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Google Wants To Monitor Your Mental Health (telegraph.co.uk)
New submitter Alypius writes: Dr Tom Insel, the head of the NIH, will be joining Google Life Sciences to research how wearable technology, already used for monitoring physical activity and sleep, can be expanded to cover mental health issues such as depression. Dr. Insel will also be researching how to integrate tech to monitor other aspects of day-to-day living such as calorie and alcohol consumption.
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I, for one, definitely can't imagine how a plan by one of the world's more prominent advertising and 'consumer analytics' outfits to gather personal information about a heavily stigmatized class of disorders through a channel that will allow them to avoid any restrictions that might have applied to 'protected health information' could possibly go wrong. Seems like a great idea.
hell no
Certainly google's servers would burst into flames with the mental health states routinely on display here. I expect it would come back a lot like this Dilbert strip with Wally.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Yeah, I bet our mental health is what google is concerned with, not how to profit on it.
how many of the "refugees" are unattached single males with radical Islamic views?
So, if I were to Google "Dexter Morgan is my hero", will the men in white coats come knocking at my door?
Fuck you, Google.
In the past, believing that powerful global forces were watching your every action would have been evidence of paranoia. So I'd like to commend Google for effectively treating that delusional belief by turning it into a rational fear, and thus no longer a mental illness.
If you're using Google, a known privacy invasion vector, on purpose... you're crazy.
Pretending this is my office full of bitter coworkers..
Google is like a creepy uncle who you regularly catch rooting through your dirty underwear when you come home unexpectedly
Headline edit: "Google Wants To Monitor."
Pretending this is my office full of bitter coworkers..
If you use Gmail, they already have all the information to very accurately determine your state of mental health.
1984 thought police comes to mind...
My colon? Good.
Your LightSpeed Briefs (TM)
My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
Even if they don't volunteer to report dangerous deviations, they may be compelled to do so by the future Department of Justice.
And, given an already existing opinion — not all of it humorous — that certain political convictions are either coincidental to or outright symptomatic of a mental disorder, the future of political dissent is bleak indeed.
The way Google in particular treats their own workforce may be indicative of what may, one day, be in store for ordinary Internet-users — including "lay-offs", as submitting to the monitoring may become a condition for eligibility for the wonderful Google Fiber service.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Oh, I complained about google! I must be suffering from a mental disorder. Because those are always so easy to define ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ).
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Google wants to STRIP mine you for data. ...
FTFY.
After they strip mine your data, they're going to hang you by the ankles on a huge paint-shaker and shake whatever's left of your privacy out every orifice they can.
Then Google will break into your home and look under your couch cushions to make sure none of your privacy escaped them.
After your privacy is all dead, Google will go through your clothes looking for loose change.
Because they didn't get enough from "monetizing" your literally every last bit of your privacy in the first place.
I've been hearing big-brother paranoia theories for decades now. It used to be using credit cards - remember how that would allow the evil corporations to track your every move? Well, now everybody uses them for everything, and the world hasn't collapsed into a dystopian police state yet. And what about those threads in $20 bills? Have they rounded up all the cash yet?
Besides, this story isn't as evil as the headline states anyway - Google doesn't "want" to do anything, they're just doing research at this point. This is no different than using a heartbeat monitor to test for health problems, IMO.
Have you read my blog lately?
It's usually not difficult to notice that you've got a physical illness that's affecting you (although some people have managed to do it). It can be a lot more difficult to notice a mental illness, since it can seriously affect your perceptions. The last time I got serious clinical depression, I really didn't notice it, since keeping my mood positive is one of my coping strategies. My wife noticed it, sent me to the doctor, and I'm doing much better now. I'd be in trouble if it wasn't for her.
People living alone will be more susceptible to depression, and aren't going to have someone to warn them about it. Some sort of monitor could be life-saving.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
You are sick, you might want to seek a therapist for your empathy issues.
You are Anonymous, you might want to seek advice from a philosopher as to why some feel comfortable ascribing their identity to positive opinions, but seek anonymity when expressing negative ones.
Empathy is the basic human currency of civilization and its value has been debased by a 'fiat' system of pop-psychology political correctness, a hive phenomenon. Many ugly hivey things arise from it, like an institutionalized idea of 'mental health' that is little removed from religious judgement and (when it does not work) fervor, and the coddling of people with therapy/drugs/feedback who know damned well what is wrong with them because they are intelligent, and lack only the (mental, figurative) kick in the arse that they can only supply themselves. But now it will all be supervised by an Expert and it will begin, tomorrow. Or when the drugs kick in. Or when my girlfriend stops harassing me. Or when I'm good and ready.
Perhaps my MOD:FLAMEBAIT stern advice on syncing to the 24 hour clock and forcing yourself into regular habits --- before trying anything else --- would seem very different if it was served up by a Siri-sexy voice on a Google Wearable Device. How creepy is that. All watched over by machines of loving grace.
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I like the idea but battery technology just isn't there yet.
I think I'm going to go against the grain here because what Google is planning is exactly what people have been asking for recently. And you know what? I agree, at least, in the context of the US anyways.
As many are aware, the US has quite a higher number of serial killers than most countries, in addition to mass murderers. Lots of people are suggesting that revoking the second amendment is the solution, but not only is that going to be a wasted effort (you wouldn't even be able to get a portion of congress to be on board, and even then, an act of congress just isn't enough) but it likely won't solve any problems.
That said, it would be wise if we could better understand what motivates most people to do this when they do it, and address it from that angle. I think this would go a long way towards that end.
At least some of those people already had a history of mental health issues. It's how we care for those individuals and how we protect society from them that are the parts that are desperately in need of work.
Let me guess, some Democrat thought this was a good idea who more than likely attended liberal arts and social science school.
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why am I picturing a version of clippy with that?
Can you imagine the embedded ads now?
No, and HELL no!
>At least some of those people already had a history of mental health issues.
And the surprising thing is that it seems we can't keep guns out of their hands, either. I don't think anyone would stand up and argue for the rights of the mentally ill to carry firearms, but that has been the side effect of what we have actually practised.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Taking rights away from people with mental issues will encourage those same people to not seek help in the first place. It's a tricky issue.
Easy - easy access to guns.
In other countries, like say, Canada, guns are much harder to get, so you generally get the mentally ill doing oddball things and generally harming only themselves because the only weapon they get access to is a knife, or a stick. Usually also hopped up on some drug or other that you can get easily.
it's a crisis here too, but instead of them shooting everyone up, they get shot at by police.
That said, mental illness is a rather large problem (easily 1 in 3 have some form of it), and many cases aren't entirely visible, leading to families always claiming "he was never violent". And really, even if you tried to prevent it, a reasonably intelligent but mentally ill person would be able to acquire the necessary firepower in the US.
I think that's really the only difference - the reason we don't have mass shootings is because getting a gun is much harder - you either have to illegally obtain them, or if you try legal channels, there are many roadblocks in the way before you're given the gun (i.e., you need a permit).
So people who need help will no longer turn to the Internet for support. Gun control is a much better solution. It works elsewhere.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
They claim people are asking for this. Let the ones who want it wear the wearable data collector, and the rest just won't bother.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
You had a guy rampage through parliament a while back and there was what, one good guy with a tiny pistol to stop him? That doesn't sound ideal.
Gun control is dead-on-arrival unless you plan to amend the Constitution. I don't see it ever happening in the US in our lifetimes. Many people don't want to live in a country where the laws demand that they be defenseless, especially in a nation vast enough that for all practical purposes, there are no authorities to get immediate assistance from. What you're suggesting is no less of a change than suggesting that freedom of speech be taken away.
truth & mercy = justice long held spiritual axioms unchanged...
That has never been a spiritual axiom. For example, the old testament was "truth == justice". The new testament was "without mercy, you have nothing." Of course, with the "christian" nutbars out there using the old testament to bash people over the head/control people, it's understandable that many would make this mistake.
Be more like Jimmy Carter, less like Ben Carson.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Only there isn't any evidence to suggest that it does work elsewhere. There are many countries besides the US with even more liberal freedom for arms, yet the number of crimes involving them isn't anywhere near as high.
Besides that, serial killers in particular uncommonly use any type of firearm, as they tend to prefer means of execution that are up close and personal. The US also has the highest number of serial killers, with England (where even cooking knives are restricted) being in second place.
Regardless of whether or not somebody is a mass shooter or a serial killer (these are NOT the same, by the way) they already have to have a mindset that they absolutely hate the people that they are targeting, much in the same as serial rapists have to absolutely hate women (i.e. a regular person isn't normally capable of being a rapist.)
It would definitely help if we could figure out why people are more inclined to be like this in the US, and take steps to reverse that, rather than spending a crapload of energy trying to do something that's not only impractical, but not likely to solve any problems..
the coddling of people with therapy/drugs/feedback who know damned well what is wrong with them because they are intelligent, and lack only the (mental, figurative) kick in the arse that they can only supply themselves.
Hope you never get PTSD or Major Depressive Disorder. But hey, kick yourself in the arse all you want instead of seeking help. If it's serious enough and goes on long enough, you'll find that you can no longer push the dark clouds back no matter how hard you try.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Also, Canada is larger in area than the US, and people prefer to live here in part because of the lesser gun violence, in part because of universal health care, and in part because we don't let the NRA and right-wing religion into our politics.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
You want to go back to the earlier standard that denied equal rights to non-whites and non-property-owners? That's not going to happen. The attic bit is handled by the states, some require trigger locks, gun safes, or other measures.
I don't want to get into "my country is better than your country". If you like Canada, you can keep your Canada. I like the government the Constitution lays out and I hope some day the US will return to it. I'm not in favor of denying groups like the NRA or even labor unions from having their voices heard when it comes to politics. That would deny people their right to assemble and their right to free speech. I find it amusing that the supposedly pro-tolerance left always wants to silence everyone on the "evil right". Try honoring your own principles.
Well put. If you do not mind sharing, what is your political affiliation?
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
There are more religions than just those from Abraham. You may want to look to the East where such could be wedged in there with little problem. Such an axiom would fit nicely with some of the Hindu folks and with the Buddhists though the latter isn't likely to call it justice.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Unaffiliated. Would be conservative if there was such a party.
How affected have you been by serial killers? The chance of you dieing in a car accident is hugely larger than you getting killed by a serial killer.
I'm sure it is.
But hey, sure, spend money on fixing a non-existing/-affecting problem that gets you in the news instead of fixing real issues.
It's a lot better than spending even more money to not only take the effort to amend the constitution, but assuming it even passes, you're looking at drug war costs times 10 just to round up everybody's firearms, only instead of being able to ignore the violence because it's in Mexico, it's going to be here instead.
You'd probably fit under the Libertarian tent nicely but we've kind of been overrun by a vocal minority that are, truly, idiots so you might not want to. Unaffiliated seems wise.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Hey don't blame me - it was YOUR constitution that started out as a racist, misogynist document to preserve power only in the hands of old white men.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
How is the Hindu reincarnation system, (and the caste system) merciful, truthful, or justified? It's not.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Going by their judicial system, which was based on their beliefs -- not so much any more, truth and mercy did, indeed, equal justice. If one were able to admit their errors then the punitive response was lesser. Truth and mercy went hand in hand and justice was the result. That was the response that I was replying to. The rest is too subjective to determine accurately. We can not say, for example, that reincarnation is wrong. In fact, we can say that our atoms will one day (maybe) even be the parts of stars. We can't say, with any certainty, that the caste system is wrong - we can only equate it with our own ethics. Those are too subjective for me to opine on but I'd say that things like enabling lower castes to work and eat may be interpreted as merciful. Getting another shot at life may too be considered merciful and just.
You're a bit biased in your views and absolutely certain of your position. Whilst tempting to agree, I'm a bit more pragmatic.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
The problem is, as even Pontius Pilate allegedly said, "What is truth?" Truth and justice are subjective. Case in point - we are currently seeing a cardiologist named Guy Turcotte going through a second trial for killing his two young children (no double jeopardy laws here). A jury originally determined he was not criminally responsible at the time because of his mental state. But no matter what the outcome, even if we assume he was sane at the time, there's got to be something wrong or broken inside with someone who kills their kids. Doing this is so outside the norms that there's got to be something screwed up with their thinking process for them to believe this is a good course of action.
The worst part? If he was insane at the time, returning to sanity and realizing the true import of what he has done is the cruelest punishment possible. How does anyone live with that without it driving them insane?
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
We can only go by what they thought at the time. Just as they also felt it was just. What is truth is, well, subjective when it comes to reality. Using India as an example, they had one rules (very early on) who regularly chucked people into a hole in the middle of the city. If you were honest, he'd just chuck you in the hole. If you denied your offense then you got tortured and then chucked into the hole. 'Tis subjective. Just as you said. Which was, kind of, my point. They're not always like Abraham. I'm a Buddhist. (Not a good Buddhist, nor a fucking monk - I like that last part, I feel obligated to make sure that it's obvious.)
As for your question... Who knows if they're sane now? That's just too damned painful and I don't really have an answer. I'd argue that no sane person could commit such an offense and, if they could, we need to work on the definition of sanity. Also, you can be tried twice? I've Canadian citizenship but don't actually get in any trouble there so I'm entirely unfamiliar with the legal system. Here, you're found not guilty by way of insanity and that includes a caveat - in some cases. In some you're declared not fit enough to stand trial - which means when you are fit that you can be tried. If you're truly not guilty by way of insanity - where the court concludes the case and determines it as so, you're free to go when you're sane again - if you're sane again.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Canadian law allows for a a judge to order retrial on appeal by either party. That's what is happening in the Guy Turcotte case even as we speak. And if you weren't sane at the time of the offense, you are free to go. The caveat in both countries is for those who become unfit for trial after, not during, their crimes. Once they are again fit, they will usually be tried.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Do you have something (some source) that you know of where there's a good, in-depth, review and history of this? Now that we're wildly off-topic, it's piqued my interests quite a bit. I've done some searching but they'll all pretty much about current events/happenings. I'm hoping for something akin to an expose.
I honestly, well, I don't know how to feel about this. I can say that I empathize with the man but I don't - not fully. I can't possibly understand what it must be like in their head - especially if they were not sane at the time of the offense and full sanity has been had after the fact. That must be terrible. I'd string up or shoot myself. I did mention that I'm not a very good Buddhist. I simply couldn't handle the torment and my desire to be free would be too strong.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
In the Guy Turcotte case, the retrial is being done because of media attention against the verdict of not criminally responsible whipped up by his ex-wife and given a LOT of media play. In that sense, the retrial is unjust. The appeal should only have been allowed based on the merits of the case for an appeal.
In the US, in some cases the courts have ordered people to be medicated against their will so that they would be fit to face the death penalty at trial. Their argument is that anyone who is avoiding the death penalty by staying mentally ill is acting rationally. Kind of ignores the true nature of mental illnesses, especially psychosis.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.