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How Bad of a World Are We Really Living In Right Now?

New submitter Y.A.A.P. writes: Slate has a surprisingly relevant article of the state of the world today. A reasonable number of graphs and statistical comparisons show that our world is more peaceful than it has been for a long time. The article tells us that, despite what most news outlets (and political candidates) tell us, The World Is Not Falling Apart. Well, not from violence, at least.

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  1. It just seems bad because of the news cycle. by davester666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The news started with
    "these are the 5 worst things that happened in our city"
    then it became
    "these are the 5 worst things that happened in our state"
    then
    "these are the 5 worst things that happened in our country"
    and now it's
    "these are the 5 worst things that happened on the planet"

    And every day, somewhere, something really bad happened.

    And people have trouble determining how likely that event is going to happen to them anytime soon [normally, a lottery ticket is more likely to hit].

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    1. Re:It just seems bad because of the news cycle. by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And every day, somewhere, something really bad happened.

      And people have trouble determining how likely that event is going to happen to them anytime soon [normally, a lottery ticket is more likely to hit].

      Yes, or evaluating the chances of dying a plane crash vs. a car. (Driving your car is a LOT more dangerous.) Or the probability of a terrorist event. Etc.

      People are really bad about evaluating probability, and our fears are shaped by whatever the news media can dig up about the scariest things going on.

      I agree with a lot of TFA, though what's missing is the LONG-term perspective. There's a lot of graphs from the late 20th-century on showing how things (particularly violence) are trending downward, but I still remember the first time I saw a graph of the estimated murder rate over the past few centuries. Hint -- it has basically dropped pretty precipitously since the days of medieval Europe.

      Granted, the numbers are more speculative, but I think most people just have no freakin' clue how dangerous and terrible life was in the past. Everybody wants to pretend to be the "lord and lady" at the Renaissance fair, but the reality for most common folk was that you struggled to grow enough food to survive the winter. Every year. You were lucky if even half of your children survived to adulthood.

      And in those sorts of life-and-death situations, life was -- frankly -- "cheaper" than today. You could get a finger or hand cut off in a random bar fight or a street brawl. If you committing anything resembling a crime, the authorities would likely do it for you. If you tried to leave town, you were very likely to be robbed, stripped, raped, or killed by random "highwaymen."

      The trend toward improvement has continued through most of the 20th century and into our current one. Trust me -- you do NOT want to live in a poor urban center of the early 1900s compared to one today. A lot of violence is down compared to a generation or two ago, and it's certainly a heck of a lot better than it was several generations ago. Yes, kids used to roam the street without care late at night or whatever "back in the day," but they were much, much more likely to abducted or suffer a violent attack or whatever back then than they are today. The "golden age" which people are nostalgic for never existed.

      What has changed is that we are more fearful of certain things, NOT that such things (in most cases) have actually gotten worse.

    2. Re:It just seems bad because of the news cycle. by rmdingler · · Score: 2
      The news has more slots to fill than ever, having evolved from a noon, five, and eleven broadcast to several stations with differing agendas filling 24-hour slots of their own.

      Availability heuristic works in advertising too, but if you hear a thing in the news enough times, it brings it to bear sooner and with exceptional relevance in your brain's personal selection process.

      And as everyone knows, scandalous gossip just sells better than than the other brand.

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    3. Re:It just seems bad because of the news cycle. by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't blame the news cycle. Do we really needs news headlines like: "People all over the world go about regular business, all goes fine"?

      No, we don't need articles like that, which would be pointless.

      What we do need (and what I think TFA is arguing for) is perspective. Whether you're talking about overall violent crime rate, child abductions, campus rape, whatever -- the general trend over the past couple decades has been DOWN.

      Yes, there are still terrible things happening. And we should work to try to make things better. But there's a difference between focusing on the bad things to make the world better and just being an irrational pessimist with no perspective of history.

      I say this as someone who used to be an irrational pessimist. I was the sort of person back in my early 20s who thought, "I can't imagine ever having children -- I mean, who would bring a child into a world that's so terrible?"

      I look back at that perspective and realize that my viewpoint was shaped by the news. It was shaped by the continuous clamor of politicians trying to make things sound worse and worse because it was to their advantage in making a case that they were the answer to improvement.

      There's more and easier access to information now, and more important stuff is being reported, and that's a good thing. Keep the bad news coming.

      Agreed. But maybe -- just maybe -- it might be good to have the news in perspective once in a while. Not "People go about their daily business, and all's fine," but at least an acknowledgement of "Terrible thing X is happening. We still need to improve a lot, but let's just note things have been moving in the right direction on issue X for the past 30 years" or whatever.

    4. Re:It just seems bad because of the news cycle. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      I can't imagine Galactic evening news, with several planets getting hit by massive asteroids daily. 9/11 stuff and nuclear wars won't even make the cut.

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    5. Re:It just seems bad because of the news cycle. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The reply that you'll get is one based on zero-tolerance: "even one [murder, rape, war, etc] is too much" and "never, never again." That things are getting better is irrelevant if you can push the emotional buttons for the counter-argument: "with our technology and our historical perspective, we should be advanced enough to ensure that [X] never happens again."

      It's words like "never" and "ensure" and "guarantee" that keep progress from gaining acceptance: until we meet unreasonable expectations [which we never will meet] based on sentiment rather than reason, we must continue to give up our liberties, our wealth, our convenience, our whatever in order to maintain our nation's struggle to ensure that [insert injustice] never happens again. To do less would be unworthy of our exceptional nation and of us as human beings.

    6. Re:It just seems bad because of the news cycle. by retroworks · · Score: 2

      The Hans Rosling TED Talks (The Best Stats You've Ever Seen) usually start with a quiz that shows the audience to believe far worse about the planet and mankind than reality. The most inaccurage scores on questions like girls education, deaths from violence, people with electricity, etc. came as I recall from journalists, who still use the term "third world". http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_... "if it bleeds, it leads"

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    7. Re:It just seems bad because of the news cycle. by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Resident of Sweden here, who's already addressed this issue in another discussion.

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    8. Re:It just seems bad because of the news cycle. by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      The news started with
      "these are the 5 worst things that happened in our city"
      then it became
      "these are the 5 worst things that happened in our state"
      then
      "these are the 5 worst things that happened in our country"
      and now it's
      "these are the 5 worst things that happened on the planet"

      And every day, somewhere, something really bad happened.

      And people have trouble determining how likely that event is going to happen to them anytime soon [normally, a lottery ticket is more likely to hit].

      In another few centuries, those supernovae in the Andromeda Galaxy will be front page news!

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    9. Re:It just seems bad because of the news cycle. by strikethree · · Score: 1

      I was the sort of person back in my early 20s who thought, "I can't imagine ever having children -- I mean, who would bring a child into a world that's so terrible?"

      I feel guilty for bringing children into this world dominated by NSA spying, government corruption and conspiracy, and pollution of the climate. My children are looking at a terrible terrible future of enslavement while a select few end up partying and being irresponsible on my children's work.

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  2. Where's the premise? by Jack9 · · Score: 1

    What does "bad" mean?

    I figure "now" ostensibly means the 21st century.

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    1. Re:Where's the premise? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      I figure "now" ostensibly means the 21st century.

      And I figure "now" means 2015. Since we won't know much about how things are in 2075 for another 60 years....

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    2. Re:Where's the premise? by Skewray · · Score: 2

      I figure "now" ostensibly means the 21st century.

      And I figure "now" means 2015. Since we won't know much about how things are in 2075 for another 60 years....

      Now is 2014. TFA is almost a year old.

  3. Things are looking up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The truth is we are living during the safest, most prosperous times in human history.
    The media gives us a (false) perception that the world is collapsing under war, civil unrest and terrorism. The reality is that now, more than ever before, people are more likely to die form old age than from a violent death.
    Crime is down worldwide. So is hunger, war, rape and genocide.
    The world is far from perfect and the Syrian crisis is very real and should not be minimized. But as tragic as things are in the Middle East, what is happening there is the exception, not the rule.

    1. Re:Things are looking up by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      One major difference is that we now have the power to have a human-initiated ELE.

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    2. Re:Things are looking up by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2

      Things were great in early 1914 too.

      * We've lost privacy.
      * We've lost 12 minutes per hour of our entertainment to advertising.
      * The quality of fruits and vegetables are down for most people.
      * There's a growing set of food intolerance diseases- most likely due to issues with the food.
      * If we have another widespread war- it's going to be fast and horrific compared earlier wars.
      * If we have another financial panic get thru- it's going to be worse than the great depression.
      * If a terrorist group gets hold of increasingly cheap bioweapons, it could end human civilization.
      * If automation proceeds as expected- our current economic system breaks down as over half the population loses the ability to trade their time and labor for products.

      A lot of plates are spinning. We might pull it off. Or things could fall apart astonishingly fast.

      We could have had a war break out with Russia just last week via Turkey. And we would have been pulled into it by treaties- just as happened in world war one.

      Generally- I agree we are doing better- but things are much more "brittle" than they used to be. We've reduced redundancy and if things go badly over a large area, it will impact ability to get food and power to a lot more people.

      So... as the guy falling past the 6th floor window said.... "So far so good!"

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    3. Re:Things are looking up by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      In 1940, there was no entertainment as you imagine.

      So radio, films, plays, books, and concerts didn't exist?

      Professional music performances were rare to non-existent outside a dozen world class cities.

      What?

      There was no Radio,

      Huh?

      no TV,

      LOLwhut? (Mmmmmmmmmm Godwin mmmmmmmmmm...)

      On a personal note, my grandfather proposed to my grandmother during intermission at the movies about a year before the Berlin Olympiad, in 1935. And they lived in a little coal-mining town in Kentucky you probably never heard of, that had a population of about 3000 people. Definitely not a "world-class city".

      few dance opportunities,

      Huh?

      books were expensive and rare, etc.

      Poppycock, etc.

      I have difficulty believing anyone could be so completely ignorant of history. But apparently you are.

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    4. Re:Things are looking up by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Your eat better than the gratis Caesar.

      Is this supposed to be code for something?

    5. Re:Things are looking up by swillden · · Score: 1

      In 1914, there was no entertainment as you imagine.

      So radio, films, plays, books, and concerts didn't exist?

      Note the correction of the year. 1940 was obviously a typo, the discussion was about 1914.

      Radio was demonstrated but not used commercially in 1914. No, films didn't exist. Plays and concerts did, but high-quality productions were pretty much limited to major cities. Books, yes.

      books were expensive and rare, etc.

      Poppycock, etc.

      I have difficulty believing anyone could be so completely ignorant of history. But apparently you are.

      Compared to today, yes, books were expensive and rare. Most everything was dramatically more expensive than it is today, in terms of what a person with the median income could afford, and that included books. In 1914 most homes had a small number of books, far fewer than today. But the typical person also had far less leisure time.

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    6. Re:Things are looking up by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      The point of "early" 1914 was that by "mid" 1914 we had a horrific world war going on with massacres, huge numbers of death, and not long after that a worldwide plague that killed tens of millions of people.

      Things are fine now... in "late" 2015. By "late" 2016, things could go all to hell and we could have billions dead. Things are 'so far so good".

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      On the food intolerance--
      http://www.kitchenstewardship....
      400% increase.

      We process food differently- we sneak gluten into everything (mostly to save a few cents). People who get diarhea, who bleed, who lose villie, and who die from this must be the most incredible hypochodriacs ever. I have one friend who's entire skin (inside and out) peels when she gets exposed to the low levels in grain based vodka.

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      It gets cheaper all the time to work with diseases. A well designed disease which had a high infection rate but a slower mortality period would spread widely before it started killing people.

      Low probably but catastrophic results.
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      The automation thing is different. Over half the population literally won't be able to work as well as a machine. Lots of luddites died homeless of exposure (and were killed when they turned violent when they lost hope of fair treatment). Picture that on a much larger scale. As in over 50% of the world's population being unable to trade labor for food and shelter.

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      On the fruit and vegetable thing... we have artificial estrogens causing young girls to start their periods at 9 and meanwhile male fertility has dropped by 95% in the last 100 years almost entirely due to environmental toxins. Likewise, many of the fruits would be unrecognizable as they are mostly cellulose to make it easier to ship them and to extend their shelf life. "real" fruits and vegetables are prohibitively expensive for most. Many people survive on a diet of empty calories since they can't afford the real stuff.

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      A financial panic is going to have a larger impact because the amount of world resources impacted will be larger. The number of people affected will be an order of magnitude greater. Recovering will take much longer than previously. It's 'good until if fails and then it's really bad". Things are much more brittle than they used to be. It's cheaper until you get a crisis and then you have no food on the shelves for a week (and no gasoline to leave the area) and no option to obtain food.

      We really are sort of riding the chaotic wave these days. It is better in many ways- but it's much more brittle than it used to be. Redundancy has been removed from the system. It's like appliances. My A/C is 32 years old. A capacitor went out two years ago. The repairman said, "This is 20 years old. The new one I put in, will not last over 5 years. Also, if you get a new A/C unit, it won't last over 10 years. Probably 7."

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  4. "Film at eleven" by kheldan · · Score: 1

    Objectively (or at least as objectively as I can be), no, it's not as bad as the media can make it out to be -- because warm-and-fuzzy news doesn't make for great ratings, death, destruction, violence, disaster, and all things extreme make for great ratings. Speaking of extremes, that's what we're seeing right now: extremes in both directions. One might also opine that some of the extremes on the violent/horrifying/terror end of the scale are being artificially inflated by the perpetrators of said actions (and you know who I'm talking about, so no need to name names that are named way too much these days) by way of propaganda -- not that we can or should completely ignore them, though; we can't afford that luxury. But perception counts, and the perception that I get (and I think I'm not alone in this) is that it's like an inverted Bell curve right now: there are really good things happening at the same time that there are some really extremely horrifying things happening. Historically speaking,and to provide some perspective, it's not the first or last time in Human history that things will be this way, either. Tends to be cyclic.

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  5. Re:Yeah, but that just means... by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, it just means that as education prevails, people are less prone to fall for insane cults. The people who disagree tend to be fundamentalists, communists, and Luddites.

  6. Coincidentally by Pollux · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just finished watching the movie Tomorrowland yesterday. It was a bit of a let-down ... good acting, but the story made the movie weaker than it should have been.

    But, hidden within it was this very insightful gem:

    "In every moment, there is the possibility of a better future. But you people won't believe it. And because you won't believe it, you won't do what is necessary to make it a reality. So you dwell on this all-terrible future and resign yourselves to it for one reason: Because that future doesn't ask anything of you today." -- David Nix / Hugh Laurie

    We like being pessimists when it comes to our future. When we imagine a brighter future, then we are responsible for doing what is necessary to create it. But when we imagine a bleaker future, there's nothing we have to do to make it a reality. We can just live as hedonists until our passing.

    1. Re:Coincidentally by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      What a load of jizz.

      History is full of people who tried to make the world a better place - and succeeded.

      And for every famous one there's a thousand others making tiny pushes in the right direction.

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    2. Re:Coincidentally by prefec2 · · Score: 1

      We know exactly what we have to do for a better future. True it is not a complete set of steps which leads from the now to a better future, but we know at least a dozen of things to do to allow a better future to emerge. First, we have to get rid of carbon emissions. We could do that must faster if we would really care, but we do not and we obviously do not care about our kids and grand kids. Second, we need to transform our production industry in a cyclic economy. We also know how to start going there. However, it would require change from industry. And they do not want that. Third, we need get all the wast out of the seas. We even have good plans how we could achieve this, but we are not even considering to start. We also know how we could reduce and stop transporting plastics to the seas. For example, reduce the use of plastic bags, stop using shower gels and other stuff with plastic micro particles in them. Fourth, we need to retune our trade agreements to protect farming world wide. As present trade agreements result in a reduction of farming in developing countries. Five, we need to manage sea food/fishing world wide to stop overfishing. We know that we can do it. However, it is much easier to not do anything about it. Six, we know what causes terror, and how such structure emerge. We also know why young people in Western countries fall for such radicalism. Most of it could be mitigated by two things: (a) youth and social work, and (b) not chances for young people but perspective for life. You ask what is the difference? Well, every lotto player has the same chance of winning, but there is only one winner of the jackpot. With lotto that is acceptable, but for lives of people it is not. All people need a good life. They need to be accepted and they need to be relevant.

      So all in all you get the picture, we know what to do, we just don't do it.

  7. Re:Why, You! by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1, Funny

    As a communist luddite, I find your comment offensive. May the full might of social justice warriors(SJW) reign down upon you.

    Slashdot is supposed to be a safe place. Savage!

    You forgot the fundamental
    I'm a communist luddite, you insensitive clod!
    Slashdot is supposed to be a place of tradition, which reminds me...
    Preemptive Moo!

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  8. Re:Yeah, but that just means... by x0ra · · Score: 1

    Of course, this is all newspeak. It's not fundamentalism when we're talking about western value...

  9. Re:It depends where you live in the world by x0ra · · Score: 1

    Peaceful means that Slate's editors can get their moka latte every morning at Starbucks without problem. All the supply chain is secured.

  10. Home by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Your perception of how good or bad the world is probably depends most on what's going on inside your home and inside your head.

    Despite bad things that happen (which is nothing new, of course) the world is definitely on the good side of the bell curve. Positively above average. Maybe it's the proximity to Thanksgiving, with my family around me and everybody healthy and the Bears beating the Packers, but I feel pretty good about the world now. I can feel pain from all the bad things in the world, have those things diminish me as they do everyone, and still feel like the world is a pretty good place.

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    1. Re:Home by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      That is why articles like this, fed by economic studies, are so important to counteracting how you feel as a reflection of the news.

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    2. Re:Home by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      economic studies

      That actually made me snort-laugh.

      You might as well have said "parapsychology studies".

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  11. Percentages vs raw numbers by gurps_npc · · Score: 1, Interesting
    While percentages are down, it's not always the case for raw numbers. Some of them are. Not just for violence, but also for diseases, poverty, etc.

    Clearly we are getting better at stuff, but for certain things, raw numbers are more important than percentages.

    Suppose there was a just a single serial killer out there that killed one person every year for the past 25 years. Population doubles every 23 years or so. So it looks like he has cut his death rate in half, when it has actually stayed the same.

    Ignore the politicians that talk about how bad things are. That is a straight out lie. But are things really getting better or are we simply adding more people that don't have the same problems that the oldsters had? That's a different story.

    Personally, I think we are actually doing better. But it's not as cut and dried as the story seems to think it is.

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    1. Re:Percentages vs raw numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you have a single serial killer and your population doubles you are doing better, because statistically society should have produced a second serial killer. Each person's odds of being killed by a serial killer have dropped by 50%. I'm not sure in what way you think that's a bad thing.

    2. Re:Percentages vs raw numbers by fermion · · Score: 2

      In things like disease, things are getting better, as a percentage and absolute numbers. Polio has dropped from hundred of thousands to hundreds of cases in 20 years. Of course cancer and diabetes in the US is up, and HIV did not exist 50 years ago, but many ailments that cursed our civilization for known history have become much less virulent. I would also say percentages do matter. The black death eliminated half the population of major cities, but the total number of probable dead was only half the population of the current US. Likewise the mortality rate at birth in the US is not that bad in absolute numbers, but as a percentage the US is below the level of developing country. The serial killer example is very aprospro. It is information, and the inability to scale and rationalize that information, that drives out perception of a dangerous world. If someone were to ride a horse from town to town, and kill a person secretly, no one would like know that such a thing were happening. Most would just think that an accident got them, and no one. This may be one reason why the term serial killer did not appear until the 20th century. The point is it would be hard to compare the murder rate of the 21st century, to anything 100 years ago when we had no idea who simply disappeared and who was murdered. I would say that the fact that we actively count and respond to murders is an indication that the world is a better place.

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    3. Re:Percentages vs raw numbers by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Suppose there was a just a single serial killer out there that killed one person every year for the past 25 years. Population doubles every 23 years or so. So it looks like he has cut his death rate in half, when it has actually stayed the same.

      I'm not sure I understand your point here. In your hypothetical situation where the world only has one serial killer murdering people, suppose there are 1000 people at the beginning. The serial killer is killing 1 person each year, so I have a 0.1% of being murdered this year. There is also 0.1% of the population (the serial killer) which is going around killing other people.

      In 25 years, if the population is 2000, now my chances of being murdered by this guy are 0.05%, and only 0.05% of our population is composed of murderous wackos.

      How is that NOT an improvement in overall safety of society? Granted, this particular guy hasn't improved in terms of his murderous tendencies, and it's a tragedy that people are still being killed.

      But if your goal is to measure the collective safety of a society, wouldn't you rather live in a place where the murder rate was 1 in 2000 vs. 1 in 1000?

      I agree that there are times when it's helpful to talk about raw numbers and other times when percentages are better. But isn't "whether the world is a violent place?" one situation where you'd be more interested in percentages, since those reflect the overall tendency of human interactions? Violence is not just the result of one serial killer -- it's often a collective societal thing.

      Or, to put it another way, if the population was decreasing steadily (instead of increasing), would you still be telling us we need to look at "raw numbers" instead of percentages? If we had a society of 1 million with 10,000 murders per year (1% -- probably good numbers for medieval society), and the next year due to plague we had a society of 100,000 but still with 10,000 murders per year (10%), wouldn't you be concerned about the increase rather than the fact that the raw number is the same?? ("Oh, I know 1 in 10 of you will be killed by random violence this year, but keep in mind -- our raw numbers are still at pre-plague levels! You're still as safe as houses!")

  12. Re:It depends where you live in the world by StevenMaurer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, right now "this world is more peaceful" it depends where you live: Go to south america like Venezuela, Brasil, Colombia, Salvador, Mexico see the world there or go to Middle East, specially Siria and around there and see there. Go to africa and visit some countries there and see too. It isn't a "World Peaceful" there too.

    This is true when compared to the first world, but untrue compared to the way things were even a couple hundred years ago. Dozens of people killed in rioting is not the same thing as one tribe systematically conquering another tribe, killing all the men, adult women, and boys, and taking the girls as sex slaves -- the sort of practice you can read all about (and apparently God approves of, according to ancient Israelite priests) in the Bible (Torah).

  13. Re:Why, You! by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Informative

    May the full might of social justice warriors(SJW) reign down upon you.

    Rain. May the full might of the grammar nazis rain down upon you....

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  14. Re:Yeah, but that just means... by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

    Then replace "education" with "empirical education" in my previous post.

  15. Re:Yeah, but that just means... by ganjadude · · Score: 1

    whats funny is this is coming from slate, who cant seem to go more than 20 minutes without posting something saying the sky is falling

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  16. Re:Yeah, but that just means... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    I'm sure you mean "education" as the indoctrination of peoples with beliefs that you yourself support of course.

    Just basic literacy will help a lot. Most conflicts in the world involve illiterate soldiers on one or both sides. Modern war is very expensive, and very destructive. War almost never makes economic sense. Most countries have market economies, so if your neighbor has resources that you want, you don't need to take it by force, you can just buy it.

  17. Re:Why, You! by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1, Troll

    No, I think the SJWs would prefer to reign over everyone...

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  18. Is the news cycle the only explanation? by swb · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Or are there other interpretations that explain why it *seems* bad?

    Enduring and worsening (I don't know about the worsening part) income inequality, with automation and globalization likely to make income inequality even worse, and automation predicated by many to lead to widespread under/unemployment?

    The environment getting much worse -- mass deforestation, global warming, declining fresh water supplies, much of it abetted by ever-spiraling population growth?

    While it's true we don't actually worry about a US/Soviet nuclear exchange every day, the number of states with nuclear weapons has increased and the newer states that have them or are working on having them are less stable or have chaotic or messianic motivations.

    The nature of some of our conflicts seems more intractable due to the lack of state actors involved and in some cases leaving states that are marginally viable or stateless altogether (Libya, parts of subsaharan Africa, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria).

    It seems too simple to just dismiss a sense of pessamism as human nature and media styles.

    1. Re:Is the news cycle the only explanation? by ZecretZquirrel · · Score: 1

      Truth is, we're just a bigger bunch of pussies than ever before. Less able to cope with adversity, easily offended and frightened by the real world. Looking at the way children are still being raised, this is only going to get worse in the decades ahead.

    2. Re:Is the news cycle the only explanation? by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      The environment getting much worse -- mass deforestation, global warming, declining fresh water supplies, much of it abetted by ever-spiraling population growth?

      The environment is getting better. You should have seen how bad the air pollution was in the 70s, for example. Rivers have been cleaned up and come back to life since then.

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    3. Re:Is the news cycle the only explanation? by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      "The environment getting much worse -- mass deforestation, global warming, declining fresh water supplies, much of it abetted by ever-spiraling population growth?"

      You believe everything the enviro-doomers say, do you? Snap out of it, you're scaring the children.

  19. Re:Yeah, but that just means... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    War almost never makes economic sense.

    It rarely makes overall economic sense. But if you're Halliburton or Blackwater ...

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  20. Re:Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence by khallow · · Score: 1

    If you consider that our interpersonal relationships have been on a serious decline since the industrial revolution, the divorce rate is the highest it has ever been, children resort to violence first and diplomacy only when trying to talk themselves out of punishment, I would say we are not, in fact, in a very peaceful time at all.

    There's always some bullshit reason out there why things are getting worse. But since we're talking about the children, I've heard that they've been getting worse since ancient times. Pretty soon, they'll be backtalking and uppity. That's certainly just as bad as killing 70 million people in a world war.

  21. Weak arguments by prefec2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many charts cover only 30 years which is not really a long period in human history. Therefore, the deductions made on that charts are weak or only valid for that short time period. Beside this overall impression, I want to point out in detail the argument about democracy. There are more democracies now than in 1945 or even in 1988. However, this only looks on the name these states give themselves on paper. Many democracies suffer today from lobbying, like the US, the UK, and Germany, which has a negative impact on participation and limits real democratic processes. Furthermore, most Western democracies have an imbalance in media communication, with the all time low of FoxNews.

    And it is even worse when you look at the democracies in east Europe. Especially at Hungary, where the prime minister Orban changed the constitution to limit the power of the supreme court. He also favours a illiberal democracy, which is a democracy with no minority rights. That results at the end in no democracy at all. He is also racist beyond comprehension. And Poland just elected a very very very right wing party and president. The latter already stated that judges which are critical of his doings will face disciplinary actions. So there goes the separation of powers.

    Or you could look at Greece. It does not matter which government they elect, the EU commission, the ECB, and the IMF define what happens in Greece. And it looks similar for Portugal, Spain, and Italy.

    Therefore, democracy is presently in the West not in a good shape. And I do not know if they counted Russia as democratic country. And the situation in India is also not that positive. So I conclude that their assessment on democracy is not correct at all.

    1. Re:Weak arguments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I know this will sound like a shill for the author, but I coincidentally just finished reading Stephen Pinker's book "The Better Angels of our Nature". It has all of the longer term statistics you claim the article is missing. A warning, though. It's a very long book.

    2. Re:Weak arguments by Pascal+Sartoretti · · Score: 2

      Therefore, democracy is presently in the West not in a good shape.

      Compared to 1970, democracy is in very good shape. Of the countries which you mentioned, two were under a communist dictatorship (Hungary and Poland) and three under a military regime (Greece, Spain, Portugal).

      It depends on the timeframe you use for the comparison. As much as I am saddened by what happened in the recent elections in Poland, Hungary or Turkey, I think that these are only bumps, and that these countries present little risks of going back to a real dictatorship.

    3. Re:Weak arguments by prefec2 · · Score: 1

      I hope you are right. However, I fear that these are not just bumps. But we will see how it will look like in 20 years.

  22. Re:Why, You! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The SJWs are the reason that things are getting better, actually. Did you think the rise of concern over social justice and the decrease of violence in the world at large were just coincidental?

    But please, keep being angry as you watch the world slip away from your kind.

  23. Date of TFA: 2014 by Meneth · · Score: 1

    Didya check the date on that article? Dec. 22, 2014.

  24. Re:Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What you seem to be missing is that War is a macro-aggressive, acute failure of society. Microaggression is a stealthy, sinister, chronic failure of society that is far more widespread and far more damaging to the long-term health of humanity than is an acute War that has a beginning and an end.

    7 Billion people being nasty to each other is far worse than killing 70 million people in a War.

  25. If you're American by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Insightful

    it seems a lot worse. Not just because of our news cycle either. Our economy crashed in 2008. It recovered, but virtually all of those gains were gobbled up by the investor class. Education has skyrocketed in cost (again, our investment class, who noticed that there was tons of money to be made on loans and lobbied hard to cut federal subsidies) and food prices are way, way up (there's that investment class again, with deregulation in our commodities market allowing them to skim 10-20% off our food supply).

    Contrast that with the 70s, 80s and 90s where apart from an oil scare and a dip when manufacturing moved overseas things were mostly on the up and up.

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    1. Re:If you're American by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does the phrase "Great Depression" mean anything to you? That one took WW2 to work its way out of the economy.

      Interestingly, WW2 brought us the GI Bill and the notion that pretty much anyone could go to college. Before that, it was the upper class and the very best of the commoners.

      As to "food prices are way up", there are about as many indications that "real" (adjusted for inflation) food prices are down as up. Just depends on what you're buying...

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    2. Re:If you're American by JWW · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because that communism shit is so awesome that it killed millions without even needing world wars.

    3. Re:If you're American by khallow · · Score: 2

      unbridled capitalism

      Here's the problem. There's no such thing in the world today as unbridled capitalism except in black markets and a few MMOs like Eve Online.

    4. Re:If you're American by andygrace · · Score: 1

      Actually I'd disagree with you in one sense - the US economy seems a lot better than it really is. Yes, the economy crashed in 2008 but the recovery you mention is a mirage, built on more debt, the exact same problem that caused the 2008 crash in the first place. Indeed thanks to QE we now are massively overcommitted and rely on near 0% rates to afford to service the debt. We're obviously not growing out of it despite how hard central banks try to inflate the debt away - in fact it's having the exact opposite effect from that predicted by standard models.

      Indeed, the investor class have successfully redirected a portion of the unprecedented expansion in base money into their own accounts, but the majority of citizens have made little to no improvement in their lives over the past seven years. Indeed many have gone backwards. Headline economic statistics like the unemployment rate look good on the surface, but dig deeper and you see a participation rate at 40+ year lows, strong growth in over 55s minimum wage jobs (probably to fund their retirements as the return on 'safe' fixed investments in now nothing), yet no growth and outright contraction in employment for the most important demographics such as 25-54.

    5. Re:If you're American by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Contrast that with the 70s, 80s and 90s where apart from an oil scare and a dip when manufacturing moved overseas things were mostly on the up and up.

      You've got some serious selection bias going on. 70's - massive racial unrest over injustice, much worse than today, 80's drugs and gang related crime - much worse than it is today, 90's - just the beginning of the downward trend of the bad things that we're seeing even less of now. Since the 80's the average percentage of the household budget spent on food has gone from 17% to 11%. In the 50's it was 30% and in 1900 it was 45%.

  26. By Definition by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    All societies are by definition living in the "best of all times".
    It is just that the definitions change to fit the times.

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  27. Re:Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence by khallow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What you seem to be missing is that War is a macro-aggressive, acute failure of society. Microaggression is a stealthy, sinister, chronic failure of society that is far more widespread and far more damaging to the long-term health of humanity than is an acute War that has a beginning and an end.

    What you seem to be missing is that macroaggression is a real thing which kills people. Microaggression is in your head.

  28. Re:Why, You! by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Funny

    no... just no... .superman no here

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  29. Calm before the storm, or before world peace by ITRambo · · Score: 1

    The world is a safer place for most people compared to decades ago. I hope that it lasts. History tells us that it never does. We may be experiencing a "peace bubble" that is about to burst as the IS moves out to raise hell among others that don't accept their views as the only valid world view. Too much has happened in the world recently to not be concerned that at any time a single event could trigger a widening war that comes closer and into to the Western world. Pray for peace people, but watch your back at the same time.

  30. We have given megaphones to by bennebw · · Score: 1

    any highly irrational person who wants to shout something out to the world. To be heard, you now have to shout louder and 10x more irrationally than everyone else. Rational discourse died with the words "Hello, world".

    1. Re:We have given megaphones to by ultranova · · Score: 1

      To be heard, you now have to shout louder and 10x more irrationally than everyone else.

      Is the current issue so important that you have to win, even at the cost of making the world a less rational place? No? Then don't shout. Instead, calmly explain your viewpoint. That way you advance the cause of solving disputes through rational discourse rather than shouting the loudest, which should result in the world becoming a better place overall since being rational helps us make decisions that get us what we want and avoid things we don't.

      You can't win a war if you obsess over individual battles.

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    2. Re:We have given megaphones to by bennebw · · Score: 1

      Couldn't agree more. Now if you can convince our politicians and their constituents of your wise words, we'll be getting somewhere. If you can do this calmly, then, Ultranova for President!

  31. Re:Pretty bad given the quality of the / summaries by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    When did people start sticking an "of" into this construction? It should be "How bad a world...?"

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  32. ...and in other news by Texmaize · · Score: 1

    So, a liberal biased media source analyzed the effects of the recent dominance of liberal ideology on the world and found it to be hunky dory. In turn, a liberal biased forum site agrees. It is important to ignore the numerous stories posted on this site to the contrary.

    In other new, a European media source decided that football/soccer was the best sport....

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  33. Re:what the hell... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    If you'd actually read the fine article, you might have noticed that the author provides a breakdown of various types of conflicts, mass killings, genocides, and so on.

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  34. Re:Why, You! by sycodon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Do you mean those SJWs that want to repeal the First Amendment?

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  35. Hans Rosling is clearer... by matbury · · Score: 1

    Famed statistician, Hans Rosling, has been telling the world or anyone who'll listen for years that the world is getting safer, less violent, and more prosperous. He also says that in populations where they're getting better education, access to healthcare, and especially women's reproductive healthcare, birth-rates are going down (higher infant-mortality and personal insecurity correlate with higher fertility rates). The only bad news here is for the tiny minority of people in organisations and businesses that thrive on fear, uncertainty, conflict, and violence, e.g. the military, police, security services, and the media. They're facing existential threats because of all this peace and happiness breaking out all over the place. How do you suppose they're countering these existential threats?

  36. Re:Yeah, but that just means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No, it just means that as education prevails, people are less prone to fall for insane cults.

    The anti-vaccination craze? Fad ketosis dieting? Near-worship of media figures like the Kardashians? Climate change skepticism? I'd go on but that's already more than enough to refute your statement.

    The people who disagree tend to be fundamentalists, communists, and Luddites.

    Cheap name calling. If this is the best your education can muster, it has obviously failed you.

    (Although, it did get you modded highly. Another refutation of your original thesis.)

  37. Re:Yeah, but that just means... by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

    The anti-vaccination craze?

    This is mainly a cultish behavior.

    Fad ketosis dieting?

    Epilepsy treatment is considered a fad?

    Near-worship of media figures like the Kardashians?

    Hipsters also behave somewhat cultish. See how the Apple logo triggers brain reactions similar to somebody hearing a religious sermon, for example.

    Climate change skepticism?

    There can never be too much skepticism. Whether you are for or against, science just doesn't work without skepticism, especially during peer review.

    I'd go on but that's already more than enough to refute your statement.

    No you didn't. You basically sounded like that news broadcast in V for Vendetta where that guy says "Immigrants, Muslims, homosexuals, terrorists. Disease-ridden degenerates." as if that somehow makes you know why the world sucks unless it has your political enlightenment. It doesn't, and we don't. It would have made even more sense if you would have just argued that most of the world still believes in some kind of god that decides whether you'll stub your toe tomorrow morning or not.

  38. The difference is by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    life leading up to the great depression was pretty much ass for everyone but a lucky few. When things went pear-shaped in the 2000s we had a lot more people who had something to lose.

    If you're on Min-Wage or low wage (which, judging by American Median Income at least half are) prices are nuts. When Min wage was $4/hr I could buy a dozen eggs for $0.80 cents, less if they were on sale. These days the same eggs are $3.20 off sale and $2.60 on. Chicken is the same way. Beef was a bit cheap for a while, but only because they were slaughtering dairy cows to bring milk prices back up after a new technique for selecting sex in mammals led to an over abundance of milk.

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  39. From the Last Year's Breaking News Today dept... by monkeyzoo · · Score: 1

    I like Steven Pinker, and I liked this article when I read it. But it's from December 2014! Not exactly newsfeed worthy anymore, Slashdot.

  40. Re:Probably by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 1

    The poorest in America are demonstrably better off today than their grandparents ever were.

    That depends how you define "the poorest in America". If you mean, "the poorest 50%", then sure, I'd totally believe they're better off than their grandparents. But if you truly mean, "the very poorest people in America," that's doubtful. The rate of homelessness is much higher today than 50 years ago, largely due to the closing of mental hospitals in the 60s and 70s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The huge growth in income inequality over that time hasn't helped either.

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  41. Re:Why, You! by ailnlv · · Score: 2

    I'm a communist luddite, you insensitive clod!

    I'm an insensitive clod, you communist luddite!

  42. Mass killings in Venezuela by esaulgd7195 · · Score: 1

    The past 10 years have seen the violent death of over 100,000 Venezuelans, on par with Iraq and Syria, at the hands of "revolutionary defense squads" armed by Chávez and Maduro. It's sad to see this report fall for the regime's ploy of denominating these deaths as "caused by random crime" instead of the politically-motivated, population-control mechanism it is. Hopefully it will take less than a few decades to set straight the record.

  43. Re:Why, You! by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    As a communist luddite, I find your comment offensive. May the full might of social justice warriors(SJW) reign down upon you.

    As a liberty loving conservative I believe I should have the freedom to silence you communist luddites because highly regarded principles should only work in our favor.

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  44. Re:Yeah, but that just means... by Kjella · · Score: 2

    Just basic literacy will help a lot. Most conflicts in the world involve illiterate soldiers on one or both sides. Modern war is very expensive, and very destructive. War almost never makes economic sense. Most countries have market economies, so if your neighbor has resources that you want, you don't need to take it by force, you can just buy it.

    Bad for you, worse for the other guy. Don't underestimate how much the stronger player can abuse their position until they go one step too far.

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  45. Re:Why, You! by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The SJWs are the reason that things are getting better, actually. Did you think the rise of concern over social justice and the decrease of violence in the world at large were just coincidental?

    I don't really think so. Of course, this depends on how you define an SJW, but it seems to me that the most ardent social justice supporters tend to themselves become bullies, and when they do they're worse bullies than the classic schoolyard bully. Take for example mass shaming over a single tweet, or getting people fired just because they made a mildly sexist joke. And unlike a typical bully, there's nothing you can do about it. The SJW doesn't care though, just so long as they feel better about themselves for having done it.

    There is already somewhat of a precedent that public shaming runs afoul of the 8th amendment. In fact, here's a quote from Benjamin Rush, who was one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence:

    “Ignominy is universally acknowledged to be a worse punishment than death ... It would seem strange that ignominy should ever have been adopted as a milder punishment than death, did we not know that the human mind seldom arrives at truth upon any subject till it has first reached the extremity of error.”

  46. The past in misunderstood by a+whoabot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The past is often misunderstood.

    A major reason for this is selection bias. The perspectives that generally survive from the past, are the perspectives of the elites. Impoverished people could not afford to create stories, literature, artifacts which represented their points of view.

    So, it is not surprising if one's intuitions about the past, when past on the surviving material, give a very biased view: It can create the impression that people lived relatively well, when really it was just the elites' lives that you're imagining.

  47. Education can never replace intelligence by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

    ... it just means that as education prevails, people are less prone to fall for insane cults ...

    Too many people are confusing 'Education' with 'Intelligence'

    ***Education can never replace Intelligence***

    There are so many cases where highly educated people - even Engineers / Surgeons - have joined cults

    Many of the 'volunteers' for the Islamic State are highly educated people - no, they are not the ones you see in those gruesome videos, but they joined Islamic State and work as administrators / accountants / planners and keep the bureaucracy running

    Another example: The cult of Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh back in the 1970's, where they set up a commune in Oregon, USA, attracted a lot of very highly educated folks

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    People who are highly educated are not necessarily smart - they may be bookworms and they may even graduate with honor degrees with flying colors, but that does not, in any way, heighten the level of their intelligence at all

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    1. Re:Education can never replace intelligence by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Stupidity should be a lot more painful than it is.

  48. Re:Things are pretty good by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    You do realise that, 20 years ago, Bill Clinton was in the White House, right?

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  49. Plain stupid reasoning by lorinc · · Score: 1

    Because things were worse 50 years ago than they are today, it means that they will be just incredibly good in 50 years? Yeah, like we had rain yesterday and today is just a bit cloudy so tomorrow will surely be sunny.

    Everybody agrees present days are probably the best humanity ever had. How how close to the apex is it? How will it be in 50 years from now? What's you argument to say it will be better?

    1. Re:Plain stupid reasoning by owlstead · · Score: 1

      We're moving into a situation where the climate changes will force people from coastal areas, both poor and rich alike. We're still polluting and depleting the Earth at an alarming rate. Furthermore, the income gap between the rich and poor is widening. There seems to very little control, and where it does exist it's often more evil than where it doesn't exist. Besides all that we're still living in between nukes and nuclear power plants and those *are* going to blowup once in a while, if history has thought us anything. All these facts will lead almost certainly to renewed war and social instability.

      Sure it feels cozy living at the current time (I say when 30% in NL, one of the richest countries in the world, has problems balancing their checkbooks). But I don't assume that's universal, and I surely don't think it will last.

      One of the more likely scenarios for never having had any contact with a alien civilization is that they blew themselves up just a few thousand years after the first big scientific breakthroughs. One of the issues with globalization is that extinction will be global as well.

      Then again, I'm going to ponder this over further behind a freshly made capucino.

    2. Re:Plain stupid reasoning by lorinc · · Score: 1

      You know what, I was having exactly the same thought regarding the Fermi paradox. Why don't we see alien civilization? Because we expect them to be massively large scale, and they probably aren't.

      If we look at ourselves and our future. The human race might probably survive for a long time, but probably not in its current population levels. If we want some growth in our standard of living, that means more energy consumed individually, which we can't achieve at a global level. That's the gap you are talking about. So probably the great great grandson of the richest of today will be spacefaring, while the great great grandson of today's poor (well, today's 90% of the population) will probably just don't exist or at a civilization level that's invisible from far away.

  50. Re:Probably by swb · · Score: 1

    Income inequality in the USA has increased since 1970 but is far below historically normal levels. The poorest in America are demonstrably better off today than their grandparents ever were. This is true based on housing, sanitation, health care, education, life expectancy, nutrition, entertainment, transportation, clothing, and safety from crime, natural disaster, or accident.

    Kind of a mixed bag, isn't it? Historically worse income inequality suggests that whatever present gains we have made are likely to slide back to more historical norms. Given the likely trends in automation globally and trends toward outsourcing to low income nations (which may be an aggregate benefit for global growth, but in the short term tends to undermine gains in developed economies), income inequality is likely to get worse.

    And there is some scholarship (http://persquaremile.com/2011/12/16/income-inequality-in-the-roman-empire/) that suggests inequality is as bad as it's ever been -- it's estimated that even ancient Rome had a better GINI coefficient than modern day America.

    I've heard economists make similar arguments about *qualitative* improvements that measurements of relative inequality don't represent. Much of material life even for poor people is better than it was 100 years ago -- housing, clothing, food, transportation, are all better made and more durable than they were. Foods that were expensive luxury items even when I was little in the 1970s are commonplace and inexpensive, and compared to 100 years ago it's like a dream -- fresh fruits and vegetables available year round, meat safe, cheap and abundant, including items exotic and unobtainable in many places, like fresh seafood.

  51. Re:Yeah, but that just means... by khallow · · Score: 1

    No, it just means that as education prevails, people are less prone to fall for insane cults.

    The anti-vaccination craze? Fad ketosis dieting? Near-worship of media figures like the Kardashians? Climate change skepticism? I'd go on but that's already more than enough to refute your statement.

    You would only be correct, if cults had a smaller membership in the past. I'll note that we've had over the past thirty years a sharp drop in both the membership and severity of communism.That directly improves the lives of about a billion and a half people living today.

  52. Article is almost 1 year old by tippen · · Score: 1

    The Slate article is interesting, but it is also almost a year old. Do the editors check anything before accepting submissions?

  53. Re:Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

    I don't think that the divorce rate is a good indicator for worsening relationships. I think it is more of a consequence of improvement in the standards of living and women empowerment.
    Before that, couples stayed together because they had to. To oversimplify, women needed men to make a living and men needed women to take care of the housework and kids. Now, both men an women can make a living by themselves, housework is less time consuming and there are more options for single parents to take care of kids. So when things go wrong, couples simply break up instead of continuing a bad relationship.
    Kid rebellion has always been, that's a normal part of getting to adulthood. But at least now, we avoid hitting them in response.

    Things are changing, that's for sure but I think that on average interpersonal relationships have improved too.

  54. Re:Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1

    I wish I had mod points so I could give you a '+1 KO' mod!

  55. Re: Why, You! by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are you referring to the *innovation* known as the US Constitution?

    There are certainly any number of things wrong with the US--but having a founding document that clearly spells out rights and freedoms for its citizenry is not among them.

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  56. Re:Yeah, but that just means... by ultranova · · Score: 2

    Climate change skepticism?

    There can never be too much skepticism.

    As evidence piles up there comes a point when you're simply using "scepticism" as an excuse to refuse to believe a conclusion you don't like. For climate change, that point went a long time ago. What ever reasons drive climate change "sceptics", they have nothing to do with science.

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  57. Re:Why, You! by ultranova · · Score: 1

    As a communist luddite, I find your comment offensive.

    But comrade, through technology we can achieve a true hive-mind.

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  58. Re:It's just the calm before the storm by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    The current "refugee crisis" isn't didlley-squat compared to what happened in Europe and the USSR in the 1940s, when tens of millions were relocated to match the new international boundaries. (Or in China and Korea after the Japanese colonies there were disestablished.)

    For starters, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  59. Re:Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence by swillden · · Score: 1

    What you seem to be missing is that War is a macro-aggressive, acute failure of society. Microaggression is a stealthy, sinister, chronic failure of society that is far more widespread and far more damaging to the long-term health of humanity than is an acute War that has a beginning and an end.

    Others have addressed the first major flaw in this argument, which is that killing people is worse than being mean to them.

    But there's another flaw, which is your apparent belief that microaggression is something new. It is definitely not. People have always been nasty to each other, and we're significantly less nasty to each other today than ever before. The notion of microaggression is perhaps the best proof: previous generations didn't even bother thinking about microaggression, because it was just normal. Today, we recognize this subtle form of personal attack and work to expose it and thereby reduce it.

    You should read the first few chapters of Steven Pinker's "The Better Angels of Our Nature", in which he documents historical evidence of the ways in which people were nasty to each other. He focuses mostly on physical nastiness, violence, but lots of other sorts of nastiness are covered in passing, or obviously implied. Society is much, much better than it used to be. Empathy for strangers is normal today. It wasn't always.

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  60. And I bet everything seemed hunky-dory in Rome.... by dfenstrate · · Score: 1

    ...before it was sacked. Some folks see weakness and irresolution growing in the western world. They see barbarians like ISIS rising up to fill the vacuum left by the west's loss of confidence- and they see dark ages coming again. If nothing is done, the new dark age may be 50 years out, or they may be 20 years out. (And certainly dark times have arrived for real in parts of the middle east.)

    Civilizations rise because they have insights, standards and practices that are superior to those around them. Those civilizations fall when they take their position for granted, and think those standards and practices are 'mean' or 'outmoded.'

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  61. Re:Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence by pipingguy · · Score: 1

    Yeah, the AC moron you replied to just wants to invert reality to suit it's political goals. It's done all the time, and "news" continually falls for it because it's dramatic.

  62. Re:Yeah, but that just means... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    The form of his statement makes it clear that he's saying it doesn't make sense for the sides that are fighting. You point vaguely at stuff that contains various truths, but they're not relevant to his point, don't change it any way, and you didn't even attempt to actually add anything.

    Are you suggesting that external profiteering means that educated soldiers would NOT want to end a conflict once they understand that it harms their own side, and has no chance to make life better for their families? Or are you just repeating an off-topic cliche in any random position?

  63. Re:Yeah, but that just means... by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

    I may not believe in all the Christianity/God stuff but "believing themselves to be wise they became fools" comes to mind when you Climate zealots hop on your hobby horses.

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  64. their "world" ignores the environment by spage · · Score: 1

    These clowns manage to opine about the state of the world without mentioning "environment", " climate ", or " species ". It's nice that war and violence are down, but ignoring the fact that overpopulation, habitat destruction, and climate change have brought our home planet to the sixth great extinction event is unforgivable. The world IS falling apart, you deliberately clueless assholes.

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  65. Re:And I bet everything seemed hunky-dory in Rome. by dfenstrate · · Score: 1

    Oh, good, so maybe we have a few extra years before before the west falls to barbarians.

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  66. Re:Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence by khallow · · Score: 1

    It's also a matter of intent. Intentionally, being a dick is macroaggression. Accidentally being a dick is a microaggression. But this leads to an important secondary matter, that of interpretation. After all, if I'm trying to be a dick, then by my own viewpoint I am macroaggressing. If I'm not trying, then how does anyone know I'm microaggressing? The answer is that someone observes my behavior and decides it is a microaggression.

    That leads to the second observation, that microagression is a matter of perception and subjectivity, often by people with chips on their thin-skinned shoulders. It can be an obvious insult, like assuming someone is a drooling idiot because they're a certain ethnicity. But it can also be something pretentious like someone deciding that the word, "niggardly" is an insult against African Americans even though the word doesn't have racist origins (unlike say, "indian summer"). The attitude is particularly pernicious when the person who perceives the insult is acting as an unauthorized proxy acting on the behalf of an apathetic or completely absent group.

    All I can say is that I didn't care before microaggression became a thing and the situation hasn't changed now that I've been made aware of this dire threat to humanity. I think it has to do with the fundamental observation that people can choose not to be insulted by non-insults. Thus, anyone who has a serious problem with microaggressions needs to look in a mirror to see who is responsible for fixing that.

  67. Re:Yeah, but that just means... by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 2

    The anti-vaccination craze? Fad ketosis dieting? Near-worship of media figures like the Kardashians? Climate change skepticism? I'd go on but that's already more than enough to refute your statement.

    "Less" means "not as many as before"; it doesn't mean "none". Also, as long as reality continues to defy the Warmist Cult doomerism, skepticism is the most rational choice. There are three factors lining up right now that could make the climate cool down markedly in the next 5-10 years. If that happens, it will be very entertaining to watch the Warmists explain how the $trillions they bilked from the not-skeptical-enough public was well spent.

  68. Show us the numbers by KeensMustard · · Score: 1
    I broke with tradition and RTFA.

    The author makes some statements about declining violence and says: The only sound way to appraise the state of the world is to count. How many violent acts has the world seen compared with the number of opportunities? And is that number going up or down? As Bill Clinton likes to say, “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines.” We will see that the trend lines are more encouraging than a news junkie would guess.

    But then - no numbers.

    It has some details about declining rates of violence in the US, UK and Mexico. But are those numbers indicative of a worldwide trend? Does every country resemble either the US, or the UK, or Mexico?

    The article also says that Worldwide, about five to 10 times as many people die in police-blotter homicides as die in wars. And in most of the world, the rate of homicide has been sinking.

    The first is a statistic, not a correlation - there is no reason to think that escalating domestic violence will lead to war, or vice versa. The second statement And in most of the world, the rate of homicide has been sinking. is not evidenced by any numbers. It could be true.

  69. Re:Yeah, but that just means... by ultranova · · Score: 1

    I may not believe in all the Christianity/God stuff but "believing themselves to be wise they became fools" comes to mind when you Climate zealots hop on your hobby horses.

    So what conclusion am I supposed to draw from your best counter-argument being an unrelated religious quote you don't even believe?

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  70. Re:Why, You! by Immerman · · Score: 1

    Well, that's the reduction of the surge of violence associated with the introduction of leaded gasoline, but that only lasted a few decades. Meanwhile the falling of violence is a trend that extends far further back in history than that. For example, in the 20th century your chances of dying by violence was less than at any previous time in human history (or prehistory, as determined by weapon-inflicted skeletal damage). And that includes the tens of millions of people that died in WWI and WWII.

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  71. Re: Why, You! by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    The Magna Carta was an agreement between a king and a group of nobles, guaranteeing the rights of the latter. Not the same thing at all. But thanks for playing.

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  72. Re:Why, You! by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

    You're trying to defend a pejorative by using an absurd caricature as a straw man stand-in for people who actually support justice. It is pretty weak sauce. I mean, think how awesome and powerful Justice must be that you have to pretend it doesn't exist in order to argue against people who support it?

    Justice and Social Justice aren't the same thing. One is intended to right a wrong, the other is intended to make everybody the same. While that might sound good, it often results in knocking people down just for the crime of being successful. When taken to an extreme, (such as an SJW) it results in the examples I listed, and instead of bringing down successful people, they come down harshly upon anybody who happens to make an ill conceived but otherwise benign action.

    You even throw in a True Scotsman for good measure

    Not at all. I very clearly outlined what it is, in my own opinion. To pull a "No True Scottsman" fallacy you have to create a definition that can never truly be met.

    Do you even comprehend that you're fighting for perceived social justice in your argument? What is an "SJW?" People who do as you do here, and make a case for social justice. You can't be against bullies, and admit you are, and not be a social justice warrior.

    No, that falls under justice; that is, righting a wrong.

  73. Re:Why, You! by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

    people who actually support justice.

    That's fuckin rich right there. Oh, wait, you actually believe that? Let me laugh even harder at your stupidity.

  74. Re:Why, You! by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    people who actually support justice.

    That's fuckin rich right there. Oh, wait, you actually believe that? Let me laugh even harder at your stupidity.

    I'd be curious what the counter-argument actually is... if I thought there was one.

    We have direct democracy where I'm from, and we have however much Justice we want. Sometimes more, sometimes less. And the people fighting for Justice are invariably the "good guys." If you disagreed about the meaning of Justice, you'd still have to agree that Justice is good. Is there a counter-argument? Is it any good?

  75. Re:Why, You! by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

    I'll put it this way, maybe you will understand what I am getting at. We don't call them Social Justice Warriors because they actually fight for justice. We call them that to point out the irony that they are hiding behind the cloak of justice in order to directly benefit themselves at the expense of others. Those "micro aggressions" we keep hearing about are complete bullshit. They are nothing more than a tool for an attention seeking whore to satisfy their enormous urge to be both pitied and feel superior to others at the same time, and in many cases the main purpose is to harm others who disagree with their point of view.
    We are not talking about people who are actually discriminated against, we are talking about people who are professional victims who not only do not care about the people who's lives they destroy, but they take a sick and twisted delight in ruining those peoples' lives.

  76. Re:Why, You! by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    Right, you describe it as a false pejorative that you use pervasively. I say that proves you don't care about Justice. And I advise you that Justice is a positive thing, not a negative thing. The meaning of the word has only changed for you. For others, Justice means what it means; "justice" doesn't mean "false justice."

    Can you truly not see how that harms people who are "actually discriminated against," or how it demeans people who are fighting for Justice for people who are "actually discriminated against?"

  77. Re:Why, You! by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

    I didn't expect your mind to be open enough to catch a glimpse of reality, but I am always hopeful that some day you will open your eyes and quit supporting those who are working tirelessly to destroy anything resembling justice.