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Anonymous Vows Revenge For ISIS Paris Attacks

An anonymous reader writes: As usual, Anonymous members are quicker to respond to threats than investigators and have announced #OpParis as revenge for the Paris attacks. Their action is similar to #OpISIS from this spring, launched after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Previously Anonymous ousted thousands of ISIS Twitter accounts in #OpISIS. In a more conventional response, the government of France has been bombarding ISIS positions in Syria with airstrikes, and hunting for suspect Salah Abdeslam in connection with Friday's killings.

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  1. Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As usual, Anonymous members are quicker to respond to threats than investigators

    That's because they don't have any requirement to perform due diligence or, well, investigate anything. Investigators do. Anonymous are more like instigators.

    1. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why does anyone require 'due diligence' and fact-checking against insane violent assholes like these Sunni extremist fuckstains that laughingly call themselves the 'Islamic State'

      Well, for a start, to make sure that's who's actually responsible. (Not saying they're not - or that they don't deserve action anyway, but if it weren't them, then another guilty party could be getting away with no action due to a lack of due diligence)

    2. Re:Quicker by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why does anyone require 'due diligence' and fact-checking against insane violent assholes like these Sunni extremist fuckstains that laughingly call themselves the 'Islamic State' (as if they have the skillset or civilized restraint to actually run a country peacefully)?

      Mainly so you don't accidentally kill the neighbor of the insane extremist, when the neighbor is actually a rather nice guy.

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    3. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't post angry, that's a bad idea. You may also want to consider other viewpoints than "exterminate them down to the last motherfucking one of them". Perhaps a quote from 'A man for all seasons' may help:

      Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!

      Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

      Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

      Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

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    4. Re:Quicker by RDW · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why does anyone require 'due diligence' and fact-checking against insane violent assholes

      This is why: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    5. Re:Quicker by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why does anyone require 'due diligence' and fact-checking against insane violent assholes like these Sunni extremist fuckstains that laughingly call themselves the 'Islamic State'

      The due diligence isn't for checking whether ISIS is responsible, or a worthy target. The due diligence is for making sure that the people you're attacking are actually ISIS.

      We've seen some pretty high-profile examples of Anonymous having some, shall we say, targeting mishaps in the past. And if you need a citation for that, you don't know enough about Anonymous to participate in this conversation.

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    6. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually when we tried that after 9/11, the neighbor was an asshole, and we ended up with ISIS.

    7. Re:Quicker by Pseudonym · · Score: 4, Informative

      Radical Muslim: someone who wants to cut off your head
      Moderate Muslim: someone who Radical Muslims want to cut the head off of

      FTFY. Not-so-fun fact: If you are killed by an Islamist terrorist, you are eight times more likely to be Muslim than non-Muslim.

      START TRYING TO DRAG YOUR DEATH CULT INTO THE 21ST CENTURY

      Maybe you could start by opening your home to a Syrian refugee. People fleeing the "death cult" are precisely the sort of people who could do with your help.

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    8. Re:Quicker by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sir Thomas More was nothing but a goddamn SJW, with all his politically correct "laws".

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    9. Re: Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely don't post angry. That's what they want.

    10. Re:Quicker by BradMajors · · Score: 1

      All we know so far is that one of the attackers was a French citizen. Giving the information currently available the most appropriate place for the French air force to bomb would be France.

    11. Re:Quicker by PapayaSF · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Maybe you could start by opening your home to a Syrian refugee. People fleeing the "death cult" are precisely the sort of people who could do with your help.

      That's very idealistic and glib, except that one survey has shown that 13% of Syrian refugees support ISIS. Would you take a 1 in 8 chance that your houseguest wants to kill you? And even the ones who aren't terror-supporters now are still Muslims (mostly), which means they carry the same memetic infection that produced ISIS (and all the other Islamic radical groups). There's a good chance that some of their kids and grandkids will be radicals, as France has learned: many of their "home-grown" radical Islamists are from Algerian families that came to France generations ago.

      In short, just because they are refugees doesn't necessarily make them good people.

      Sorry, but you and much of the West are being played for suckers. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states have plenty of money and room for their co-religionists. They're all part of the ummah, right? But they don't want a bunch of poor and semi-skilled people with a heavy sprinkling of terror-supporters. Why burden their welfare rolls and strain their societies? Better to fob off the refugees on Europe (and the US), where they can spread Islam and soak up Western welfare money. It is a core Muslim belief that the entire Earth will one day be Muslim. The Muslim world is taking advantage of the Syrian war to spread Islam. We are fools to go along with it.

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    12. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here's the thing: if you're a Muslim, and you don't support ISIS, you're a shitty Muslim. It's identical to Christians who claim homosexuality "isn't sinful:" they're shitty Christians.

      The Koran instructs that all Muslims must move to live under a Caliphate if there is one. ISIS has now created one. In order to be a proper Muslim who follows their own holy book, they gotta support the Caliphate and they gotta support ISIS. The Koran is also very clear about what to do to Muslims who don't do that. And it's why ISIS frequently kills other Muslims: while the Koran says non-Muslims may live if they pay a tax to the Caliphate, it's quite clear about the punishment for Muslims who don't fall into line.

      The problem is that the "moderate" Muslims have the same damned rules as ISIS, they just disagree that it's a true Caliphate because it wasn't founded in the right location.

    13. Re:Quicker by sittingnut · · Score: 1

      one comment makes a great argument against ignoring laws to punish evil doers, effectively using a great play. only retort is an ad hominem, and ignorant irrelevant one at that. both have same rating as of now(more than hour later ).
      ah slashdot!

    14. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      911 AND ISIS are both examples of what happens when governments go off half cocked without thinking about the ramifications of their actions or long term consequences.

    15. Re:Quicker by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      From what I've seen, if they've got a beard, monobrow, and are so fugly their only chance at sex is martyrdom, or a goat, they're probably ISIS.

      It also sounds like Anonymous. Say, you don't think...

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    16. Re:Quicker by larryjoe · · Score: 1

      FTFY. Not-so-fun fact: If you are killed by an Islamist terrorist, you are eight times more likely to be Muslim than non-Muslim.

      Islamist terrorists tend to kill mostly Muslims in Muslim countries and mostly Westerners in Western countries. There are more Muslim casualties because most of the killings occur in Muslim countries.

      Should Westerners be afraid of risks that are relatively lower? Well, it depends on what you're comparing to. The per capita risk for Westerners is lower compared to the risk for a different country but is higher compared to the risk in the past. For Westerners who never had an intention of traveling to those different countries, only the second risk comparison is pertinent.

    17. Re:Quicker by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 1

      Grandparent was being sarcastic. On reality he agrees with the great-grandparent post.

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    18. Re:Quicker by elfprince13 · · Score: 1

      At least with Daesh, you're better off as a Christian or Jew, where you can get away with surrendering and paying taxes, than as a "moderate Muslim", where you're likely to be declared an apostate and murdered.

    19. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You may also want to consider other viewpoints than "exterminate them down to the last motherfucking one of them".

      Tell you what: If they're kicking in your door to drag you out into the street and cut off your gods-be-damned head, let's see how well quoting shit like that works for you, OK? It's really easy for someone like you, who no doubt is sitting nice and safe in your house, probably in a 1st-world country like the U.S., to spout shit like that, when halfway across the world right now what I desscribed above is actually happening: someone is getting their door kicked in by some asshole 'islamic state' fighter who doesn't give a rat's ass about another human life, and they're going to drag the men out into the street and fucking kill them, and take the women and children and fucking enslave them, because they can. I got news for you, friend: There is no reasoning with these gods-be-damned animals, if there was then that's what would be happening, and if you can't see that then you need to wake the fuck up and get your head out of the gods-be-damned sand! By their own actions they have made it amply clear that the only way to deal with them is to kill them all, and if you continue to deny that then you're just fooling yourself. There is no magical speech you can give that is going to 'change hearts and minds' of ISIS and make them stop cutting off people's heads; they want to burn the world down to the ground and remake it in their own fucked-up twisted version of Islam, and they will kill everyone and anyone who gets in their way. I'm sorry, it sucks, it's horrifying, it's anti-civilization, it's anti-human, it's anti-life even, they are like the Berzerkers of Fred Saberhagen's science fiction novels, they want one thing and one thing only and there is no reasoning with them about it. You can even sit there and try to tell me "it's our fault we created them" and it doesn't fucking matter, we either kill them or they will kill everyone and everything you love, eventually. It's too late for talk. It's time for bombs and bullets, and that's the only way this gods-be-damned bullshit is going to end. I suggest you make your peace with that and move on with your life as best you can.

      To the guy who said this:

      The Koran instructs that all Muslims must move to live under a Caliphate if there is one. ISIS has now created one. In order to be a proper Muslim who follows their own holy book, they gotta support the Caliphate and they gotta support ISIS. The Koran is also very clear about what to do to Muslims who don't do that.

      The Quran, just like the Bible, is a very, very old book, written by just another human, and like the Bible, it's contents are incredibly out-of-date and not particularly relevant to living in the modern world. Just like fundamentalist Christians, who try to live strictly according to the Bible with no compromises, you're going to run into all sorts of trouble trying to live strictly according to the Quran. Of course this has little to nothing to do with these Sunni extremists who refer to themselves as the 'islamic state'; just like so many so-called Christian preachers do, they're using their own strict interpretation of the Quran as an excuse to be violent assholes, destroy people they don't want around, seize power and land, and generally get away with whatever animalistic violent bullshit they want to get away with. Honestly, if there was such a being as 'Allah', I'd hope he/she/it would erase these fuckers from the planet, for daring to commit such atrocities. Regardless any 'reasons' these violent assholes claim to have are irrelevant; they must be exterminated regardless, because they endanger and victimize the populations of entire countries in their bloodthirsty quest for power. 'No quarter asked or given' should be the gist of any Rules of Engagement with regards to them, since that's abou

    20. Re:Quicker by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 1

      Why does anyone require 'due diligence' and fact-checking against insane violent assholes ...

      While anger is understandable, taking action, before first verifying that you are targeting the right people, leads all too often to miscarriages of justice. It is sombering to note that, even where some degree of due filigence is done, an estimated 1 in 25 people executed in the US are innocent of the crimes for which they are being executed. A majority of those originally locked up for years in Guantanamo are known to have been innocent. Firm action is needed, but only once you have done your best to ensure you are attacking the right people.

    21. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does anyone require 'due diligence' and fact-checking

      Do you want to be a citizen of a high-end state with oversight, accountability, and the rule of law? Or do you want to be a citizen of a low-end state with thuggery, mob justice, and might equaling right?

      Regrettably, some institutions of the US are degenerating into the low-end state model. Don't ask for more of it. You really don't want it.

    22. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does anyone require 'due diligence' and fact-checking against insane violent assholes like these muslims? tl/dr

      Call a spade a spade.

    23. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Radical Muslim: someone who wants to cut off your head Moderate Muslim: someone who wants someone else to cut off your head

      Accurate.

    24. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmmm.
      killers screaming about Syria and claim to be with ISIS.
      ISIS claims that they are ISIS ppl.
      All of the MO is exactly like ISIS and AQ.

      and you say that Anonymous is not investigating enough.
      Really??

    25. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THIS
      This is why we hate the police.
      All nations are guilty of letting this go on.
      But what control do we REALLY have?

    26. Re:Quicker by larryjoe · · Score: 1

      At least with Daesh, you're better off as a Christian or Jew, where you can get away with surrendering and paying taxes, than as a "moderate Muslim", where you're likely to be declared an apostate and murdered.

      I don't know the relative likelihood of death based on religious identification, but I'm skeptical that the Islamic State would be so "gracious" towards Christians and Jews. There are at least reports of Christians killed for the sin of being Christian.

      This is perhaps one area where ISIS has succeeded -- in convincing some outsiders of the relative beneficence of the self-proclaimed caliphate.

    27. Re:Quicker by dgatwood · · Score: 1, Informative

      In much the same way that being a good Christian does not require you to stone adulterers and people who wear cotton-poly blends, Christianity as a general system of faith does not inherently declare homosexuality to be sinful. Jesus gave a new covenant, superseding the Old Testament laws, including that one. The only New Testament bits about homosexuality are in Paul's writing, and that translation is considered dubious by many biblical scholars. So although one could argue that Christians of certain specific denominations are "bad" in some sense of the word if they don't consider homosexuality to be a sin, you can't generalize that to all of Christianity.

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    28. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sort of sad how Saudi Arabia, Oman, and the UAE, with all their wealth, cannot help fellow Muslims in any way, shape or form.

      The thing about the Western mindset... it isn't perfect, and the West has committed atrocities... but you don't see Sauds helping out with famines in Africa.

    29. Re:Quicker by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is not a true Caliphate, because it does not operate according to generally accepted Islamic principles. The rising tide if Islamophobia scares me a lot more than ISIS. The prospect of another holocause in, so called, civilized Western countries is becoming a very real possibility. The fact that the vast majority of Islamic teachers preach against Islamic fundamentalism, in general, and ISIS in particular, is simply ignored. I live in a country with 4 million Muslims and cannot recall a single case of one of them cutting off anyone's head. Indeed, I sometimes buy from a market where the majority of the traders are Muslims, and have never felt in the slightest bit threatened. How many bad experiences with Muslims have you personally experienced? (Please do not say you felt threatened because they dress funny.)

    30. Re:Quicker by ultranova · · Score: 0

      And even the ones who aren't terror-supporters now are still Muslims (mostly), which means they carry the same memetic infection that produced ISIS (and all the other Islamic radical groups).

      And us Europeans carry the memetic infection that produced fascists, nazis and two world wars. The ultimate reason why EU exists in the first place is to manage that and keep it latent, least we end up destroying ourselves. ISIS is trying to get the infection to flare up again, and from what I'm seeing and hearing they're succeeding.

      It's an interesting strategic situation.

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    31. Re:Quicker by PapayaSF · · Score: 2

      I'm not overly worried about the fascist meme. It was a brief 20th century phenomenon that was thoroughly crushed 70 years ago, and has had minuscule support since then. Islam, on the other hand, has a billion+ followers, and a significant fraction of them are all in favor of religious violence.

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    32. Re: Quicker by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

      Where do you get 13% the article you linked said 5%, and suggested the motive behind those 5% was likely to be either admiration of ISIS military victories, or sympathy with goal of establishing a caliphate. Neither motive has anything to do with killing the person who takes them in.

    33. Re:Quicker by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      Why does anyone require 'due diligence' and fact-checking against insane violent assholes

      Have you seen what the burial marker George Johnson says? While ISIS certainly isn't full of innocent bystanders, you generally want to be confident about who you're going after.

    34. Re: Quicker by PapayaSF · · Score: 1

      4% + 9% = 13%:

      The think-tank found that 4% expressed a positive opinion of the Islamic State (ISIS) and another 9% expressed a "somewhat positive" opinion of the terrorist group.

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    35. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. Saddam earned his own fate. Do you recall his invasion in 1991? He was still under sanctions for that. He played a game betting it wouldn't cost him - he was wrong.

    36. Re:Quicker by Pseudonym · · Score: 4, Interesting

      [...] except that one survey has shown that 13% of Syrian refugees support ISIS. Would you take a 1 in 8 chance that your houseguest wants to kill you?

      No, it didn't.

      The question was "In general, do you have a postitive or negative view of ISIL?" 4% of Syrian refugees answered "positive", and 9% said "positive to some extent". That is not the same as 13% expressing "support" for ISIS.

      Moreover:

      Further seeking to understand respondents’ views of ISIL, the survey included questions which asked participants to identify the factors that contributed the most to the group’s popularity amongst, and influence on, its supporters. Respondents were asked to consider such arguments regardless of whether or not they themselves accepted their validity. When asked to identify such reasons and factors, 15% of respondents cited ISIL’s “military achievements”, with the highest proportions of those citing this factor coming from Palestine, Egypt, Jordan and amongst the Syrian refugee population.

      The survey didn't expand on "military achievements", but it wouldn't surprise me if the most common reason for a Syrian refugee holding a positive (or mildly positive) view of ISIS is that nobody else is trying to oust the Ba'athist regime.

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    37. Re: Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in a small German village.

      Refugees have been moving in.

      Over 75% of them are young men.

      Three of which tried to mug me when I turned the corner two weeks ago after buying groceries. I grew up in Baltimore, I know how to handle myself.

      I flashed them my pocket knife and they backed off while wishing me a good night, (Guten Abend). I now carry two at any given time.

      You can cry me a river about taking in refugees, but not all of them are good people, and likely you don't live near any of them.

    38. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sir Thomas More was a theocrat. It's totalitarian, kind of like you are, but with God.

    39. Re: Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet if you named the country you are referring to, I could find a beheading. Or at least a good old fashioned honor killing.

    40. Re:Quicker by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Here's the thing: if you're a Muslim, and you don't support ISIS, you're a shitty Muslim. It's identical to Christians who claim homosexuality "isn't sinful:" they're shitty Christians.

      OK, I'll bite. What is it specifically about ISIS that makes it mandatory for all Muslims to support it specifically?

      While we're on the topic, on what basis do you claim authority to decide what constitutes a "shitty Muslim" or "shitty Christian"? Only fundamentalists are preoccupied with who is "in" and who is "out". Are you a fundamentalist, or do you just accept their premises?

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    41. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So although one could argue that Christians of certain specific denominations are "bad" in some sense of the word if they don't consider homosexuality to be a sin, you can't generalize that to all of Christianity.

      Yes, you can. The only way you can argue that the New Testament doesn't forbid homosexuality is by literally redefining what Paul wrote, as you pointed out yourself. Any Christian who makes that argument is literally ignoring the words of their own holy book - making them a pretty shitty Christian and their denomination a pretty shitty denomination.

    42. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is an asshole and clearly doesn't care if innocents are hurt or not.
      What you need to bring up is that every time law enforcement gets the wrong guy they call it a day. That means that for every time you get an innocent the bad guy goes free.

    43. Re: Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other news, 1.5bn Muslims are not terrorists. Are we going to execute every Christian because some of them murder abortion doctors?

    44. Re:Quicker by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 0

      That hasn't stopped Christians from murdering each other over Christianity by the millions.

      Furthermore, "new covenant" or not, the God of the New Testament is the same god as the one of the Old Testament, and He is a dictatorial and violent tribal deity. Ultimately, with that kind of violent and intolerant foundation, nothing can ever fix Christianity: it is rotten at its root, just like all other Abrahamic religions.

    45. Re: Quicker by someone1234 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't offer such tempting questions!

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    46. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for supporting ISIS by living in fear. The people who are cutting heads off are thanking YOU for helping them.

    47. Re:Quicker by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Investigators are busy investigating. Anonymous is busy...deciding how to butt in where they're not wanted. They got impatient when after 5 minutes the investigators hadn't hacked any web sites to show their displeasure.

    48. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > are from Algerian families that came to France generations ago

      Not saying you don't know that, but for the sake of general education, Algeria is independant since 1962. Those Algerian, from "generations ago" were French.

    49. Re:Quicker by KGIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We have this thing, supposedly, called the rule of law. This means that you're not guilty until the state has achieved the burden of proof required to deem you guilty. As deplorable as these people are, I'd rather we not dismantle the very principles we've agreed on in an effort to contain or punish them. The adage about staring into an abyss is acceptable here.

      Your kind of thinking is how we ended up with things like the PATRIOT ACT and other assorted rights restrictions. How many rights are you willing to give up? You know, any rights you give up for these people are also your rights and even if you don't make use of them personally, there are many others who do - and not for bad effect. The very idea of needing to prove guilt is not something that should ever be subject to debate unless it means increasing the burden of proof. Another adage, one that it is better for ten men to go free than to put one innocent one behind bars, is also appropriate.

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    50. Re:Quicker by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      As usual, Anonymous members are quicker to respond to threats than investigators

      That's because they don't have any requirement to perform due diligence or, well, investigate anything. Investigators do. Anonymous are more like instigators.

      I'm rather hoping that since a Jewish owned theatre was targeted Mossad will get revenge too.

    51. Re:Quicker by KGIII · · Score: 1

      The missus is now awake. My guffaw was loud enough to awaken her. I'd read your username prior to reading the post and that has made all the difference. *sighs* Go home, Pope, you're drunk! 'Tis okay, she gave me naught but an evil look and wandered back to sleep.

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    52. Re:Quicker by KGIII · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes you do. Well, no, you don't because you're a willfully ignorant twat. However, they do give aid to Africans. I can dig out a shitton of evidence but will you accept Wikipedia:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      In 2006, the Saudi government gave $10 million in aid to the horn of Africa, through the World Food Programme, of which Kenya received $2 million.[19] Saudi prince Al-Walid bin Talal donated $1 million to help feed 3.5 million Kenyans during the drought.[20]

      I'm sure that I can dig out more. So yes, I *do* see the Saudis giving out aid, specifically, to help with famines in Africa. You do not see it because you will not see it. I can see, now, why you'd want to post as an AC.

      Over the past decade Saudi Arabia has been the 19th largest government provider of humanitarian assistance.

      http://www.globalhumanitariana...

      There are enough things to be angry about without having to make up new things to be angry about. Ignorance is catchy, others will see your post and believe it. Stop being ignorant or, if you must, do so in private.

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    53. Re:Quicker by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Hmm... When, in modern history, have the Christians killed "each other over Christianity by the millions?" I'm no historian so, help me out.

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    54. Re:Quicker by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      I'm a bit naive in such matters, but what I don't get is why running away from your country's problems is considered acceptable behaviour? When Hitler came knocking, my grandparents generation didn't run away. They stood their ground and fought to the last.
      I can't help but think if all those millions of refugees stood their ground instead of running away, they might actually have a good chance of defeating these idiots. How does running away fix the problem?

    55. Re:Quicker by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      Utterly foolish. Foolish to the point of self-deception or outright lying. But don't listen to me, listen to French Muslims:

      Worshippers leaving the Grand Mosque of Gay Paree after the midday prayer also worried that Muslims in La Belle France would be blamed for a conflict rooted in the Middle East.

      "This story soils Islam and it soils Muslims," said a man named Soufiane. "There are problems over there and they shouldn't be imported here."

      Straight from the horses's mouth. The first thing that you do is stop the problem from spreading. Keep it contained. Ask any doctor, "first, do no harm." The question is why are these left-wing voices continually telling us to import hostile foreigners into our countries and our homes? What possible positive outcome could result from this? It certainly ain't gonna be singing Kumbaya in front of the campfire.

      Last week, left-wing Germans threw a party welcoming Muslims to their country. How did their new guests respond? By molesting and harassing the women (scroll down for English). And you want to bring that shit into our country? Fuck you.

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    56. Re:Quicker by dave420 · · Score: 1

      The poll you cited was of 900 people. 900 people out of 1,600,000,000 does not an accurate sample make. You can not possibly cast such dispersions with such a small sample. The fact you have done so kind of makes the rest of your conclusions look ridiculously flawed, as anyone who would jump to such judgements without sufficient evidence is practically indistinguishable from fundamentalists in this regard, as it's a game they play too.

    57. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That there, boys and girls, is a false dichotomy.

    58. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Much like after the Charlie Hebdo attack, they will do the square root of fuck all but will make a few videos bigging themselves up and making vague threats.

    59. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with immediate violent vigilante justice by insanely angry people who want to exterminate bad guys? That always works out well!

      And so the circle continues...

    60. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dave420 your conclusions are ridiculously flawed http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    61. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If anything, I think the analogy works the other way. SJWs tend to be in favour of discrimination against the groups they dislike (whites, males), regardless of antidiscrimination laws. They don't seem to consider the consequences for other groups if those laws are undermined.

    62. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, it's a fundamental requirement that everyone performs "due diligence". If it wasn't necessary, it wouldn't be due, would it?

      That's why it's called due diligence. If you don't do it, then you are negligent. By its nature, negligence is irresponsible - it's virtually the definition. You might argue about what constitutes such diligence, but if you call it due diligence, then you are essentially saying necessary diligence, which can't possibly be unnecessary!

      Getting away from your logical errors, it sounds like you don't care whether we get the right guy or the wrong guy, as long as we hurt somebody. Gotta say I'm pretty glad you aren't in charge!

    63. Re:Quicker by Maritz · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Baby Bush was always going to invade Iraq. 9/11 was a great little bonus for him as it gave him a fig leaf of justification. Iraq never had anything whatsoever to do with it. He did not, and will not, give the merest iota of a fuck about who was hurt or who died, American or otherwise. That should be patently obvious.

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    64. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Roper is clearly the "SJW" in the original text. More's determination to stand by his principals over temporary outrage places him in the role of the that professor at Yale during the Haloween costume debacle.

      It's worth nothing that More was the one eventually beheaded.

    65. Re:Quicker by KGIII · · Score: 0

      Those goalposts won't move themselves! You said that you don't see the Sauds [sic] helping out with famines in Africa. That's probably correct. *You* don't see it but that's only because you refuse to see it - further evidenced by your attempts to move the goalposts in your latter reply. While I showed you that you're willfully ignorant you continued to remain so. You've then attempted to move the goalposts and failed to simply say, "Oh, I was wrong."

      It's okay to be wrong. You can remain ignorant all you want. You made a claim. It was a lie. I showed you the proof. You then decided to go with weasel words and continued to make further unsubstantiated statements that have no bearing on the conversation.

      I think we're done here.

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    66. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You disqualify yourself by using the term "islamophobia". The term islamophobia was created by marketing agencies paid by Saudi Arabia to discredit and surpress any valid criticism of Islam.

    67. Re:Quicker by blogagog · · Score: 1

      Maybe you could start by opening your home to a Syrian refugee. People fleeing the "death cult" are precisely the sort of people who could do with your help.

      Seems risky. At least one of the terrorists who blew himself up was a Syrian refugee. Maybe instead we should just leave them all together in their home countries until the good guys in their group beat up the bad guys?

    68. Re:Quicker by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      900 people out of 1,600,000,000 does not an accurate sample make.

      Your arse must be sore with having such a big number dragged out of it.

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    69. Re:Quicker by AaronW · · Score: 1

      It's partly their fault, especially Saudi Arabia for pushing their puritanical form of Islam with all their money. In fact, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar are actively funding ISIS and al-Qauda.

      It's not surprising most of the hijackers of 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia. They've also screwed up places by building madrases to help push their fundamentalist puritanical version of Islam. Boys who go to these madrases for their education learn little except the Saudi brand of Islam along with hate for the west.

      Just google ISIS funding.

      Ever since 9/11 I've done whatever I can to stop supporting middle eastern countries and wean myself off of using oil. The fact that most of the 9/11 hijackers and their ringleader came from Saudi Arabia made me realize I don't want any of my money to go to fund these countries that promote terrorism.

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    70. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ISIS is trying to get the infection to flare up again, and from what I'm seeing and hearing they're succeeding.

      lol. No they're blowing things up and lashing out because western powers, like France, have been interfering with their activities in the middle east. And also because they hate the west, and christians, in general. It is not some grand fucking plan to bring fascism back to Europe, where in fucks name are you getting that from?

    71. Re:Quicker by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Anonymous are more like basement dwelling assholes. Any reason to attack anyone will do as far as they are concerned. And if no reason exists they'll attack and then concoct one after the fact.

    72. Re:Quicker by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      Hmm... When, in modern history, have the Christians killed "each other over Christianity by the millions?" I'm no historian so, help me out.

      All the wars related to the Reformation; the Thirty Years War and the Huguenot Wars, among others.

    73. Re:Quicker by aethelrick · · Score: 1

      I don't know if it's "by the millions" but it certainly exists... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Religion is a dangerous excuse provided by bad people to stupid people in order to motivate them to do bad things. Always has been used in this way, likely always will be. I for one would like to see then end of religion and it's control over people.

    74. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When Hitler came knocking, my grandparents generation didn't run away. They stood their ground and fought to the last.

      Except for all the people, including Albert Einstein, who fled Germany during the Nazi rise to power. Also, the governments of the "Western Powers," who said it's ok to keep Czechoslovakia, just please don't invade anyone else.

    75. Re:Quicker by KGIII · · Score: 1

      You've got a strange definition of modern. :/ Anything more recent? Say, the past 100, 150 years? Hell, even in the past 50?

      Heh... It's gonna let me post this as a logged in user. Stupid Slashdot. Ah well... I thought I'd have to post this as an AC.

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    76. Re:Quicker by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      To some extent you are correct, but let's not pretend that there are not many, many problematic things in the New Testament as well. For example, Jesus appears to condone slavery, and certainly never states that it is unambiguously wrong.

      That's the heart of the problem really. Jesus was a bit short sighted for the supposed son of an omnipotent being. If he had just been a bit clearer in key areas a lot of problems and conflict could have been avoided.

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    77. Re:Quicker by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      That's a rather simplistic way of looking at it.

      Running away can allow you to gather, take a few breaths, re-group and figure out how to attack the problem in the long-term, not gear up for short-term survival (kill this guy, hope there aren't five more behind him...)

      Not that this necessarily happens, mind you (I'm typically on the wrong side of the immigration debate among my ultra-liberal friends in the United States), but running away is sometimes a better answer than staying and fighting, or worse, staying, surrendering and possibly dying or, even worse than that, joining up with the other side because even though you're part of the atrocity, at least you're safe.

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    78. Re: Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People also seem to forget that he was trying to shoot down aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones regularly.

      Patrol the skies over Iraq and fend off attacks every day until the end of time, or finish him off. In retrospect the former may have been the better way to go, but the way people today like to portray Iraq as an innocent victim these days is ridiculous.

    79. Re:Quicker by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I went through your link and I'm not seeing anything from modern history in there. I did see about 20 Mormons listed from the 1800s. I'm not really seeing a whole lot of killing by Christians in the name of Christianity in modern history. I appreciate the link, and all, but I'm not sure that it actually addresses my question.

      No, no I am not a Christian or anything. We can discuss my religion if you want but it's immaterial (I'm a secular Buddhist, atheist or agnostic - if you perfer) so I'm not standing up for them due to personal biases. What I am is doubting the legitimacy of pointing and saying, "They did it too!" More specifically, I'm doubting the validity of such arguments when they're premised on acts from quite some time ago.

      At some point, historically, we've all been evil. What is the value in making false equivalences? (At this point, I am presuming them to be false as nobody has demonstrated anything in modern history where Christians where out killing others in the name of Christianity. However, I'm not all-knowing and could be missing something.)

      What, exactly, is the point of pointing out (even if you want to go back to the middle ages) that Christians have done shitty things in the past? The very fact that they're not doing so currently should be taken into account. I think you'll find, should you crunch the numbers, that religion has been the actual reason for killing a very limited number of times. I dare say that the majority of the deaths would have been because people are, quite frequently, assholes and that they simply used religion as an excuse for them to control or harm others. But, I digress...

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    80. Re:Quicker by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Why does anyone require 'due diligence' and fact-checking against insane violent assholes like these Sunni extremist fuckstains that laughingly call themselves the 'Islamic State'

      Why, you're absolutely right!

      That's why we've just dispatched a drone to bomb your basement. After all, there's nothing to prove you're not the evil mastermind behind ISIS.

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    81. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His invasion was none of our business. That's the problem with the US and its puppets, always sticking their fucking nose in place it doesn't belong. The consequences of such arrogant behaviour is all of the violence that you see today.

    82. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your ass must be sore from having so many sand nigger dicks in it.

    83. Re:Quicker by tomxor · · Score: 1

      Why does anyone require 'due diligence' and fact-checking against insane violent assholes

      Mainly so you don't accidentally kill the neighbor of the insane extremist, when the neighbor is actually a rather nice guy.

      And what do you think the following results in?...

      ...the government of France has been bombarding ISIS positions in Syria with airstrikes

      But don't worry i'm sure all of France's airstrikes don't kill anyone innocent... because ISIS live on an island with a 50 mile radius and a flag on top saying "ISIS LIVES HERE - WE DON'T USE HUMAN SHEILDS BECAUSE WE ARE THE BAD GUYS"

    84. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd been looking to see if anyone had replied (I'd posted some AC stuff and don't get notifications) and I saw my above post had been moderated at a +1 (currently) and so I decided to open it back up. At that point, I decided that I'd do some research.

      You say that it's nothing to crow about. Saudi Arabia is the 19th most generous country when it comes to foreign aid (citation in my original post). Guess where Saudi Arabia is in the list of countries by nominal GDP? What's that? Where?

      Oh, right, they're 19th. Meaning that they give, quite exactly, as much as they should and, considering they're obligated to zero, far more than they have to.

      What's that? You want a citation? Will you accept Wikipedia?
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      What have you done? How much have *you* donated to help with the famine(s) in Africa? Oh, nothing? Not one damned red cent? Nary a nickel? Not one thin dime? Not even any more attention than turning away when the commercials come on asking for donations? Always hoping, thinking, that the responsibilities lies on a country that you hate and think does nothing? Waiting for someone else to solve the problem while ignoring that the people you hate are actually doing that which you claim they are not?

      Oddly enough, I bet you decry the wealthy 1% for doing nothing while you, yourself, are almost certainly in that 1% and, given your astonishing level of ignorance and unwillingness to accept your mistake or have the humility to learn something new. You couldn't even say, "Oops. Heh, I suck. Thanks for correcting me." Instead, you did far more work - heaving those goalposts upon your shoulders and moving them further away.

      Well, here's another one through those goal posts:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      GOAL!!!!

      Seriously, we all make fuck-ups and we're all wrong about something. Man up, accept that you were wrong, engage in some introspection, learn something new, and behave like a fucking adult. I'll even post this as an AC so we're on equal footing. Here's your chance to be a man about it. Here's your chance to demonstrate the reason you claim to have. You accuse those, the religious folks, of being unreasonable yet you, yourself, are not using logic. You unreasoned reply is, frankly, more hypocritical than anything else. "I'm better then they!" Well, act like it.

      Here you go. I'm AC and on equal footing. Show us your reason, your logic, and your understanding. I've got time.

      Hint: It starts with, "I am sorry and I _____." Note: It is *never* "I am sorry but I ____." If it includes "but" then it is invalidated. The apology isn't for my sake. It is for your own and for the people you're guilty of lying about, being ignorant about, and then being unwilling to accept responsibility for your actions.

      Feel free to move the goalposts some more. I enjoy the practice.

    85. Re:Quicker by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Belgium.

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    86. Re:Quicker by jittles · · Score: 1

      After the experience my brother had taking in refugees from hurricane Katrina I would be very hesitant to house any refugee with me directly. He had three different sets roll through his place, all of them stayed for free. I think the first one stayed a few weeks, the next one a month or two, and the last close to 6 months. They all ruined his property, though to different degrees. They stole from him. They did not treat him or his property with any respect whatsoever. No, if I am going to help refugees, I'll help support the Red Cross with time and money. It's much less stressful than letting one of them live with you.

    87. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well there's that.. But there is also that the proper authorities are determining an effective method of response.. Anonymous is being a bunch of dumbass wankers in their mom's basements pretending that they are some elite arse group of hax0rs that can somehow bring ISIS down while eating hot pockets.

      Seriously, can we please stop paying attention to these tool bags?

    88. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Game being what? Living near people who do something horrible 20 years later?

    89. Re: Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize there are many many other excuses people use to kill other people daily eighth? The only thing "special" about religion is that people blame it to do what they would do otherwise and they point to the same excuse instead of "because I wanted their shoes/camel/sheep."

      If someone doesn't have religion to blame they will just blame something else.

    90. Re:Quicker by aethelrick · · Score: 1

      My point was and remains semantically close to the part of your closing paragraph that reads...

      I dare say that the majority of the deaths would have been because people are, quite frequently, assholes and that they simply used religion as an excuse for them to control or harm others.

      I don't think the original post by NostalgiaForInfinity claiming millions of Christians have died at each others hands was useful except as a throw-away statement designed to illicit response. Though I would temper this by saying pretty much every western leader who has gone to war in the last hundred years will have referred to god backing their plans and the fact that the enemy was evil. It's always nice (as a war monger) to get the masses to back you up because the big bad sky-pixie is your best buddy and that you're carrying out his divine will. We can see contemporary examples of this in the sorts of things said by British and American leaders taking their people to war. Even in the most arguably justifiable use of this sort of rhetoric e.g.

      "We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering. You ask, what is our policy? I will say: It is to wage war, by sea, land, and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy. You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be." - Winston Churchill

      Personally I'm of the opinion that religious people have been deceived (in order to become self-described as religious in the first place) and have shown themselves to be fairly easy to persuade to believe almost anything you like. In my mind these sort of easy-to-convince people are perfect if you're an evil nutter looking to recruit expendable cannon fodder.

      As a point to ponder on the side... Any problem that has been reduced to "they're evil and must be destroyed" has been massively over simplified and people spouting that sort of thing are either deluded (see religious comments above) or they are by definition irrational irrespective of their cause. Reacting to extremism with extreme force simply breeds more extremism. While force may be needed in the short term in order to preserve the most lives, we need to undertake it with the understanding that every person who loses loved ones, property, possessions or even just aspects of a way of life, become significantly more ready to return the favour of violence in the future. So you either have to kill them all (making you far worse than they are) or you have to try to fix the underlying reasons for the conflict in the first place.

    91. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^This.

      Furthermore, the scumbags that run Kuwait are worse than Saddam.

    92. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least with Daesh, you're better off as a Christian or Jew, where you can get away with surrendering and paying taxes, than as a "moderate Muslim", where you're likely to be declared an apostate and murdered.

      I don't know the relative likelihood of death based on religious identification, but I'm skeptical that the Islamic State would be so "gracious" towards Christians and Jews. There are at least reports of Christians killed for the sin of being Christian.

      Perhaps they didn't pay enough tax to live then - or perhaps the caliphate is more heavy-handed while at war.

    93. Re: Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The more I learn about what is actually in the Quaran and the Hadiths, the more I realise that it is not possible to be Muslim and live peacefully with any other religion; it's an article of their faith to either convert their neighbors to Islam or to murder them. You can never truly trust a Muslim if you are of another religion because it's an article of their faith to lie to non-believers, to cheat non-believers in business dealings. The 1.5bn Muslims that are not terrorists, are not considered true Muslims by the 100 Million who are terrorists.

    94. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does anyone require 'due diligence' and fact-checking against insane violent assholes like

      To make sure that the people you're claiming are "violent assholes" are actually violent assholes, and not just some poor piece of crap caught up in the middle of an electronic Witch Hunt.

      Another issue here is that Anonymous isn't really doing anything. Outing a Twitter account? Great, now they have to go through the arduous process of making another user name... what's that going to take, all of 10 minutes? And did it ever occur to them that perhaps those accounts are already KNOWN to various governments who are monitoring them? You know, the people who have actual guns and bombs they can use to kill the shitheads we're looking for? And that by getting in the middle and fucking things up could very well ruin a good bit of Signals Intelligence?

    95. Re:Quicker by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      To make sure you are bombing the right people.

    96. Re:Quicker by KGIII · · Score: 0

      Thank you. I'd seen prior posts from you and, I'm pretty sure, you're not stupid. I was *really* a bit alarmed with your reply. It had me thinking that, maybe, there was an area where you were quite a zealot and irrational. The clarification certainly helps. We're basically on the same page. To put it mildly, I was kind of concerned that I'd made an error in judgment or that I was somehow missing something.

      Would that I could, I'd offer some insight as to how to fix this. It's not without some thought that i say, I do not know. I've pondered and researched and even delved into some history of the region to see if I can better understand this, specifically more so since the Paris attacks on Friday. I simply can not come up with a solution and there appear to be only a couple of choices. While settling for the lesser of two evils, in the long run, I'm not sure what the lesser of two evils would be.

      Bear with me for a moment... If you will - this is mostly digression but salient, I think, nonetheless.

      Remember Stalin and his purges? They were *mostly* done for a very specific reason - some was megalomania, some was psychoses even, but the real reason was that he felt he needed to rid the country of privilege and dissidents. The goal was a utopia, "Communism in one country!" (At any cost.) I'm led to believe that there were no plans to expand beyond their immediate area. I imagine this is much the same.

      Now, as horrific as this sounds, what if - just what if, we allow them their Caliphate? Of course, helping to extract those who do not wish to be members if given free choice to do so would be ideal. However, removing their victims and taking away those who are persecuted by these IS members and allowing them to have self-direction as a State might actually be a valid third choice. The extracting of those who wish to leave would be difficult but should such a plan be offered and the IS decline it then, by all means, we're going to need a different plan which may absolutely require violence on a level not seen in a long time.

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      "If you give your people freedom to leave, and we'll help them to do so, we will give you your own country so long as you remain within the current territories you're controlling. If, after this, you fail to behave like an acceptable nation, make no mistake - we will eliminate every last one of you and that means complete and total destruction of civilians who opted to remain within your borders.

      We will even go so far as to protect you from invasions from other Nation-States during and after this so long as you continue to remain within your borders and uphold $this_level of basic human rights. We repeat, any attempt to stop people from leaving or any infractions beyond $date will result in every bit of infrastructure being destroyed and every single person being considered a legitimate target until the entire Islamic State has been eradicated from the Earth and erased from the history books."
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      So, only tangentially related, but I figured I'd share what I've concluded so far. I don't really think the problem is, specifically, religion. I think religion is the excuse and, probably, is what is the primary motivator for the common combatant. I can assure you that the common combatant is not, in fact, an actual representation of the motivations behind this group of people. Give them the right to self-determination, let them create their nation, ensure they've given those wishing to leave a safe passage out while retaining their assets, and then help them to become responsible. I know, that's an absurd thought to most but, perhaps, you'll understand where I'm coming from and what I'm envisioning.

      I've kind of posted more than I should today so my post limit is pretty much used up. Slashdot has a 50/day post limit, regardless of how high your karma goes. It's arbitrary and silly but, there it is. I'll do my best to reply should such be warranted. I do apologize for the digression and the novella but, seeing as you managed to clarify, I figure that taking it to the next step may be an interesting conversation. I'm always open to other insights, views, and learning new things.

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    97. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      911 AND ISIS are both examples of what happens when governments go off half cocked without thinking about the ramifications of their actions or long term consequences.

      Big difference, ISIS is not a legitimate government, though it thinks it is. It would like you to believe it is.

      I know it is fashionable amongst conservatives to equate ISIS with all Muslims, but the simple truth is ISIS does not speak for Islam. Again they will try and try to convince you they do just like Republicans will try to convince you Islam = Terrorist. They are both wrong and are both making an emotional argument based on opinion , not fact.

      We need to keep these rational points in mind.

    98. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      looks like someone doesn't like you or doesn't like the truth

    99. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I cannot understand your use of the word 'Muslim' to realy mean 'Oil Power'...
      Are we all going to support another terrorist attack to get full control of the gas (aka fossil energy) price?

    100. Re:Quicker by aethelrick · · Score: 1

      It's an interesting thought experiment; If you take away the reason to fight then perhaps the fighting may stop? Seems like you could at least dilute the problem to a degree by doing this. Of course however, the zealots back home would likely discard the forethought and use the charity of your actions as evidence of your evil-loving ways in order to drum up support to topple your government.

      The truly hard part about this is that, in human politics someone is always going to lose (even if only in their own perceptions) and get disgruntled about how their particular bad situation is ALL some other guys fault. These feelings lead to retaliation, which lead to more retaliation etc. Natural selection has unfortunately hard-wired us to polarize our views, summarize, ignore detail and make snap decisions based on feelings rather than objective analysis of facts e.g. I have a feeling that maybe that lion is about to eat me... (the guy that tried to figure out if the lion was hungry prior to running away got eaten) and his pal that run is the one who procreated. While this does not bode well for rational thought or indeed rational problem resolution, at least as a species we are aware enough, that some of us recognize our shortcomings and teach our kids to think critically, considering the consequences of their actions prior to them being made. You never know it might catch on :)

      On a less serious note... Maybe their should be a law of human social dynamics concerning the 'conservation of discontent'? If only their was some way we could dilute the ill will at the heart of a conflict into a global 'frown and role of the eyes' rather than the tiny flash-point of extreme violence it is.

    101. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, they haven't been interfering enough. Time to depopulate the area. And to dispose of the subhuman shit that has invaded Europe.

      CAPTCHA: Crusades

    102. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Your mom is ISIS?

    103. Re:Quicker by AikonMGB · · Score: 1

      Why does anyone require 'due diligence' and fact-checking against insane violent assholes like these Sunni extremist fuckstains that laughingly call themselves the 'Islamic State'

      Well, for a start, to make sure that's who's actually responsible. (Not saying they're not - or that they don't deserve action anyway, but if it weren't them, then another guilty party could be getting away with no action due to a lack of due diligence)

      Here is a perfect example: Toronto Games Critic [Veerender Jubbal] Falsely Linked with Paris Attacks .

    104. Re:Quicker by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I think such a resolution would need to come from the UN. Which, of course, makes it impossible. It would take buy-in, at the global level, for it to even have a chance at success. It is all, after quite a bit of thought, that I can come up with. As I have absolutely no say in the matter, I'm open to suggestions. As you said, it's a thought exercise. I'm not really sure what else we can, reasonably, try. It is, I think, the most acceptable of bad options and better than the false dichotomy that is being placed in front of us (Assad or IS).

      Also, I have a stalker who's claimed their going to mod "every one of my posts down." (That's going to be difficult for them.) Or, alternatively, I've hit on a plan that someone doesn't like. If the former is true then them granting me the power to control their actions is a nice ego boost. If it is the latter then, more exciting, I've maybe hit on a plan that could work against the powers that be.

      There are certain benefits to be had, for those people in power, by maintaining a constant state of conflict. The lion quote is nice and made me think of the adage. I don't have to be able to outrun the lion. I only need to be able to outrun you. If they can keep us afraid of the lion they can keep us distracted.

      I was reading an interesting essay. Basically, it postulated that we, as a society, only think we're getting smarter. It was not that long ago that one had to know how to be a medic, blacksmith, farmer, food processor, mechanic, engineer, teacher, etc. Today, we have specific domain knowledge and can't do things that were required not that long ago - we don't have to fix our car, grow our food, invent new tools, or things like that. The lion was, perhaps, social advances?

      I like your conservation of discontent. Look at the current Outrage Society we have. There is nothing, not one thing, that you can do that someone isn't offended by. There are even people who are offended by your very existence. No matter how polite you are, you will find someone who's willing to be offended. No, not willing, but eager. I sometimes wonder if this is intentional. I don't recall this being the case during the majority of my life and I'm almost 58 (close enough to where I might as well, and do, say it).

      I'm not sure where this cultural thing came from but, I guess, it's probably a "good thing" that we're in that position - where we can be outraged over the trivial things means we've probably resolved the major things. I suspect we'll always have reason for outrage as perfection simply will not happen.

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    105. Re:Quicker by elfprince13 · · Score: 1

      They may be medieval lunatics, but they seem pretty serious about enforcing a consistent (if deeply regressive) version of sharia, and in their eyes it's better to be a dhimmi than an apostate, and the reports I've read suggest they consider any Muslims who disagree with them to be apostates. I definitely wouldn't use the term "beneficence" to describe them (even relatively speaking).

    106. Re:Quicker by Straif · · Score: 1

      Your numbers don't really help your argument. Being #19 in giving when you are one of the wealthiest countries in the world with one of the highest GNI (gross national income) when countries of similar population size with gni's much lower routinely give more than 4-6 times as much humanitarian assistance just makes it look like your doing it for show. Much like a Prince worth 22 billion (yes with a B) giving 1 million to charity.

      That's like gloating because you give a penny to feed the hungry.

      And don't look at other countries in the region like Qatar because they make Scrooge McDuck jealous with how tight they hold onto a dollar.

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    107. Re:Quicker by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Or this:

      http://www.bbc.com/news/techno...

      Yeah, sure the release wasn't Anonymous, but it still identified people who were clearly not in the KKK.

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    108. Re:Quicker by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      APK, your logic is ridiculously flawed! Your grammar is also terrible.

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    109. Re:Quicker by dl_sledding · · Score: 1

      Wow, that is extremely interesting... They are spending (percentage-wise) about the same as the US on this. Thanks for that, I did not know.

      Not that it forgives them for supporting, funding, and harboring terrorism, but it does show another facet that really isn't well known.

    110. Re:Quicker by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      You've got a strange definition of modern.

      The definition of "modern" is irrelevant; you added that modifier as a straw man. My original statement was "That hasn't stopped Christians from murdering each other over Christianity by the millions", which is true. And the Reformation certainly represents the kind of Christianity that is practiced today, at least according to the churches themselves.

      I only gave those examples because they are the most obvious one. In fact, one of the most devastating religious wars occurred in the 20th century: WWII, which was deeply rooted in Christian conflicts and beliefs. But understanding the roles that the Catholic churches, protestant churches, and Christian ideology played in that conflict require more analysis and historical knowledge than you say you possess.

    111. Re:Quicker by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      There is fairly well-known WWII example of Lauren's assertion for GP.

    112. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's because we don't have bureaucracy to get in the way. But I assure you, we investigate things very carefully. For example,

      These set of attacks, and the response does not make a lot of sense.

      1. If you were in charge of ISIS and being bombed by the United States and Russia, would you launch an attack against France that would most likely respond by adding to the bombing of designated ISIS targets? If you wouldn't do that, then why do you believe they would?

      2. The claims on CNN are that the terrorist originated in Syria but it was planned in Belgium. That was very quick information for them to come up with that. But let's assume it was true. The 9/11 attacks the attackers originated from Saudi Arabia, yet the U.S. attacked Afganistan. Clearly the country where people came from is not always to be the ones to blame, and If you were president Assad and if you really planned something like this, would you want it linked to your country? What if you are simply in Syria, but you were a terrorist; wouldn't you want it linked to some other country or area that would somehow benefit you and your people?

      3. Ever since Obama wanted to invade Syria after the alleged chemical weapon use, and the American people would let him, ISIS suddenly pops out of nowhere, and gives Obama the excuse to go into Syria. I don't want to digress into the who created and supplies ISIS, but the United States was allegedly bombing ISIS, and then Russia comes in and does it (for real). The U.S. was against that, but when France entered the conflict, Obama supports it, so clearly the United States wants France in the conflict.

      4. The intel identifying all the suspects and their origins and planning location came very quick, and I have no doubt reason to doubt this, as I would be capable of tracking this information down as well if I desired to do so; but France started bombing, and the United States is designating targets for them. Russia can't accidently hit one of their planes without bringing the entire E.U. into the conflict, so this clearly benefits Obama and his buddies.

      5. Intel suggest this was a false flag attack. That is political actors wanted to bring France into the conflict, and so they inspired already disgruntled muslims to attack, and those individuals were too stupid to figure out it was a trick. The witnesses indicate the attackers spoke French as if it was their primary language. This adds to the final point; this false flag event originated in France.

      The question is why would that happen?

      1. The U.S. Dollar is collapsing, we have seen rock solid evidence of this.

      2. Anonymous accurately predicted one of Obama's inner circle would be giving Interviews on this and as it turns out, within 3 days, that came true. in fact, Two of the four primary people gave the interview at the same time on CNN.

      John McCain.
      Lindsey Graham
      Harry Reid
      Diane Feinstein
      Mitch McConnell
      Nancy Pelosi
      Joe Biden
      Hillary Clinton
      Eric Holder
      Michael Bloomberg
      George Soros
      Barack Obama
      George Bush
      Bill Clinton

      And of course the first two on the list were giving the interview.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4fWE23B0A0

      3. Because the economy is collapsing, the NWO (New World Order) are attempting to maintain and expand their control by establishing a one world government, one world currency, all under control of a few. And to do this they need to make all the governments more similar. Fascism is the easiest form of government to establish from the existing types; Those countries with a radical different government are simply being destablized, which includes most of the Middle East. see the following.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8YtF76s-yM

      4. So for various reasons I won't go into in order to keep this brief, the U.S. is bombing in Syria, and Russia enterend the conflict (invited by Syria)

      5. So how does it apply to the attacks in France? Countries are positioning themselves politically and militarily fo

    113. Re:Quicker by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      I usually find myself agreeing with you mostly but in this we are diametrically opposed. Some people just don't deserve to be residing on the same planet as others and this is the case here. You cannot give them their caliphate as the goal is an Islamic globe and that goal won't change. if you break up the 'caliphate' then they will distribute themselves amongst the more rational and unless you have your head in the sand you know what that means.

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    114. Re:Quicker by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure where this cultural thing came from but, I guess, it's probably a "good thing" that we're in that position - where we can be outraged over the trivial things means we've probably resolved the major things. I suspect we'll always have reason for outrage as perfection simply will not happen.

      Even a mass murderers words can be educational

      The Historical Roots of “Political Correctness”

      Western Europe is today dominated by an alien system of beliefs, attitudes and values that we have come to know as “Political Correctness.” Political Correctness seeks to impose a uniformity of thought and behaviour on all Europeans and is therefore totalitarian in nature. Its roots lie in a version of Marxism which seeks a radical inversion of the traditional culture in order to create a social revolution.

      Social revolution has a long history, conceivably going as far back as Plato’s Republic. But it was the French Revolution of 1789 that inspired Karl Marx to develop his theories in the nineteenth century. In the twentieth century, the success of the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 in Russia set off a wave of optimistic expectation among the Marxist forces in Europe and America that the new proletarian world of equality was finally coming into being. Russia, as the first communist nation in the world, would lead the revolutionary forces to victory.

      The Marxist revolutionary forces in Europe leaped at this opportunity. Following the end of World War I, there was a Communist “Spartacist” uprising in Berlin, Germany led by Rosa Luxemburg; the creation of a “Soviet” in Bavaria led by Kurt Eisner; and a Hungarian communist republic established by Bela Kun in 1919. At the time, there was great concern that all of Europe might fall under the banner of Bolshevism. This sense of impending doom was given vivid life by Trotsky’s Red Army invasion of Poland in 1919. However, the Red Army was defeated by Polish forces at the battle of the Vistula in 1920. The Spartacist, Bavarian Soviet and Bela Kun governments all failed to gain widespread support from the workers and after a brief time they were all overthrown. These events created a quandary for the Marxist revolutionaries in Europe. Under Marxist economic theory, the oppressed workers were supposed to be the beneficiaries of a social revolution that would place them on top of the power structure. When these revolutionary opportunities presented themselves, however, the workers did not respond. The Marxist revolutionaries did not blame their theory for these failures. They blamed the workers.

      One group of Marxist intellectuals resolved their quandary by an analysis that focused on society’s cultural “superstructure” rather than on the economic substructures as Marx did. The Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci and Hungarian Marxist Georg Lukacs contributed the most to this new cultural Marxism.

      Antonio Gramsci worked for the Communist International during 1923-24 in Moscow and Vienna. He was later imprisoned in one of Mussolini’s jails where he wrote his famous “Prison Notebooks.” Among Marxists, Gramsci is noted for his theory of cultural hegemony as the means to class dominance. In his view, a new “Communist man” had to be created before any political revolution was possible. This led to a focus on the efforts of intellectuals in the fields of education and culture. Gramsci envisioned a long march through the society’s institutions, including the government, the judiciary, the military, the schools and the media. He also concluded that so long as the workers had a Christian soul, they would not respond to revolutionary appeals.

      Georg Lukacs was the son a wealthy Hungarian banker. Lukacs began his political life as an agent of the Communist International. His book History and Class Consciousness gained him recognition as the leading Marxist theorist since Karl Marx. Lukacs believed that for a new Marxist

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    115. Re:Quicker by hutsell · · Score: 1

      Don't post angry, that's a bad idea. You may also want to consider other viewpoints than "exterminate them down to the last motherfucking one of them". Perhaps a quote from 'A man for all seasons' may help:

      Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
      Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
      Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
      Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

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      When those in authority are allowed to break the law, there isn't any law — just a fight for survival.

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    116. Re:Quicker by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      I'm not much of a history buff, so I didn't know about that. Thanks for the link.

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    117. Re:Quicker by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I support trying to reason with everyone. In this case, sufficient military force, correctly applied, might well create an environment where ISIS members (who are not dead or convicted) could perhaps start listening to reason.

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    118. Re:Quicker by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      I went through your link and I'm not seeing anything from modern history in there.

      You put up a straw man by adding the word "modern", without justification or even explanation what you mean by that. That makes your response manipulative and dishonest.

      The wars I was referring to were the Thirty Years War and the Huguenot Wars, both of which were wars between Catholic and protestants in their "modern" form. You can add many of the wars in the British Isles to that. And arguably, WWII was also a war between Christians.

    119. Re:Quicker by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      I don't think the original post by NostalgiaForInfinity claiming millions of Christians have died at each others hands was useful except as a throw-away statement designed to illicit response.

      No, I didn't just claim that "millions of Christians have died at each others hands", I said that Christians killed each other by the millions over Christianity. And whether you find that observation "useful" or not isn't the point. The point is that claims that Christianity is somehow peaceful or moral, or that it is more peaceful than Islam are ludicrous in the light of historical reality.

      Personally I'm of the opinion that religious people have been deceived

      We live in literate, educated societies. Everybody can read the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the Koran. Secondary schools in the US and Europe teach basic European history, including the numerous wars between Catholics and protestants, the Crusades, the role of churches in colonialism and cultural imperialism, the role of the Catholic and protestant churches in Nazi Germany, and the Islamic empires.

      "I have been deceived" is not a valid excuse given all that information and education. If after all that you still choose to call yourself a Catholic, protestant, or Muslim, people have a right to hold you responsible and accountable for your choice of religion and all the history that goes along with it.

    120. Re:Quicker by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      that some of us recognize our shortcomings and teach our kids to think critically, considering the consequences of their actions prior to them being made

      Religious extremists are often quite rational, it is simply that their world is very different from yours. Your main concerns are likely to do something useful within the economy, advance in your job, advance your career, save for retirement, plan for your next vacation, and don't sound too stupid at cocktail parties. Religious extremists are part of very different social contexts and have very different goals and constraints on them. If you could make a list of propositions about the world and then objectively judge which ones are rational and which ones aren't, you'd likely find that they are rational and correct about at least as many propositions as you are.

    121. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      homosexuality is certainly cast in a negative light in both the Old Testament and the New Testament.

    122. Re:Quicker by fropenn · · Score: 1

      Only 4% were "positive" while the other 9% were "somewhat positive." Being positive or somewhat positive toward a group doesn't mean they are going to be violent or represent any real threat. Have they done the same poll in other parts of the world? I bet in many parts of the world the rates of positive views toward ISIS are similar (probably even in the U.S.).

      If you had lived in Syria, would you have had positive views toward Syria? How easily we condemn others.

      Just because they are refugees doesn't make them bad people.

    123. Re:Quicker by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure it's the same thing. Evacuation of fighting troops so they can fight again is one thing, but a nation of civilians under attack, simply running away and hiding elsewhere not interested in fighting for their homes is another.
      What do Syrians expect to happen here, just to flee and get someone else to sort out there problems for them? I'm sure it's more complicated than that, but at some point someone has to stand-up for themselves. Why does that always seem to be us?

    124. Re:Quicker by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      That's a rather simplistic way of looking at it.

      Running away can allow you to gather, take a few breaths, re-group and figure out how to attack the problem in the long-term...

      Or as has been the case for the last few decades, move to a nicer a country and simply forget about it.
      I think more of the burden lies with refugees. Sure you're welcome to shelter in my house while you regroup, but that invitation will expire, so start thinking about a plan to go home.
      Maybe refugee camps could double as military conscription centres? We'll take you in, but you get 6 months of training then we send you back to try and sort your problems out yourself.

    125. Re:Quicker by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      The only way you can argue that the New Testament doesn't forbid homosexuality is by literally redefining what Paul wrote, as you pointed out yourself.

      No, that's not what I said. What Paul said was in a nearly two-thousand-year-old dead language (Koine Greek). We don't know precisely what some of those words meant in that day. We can only approximate it based on how those words were translated into other languages later, both in that text and in other texts over the course of centuries. And when the same word has been translated in radically different ways in different passages from different authors, it is pretty certain that (at least) one of those translations is wrong. You can pretty flip a coin about which one, and you'll be right half of the time, but you cannot know with any certainty which half of the time.

      Any Christian who makes that argument is literally ignoring the words of their own holy book ...

      No, any Christian who makes that argument is literally ignoring the words of really, really bad, highly inconsistent translations of their own holy book. The people who actually study the original texts in the original language don't agree with one another about what those words mean. The word Arsenokoites appears twice in the Bible, both times in Paul's writings; the word never appeared previously in any text, and only appears 80 times in all of known literature. Other texts from the time appear to imply that it actually meant prostitution, orgies, homosexual acts by straight people, sex with children, incest, rape.... Later texts even said that men could commit that sin with their wives, which pretty much rules out the translation that you're dogmatically clinging to, though it does not definitively do so, because the meaning of the word could have shifted over those five hundred years or so.

      Either way, the point is that nobody has the slightest idea what the original meaning of the word was. For all we know, for the people to whom Paul was writing, it might have been local slang for "having sex with sheep". We just don't know.

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    126. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are aware that the US itself doesn't really have clean hands in terms of supporting terrorists, yes? Or perhaps you'd like to talk about the atrocities committed by Christians over the last couple of millenia?

    127. Re:Quicker by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Both of those examples were wars of secession by a group of countries/territories who wanted religious freedom that was being denied to them by their government. As such, religion was at best tangential. It could have just as easily been a fight over freedom to drink beer on Sundays for all religion mattered to the situation. What mattered was that their freedoms were being limited, and they didn't like it.

      Also, although the Thirty Years War started as a war over religion, it quickly turned into a much broader conflict between warring regional superpowers that had nothing to do with religion. That's why the death toll rose into the millions.

      Also, the Protestant Reformation is not generally considered to have ended until more than a hundred years after the Thirty Years War. So IMO, neither of those wars can be considered to have been fought among "modern" Christians, because the dust hadn't really settled yet.

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    128. Re:Quicker by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I'm not overly worried about the fascist meme. It was a brief 20th century phenomenon that was thoroughly crushed 70 years ago, and has had minuscule support since then

      You clearly have no idea of what is going on in Europe then.

      Here's a clue: Anders Breivik was a fascist terrorist who killed 77 people in Norway in 2011 on his own.

      I know it's traditional here to call any right wing terrorist a lone wolf madman, but there are fascists in government in places like Hungary.

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    129. Re:Quicker by aethelrick · · Score: 1

      No, I didn't just claim that "millions of Christians have died at each others hands", I said that Christians killed each other by the millions over Christianity. And whether you find that observation "useful" or not isn't the point. The point is that claims that Christianity is somehow peaceful or moral, or that it is more peaceful than Islam are ludicrous in the light of historical reality.

      Well, um... yes you did. Because if they didn't die at each others hands... then who's hands did they die at? I could understand your objection if I had placed my paraphrasing of your statement in quote marks, but I didn't. I paraphrased your post. That clearly said...

      That hasn't stopped Christians from murdering each other over Christianity by the millions.

      ...that was me quoting you word for word, feel free to take offence if I got it wrong this time. Regarding your other point about deception not being a valid excuse for ones behaviour; I agree to a point. Though I would also say that the deceiver shares some of the blame for the crimes committed as a result of the deception.

      People are happy to remain in a state that allows them to feel comfortable and knowledgeable about who they are and the work they live in. It's difficult (though admittedly not impossible) to unlearn what was drilled into you in the first ten years of your life. It's mostly true that people inherit their parents morals and view of the world, including their religious beliefs. Personally I want nothing to do with religion, it's too convenient an excuse for people to use to justify their own questionable actions. I understand why it developed as a way to control populations living in large impersonal groups for the first time, but I think it is an out-dated concept built on lies and one which we would do well to get rid of as a species.

    130. Re:Quicker by aethelrick · · Score: 1

      I don't think you can include "extremists" in any group of people being described as "rational". The reason they're referred to as extremists in the first place is that they resort to extreme measures outside of the scope of a normal rational individual in order to achieve their goals. Indeed the goals of extremists are usually erm... extreme in nature themselves e.g. "kill them all" etc

      Of course anyone can behave rationally. But my context was clear in my use of the term "irrational"; people often act without thinking, they are genetically predisposed to this way of being. Take "normal" people and put them in extreme circumstances and these instinctive responses can lead them to do some pretty horrific and unthinkable things. As a species, our best hope for self-preservation is to curtail these instincts and try to do what we know is best for all of us.

      You don't know anything about me, where I grew up or the sorts of experiences I have had in my life. You seem to have assumed that I am a relatively wealthy, western, sheltered sort that has no appreciation for the difficult circumstances these people find themselves in. In this you are wrong. I have witnessed violence first hand more than once, I have also lost loved ones and family members to the irrational behaviour of others. I know what it is like to go without food for days at a time and I have known hardship. While I live in the UK today, I didn't grow up here, while I am educated and well read I still remember what it is like to be desperate.

      People do have very different goals and constraints on them, you are right, but, their are fundamental ways of being that go deeper than culture. All of us who are of sound mind understand instinctively that killing is wrong, hurting others is wrong, hurting ourselves is wrong. We don't need to be taught this, it is part of what we are. Empathy evolved in our species a very long time ago because it promotes the survival of our genes.

      People don't naturally want to kill each other. They do so out of desperation and they are very reluctant at first. Even after people have taken this step to kill another, the feeling that what they are doing is very badly wrong never goes away and they NEED to justify their actions somehow in order to live with themselves. This is usually where the extreme (religious) beliefs enter the picture, self-deceptions that allow them to not hate themselves as much as they would without them. It's really very sad. The sooner we can educate ourselves out of religion the better.

    131. Re:Quicker by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      ...that was me quoting you word for word,

      No, you didn't quote me "word for word". In fact, you left out an important part of my statement.

    132. Re:Quicker by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      What mattered was that their freedoms were being limited, and they didn't like it.

      That's plainly wrong in light of what happened. These people didn't fight for, nor did they achieve, religious liberty in general; what they achieved was a Catholic France, and a patchwork of Catholic and protestant German states.

      As such, religion was at best tangential.

      That is utterly ludicrous.

      Also, the Protestant Reformation is not generally considered to have ended until more than a hundred years after the Thirty Years War. So IMO, neither of those wars can be considered to have been fought among "modern" Christians, because the dust hadn't really settled yet.

      Really? And what dogmatic differences made them "not modern"?

    133. Re:Quicker by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      Of course anyone can behave rationally. But my context was clear in my use of the term "irrational"; people often act without thinking, they are genetically predisposed to this way of being.

      Yes, and I'm saying that you are misdiagnosing the sources of terrorism and mass murder. You're thinking in Freudian terms, in which a rational super-ego imposes morality on an irrational id. But while that view might be generally true for sex (which Freud obsessed over), it's probably not true for killing. Killing is distasteful to most people, and it usually takes reasoning for people to overcome that inhibition. That's why it is very hard for military training around the world to turn teenagers into killing machines.

      People don't naturally want to kill each other.

      Yes, correct. And in saying that, you implicitly recognize that the inhibition against killing is instinctual and rooted in empathy, rather than reason.

      Even after people have taken this step to kill another, the feeling that what they are doing is very badly wrong never goes away and they NEED to justify their actions somehow in order to live with themselves.

      Here you say it again: the inhibitions against killing are rooted in feeling, while killing requires the rational process of justification.

      It's really very sad. The sooner we can educate ourselves out of religion the better.

      I think religion is largely irrelevant to these questions. Christians and Muslims have murdered each other in large numbers, but so have atheists. Atheistic movements like communism function largely like religions. Religion is simply one label for a general mechanism by which people form groups and group identities. The fact that religious dogma is particularly irrational is irrelevant; communism was rooted in something that appeared to be a scientific and rational view of economics at the time, but communists didn't convert en mass to something else when those economic theories turned out to be false.

    134. Re:Quicker by aethelrick · · Score: 1

      I think you'll find I quoted your entire opening sentence. That is all, nothing more. This is OK. It was not out of context, the rest of your post is plain to read for others. Consider that a sentence is...

      a set of words that is complete in itself, typically containing a subject and predicate, conveying a statement, question, exclamation, or command, and consisting of a main clause and sometimes one or more subordinate clauses.

      ... and the fact that the rest of your post was prefaced with the word "Furthermore" meaning 'in addition; besides (used to introduce a fresh consideration in an argument).' then I'm sure you'll understand why I did not consider the rest of your post as germane to the part I quoted.

      I am operating on the (perhaps mistaken) belief that you mean what you are typing and that you understand the words and grammar you choose to use. If you believe that I have misunderstood you then, that's OK, simply use some other words to describe what you DO mean so we can communicate more effectively. Alas, at the moment, I can't agree with you as you're not making sense.

    135. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you said is:

      I don't think the original post by NostalgiaForInfinity claiming millions of Christians have died at each others hands was useful except as a throw-away statement designed to illicit response.

      As I was saying: this is a misrepresentation of what I said.

      I am operating on the (perhaps mistaken) belief that you mean what you are typing and that you understand the words and grammar you choose to use

      I do. Apparently, you simply can't read.

    136. Re:Quicker by aethelrick · · Score: 1

      I think we broadly agree in terms of how we understand people work regarding emotions, instincts and thoughts. Where we do differ is...

      I think religion is largely irrelevant to these questions.

      I don't. I think religion is a well worn excuse and motivator used by those seeking to rationalize the bad things they have ordered or the things they want others to do. Religion uses the believer's readiness to blindly and unconditionally accept the will of a higher power with an agenda that often runs counter to human well being. It provides a control mechanism for bad people to turn others bad and to get them to behave is despicable ways. I think that we need to actively remove it from our societies and governments, point it out for the lies it is, and debunk it at every opportunity so that we can stop the rot.

    137. Re:Quicker by PapayaSF · · Score: 1

      Of course I remember Breivik, but as you say he was one guy. He had no mass support the way Islamic radicals do.

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    138. Re:Quicker by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      Not dying right now is a pretty obvious step in preserving the means for retaliation. In this case, there are entities who have offered (however willingly or begrudgingly) their support in keeping the refugees alive. In the situation of a refugee, I'd take that support.

      I have friends who cycled out of Cambodia while Pol Pot was trying to start a Dark Age all on his own, and another friend who walked across Sudan because the militia was after him. The first crew makes a living in counseling. The other guy worked three jobs to put himself through college in Public Health and he's going back as soon as he can.

      Granted, some people are going to decide that hanging out in the EU is better than going back to fight the assholes that took the home country. You have a good point there. There isn't some general who is going to send them back (children, grandparents and all) to liberate their homeland. (There's a sort of historical example of that, too.) If you're bitter that "it always has to be [you lot]" doing the supporting or the standing up, I can sympathize. But not too much. Your government spends a fraction of your taxes to keep people from extermination. They work in your country. Then, (maybe) they go back and fix theirs.

      How much would you be willing to contribute to keep a family of four from being murdered? If it's more than a ten-thousandth of your revenue, your government already has that covered... for hundreds of people.

    139. Re:Quicker by dl_sledding · · Score: 1

      Oh, as far as the US Govt, no doubt. No doubt at all. If it was convenient for us, we did it. If we wanted to make a change in a country but couldn't operate either diplomatically or politically, we've done it. However, history shows we aren't much good at it... actually, we're quite bad at it and every time we try it the situation blows up in our faces, or we pull a double-cross and piss everyone off. Osama bin Laden is an obvious example of that type of fuckup. But, that really has nothing to do with the meat of my post: that Saudi Arabia is spending (percentage of GDP wise) as much as the US is on foreign aid, which they should be commended for, and which probably goes unnoticed and unrewarded in the public eye. Not sure why you seem to be trolling me about this???

      As far as the Christians, you are right, they did (IN THE PAST) commit atrocities. Obviously the Crusades is the first event to come to mind. In the US alone, the whole Salem debacle was a fun time. But, I said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about Christians in my response to KGill, nor even named the Islamic religion; simply "terrorists" in general. So, your straw man argument will not be discussed. Get the hell off my lawn, AC. Oh, and if you want to have a discussion (or an argument), use your real name and not AC.

    140. Re:Quicker by KGIII · · Score: 1

      They are #19 in the world by GDP. They are #19 in terms of giving. You were saying?

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    141. Re:Quicker by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I only knew it because it was on NPR a long time ago. :/ It doesn't get much media coverage. They give the same amount you'd expect. I was kind of surprised and then someone said they didn't so, yeah... I figured I'd better look it up and, sure enough.

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    142. Re: Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what's your real name dl sledding? You seem to believe knowing it will give your argument some kind of power. It doesn't

    143. Re:Quicker by KGIII · · Score: 1

      We have never tried it. With the varied stipulations, it may work. Let's assume that the killing of innocents is considered unreasonable, even if just a thought exercise. What options do we have remaining?

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    144. Re:Quicker by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      Just one. Outright destruction. It will either be ours or theirs but there are no half way measures they will ever ever accept. I suspect it will be our destruction as we have just a little too much acceptance, tolerance and diversity to do what has to be done.

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    145. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And when ISIS hits the wrong target and disables the wrong twitter account it will be all over the world news.

      But when an extra judicial drone assassination attempt hits a hospital by accident it's rarely newsworthy.

    146. Re:Quicker by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      http://www.breitbart.com/londo... -- yes I know it's Breitbat but you aren't going to actually get truthiness from the MSM.

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    147. Re:Quicker by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      All good points, and I didn't mean to sound like a dick, it just seems like a lot of one way traffic lately.
      FWIW, working in IT most people I work with are immigrants and they're mostly decent people. But I do believe that there is a critical point with introduced cultures where both too little and too much bring adverse affects. The trick is finding the sweet spot in the middle.

    148. Re:Quicker by KGIII · · Score: 1

      This thought exercise requires that we don't kill innocents. (I know, I know, but bear with me.) How do you propose we will kill just the IS soldiers and supporters?

      I read your other link, I didn't watch the video so I'm assuming the description is accurate. I kind of like the idea of America walking softly and carrying a big stick. Let's let Europe play with their problem. Either way, it's not like anyone will try my suggestion so we're safe there. I still think it might be interesting to see the results. Maybe they'd settle down? Maybe they'd not try to be expansionists and make us kill them all. Getting the innocent out and those who want to leave out would be a good start. After that, I suppose, we could always renege on our deal and just bomb the hell out of them.

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    149. Re:Quicker by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I've left this tab open for a while. It's a lot to digest. I feel obligated to reply but I've yet to process it all and don't like making uninformed opinions. I'm inclined to agree, it seems to make sense. It fits what I know of history, fairly well. So, unfortunately, for now, you get, "Thanks and that will require some thought."

      I may, indeed, reply later - if such is okay. For now? I've read it three times, in full. I'm still pondering. I'll leave the tab open and refer to it again in a while (again) and see what comes to mind with some fresh thoughts. It sounds, well, either too simple or too conspiratorial. I'm not sure which, at this point, and can't put my finger on it. While I'm inclined to accept it at face value, frankly, it just looks too nicely packaged.

      I'm not sure if that makes sense or not.

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    150. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is not the same as 13% expressing "support" for ISIS.

      Whether or not the survey response means they support Daesh, I would still be concerned that they even have a somewhat positive view of that bunch of evil motherfuckers. Someone that has an even slightly positive view of Daesh is not someone I want to be around.

    151. Re:Quicker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I posted my previous reply in haste, so neglected to respond to this:

      The survey didn't expand on "military achievements", but it wouldn't surprise me if the most common reason for a Syrian refugee holding a positive (or mildly positive) view of ISIS is that nobody else is trying to oust the Ba'athist regime.

      That's bollocks.

      Specifically, there are Syrian rebels who have nothing to do with Daesh, and the Russians have been attacking them along with Daesh in their support of Assad.

      It seems to be true that Daesh has led to Assad losing control of parts of Syria that he would otherwise have maintained control of, however it is false to say "nobody else is trying to oust the Ba'athist regime."

    152. Re:Quicker by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      That's plainly wrong in light of what happened. These people didn't fight for, nor did they achieve, religious liberty in general; what they achieved was a Catholic France, and a patchwork of Catholic and protestant German states.

      They didn't fight for religious liberty in general, but rather for the right to exercise their particular religion. That's hardly a material difference except in terms of the number of religious groups involved.

      Really? And what dogmatic differences made them "not modern"?

      Half the Protestant religions didn't even exist yet, because people like Calvin and Wesley hadn't even been born yet. Over time, many aspects of those new denominations had significant impact on other denominations, and even on Catholicism. For example, Luther might have seriously pissed off the Catholic Church, but over the centuries that followed, the Catholic Church saw significant reform (e.g. no more sale of indulgences) resulting from both them and Luther's other writings. Perhaps the ultimate example of this is that Catholics now typically say Mass in the native language of the region (the vernacular) instead of Latin. That change didn't happen until the Second Vatican Council, in the 1960s.

      But the bigger impact was the formation of America itself. The Protestant Reformation caused various groups to spring up, all demanding their right to worship as they chose. This basically forced the U.S. to become the secular society that we live in today. As a result, both Catholics and Protestants have come to accept differences in religious beliefs, and to agree to disagree. This is, of course, a journey rather than a destination, and there are still groups of Christians who discriminate against other groups of Christians, but not nearly to the same degree.

      All of these things had a very real impact on what we think of as a "modern Christian". It isn't all about dogma and theology, though that is part of it. Any such definition must also include the societal evolution brought about by the Protestant Reformation—a change that has taken hundreds of years to reach fruition.

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    153. Re:Quicker by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Whether or not the survey response means they support Daesh, I would still be concerned that they even have a somewhat positive view of that bunch of evil motherfuckers. Someone that has an even slightly positive view of Daesh is not someone I want to be around.

      I agree with you, but you and I are not running for our lives, so we might have a different perspective on the world than they do.

      In the Western world of the 1930s, many intellectuals were communists. It seems kind of stupid to us today, but there was a large body of thinking that liberal democracy was fragile, and wouldn't survive the economic crisis. Many European countries, in particular, were losing their new republican democracies, and were either going fascist or communist. If you honestly believed that this was going to happen, and you had to pick one of the two sides, communism was an understandable choice.

      Suppose you're fleeing the Ba'athist regime. The alternative, staying, may mean that you will probably get drafted to drop barrel bombs on your fellow citizens, flattening entire city blocks in the vain hope of killing a few rebels who are probably underground. (Even Syrians who don't mind Assad that much generally don't want to do that.) Russia is on Assad's side, and the US isn't doing anything. The only group opposing Assad is ISIS.

      Is it so unreasonable for you, in that situation, to say "well, I don't like ISIS, but at least they're actually doing something about the brutal dictatorship"? Remember, when pressed on why they have a mildly positive view towards ISIS, the number one cited reason by Syrian refugees isn't their religious ideology or their humanitarian policy, but their "military achievements".

      History is full of instances of bad regimes being overthrown only to be replaced by bad regimes. Hell, it happened in France; Paris gave the world the word "terror" to refer to this kind of political violence. It rarely turns out well in the near term. Nonetheless, you don't know what you'd do in that situation and neither do I, because neither of us have done it.

      ISIS are sick, evil bastards, who would be a bad joke if they weren't slaughtering, raping, and enslaving so many people. They are also fighting equally brutal dictators. Many of the people who have tried to escape that world are finding themselves in countries which have a racist level of distrust towards them. If you had nothing, and honestly felt that nobody in the world was on your side, you might have a mildly positive attitude towards some bad people too.

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    154. Re:Quicker by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Specifically, there are Syrian rebels who have nothing to do with Daesh, and the Russians have been attacking them along with Daesh in their support of Assad.

      That is true. It is also true that some of the rebels joined ISIS.

      Syria is a big goddamn mess right now, and there are no "good guys".

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    155. Re:Quicker by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      They didn't fight for religious liberty in general, but rather for the right to exercise their particular religion. That's hardly a material difference except in terms of the number of religious groups involved.

      They didn't just "fight for their right to exercise their particular religion", they fought for the ability to oppress religions they didn't agree with. Yeah, that's a huge material difference, namely the one between freedom of religion and state-imposed religion.

      Half the Protestant religions didn't even exist yet, because people like Calvin and Wesley hadn't even been born yet.

      Are you kidding? The 30 Years War ran from 1618-1648; Calvin died in 1564. The vast majority of Christians on this planet today are Catholics, Orthodox, or a member of one of the protestant denominations that predate the 30 Years War.

      All of these things had a very real impact on what we think of as a "modern Christian".

      My claim wasn't about "modern Christians", it was about "Christians". The "modern" qualifier was an irrelevant straw man put up by KGill for no apparent reason and with no justification.

      It isn't all about dogma and theology, though that is part of it. Any such definition must also include the societal evolution brought about by the Protestant Reformation—a change that has taken hundreds of years to reach fruition.

      People like to delude themselves into think that 21st century Europe is some gradual social progress, from a violent past to an enlightened modern age, driven by the Reformation, the Enlightenment, and technological progress. That's bullshit if you look at actual history, culminating in WWII. The only reason Europeans eventually stopped bashing each others' heads was because they had thoroughly screwed up the continent and there were lots of Russian and US troops stationed there.

    156. Re:Quicker by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      So the refugees are regrouping? And then they'll return to Syria after they've caught their breath?

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    157. Re:Quicker by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      No, that's just one possible example of there being a reason to run away rather than stay and fight.

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  2. Well, at least they're hard to retaliate against. by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

    At least Anonymous has the advantage of being difficult for ISIS to target, unlike military or police forces, or even intelligence services operated by nation-states. How much they can actually accomplish remains to be seen.

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  3. What are they going to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do we actually think that some goatse trolling or whatever Anon has planned is even meaningful vs. crazy psychos who are beheading our soldiers, raping the women of their country, and crucifying/burning/etc. any Christians they can find?

    1. Re:What are they going to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous is certainly pathetic, but it would be still cool if someone would manage to replace some of the IS/Daesh propaganda sites and videos with goatse trolling.

    2. Re:What are they going to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous is certainly pathetic, but it would be still cool if someone would manage to replace some of the IS/Daesh propaganda sites and videos with goatse trolling.

      He he, some might consider that a serious contribution... :)

      In how they communicate IS and Anonymous are a bit similar, they both make propaganda video and tries to instill some form of justice or higher calling... Anonymous are clearly not violent and doesn't deserve any further comparison, but there certainly is a propaganda war to be fought.

    3. Re:What are they going to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Goatse would probably turn them on. Most of them are fags - the ones that aren't busy humping sheep and donkeys. You want to piss them off show them pictures of clothed women doing things like working, driving cars, drinking alcohol, etc. Not anything underage because that will also turn them on.

    4. Re:What are they going to do? by Dunbal · · Score: 0

      As far as I know Anonymous has not chopped anyone's head off. Similar indeed.

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    5. Re: What are they going to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For all we know, Anonymous is ISIS.

    6. Re:What are they going to do? by wyattstorch516 · · Score: 1

      They will hack their Twitter account. That should even the score.

    7. Re:What are they going to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Goatse would probably turn them on. Most of them are fags - the ones that aren't busy humping sheep and donkeys. You want to piss them off show them pictures of clothed women doing things like working, driving cars, drinking alcohol, etc. Not anything underage because that will also turn them on.

      There's actually pictures out there(can't find them at the moment) showing IS people with goats. They call them "comfort goats" because they aren't actually allowed to be with women once they join. Apparently, you are assigned a goat when you join but lower ranks must share 2 or 3 to a goat.
      We need to rescue these poor goats.

    8. Re:What are they going to do? by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      Why not just replace the sites with redirects to fundamentalist Christian sites, or porn sites and let their heads explode.

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  4. if they really want revenge by ganjadude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    they would sign up for the military and go bust some rear

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    1. Re: if they really want revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bust some rear?

      Hold back much?

    2. Re:if they really want revenge by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, except that the US military is deployed in the wrong places, killing the wrong people. World peace would cost the military too much, so we make sure we'll always have enemies. Lots of enemies. It's better for the economy.

    3. Re: if they really want revenge by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Bust some rear?

      Hold back much?

      Did you see his handle name? Most likely he is still in the process of typing out it his comment.

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    4. Re:if they really want revenge by kheldan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's a rather simplistic viewpoint you have there. These Sunni extremists who call themselves 'Islamic State' are using social media on the Internet as a major component in their propaganda machine, and also using it to recruit useful idiots to their cause, often in a very literal sense. Some group that has little to no regard for the legality of their actions (unlike actual law enforcement and government military) that can hack their way into their Facebook, Twitter, and other Internet assets and expose the operators behind them (and maybe their physical location) would be extremely disruptive to their operations on that front. Meanwhile 'signing up for the military' really won't do shit except give these assholes more targets to shoot at. Personally I send all my best to this particular faction of Anonymous, and wish them good hunting and much success in disrupting these assholes as much as possible.

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    5. Re:if they really want revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How would joining the military and killing every resistance against ISIS help at all?
      They helped the terrorists defeat Gaddafi, now they're trying to kill Assad.
      It's thanks to that BS that we have these people in Europe now.

    6. Re: if they really want revenge by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      work PC... nuff said

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    7. Re:if they really want revenge by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The Islamic State calls it self like that because theybalready have conquered an area nearly as big as Syria, covering parts of syria and parts of Iraq, aproaching Bagdad till a few miles.
      They conquered that a year ago, thanks for waking up.
      And they call that their 'State'.

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    8. Re:if they really want revenge by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      did I say US? I highly doubt anon is solely in the US. Where ever you are. go do something about it if you want revenge. goatse is not revenge, its funny but not revenge

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    9. Re:if they really want revenge by freeze128 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Fighting ISIS by joining the military is a lot like fighting Morpheus in the matrix. i.e., "Do you think that how fast you move has anything to do with muscles in this place? Do you think that's air you're breathing?"

      If you join the military, all you will be doing is bombing (maybe) combatants in Syria. The people who perpetrated the attack in Paris obviously were not in Syria.

      Anonymous has the ability to sniff out and actually PREVENT further attacks.

      Of course, they also have the ability to SWAT Counter-strike playing college kids who are no threat.

    10. Re: if they really want revenge by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Yes a little more and he will throw down his gage.

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    11. Re:if they really want revenge by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Except there's a flaw with that thinking. The enemy is not supposed to come and bite you in your own country/economy. Winning against an opponent who uses asymmetric warfare is not easy - not easy at all.

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    12. Re: if they really want revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does the US military have to do with a European hacktivist group responding to an Islamic attack in France?

    13. Re: if they really want revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AK Marc has spent too long listening to Donald Trump and Jeb Bush.

    14. Re:if they really want revenge by tlambert · · Score: 1

      they would sign up for the military and go bust some rear

      Joining the military incurs certain obligations, such as obeying chain of command, and following rules of engagement.

      Both of these hamper military efforts against terrorists, who tend to jump to the far side of the line a military unit can not cross, and then yell "Neener, neener!".

      Not having these restrictions is sometimes useful.

    15. Re:if they really want revenge by reboot246 · · Score: 0

      But they're the junior varsity according to 0bama.
      Plus he says they're not even Islamic!
      I wonder when he will wake up.

    16. Re:if they really want revenge by kheldan · · Score: 2

      Are you kidding me? You should go look for reports for people who have lived under their 'government', if you can call it that. Makes living somewhere like Iran or North Korea look positively pleasant comparatively speaking. Animals in a holding pen at a slaughterhouse are treated better than these assholes treat people in their so-called 'caliphate'. They are violent animals, who posess neither the skillset nor the restraint to actually run a productive modern-day country, and any claims they have to be 'running a State' are laughable at best, and completely illegitimate.

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    17. Re: if they really want revenge by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The OP, the site, and TFA are all US.

    18. Re:if they really want revenge by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Then which military are you recommending the Americans on this American site go join?

    19. Re:if they really want revenge by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > Fighting ISIS by joining the military is a lot like fighting Morpheus in the matrix.

      Agreed.

      "Fighting for Peace is like Fucking for Virginity"

      Violence only begets violence. Work smarter, not harder.

    20. Re:if they really want revenge by Kjella · · Score: 2

      The IS propaganda machine is a hit-n-run operation, they probably lose accounts and sites all the time for violating the terms of service but they just make more. I very much doubt Anonymous is capable of exposing someone who likes to disappear like a fart in the wind, just like Anonymous themselves. Sure hacking into their internal networks would be nice, but that sounds like very legitimate targets for the NSA and friends and that's assuming they're exposed to the Internet in any meaningful way. They might like to do something about it, but I really doubt they can.

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    21. Re:if they really want revenge by kheldan · · Score: 1
      Ever hear this phrase?

      It takes a thief to catch a thief

      That's the name of the game here. Anonymous no doubt has it's high-level operatives who can stick-and-move on the same level as the hackers working for these Sunni extremists can -- and if they know how they operate, then they know how to smoke them out, too. All it takes is getting a solid lead on one of their Internet operatives, and the right people getting their hands on them. Regardless of whether or not something as fortuitous as that happens, harassing and disrupting their Internet operations, if successful, will have an effect: It'll scare off some Useful Idiots who otherwise might get recruited, and more importantly, it'll make this so-called 'islamic state' look like idiots online. Don't discount the power of discrediting someone.

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    22. Re:if they really want revenge by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      If only France, the target of this terrorist attack, had some kind of elite military force composed (mostly) of foreigners... ;-)

      (Not that I agree with the OP, but it's not like your question was without an answer! I guess the youngsters who frequent this site have never watched Laurel and Hardy, with the possible exception of that god-awful Hanna Barbera cartoon...)

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    23. Re:if they really want revenge by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Sure, I wish them luck, but why does the pentagon have to rely on a loosely organised group of pimply teenagers to disrupt ISIS propaganda?
      What happened to the all powerful NSA / CIA I am always hearing about on slashdot? Don't they have nightly backups of the entire internet? Have ISIS admins somehow closed the NSA's infamous backdoors? Why are the spooks who broke Iran's centrifuges with social engineering and sophisticated malware suddenly incapable of hacking a garden variety web site?

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    24. Re:if they really want revenge by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      i didnt realize that america was attacked on friday, Could have sworn it was france.

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    25. Re:if they really want revenge by ganjadude · · Score: 0

      just because its not a state as we would see it doesnt make it any less so

      having said that if they do have their own state, why havent we invaded it and leveled it?

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    26. Re:if they really want revenge by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      You do realize you are posting on an American web site, right?

    27. Re:if they really want revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Fighting for Peace is like Fucking for Virginity"

      "If you know of a better way to make more virgins, I'd like to hear it."

    28. Re:if they really want revenge by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Then which military are you recommending the Americans on this American site go join?

      Plenty of good options.

      US

      France

      Both accept foreigners.

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    29. Re:if they really want revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We don't have to hunt for animals when they are so readily drawn to the salt lick.

    30. Re:if they really want revenge by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      You might be onto something - the KKK was basically stripped of its power by a mere spy who revealed all their inner workings. Having spies in ISIS is probably more useful than bombing their positions. If you can find out where they are you stand a good chance at infiltration.

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    31. Re:if they really want revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct. It is owned by Dice.
      It is to them you swear allegiance when you try to make it relevant that Slashdot is an American page. It is through them you assert authority through nationality.

    32. Re:if they really want revenge by GNious · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the internet, where everything is limited to a single country.

    33. Re:if they really want revenge by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Sure, I wish them luck, but why does the pentagon have to rely on a loosely organised group of pimply teenagers to disrupt ISIS propaganda?

      Who said anyone is 'relying' on them? They're acting on their own motivation. In some ways they can be more disruptive because they're not constrained by the law in any way.

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    34. Re:if they really want revenge by phayes · · Score: 1

      Really? Anonymous' "high level operatives" know how to expose people who are trying to hide & not just taking easy shots at exposed targets like governments & corporations? Then where are all the pedophiles that Anonymous was supposedly busy exposing?

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    35. Re:if they really want revenge by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Those would require risk taking and physical labor. I don't see that happening. ;-)

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    36. Re:if they really want revenge by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I, for one, would prefer it if the US was not the World Police. I seem to recall that recent history also includes France also declaring that they did not want the US to be the World Police. In fact, I'm not sure the US should be involved in this at all. We should, on the other hand, sell those Europeans technology and weapons.

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    37. Re:if they really want revenge by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      We should, on the other hand, sell those Europeans technology and weapons.

      But France is more than capable of blowing the land occupied by ISIS to smithereens , no? It is the intelligence services which US and other parts of the world might have to help out with - which might be used to protect innocent civilians. But there are bound to be lapses, and providing the services will be a thankless job.

        If there are some bright bulbs left in Anonymous, there is no harm in them lending some support here because of this reason.

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    38. Re:if they really want revenge by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      they would sign up for the military and go bust some rear

      You're assuming that the military is actually busting some rear.

      I am very much underwhelmed with the progress being made by our military.

      As an example, I would like to know why it's only now that the US attacks the oil trucks smuggling oil out of IS held territory when we have known for at least a year that this is how they generate the majority of their revenue.
      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11...

      Article from Jan 4 discussing the funding of IS:
      http://www.economist.com/blogs...

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    39. Re:if they really want revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't really know how much capacity France has beyond nukes and we both know they're not going to use those. I'm not sure what anonymous will do but it does look like it may be shaping up to be interesting. I don't have a good suggestion for this - it's simply too damned complicated for me to be able to opine. Well, no, I could share and have an opinion but I don't think I'm qualified to do so. ;-)

      KGIII - I babbled too much in this one thread. So, I hit the silly 50 post count threshold.

    40. Re:if they really want revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then where are all the pedophiles that Anonymous was supposedly busy exposing?

      Posting on 4chan,mostly /a/ and /tv/ :)

    41. Re:if they really want revenge by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Anonymous has the ability to sniff out and actually PREVENT further attacks.

      I really doubt that. The security services, particularly GCHQ and the NSA, have been doing vast amounts of bulk data collection, hacking and infiltration and still keeps missing these attacks. Considering that those two organizations have little regard for the law it seems unlikely that Anonymous will be able to do any better than they can.

      We might see a few doxed individuals and claims of disrupted plots, but I would be surprised if they weren't just screwing up some source of information that MI5/CIA had decided not to drone to death because they were too useful.

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    42. Re:if they really want revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny how someone put out a very valid idea of who they might join and you skirted over it like you always do when you're proven to be too stupid to be taken seriously.
       
      I really with you'd dry up and blow away.

    43. Re:if they really want revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous has the ability to sniff out and actually PREVENT further attacks.

      I bet they haven't, because their Arabic sucks. At least they'd need to be able to do some plausible social engineering.

    44. Re:if they really want revenge by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Yeah sure, a group of hackers who regularly commit felonies are going to be all high-profile and visible to everyone and anyone while they're committing their felonious cybercrimes. I think you've seen too many movies and actually believe that's the way things are in the real world. Also you have too many 2's in your user number, do something about that, k?

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    45. Re:if they really want revenge by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Think of it more as a group bent on establishing a theocratic dictatorship launched an attack on the free world.

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    46. Re:if they really want revenge by phayes · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know this is /. where many 7 number identifiers cannot be bothered to RTFA, but not even the comments?!?

      Reread my comments in the thread and you'd discover that I was arguing that anonymous is unable to do much of anything against the IS just as they have failed to much of anything against pedophiles.

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    47. Re:if they really want revenge by kheldan · · Score: 1

      I don't think you're taking my meaning at all: Just because they're not taking credit for pedophiles being caught, doesn't mean it's not happening. How would you know? Do you have a sooper seekrit information source inside local law enforcement and the FBI? I think not. You don't know what they're doing or not doing.

      And by the way: just because I lost the password and email to my five-digit account here, doesn't mean I never had one.

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    48. Re:if they really want revenge by plover · · Score: 1

      Ignoring the restrictions is useful, but it provides the enemy with justification. "You say you live by this rule, but you ignore it. Therefore, we're every bit as good as you are, or you're every bit as bad as us."

      Thus, black ops and deniability. Who knows; maybe Anonymous is so full of FBI moles that this is actually a government backed attack?

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    49. Re:if they really want revenge by phayes · · Score: 1

      Your thesis that Anonymous has actually done good and performed "good" by outing pedophiles (but sekretly, because you know anonymous) is patently ridiculous. The justification for their supposedly targeting pedophiles was to attempt to prove wrong everyone who calls them a bunch of anarchists with few redeeming characteristics. Any achievements would have been trumpeted. The silence is proof that they have been incapable of doing so with pedophiles & shows that their announcement of "revenge" for attacking innocents will be a similarly empty claim.

      As for your "forgetting", when lying you need to establish some credibility to be believed.

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    50. Re:if they really want revenge by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      I agree with you 100 percent there

      so either pull or or commit no more of this in the middle junk

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    51. Re:if they really want revenge by kheldan · · Score: 1

      1. Read this article. It does a better job of making my point than I ever could.
      2. I've read some of your other comments; you're just one more jackass on the Internet that argues for the sake of arguing. As such you can fuck off; I have no time for someone like you. Go get your sense of being relevant from someone else; I am done with you.

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    52. Re:if they really want revenge by phayes · · Score: 0

      awww, poor little lying twit got his feelings hurt when I dared expose that his anonymous idols are all air. Poor poor you. Grow a pair and learn to reason for yourself junior.

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    53. Re:if they really want revenge by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      My point was: we did not call them "Islamic State" but they call themselves that.
      Also if you google around, you find their manifest about their state. They have "ministries" or "secretaries" for stuff like military, education, health etc. like any other ordinary state.
      That they are in the middle ages with modern weapons and consider beheading and rape - forced marriage - a normality is ofc disgusting.

      Regarding "legitimate". Ofc they are legitimated. The are legitimated by "the right of conquest". Like any other nation that e.g. after WWII took parts of Germany (Poland, Russia etc.).

      That does not mean that e.g. the UN calls them not illegitimated ... for Palestine it also took 40 years to be recognized.

      In german we have a saying/phrase that loosely translates into "the Force of Facts".

      They conquered the area (no one in the west cared). Perhaps you want to look on a map? Half of Syria belongs to ISIS, nearly a third of Iraq, too.

      They control it. They rule it.

      Hence: it is a state. Or a Kingdom, or a caliphate - which are the same, they are states. Or are the UK, Belgium, Netherlands, Norway ... and plenty of other european "states" not states?

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    54. Re:if they really want revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      someone points to a source that proves his point

      shitty faggot troll resorts to what all defeated, shitty trolls resort to: name calling and baseless insults

      hey faggot, how does it feel to get pw0ned that hard?
      Oh look I found a picture of you
      LOL what a loser you are, got back to 4chan/b/ where you belong.

    55. Re:if they really want revenge by DogPhilosopher · · Score: 0

      A few westerners, including Americans, have joined the YPG (Kurds). They recruit online:
      https://www.facebook.com/TheLi...

      The US government has stated that it is legal to join, although they discourage it. But let's face it, nobody here on /. would ever get through the physical :D

      They're looking for "specialists like architects, doctors, engineers, technology specialists, media and translators" as well though:
      http://thelionsofrojava.com/

    56. Re:if they really want revenge by DogPhilosopher · · Score: 0

      Would the US public support a ground war in Syria?

      Not a rethorical question, I'm wondering what the sentiment is over there (I'm in Europe).

    57. Re:if they really want revenge by theArtificial · · Score: 1

      I see you've been browsing Youtube again...

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    58. Re:if they really want revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That ain't me you septic bag of pus, but it does bear a striking ressemblance to your whore mother.

  5. The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Rei · · Score: 1

    implies that they had information about Daesh targets beforehand, but chose for some reason or another not to hit them before now. Because they sure hit them fast - the last I checked they hit over 30 targets in Raqqah today - they're not just suddenly discovering new things

    Now why could that be - why would they have targets they weren't hitting? The only logical reason is that the combination of the value of the targets and their confidence in what they're hitting was lower than the risk of hitting innocent bystanders and fanning the flames of war. But now they've clearly made a different decision.

    That doesn't mean that their course of action is inherently wrong. But it should be stated upfront that we're taking on more civilian risk/consequences in order to scale up the attack against them. I mean, France if they wanted could take the Russian route and drop (mostly unguided) munitions on anything that moves in a suspect area, or even the Assad route and pound their cities to rubble with barrels full of mining explosives. But what's the balance point of attack vs. protecting civilians - how much do you want to shift it in response to the Paris attacks?

    And really, we all know this isn't going to be won from the air. So the real question is, how much weapons do you want to offload, to whom, how much do you actually trust them, what seeds for future conflict are you sowing... or conversely, dare you actually send in your own ground troops to do it yourself, into a conflict where half a dozen nuclear powers on different sides are uneasily circling each other?

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    1. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Harlequin80 · · Score: 2

      There are other considerations as well. You can only fly so many sorties per day at a sustainable level over a longer term so all targets need to be prioritised against each other. RIght now the French authorities are going to be absolutely pissed so they are likely operating at the short term sprint level. Without getting additional equipment to the area and additional people to the area the step up in attacks will likely be unsustainable.

      According to http://www.theguardian.com/wor... they have 12 strike aircraft currently in the area. Depending on the mission time they MIGHT be able to run 3 sorties per day with pilot swapping but the aircraft will need to be grounded for maintenance after a couple of days of that level of use.

    2. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by tsotha · · Score: 1

      They can certainly add more resources to the mix, though. Twelve aircraft is just showing the flag compared to what a first world country like France is capable of.

    3. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What really needs done is to get all the nuclear powers who are all carefully trying to tango with each other to a table, go into Daesh-held territory, take out the garbage with coalition forces (either as a group, or pushing towards the center), then split the territory up, just like Germany was carved out post WWII.

      The goal is not just to clean out Daesh, but break the back of their ideology, making it obvious that the caliphate is a failed concept, and not worth committing any towards. If there is nothing held by Daesh, with the Powers That Be showing that the only thing left would either be a crater or a latrine, that idealogy will just evaporate, similar to the ideal of anarchy did in the '80s and '90s.

      A lot of the territory was never a "natural" country, and kludged together due to WWII, and really needs to be multiple nations to reflect the ethnicity content, as the current layout lumps together groups who are not going to get along. For example, the Kurds and Yazidies are considered "fallen away Muslims" and are considered open season by both Sunni and Shiite, and will constantly be targeted for torture and killing, so will definitely need their own nation/state.

      Until this is done, with the surgical precision similar to how Desert Shield/Desert Storm was handled, Daesh will only get bolder, and will continue to strike everyone.

    4. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And really, we all know this isn't going to be won from the air.

      I'm no proponent of "Victory through Air-Power," but as long as we have Air Supremacy, we might as well make proper use of it. (Why go all the trouble to get it if we're not going to use it?) Cut their supply lines, bomb any supply dumps we can locate and attack any truck convoys we find. That will isolate their front-line troups, making it easier for our ground forces to smash them and win the war. Make no mistake: it's the infantry and armor who are going to finish this in the long run, but the Air Force can make their job much easier if they do their part properly.

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    5. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Considering that the Charles de Gaul is currently on route to or is pounding IS targets in Iraq, and is capable of upwards of 30 sorties a day with their current pilot status, they could easily shift assets.

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    6. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by x0ra · · Score: 1

      There is only so much which can be operated so far from mainland bases.

    7. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      why would they have targets they weren't hitting?

      Compiling an intelligence base before flinging ordnance around willy-nilly and revealing what they know about?

    8. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      It's a lot more of a commitment then show the flag. And redeploying advanced fighters doesn't happen over night. When you consider that the entire French airforce has about 156 suitable strike aircraft in its fleet you see deploying 12 or nearly 10% is a big commitment. They have also announced prior to the latest attack that they were deploying their aircraft carrier to the region.

    9. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      It's not there yet. Once the CdG is there then yes they will be able to increase sorties. The CdG carries 21 strike air craft but the biggest difference is the mission time is halved compared to the bases in the UAE.

    10. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      A first world country like France? What, like the UK, which spends more on defence per year than France and would struggle to even put 12 ground attack aircraft operational over Syria?

      Maybe France has spent more wisely than my own government though. Maybe.

    11. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      It's not there yet.

      Mid air refuelling. It's already close enough.

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    12. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      No the US has already tried "occupying" two islamic countries and was forced to withdraw in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Why do you think it would work this time?

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    13. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Makes for really long mission times, reduces payload and puts way more strain on the planes and the pilots. I doubt that it is worth it at this time as they are not supporting ground troops or intercepting things that will cause them damage.

    14. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      I agree but if you have sufficient motivation, you can start running missions this way.

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    15. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Rei · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It sounds ridiculous on the face of it because everyone is nominally adimantly opposed to it, but that is an actual possibility here. If any coalition ground troops end up getting deployed in response to these (or future) attacks, they'd take over eastern Syria, where Daesh has its "caliphate"...but stop advancing west because A) they have no interest in taking land from the FSA and probably don't want to turn the Army of Conquest into a hostile force, B) Russia is heavily bombing there, and C) Russia would only let go of Latakia through their cold dead hands - it has their only Mediterranean naval base, their largest airbase in the region, one of their most important listening posts, etc. So you have the "clearly Russian" zone, the "clearly Coalition" zone, and then this in-between squabble area (including Damascus).

      Of course, this is all assuming that Russia can actually defend Latakia against the rebels. I mean, normally I'd assume that, but they've done a pretty crappy job of it so far. But I bet they could put a lot more assets there if they needed to (though it might take weakening their forces on Donbas). It's easy for them to deploy air assets to Syria because they're not needed in Donbas, but if they take too much ground forces from Donbas and Crimea, Ukraine might be tempted to reescalate. The other issue is Iran, Iran could also commit itself a lot more to Syria if they need to... the current few thousand Iranian troops (plus Hezbollah) is one thing, but it's a small fraction of their total military manpower. Plus, a lot of the Syrian/Russian/Iranian/Hezbollah assets are currently directed on the Aleppo offensive, which actually has gone pretty well for them... so that could be redirected to Latakia if need be. And to Hama too, the way things are going on that front.

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    16. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Oh definitely. But all the reports indicate 10 French aircraft were involved. Given they have 12 stationed in the UAE and those were the planes that were active in that theatre already it would be highly unlikely for it to be any CdG craft.

    17. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please pay attention:
      'all the nuclear powers who are all carefully trying to tango with each other' means UN not US.

    18. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Rei · · Score: 2

      More specifically, we have Russia (nuclear) on the Assad side, along with Iran (nearly nuclear), while on the other side, we have the coalition (including nuclear powers US, UK and France), and then there are third parties, including Israel (who's started bombing Hezbollah weapons shipments within Syria - including bombing the Damascus airport the other day) and major rebel weapons supplier Saudi Arabia (not nuclear, but believed to have an agreement with Pakistan to be able to rapidly acquire nuclear weapons in exchange for having funded over half of their program). Everyone has the capability to reach all of their potential foes except Iran->US.

      It's a nightmare scenario just waiting for an accident :P

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    19. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Well you'd be stupid to say where craft are launching sorties from unless it's in your and the host countries best interest. Otherwise you're painting a target on their back.

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    20. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No the US has already tried "occupying" two islamic countries and was forced to withdraw in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Why do you think it would work this time?

      By "occupying" you mean making half-assed, halfhearted efforts which were doomed from the get go because the nations in question were not utterly destroyed which, like it or not, happens to be a prerequisite for nation building as part of the process of defeating the nation prior to rebuilding. Sure some ass was kicked, some religious whack jobs were made to run for the hills, an army was crushed in short order, but in neither case was a sense of crushing defeat inflicted upon the civilian populations of the nations in question. Which, again, like it or not, is another prerequisite for nation building. If they don't know they are beaten then properly subjugating them is simply not possible which makes occupation less effective by far.

      This is what comes of laboring under the delusion of "liberating" the civilian population of enemy nations. Enemy nations are not meant to be "liberated". They are meant to be conquered. That did not happen.

    21. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      It's easy for them to deploy air assets to Syria because they're not needed in Donbas, but if they take too much ground forces from Donbas and Crimea, Ukraine might be tempted to reescalate.

      Even the highest estimates were that <1% of the Russian armed forces were in Ukraine (7,000 of 771,000), if it's just to maintain the image of a fighting force I don't think they have any problems finding the manpower. Besides, an assault by Ukranian forces would give Russia an excuse to declare that Kiev is now the aggressor and officially roll in the tanks to protect the Russian minority. Even if Putin gets caught a bit off guard, it seems extremely unlikely he would lose face without action and the bigger the hurt to his public image, the more he might want to re-escalate. Sounds like very high stakes gambling.

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    22. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      A *MUCH* better idea than bombing civilian targets, who might well not be opposed to you if they had a choice.

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    23. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Why? It's not like ISIS has any capability to shoot down the fighters and the planes are well known to be stationed in the UAE. They aren't going to run into opposition on the way to target. We're not talking a fight between equals here.

      The French have the capability to bomb any target in the region at will and there is nothing ISIS can do to stop them. All ISIS can hope for is to obscure or harden their assets enough to with stand the bombs. Or to have so many low value assets that a bomb costs more than what it destroys.

    24. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      There was a lot of area bombing done during WW II, mostly at night, because daylight bombing was too dangerous and the bomb sights used at night weren't accurate enough. Now, of course, we can and have hit specific buildings in a city with almost no collateral damage from misses. Taking out major headquarters buildings is a good idea (Chop off the head and the body dies.) once they're identified, but even if that's not possible, isolating the battlefield is a better use of air power than simple ground support although the effects aren't as obvious in the short run.

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    25. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Well that only works as long as they don't get a hold of a AA system, or manage to get their hands on some manpads or stingers/knockoffs from all that oil they're selling.

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    26. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by tsotha · · Score: 1

      The UK has around 200 aircraft capable of conducting air strikes. I would be very surprised if it were to "struggle" to put 12 of them over Syria, particularly since there are friendly airbases nearby.

    27. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by tsotha · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure anybody is really buddies with ISIS. The Obama administration would like to see Assad gone, but they'd like to see IS gone even more. We could work with the Iranians and the Russians on that.

      Personally I don't see any reason for the US to be hastening Assad's departure. Sure, he's a bastard, but he's no worse than anyone who would conceivably replace him. Much better, in most cases. Were I elected president I'd make a stamp that says "NONE OF OUR BUSINESS" and use it for reports on places like Syria.

    28. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Sure. The MOD will tell you the Typhoon is multirole and I guess they could do the Lightning II testing over Syria.

      Reality is that the Tornado remains the only viable ground attack aircraft capable of dropping more than Paveway bombs. Shit even the drones carry a more flexible anti ground payload than the Typhoon.

      Maybe since technically the Hawk has ground attack capabilities you're suggesting we deploy the Red Arrows?

    29. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by dave420 · · Score: 2

      Iran are not "nearly nuclear". They have shown no interest in nuclear weapons with their program. The Ayatollah has issued a fatwa against nuclear weapons in their hands. Mossad don't believe them to be trying to make nuclear weapons, and the CIA and SIS ('MI6') agree.

    30. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "almost no collateral damage from misses"

      Based on everything I've read, this is a tragically popular misconception which those with air power like to propagate. Air strikes cause lots of death, injury, and destruction to innocent people (and thus do not endear the country using the air power to the local people).

      If my area were overrun by violent thugs, I would not really appreciate external "help" in the form of bombs destroying the city and killing people randomly.

    31. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dave420 you nuked yourself lol http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    32. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I'd not be too surprised if France pulled a US-9/11-style response. I expect boots on the ground in short order. I might be wrong but I'd not be surprised. In fact, I expect it enough to be willing to wager on it. Hmm... Say a limit of 6 months? Yeah, I'd bet that they have boots on the ground (maybe just intelligence) in 6 months or less.

      To be honest, I'm really not sure who to root for? I mean, I can't root for IS. I can't really root for Assad either. The situation is so complicated that, unlike some others, I simply am forced to admit that I don't know what is best. Maybe it would be acceptable to let Russia stomp in, do their dirty work, and then let them try to tame the populace? Sure, it's going to go down Russia-style but what other choices are we left with, realistically?

      I don't really know. I am not qualified to give an opinion. I do know that there doesn't appear to be a perfect solution. I'm not even sure that there's a good solution? It's disheartening that we're still doing this sort of stuff in 2015. It would be nice if the humans were a bit more intelligent and compassionate. However, that is entirely unrealistic as we have, at no point in our history, demonstrated a capacity to be peaceful, reasoned, and compassionate as a whole.

      We probably climbed down out of the trees for the express reason of climbing someone else's tree to bonk them on the head with a stick.

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    33. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Rei · · Score: 1

      The fact that he's responsible for the lion's share of the deaths in this conflict, not due to his bombardment of densely populated areas with chemical weapons, but due to a non-stop campaign of dumping barrels of mining explosives onto cities (go to images.google.com and search for "Homs" to see what this results in), as well as being among the most brutal torturers operating a country on Earth today, with over 10k photo-documented cases of execution-by-torture in his intelligence centers since the conflict began?

      Neither Assad nor Daesh should be running states. And there's the practical matter as well: Assad is only propped up by external forces. There is a local population who supports him, but it's a very small fraction of the total. Today most of the ground troops making up Assad's forces are Hezbollah (Lebanese), Iranian, and lesser from other countries like Iraq and Afghanistan. He runs a foreign force occupying his own country.

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    34. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      A manpad or stinger / variation of is only effective when a jet is operating at low altitude. These are known to be in the hands of various forces in the middle east and I would assume in the hands of an ISIS group. They are completely ineffective against strike aircraft above 20,000ft which is where these craft are going to be operating.

      Until the enemy have something like an S-125 or a BUC system there is realistic missile risk. Also lessons were learned after a NATO jet was downed in Serbia in the 90s and entry and exit points are moved around to ensure no traps can be setup. So again it doesn't matter that the enemy knows that the jets take off out of the UAE, you don't know how far they have diverted before approaching the target.

    35. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of those assets you mention are hidden behind or among civilians. They will use a bus full of innocent people as a way to transport arms. They will set up a supply depot in a school or hospital. Why? They know that we'll shame and be outraged at those who attack those civilian targets.

    36. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by jbwolfe · · Score: 1
      Not disagreeing with you entirely, but to expound on the concept of

      Victory through Air-Power.

      In the context of war in general, "air power" would indeed only be a part of what's necessary to achieving any victory- as you pointed out. But specific to how to deal with ISIS, "air power" is even less important, as this is a battle of ideology more than one of territory or geography. We cannot bomb the hate from their souls. Moreover, the souls are scattered across the globe anyway.

      it's the infantry and armor who are going to finish this in the long run

      I think that was tried and in fact shaped the issue as it stands now. Frankly, in hindsight it seems a complete failure to have destabilized the region allowing the deep seated sectarian conflicts the fuel and air to explode.

      I personally would see another attempt to invade the region as folly. I think Arab nations should solve this problem: bringing down ISIS in the short term and eliminating radicalism at home in the long term. But they lack the will.

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    37. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      They're not going to be able to transport enough munitions cross-country in civilian vehicles or store enough inside a school or hospital to keep an army in the field. What you're talking about is adequate for a small force of terrorists, but that's not exactly what we're dealing with here.

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    38. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by swb · · Score: 1

      The only logical reason is that the combination of the value of the targets and their confidence in what they're hitting was lower than the risk of hitting innocent bystanders and fanning the flames of war. But now they've clearly made a different decision.

      Fuck this innocent bystander idea. Anybody in Raqqah now is either ISIS or a collaborator.

      And fuck this fanning the flames of war. I don't want them pissed off, I want them *terrified* of what Western military power is capable of.

      I want B-52 strikes carpet bombing Raqqah. I want anyone who survives or manages to escape still waking up in a cold sweat 10 years from now every time they hear a low rumble for fear that the B52s are back.

    39. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by plover · · Score: 1

      I can think of two plausible but simplistic explanations, there are no doubt more.

      First, they may have been waiting for better timing. Once you drop a bomb on a building, the scum-lickers learn they've been exposed and will not return. So they want to bomb the building when it contains one or more high value targets. Knowing when a high value target is inside requires you to have an intel source observing the building (or the target) at the same time the target is in the building and you have assets in position to level it. That doesn't happen very often. But due to the attack they have to respond quickly, so they are sending a different message by killing a bunch of low value targets in a lot of locations.

      The other simplistic explanation is intel gathering. Getting a spy into their organization is not easy. If you bomb a building, you are revealing to the enemy that at least one of the people who knows about the building is a spy; or that you have the capability of intercepting some kind of traffic. To preserve the secrecy of the ULTRA program that decrypted German Enigma traffic, Britain developed an elaborate process for destroying U-boats in WWII. They couldn't just fly to the location of the submarine and drop depth charges as that risked revealing the Allies ability to decrypt communications; instead, they scheduled weather-reporting planes to fly more missions in certain sectors; these weather planes would then "get lucky" and report the U-boat's position to the destroyers. Similarly, France may not want to reveal that they're triangulating cell traffic, or tapping certain phone lines, or monitoring PlayStation Call-Of-Duty chat rooms.

      Either way, France is trading potential future intel gathering capabilities to send a message today that says "you are not invincible, you are not right, you are not just, you are only vermin to be exterminated." They can rebuild their intel network later.

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    40. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realise, APK, that your unbearable compulsion to link to yourself just makes it obvious that it's you posting in agreement with yourself, right?

      Just checking...

    41. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Another reason would be that France has changed bombing strategy to other targets. For example, if France is planning to invade, they'd be concentrating on bombing to make the invasion easier. The increased tempo could be because they've just put a lot of new targets on the list. Since I don't know what France has been bombing, or what they're bombing now, I'm not jumping to conclusions.

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    42. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by tsotha · · Score: 1

      The Paveway is just the right kind of tool for the job. What else do you need?

    43. Re:The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions"... by hawk · · Score: 1

      It is generally conceded that General Dolittle's raid was quite valuable . . .

      hawk

  6. Re:Well, at least they're hard to retaliate agains by tsotha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IS will ignore Anonymous, military, cops, and intelligence services in favor of unsuspecting theatergoers and people out for an evening at a cafe. Military and cops shoot back, and Anonymous is simply impotent against an organization like IS.

  7. Uh-oh, this is not good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those ISIS guys better watch now! Anonymous will be sending a barrage of pizzas to them that they didn't even order, and probably posting some dick pics on the their websites!

    1. Re:Uh-oh, this is not good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Those will be bacon pizzas.

    2. Re: Uh-oh, this is not good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are other pics they would find more offensive. Drawings, specifically...

    3. Re:Uh-oh, this is not good. by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      No no, you got it all wrong (again!)
      They will put bacon and ham on it!

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    4. Re:Uh-oh, this is not good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Kinky. What did they put on the pizza?

    5. Re:Uh-oh, this is not good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haha nice one

    6. Re:Uh-oh, this is not good. by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Pepperoni is mostly pork, I have no idea why people have missed that so far.

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    7. Re:Uh-oh, this is not good. by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Gefilte fish pizza with matzo bread crust. Oh yaaaa. Hello, Dominos? Do you deliver to Syria? From Jordan? Great!

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    8. Re:Uh-oh, this is not good. by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      Those ISIS guys better watch now! Anonymous will be sending a barrage of pizzas to them that they didn't even order, and probably posting some dick pics on the their websites!

      Have you yourself done anything at all against IS (or their other faces Boko Harem and Al Qaeda) other than talk?

      If they can do anything at all that hurts IS, BH or AQ (ie anti-propaganda) they'll have done SOMETHING.

      So if you have NOT done something useful, you should probably keep your trap shut.

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    9. Re:Uh-oh, this is not good. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Someone suggested using bullets tipped in pig blood, which according to dogma would prevent anyone shot with them getting into heaven. Maybe Anonymous could look at ways of getting pig products into things IS uses, like how the Russians left poisoned bottles of vodka around as they retreated during WW2. BBQ pork pizza might be a bit obvious but those guys are quite devious.

      Someone else on Twitter suggested requiring refugees to draw Mohammed as part of the asylum process.

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    10. Re:Uh-oh, this is not good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If they can do anything [...] they'll have done SOMETHING"

      Can't argue with that logic lol. Anonymous is a collection of script-kiddies and wannabes.

    11. Re:Uh-oh, this is not good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you yourself done anything at all against IS (or their other faces Boko Harem and Al Qaeda) other than talk?

      I've reposted some dank ISIS memes on 4chan a few times. Does that count as "doing anything?" In a Senate hearing back in May about how successful ISIS is at using social media for recruitment, Senators Cory Booker, D-NJ and Ron Johnson, R-Wisc, "proposed on Thursday that the U.S. government create more viral memes, possibly with Hollywood’s help." According to Senator Booker, "there are easy tactics [memes] how to get more voice, virality to messaging that we’re not using as a government.”

      So I'm doing my part spreadin' those dank, dank memes. How 'bout you? What are YOU doing to fight ISIS, buddy?

  8. Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Two weeks ago more people were killed on the russian plane. Where did these anonymous guys were at that time?

    1. Re:Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They care about some people more than others. All humans do this, you included.

    2. Re:Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well thing about that was that the Russians did deserve it. And yes I mean the ordinary Russians, the same ones who support Putin with 80% approval ratings. When the "rebels" in Ukraine shut down the air liner, not one of them gave a fuck.

    3. Re:Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Where did these anonymous guys were at that time?

      Probably skeptical that ISIS had anything to do with it. Recall that when the plane crashed, western and Russian officials were quick to dismiss any idea of foul play. Then ISIS claimed to have shot it down, which we know didn't happen. And a day later suddenly western and Russian officials were all "99%" positive that ISIS had planted a bomb on the plane. (There's still yet to be any proof offered to that effect.) Multiple nations completely reversed course to put the blame for that crash on ISIS, it was awfully politically convenient.

      There's no doubting what happened in Paris. It's hard to compare the two scenarios.

    4. Re:Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the "rebels" in Ukraine shut down the air liner, not one of them gave a fuck.

      When France helped the 'murican invasions that helped create ISIS, how many Frenchmen gave a fuck?

      You've got the reason wrong. There's more anti-Russian propaganda than anti-French. That's why Anonymoose care more for the French. Plus shooting up people in multiple locations makes a much more interesting story than killing them in a plane crash.

    5. Re:Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Well thing about that was that the Infidels did deserve it. And yes I mean the ordinary Infidels, the same ones who support [Your Nation's Leader Here.]"

      FTFY

    6. Re: Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You speak fluent Arabic in the correct dialect and have parsed the original IS statement with sufficient accuracy to determine they indeed used the verb 'shot down' and not 'brought down' or some other form of words?

      No?

      So you're just parrotting what some news network mistranslated into a straw man.

    7. Re:Wait a minute... by tsotha · · Score: 1

      Nobody really knows why that plane went down. People are speculating bomb, and that's probably true, but it's certainly possible it went down as a result of some sort of catastrophic mechanical failure. If it was a bomb they'll know after the pieces are recovered and analyzed.

    8. Re:Wait a minute... by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Then according to you ~20% of the people on the plane were innocent. It's not as if 100% of Russians support Putin 80%. You are either absolutely terrible at understanding statistics, or a massive evil twat.

    9. Re:Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree, I feel sorry for all of the innocent lives lost both Russian and Dutch but sometimes you have to take your own medicine.

  9. Sometimes there are no innocents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone working with ISIS is not a "civilian" in the classic sense. I suppose there might be slaves who would be killed, but taking out a conventional city that ISIS wholly controls in a Dresden like firebombing is now perfectly acceptable. Women, children (who were destined to become ISIS cannon fodder or commanders anyway), all who work to support the ISIS infrastructure are fair game now, just as German cities were in the second world war.

    And really, we all know this isn't going to be won from the air. So the real question is, how much weapons do you want to offload, to whom

    Yes, totally right, only this will not be won by "offloading" anything - the U.S. tried that and spent hundreds of millions to train a handful of soldiers, who promptly joined ISIS when they were sent in.

    ISIS will be hale and hearty right until the moment countries decide to get serious and send in troops to the regions ISIS holds. Only then will they at least slow down ISIS (though it may take quite a while after that before the whole group truly dissolves).

    ISIS gives proof to the lie that if we just leave extremists alone they will leave us alone.

    1. Re:Sometimes there are no innocents by Cederic · · Score: 2

      taking out a conventional city that ISIS wholly controls in a Dresden like firebombing is now perfectly acceptable

      No, it's a war crime and can be prosecuted under international law.

    2. Re:Sometimes there are no innocents by Rei · · Score: 3, Informative

      Anyone working with ISIS is not a "civilian" in the classic sense.

      You realize that Raqqah is one of the largest cities in Syria, right? People there don't have a choice about "working with Daesh". Daesh runs the city, and every city within a great distance around them. And does all sorts of measures to prevent people from leaving.

      These are people living in a densely populated city. Their city is being bombed. This puts them at risk. Some targets are low civilian risk. Others are high civilian risk. France's sudden intensive wave of bombing means that they've shifted the dividing line on the amount of risk to civilians they're willing to take.

      Yes, totally right, only this will not be won by "offloading" anything - the U.S. tried that and spent hundreds of millions to train a handful of soldiers, who promptly joined ISIS when they were sent in.

      Where to start?

      1) There were two separate programs: the Pentagon program and the CIA program. The Pentagon program was a total failure. The CIA program was an unexpectedly huge success (perhaps too much - the FSA's rapid advances and breakinto Latakia triggered Russia and Iran's freakout and doubling down in Syria).

      2) None of the soldiers trained by the Pentagon "prompty joined Daesh". The first handful of soldiers were poorly inserted, in way too small numbers and unevenly. They never manged to form into a unit in Syria. Some of them never made it into Syria. Others made it into Syria but were captured by al-Nusra, only released after negotiators convinced al-Nusra that they were focused only on Daesh. The few that made it into Syria and weren't captured were too disorganized to form a unit.

      The Pentagon program - in stark contrast to the CIA program - was a colossal failure. But let's not spew falsehoods about it.

      Beyond all of this are other actions that have been taken that are not part of these "programs". Most recently has been the arming of the YPG and arab militias - nominally just the latter, so as not to tick off Turkey, but in practice both - to resist Daesh in northeastern Syria. This effort too has been quite success thusfar, although it's too young to really evaluate at this point, and there's some risk of future seeds of discord being sown.

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    3. Re:Sometimes there are no innocents by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      And yet, as we have seen time and time again, this is the only way to actually win a war with a fanatical enemy. Which is why we should never get involved in wars unless it's absolutely necessary for survival. The ONLY way to win a war against fanatics is to basically level their infrastructure(and yes civilians) to the point that continuing to fight is tantamount to suicide of the entire culture. The Japanese were suicidal religious fanatics that were only tamed once we destroyed enough of their country and killed enough of their citizens that they realized fighting will only result in the complete and utter annihilation of the Japanese people.

      This is why we shouldn't get involved in wars were we aren't willing to completely level the enemy, including Dubya's little "war to avenge daddy" that is the root of this problem in the first place.

    4. Re:Sometimes there are no innocents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because someone has declared something a "war crime" does not mean you should not do that thing; it just means knowing who will be angry when you do.

      In the end if we don't actually get rid of ISIS the country, many things that are "war crimes" (like land mines) will come into play and be in use before this whole conflict is over.

    5. Re:Sometimes there are no innocents by HiThere · · Score: 1

      No, it's a war crime and can be prosecuted under international law.

      Only if you lose, and probably not then.

      I wish I could believe I was being cynical.

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    6. Re:Sometimes there are no innocents by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure. Except the IS doesn't have any cities. They occupy some territory in Iraq and Syria, where they're mostly bent on executing the majority of the populace. The Nazis would have laughed pretty hard if the allied strategy in WWII was extermination bombing of Jewish neighbourhoods in Paris.

      You're absolutely right, the way to attack the islamic state is to attack it's ability to wage war. Stop converting moderate muslims into new recruits, stop littering the area with weapons and political instability, and work towards not giving any more money to oil rich middle eastern dictatorships.

    7. Re:Sometimes there are no innocents by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      Anyone working with ISIS is not a "civilian" in the classic sense.

      You realize that Raqqah is one of the largest cities in Syria, right?

      You think Dresden was a village?

      People there don't have a choice about "working with Daesh".

      You think that Dresden residents had a choice with the Nazis?

      You realise that GP made the remark about Dresden precisely because It was carpet-bombed, residents and all.

      Seriously, look up some of the WWII literature. You are hopelessly clueless about what will actually happen once countries go to war. They have, can and will bomb civilians in order to win.

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    8. Re:Sometimes there are no innocents by GNious · · Score: 1

      Danish politicians (incl a foreign policy rep) are already on record for recommending bombing women and children in ISIS/ISIL/Daesh areas.

    9. Re:Sometimes there are no innocents by KGIII · · Score: 0

      The powers that be don't want the wars to end. They have trained the Pavlovian dogs to respond. They see the defenders and squeak about emotions. (That's all a war crime is, it's about emotions.) If you're going to go to war (and this is why you shouldn't go to war) there are no rules nor should there be rules. That there are rules only leads to more conflicts. The enemy doesn't adhere to those rules.

      They can hide behind a wall of civilians. You can not. Why? You're expected to maintain the moral high-ground. You're expected to adhere to the rules of war. You are expected to be the more moral of the two. This is not a reason to go to war - this is a reason to avoid it as much as possible. However, if you're going to war then you should do what is required. You must, indeed, "Do the needful."

      The poster that you replied to is a puppet. They're played and manipulated. They'll respond (and did) with a fear based and emotional response. The powers that be don't want a time of peace. Peace gives time for introspection. Peace gives time to look at our individual rights and freedoms. Peace makes people see what powers have been usurped in their name. Peace is not good for the economy nor is it good for those seeking to maintain power and control.

      But, you know... Emotions... Fear...

      Again, this should be read as a condemnation of war and violence. They are horrific things. You don't "win" at war with obeying rules. No winning military has obeyed the rules since the days of the death of chivalry and maybe not before that.

      I learned this as a child. A boy wanted to fight me behind the school because he didn't like my race. He didn't want me to punch him in the face or anywhere below the belt. I kicked him in the nuts, gave him a black eye, bloody nose, and split his lip open. If you're going to fight then do it only if you've enough reason to be willing to actually fight without restraint. In other words, stop fighting. It's fucking stupid and you end up with a black eye, bloody nose, sore nuts, and a slit lip.

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    10. Re:Sometimes there are no innocents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boy, you have no fucking idea what a terror regime is or what it means to live under one. But I'm sure you'd be a great great hero if Sharia police was roaming the streets and could drag you away and behead you anytime.

      I know it sounds out-fashioned, but there is plenty of good information out there that you could study instead of pulling inaccurate opinion pieces out of your ass. (Note, however, that the VICE videos contain ISIS propaganda material; the reality described by eyewithnesses is much harsher.)

    11. Re:Sometimes there are no innocents by budgenator · · Score: 1

      taking out a conventional city that ISIS wholly controls in a Dresden like firebombing is now perfectly acceptable

      No, it's a war crime and can be prosecuted under international law.

      well actually

      The Conventions apply to a signatory nation even if the opposing nation is not a signatory, but only if the opposing nation "accepts and applies the provisions" of the Conventions. Geneva Conventions

      there would be little argument to support ISIS accepting and applying the provisions of the Geneva Conventions.

      An attack by bombardment by any methods or means that treats as a single military objective a number of clearly separated and distinct military objectives is considered to be an indiscriminate attack and is prohibited.
      Launching such an attack in the knowledge that it will cause excessive loss of life, injury to civilians, or damage to civilian objects is considered a grave breach. Bombarding areas containing solely military targets is permitted. Important powers such as the United States, which are not party to Protocol I, accept this principle as binding customary international law. Carpet or Area Bombing

      1. the use of the term "excessive" also gives quite a bit of wiggle room as the Protocol I doesn't prohibit any loss of civilian life or property, only excessive loss of civilian life or property.
      2. A credible argument could be made that any city that ISIS wholly controls is a single military objective
      3. The US while voluntarily adhering to Protocol I, is not a signatory to and doesn't recognise international jurisdiction in this matter.

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  10. Re:Well, at least they're hard to retaliate agains by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IS will ignore Anonymous, military, cops, and intelligence services in favor of unsuspecting theatergoers and people out for an evening at a cafe. Military and cops shoot back, and Anonymous is simply impotent against an organization like IS.

    That depends on whether Anonymous plans do useless stuff like tear down ISIS websites or something useful like hack the PCs of ISIS leaders and steal their financial records or details of their oil smuggling operation which would be most useful to the military and the cops even if it would probably embarrass Turkish president Erdoan and his AKP party pretty severely but then they have it coming.

  11. Ohs Nos! by Thunderf00t · · Score: 1

    Is Anonymous planning on SWATing Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi? Or maybe they'll start a DDOS against an ISIS controlled city.

    Seriously, what do these guys think they're gonna do? If they really wanted to have an impact, they could try outing cartel associates or something, but that might produce an actual physical (deadly) response for Anonymous members. ISIS will regard Anonymous as the complete non-threat that they are, and move on with their apocalypse-seeking killings.

    By the way, what ever became of the much ballyhooed KKK membership release? I seem to recall that turning into a whole bunch of nothing, just like this, and most other Anonymous endeavors, are destined to become.

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    1. Re:Ohs Nos! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The risk can be mitigated by cross continent commitment. US hacks ISIS, Europe hacks cartels. Physical risk drops rapidly when targets, that are hard to identify to begin with, aren't anywhere near your home turf.

      Also disrupting online activities and exposing operations is just as applicable to ISIS.

    2. Re:Ohs Nos! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything Anonymous does is Epic. It is either an Epic Fail or an Epic win. It is usually the latter.

  12. Re:Well, at least they're hard to retaliate agains by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

    Anonymous is not difficult to target. The Zetas drug cartel did it quite successfully.

  13. The best approach for Anonymous by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anonymous could do the most good by hacking into and diverting - or simply revealing, if nothing else is possible - the finances of ISIS. Is there any hackable digital money stream involved, or is at all greasy piles of cash?

    1. Re:The best approach for Anonymous by Rei · · Score: 2

      A lot of it is from oil smuggling. They even have truck-mounted "mobile refineries" - you can buy them off of Alibaba - so they're not just selling crude, but refined gasoline and diesel ready for consumption. They load straight into tanker trucks which deliver straight to gas stations, yielding an estimated $2m per day in revenue.

      You can make an awful lot of explosive vests and buy an awful lot of AK47s with a good chunk of a billion USD per year. The coalition keeps targeting them, but they just keep buying more and working to hide them better.

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    2. Re:The best approach for Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They even have truck-mounted "mobile refineries" - you can buy them off of Alibaba

      Sounds like a perfect target for a drone and while we're on the subject, why is there a single gas station left operational in ISIS territory? How can Obama say that he's serious about destroying ISIS while allowing infrastructure like refining and fuel delivery to continue? In WWII the fuel supplies of the enemy were attacked regularly and mercilessly. It's a basic tactic in any modern war.

    3. Re:The best approach for Anonymous by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Just as good an investigative target for Anonymous would be the contributions ISIS and other jihadist groups are getting from moneyed sources in the region, like all those Saudi princes. Inquiring drone pilots need to know.

    4. Re:The best approach for Anonymous by DogPhilosopher · · Score: 0

      Maybe they should go after Alibaba then.
      Seriously, I'm guessing that UPS doesn't deliver in IS territory. IS probably uses an address in Turkey and smuggles it acros the Syrian border. If Anon could get a hold of such addresses as well as credit card data, that could be quite useful.

    5. Re:The best approach for Anonymous by hawk · · Score: 1

      According to this afternoon's news, ISIS has 118 less oil trucks than they did two days ago . . .

      hawk

    6. Re:The best approach for Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just think how much of that money is actually diverted to different peoples personal stashes. And if you are trying to claim they are some righterous religious warriors in their own opinion who wouldn't steal the money you are simply funnily naive. There has to be multiple people with personal steal goals and exit plans after the goal is hit.

  14. Anonymous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I feel safer already...

  15. A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by niks42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    IS is one of the largest threats to our way of life in the west, but we are thinking too small when we think of ways to combat it. They believe they are on a mission from God, bringing about the final reckoning between good and evil - the Apocalypse. We think of them as trouble-makers that need to be sorted out as painlessly as possible, a short-term problem that can be solved with conventional weaponry, with relatively small losses. They aren't.

    How we respond to them is difficult to work out. Maybe the Anon approach of hacking and defacing their web sites - cutting off the oxygen of publicity - would be a Good Idea. It may be better than trying to pick the right targets out of the desert with smart bombs and drones. It might be better than turning the entire region into green, glowing glass.

    1. Re:A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We don't need to nuke the region to stop ISIS, just cut them off. First, if it hasn't already been done, the water and power infrastructure in all ISIS controlled cities, especially in their de-facto capital Raqqa, must be destroyed. This should be followed by the destruction of the hospitals, communications infrastructure, food, fuel and ammunition stores. When this is complete, all major highways connecting ISIS controlled towns must be rendered impassable to trucks and other vehicles with all bridges destroyed and road surface cratered. Once the ISIS controlled cities have been cut off, all convoys attempting to break the siege must be destroyed before any significant relief can be delivered. Finally, the entire region must be quarantined, with those caught smuggling having their homes destroyed, as the Israelis do with Palestinian trouble makers. In a few years, the entire region would become uninhabitable with everyone in the quarantined area either dead from disease or starvation or left scratching out a desperate living in the harshest conditions possible with neither the ability nor the will to continue fighting.

    2. Re:A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      IS is one of the largest threats to our way of life in the west, but we are thinking too small when we think of ways to combat it.

      You're right. We think too small. The answer is clear. While we talk and talk about the evil of ISIS and the refugees and the "need" to vet these people. we leave 6.5 million+ Syrians at the mercy of Assad or ISIS or Russian bombings or US bombings or French bombings. We're all being monsters to these people. The death of 129 Parisians is nothing compared to the horror that we sit and watch and act helpless to stop. We debate and discuss and debate some more. We think too small. The answer is clear.

      We don't vet the refugees. We don't let in a mere 10,000 "vetted" Syrians. We let in 6.5 million+ Syrians. We begin the largest known evacuation possible. We put the Army and the Navy to the best use we can, to protect and transport civilians. We deprive ISIS and Assad of the very thing they want, fodder for their abuse and subjects of their subjugation. And when there's invariable terrorists in the mix and they come here? We rejoice. Because here the abuse will not be tolerated. Here the death numbers in the hundreds, not in the tens of thousands. Here we do more to end the terrorism of the many and give ISIS and Assad an empty hellhole to squat in over the few who would actual want such a thing. It's a Pyrrhic victory for them. It is freedom and justice for the people.

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    3. Re:A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right. We think too small. The answer is clear. While we talk and talk about the evil of ISIS and the refugees and the "need" to vet these people. we leave 6.5 million+ Syrians at the mercy of Assad or ISIS or Russian bombings or US bombings or French bombings. We're all being monsters to these people. The death of 129 Parisians is nothing compared to the horror that we sit and watch and act helpless to stop. We debate and discuss and debate some more. We think too small. The answer is clear.

      We don't vet the refugees. We don't let in a mere 10,000 "vetted" Syrians. We let in 6.5 million+ Syrians. We begin the largest known evacuation possible. We put the Army and the Navy to the best use we can, to protect and transport civilians. We deprive ISIS and Assad of the very thing they want, fodder for their abuse and subjects of their subjugation. And when there's invariable terrorists in the mix and they come here? We rejoice. Because here the abuse will not be tolerated. Here the death numbers in the hundreds, not in the tens of thousands. Here we do more to end the terrorism of the many and give ISIS and Assad an empty hellhole to squat in over the few who would actual want such a thing. It's a Pyrrhic victory for them. It is freedom and justice for the people.

      You're living in a fantasy world if you actually believe any of that. What you suggest is completely stupid, never mind the fact that it's impossible. Your lack of understanding is just stunning really. In fact, it's a wonder that people as naïve as you manage to survive.

    4. Re:A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We let in 6.5 million+ Syrians. We begin the largest known evacuation possible. We put the Army and the Navy to the best use we can, to protect and transport civilians.

      I can't just imagine this. We're depopulating Syria to steal the oil. We're taking over the holy land on behalf of Jews. We're forcing our western culture on hapless Syrians. Hell, as some point they'll call it slavery. Thousands and thousands of hours of MSM hand wringing over the conditions inside immense tent cities and indignant libtards demanding we bankrupt ourselves to "fix" it.

      No thanks.

    5. Re:A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 1

      We're depopulating Syria to steal the oil.

      Better then to slaughter tens of thousands to steal the oil. Seems like either way, we steal the oil.

      We're taking over the holy land on behalf of Jews.

      Hey, if Jews want to go and live in an Islam Caliphate, more power to them.

      We're forcing our western culture on hapless Syrians.

      Yep, nothing more forced than granting voluntary relocation outside of a warzone which might, you know, result in them being exposed to other cultures.

      Hell, as some point they'll call it slavery.

      They'll call it slavery and the people will live and work freely. Or we continue the air strikes and leave ISIS to behead and every day they live in fear.

      Thousands and thousands of hours of MSM hand wringing over the conditions inside immense tent cities ...

      Because God knows we couldn't build houses. Let's do the math. 6.5 million refugees times $30,000/home* (in many rural areas of the US) == $195 billion. Hey, that's only ~2 years worth of Iraq wars. And we give a lot of people homes. Meanwhile, MSM will hand wring over everything. They'll do 129 separate stories, one on each victim, just to get more ad revenue. So it goes.

      ... and indignant libtards demanding we bankrupt ourselves to "fix" it.

      Compared to what? Air strikes? Bombings? We've already spent much more in war to "fix" it and done nothing of the sort. How about we do something constructive instead of destructive. And for once in history, it might be actually be cheaper.

      *PS - Feel free to play around with the numbers (obviously, a lot of families make the numbers more plausible, as you're not really giving each refugee a home). Consider the solution involves many countries taking in refugees, not merely one nation. But even if it were only one, say France, it's doable. Sure it could turn into a clusterfuck with tent cities. But that speaks of a government unwilling to commit to a plan or even having a plan at all. That's why Katrina was such a clusterfuck. It wasn't the Hurricane. Yet government can in competence build out massively. See the Marshall Plan . See China and their city building.

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    6. Re:A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rural areas of the US

      So, no where near you, correct? Just some unlucky rural trash you don't mind overrunning with Syrians.

      government unwilling to commit to a plan

      That's a euphemism for "unwilling to borrow a few trillion to implement my morality."

      You try to carpet the land with Syrian trailer parks and the UN will call it a war crime, the Syrians would believe that and we'd have a civil war on our hands.

      live and work freely

      "Work"........ we'll just employ them in our factories. Oh, wait. We don't have those anymore. We evacuated our industrial base to Asia because you think the whole continent is supposed to be a national park.

      And we pay for the oil.

    7. Re:A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, let's go with the glass option.

    8. Re:A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet government can in competence build out massively. See the Marshall Plan . See China and their city building.

      The Marshall Plan and China didn't/don't have to fight the EPA/NLRB/OSHA headwind you doubtless insist upon at all times. Amazing what can happen without that.

      Oh, and lest we forget; you try allocating the hundreds of billions it would take to pay for this and our umm..... "urban core" .....would burn in outrage that it was going to Syrians. The whole thing would perish as a "RAYSIST" scheme to displace existing minorities.

    9. Re:A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You fight them with mockery, retribution against their surviving family, and pig's blood.

    10. Re:A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny enough, one of the first things they'd have to defend from would be an inbound convoy of "food" and "medical supplies" from European countries. A bunch of people would riot and protest because the defenders destroyed the convoy. While doing so they'd forget that the convoys all had armaments hidden in their body panels, were smuggling intelligence about the defenders, and the very basic fact that the aid would go to the combatants before going to the civilians.

      The convoy would probably be driven by, and operated by, several French citizens as well as containing a token American and three gay guys from Canada. It'll be strafed and bombed and the protests will be massive. Somehow, it will be America's fault.

    11. Re:A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hint: This is why they never let you be in charge of anything.

    12. Re:A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with your little strategy is that, while perhaps sound form a military point of view, ISIS's human rights violations would appear harmless in comparison to what you suggest ... and ISIS has committed some of the most atrocious human rights violations of any terrorist groups in a long time.

    13. Re:A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it's not. ISIS was deliberately funded into existence by the West for a specific purpose. And when the world eventually gets off of fossil fuels, everything of military consequence in the region will evaporate.

      IS is one of the largest threats to our way of life in the west.

    14. Re:A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IS is afterall an organization using social media as a core strategy.

      Hacking them is appropriate. Follow the money and the social.

    15. Re:A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't bomb them, because they hide among civilians.

      You have to fight them the same way they fight us - infiltrate and shoot them in the back.

    16. Re:A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, I don't want them in my country.

      Let the bombs fall and let God sort it out. After all, they all want to go to heaven anyways, we're just ensuring them safe and quick passage to the promised land.

      Note however, it's just a promise.

    17. Re:A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by david_thornley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      IS is one of the largest threats to our way of life in the west,

      No. They have no military capability in the West, and can only sponsor terrorism operations. Terrorism doesn't threaten our way of life, although overreactions to terrorism can.

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    18. Re:A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So, no where near you, correct? Just some unlucky rural trash you don't mind overrunning with Syrians.

      No, jackass. I live in rural American. This is precisely the area where there's plenty of space, cheap land, a wide space to disperse many people without overloading any one community, etc. But, yea, whatever.

      That's a euphemism for "unwilling to borrow a few trillion to implement my morality."

      "My morality". Yea, Jesus' fucking morality. To give the shirt off our back to your fellow man. Either you're not Christian or not a humanitarian. Either way, fuck you.

      You try to carpet the land with Syrian trailer parks and the UN will call it a war crime,

      Bullshit. $30,000/refugee == ~$50,000 - ~$60,000 /family, easy. That's more than enough to build a home in rural America. This isn't trailer parks. More to the point, trailer parks aren't a war crime and the UN wouldn't call them that. That's just absurd. But, then, I presume you're talking that way because you view people who live in trailer parks as "rural trash".

      the Syrians would believe that and we'd have a civil war on our hands.

      Wow, that's awesome. Like how we've had an Irish civil war, a black civil war, a German civil war. Oh, right, no. Fucking moron.

      "Work"........ we'll just employ them in our factories. Oh, wait. We don't have those anymore. We evacuated our industrial base to Asia ...

      You obviously know nothing about rural America. There are plenty of factories. In fact, factories are constantly expanding. The whole bullshit about exporting our industrial base to Asia? That was and is Asia expanding its own consumer market; funny how other people in other nations might want all the luxuries they see in movies and TV and the best way to supply them is heavily in their own manufacturing. You should do some actual research on something called Comparative advantage, in any case. The long and short of it is, specialization just means we change what we make according to what country is best at what (often due to natural resources). So, we still produce tons of stuff and trade it with China, Japan, etc.

      because you think the whole continent is supposed to be a national park.

      No. But I sure as fuck don't want to drink soot filled water or breathe in toxic air or generally have everywhere I look be either a trash dump or a fire just waiting to happen. Crazy shit, eh? But, then, to not to live in some sort of industrial by-product shithole free of regulation is to not want to live in China or the past before the EPA. Which isn't to say the EPA doesn't often go overboard on stupid little shit, but then that's in the same scope as...oh...treating every people who wants to come to the US as some sort of terrorist welfare leech because there might be one or two. Just keep on twisting everything towards your world view. Don't accept what actually is and deal with it sanely. Overreact like you speak of our enemies doing when they're just being rational.

      And we pay for the oil.

      And your point is...? Or are you making some sardonic comment about military lives for oil?

    19. Re:A kind of "Nous sommes des Inconnus" .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you want to drop a bomb on yourself, you're just a pathetic shit who has chosen to place yourself above another person for absolutely no reason. The people of Syria are no different than you, but then you obviously don't care. Well, you lucked out in the life lottery. You were born in comfortable circumstance free of war. If all you can see in that is a desire to shun others who wish similar things and to hoard what advantage you have, then there's really little reason to consider your opinion of value. You're selfish and greedy and disgusting. You represent some of the worst of what humanity can offer.

  16. Dear Anonymous... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One thing you can do is screw with their social media, make it look as if ISIS hates Allah and Mohammed, not in big ways that are obvious, but smaller that makes recruits stand back and second guess. Undermine their ability to recruit anyone and recruit money and they will crumble faster than 10,000 bombs can hurt them.

    Sever their income, destroy their ability to recruit and communicate. and please do it decently instead of carpet bombing that gets a lot of innocents as well. redirect their bank accounts to supporting Israel or other groups they hate.

    Reveal all their financial supporters, and feel free to drain their accounts as well.

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    1. Re:Dear Anonymous... by r-diddly · · Score: 2

      I don't think that will work, since the exact things ISIS does -- and uses for recruiting purposes -- already show fully that they hate Allah and Mohammed.

    2. Re:Dear Anonymous... by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      Anonymous are completely incapable of such subtlety, really there is little to nothing effective Anonymous can do except boast about taking action. It would be nice to think they could impact them but really it will be similar to their actions with Charlie Hebdo which will amount to diddly squat and if anything just provides more publicity for them.

    3. Re:Dear Anonymous... by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 2

      One thing you can do is screw with their social media, make it look as if ISIS hates Allah and Mohammed, not in big ways that are obvious, but smaller that makes recruits stand back and second guess.

      Interesting. One sometimes hears in the media things like "Islam is a peaceful religion" and "ISIS does not represent true Islam." I don't know enough about Islam to make a judgement either way. But let's assume that those statements are correct. What better way would there be to ruin a peaceful religion than by conducting a variety of barbaric acts in its name and vigorously publicizing them worldwide via the Internet? For example, you could behead journalists, burn captured pilots alive in a cage, treat captured women as slaves, repeatedly rape those women in order to somehow "convert" them to your religion. And heck, while you're at it, you could even demolish ancient art and architecture which had survived for thousands of years before your "peaceful religion" came along.

      In this context, the best way for Anonymous to make Allah and Mohammed look bad would be simply leave ISIS alone to do the job themselves...

    4. Re:Dear Anonymous... by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      the exact things ISIS does already show fully that they hate Allah and Mohammed.

      Really? I'm pretty sure they're getting all of their power by following the Q'uran very literally.

    5. Re:Dear Anonymous... by Tom · · Score: 1

      Reveal all their financial supporters

      1. Saudi Arabia
      (nothing for a long time)
      x. various individuals

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    6. Re:Dear Anonymous... by hawk · · Score: 1

      Nothing effective?

      How will its followers react when an expose shows that the actual source of their financing is from, say, pork farms or trading? That a certain leader is Jewish, or female? That a jihadi's home village was just destroyed that other tribe, after recruiters tricked him and his fellow tribesmen into leaving?

      There is *plenty* that can be done with mere information, true or not.

      hawk

    7. Re:Dear Anonymous... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are getting their power by offering "revenge", "belonging", "higher purpose" to inviduals that for some reason or other feel like outsiders and have "nothing to lose". That, and by the usual route of selling oil for money and then buying influence and power with that money. Even Al-qaida doesn't like them. They kill muslims, they are just hungry for power, fuck islam and all other religions, it's power they want.

    8. Re:Dear Anonymous... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? The way I see it, they are putting together a pretty plausible reading of the Koran and Hadiths.

      The problem with fundamental Islam is the fundamentals

  17. Give targets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anon give France targets as well as the chatter that identified them in near real time. You are less bureaucratic than the intel services and can ID and confer intel faster. They have the fighter jets and ground assets.

    The US is too toothless to attack those targets in near real time.

    JJ

    1. Re:Give targets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not the job of the US. Remember 9/11 and all the aid France offered to help us acquire targets in Afghanistan? Fuck 'em. The US doesn't need to be the world's muscle.

  18. What a joke... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Hey Mom? Can you send down a double order of hot pockets to the my basement apartment? I've vowed revenge on ISIS and can't get out to the grocery store this week." Which do you think will be more effective - hacking twitter accounts or dropping bombs on them?

    1. Re:What a joke... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So we can only do the most effective thing according to you and are limited to doing only that one thing because, why? What are YOU doing to contribute?

      Oh, nothing but whining on the internet and feeling like you're smart and important. Stupid cunt.

  19. This really depends. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Military and cops shoot back, and Anonymous is simply impotent against an organization like IS.

    This really depends. How secure are French nuclear launch sites at present? How many members of the French military, at this point, would be inclined to simultaneously take a cigarette break/bathroom break, or otherwise look away? How many are, themselves, members of Anonymous? What kind of missile defenses does Dabiq, Syria currently have?

  20. UGH! What bullshit!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are these the idiots who backed down when threatened by the cartels? Please! Bunch of fucking wimps! Morons...

    1. Re:UGH! What bullshit!! by PPH · · Score: 1

      Are these the idiots who backed down when threatened by the cartels?

      The cartels have people inside the US DoJ and CIA. So it's a lot more difficult maintaining anonymity when money is no object in tracking down people messing with the cross-border drug business.

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    2. Re:UGH! What bullshit!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that's the point. Let's see how good these punks are up against real professionals. They're posers... and are just serving up more mass media propaganda. Fuck 'em!

  21. Re:Well, at least they're hard to retaliate agains by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    hack the PCs of ISIS leaders

    Which is bullshit. They need to hack the PCs of the national governments and corporations that finance them. To bring down ISIS means to bring down everything.

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  22. Re:Well, at least they're hard to retaliate agains by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Anonymous is not difficult to target. The Zetas drug cartel did it quite successfully.

    Just brainstorming here, but you think we could hire the Zetas Cartel to go after ISIS?

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  23. Re:Oh great, air attacks on hospitals? by Rei · · Score: 1

    It's the latest trend. The US nailed one in Afghanistan recently, Russia's hit nearly half a dozen since they started bombing Syria... come on, why can't France get in on the game? You know France doesn't like falling behind on trends. Maybe they're trying to start a new trend with bombing football stadiums?

    It's unfortunate, but "suddenly coming up with three dozen targets to strike in one day" when the whole coalition had just been bombing a few per day recently means striking targets that have a higher risk of civilian death that you had previously decided not to hit.

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  24. Re: Well, at least they're hard to retaliate again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not sure, but that would make a great TV show.

  25. Re:Well, at least they're hard to retaliate agains by HiThere · · Score: 1

    Which ones might well be revealed by the records within the PCs of the leaders of ISIS. But good luck trying to find that information.

    OTOH, bombing doesn't do that much good, either. It definitely convinces the population of the area bombed that you are the enemy. Many of them might well not have believed that before you dropped a bomb on their sister or at their uncle's funeral.

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    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  26. Re: The thing about the "bombing ISIS positions".. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The war has been going on for the last 18 months. The targets they hit were always there and it just happens to be a few days after the attack.

  27. Re: Go away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a coincidence. I was going to say the same thing about you.

  28. Re: Oh great, air attacks on hospitals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think you realize how many bombs we drop every day. Just because you don't read about it on Fox News doesn't mean we're not doing it.

  29. Dresden was the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You realize that Raqqah is one of the largest cities in Syria, right? People there don't have a choice about "working with Dash".

    I love your tone, when you are the one too stupid to realize how many parallels with Dresden you are describing... that didn't stop the bombing then, nor should it now. The people "working with" ISIS (I love your attempt to rename them by the way to make them sound more romantic and less monstrous than they really are) are in fact supporting the group, even if they do so under protest. They should either fight from within or leave my any means possible, including death. That Raqqah the city exists as a safe base is a huge recruiting tools; you get to keep your assigned wife and your government issued christian sex slaves in relative comfort at home while you go off to fight knowing your family/slaves are safe. Destroying the show city would show this to be an illusion and many would think twice before moving there afterward.

    By saving a few hundred innocents you are condemning tens of thousands of innocents to death in the coming years, not to mention exacerbating the refugee crisis. But I guess you can rest easy with that.

    And none of this changes the fact that piecemeal arming of militias will accomplish nothing of substance, any more than an air war alone will.

    You needn't worry though since no government has the spine to do anything meaningful to attack islamic extremists, so Raqqah will carry on peacefully for many years, churning out support for murderers for many years to come. At least until the first nuclear attacks, the next inflection point where the countries may start to get serious.

  30. take down PS4 network! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    apparently French investigators believe that ISIS communicates encrypted messages over the PlayStation 4 network.

    So could Anonymous please take down Sony again, that'll help a lot, thanks!

    (capcha: target. really!)

    1. Re:take down PS4 network! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was Belgium who postulated that. Fucking ignorant savage. Shut the fuck up and stop looking stupid on the internet. You're an embarrassment to your family, friends, race, gender, and country. Eat a bowl of dicks and stop posting, you make the rest of us ACs look stupid.

  31. Targeting ISIS with low orbit ion cannons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Serious peepz like the MAN used to tell us be careful what you do cuz your actions can f00k up frag1l3 sp00k capabilities. Sometimes low hanging fruit is allowed to remain that way on purpose.

  32. Anonymous hacks twitter acoounts, IS hacks period by sittingnut · · Score: 0

    what a relief ! we are all safe now that Anonymous is fighting IS.
    what if they hacked the wrong syrian accounts(as usual), IS will kill the account holders anyway.

    notice anonymous has fine sense of morality. it does not fight against terrorist attacks in non western countries . nor against drone killing of children by our heroes the military of west.

  33. Correction(s) by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The U.S. chose to withdraw from both Iraq and Afghanistan (though in reality they only withdrew to Iraq, and stopped withdrawing from Afghanistan once they realized how badly they had screwed up Iraq by withdrawing way too soon).

    Obama claims he had no choice but to withdraw, but he very much wanted to and you'd have to be an idiot to think we couldn't have stayed had we just asked. We should have at least asked.

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    1. Re:Correction(s) by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The U.S. chose to withdraw from both Iraq and Afghanistan (though in reality they only withdrew to Iraq, and stopped withdrawing from Afghanistan once they realized how badly they had screwed up Iraq by withdrawing way too soon).

      Obama claims he had no choice but to withdraw, but he very much wanted to and you'd have to be an idiot to think we couldn't have stayed had we just asked. We should have at least asked.

      It's called taking a breather. When Bush and the neocons wanted to settle a family squabble they could have made a quick strike and left. But instead, the hopelessly romantic and completely wrong "hearts and minds", regime change, and institution of Democracy nonsense just put us into the now permanent warfare mode.

      So worry not, muchacho, we'll be back over there soon enough, especially if a Republican other than Rand Paul is elected. This isn't a political matter, everyone of them is itching to get boots on the ground again - except Paul, who calls the endless war model "liberal".

      I agree with him about the difficulties of endless warfare spending, and not going bankrupt, but not so much about the billions being the fault of the mythical liberal. I guess that's just what you call someone who disagrees with you. Must suck to have a problem on where to go to dinner in some households.

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    2. Re:Correction(s) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem was that they disbanded the army and police force instead of just throwing the top tier in jail and then put the rest of it under the control of the US military. That was Brenner's stupid decision.

    3. Re:Correction(s) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once, I had a Liberal hiding under my bed AND an SJW in my closet!

    4. Re:Correction(s) by moeinvt · · Score: 2

      " you'd have to be an idiot to think we couldn't have stayed had we just asked. "

      Bush negotiated the withdrawal date with the Iraqi government. When the date was approaching, the idea of an ongoing U.S. presence was indeed proposed, but the Iraqis refused to renew the Status Of Forces Agreement(SOFA). That's the agreement which grants U.S. military personnel the permission to operate with impunity inside the country. This was unacceptable to the USA. I suppose Obama could have forced the issue, but based on his campaign promises, he had to maintain the illusion of being the "peace" guy.

      There's no good time to withdraw from a mess like this other than ASAP. Given the aftermath of the U.S. government's withdrawal from Vietnam, it could also be argued that the withdrawal happened "too soon". But, just like Vietnam, the situations in Iraq and Afghanistan are both completely untenable. There is no possible way to "win". The defeat is not a military defeat. It's a defeat based on the creation and maintenance of an endless morass of human misery and a sinkhole of U.S. taxpayer wealth.

    5. Re:Correction(s) by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The problem was that they disbanded the army and police force instead of just throwing the top tier in jail and then put the rest of it under the control of the US military. That was Brenner's stupid decision.

      Yeah, That was a bonehead move. Plus allegiences shift so easily. I don't have a count on the number of times that a presumptive ally suddenly becomes enemy in that neighborhood, but it has to be many times.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    6. Re:Correction(s) by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Once, I had a Liberal hiding under my bed AND an SJW in my closet!

      And I have a lovely bunch of coconuts.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  34. So we know how many have to die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So now we know how many have to die before we take action. Sad that France was so inept at realizing the threat and now we learn a refugee was part of the attack. Go figure, the US will end up being just as inept as we continue to monitor over 900 potential terrorists? Gee, do we have to wait until they kill hundreds to get anything done? Heck we know where the leaders are of ISIS, we know the buildings, they are housed in, where they train, how come nothing has been done till hundreds were killed or wounded? WTF is wrong with our leaders anymore? Cowards is the word! Afraid to define evil when it stares right at you. Shame on our leaders. Blood is on your hands, kill evil before it kills us.

  35. Best to leave them alone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We bombed the crap out of Iraq, Osama bin Laden, and Saddam Hussein, have been killed, al Qedea has devastated. Those things did not prevent ISIS - they caused it.

    This is just what Islam does.

    Leave their countries alone, and keep them out of our countries. Then everybody in the mid-east can just get back to killing each other.

    1. Re:Best to leave them alone? by eWarz · · Score: 1

      No they won't. They'll just blame some other random thing that the U.S. or . ' is buying oil from our enemies...so they must pay'. Groups like ISIS will always exist. Whether it be Japan in WWII,The Soviet Union, Vietnam, North Korea, Al Qaeda, ISIS, or some other threat. The only difference is that our U.S. dick waving gives them a scapegoat. Don't be fooled however, because they'd find some other excuse to attack us anyways. These groups exist for no other reason then to do their own dick waving. They want to be in the news and scare people into submission. I don't agree with the U.S. or other countries having a heavy handed approach, but hell poke a bear with a stick and you deserve what happens next...maybe that is what caused the extinction of the dinosaurs...

  36. If you really want to know who is responsible ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... look to Saudi Arabia !

    ...Why does anyone require 'due diligence' and fact-checking against insane violent assholes like these Sunni extremist fuckstains that laughingly call themselves the 'Islamic State'

    ... Well, for a start, to make sure that's who's actually responsible ...

    People simply can *NOT* get radicalized out of a vaccuum

    Most of the sunni moslems get radicalized from the teachings of their imams, from the hate filled sermons uttered by the imams on the pulpit inside the mosques all over the world, and from the teachings they received when they were studying their 'peaceful religions' inside the madrasa ... and most of the imams, the mosques, the madrasas of the sunni sect in the whole world are being funded by the oil money from Saudi Arabia

    Every year the Saudis provide funding for all these programs, to the tunes of tens of billions of dollars --- yes, you read it right, TENS OF BILLIONS

    This has been an open secret for decades

    The government of the United States of America knows about Saudi's funding of radicalization of moslems

    The governments of the European countries know about Saudi's funding of radicalizations of moslems

    All the nations in the world know it too, but no one dare to tell Saudi Arabia to stop radicalizing the moslems because everyone needs their oil

  37. Re:Well, at least they're hard to retaliate agains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It definitely convinces the population of the area bombed that you are the enemy. Many of them might well not have believed that before you dropped a bomb on their sister or at their uncle's funeral.

    Fuck 'em.

  38. Quit trying to hoodwink people, wilya? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    I am really sick and tired of your lame attempt of hoodwinking people with _half-truths_

    ... If you are killed by an Islamist terrorist, you are eight times more likely to be Muslim than non-Muslim ...

    REAL FACT:

    Over 86% of the moslems in this world live inside Moslem-majority countries

    The largest group of moslems living in a non-moslem majority country are the moslems in India *about 8%*

    2nd largest group of moslems living in non-moslem majority countries are moslems living in the West (EU, Canada, and USA) *about 3%*

    3rd largest group of moslems living in a non-moslem majority country are the moslems in China*about 1.6*

    The above 3 groups put algether amounts to less than 12.5% of the total number of moslems in the entire world

    With more than 86% of the total number of moslems living in MOSLEM-MAJORITY COUNTRIES the likelihood that a moslem being killed by their fellow moslems is - of course - much higher than the likelihood of moslems being killed by non-moslems or the likelihood of non-moslems being killed by moslems

    --
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    1. Re:Quit trying to hoodwink people, wilya? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not entirely sure these statements are quite the full picture.

      I'd like to hear the one of 'For the last 30 years If you are a muslim and die violently' you are most likely to die because of:
      1. Muslim terrorist deliberately attempting to top you
      2. Muslim government (local or national) deliberately wiping you out
      3. Other violent act perpetrated by a muslim
      4. US or other western Military or paramilitary shooting or dropping a bomb on you.

      I'm sure it would make interesting reading.

    2. Re:Quit trying to hoodwink people, wilya? by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      I agree with almost everything you said. Your statistics are correct, although you did skip over the part where it is a stated goal of ISIS that 200 million Shia are apostates and marked for death.

      Nonetheless, please read the post that I was replying to. It may help you understand the point I was trying to make. The flippant part was this:

      Moderate Muslim: someone who wants someone else to cut off your head

      The main motivation of most "moderate Muslims" is not to have your head cut off, but to get through their day like pretty much everyone else on the planet.

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      sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f(q{sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f});
    3. Re:Quit trying to hoodwink people, wilya? by KGIII · · Score: 2

      As someone who has traveled the globe, to some extent, including into areas with active conflict zones (a turn of phrase that I don't prefer but will save time by using it - clarification is available if requested) - I've been in majority-Muslim countries. I've been in areas where there are armed children on the street. I've been in areas where the people are truly desperate.

      So, while this may seem an appeal to authority - that is not my intent, this is my experience so it is anecdotal and only my observations.

      You're correct. No matter where I've gone (and I've had the State Department tell me that I'm on my own and strongly advise me to not go), the VAST majority of the people are just people. To varied degrees they put their head down and do what they need to do to make the best of their situation. They're not intrinsically evil - even the people we disagree with. Most of those, the armed folks, are just doing what they need to do in order to survive. There are exceptions, there always are. However, the overwhelming majority seems to support my conclusion.

      People are people, no matter where you go.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    4. Re:Quit trying to hoodwink people, wilya? by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      With more than 86% of the total number of moslems living in MOSLEM-MAJORITY COUNTRIES the likelihood that a moslem being killed by their fellow moslems is - of course - much higher than the likelihood of moslems

      Incorrect. If there is any targeted killing of non-muslims by islamic terrorists, and they are any good at targeting and killing - this is not "of course" at all.

      Even according to your "whole truth", there are only 6.14 times as many muslims living in countries with non-trivial muslim than those with very low muslim population (lower than 1.6%). Yet it is 8 times likely that a violently killed person in islamic terrorism was a muslim. 8 is greater than 6.14.

      The "half-truth" indicates that either there is no targeting or it is poor. 8 being greater than 6.14 proves that there is a slight targeting of muslims rather than non-muslims. Which is a non-trivial hypothesis given the bad-mouthing islamists have received as far as their attitude to others goes.

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  39. 100 Year Plan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We hope Anonymous has a 100, or 1000 year plan to keep attacking their propaganda because, sadly, radical Islam is much more disciplined than any effort to combat them thus far. Sorry to say but REAL BOMBS and acceptable collateral damage must be accepted in this real WAR.

    1. Re:100 Year Plan? by PPH · · Score: 1

      One could have said the same thing about Christianity before the Age of Enlightenment. But most of them have mellowed out and stopped burning people at the stake.

      Even now, people like Jihadi John are covering their faces, knowing full well that the current struggle isn't likely to last long enough for full time employment. And their future involves having to sneak back into western society and retire on a UK pension.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
  40. Guerilla warfare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The way to fight guerilla warfare is to bring the game to them. Hide among the civilians and take them out. Hit them where they live, where they are most vulnerable. Overwhelm them 10x each time they hit us. Torture and behead their sorry asses whenever found, publicly. Do everything governments can't do officially. Kill them before they kill us.

    Anonymous is the right group to do this.

    1. Re:Guerilla warfare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, we're going to arm and send in the keyboard guerrillas of /k/ and they've got the tactics, gear, and training needed for a role like this!

  41. That's why Christians are not in Jihad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All your text is very nice and explains why modern Christian societies are engaged in barbarism by and large, or at least not exporting it wholesale.

    However it utterly ignores that Islam does not have all of these flavors of Islam as yet, it has the Koran and that is it.

    What is the equivalent of the New Testament for Islam exactly? Can you point to who is following that? Or is it more the case that all you can do is point to people who follow only selected parts of the Koran, thus not really being muslims as the fundamental guidebook would have them be.

    1. Re:That's why Christians are not in Jihad... by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      However it utterly ignores that Islam does not have all of these flavors of Islam as yet, [...]

      Yes it does. Islam has a lot of flavours. Some are legalistic, some are mystical and contemplative, and that's not counting the large number (possibly the majority) of people who identify as Muslim and do all the rituals but who don't really give a crap about politics unless it's hurting them directly.

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      sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f(q{sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f});
    2. Re: That's why Christians are not in Jihad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, there is the Ba'ahi faith, and the Soufi tradition. Look them up.

  42. Re:Well, at least they're hard to retaliate agains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oil smuggling operation

    The world has no more problem with ISIS smuggling oil than it did with Iraq smuggling oil.

  43. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Under ISIS (your relabeling to attempt to paint them as more relatable is pretty sickening) Christians are killed, as are Jews - that is, the ones not used as sex slaves.

    The surrendering and paying taxes thing is pretty much for other sects of muslims.

    1. Re:Nope by budgenator · · Score: 2

      ISIS's name is “al-Dawla al-Islamiya fi Iraq wa al-Sham.” is converted to an acronym Daesh which is an Arabic word

      That daesh is an Arabic word in its own right (rather than an acronym) meaning ‘a group of bigots who impose their will on others’
      That it can be ‘differently conjugated’ to mean either the phrase above or ‘to trample and crush’
      That one of the words in the acronym also means ‘to trample or crush’
      That it is an insult or swearword in its own right
      That is has different meanings in the plural form
      Decoding Daesh: Why is the new name for ISIS so hard to understand?

      ISIS hates the term and often makes death threats against those who use; relabeling ISIS as Daesh is used as a provocative insult.

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    2. Re:Nope by elfprince13 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for beating me to this post.

  44. All Anonymous needs to do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...is hack as many ISIS-linked social media accounts they can get their hands on, and bombard their followers and feeds with the cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad from the Garland, Texas art display.

    I'm pretty sure the problem should sort itself out after that.

  45. Do muslims think the US is a terrorists state? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The US already does a good job at recruiting for ISIS and similar organization with the drone strikes. Something like 80% or 90% of the victims of the drone attacks are innocent people. Also, there been news stories about the US doing double strikes where the rescuers get hit and killed. It is pretty easy to see that if you kill 2 correct people and 8 innocent people that the family of the 8 innocent would be new terrorists. What exactly would you do if the US killed your innocent: sister, brother, son, daughter, mother, father etc.? Would you forget about it or would you make it your life's mission to KILL as many US citizens?

  46. Fear ? by __aagigi1968 · · Score: 0

    For,I bet the front line Isis fighters are quaking in their boots knowing that a bunch of comfortable,white,western teenagers are going to go to war against them by attacking their i.t hardware...oh bugger,they don't have any and don't use modern com's for anything dealt important. Anon trying to make a story out of a non event,sad bastards,who have a greatly inflated idea of their own importance and effects.. I would be shutting myself knowing a bunch of third rate script kiddies are after me while I'm running around ducking bullets and shrapnel !!! Hard to pick between the two pairs of arrogant wankers,daesh or anon..

    1. Re:Fear ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Find a site where you can communicate in your native language, thanks. This is an English speaking site.

  47. Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just a bunch of childish losers who need to get laid more often

    1. Re: Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can't. They're fugly. Not even a blind prostitute would touch them. And they smell.

  48. Re:Dumbass alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I never thought I'd live to see the day when some random dipshit on slashdot would support ISIS.

  49. Just like the drug cartels right? OOPS! by Chas · · Score: 1

    We are Anonymous! We will DDOS your servers!
    We are Anonymous! We will Dox you!
    PH33R U$!!!
    What? You'll shoot us, and others if we do this?
    *Weird Al* I WAS ONLY KIDDING!

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    Chas - The one, the only.
    THANK GOD!!!
  50. Re:Dumbass alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Free clue: ISIS is controlled by the CIA.

    *eye roll*
    Suuuure it is.
    And the Moon landings were all faked.
    And Kennedy was assassinated by his own government.
    And the holocaust never happened.
    And human-caused climate change is a conspiracy.

    People like you single-handedly keep the tinfoil manufacturers in business, with all those hats you keep making out of the stuff. Do yourself and everyone around you a favor: Go take your meds, k?

  51. lol anonymice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They gave up quickly their little "war" against the Zetas, not that they would have made much of an impact anyway. Face it, "anonymous" is a bunch of socially shunned, rejected nerds out for their great "revenge", which they believe they can enact with their puny little computers. They will only muddle things up like a bunch of kids playing detective on a real crime scene, and nothing else. Time to round'em up, arrest them and smash their stupid machines.

    1. Re:lol anonymice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time to round'em up, arrest them and smash their stupid machines.

      This, and don't forget the cowards.

    2. Re:lol anonymice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of them have some good hardware. Don't smash it! Give it to the poor or to someone who can use it.

    3. Re:lol anonymice by Raseri · · Score: 1

      As far as I can tell, there was never a war with the Zetas; it was just one asshole with a book coming out looking for publicity. No police report was filed for the original "kidnapping", the guy who said he was going to release the information anyway is still alive, the information has never actually been released, etc.

      --
      Writhe your naked ass to the mindless groove.
  52. You don't want to falsely accuse someone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's because they don't have any requirement to perform due diligence or, well, investigate anything. Investigators do. Anonymous are more like instigators

    Why does anyone require 'due diligence' and fact-checking against insane violent assholes ...

    You find a connection to a person. Is that person a knowing participant - an unknowing "beard" providing cover for a participant, again, doing so unknowingly? Ex. going to clubs and bars and events as a friend. Is that person doing legal business with them, again, with no knowledge of the participants true plans? Ex Renting a room, renting a car, buying groceries, etc. If you don't investigate the connection you may falsely accuse someone of being a knowing participant. That sort of accusations shows up on page 1 in big print. The retraction and apology that follow later when the truth is discovered shows up on page 18 and in small print. Or for those that don't get the newspaper reference ... guess what shows up first when a prospective employer googles that person?

  53. Zeta Cartels keeping US border safe ... by drnb · · Score: 1

    Anonymous is not difficult to target. The Zetas drug cartel did it quite successfully.

    Just brainstorming here, but you think we could hire the Zetas Cartel to go after ISIS?

    The Zeta Cartels are probably already keeping ISIS types away from the US border. The last thing they want is an ISIS type to infiltrate into the US across the southern border and get the US population interested in securing the border. The US southern border is safe. An ISIS type will come to the US on a student VISA from an EU country, or infiltrate the northern border after getting into Canada on a humanitarian basis.

  54. Don't need the Legion for this one by drnb · · Score: 1

    If only France, the target of this terrorist attack, had some kind of elite military force composed (mostly) of foreigners... ;-)

    The Legion is only necessary when the operation and its cost would be unpopular with the French public. I don't think any mission targeting ISIS would be very unpopular with the French. The entire French military is eligible for this one.

  55. France supports ISIS and wants to gadhafy Assad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "In a more conventional response, the government of France has been bombarding ISIS positions in Syria with airstrikes"

    If you believe that, I have the Pont Neuf to sell you. They are bombing syrian infrastructure to prevent the now almost victorious secular Assad regime from re-building the country. Remember that France was the one who started bombing Libya and it was shown on TV and is still visible on Youtube how a french secret service agent ritually sacrificed libyan leader Moammer el-Gadhafi. More than 200k libyan people then perished from armed violence in the country, which France, USA and UK pushed into total chaos. They imposed islamic fundamental gangs on the country to be able to steal its oil and gold reserves, the crime hidden among the noise of anarchy.

    Similarly, in Syria, which was a french protectorate-colony between WWI and WW2, the so-called "moderate" syrian rebels (i.e. beheaders with with ISIL flag kept in the pocket, not hand) are brimming with french-made MILAN anti-tank guided missiles, FAMAS compact assault rifles and Manurhin grenade launchers. Meanwhile ISIL/ISIS, which holds control of several oil fields, are sending many tanker shiploads of crude to Europe and USA at 1/5th the market price. Conflict blood diamonds are old-fashioned, it is now blood-oil boom.

    It is a matter of fact that satanism has become the governing force in USA ever since Dubya Bush came to power and has been wrecking havoc worldwide. The western european masonic vassals, UK, France, Italy merrily jumped on the bandwagon, hoping to rob their former colonies of all wealth and sacrifice hundreds of thousands of people to Osiris-Lucifer. Who is behind it all? Israel, which keeps the euro-atlantic powers on a lead. They want to become a zionist empire spanning from the Nile to the Euphrates. They want to destroy Iraq and Syria to gain territories, but distant countries like Libya and Iran also must go, since they supported the palestinian cause. After Israel becomes as big and powerful as the major european powers, other countries on other continents will be forcibly dismantled as well, for profit.

    Who is going to stand up against the world conquest of satanism? The russians are evil themselves, violating the treaty againt Ukraine and conquering its territories, shooting down an airliner and threatening the independence of baltic states, which suffered so much genocide under soviet-russian communism. The current Pope is only interested in praising Israel. India, formerly a voice of non-aligned movement reason with Yugoslavia in the 1970-80s, is now only interested in obtaining US and israeli "wunderwaffe", hoping to wage war of conquest versus Pakistan. Some say mainland China is the only hope, but that country has such a terrible recent record of human sacrifice by the tens of millions under the disguise of "communist cultural revolution" that Satan is probably better than them. Brazil and South America is in deep crisis. Japan is stagnant and wastes her energy hating Korea and China. Who is the hope of salvation then?

    Some philosophers actually say what is going on now on our planet is beyond satanism. Satan, while evil, is a strict ruler and keeps an evil order at least. What is being done now is the creation of total chaos on Earth, in the physical world and the electronic-virtual sphere as well as the moral-spiritual sphere. Some forces want everything to fall apart into a quantum-chaos state. They have many unwitting servants, from zionists to freemasons, from anarchist cypher-punks to satanists, but they will all become cannon-fodder when (if) the grand plan plays out.

    The masonic empire of France is just one puzzle piece in the masterplan and the circa 130 dead in Paris are just a drop in the sea of blood in the vast ritual human sacrifice that has been going in many artificially instigated conflict places on Earth and will culminate in WW3.

  56. Re: Well, at least they're hard to retaliate again by ksheff · · Score: 1

    Saving Private Perez, Part 2?

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  57. The bitchslapping of Dave420... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Everyone who does use HOSTS files (myself included) doesn't use your software" - by dave420 (699308) on Thursday November 05, 2015 @07:30AM (#50869743)

    A small sampling of /.'ers say my work is good who use my hosts file engine quoted:

    ---

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ... apk

    ---

    * So, what's that you said I have quoted above Dave420? LMAO... you FAIL as usual, again, vs. me!

    APK

    P.S.=> Do you have ANY idea how many of these I have bookmarked in your constant failures in trolling me, especially on hosts? 50 of them and the result is always like this one is - you say something I can put away with undeniable fact that proves you wrong... lol!

    Thanks for making me look good, & yourself? Well - lmao, "not so good" (like the fool you are)... apk

    1. Re:The bitchslapping of Dave420... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A much larger sampling of Slashdotters thinks you're a loud, annoying retard.

    2. Re:The bitchslapping of Dave420... apk by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Ahh, I see now why you are so quiet on my comments today.

      A small sampling of /.'ers say my work is good who use my hosts file engine quoted:

      You do realize that not a single quote you give supports that statement, don't you? All of those people say that they think your software is decent, or that they use hosts files, but none of them say they use your software to edit their hosts files.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    3. Re:The bitchslapping of Dave420... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More normal people know dave420 and coren22 are ne'er-do-well trolls.

    4. Re:The bitchslapping of Dave420... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Proof small sample size often leads to incorrect conclusions - most cogent thing I have ever read from APK!

    5. Re:The bitchslapping of Dave420... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most normal people notice that the same sort of anon comments as this start showing up whenever APK's around.

  58. Re:Well, at least they're hard to retaliate agains by KGIII · · Score: 1

    This folks, this response that I'm replying to, is how you end up with continual conflicts.

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    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  59. Re:If you really want to know who is responsible . by Maritz · · Score: 1

    "moslem"

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    I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
  60. The bitchslapping of Dave420... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Everyone who does use HOSTS files (myself included) doesn't use your software" - by dave420 (699308) on Thursday November 05, 2015 @07:30AM (#50869743)

    Some /.'ers made you "eat your words": They use my hosts file engine saying it's good vs. your bullshit:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    (LMAO... you FAIL as usual, again, vs. me!)

    * What's that you said I have quoted from you above Dave420?

    APK

    P.S.=> Thanks for making me look good: You always say something I can put away with undeniable facts that prove you wrong... lol!

    ... apk

  61. How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Inciting them further by defacing their websites with a picture of Mohammed being sodomized by his first wife (the rich widowed trader, who is where he got all his assets from, broke desert trash that he was,)

    Or if you want to be REALLY incisive, make him performing oral sex on her. After all it's probably what he had to do to get her to marry him, right?

    Captcha agrees! 'mounds'

    1. Re:How about... by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Inciting them further by defacing their websites..

      So far as their Internet presence goes, things of that sort would actually be effective, especially if they could be denied access to 'fix' the 'damage'; it would make them look stupid and ineffective, discrediting them in the eyes of the public, and more to the point, in the eyes of those that might be swayed and recruited by them. Killing someone potentially creates a martyr; once someone is dead, you can't really effectively hurt them anymore. But discrediting someone, leaving them alive, allows for near infinite possibilities to hurt them more in the future, and as we've seen in the media, some damage, once done, can't be recovered from.

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  62. Re:Dumbass alert by Maritz · · Score: 1

    Free clue: ISIS is controlled by the CIA.

    I don't think you're going to have much luck charging for your clues.

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    I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
  63. Re: Oh great, air attacks on hospitals? by Rei · · Score: 1

    Actually, I do try to follow all of the daily sorties, using both official/international reports and ground reports. The rate of coalition attacks in Syria had been really falling recently.

    For one who wants to pay attention, this conflict has actually been fairly easy to follow because the regime and various rebel factions usually roughly agree on ground truths (roughly). There's not much "Baghdad Bobbing" here.

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  64. DDoS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So, what are they going to do? DDoS them? That will show them!

  65. Anonymous has no balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember Anonymous tried something similar with the Mexican cartels. Anonymous pussied out after Los Zetas threatened them with violence.

  66. Re: Oh great, air attacks on hospitals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stupid shit. How many American do you know who are pining to type a thorn? Perhaps you assume everyone's an American and watches Fox News? I can assure you that the person you relied to does not. You're a fucking ignorant cunt. I bet you were OUTRAGED with the US hitting a hospital. It's okay when France does it. Fucking twit. DIAF

  67. Re:If you really want to know who is responsible . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do know that Moslem is a correct spelling, right?

  68. Beware CIA and Mossad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Beware CIA and Mossad, anonymous is coming for you, bawhahahaha.

  69. ISIS must be scared now... by Computershack · · Score: 1
    OMG you're going to DDoS their website or name ISIS members. I can see someone who has just hacked off someone's head with a blunt spoon being really bothered about anything that Anonymous could do.

    One wonders what the response from the scriptkiddies would be if ISIS posted a Youtube saying they knew who the Anon members were and they were coming to get them. Given their record for doing real actual physical harm to people and not just taking websites offline or posting to Pastebin then the Anon mob are likely to find themselves running more scared than the ISIS mob are.

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  70. Wasting time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's all due to Israel's occupation, they are the real terrorists coming from the Middle East.

  71. Competition by tompaulco · · Score: 1

    Anonymous doesn't like having competition.

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    If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
  72. Re: Well, at least they're hard to retaliate again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And how do you end this conflict? Go ahead, we all really want to know.

    In places like ISIS' self proclaimed capital right now, "innocent civilians" are basically people being slaughtered by ISIS and people they are sitting idly by watching the slaughter and supporting ISIS passively instead of fighting back.

    The former group is dead one way or another, and the latter isn't a group we should care that much about saving. They might just be incentivized to fight their captors if they know they aren't safe as human shields.

  73. Re:Well, at least they're hard to retaliate agains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    even if it would probably embarrass Turkish president Erdoan and his AKP party

    I suppose it's time to "dispel your notions"!

    (OR rather, your attempts @ mocking me, since I can do that to YOU, easily metrix007 & you KNOW it, I know it, and everyone else can too now... I suppose I can let others know a few samples of it too now, fair enough?)

    Here's only 1!

    http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

    (Should I post the rest? Just ask, I can & will upon request... I have, oh, another 8 or so on the EXACT same lines, you running from disproving my points on hosts files!)

    Anyhow/anyways:

    "My Name is Ozymandias: King of Kings - Look upon my works, ye mighty, & DESPAIR..."

    (&, for work done for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com on PAID CONTRACT (writing portions of their SuperCache program increasing its performance by up to 40% via my work) albeit, for their SuperDisk & HOW TO APPLY IT, took them to a finalist position @ MS Tech Ed, two years in a row 2000-2002, in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement).

    GHOSTERY TRUTHS #2: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org]
    "DEAR MR. GATES": 2012 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]
    Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation tax shield: 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]
    Colorblindness and camouflage: 2012 -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm... [slashdot.org]
    HBGary and "Freedom of Speech" plus REAL NAMES on forums: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org]
    Large Projects (millions of lines) vs. TINY ones (200k lines) & rewrite: 2012 -> http://developers.slashdot.org... [slashdot.org]

    APK SECURITY GUIDE:2010 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org]
    APK SECURITY GUIDE (old one):2005 ->
    * And, there you go...

    APK

    P.S.=> So much for your statement above, & that above? Only "scratches the surface" as far as computing + myself over time... apk http://linux.slashdot.org/comm... [slashdot.org]

  74. Re:Well, at least they're hard to retaliate agains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OTOH, bombing doesn't do that much good, either. It definitely convinces the population of the area bombed that you are the enemy. Many of them might well not have believed that before you dropped a bomb on their sister or at their uncle's funeral.

    Not that it matters much. If you bomb ISIS, the civilian casualties will be people who at least support ISIS. Those who did not support ISIS in their region are already dead - killed by ISIS. Might as well use a few nukes. Russians and Americans could agree on a number of nukes for each - and the French could drop one too.

  75. Re:If you really want to know who is responsible . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "correct" way of spelling something is the most common usage. The way you're spelling it is only common among people trying to make themselves feel superior by being a spelling hipster.

  76. Re:Dear Anonymous...I Am Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am Anonymous,

    It is vital in these respects to remain truthful, Truth is more powerful than made up tactics. To point out the impossibility of removing any religion despite desires of such is important. For example Putin is reported to have threatened to Nuke Mecca.That will not end the religion, however to point out the hypocrisy of a religion that is against idolatry yet has it's members facing towards a meteor in a box (Mecca) 3 times a day is the height of worshiping an idol - note that rock is not God. Perhaps the first group that halted Islam from taking Europe was the Templars, usually it is not considered politically correct to mention them however please allow to point out that they were an independent group - (that did as they wished), as is Anonymous, Hence a factor to consider. Read between the lines...

  77. Anonymous can help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If Anonymous can help the good guys win the intelligence game against ISIS that all of civilization wins.

  78. Har har how funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bunch of stupid kids seeking glory from a tragedy. You shit nerds bashed your skulls open upon Amazon's security, and you want to take on terrorists? Do you remember when you announced "war" against the Zetas then crapped your diapers and went crying to mommy? News for you nerds: you were losers in high school and you are losers now. No amount of fake keyboard bravado will ever make up for the rightful humiliation you have been subjected to. You were shit, you are shit and you will always be shit. You are born to be stomped upon then be wiped from the soles of Real People. Now go pop those zits, you're disgusting.

  79. Re:Well, at least they're hard to retaliate agains by budgenator · · Score: 1

    ... Anonymous is simply impotent against an organization like IS.

    I'm not so sure, an Anonymous attack on ISIS would certainly interfere with their social media recruiting, release of the server access.log and error.log could easily provide numerous oppertunities to Law Enforcement or Intelligence, and not to mention the possibility of making an IT worker on the inside, who's sympathetic to Anonymous a lot easier to turn.
    The thing about organisations like ISIS is they heavily depend on a few charismatic individuals to present their public face, which provides LE, Intel and Anonymous with high value targets like Mohammed Emwazi AKA "Jihadi John" to concentrate on.

    --
    Apocalypse Cancelled, Sorry, No Ticket Refunds
  80. semantics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Revenge? How many Muslims will they kill?

  81. Re: If you really want to know who is responsible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only "correct" way of spelling? Really? What you're saying is like claiming truth can only be determined by popular or prevalent belief.

  82. This is a war of ideas... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To those who believe that this is somehow politically motivated, that religion has no part, that ISIS does not represent a plausible interpretation of Islam, I say bollocks.

    ISIS simply wants to create a Islamic Caliphate within the levant. Unfortunately, they also want it to be ruled under Sharia law, and have decided to use methods and tactics proscribed straight out of their holy book. Their beliefs represent a clear and plausible interpretation of Islam, no one can deny it. You liberals can shout all you want that they aren't muslims, aren't Islamic, but you're just blowing hot air and using a "No true muslim" argument. It's hogwash.

    The west, and more importantly moderate muslims, must fight this at an ideological level. These beliefs must be shown to be harmful to the greater worldwide society. We also have a moral imperative to treat everyone with dignity and respect, but at the same time call out those who have decided to run really bad software (extreme religious beliefs) in their heads, regardless of who they are.

    I think it's time for another round of cartoons.

  83. The problem with... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The problem with fundamental religion is the fundamentals

    The problem with vigilante justice is the vigilantes

    Although I support Anonymous' goals, I do not support their methods. If you want to change the system for the better, you must navigate within it to make it better. This is what civilized societies and people do. They change the rules USING the rules. This is true even if the system is corrupt, unfair, and rigged against you.

    Yes, sometimes that will mean breaking the law, but even that should be done in a non-violent manner. Violence should always be your absolute last resort.

    Unfortunately, lately, it seems violence seems to have become the default response (on both sides).

  84. Re:Dumbass alert by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    PS, we the CIA have inserted into all the aluminum foil produced antennas to rebroadcast the signals through the foil. Your tin foil hats have been rendered useless for decades!

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  85. Re:Dumbass alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was with you till the last one...

    CC (or AGW, or whatever the fuck they're calling it this week so that their name aligns with the latest information and doesn't contradict it) is simply a cash cow for "scientists", who shout down any who dare show opposing findings using the same data, rather than real scientists who collaborate with those who oppose their view to find what's called "the truth".

    AGW is nothing but another conspiracy theory, used by the governments of the world to promote a fear in order to keep control of the citizens. That's it. Nothing more.

    Not that I don't believe in being conscientious stewards of our planet, or that we should only burn coal and oil. I fully believe that we need to continue to find alternate energy sources, and clean up our act. But what I don't need is a bunch of assholes telling me that my carbon footprint is too large, while they fly around in their private jets and ride in limos. Fuck off, assholes, and use your money to fund research to find solutions to our energy problems.

  86. Is not being able to read a symptom? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Of your "assburgers outism"? It's that or you're blind (possibly illiterate)!

    APK

    P.S.=> Coren22 - look: I understand your stomach's upset from "eating your words" vs. myself due to your massive technical mistakes & lies but don't take it out on me - you did it to yourself... apk

    1. Re:Is not being able to read a symptom? apk by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

      He says the program is good, not that he uses it.

      "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

      He likes it, doesn't say he uses it

      "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

      Says he tried it, not that he actually uses it

      "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

      It is useful, for people that are completely computer illiterate and can't follow an easy set of directions...Still doesn't say he uses your software.

      So, where are the quotes where

      say my work is good who use my hosts file engine quoted:

      Or do your mental deficiencies not allow you to understand the difference between "yeah it is ok" and "I love it and run it on a daily basis"?

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  87. Coren22, all anyone has to do... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Is take a look @ your post history and my posts beneath it to judge "what's-what" here, lol...

    * :)

    LOL! Since I watched "The Watchmen" this weekend, I finally figured out WHO you would be in that film: "Captain Carnage"... lmao!

    (You can't HELP but fail vs. myself - it's getting to the point where I actually THINK you like it in fact!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Are you also a sado-masochist or what? apk

    1. Re:Coren22, all anyone has to do... apk by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      You mean your tirade where every single response that wasn't obviously you said you were being annoying and no one cared about your points but you weren't helping yourself?

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  88. LOL, what doubletalk bs... ok: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Where's a program you did yourself that anyone here says is good on /. predating that post of yours now, hmmm?

    They do of my work, & that I'm correct on everything I say about hosts which nobody here manages to validly prove wrong either... funny that, eh?

    APK

    P.S.=> This I've got to see, lol - & IF there is (doubt it)? Can everyone say "sockpuppets by Coren22"?? LOL... apk

  89. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

    + Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts (WFP/SFP)!

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update it?

    ---

    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do its job fully like many security tools!

    Guess what?

    Don't NEED to run my program as ADMIN - I do it here manually vs. auto.

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Users set it, not programmatic impersonation for autoupdate. You design zero & say what's what here?

    ---

    "90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> Continued in #2/4... apk

  90. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Stupid, neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = VASTLY INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I've proven & no one proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. You're a security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code) & I only put in hardcodes of fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of the file is sorted blocked known bad threat origins.

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    See just above!

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened!

    ---

    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It still works there - who are you trying to fool other than yourself?

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #3/4... apk

  91. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    quote> "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/4... apk

  92. Deceptions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's because we don't have bureaucracy to get in the way. But I assure you, we investigate things very carefully. For example,

    These set of attacks, and the response does not make a lot of sense.

    1. If you were in charge of ISIS and being bombed by the United States and Russia, would you launch an attack against France that would most likely respond by adding to the bombing of designated ISIS targets? If you wouldn't do that, then why do you believe they would?

    2. The claims on CNN are that the terrorist originated in Syria but it was planned in Belgium. That was very quick information for them to come up with that. But let's assume it was true. The 9/11 attacks the attackers originated from Saudi Arabia, yet the U.S. attacked Afganistan. Clearly the country where people came from is not always to be the ones to blame, and If you were president Assad and if you really planned something like this, would you want it linked to your country? What if you are simply in Syria, but you were a terrorist; wouldn't you want it linked to some other country or area that would somehow benefit you and your people?

    3. Ever since Obama wanted to invade Syria after the alleged chemical weapon use, and the American people would let him, ISIS suddenly pops out of nowhere, and gives Obama the excuse to go into Syria. I don't want to digress into the who created and supplies ISIS, but the United States was allegedly bombing ISIS, and then Russia comes in and does it (for real). The U.S. was against that, but when France entered the conflict, Obama supports it, so clearly the United States wants France in the conflict.

    4. The intel identifying all the suspects and their origins and planning location came very quick, and I have no doubt reason to doubt this, as I would be capable of tracking this information down as well if I desired to do so; but France started bombing, and the United States is designating targets for them. Russia can't accidently hit one of their planes without bringing the entire E.U. into the conflict, so this clearly benefits Obama and his buddies.

    5. Intel suggest this was a false flag attack. That is political actors wanted to bring France into the conflict, and so they inspired already disgruntled muslims to attack, and those individuals were too stupid to figure out it was a trick. The witnesses indicate the attackers spoke French as if it was their primary language. This adds to the final point; this false flag event originated in France.

    The question is why would that happen?

    1. The U.S. Dollar is collapsing, we have seen rock solid evidence of this.

    2. Anonymous accurately predicted one of Obama's inner circle would be giving Interviews on this and as it turns out, within 3 days, that came true. in fact, Two of the four primary people gave the interview at the same time on CNN.

    John McCain.
    Lindsey Graham
    Harry Reid
    Diane Feinstein
    Mitch McConnell
    Nancy Pelosi
    Joe Biden
    Hillary Clinton
    Eric Holder
    Michael Bloomberg
    George Soros
    Barack Obama
    George Bush
    Bill Clinton

    And of course the first two on the list were giving the interview.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4fWE23B0A0

    3. Because the economy is collapsing, the NWO (New World Order) are attempting to maintain and expand their control by establishing a one world government, one world currency, all under control of a few. And to do this they need to make all the governments more similar. Fascism is the easiest form of government to establish from the existing types; Those countries with a radical different government are simply being destablized, which includes most of the Middle East. see the following.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8YtF76s-yM

    4. So for various reasons I won't go into in order to keep this brief, the U.S. is bombing in Syria, and Russia enterend the conflict (invited by Syria)

    4. So how does it apply to the attacks in France? Countries are positioning themselves politically and militarily fo

  93. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Hypocrite, I show you're projecting in my posts & your signatures about me does the rest. What "advice" can you, an INFERIOR to me, like yourself give?

    "I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I've shown /.'ers say differently by their quoted testimonials - Show us you've done better: YOU can't - & you're "advising"? Talking out your ass on things you haven't done is what you're doing.

    "posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Quotes of you are true! You can't keep your word as you're replying to me yet again + projecting what I prove YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)

    No troll. I protect users for free w/ a program that speeds them up, helps reliability, & even anonymity online w/ more abilities & efficiency than ANY other 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Rile" me? Childish sig bs is all you've got!

    "I have repeatedly refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    BS - See my last 4 posts here!

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admitted you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    You PROVE I AM FOR ME part #1-#4 of your "Greatest Hits Fails"... apk

  94. Timely?! by billdale · · Score: 0

    I really, REALLY do not get it... thank you, Anonymous, for taking aim against these creatures... but why would it take the Paris attacks to spur you to action?! The whole world would have appreciated timelier response on this... like, YEARS ago. And the Taliban and al Qaeda, too, for that matter.

  95. Leaving the base by Ilarih · · Score: 1

    Actually people there would have get an idea to avoid those bases. By the way, maybe those commander in ISIS get an idea changing place? And some knows that but do not talk about it, because they need to do something?

    1. Re:Leaving the base by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and maybe the people that have figured out how bad ISIS is would try to leave to go to another country.

      I wonder when they'll start trying to leave?

  96. ^^Moron Alert^^ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You've got to be kidding me! By that logic, Germany's invasion of Poland was nobody's business, and France and England should've stayed out of it. In actual fact, the opposite of your logic is true. Fucktards like you that push for isolationism just end up making things worse. As soon as some dick head like Saddam starts messing around, the entire UN should respond with bombs and bullets until that dick head is dead. Make sure it's known that aggressive behaviors like Saddam's invasion of Kuwait result in death, no exceptions. But when you ignore these small wars by tiny countries, you end up with disasters like Syria is right now.

    1. Re: ^^Moron Alert^^ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you type all that out again but this time use the words dickhead and fucktard some more.

  97. Re:Well, at least they're hard to retaliate agains by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Depends how thorough you are.

    If you don't believe me, ask a Tazzie Abbo.

    --
    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  98. Russian Putin supporter by Ilarih · · Score: 1

    Well, rather those ordinary people in Russia do not really care, like most people with good life do not care. And Russian TV send propaganda. If do not really care, you will believe and support Putin.

  99. Cat's out of the bag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mainly so you don't accidentally kill the neighbor of the insane extremist

    The cat's WAY out of the bag on that one. Did you know that the US government actually has a numerical limit (greater than zero) up to which the killing of innocents is entirely acceptable?

  100. Re: If you really want to know who is responsible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly like that, except for it actually applies to the English language.

    Dictionaries don't define words, they simply enumerate what words are used and the most popular spelling(s) of the words.

    Dumbass.

  101. Re:If you really want to know who is responsible . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "nigge"

  102. Too late Anon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You had your chance to take down ISIL, but you were wasting time on knuckle dragger (KKK) who had been legislated into obscurity via anti-vilification laws.

  103. Re:Well, at least they're hard to retaliate agains by hawk · · Score: 1

    Far more useful on hacking those computers would be to change intelligence or orders, such that they attack fortified and prepared positions, or . . .

    hawk

  104. Re:Well, at least they're hard to retaliate agains by hawk · · Score: 1

    >interfere with their social media recruiting,

    Say, by revealing that 30% of the time, that the wives, sisters, and mothers of ISIS recruits are raped while gone? That their sons are frequently subject to homosexual rape and captured to raise swine? And that ISIS leadership is hiding this from the world?

    hawk

  105. Re: If you really want to know who is responsible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "dumbass"

    Learn English, dumbarse.

  106. Re:Well, at least they're hard to retaliate agains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *yawn*

  107. Re:Dumbass alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Perhaps they're not so much supporting ISIS as refusing to support another dipshit who thinks, just like ISIS, that *their* way is the best way.

  108. Re:Well, at least they're hard to retaliate agains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, why not. Then they are propably already doing some sort of business together. That's how world seems to work.

  109. Only way to destroy ISIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is to disintegrate their main funding source: Saudi Arabia.
    So Anonymous should be targeting them, as well as publish everything about those that do business with them and help keep their royals in power.