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Windows 10 Fall Update Uninstalls Desktop Software Without Informing Users (ghacks.net)
ourlovecanlastforeve sends this report from Martin Brinkmann of gHacks: Microsoft's Windows 10 operating system may uninstall programs — desktop programs that is — from the computer after installation of the big Fall update that the company released earlier this month. I noticed the issue on one PC that I upgraded to Windows 10 Version 1511 but not on other machines. The affected PC had Speccy, a hardware information program, installed and Windows 10 notified me after the upgrade that the software had been removed from the system because of incompatibilities. There was no indication beforehand that something like this would happen, and what made this rather puzzling was the fact that a newly downloaded copy of Speccy would install and run fine on the upgraded system.
An IT Director I know had this happen with ESET antivirus as well, on multiple computers. He says fixes have been rolled out for both TH2 and the antivirus software to prevent this from happening. Other reports mention CPU-Z, AMD's Catalyst Control Center, and CPUID as software that's being automatically uninstalled.
So, I guess Windows 7 will be the last Windows OS that I use. Hopefully by the time new games stop supporting it, Linux will have the support of new games.
Oh wait, there are no release notes except marketing talk. Believe or not, they don't publish release notes anymore. When a company CEO talks about what a "serious" company they are, show them this story.
Anyone know when Microsoft will release a new version of Windows to replace Windows 7?
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To be fair, and I'll play the devil advocate for once, not all Windows users are slashdotters. Yes, you, /. reader, belong to the cream of the cream of the IT knowledgeable people on Earth. For the remaining 99%, Windows is just a tool to run some games, play movies, open IE and watch porn, and to occasionally feed some accounting basic Excel spreadsheets. So MS takes over, sometimes, and decides for you what's good, what's bad. And acts accordingly. And maybe this is better for most users. Of course, however how deep you'd have to dig it, there must be an option - intended for the advanced user - to switch off any of those intrusive features.
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
The problem is that it's not the IT managers that decides what to use these days, it's top level management.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
Windows 10 is an unfolding disaster in slow motion. I make a living writing code that is used mostly on Windows and I had a bad feeling since the first Technical Preview. Decided to hold off the upgrade until the end of the free upgrade period hoping that the problems will be hammered out and the control will be (at least for most part) returned to the user. But instead it started bad and goes downhill from there.
Before you get your knickers in a bunch: this is most likely just a bug, not intentional. Microsoft pulled 1511 temporarily because it thinks it's doing a fresh install of Windows 10 or upgrade from a previous Windows - version instead of just being an update to an already-installed Windows 10 and ends up resetting some settings because of that, and Windows 10, when doing an upgrade from 7/8/8.1, does remove applications it thinks may be incompatible and/or interfere with the upgrade.
There are a lot of users who might be best of with the company knowing best... but ceding control of one's PC is not a good thing.
Folks, we are starting to lose the war on the desktop. Consoles are already lost, phones and tablets are becoming less modifiable, and with the push for "security" on IoT devices, this usually means security against the owner, not an intruder.
If we lose the desktop, we are fucked, pure and simple. Look how recently PC makers and MS have been pushing boundaries:
1: The Superfish type of items. In this day and age of anything and everything being used as a potential means of intel gathering, any type of "functionality" along these lines should be treated as malicious criminal activity, or at best, gross negligence. This should never have passed any QA department.
2: W10 removing software. I understand the purpose of the Windows MSRT... but there is a boundary between obvious malware and Speccy.
3: Telemetry data. Before this year, telemetry was not even used much in this context. In the past, people would be writing their senators about such privacy invasions (think the "scandal" ages ago, where Prodigy set aside temp files without clearing them, and people found their deleted stuff in them.) Unless something is done now, this trespass will continue to the point where a Windows machine is basically an endpoint belonging to advertisers, intel gatherers, and potentially malware authors.
Want to know how to get the desktop back? It is going to be pretty tough at this rate, but we can still run older operating systems, or operating systems which don't really care about telemetry data. Virtualization also helps.
Because EULA
Edgy, bro. Don't forget your Fedora on your way out.
As far as I can tell, Windows 10 is the Microsoft play to become Google or Facebook on your desktop. In effect, you choose to run their code and in exchange they spy on you and sell all the info they get to the highest bidder. Microsoft clearly saw that investors are seeing bigger gains from non-manufacturing companies that just spy on uses and sell the info, and they've decided that as the OS itself they can do it better than anybody else.
Once you choose to run an OS that owns you, vacuums-up your every keystroke, mouse action, and utterance within microphone range and that routinely phones-home and auto-installs/auto-removes software, the auto-disabling of various applications is just another bullet-point on the features list. You are now the submissive; Microsoft is your dominant. If you wanted to complain, you should have done so before clicking on the "Accept" button of the EULA. Microsoft does not place a "safe word" in that EULA does it? Enjoy the ride to the software version of the Folsom St parade!
The only reason I (still) use W10 is games (more than 300, in Steam only). I have every second of using it. ... ever.
As soon as there are enough high budgets games running on Linux, I'll finally get rid of it for a systemd-free linux (Manjaro-openrc comes to mind).
I've good hopes that SteamOS will lead us outside of the Windows era.
Microsoft was right : Windows 10 is the last Windows version
Irrelevant news and morons using moderation to mod down what they disagree on. 2018 resolution: so long.
Microsoft could just ask. Most users would probably say "ya, delete it, that Catalyst Control Center sounds scary".
It's much worse than you think. Not only did it uninstall every piece of Windows software you had, it deleted itself!
And they should.
You bought an MSI or ASUS or whatever brand graphics card with an AMD-branded Radeon chip... which of these words hint at "Catalyst"?
I know it sounds less "k3wl", but what's wrong with naming it "AMD graphics driver".
Marketeers should keep their dirty mittens off anything that affects actual users.
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To be more fair, if a non-tech-savy relative suddenly lose an app overnight, he's gonna call me to fix it.
Kinda what I, and others, did. I'm still in Windows 7 because "it was there", but I already struggle to keep it "user experience enhancement" free from Windows Update. When someone asks me for help on a W10 system, I give it a quick glance, and if it can't be fixed in two mouseclicks (most of the time it can... some people just don't get computers) I just say "I don't know anything about W10."
I slowly started to install some Ubuntu (for ease of use) on my parents' computers, and that fits most of the requirements they have: internet, flash games, video, music.
Only "niches" left for Windows are some games and stubborn business. But as time pass, the game requirement become less and less relevant, and the business thing usually work in either a VM or a pro computer dedicated to this.
Hello,
The problem with the Windows 10 Build 10586 (aka v1511, TH2) installer detecting versions of ESET's software that are compatible with Windows 10 as not being compatible has been fixed by Microsoft. Simply allow the installer to connect to the Internet for the latest updates and it will download an update that allows is to recognize all compatible versions of ESET's software.
Customers who were on the latest builds of ESET's software (v9.0.318 for consumer, v6.2.2033 for enterprise) were never affected by this, but customers who had older--but still Windows 10 compatible--builds did have there versions flagged when Build 10586 of Windows 10 was installed.
For more information, see the following E SET knowledgebase article: http://support.eset.com/kb3733...
Regards,
Aryeh Goretsky
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Microsoft told the world they would be doing this. They clearly stated that win10 would remove software they considered harmful or illegal. The outrage came from PC gamers for months. It was very vociferous, mainly due to the fear of losing their pirated games; or Microsoft deciding they were pirated versions regardless of whether they were or not.
The fact you feel the need to defend a global corporation having the power to remove what it wants at will from devices all over the planet, says more about your feeble compliant mindset. The reality is someone hiding behind a monitor thousands of miles away can say "don't like that, delete it en-masse," or automated it. Which is even scarier.
With a bit of luck, you'll lose some of your applications, settings and associated data from this bullshit. How we'll all laugh. Microsoft know best, though!
I just don't understand how one goes about becoming this cool.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
For me it didn't uninstall anything, it however screwed many settings in registry, e.g. keyboard layout and user specific settings. It seems like it "upgrades" by installing the ISO on background when restarting the computer once it's downloaded it.
I don't think Windows 10 in general is stable yet, for instance Start menu stops working sometimes, "Modern" apps stopped working (Calculator, Photo viewer etc.), Edge browser window does not appear anymore and Windows Update Settings does not open.
I get some of the features back if I create new Windows account, but not everything. It looks like I have to do clean install sometime in near future, what a wonderful upgrade.
LOL, you must be new here.
Slashdot is a up into the 4 million or so accounts created range, some subset of which are smart and knowledgeable.
Another significant subset are a bunch of poo-flinging monkeys screeching at one another.
You really really can't generalize about the makeup of Slashdot.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
How dare you question the infinite wisdom of Microsoft!
New CEO, new Windows VP, and yet we're still treated like children who should not be allowed to make decisions on our own. They're not going to ask if we want the applications removed or not, because we're apparently not able to make such a complicated judgement call.
Yeah, but for each application they remove you'll get a coupon for 10% off the corresponding Metro app in the Windows Store!
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Same has been said by many a people about Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1. Truth is at the end of the day when MS have a small or any screwup the open-source crowd are so divided among themselves that they can never seize the opportunity.
The last Windows I used was Windows 2000. They crossed the line with me with forced registration and remote disabling "features".
Why anyone would use a OS that has this for anything mission-critical, is totally beyond me.
In my book Windows is a Toy, an elaborate gaming bios, and the only reason to use it is if you're into frontline hardcore PC gaming or need to use a professional application that only runs on Windows - such as Solid Works for engineers or something like that.
I've been riding Mac OS X since 2004 - for professional Flash development back then - and x86 Linux since 1999. Nowadays there is absolutely nothing aside of perhaps some neat Photoshop plugins that Linux and FOSS can't offer that I need for my professional work (Dev, Software Architect and Consultant). I expect that to improve even more with Gimp 3.0. I've got no incentive to replace my broken Mac Mini now - albeit HW & SW integration with Apple is still top-of-the-line.
However, I *do* still use a MS product: The last iteration of the XBox 360. The system mature to the marrow and has dirt cheap top gametitles out of the bargain bin. Just added Diablo 3 to my collection for 20 euros last saturday. Neat.
Conculsion:
I hope Windows, the abysmally shitty Outlook Groupware, Exchange, MS Office and all those ancient crappy MS monsters die in a fire and/or gets squished by Google and Chrome OS like a bug. They would deserve it.
Google has users by a leash too, but at least I get all their stuff and services for free and have an interest in keeping them running and synced across devices no matter what.
Which is why I recommend Chrome OS over Windows whenever a n00b asks me for advice.
My 2 cents.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
I have big concerns with Windows 10 so have not updated to it yet. Those are primarily around the forced mandatory updates. We've all seen drivers and software stop working when you install a new version of Windows. With Windows 10 you are in effect installing a new version of Windows every time it updates. So you no longer have any certainty that the devices and software you require will keep on working. Now it seems Microsoft will automatically remove anything it thinks is incompatible without even offering the choice. Nice. If I was the 3rd party software vendor I'd pretty miffed. I think it is only a matter of time before Microsoft is taking to court for this. It is not their job to decide what software someone can or cannot run on their own PC.
For the remaining 99%, Windows is just a tool to run some games, play movies, open IE and watch porn, and to occasionally feed some accounting basic Excel spreadsheets.
My wife, who aside from the porn bit, and she spends some time on facebook, is exactly what you describe.
She's non-technical as well. And despite what you write, she hates Windows a lot. Evver since I installed Mint on her touchscreen laptop, she's converted to Linux.
Because it's one metric shitload easier to use.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
It doesn't 'uninstall' programs so much as it reinstalls Windows, then attempts to re-setup previously installed programs. Sometimes it's successful, too many times it's not, making it look like it uninstalled something that in fact it just wasn't able to set back up. Even if it's 100% successful though, it leaves you with the guilty-child-sounding message, "All your files are exactly where you left them", which is funny in and of itself.
I was actually thinking of iPhone / iPad when I made this comment, but good point that Apple also does still sell Macs. That being said, the rest of your comment proves my point. We aren't living in a locked down world. We are in a world where you can either have complete control or you can use locked devices. I don't see anything wrong with having a choice.
You can backup your settings, update the offending software, plenty of things...
Unlock the car. Install a fix on the engine. Change the steering ratio. Remove the radio.
Lock up and leave.
You wouldn't mind that would you?
>>The affected PC had Speccy, a hardware information program, installed and Windows 10 notified me after the upgrade that the
>> software had been removed from the system because of incompatibilities.