, which leads to:
    coupling - it's often best to tightly couple things for ease of debugging and development. How often are you going to change the database you're using? Is it worth going through another abstraction for every database call? Too much abstraction makes code unwieldy.

    I'd rather have a bunch of 200 line methods that represent logical units of work than a call stack 20 layers deep.

  7. Dijkstra Nailed It by myrdos2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In short, I suggest that the programmer should continue to understand what he is doing, that his growing product remains firmly within his intellectual grip. It is my sad experience that this suggestion is repulsive to the average experienced programmer, who clearly derives a major part of his professional excitement from not quite understanding what he is doing. In this streamlined age, one of our most undernourished psychological needs is the craving for Black Magic and apparently the automatic computer can satisfy this need for the professional software engineer, who is secretly enthralled by the gigantic risks he takes in his daring irresponsibility. For his frustrations I have no remedy......

    --Edsger W. Dijkstra

  8. Re:GOTOs in C by halivar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Comp Sci professors teach "goto = bad" because the wisdom necessary to use it competently comes only with experience. It's like jazz; you have to know the rules and follow them before you can break them and not sound like a jack-ass.

  9. Lessons by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Variable and object naming, and commenting is an art-form that takes experience to do well. Here's a few practical guidelines I've learned follow:

    1. Think of newspaper headlines when commenting. Don't make somebody read the whole article to know what the article is about.

    2. Comment the "odd" stuff, not the obvious stuff infer-able from function name etc.

    3. Goldilocks Rule: Names both too long and too short can be bad.

    4. The more frequent a name is used, the shorter it should be. Use comments at declaration to give the full name. Example of a variable that may be used often:

    var dhv_id; // Department of Housing vendor ID

    If it's used often, I'd rather have an abbreviation than see DeptOfHousingVendorID all over the code, making it long and "wrappy".

    5. Everybody has their own preference, but you have to target the "average" developer (future unknown reader) to make code future-friendly.

    1. Re:Lessons by dark.nebulae · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've been programming for quite awhile and honestly I'm in the verbose commenting camp.

      Not because I'm worried about code reviews, handing the code off to anyone else or even following some company's arbitrary rules on how things should be documented.

      I use verbose comments so I don't have to remember what was done and why it was done that way. Frankly I've got too many other things that I'd rather remember.

      Granted verbose comments will make my code seem pretty old school, but I have yet to hear any questions from someone who picked up my code after I've left it.

      And I can go back to code and know what I was doing even if it was 5 years ago. Now I may laugh at myself and be amazed at just how much I didn't know even then, but I will totally understand what's in the code without having to guess.

    2. Re:Lessons by internerdj · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Think of newspaper headlines when commenting. Don't make somebody read the whole article to know what the article is about." You_won_t_believe_the_three_things_this_method_does(), This_method_just_announced_it_was_running_for_the_GOP_presidential_nomination(unsigned int year), Five_ways_to_make_your_integers_long(), ...

  10. Re:GOTOs in C by JustNiz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wow. WAY too much code for what it actually needs to be. Furthermore the fix functions have now leaked scope all the way to main().

  11. The Issue with programming. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We are hired to write new programs/new ways of solving a problem. Rules are made to solve common problems.
    If we only follow these rules we are limited to writing programs that have already been written, in that case we are just useless.
    If we know when to bend or break the rules, then we can create things that solve problems differently and is new and unique.

    When I work with programmers so are hard fixed on the right way to do things, I often get a response that x cannot be done. I break the rule and I have done it in a couple of days work, then they will go but you didn't follow the right form.
    The end user doesn't care about form, they care if it Works well, It can be maintained, and it is secure.

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    1. Re:The Issue with programming. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You sound are one of the "men of some parts whose cleverness sets them apart from their fellows, but not nearly so far as they imagine."

      If we only follow these rules we are limited to writing programs that have already been written...

      Non sequitur, and nonsensical. All major programming languages are Turing-complete, and should all be able to express the same statements/programs.

      When I work with programmers so are hard fixed on the right way to do things, I often get a response that x cannot be done.

      There are things that are impossible in computer science, e.g. solving the Halting Problem. Most programmers tend not to conflate the impossible with the difficult or computationally expensive; your doing so is not a good sign. Probably you're just using hyperbole to exaggerate your own competence. If not, your coworkers are likely also dullards, or you solved a different problem, or you introduced a subtle bug. Either way, breaking rules and ignoring your coworkers is enough to classify you as a bad coder, and your command of the English language makes me doubt your abilities in any other.

      I'm guessing you're self-taught, and hoping you work mostly alone, and I pity people who use your code.

  12. Re:Breaking out of the middle of a loop by PRMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He's still trotting out "rules" that were in vogue 15 years ago. Break, continue and early return are clean and inserted into every programming language eventually.

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  13. can't code, afraid of disapproval by anyaristow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems that many in the field these days are afraid to code something themselves for fear that someone will find fault. So, they do things "the established" way, which is generally frameworks or anything that can be called "reusable", even if this generation's "reusable" is always less reusable than last, because it keeps getting needlessly more complex to the point that nobody *can* reuse it.

    Used to be programmers had a fault we called "not invented here", in that they'd insist on re-writing things that already existed, because it was easier to understand their own code than to use someone else's. These days it's reversed. For fear of criticism, they *must* use someone else's code rather than write their own. I call it "afraid to invent it here."

  14. Re:GOTOs in C by halivar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So far we have 3 comments with the "right" way to do it that do nothing but add complexity and loss of readability for strict adherence to dogmatism imparted by our CS professors (few of whom had real-world programming experience).

    This is a straightforward problem. The suggested use of goto is a straightforward solution, and cleaner by far than the suggested alternatives. But most importantly, no one can demonstrate how it is wrong.