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Paper Retracted After Anti-Immigrant Scientist Bans Use of His Software (sciencemag.org)
sciencehabit writes: An 11-year-old research paper describing Treefinder, a computer program used by evolutionary biologists, has been retracted after the program's developer banned its use in European countries he deemed too friendly to refugees. In September, German scientist Gangolf Jobb announced on his website that researchers in eight European countries, including Germany and the United Kingdom, were no longer allowed to use Treefinder, which builds phylogenetic trees from sequence data. The move sparked outrage among some scientists, and now, BMC Evolutionary Biology has pulled the 2004 paper describing the software because the license change 'breaches the journal's editorial policy on software availability.'
Let's do it!
There is no question. The publisher is reacting to the change in license as well they should. Regardless of the motivation the license change violates their policy. What's the point of having a policy and then not following it?
So the response to a tool becoming unavailable is to make information about the tool unavailable? I appreciate that this is supposed to put some pressure on Jobb, and I enjoy petty acts of spite against nutjobs as much as the next guy. But this seems like it just further harms the tool users (and potential tool users), not so much Jobb.
The most egregious yet prevalent error in modern news reporting, is to conflate someone being against ILLEGAL immigration with someone being against LEGAL immigration.
If you can't understand why someone who does not want people who are by definition criminals entering the country in large numbers, then heaven help you - because reality certainly will not and history just laughs at you.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Is it even possible to retroactively change the terms of a software license like that?
Or did the new license only apply to new versions of the software?
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
I spent 3 years in Germany while in the US air force. While I found the German people to be very friendly for the most part I did notice a decided antipathy towards foreign immigrants from Turkey. It sort of surprised me but then I thought about it and it pretty much paralleled how many people in the US act towards Mexican immigrants.
German laws criminalize hate speech. This is attempting to incite a backlash against immigrants. Why isn't it being punished for the hate speech it is? Why is this developer permitted to do this if he's residing in Germany?
How is this action wrong? If you violate the policy for having your paper published it then gets retracted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
This is why scientific software should to be open source.
It would be wonderful if, on an internet forum, we could have a discussion about a topic such as this without virtue signaling. For whatever reason, it seems impossible.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
The researcher has decided to act like a childish asshole.
The publisher has said "unfortunately, due to your stupid manifesto we can no longer carry this paper because it violates our policy".
This guy is perfectly allowed to go all crazy and issue his manifesto of "you can't use my stuff". That doesn't mean that other entities are required to keep hosting his stuff.
The publisher is following a policy, and the people who wrote the paper agree.
So, really, the only one acting immature is the childish idiot who has decided he's taking his ball and going home, and making up random rules about who can use his software.
But he can own that decision and the consequences.
This isn't two wrongs making a right, this is an idiot living with the real world consequences of being an idiot.
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Is it even possible to retroactively change the terms of a software license like that?
It is if the license requires users to obtain a copy of the software directly from the publisher, not from a redistributor.
License Revocation clauses are common. ....
Just ask Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, Adobe, Google, HP, AT&T, Verizon,
"we may revoke your license to use the software at any time for any reason" is a common wording.
This is two groups: Gangolf Jobb and the editors of BMC Evolutionary Biology fully exercising their rights.
Gangolf Jobb has every right to license his software in any way he sees fit.
The editors of BMC Evolutionary Biology have every right to set the publication policy for their journal.
Everyone has a right to look like an ass in public.
And nothing of value was lost. Just use ape.
"Immigration is the huge corporations' interest, not peoples' interest. I am not against helping refugees, but they would have to be kept strictly separated from us Europeans, for some limited time only until they return home, and not being integrated here as cheap workers and additional consumers. Immigration unnecessarily defers the collapse of capitalism, its final crisis. The earlier the system crashes, the more damage can be avoided. Possibly a civil war in Europe." - http://treefinder.de/
Certainly didn't expect his goal to hasten the fall of capitalism to be his justification.
Might just be easier to ask it that way.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
Treefinder has been dead for about a decade. If youre still using im surprised you have enough data from it to continue a grant proposal, but i hope you'll consider other more functional applications like PHYLIP PAUP MEGA Phylo_win ARB or DAMBE
hybridization or recombination events got you down? concaterpillar to the rescue. http://rogerlab.biochemistryan...
distance matrix analyses on nucleotide or protein sequences? seriously, get a copy of ODIN. while i couldnt get funding for a beefier desktop, i DID get compute time on our university supercomputer and ODIN absolutely screams on linux.
Good people go to bed earlier.
They could treat the policy like some countries are treating their immigration laws.
They are, namely following them. The journal's publisher is following its policy of retracting papers that rely on unavailable software. And some countries are using their sovereign authority to grant asylum to those who qualify as refugees.
This software has been around since 2004... was it ever released under a standard open source license, or does the code include any derivative works from other programs or projects that were released under the GPL, etc.?
License change and re-release in February 2015:
Starting from 1st February 2015, I do no longer permit the usage of my TREEFINDER software in the USA. For all other countries, the old license agreement remains valid.
http://www.treefinder.de/
One of the main reasons there are issues with migrants in Europe right now is the very fact that Germany declared itself a free for all with no way for those migrants to make it to Germany without forcing the countries in the migrants paths to break their own laws.
I think the thing that is really going to bite Europe in the butt with this is the fact that if even 0.1% of those migrants are radicalized then Europe is going to end up with large numbers of terrorists in their midst. I would also bet its more then 0.1%
I wonder, what — if any — other applications of this policy can be found. Has there ever been another case of this same publication withdrawing an already published article over "software availability"?
I also wonder, if they'd have acted, if the license-changes were aimed not at immigration-supporters, but at, say, "Nazi-sympathizers" or "Global Warming-deniers"?
My own license for a tiny open-source program bans owners of Che Guevara items from using it — would these distinguished editors find that offensive as well?
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Europe is facing that already. Look at what happened in Paris with Charlie Hebdo, then the wave of violence and terror related arrests throughout many countries in the region following those attacks. There's debate as to whether or not Germany is even obeying its laws, because a lot of these "refugees" don't really seem to meet the definition of the term. They're migrating for economic reasons, not necessarily because they fear for their lives. Germany is rejecting a significant number of them, but that just adds to the chaos.
It sort of surprised me but then I thought about it and it pretty much paralleled how many people in the US act towards Mexican immigrants.
Legal or illegal Mexican immigrants? I live in San Antonio and we are extremely tolerant toward legal Mexican immigrants. The Mexican Americans are not please with the illegal ones due to the jobs and resources they lose/share. For the most part, they really look down on them.
Besides organizations like LaRaza, most of the support for illegal Mexicans comes from white people - usually either due to reasons of "white guilt" or cheap labor.
Yes, kind of crazy the software helps study immigration of the past, but he does not think it should be happening now.
You'll use it like I tell you to use it, and when I decide I want to change how you use it you'll fucking change how you use it.
Copyright, bitch. Death plus seventy years - all the way to your great-grandchildren.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
http://www.treefinder.de/
Original License
License change and re-release in February 2015:
Updated Oct 2105:
Thing is, in the EU (as in, throughout the EU), the antipathy is a lot higher, and for good reason: As a general guideline, unemployment is usually a touch higher than in the US, and job growth is a touch lower (though in some countries this difference is rather dramatic), leading to a lot of antagonism.
Recently, it's grown primarily because of the actions and crimes committed by a number of these migrants, as well as the increased strain on the far-more-generous social welfare systems of these countries (which as a corollary, appears to be leading to even higher taxation).
If you think the Germans are vicious about it, you should take a gander at Nebelspalter (a Swiss parody magazine) and look up the opinions there on the subject...
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
You clearly don't work in IT/IS/ or as a programmer.
Refugees should probably not just mean people who are migrating to a wealthier place to get on the dole.
I've seen plenty of them working. They harvest crops, work construction, pave roads or anything where they need cheap labor. If it weren't for the flood of people from South of the border I don't know how all this stuff would get done. We'd probably have to make all the people on welfare go back to work.
If a person is pardoned, it does not mean that prior to the pardon they were not a criminal.
There may be good reasons to pardon someone (or to grant asylum) but that is still a VERY different thing than supporting legal immigration which people traditionally apply for.
You can still be even for a large increase of LEGAL immigration vs. any kind of amnesty for those willing to spend the effort or money to break into the country illegally.
Of course you do realize supporting mostly amnesty instead of legal immigration is support for the privileged (who can pay tens of thousands in smuggling fees) or true criminals? You pretty much eliminate the middle class, unlike legal immigration which is much more even-handed in letting anyone apply.
If you like furthering inequality there is no better way I can think of than supporting amnesty for illegal immigrants.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
You clearly have never been to a Home Depot in the morning on a work day.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
WTF is "virtue signaling"? Am I already behind by another new term?
Appended to the end of comments you post. 120 chars.
On a less polite side note, your comment sounds quite xenophobic.
Why? I am for a massive expansion of LEGAL immigration. But you have to make the process fair, the way the current system works is those strong enough or with the most resources get to come into a country and take up room and jobs that could have been had by LEGAL immigrants, who are crowded out.
Do you often push people out of the way to go to the head of lines? Because that is what is happening here, the most privileged are denying the weak or poor chances at immigration they would otherwise have.
I'm not xenophobic but you ARE classist; you just don't realize how.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I agree with most of that, but I think you missed the most important point: why is key academic software not open source? I'm all for this guy's right to publish software under any license he chooses, but why would you embrace such software in the academic community? IMO, that's the lesson here.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
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Illegal immigration is pretty damn high, but I guess you have numbers to show this significant reduction.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fac...
The numbers are about half of what Trump says the numbers are though:
http://www.politifact.com/flor...
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
you state this, "The researcher has decided to act like a childish asshole."
Care to explain?
love is just extroverted narcissism
Yep, not just Germany. Check out the violent crime and rape stats in Sweden: http://www.gatestoneinstitute....
It's not so much that the statistics went up, it's that the courts are sympathizing with the rapists! Mind-boggling.
P.S. to mods: This is not a troll. This is data.
The summary is correct. He is against all immigration, both refugee and otherwise.
So he's punishing scientists who have little or nothing to do with their nation's policies, regardless of whether those nations' policies are good or bad? Where is the logic in that? Luckily, scientists working in Syria are still allowed to use it. Also luckily, there are plenty of alternatives. http://phylogenetic.software.i...
Although he is not very semantically clear on the point, it seems like he is only against the mass influx of people currently being called "immigration".
Do you really think he'd be against against immigration through the normal channels? It does not seem like that, because across Europe today to immigrate to the Schengen region you have to prove you are financially self-sufficient. He is against poor immigrants who come in with no means of support in large numbers.
How can these immigrants be ILLEGAL when the countries named allow them entry?
Just because you do not enforce a law does not mean it does not exist. What would happen do you think if you or I tried to enter exactly the same way?
Are the majority of people in this wave criminals?
All of them are, by definition.
The UN seems to disagree with you.
The same UN that whistles and looks away while human right abuses continue in China and the middle east? Nice moral authority you've chained yourself to.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Gracias AC
Appended to the end of comments you post. 120 chars.
or you can pay a decent wage?
What censorship? The publication has a rule that the software must be available for papers about software, and the software is not available. Was it also 'censorship' when the paper linking vaccines to autism was retracted?
I don't think there is yet a clear legal precedent about what conditions in EULAs are and aren't legally binding. I want some German person to actually use this software, get sued and take this to Strasbourg, or maybe some higher court. I'm very confident that any sane court would rule that the researcher broke no law in using the software while German, and this is what we need to invalidate many other stupid conditions stipulated in software EULAs.
And the paper is theirs to pull.
Everybody wins.
You are welcome on my lawn.
So extremely tolerant that it is now a major rhetorical issue even though illegal immigration is 1/4 of what it was a decade ago and illegal Mexican immigration has fallen by 1/2.
It's been a problem for a long time, not just now. It was a big enough problem that Reagan gave mass amnesty in exchange for stronger borders and the understanding that mass amnesty would never need to be offered again.
Them immigrants - they done terkk his jerb!
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I'd like to see a written copy of said policy prior to this guy's changing his licensing terms, and I'd particularly like to see how it affects an 11-year old paper.
This is a political move, through and through.
You clearly have never been to a Home Depot in the morning on a work day.
This is why I will never say anything bad about Mexican immigrants. You see dozens of them out at Home Depot waiting patiently for hard work. I have NEVER seen a unemployed white guy out there. I only ever see white people standing on street corners with cardboard signs, begging for handouts. I welcome immigrants (documented or otherwise) willing to come to our country and work hard to get ahead. Good for them. The only welfare leeches I see are the native citizens with a sense of entitlement that aren't willing to try to do some real work when they are unemployed.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
If the journal has a policy about software licensing, they need to follow it. It's not about this jackass, it's about remaining consistent, and presumably this policy should exist for pragmatic or ethical reasons that have nothing to do with the reasoning behind the licensing change.
Although someone has asked whether the policy would be enforced if this guy was upset about immigrants *not* being let into countries. Or whatever the more popular policy position is, at the time.
Would they retract if he refused to allow countries to use his software if they didn't accept AGW, for instance?
The earlier the system crashes, the more damage can be avoided. Possibly a civil war in Europe. Not to mention the loss of our European genetic and cultural heritage.
What about our precious bodily fluids?
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
- Charles Darwin
The author believes his home country is too generous to outsiders which he feels harms his self-interest. In response, he withholds permission to use his software to further harm his nation which would seem to also harm his self-interest in indirect ways.
Interestingly, he also protests US imperialism which he admits Europe is an accessory too. However, fewer refugees being created would be a natural consequence of stopping imperialism. So why doesn't he just focus his energy on that issue?
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I had a friend who ran a nursery. He tried hiring non-Hispanic workers and it was a disaster. They couldn't tell the difference between a plant and a weed and they did a terrible job. The Hispanic workers knew what they were doing. In his case he hired legal workers.
why is key academic software not open source?
Because people do the minimum required to get publications (and/or money), and cleaning up source code (so it can be exposed to the world) is a lot of work. This is especially the case if the code depends on other libraries with various different software licenses.
One of the ways to help fix this problem is to place restrictions on publication, so that open source licences are required for software. F1000 Research has just changed their policy to do this:
http://blog.f1000research.com/...
We recently strengthened our stance on software availability to better align with our Open Science principles. Now, the source code underlying any newly presented software must be made publicly available and assigned an open license. We strongly encourage the use of an OSS approved licence, but will accept other open licenses including Creative Commons. Software papers describing non-open software, code and/or web tools will be rejected.
The current situation demonstrates that forcing these licenses is required in order to get people to use them. BMC Evolutionary Biology already had a recommendation for open source licenses in its policy:
BMC Evolutionary Biology recommends , but does not require, that the source code of the software should be made available under a suitable open-source license that will entitle other researchers to further develop and extend the software if they wish to do so. Typically, an archive of the source code of the current version of the software should be included with the submitted manuscript as a supplementary file. Since it is likely that the software will continue to be developed following publication, the manuscript should also include a link to the home page for the software project. For open source projects, we recommend that authors host their project with a recognized open-source repository such as bioinformatics.org or sourceforge.net
Ask me about repetitive DNA
I've heard the exact same things said about Mexican immigrants in the US, yet I had no specific problems with my neighbours, my classmates when I was in school, or classmates of my kids. I've also heard the same thing said about Panamanians when I was in Costa Rica for a while. And for people from Botswana when I was in South Africa.
All too often people are vague when referencing problems like this because they don't have more specific things to say. Or they do have specifics, but aren't comfortable with saying what the actual problem is because some part of them doesn't think it is wrong to be upset over that. Just saying things of the lines of, "spend some time with people X and you would know why they are a problem," backfires when some people have spent time and still don't have a problem.
Most of these people are economic migrants, not refugees. In the case of Syrians now flooding into Europe, for example, most did not come directly from Syria — they came from migrant camps in Turkey. Turkey is a stable and safe country, but doesn't provide quite the level of social services and economic opportunities that a Western European country does. Of course, as has been pointed out in various places, the German government is worried about an aging population and needs young workers, so they opened the gates under the pretense of humanitarian reasons — preservation of culture, values, and social cohesion be damned.
"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
Do you understand That the Republican party has been taken over by far-right sociopaths? Blocking those scumbags is behaving responsibly, and is anything but childish.
Denying your work to Republican yahoos, is not being an asshole, it's opposing them. I'm getting really tired of the false-balance when one party has gone completely insane over the past 2 decades.
Did OkCupid act like an asshole when they blocked Firefox to demonstrate their disdain for Mozilla's CEO? Or was that acceptable because it had a liberal slant whereas this story has a conservative one?
We always like to blame somebody else. It's not so simple. We all want cheap stuff. You don't get cheap stuff by paying high wages. Even if an employer wants to do the right thing and pay their employees decent wages, how long do you think they will last against their competitors who are more than happy to pay as little as they possibly can?
Where I do agree with the treefinder dude is that the never-ending quest to find low-cost or no cost labor creates a lot of social problems. But I think it's overly simplistic to blame all the world's problems on US imperialism like he does. I'm also disturbed by his fear over the "loss of European genetic heritage".
I'm sure that's true, due to your extensive knowledge. Also, most black people agree with you that black teens need to pull their pants up and stop blaming society for there problems, and most gays agree with you that homosexuals should have some legal protection but not be given full rights of marriage, which are historically understood to be between a man and a woman.
The liberals are making up these platforms all themselves! All people discriminated against, in any way, know that right wing Texans speak the truth.
Slashdot: providing anti-social weirdos a soapbox, since 1997.
Good thing you have no ancestors in you phylogenetic tree that were immigrants.
Agreed. We need to make the whole world a better place to live. When massive amounts of people emigrate from a land, it means that we have failed in doing that.
He disagrees with some of the political decisions made by the politicians in some countries.
Thus he is banning the use of his software by non-politician academics who happen to be in those countries. Regardless of the actual views those scientists have - and note it is affecting biologists which isn't exactly a field famous for being politically powerful and driving country level politics.
It's exactly childish - lashing out at something almost but not quite related to the thing you are angry about.
or you can pay a decent wage?
That's not very "business friendly."
"What's the point of having a policy and then not following it?"
Or a Constitution.
Oh, wait....
Clearly you have not had to deal with software written by biologists. It doesn't matter how trivial it is, it is not going to be an afternoon...
I've seen an awk script that did FASTA searches which, and I'm not making this up, used a subset of regular expressions for the searching and the bulk of the script converted those into strings to match with - completely ignoring that awk already does regular expressions better than they ever will... I'm so glad I don't have to deal with that particular collection of code anymore.
It's not childish at all, businesses commonly withdraw their services because they don't consent to something, often times political. As a software developer this is his 'business'. How is this different? Please contrast with thing like beating up refugees.
love is just extroverted narcissism
Did OkCupid act like an asshole when they blocked Firefox to demonstrate their disdain for Mozilla's CEO?
Yeah, pretty much. They were both dicks. Restricting access to software to those whose political beliefs you share is going down a pretty dark path.
That's where they should go to. Same religion, relative peace, passable standards of living, an entire nation to be built, etc.
Yeah, exactly. This is pretty much the same as Kim Davis, except that Jobb is only inconveniencing himself.
He can take whatever stand he likes as far as I'm concerned, whether noble or petty. It's his right to do so. But if he doesn't do his job (which for a scientist includes not actively preventing other researchers from replicating your results), he has to face the consequences for that.
sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f(q{sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f});
Why not contrast it with eating a banana? Since it has more relevance to that than beating up refugees.
None-childish asshole businesses withdraw there services in some way that impacts the politics they don't like. This is refusing service to all people with the name "Fred" because someone with the name "Alan" holds a different political view to himself.
When entity A punishes group B because entity A disagrees with entity C ... then, yes, I'm afraid "asshole" is how I would interpret that.
Going all "boo hoo, I'm taking my ball and going home" is pretty much the epitome of childish.
Please, shove your liberal and conservative crap up your ass, because I really don't care.
I rank this right up with "no black people can use my software because I dislike Jamie Foxx". It's stupid, petulant, and childish. I don't much care what the issue is.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Open source doesn't mean free.
But Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes.
love is just extroverted narcissism
Legal or illegal Mexican immigrants? I live in San Antonio and we are extremely tolerant toward legal Mexican immigrants. The Mexican Americans are not please with the illegal ones due to the jobs and resources they lose/share. For the most part, they really look down on them.
Maybe that's just a San Antonio thing. In the rest of the country, Mexican Americans are trying every rhetorical and legal trick they can to make illegal immigrants welcomed. That includes:
*) Lobbying for "sanctuary city" status, where the local government is prohibited from working with state/feds unless the subject is suspected of non-immigration-related crimes.
*) Opposition to the phrase "illegal immigrants," because they say a person can't be illegal. Even though their very presence is a continued, illegal action, that there's pretty much nothing they can do short of returning across the border without it being illegal.
*) Using "immigrant" as much as possible to describe both legal and illegal immigrants. They want to blur that line as much as possible so they can attack politicians and other groups for being "anti-immigrant," when they only oppose illegal immigrants.
*) The usual cries about pulling apart families, etcetc.
*) Not bring up the issue of legal immigrants going through the legal process and waiting to become US citizens. They don't want to talk about that at all.
I disagree with the assertion that most of the support comes from white people. Just listen to Latino USA on NPR, watch Univision, or other Hispanic or Mexican American channels. It's stated by both sides without controversy that the reason Republicans have so little support with Hispanic/Mexican-American is their illegal immigration stance, and their attempts to court those ethnicities is a big reason why Republicans have blocked action on illegal immigration matters.
Nor is it friendly to people coming up from the bottom of nothingness, as many immigrants do.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
So. Who decides who enters the country? The citizens or everyone else? And what do you do with immigrants that do not want to conform to the norms of the parent country?
It's not simply a matter of calling someone a neo-na%i f**ta7d
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
There's a world of difference between refusing to allow your work to be seen as endorsing a politician whose views you despise, and refusing to allow your work to be used by ordinary people who happen to live in a country with a political position you disagree with.
Remember that many of the people who are banned from using this bit of software agree with its author.
That's a far cry from Bruce Springsteen saying he'd prefer Trump not play "Born in the USA" at his campaign rallies (I have no idea if Trump has done that, or Bruce would object - though I'd guess he probably would, but the point is it's a different situation.)
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
The problem there is that OKCupid never blocked Firefox. They presented Firefox users with a message expressing their concerns, but the website was otherwise entirely accessible to Firefox users.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
When you signal, or indicate, or make obvious; your righteous, virtuous feelings and opinions on a subject.
This is in order to establish your reputation as virtuous.
But people need to know how much better I am than the unenlightened. How are they supposed to understand that in a short thread or Slashdot story without just coming right out with the outrage?
Being largely political in nature, I'm not entirely sure that this is a discussion regarding this issue requires a reasonable perspective... :p
I agree both are being assholes, but if you go back and read about that other controversy, the spin was far different. There is a social revolution going on, and it's made possible by the Internet and related technologies. You may not care for A vs B, it may fuel a lot of childish actions, but it's going on and it's relevant. It's shaping the course of politics and social norms which will inevitably impact all of us.
It's amazing how once you make something legal, it's no longer illegal. Those tricky Mexicans!!
It's very clear. It says that it's not permitted in the USA. His follow-up statement is a statement about his intents.
I believe the first principle in a "democracy" is that politicians we elect represent the population. Based on this, even if I disagree with what my government is doing, even if I didn't vote for the current party in power, I'm still responsible for the actions of my government.
It's the cultural differences that matter.
In the EU the cultures don't vary much, even when comparing most western to most eastern countries. Turks, Syrians, Kurds are very very different than, say, Romanians, Greeks or Bulgarians.
This matters a lot because while you change the country, changing yourself is hard and many of them bring that culture with them, finding it easier to compromise a little and continue as they did back home instead of adopting everything from their new country.
This is what angers people when it comes to immigrants. They don't see them as fellow citizens born in another country, but foreigners with the same rights and benefits, but with additional perks. Recognition from the state for their special status, help to integrate in various ways, belonging to a minority, political or social group. I don't know any social psychology but it's all there.
To get back to your issue, Mexico is USAs neighbor and both cultures interconnect a lot. There are very few cultural barriers and most of them are either understood by both sides or simply accepted as normal.
Personally, I was curious about moving to another country early in life, but it was just wanderlust. If you can't make a home where you are now, changing the geographical location won't help much. Of course, living in a country with any kind of war going is different matter.
Yes you do- or can. It's all about efficiency and productivity though. Paying someone who produces 1000 units an hour an extra 10 dollars per hour comes out to just 1 cent difference on the per unit costs.Of course taxes add to it and it wouldn't be that simple because there would be an additional employment tax as well as social security and so on on top of that 10 dollars but you can get the point easily.
It is a lot harder however when you are providing services of some sort or when the production is lower. At 100 units per hour, the cost difference would be roughly 10 cents per unit (not considering taxes and all). So if someone could pick your tomatoes at a rate of 100 packs an hour (lets say 2 tomatoes to a pack), paying them $20 an hour would have a cost associated with 20 cents on each pack of tomatoes purchased. Paying them a minimum wage of $7.25 per hour would be 13 some cents cheaper so it isn't a huge cost increase to pay them a little more.
Where it hurts is when you can only service or produce 10 units per hour. An extra $10 dollar per hour would be $1 per unit. A typical waitress at one of these full service chain restaurants can likely handle 4 to 6 tables an hour depending on the number of people at each table. If every table leave $2 for a tip, they are earning $8 to $12 more per hour than their base salary. But as restaurants usually have it, they are not packed enough at all times of the day to enable this type of turnover so there will be several hours which the waitress/waiter would only service 1 or 2 units per hour and you would need a tip increased quite a bit to make up the difference.
This has been a problem since before humans were humans, humans and most other primates are highly territorial, they naturally form tribes with a hierarchical social structure. It's possible our invention of civilization will eventually change that but it hasn't happened yet, however it has dramatically changed the size of our tribes from a few hundred to hundreds of millions and those who attempt to swap tribes are likely to survive the ordeal, the behaviour of our species is moving away from the standard primate model, it now behaves like a cross between human tribalism and a technologically advanced termite mound.
At the end of the day the fighting is always about resources but we justify and rationalise it with our natural xenophobia. This is the way "nature intended", it is in the wetware toolbox we were given at birth. Peaceful co-existence in a land of plenty is what we all want, ironically our xenophobic tendencies mean we are more than willing to wipe out other tribes to get it.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
The Mexican Americans are not pleased with the illegal ones due to the jobs and resources they lose/share
That's just human nature. People who have jumped thru all the legal hoops think everyone else should do the same, regardless of the purpose of those hoops. It doesn't matter if the hoops are irrationally based on a lottery, they jumped the hoops and having done so they will feel superior to those who walked around, the more insane the hoops the more superior they feel.
As for "stealing jobs" - that is an illogical but common attitude. More than any other nation, US economic and military might was built on the backs of immigrants (both free and forced).
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
It also meant that no one was allowed to marry who had no wealth to pass on. Homeless people were not allowed to marry. People without a profession were not allowed to marry. People without their own business or without an estate were not allowed to marry etc.pp.
Of course they don't. They're Black African - San tribe, probably. Sheesh. They've been there since we humans crawled down from the trees! Immigration? No, not them. They're not tainted with that stain - they're black people, still residing in sub-Saharan western Africa. (I bet that pisses their parents off.)
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Did he get to the part where all those things were done to us by Democrats? (except possibly the carried interest tax deal, don't know about that one)
Hell, a couple of them, Reich is partly responsible for himself.
It is really scary how the Democrats can set up a narrative and that instantly becomes the new reality.
It makes sense. The scientists in the disallowed countries can no longer verify the work using the software. The findings are, to them, unreproducible. They can not further the science. I hope that the paper's author can reproduce the work with something else, easily.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
You make me want to write some open source code, something quick and easy, and disallow its use by white, heterosexual, males. Maybe I'll bang out a quick PHP script that incorporates CAPTCHA or something stupid - something where there are plenty of alternatives. Just to see what happens. To release under my own name or what... Hmm... GitHub? :D
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Strangely, back home, we've a lot of immigrants of the illegal variety. The current assumption is that they're not actually noticed and so aren't really counted very well. See, they're white. They come from Canada and work in the woods, drive pulp trucks, and things like that. They speak Canadian French so I sort of understand them now but it has taken some work. They're high enough in population that, by conversation, I've managed to pick up on the language fairly well. Well, enough to find a bathroom, order food, and get nookie. La bier est tres bien! Merci!
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Not precisely. Being against the members of some religion isn't the same as being against the members of all religions (different from you own).
I'm not thrilled by Christians, but that doesn't mean I like Muslims. In fact, I consider that a higher proportion of them are likely to become violent criminals with a bias targeting non-Muslims than Christians are likely to become violent criminals with a bias targeting non-Christians. Please note, this is a statistical prediction, not a prediction targeting any particular individual. And it also has to do with the current culture I live in. There were times in the past when the prediction could quite reasonably have been reversed. (And not *that* far in the past. It should probably have been reversed in the early 1900's.)
The Muslim religion, taken at face value, gives much more reason to be violent and bigoted towards non-Muslims than does the Christian religion, but both seem to give ample support towards either end of the scale (of violence) and people seem to come out of either with what they bring to it. So it's the enveloping culture more than the religion itself which is the determining factor. And, of course, a statistical variation among people as to how they react to an environment. The details of the religious doctrine seem to play a quite minor role, falling almost into the area of "This is useful as a justification.".
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
In many cases, the only rights they wish to withhold are the rights to the use of the name. I tend to agree but for different reasons. My reasoning is that it is a contract between two people and should be treated as such. There's a separation between church and State. The State should not be in the business of marriage. The State should be handing out civil union contracts. The fundies are able to engage in whatever silly rituals they want and call themselves whatever they want but all prior marriages should be automatically converted to civil unions and we should use only civil unions going forward and stop with this silliness in its entirety. Fuck the fundies. Let them have their silly rituals and names. Keep the State out of it. The whole ordeal could have been rendered null and void with just a wee little bit of thinking.
Nobody ever listens to David. Ever... *sighs* It would have pissed off the fundies to no end but what could they do? It would have solved the whole problem, once and for all. It also would have been an excellent IRL troll. Civil unions for everybody! Including turtles!
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
I wonder how accurately that rule has been followed. If someone has the time and interest... (I do not.) I imagine that there were papers done back in the 1970s that utilized computers and specific software. Now, how much of that software is still available for use today? Have those papers been retracted?
Not that I give a shit. I think the guy's an idiot. I just hate the idea that an innocent researcher is caught in the crossfire. (It wasn't his paper was it?)
Hmm... Nope, it looks like it was his paper. Well, then, screw it. It's still be interesting to see if they've followed the rules elsewhere.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Yes you do- or can. It's all about efficiency and productivity though. Paying someone who produces 1000 units an hour an extra 10 dollars per hour comes out to just 1 cent difference on the per unit costs.Of course taxes add to it and it wouldn't be that simple because there would be an additional employment tax as well as social security and so on on top of that 10 dollars but you can get the point easily.
It is a lot harder however when you are providing services of some sort or when the production is lower. At 100 units per hour, the cost difference would be roughly 10 cents per unit (not considering taxes and all). So if someone could pick your tomatoes at a rate of 100 packs an hour (lets say 2 tomatoes to a pack), paying them $20 an hour would have a cost associated with 20 cents on each pack of tomatoes purchased. Paying them a minimum wage of $7.25 per hour would be 13 some cents cheaper so it isn't a huge cost increase to pay them a little more.
Where it hurts is when you can only service or produce 10 units per hour. An extra $10 dollar per hour would be $1 per unit. A typical waitress at one of these full service chain restaurants can likely handle 4 to 6 tables an hour depending on the number of people at each table. If every table leave $2 for a tip, they are earning $8 to $12 more per hour than their base salary. But as restaurants usually have it, they are not packed enough at all times of the day to enable this type of turnover so there will be several hours which the waitress/waiter would only service 1 or 2 units per hour and you would need a tip increased quite a bit to make up the difference.
For a single tomato, 20 cents a tomato vs. 8 cents doesn't seem like a lot but to someone like a Sam's Club who buys millions of tomatoes it's a huge difference. And you have to remember that picking the tomato is just one step in the process of getting it to the produce counter. If you paid everyone along with way $20 an hour, the cost of a single tomato would be much larger than it is today. The other thing about tomatoes (and produce in general) is that there's a huge amount of loss between the time they are picked and the time they are bought. I used to work in a produce department while in college. We'd sometimes throw away entire cases as soon as they came off the truck. For the remaining cases, a certain percentage wasn't fit to sell, so they would get tossed in the process of filling the display. Then a couple of times a day at least, the ones on display would be gone through and the ones started to look bad would get pulled.
It wouldn't surprise me at all that for every tomato sold, at least one is tossed and that money has to be recouped in the price of the tomatoes that actually get sold.
I'll give you a hint: science has nothing to do with politics, and restricting access to science based on lack of support for Nazi policies makes him a neo-Nazi fucktard. And you a neo-Nazi sympathizer.
LOL you thought that in those stories, they had purchased a license?! LMAO ROFLCOPTER
No, 100% of the cases are pirating. And a venue's license for public performance doesn't extend into also being a license for product or political endorsement. You need a separate license to use something for promotion, you don't just pay the 10 cents like on a radio play of the actual song.
There is nothing wrong with taking your ball and going home. If you don't want to play, don't.
This is a different situation, though. It wasn't just his ball; it was a ball he had offered for the scientific community to play with under known, agreed rules. Then later he told them he was creating new rules, and scientists who are nice to people named Ahmed have to sit out. And so they told him no, nobody is going to borrow your ball at all anymore, take it and go home.
And so many internet threads were simultaneously Godwin'd that a million Ceiling Cats were killed, sucked into the sudden void. F'kin' Nazis, trying to ruin the internet.
It's a BMC journal, born in the Web age - it didn't exist in the 70s. But there may well be other software that's no longer available even in the lifetime of the journal just through link rot (which is why they encourage authors include a copy of the software and ideally the source as supplementary material).
He does not necessarily have the right to change license terms after people come to rely on the software, though. So it requires more than a simple reading, you'd need actual arguments to attempt to convince that there is some special reason he'd be able to alter those agreements after the fact.
He has every right to restrict new access. But what he claimed to do, he can't actually do. But they have to withdraw anyways, to protect those new people.
So I think here, he was an ass substantially beyond what his actual rights are, even in addition to violating the publishing terms that he had agreed to, and that is why the smackdown is not at all controversial. It really isn't obviously the case that you have a "right" to violate an agreement. It isn't enough simply to point to consequences as an additional right.
You think its bad with a bunch of Turks around, visit any small town in north Florida for a couple weeks and you'll sure be glad they can't swim that far.
And then consider: there are places in the world so awful, so dreadful, people actually risk their lives trying to sail to Florida.
You think it is bad now, just wait a few more years to see what happens when these nazis rile up enough of their neighbors to win an election and we have to go burn them in the streets again, like in Dresden. Nazis never learn, and after a few decades their neighbors sometimes forget. Ooops, did you live in the same town as the Nazis? My advice, burn them individually before we have to come clean it up for you, because we use a big stick for that, not a scalpel.
I live in San Antonio and we are extremely tolerant toward legal Mexican immigrants
If you have to "tolerate" legitimate neighbors, you might not be as "tolerant" as you think you are.
They're confusing the right of the publication to speak for itself with the right of a rightwing blowhard to have the publication speak when told, so they cry "censorship! They didn't agree with me, I'm being censored!"
If that was your point then I agree with you. Not that I'm a neo-Nazi fucktard but that restricting access for these reasons is pathetic.
However people don't have a right to go to another country - against the wishes of those who live there - and impose their way on life on the people there. I'm an atheist. How do you think the Saudi's or Iranians would think if I went there and demanded that they respect my wishes and my way of life? People that immigrate to another country should respect the culture of that place.
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There was this old guy who was a friend of my wife's family who was smart, and funny, and an all around reasonable guy -- unless the topic of hispanics came up. And then it was like he was a totally different person. He became a ranter, and everyone around him would try to change the subject.
It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that he hated Hispanics. As far as he was concerned if you were born hispanic that automatically made you useless, human trash. For the life of me I couldn't figure out where he got that hatred. As it turns out I grew up in the same neighborhood he did, albeit forty years later, and only when I was a kid were there many hispanics moving in. He'd moved up in the world after WW2; he left the neighborhood and lived in a series of lily-white suburbs. So as far as I could tell he'd never even *known* any hispanics personally.
And in the end I came to the conclusion that was the whole point. He didn't hate backs, or Poles, or Jews, or Catholics or Italians -- because he grew up in a neighborhood with all of those kinds of people, or served with them during the war. His opinions on hispanics was formed in a kind of vacuum. After that forty years of confirmation bias, unchecked by any actual firsthand experience turned what had been commonplace casual bigotry into full-blown batshit craziness.
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And what do you do with immigrants that do not want to conform to the norms of the parent country?
Most of the immigrants want to live decently. Even ones that come because of better welfare. Few of them already have high education, many of them are willing to learn. They are not only stealing jobs, but also creating new ones as they spend.
These people do not differ from the people already living in whatever country. Sure there is some cultural differences but deep down we are all the same. It makes no sense except different kind of behavior when it comes to rules.
Certain percentage is always hostile, this is also true among locals. There is no reason to think that different kind of control is needed.
Sure these people need a lot of support at the beginning. The thing that slows down integration most is the idiocy and attitude of locals. If you are not friendly, do not except immigrants to respect you. Most of the problems with immigrants are caused by locals.
In the long run, it does not matter why people came to the country. All people are workforce that increases GDP, at least statistically. Governments can think farther then one generation, grandchildren of immigrants will be well integrated and willing to want all the stuff we want and they need to work to get it.
I agree. So everybody of European descent in North America... if you would kindly board the boats in an orderly line...
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Well its a good thing the actual figure is more like 0.000001% then. If it was any higher we would be extinct.
Oh and EU law requires all member countries to accept all refugees. No exceptions. Germany is actually following the law. German people also overwhelmingly support this. When Munich police asked for supplies to help get refugees setted in just three hours they had received so much they had to beg people to stop donating !
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That is abject nonsense. The differences are minor, and pale into insignificance when you consider some people in "EU cultures" are far-left and some far-right, which is surely a far greater difference than just drinking a different kind of tea or dinner.
I'm happy that you haven't had to move country to find a good life, but to condemn others for doing so is pathetic, as it's been a constant of human existence since we first climbed down from the trees.
You'd make a lot of sense if the only adherents to any religion were fundamentalist, which is not the case. A moderate Muslim isn't called to violence even if it's in the Quran. Hint: when you make generalisations of billions of people you are not only wrong but ridiculous for even trying.
His license restriction won't work in the United States. He says "USA has already been excluded from using Treefinder in February 2015," but his exclusion is ineffective in the United States. You can download his work without agreeing to any license, and under United States law, once you lawfully possess a copy of a protected work, you need neither a license nor permission to use it. 17 USC 106 lists the things you do need a license or permission to do, such as preparing derivative works or distributing copies. Mere use is absolutely not covered.
And it would be somewhat silly if it worked any other way. Say you bought a book at the bookstore. Do you still need a license to read it? If so, where is that license? What are its terms?
Under United States law, one who lawfully possesses a protected work is entitled to the ordinary use of that work.
Sadly, his manifesto would be endorsed by the majority of people even in the countries he hates for welcoming immigrants. We freely allow the migration of money, but, but not people. Jobs don't have to climb a border wall, cross a sea or desert or even get a visa before leaving their home country.
Countries such as the US treat corporations as people, except when it comes to national borders. We require a passport for living-breathing people but not for corporations. I've never heard of a corporation being held against its will for decades in a prison/refugee camp while its immigration status is being evaluated. Corporations needn't cross deserts or crowd onto rickety boats. They are seldom convicted of treason or Logan act violations regardless of the havoc and resentment they create as representatives of their homeland in other parts of the world.
We don't bat an eye when a wealthy businessman distorts a third-world economy with their holiday home or an expat REIT vulture fund managed by former US VP Dan Quayle acquires and ruthlessly forecloses on hundreds of properties in Northern Ireland's 6 counties. Your portfolio now "owns" land that the Irish have struggled over for generations.
Gangolf, I don't know what immigrants did to you to make you so angry. I am one of the 232 million people who live outside my birth country. If we were counted, 0th generation immigrants would be the 5th most populous country in the world, ahead of Brazil. But we are shunned and labelled as if refugee == immigrant == illegal. I'm truly surprised that you count the US as a country that is "too welcoming." As an insular isolationist, you might not be aware that US immigration policy has changed considerably since the waves of 19th and early 20th century immigrants. The US solved its 1990s boat people crisis by warehousing refugees at Gitmo. It's solving the central American crisis by building a wall and letting people die. "Illegal" is a good definition of these border policies which violate international law. Rest assured that I will never use your software until you understand more about the people who provide a convenient scapegoat for politicians and a convenient target for your hate.
Homeless people were not allowed to marry. People without a profession were not allowed to marry. People without their own business or without an estate were not allowed to marry etc.pp.
This is sheer nonsense. You seem to be mixing it up with the right to vote or something.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
For a single tomato, 20 cents a tomato vs. 8 cents doesn't seem like a lot but to someone like a Sam's Club who buys millions of tomatoes it's a huge difference. And you have to remember that picking the tomato is just one step in the process of getting it to the produce counter. If you paid everyone along with way $20 an hour, the cost of a single tomato would be much larger than it is today. The other thing about tomatoes (and produce in general) is that there's a huge amount of loss between the time they are picked and the time they are bought. I used to work in a produce department while in college. We'd sometimes throw away entire cases as soon as they came off the truck. For the remaining cases, a certain percentage wasn't fit to sell, so they would get tossed in the process of filling the display. Then a couple of times a day at least, the ones on display would be gone through and the ones started to look bad would get pulled. It wouldn't surprise me at all that for every tomato sold, at least one is tossed and that money has to be recouped in the price of the tomatoes that actually get sold.
Things aren't typically sold at the cheapest possible price, they are sold at the price that generates the maximum amount of profit. Increased labor costs will change that price to profit curve slightly, but if they could get away with selling the produce at a much higher price and still sell the same volume then they would be doing that already.
If the price is too high, for whatever reason, people will stop buying.
WTF is "virtue signaling"? Am I already behind by another new term?
It's a meaningless right wing distractionary smear phrase like "SJW".
If I say something like "racism is a bad thing" then the reactionaries know they can't actually disagree and say that racism is a good thing, so instead I get accused of showing off how right-on and non-racist I am.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Read up on how muslim immigrant views towards sharia law. Take a look at rape statistics. Don't take my word for it. Look it up. Spend some time. This is an important issue that can't just be glossed over.
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You're conflating issues here and you know that. Empires expanded and contracted; wars of conquest were normal (good or bad). Agricultural people always saw uncultivated lands as unclaimed lands. This was true in China, Mesopotamia. Rome and the Americas.
We now have a DIFFERENT situation and your conflating them and coming up with a snarky is sign of your not willing to deal with the problems at hand. We have existing countries, with borders, with laws and in which the state compels it's citizens to act in a certain way. Now - what you're saying is that government can pass zoning laws to regulate density but they cannot control who comes into the country? The illogic of your position should be clear.
Now please, by pass the snarky comments, and confront the issue.
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In this particular case. It doesn't matter because tree finder is out of date and shit. But it should be noted that he did this work while doing a PhD (which he refused to finish). Also not solo. I am not sure he is the sole legal copyright holder.
br Yea i sort of am personally know the guy. Sort of. in a round about way. He has been a certified nut job for the ten years I was on his batshit insane mailing list.
If information wants to be free, why does my internet connection cost so much?
OK, but the journal should never have published a paper describing it. As a sibling post pointed out, they wouldn't be the only journal that would only allow a paper describing software to be published if that software was open source.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Yes, but I still believe that they are a minority and consider them as few bad apples in a batch. You can take any group of people and always some percentage of them are evil. This was exactly my point. Unfortunately they get to be on the rampage too long before they are caught, but they are caught sooner or later. I still encourage to catch as many criminals as possible before letting them in.
I've seen plenty of them working. They harvest crops, work construction, pave roads or anything where they need cheap labor. If it weren't for the flood of people from South of the border I don't know how all this stuff would get done.
And yet, somehow all of those things get done in states like Hawaii and Alaska, places where illegal immigration isn't a significant contributor to the workforce.
The one bright spot to illegal immigration might be if the minimum wage goes to $15 an hour. Replacing whoever they can with illegal chump-change labor will save businesses a fortune. And I assume the pro-illegal-immigration crowd will think that's swell, because they'll be "doing the work Americans won't do" that they're always citing as justification for it.
Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote. I'm not exactly disagreeing with your point.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
I saw one video of buses loading up in Turkey and it looked like a defeated army. That's just what Europe needs. I can't wait to see it.
I noticed when I was vacationing in Hawaii (Oahu) that houses there cost a bitch load of money. A dump that would sell for 30 grand here was over 300 thousand there. I can't see how you could possibly live on Oahu at 15 dollars an hour.
True but the OP was talking about European immigrants displacing the Native American population and that was what I was referring to. Britain's actions in India was one of conquest; in North America conquest and colonization of an "unused" space.
That is not what's occurring now. Unless you are insinuating that immigrants are a hostile force attempting to conquer or colonize the countries they are entering. (By the way - that is NOT my viewpoint. My parents were immigrants. My wife is an immigrant. Most of my friends are immigrants or children of immigrants.)
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You should look at the definition of tolerance. You don't have to like something or someone to be tolerant. Hell, you can despise someone and still tolerate them. Tolerate means that even if I hate your fucking guts I just leave you alone and go along to get along and keep the peace. A person that does that is by definition "tolerant."
If the service were running an email service for YourCorp.com, and you violated the Ts & Cs by hosting a torrent server there, would you object to the service being withdrawn?
The service here is publication and promotion of a piece of writing. The terms of service agreed to included that the software described remained available. The Ts and Cs have been violated. So the service (of publishing and promoting the writing) has been withdrawn.
It's far from an ideal circumstance - perhaps a better response would be to have put the paper into the public domain with a big warning about "this software is dangerous" on the revised publication - but it doesn't seem disproportionate.
Having a paper retracted after publication is seriously damaging to a scientist's reputation. It's probably the most serious action that the journal could take, and the reputational damage will last for the rest of the original writer's life.
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What if I told you both groups were guilty of censorship?
If you disagree with analysis by a plain, "what if I disagreed," don't be surprised if there is no response other than "you're wrong."
No analysis means you didn't have any ideas to contribute, and probably didn't understand the issues.
Me not repeating what you say is not me censoring you. It never is, it never was, it never will be. So you can make the bare assertion, but it won't have any value.
A publication can't "censor" you unless they're doing something like suing you to stop your speech. Their speech is their speech. They can't be changing or limiting your speech by their own. Speech is additive, not subtractive. Whatever you said, you still said it. They literally can't censor you by including or not including your speech. That would require action other than the publication of their own choice words.
A person might make a case that selective partial reproduction could be censorship, but that wouldn't apply here because it was completely withdrawn, not altered. They simply stopped repeating what he said, and announced that they no longer endorsed that speech.
It was open source. He has retroactively changed the licence. Again, he probably can't even do that.
If information wants to be free, why does my internet connection cost so much?
Illegals come over our border without our permission.
That is just an accusation in the form of a tautology. Of course they come over our border without our permission, that is why they are called illegals.
They bring in drugs which ruin the lives of our citizens, some of them are rapists and murderers and continue their habits when they're here.
As opposed to the citizens who are already ruining their lives with drugs sold by native citizens? Lol, I am so glad you are keen on saving us from dirty 'foreign' drugs. Also, rapists and murders? Really? Why not call em' godless commies too, since you are throwing around baseless labels.
They use up welfare that our productive citizens worked hard to pay the taxes for-- and the illegal immigrants don't pay into this system, or if some do they don't pay nearly as much as a citizen does.
Not sure how they do that without a SSN or birth certificate, but its your racist rant.
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