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Paper Retracted After Anti-Immigrant Scientist Bans Use of His Software (sciencemag.org)
sciencehabit writes: An 11-year-old research paper describing Treefinder, a computer program used by evolutionary biologists, has been retracted after the program's developer banned its use in European countries he deemed too friendly to refugees. In September, German scientist Gangolf Jobb announced on his website that researchers in eight European countries, including Germany and the United Kingdom, were no longer allowed to use Treefinder, which builds phylogenetic trees from sequence data. The move sparked outrage among some scientists, and now, BMC Evolutionary Biology has pulled the 2004 paper describing the software because the license change 'breaches the journal's editorial policy on software availability.'
Hahaha. Fuck this Neo-Nazi fucktard.
What goes around comes around.
Let's do it!
Because two wrongs always make a right, correct?
The real question here is who is being more immature, the researcher or the publisher.
The man is a patriot
So the response to a tool becoming unavailable is to make information about the tool unavailable? I appreciate that this is supposed to put some pressure on Jobb, and I enjoy petty acts of spite against nutjobs as much as the next guy. But this seems like it just further harms the tool users (and potential tool users), not so much Jobb.
Anti-Muslim "refugee" != Anti-immigrant
The most egregious yet prevalent error in modern news reporting, is to conflate someone being against ILLEGAL immigration with someone being against LEGAL immigration.
If you can't understand why someone who does not want people who are by definition criminals entering the country in large numbers, then heaven help you - because reality certainly will not and history just laughs at you.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Is it even possible to retroactively change the terms of a software license like that?
Or did the new license only apply to new versions of the software?
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
German laws criminalize hate speech. This is attempting to incite a backlash against immigrants. Why isn't it being punished for the hate speech it is? Why is this developer permitted to do this if he's residing in Germany?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
This is why scientific software should to be open source.
It would be wonderful if, on an internet forum, we could have a discussion about a topic such as this without virtue signaling. For whatever reason, it seems impossible.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
Jobb felt the need to elaborate on his stance. "My software helps scientists map the tree of life and find common ancestors among all humans," he says. "I just don't want that tree growing in my backyard, or those ancestors living in my town."
Is it even possible to retroactively change the terms of a software license like that?
It is if the license requires users to obtain a copy of the software directly from the publisher, not from a redistributor.
License Revocation clauses are common. ....
Just ask Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, Adobe, Google, HP, AT&T, Verizon,
"we may revoke your license to use the software at any time for any reason" is a common wording.
"Immigration is the huge corporations' interest, not peoples' interest. I am not against helping refugees, but they would have to be kept strictly separated from us Europeans, for some limited time only until they return home, and not being integrated here as cheap workers and additional consumers. Immigration unnecessarily defers the collapse of capitalism, its final crisis. The earlier the system crashes, the more damage can be avoided. Possibly a civil war in Europe." - http://treefinder.de/
Certainly didn't expect his goal to hasten the fall of capitalism to be his justification.
Might just be easier to ask it that way.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
Treefinder has been dead for about a decade. If youre still using im surprised you have enough data from it to continue a grant proposal, but i hope you'll consider other more functional applications like PHYLIP PAUP MEGA Phylo_win ARB or DAMBE
hybridization or recombination events got you down? concaterpillar to the rescue. http://rogerlab.biochemistryan...
distance matrix analyses on nucleotide or protein sequences? seriously, get a copy of ODIN. while i couldnt get funding for a beefier desktop, i DID get compute time on our university supercomputer and ODIN absolutely screams on linux.
Good people go to bed earlier.
They could treat the policy like some countries are treating their immigration laws.
They are, namely following them. The journal's publisher is following its policy of retracting papers that rely on unavailable software. And some countries are using their sovereign authority to grant asylum to those who qualify as refugees.
This software has been around since 2004... was it ever released under a standard open source license, or does the code include any derivative works from other programs or projects that were released under the GPL, etc.?
I'd keep using his software.
What's he going to do about it? Make more noise? Sue?
Bigotry wilts in the sunlight.
License change and re-release in February 2015:
Starting from 1st February 2015, I do no longer permit the usage of my TREEFINDER software in the USA. For all other countries, the old license agreement remains valid.
http://www.treefinder.de/
They need access to affordable healthcare! Everyone in the world should enjoy the same standard of life as American citizens.
Your accusation of virtue signalling is invading my safe space.
I wonder, what — if any — other applications of this policy can be found. Has there ever been another case of this same publication withdrawing an already published article over "software availability"?
I also wonder, if they'd have acted, if the license-changes were aimed not at immigration-supporters, but at, say, "Nazi-sympathizers" or "Global Warming-deniers"?
My own license for a tiny open-source program bans owners of Che Guevara items from using it — would these distinguished editors find that offensive as well?
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
You'll use it like I tell you to use it, and when I decide I want to change how you use it you'll fucking change how you use it.
Copyright, bitch. Death plus seventy years - all the way to your great-grandchildren.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
It's a phrase that's been beaten to death, but it applies here:
"The correct response to speech you do not agree with is more speech, not censorship."
My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
http://www.treefinder.de/
Original License
License change and re-release in February 2015:
Updated Oct 2105:
He broke their policy, they acted accordingly. This is neither news nor politics.
What a bad summary. Refugee != immigration.
The documentation suggests this software is fairly trivial. Presumably anyone still using it will set aside an afternoon and reimplement it?
If a person is pardoned, it does not mean that prior to the pardon they were not a criminal.
There may be good reasons to pardon someone (or to grant asylum) but that is still a VERY different thing than supporting legal immigration which people traditionally apply for.
You can still be even for a large increase of LEGAL immigration vs. any kind of amnesty for those willing to spend the effort or money to break into the country illegally.
Of course you do realize supporting mostly amnesty instead of legal immigration is support for the privileged (who can pay tens of thousands in smuggling fees) or true criminals? You pretty much eliminate the middle class, unlike legal immigration which is much more even-handed in letting anyone apply.
If you like furthering inequality there is no better way I can think of than supporting amnesty for illegal immigrants.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
WTF is "virtue signaling"? Am I already behind by another new term?
Appended to the end of comments you post. 120 chars.
On a less polite side note, your comment sounds quite xenophobic.
Why? I am for a massive expansion of LEGAL immigration. But you have to make the process fair, the way the current system works is those strong enough or with the most resources get to come into a country and take up room and jobs that could have been had by LEGAL immigrants, who are crowded out.
Do you often push people out of the way to go to the head of lines? Because that is what is happening here, the most privileged are denying the weak or poor chances at immigration they would otherwise have.
I'm not xenophobic but you ARE classist; you just don't realize how.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
When you signal, or indicate, or make obvious; your righteous, virtuous feelings and opinions on a subject.
This is in order to establish your reputation as virtuous.
Examples are plentiful in this thread.
Not that it is a new story. Already discussed in this very same site
So he's punishing scientists who have little or nothing to do with their nation's policies, regardless of whether those nations' policies are good or bad? Where is the logic in that? Luckily, scientists working in Syria are still allowed to use it. Also luckily, there are plenty of alternatives. http://phylogenetic.software.i...
Although he is not very semantically clear on the point, it seems like he is only against the mass influx of people currently being called "immigration".
Do you really think he'd be against against immigration through the normal channels? It does not seem like that, because across Europe today to immigrate to the Schengen region you have to prove you are financially self-sufficient. He is against poor immigrants who come in with no means of support in large numbers.
How can these immigrants be ILLEGAL when the countries named allow them entry?
Just because you do not enforce a law does not mean it does not exist. What would happen do you think if you or I tried to enter exactly the same way?
Are the majority of people in this wave criminals?
All of them are, by definition.
The UN seems to disagree with you.
The same UN that whistles and looks away while human right abuses continue in China and the middle east? Nice moral authority you've chained yourself to.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Gracias AC
Appended to the end of comments you post. 120 chars.
I don't think there is yet a clear legal precedent about what conditions in EULAs are and aren't legally binding. I want some German person to actually use this software, get sued and take this to Strasbourg, or maybe some higher court. I'm very confident that any sane court would rule that the researcher broke no law in using the software while German, and this is what we need to invalidate many other stupid conditions stipulated in software EULAs.
Them immigrants - they done terkk his jerb!
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
You clearly have never been to a Home Depot in the morning on a work day.
This is why I will never say anything bad about Mexican immigrants. You see dozens of them out at Home Depot waiting patiently for hard work. I have NEVER seen a unemployed white guy out there. I only ever see white people standing on street corners with cardboard signs, begging for handouts. I welcome immigrants (documented or otherwise) willing to come to our country and work hard to get ahead. Good for them. The only welfare leeches I see are the native citizens with a sense of entitlement that aren't willing to try to do some real work when they are unemployed.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
The earlier the system crashes, the more damage can be avoided. Possibly a civil war in Europe. Not to mention the loss of our European genetic and cultural heritage.
What about our precious bodily fluids?
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
- Charles Darwin
The author believes his home country is too generous to outsiders which he feels harms his self-interest. In response, he withholds permission to use his software to further harm his nation which would seem to also harm his self-interest in indirect ways.
Interestingly, he also protests US imperialism which he admits Europe is an accessory too. However, fewer refugees being created would be a natural consequence of stopping imperialism. So why doesn't he just focus his energy on that issue?
Democracy Now! - your daily, uncensored, corporate-free
Most of these people are economic migrants, not refugees. In the case of Syrians now flooding into Europe, for example, most did not come directly from Syria — they came from migrant camps in Turkey. Turkey is a stable and safe country, but doesn't provide quite the level of social services and economic opportunities that a Western European country does. Of course, as has been pointed out in various places, the German government is worried about an aging population and needs young workers, so they opened the gates under the pretense of humanitarian reasons — preservation of culture, values, and social cohesion be damned.
"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
Many moons ago I worked part time in Berkeley. Frequently the store would have homeless people sleeping or just generally loitering in the vicinity. The Boss (tm) came up with the bright idea to try to hire them to sweep up the fallen leaves and litters around the store. His "kind" offer of $5 an hour (when minimum wage was $6 + change) were rejected by every single homeless persons in the area; apparently they were getting $15+ an hour panhandling on fairly consistent basis.
He took his ball and went home.
That's where they should go to. Same religion, relative peace, passable standards of living, an entire nation to be built, etc.
Thankfully, his download link still works here in Texas. Looks like someone has not done his due diligence to protect his intellectual property!
fighting age men. They have a responsibility to stay home and FIGHT. If they run away, then they are either the worthless sort who will not stand for what is right in any new land, or they are (more likely) quiet jihadi's importing all the evil and dysfunction of the Muslim world into the civilized world.
Women, ACTUAL children (not the 18- to 30-year old males that Merkel is demanding be permitted across Europe's borders) and the elderly might well be refugees but able-bodied men are NOT refugees and have an absolute moral duty to fight and oppose the spread of evil when it spreads in their lands. Saudi Arabia and other rich Arab and Muslim countries are not taking in these refugees and are not giving significant aid to the fight against the radical jihadis precisely because this is the further spread of Islam into the formerly Jewish and Christian lands on Europe.
Mohammed taught his followers to take over non Muslim lands by any means possible - peacefully by moving in and marrying multiple local women where possible, or violently by the sword where the tactic was required. Westerners have been so focused on the violent Jihadis and so self-critical and politically correct that they've been actually sponsoring the peaceful jihad and the conquest of their own lands without even realizing it. This is cultural suicide and it absolutely will not end well.
When you signal, or indicate, or make obvious; your righteous, virtuous feelings and opinions on a subject.
This is in order to establish your reputation as virtuous.
But people need to know how much better I am than the unenlightened. How are they supposed to understand that in a short thread or Slashdot story without just coming right out with the outrage?
Most progressives love it when a license agreement is used to foist a political point of view on other people. The GPL is a very political license. It's funny to see that when somebody exercises the right to apply his own license to his own software with a political agenda progressives don't like they get upset.
I personally liked the "good old days" before a soviet-style crap-sandwich of "everything is political" arose in America. Software licenses USED to just be about how many copies of an application could be made, bans on de-compiling, etc. and not any political agendas.
You kids, git off my lawn!
Make immigrants program an open source version of that software, and re-publish the paper replacing that shitty software.. Maybe thank those immigrants by giving them residency too.. Problem solved.
This has been a problem since before humans were humans, humans and most other primates are highly territorial, they naturally form tribes with a hierarchical social structure. It's possible our invention of civilization will eventually change that but it hasn't happened yet, however it has dramatically changed the size of our tribes from a few hundred to hundreds of millions and those who attempt to swap tribes are likely to survive the ordeal, the behaviour of our species is moving away from the standard primate model, it now behaves like a cross between human tribalism and a technologically advanced termite mound.
At the end of the day the fighting is always about resources but we justify and rationalise it with our natural xenophobia. This is the way "nature intended", it is in the wetware toolbox we were given at birth. Peaceful co-existence in a land of plenty is what we all want, ironically our xenophobic tendencies mean we are more than willing to wipe out other tribes to get it.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
All NAZIs are stupid
What a legend,
someone who has the balls to stand up for his people/country.
Keep ranting on about your PC rubbish though, please. It's entertaining.
Reminds me of grsecurity and how they've closed source their stable patches even though it's a derivative work.
His license restriction won't work in the United States. He says "USA has already been excluded from using Treefinder in February 2015," but his exclusion is ineffective in the United States. You can download his work without agreeing to any license, and under United States law, once you lawfully possess a copy of a protected work, you need neither a license nor permission to use it. 17 USC 106 lists the things you do need a license or permission to do, such as preparing derivative works or distributing copies. Mere use is absolutely not covered.
And it would be somewhat silly if it worked any other way. Say you bought a book at the bookstore. Do you still need a license to read it? If so, where is that license? What are its terms?
Under United States law, one who lawfully possesses a protected work is entitled to the ordinary use of that work.
Sadly, his manifesto would be endorsed by the majority of people even in the countries he hates for welcoming immigrants. We freely allow the migration of money, but, but not people. Jobs don't have to climb a border wall, cross a sea or desert or even get a visa before leaving their home country.
Countries such as the US treat corporations as people, except when it comes to national borders. We require a passport for living-breathing people but not for corporations. I've never heard of a corporation being held against its will for decades in a prison/refugee camp while its immigration status is being evaluated. Corporations needn't cross deserts or crowd onto rickety boats. They are seldom convicted of treason or Logan act violations regardless of the havoc and resentment they create as representatives of their homeland in other parts of the world.
We don't bat an eye when a wealthy businessman distorts a third-world economy with their holiday home or an expat REIT vulture fund managed by former US VP Dan Quayle acquires and ruthlessly forecloses on hundreds of properties in Northern Ireland's 6 counties. Your portfolio now "owns" land that the Irish have struggled over for generations.
Gangolf, I don't know what immigrants did to you to make you so angry. I am one of the 232 million people who live outside my birth country. If we were counted, 0th generation immigrants would be the 5th most populous country in the world, ahead of Brazil. But we are shunned and labelled as if refugee == immigrant == illegal. I'm truly surprised that you count the US as a country that is "too welcoming." As an insular isolationist, you might not be aware that US immigration policy has changed considerably since the waves of 19th and early 20th century immigrants. The US solved its 1990s boat people crisis by warehousing refugees at Gitmo. It's solving the central American crisis by building a wall and letting people die. "Illegal" is a good definition of these border policies which violate international law. Rest assured that I will never use your software until you understand more about the people who provide a convenient scapegoat for politicians and a convenient target for your hate.
Does this mean BMC Evolutionary Biology over time will retract all papers they have published as software for various reasons becomes unavailable? What will the back catalogue look like in 50 years?
Yes. I vote BSD license spun in that manner.
WTF is "virtue signaling"? Am I already behind by another new term?
It's a meaningless right wing distractionary smear phrase like "SJW".
If I say something like "racism is a bad thing" then the reactionaries know they can't actually disagree and say that racism is a good thing, so instead I get accused of showing off how right-on and non-racist I am.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015
Where'd I say it? I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...
See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.
+ Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
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I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts update (WFP/SFP)!
"figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015
How else can I programmatically update it?
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"it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015
Hypocrite later admits it!
Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do its job fully like many security tools!
Guess what?
Don't NEED to run my program as ADMIN - I do it here manually vs. auto.
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"Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
Users set it, not programmatic impersonation for autoupdate. You design zero & say what's what here?
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"90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:
"I resolved to use antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"
It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...
APK
P.S.=> Continued in #2/5... apk
"Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = VASTLY INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I've proven w/ noone proved me wrong to date!
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"your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP!
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"won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...
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"What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
I don't keep a server. You're a security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code) & I only put in hardcodes of fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of the file is sorted blocked known bad threat origins.
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"the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
See just above!
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"What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
Hasn't happened!
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"They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
It still works there!
APK
P.S.=> To be continued in part #3/5... apk
"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)
62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:
Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
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Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
&
Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...
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MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:
"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)
"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)
"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)
"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)
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You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...
Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap fraud also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!
* YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!
APK
P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk
"nowhere in there did you actually say what you are using that isn't a proxy/VPN" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)
I don't use proxies/VPN (or anonymous relays).
"APK ... uses anonymous relays to get around the limits of posting anonymous" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
I'm not stupid enough to do what YOU want (make me as stupid as an easily tracked for retrolling sheep like you).
There's 3-4 ways to do what I do & those? Aren't them in your mistake accusations.
What I do, like all I do = FAST + EFFICIENT, NO extra "moving parts" - less IS more = GOOD engineering, using what you have natively vs. "Bolting on 'MoAr'" stupidly & illogically.
You're MCSE, networking admin 'god', & security guru (not) - figure it out, I gave clues - I'm NOT going to tell you!
All you know is I do it WHEN combatting little scumbags like you that hide behind fake names online trolling me.
It works, like all I do does with testimonials to that effect no less.
"it's funny how little you know of security APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)
Funny how little you know in computing (no code, especially for security - I have it. You don't)
(& you're stumped on an anti-troll technique I use too!)
I've long ago done far more than you will or have in the art & science of computing! For security?
CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... & MILLIONS use it.
APK
P.S.=> To be continued in part #5/5... apk
"but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
Hypocrite, I show you're projecting in my posts. What "advice" can you, an INFERIOR to me, like yourself give?
"I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
I've shown /.'er saying differently - Show us you've done better: YOU can't - & you're "advising"? Talking out your ass on things you haven't done is what you're doing.
"posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
Quotes of you are true! You can't keep your word as you're replying to me yet again + projecting what I prove YOU do (AD/DNS lie).
"I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)
No troll. I protect users for free w/ a program that speeds them up, helps reliability, & even anonymity online w/ more abilities & efficiency than ANY other 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.
"Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
"Rile" me? Childish sig bs is all you've got!
"I have repeatedly refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
BS - See my last 4 posts here!
APK
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"I never admitted you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
You PROVE I AM FOR ME part #1-#5 of your "Greatest Hits Fails"... apk
"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015
Where'd I say it? I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...
See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.
+ Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
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I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts update (WFP/SFP)!
"figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015
How else can I programmatically update it?
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"it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015
Hypocrite later admits it!
Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do its job fully like many security tools!
Guess what?
Don't NEED to run my program as ADMIN - I do it here manually vs. auto.
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"Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
Users set it, not programmatic impersonation for autoupdate. You design zero & say what's what here?
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"90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:
"I resolved to use antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"
It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...
APK
P.S.=> Continued in #2/5... apk
"Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = VASTLY INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I've proven w/ noone proved me wrong to date!
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"your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP!
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"won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...
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"What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
I don't keep a server. You're a security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code) & I only put in hardcodes of fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of the file is sorted blocked known bad threat origins.
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"the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
See just above!
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"What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
Hasn't happened!
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"They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
It still works there!
APK
P.S.=> To be continued in part #3/5... apk
"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)
62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:
Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
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Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
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Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...
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MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:
"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)
"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)
"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)
"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)
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You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...
Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap fraud also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!
* YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!
APK
P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk
"nowhere in there did you actually say what you are using that isn't a proxy/VPN" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)
I don't use proxies/VPN (or anonymous relays).
"APK ... uses anonymous relays to get around the limits of posting anonymous" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
I'm not stupid enough to do what YOU want (make me as stupid as an easily tracked for retrolling sheep like you).
There's 3-4 ways to do what I do & those? Aren't them in your mistake accusations.
What I do, like all I do = FAST + EFFICIENT, NO extra "moving parts" - less IS more = GOOD engineering, using what you have natively vs. "Bolting on 'MoAr'" stupidly & illogically.
You're MCSE, networking admin 'god', & security guru (not) - figure it out, I gave clues - I'm NOT going to tell you!
All you know is I do it WHEN combatting little scumbags like you that hide behind fake names online trolling me.
It works, like all I do does with testimonials to that effect no less.
"it's funny how little you know of security APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)
Funny how little you know in computing (no code, especially for security - I have it. You don't)
(& you're stumped on an anti-troll technique I use too!)
I've long ago done far more than you will or have in the art & science of computing! For security?
CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... & MILLIONS use it.
APK
P.S.=> To be continued in part #5/5... apk
"but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
Hypocrite, I show you're projecting in my posts. What "advice" can you, an INFERIOR to me, like yourself give?
"I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
I've shown /.'er saying differently - Show us you've done better: YOU can't - & you're "advising"? Talking out your ass on things you haven't done is what you're doing.
"posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
Quotes of you are true! You can't keep your word as you're replying to me yet again + projecting what I prove YOU do (AD/DNS lie).
"I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)
No troll. I protect users for free w/ a program that speeds them up, helps reliability, & even anonymity online w/ more abilities & efficiency than ANY other 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.
"Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
"Rile" me? Childish sig bs is all you've got!
"I have repeatedly refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
BS - See my last 4 posts here!
APK
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"I never admitted you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
You PROVE I AM FOR ME part #1-#5 of your "Greatest Hits Fails"... apk
Illegals come over our border without our permission.
That is just an accusation in the form of a tautology. Of course they come over our border without our permission, that is why they are called illegals.
They bring in drugs which ruin the lives of our citizens, some of them are rapists and murderers and continue their habits when they're here.
As opposed to the citizens who are already ruining their lives with drugs sold by native citizens? Lol, I am so glad you are keen on saving us from dirty 'foreign' drugs. Also, rapists and murders? Really? Why not call em' godless commies too, since you are throwing around baseless labels.
They use up welfare that our productive citizens worked hard to pay the taxes for-- and the illegal immigrants don't pay into this system, or if some do they don't pay nearly as much as a citizen does.
Not sure how they do that without a SSN or birth certificate, but its your racist rant.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!