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MST3K Kickstarter Poised To Break Kickstarter Record (kickstarter.com)

New submitter the_Bionic_lemming writes: Recently Joel Hodgson, the creator of Mystery Science 3000 -- which had a successful run of over 197 shows -- has after 15 years launched a kickstarter to relaunch the series. In just over two weeks Joel has been wildly successful in not only having over 25000 fans contribute, but actually scoring the second-highest show kickstarter on record — he has just under two weeks to shoot past the Number 1 kickstarter, Veronica Mars.

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  1. Will they break the other record? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being the first Kickstarter to deliver a product instead of wasting all the money?

    1. Re:Will they break the other record? by aliquis · · Score: 2

      Being the first Kickstarter to deliver a product instead of wasting all the money?

      Lots of board-games has been released and used Kickstarter.

    2. Re:Will they break the other record? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Did you simply ignore the Kickstarter that currently holds the number 1 spot, the Veronica Mars movie which not only was delivered but made money!

    3. Re:Will they break the other record? by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      Did you simply ignore the Kickstarter that currently holds the number 1 spot, the Veronica Mars movie which not only was delivered but made money!

      Can it have been as bad as the show? I had to hear a bunch of it from the next room and it was some of the most vapid, insipid, soul-destroying shit I've ever heard. A cross between the kiddie channel and the lifetime channel. It sounds just like pop culture blended with rape.

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    4. Re:Will they break the other record? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 0, Troll

      And your opinion is the only one that counts, right? I don't see anyone tying you down and forcing you to watch or listen to it, so why are you bothering to complain about it?

    5. Re:Will they break the other record? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      don't see anyone tying you down and forcing you to watch or listen to it, so why are you bothering to complain about it?

      Because it makes the world a dumber place.

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    6. Re:Will they break the other record? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Your opinion? Well, thats something I can agree with...

    7. Re:Will they break the other record? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being the first Kickstarter to deliver a product instead of wasting all the money?

      Lots of board-games has been released and used Kickstarter.

      As have quite a few video game sequels that otherwise wouldn't have gotten made. I also have a graphic novel that was reprinted after a successful kickstarter campaign.

    8. Re:Will they break the other record? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has there been a single video game that was Kickstarted that didn't get reviewed terribly, though?

      All this "early access" and "Kickstarter" crap and the only "early access" game I know that people don't hate is Minecraft. Every other one has been terrible.

      Probably because Kickstarter is 100% the wrong venue for things like shows and video games. Kickstarter should just ban them and be done with it.

      The idea behind Kickstarter is that you have a finished product that you can't quite sell because you can't afford to make a large enough production run to sell. Things like the Pebble watch. If Kickstarter cared about their users at all, they'd require all Kickstarters to have a finished and functional prototype. The idea behind Kickstarter is to "kickstart" the production process - that's why it's "kickstarter" and that's why it works on a "preorder" concept and that's why you have to hit the goal to get any money. The idea is that all you need is enough orders to be able to afford a production run.

      It's why board games are wildly successful under Kickstarter and why movies and video games are routinely a complete disaster: they just don't fit the Kickstarter model and shouldn't be there.

    9. Re:Will they break the other record? by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Thumbs up! (no mod points this week)

    10. Re:Will they break the other record? by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 1

      Has there been a single video game that was Kickstarted that didn't get reviewed terribly, though?

      Maybe not, but I think in some cases that might be more a problem with the backers than with the project, especially if we're specifically talking about the sequels to classic and beloved games of the 80's and 90's. Some of those seem to be pretty faithful to the spirit of the original game. If fans of the original still hate them, maybe it's because what they somehow thought they were paying for was not another video game but, rather, being young again. Which, of course, Kickstarter can't help with.

    11. Re:Will they break the other record? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has there been a single video game that was Kickstarted that didn't get reviewed terribly, though?

      Divinity: Original Sin (http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/divinity-original-sin-enhanced-edition)
      Pillars of Eternity (http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/pillars-of-eternity)
      Shadowrun Returns, Shadowrun Dragonfall (http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/shadowrun-dragonfall)

    12. Re: Will they break the other record? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shovel Knight.

    13. Re:Will they break the other record? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idea behind Kickstarter is that you have a finished product that you can't quite sell because you can't afford to make a large enough production run to sell.

      Says you. Seriously, that's just your opinion, and I dare say in my own arrogant opinion, that is NOT what most people believe.
      The idea most people have about kickstarter, is to help support the creation of something you want to have exist, that will never have a chance to exist if the makers can't get some capital up front. It could be 100% done and just needs money for production, or it could be 0% done and need money to get off square one, or it could be anything in between.

      I have backed three software kickstarters: 2 delivered what they promised and the 3rd is on the way to doing so. All behind schedule, but if I needed an iron-clad guarantee that the products were going to deliver on time I wouldn't have backed them in the first place.

    14. Re:Will they break the other record? by Kidbro · · Score: 2

      Has there been a single video game that was Kickstarted that didn't get reviewed terribly, though?

      What the fuck are you even talking about?

    15. Re:Will they break the other record? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Has there been a single video game that was Kickstarted that didn't get reviewed terribly, though?

      Divinity: Original Sin?
      In the future: Divinity: Original Sin 2?

    16. Re:Will they break the other record? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You conveniently skipped the whole "let's fuck over our backers" part of that particular KS.
      http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/veronica-mars-kickstarter-backers-receive-688835

    17. Re:Will they break the other record? by Creepy · · Score: 1

      Yep - both video games I helped Kickstart released. One had to split into episodic content to get out on time and the other was late (not too bad - a couple of months), but they both got released.

    18. Re:Will they break the other record? by Creepy · · Score: 1

      > Has there been a single video game that was Kickstarted that didn't get reviewed terribly, though?

      You mean like Divinity: Original Sin I and II, Wasteland 2, Shadowrun Returns and Shadowrun Hong Kong, FTL: Faster Than Light, Pillars of Eternity (from Project Eternity), Republique, Jotun, Sunless Sea, Double Fine Adventure and Dreamfall Chapters (both episodic and unfinished, but favorable reviews so far), Elite: Dangerous, and Mercenary Kings?

      Maybe you're one of those people that think only shooters are real games (and my brother-in-law is one of those) - in that case, I haven't heard of any. RPGs and adventure games by the boatload though, with a few action games thrown in.

  2. Not even close. by Lumpy · · Score: 0

    Exploding kittens, a card game raised more than $8,000,000 so unless they more than triple their current backers in 11 days they dont have a chance.

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    1. Re:Not even close. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "second-highest _show_ kickstarter on record"

    2. Re:Not even close. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "second-highest _show_ kickstarter on record"

      So it's like the hyperqualified sports "records" we hear:

      "And that's the most goals in a fortnight scored under a waxing gibbous moon on Thursdays from the left side of the pitch outside of 20 meters! One!!! Wow!!!"

    3. Re:Not even close. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      show kickstarter, not kickstarter full stop

    4. Re:Not even close. by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exploding kittens, a card game raised more than $8,000,000 so unless they more than triple their current backers in 11 days they dont have a chance.

      Exploding Kittens made eight million dollars? Wow. That game is like War without the strategic depth. People basically paid 8 million dollars for the words "Exploding" and "Kittens" and about sixteen doodles of cats.

      If that's all it takes, I too have an idea for a card game Kickstarter. So, the formula seems to be that something bad ("exploding") has to happen to something that most people like ("kittens"). Hmm, okay... how about... um.... Steadily Declining... uh... Grandmas?

      Wait, wait! I know it sounds depressing, but you haven't seen the pictures yet! They're really... well, actually, they're pretty bleak too. Hey, this is harder than it sounds.

    5. Re:Not even close. by thewolfkin · · Score: 2

      From the summary

      but actually scoring the second-highest show kickstarter on record

      SHOW kickstarter. It's the 2nd highest show kickstarter. Second to Veronica Mars at the moment

      .

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    6. Re:Not even close. by thewolfkin · · Score: 1

      I'm always desperately confused by Exploding Kittens. Everything I saw in the kickstarter was that it wasn't a fun game. Then when they finally released gameplay videos. I was still lost as to why I would want it. And yet it kept making more and more. But that's a fairly accurate description. "War without the strategic depth". I'm gonna steal that.

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    7. Re:Not even close. by VisceralLogic · · Score: 1

      I'm always desperately confused by Exploding Kittens. Everything I saw in the kickstarter was that it wasn't a fun game. Then when they finally released gameplay videos. I was still lost as to why I would want it. And yet it kept making more and more. But that's a fairly accurate description. "War without the strategic depth". I'm gonna steal that.

      It reminds me a lot of UNO, but even simpler. There's not much strategy or learning curve, so it's good for playing a quick game with people who are new to it.

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  3. Garrote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could make a cool garrote with one of those threads. Totally invisible

  4. Bringing stuff back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I never understand the obsession with bringing things back. Your memories of the past are rose tinted and rehashes rarely live up to them.

    1. Re:Bringing stuff back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. Besides, we have rifftrax if you want mst3k for new movies. The old format doesn't hold up well.
      What are they going to do that's better than rifftrax?

    2. Re:Bringing stuff back by moronoxyd · · Score: 2

      "You want a blue car? Nobody likes blue. Also, if you want a blue car, you can buy this red car. How is a blue car better then a red car?"

      Or put differently: Saying one doesn't need one thing, because there is another thing that is kinda-sorta the same except it is different ist a strange argument.
      You may like rifftrax more than mst3k, but that doesn't mean that everybody has to share your opinion. Stay with riftrax and let everyone who want's to support mst3k.
      You're not losing anything by both existing in parallel.

      Disclaimer: I don't know rifftrax and I don't care about mst3k.

    3. Re:Bringing stuff back by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I hate to say it, but I don't particularly relish the idea of an aging Joel or Mike besmirching the memory of the original by attempting to reclaim the old magic. There have been very few reboots that have worked (Battlestar Galactica), but the vast majority that have failed miserably (pretty much everything else).

      Even stuff that should have been bulletproof (like animated shows, where the cast never ages) have mostly failed. When Futurama came back, it was a sad shell of its former self. And Beavis and Butthead seemed completely out of place in a world where music videos are no longer even on TV, and in a time when kids barely even still watch TV anyway. Sure Family Guy worked, but it had only been gone for a few years and they were able to get the entire team back together again pretty easily.

      Most of the time it's better to go out on top of your game and move on. Did MST3K still have some years left in it when it was cancelled? Absolutely! Are those lost years still reclaimable in 2015? Probably not.

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    4. Re:Bringing stuff back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't find Rifftrax nearly as funny as the original show. Not because the jokes are bad but because the comedic delivery has changed from silly goofing to angry old man yelling.
      Cinematic Titanic had the issue where EVERYONE tried to be dead pan, not just Joe, and that definitely doesn't work.
      Neither Mike nor Joe understand why the original was good, they just listen to fans.... "Oh I liked Joe best, he was dead pan!" "I like Mike, he was more sarcastic!"
      That became the basis for the things that followed. I'm scared to think that Jim Mallon might be the reason they were successful. I prefer to think MST3K was lightning in a bottle.

    5. Re:Bringing stuff back by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      I did. Joel seemed to try to apply the brakes to comments that weren’t PG rated by Bill & Kevin. Mike was more appreciative of Kevin and Bill's wit when it went over that, making the later MST3K episodes with Mike much funnier in my opinion, which carry to the RiffTrax efforts.

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    6. Re:Bringing stuff back by interval1066 · · Score: 2

      but I don't particularly relish the idea of an aging Joel or Mike

      Nonsense. They're just as funny as ever. Ageist.

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    7. Re:Bringing stuff back by PCM2 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I hate to say it, but I don't particularly relish the idea of an aging Joel or Mike besmirching the memory of the original by attempting to reclaim the old magic.

      It won't be either. They're not ruling out the old characters making cameos or something, but they're getting a new, younger host (some comedian) and a couple other new people to play the bots. Joel's mostly just running the show.

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    8. Re:Bringing stuff back by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I hate to say it, but I don't particularly relish the idea of an aging Joel or Mike besmirching the memory of the original by attempting to reclaim the old magic.

      It won't be either. They're not ruling out the old characters making cameos or something, but they're getting a new, younger host (some comedian) and a couple other new people to play the bots. Joel's mostly just running the show.

      Yeesh. How hard is to to post some actual information:
      Jonah Ray is the new "Joel."
      Hampton Yount and Baron Vaughn are the new Crow and Servo.
      Felicia Day and Patton Oswald are the new Mad Scientists.

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    9. Re:Bringing stuff back by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

      I guess you're not familiar with Rifftrax, because the "aging" Mike, Kevin and Bill are doing quite well for themselves.

      Furthermore, the show will now have a completely different cast. I think it's an incredible opportunity to see what a whole new crew of people can do under the guidance and aegis of the guy who created the whole concept in the first place.

      Sit it out if you want, but don't bash it until you've given it a chance.

      Seeing as how you are someone who is praising "Family Guy", I find it really difficult to give any credit to your ability to judge what's good or not.

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    10. Re:Bringing stuff back by malditaenvidia · · Score: 1

      Joel never really did any episodes with Bill Corbett as Crow. You're probably thinking of Trace Beaulieu, who also played Dr. Forrester.

    11. Re:Bringing stuff back by Ranbot · · Score: 1

      I never understand the obsession with bringing things back. Your memories of the past are rose tinted and rehashes rarely live up to them.

      Individual opinions/tastes may vary, there are numerous examples of commercially successful "reboots" like, Transformers, Legos, Dr. Who, Le Miserables, Battlestar Galactica, anything Shakespeare, Mad Max, Star Wars, Sherlock Holmes, Lord of the Rings, and more.... Sometimes history/nostalgia can be a foundation to launch into something new and suitable for modern times. It all depends on the implementation.

      It's fine to be skeptical of a MST3K reboot and not back the Kickstarter, but let's not be overly-pessimistic and rule it out as a failure before a show is even made.

  5. Number 1 kickstarter ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Only because Joss Whedon hasn't done a "firefly" kickstarter !!!

    1. Re:Number 1 kickstarter ? by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Too bad Nathan Fillion is getting too old for a Firefly reboot/re-animation... hmmm... animation, you just need the voices that way....

    2. Re:Number 1 kickstarter ? by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

      Any hope of reviving Firefly ended when its follow-up movie barely broke $10 million on its opening weekend. Having a few *very vocal* fans is just no substitute for having a large *number* of fans.

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    3. Re:Number 1 kickstarter ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apples vs. Oranges. Movie accounting is notoriously bad and opening weekend sales is a useless statistic designed to generate buzz in Variety.

      Television series are cheaper and a better story telling vehicle anyway.

    4. Re:Number 1 kickstarter ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A series like Firefly would generally cost $3 million+ per episode today just to produce, not including promotion. No studio is going to pay for that when there are only a relative handful of fans watching.

      It's dead. Deal with it.

    5. Re:Number 1 kickstarter ? by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      Any hope of reviving Firefly ended when its follow-up movie barely broke $10 million on its opening weekend. Having a few *very vocal* fans is just no substitute for having a large *number* of fans.

      Firefly is still owned by some mega corporation which will not sell Joss the rights to the name, hence "Serenity." Joss moved on to new projects, as did most of the cast. They've done pretty well for themselves post Firefly. You see, it was a great show, but lives move on. It's pretty likely that Joss will get the folks together again some time for another Firefly project, but right now he's too buys making billion dollar blockbuster movies. Though I wouldn't hold my breath. He's still sitting on Doctor Horrible II.

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    6. Re:Number 1 kickstarter ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Avengers 3 is being directed by the Russo brothers, so maybe Sensitive Joss Whedon will be available for a revival of whatever. Here's hoping it's Buffy.

    7. Re:Number 1 kickstarter ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck Firefly. Where's my fourth season of Deadwood?

  6. Verona Mars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for the tip!

    Gets my purse. Better luck next time guys.

  7. Re:Visit by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now that's fscking funny. Don't worry buddy, there is nobody here who knows how to take down a website!

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  8. Wildly expensive by DrXym · · Score: 1

    $500,000 per episode. Are they setting it in Downton Abbey with the complete cast?

    1. Re:Wildly expensive by Volanin · · Score: 2

      Actually, as they reported in an update, they are targeting $250,000 per episode:
      https://www.kickstarter.com/pr...

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    2. Re:Wildly expensive by Dan+East · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As someone else stated, it's $250k per episode. Remember that includes the typical licensing fees they have to pay to essentially re-distribute each film they are lampooning. You don't think they get to broadcast copyrighted movies totally for free do you?

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    3. Re:Wildly expensive by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Getting the rights to use the movies is the big problem. Part of why RiffTrax work so well, you provide the DVD, they provide the "mst3k"ing audio track...

    4. Re:Wildly expensive by Dan+East · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And that got me to thinking... when MST3k first started up, they were totally under the radar and an unknown. They should have been able to buy the rights to crappy B grade sci-fi movies for dirt cheap. These were the kinds of movies small indie TV stations would play at 2 AM and I bet they were practically free to broadcast. MST3k could also claim very low distribution and viewership initially. Now, everyone knows what the show is about, and knows that the number of viewers will be much higher. So I have a hunch the copyright holders of these older movies will try to get much larger licensing fees out of MST3k this time around.

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    5. Re:Wildly expensive by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      How much of the episode money needs to go to the studio who produced the film being reviewed though? I'm guessing that would be the bulk of the expense of producing each show and is something Joel would probably have a good handle on.

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    6. Re:Wildly expensive by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I got a better idea. Create a program that can read the DVD or Blu-Ray (or other video source) and overlay the content on the screen. They don't have to license the content, because they aren't distributing the content. Just distribute the stuff that gets played over top of the original video. I'm not sure how that would really work with respect to copyright laws, but it might be a way around the entire problem.

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    7. Re:Wildly expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As was explained in previous stories and on the kickstarter itself the first set of episodes are more expensive due to start-up costs like set building, purchasing cameras and sound equipment, recruiting and hiring crew, etc. Episodes after that will be cheaper.

    8. Re:Wildly expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much of the episode money needs to go to the studio who produced the film being reviewed though?

      Reviewed? I'm guessing you've never seen MST3K.

    9. Re:Wildly expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other hand, if you have a shitty movie, and it's justifiably collecting dust, you could get way more exposure by offering it up for a lampooning.

      This may be more likely if you have other things to promote.

    10. Re:Wildly expensive by CaptnCrud · · Score: 1

      Actually it really wouldn't be all that hard, the app would just need to have transparency on the "screen" area. Then it would be just a matter of moving the app on top of the player window and scaling both to the same size.

      Python would work pretty good.....hmmm, might be a fun little project.

    11. Re:Wildly expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like this?

      http://www.rifftrax.com/riffplayer

    12. Re:Wildly expensive by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      So I have a hunch the copyright holders of these older movies will try to get much larger licensing fees out of MST3k this time around.

      Maybe, if they're clueless. Lots of movies that were basically collecting dust have experienced a "revival" from being lampooned on MST3K. For example, Manos, the Hands of Fate is basically a household name among movie geeks these days. If your movie is truly pretty shit and it's not making any money for you, you know the old saying about bad publicity...

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    13. Re:Wildly expensive by DrXym · · Score: 1
      Except it isn't 250k per episode. The meter is on 4-6 episodes and the next level unlocks at 4,400,000. So currently it's $550,000 per episode. And even if it reached 5,500,000 then it would be $458,333 per episode.

      So I'm being reasonable in saying $500k. It's a very large sum of money for the show format.

    14. Re:Wildly expensive by DrXym · · Score: 1

      I doubt the licensing costs for showing excerpts from bad movies amounts to a major expense. I'm also sure that MST3K minimize the costs further by selling digital copies of the movie in question from the online store and splitting revenues with the rights holder.

    15. Re:Wildly expensive by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      Joel covered this in one of the updates. You're failing to account for the campaign fees collected by Kickstarter, credit card processing fees, and the cost of the rewards being offered.

      See here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mst3k/bringbackmst3k/posts/1413188

      "At the end of the day, our goal is to make each feature-length episode of MST3K for around $250,000... And remember: that $250K isn't just to hire our writers, cast and crew, or rent equipment and space. It also includes the cost of LICENSING MOVIE RIGHTS, and that can get pretty expensive."

    16. Re:Wildly expensive by Suffering+Bastard · · Score: 2

      Michael J. Nelson has done just that.

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    17. Re:Wildly expensive by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Kickstarter takes 5% and credit cards take a few %. Hard to reconcile why the funds raised are ~$500k to the statement that an episode costs $250k.

    18. Re:Wildly expensive by lefthand2776 · · Score: 2

      As per the chart in the link above... You are correct that the 'campaign fees' are a relatively small chunk of the pie. The bulk is taken up by fulfilling the rewards (t-shrits, mugs, and such). They even added a new reward tier that includes only digital items so that donors could have their $$ go more toward the project.

    19. Re:Wildly expensive by asavage · · Score: 2

      It is exactly broken down in the link in the comment you replied to. Fees and rewards are ~35% or $700K. Fixed costs for production startup including build sets, costumes, etc. is $550K. This leaves $750K for 3 episodes. For the stretch goals they raise $1.1M per 3 episode target but after fees and rewards they have $750K/3 episodes as well.

    20. Re:Wildly expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I doubt the licensing costs for showing excerpts from bad movies amounts to a major expense. I'm also sure that MST3K minimize the costs further by selling digital copies of the movie in question from the online store and splitting revenues with the rights holder.

      Never seen an episode, have you? They don't show excerpts, they show the entire damn movie while ripping on it the entire time.

    21. Re:Wildly expensive by Princeofcups · · Score: 2

      I got a better idea. Create a program that can read the DVD or Blu-Ray (or other video source) and overlay the content on the screen. They don't have to license the content, because they aren't distributing the content. Just distribute the stuff that gets played over top of the original video. I'm not sure how that would really work with respect to copyright laws, but it might be a way around the entire problem.

      Is this some kind of sarcasm, or do you seriously not know about RiffTrax?

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    22. Re:Wildly expensive by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      It's not hard at all. Read the link I provided.

    23. Re:Wildly expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They specifically call this possibility out in one of their updates.

    24. Re:Wildly expensive by Xest · · Score: 1

      I have literally no idea what it's about, I only know that it's suddenly getting spammed to Slashdot like 10 times a week.

      What is it? some American TV show I assume? Have literally never heard of it. Care to enlighten why it's special and what separates it from the billion other shows that exist?

    25. Re:Wildly expensive by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

      Yes, it was an American TV show that began on public Television in Minneapolis Minnesota in 1984.

      Wikipedia has a rather decent article:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Science_Theater_3000

      As to what made it special. Well, that is harder to define. It was in its time, a one of a kind show that a great many of us found funny as hell. If you were to watch it, you would find a portion of the jokes to be relevant to the time, and likely not very funny now. But it was very unique in its time. I still watch them occasionally, I have all the episodes (of differing quality as many were only recorded on home VCRs.) except for the first four public TV episodes that no one ever recorded. If you like old, B or lower movies, many in B/W, you may enjoy it. Some of the skits were a bit insipid, but nothing is ever perfect. Give it a go, you might like it.

      I am looking forward to a few new episodes. I truly loved this show at its height. I hope they can re-capture some of the magic of the original series.

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    26. Re:Wildly expensive by Creepy · · Score: 1

      It actually appeared first on KTMA channel 23, not public television, which was an independent UHF station. I happened to have strep throat and had to leave the table because I couldn't down food and my mom nixed my request for the ER, saying I could wait until morning that fateful evening, so I watched TV in my room. The TV guide listed it as MST3000 and then Invaders from the Deep, followed by another one called Revenge of the Mysterons from Mars (this one actually caught my eye, but I started watching about 20 minutes into the first one - I had NO IDEA what was going on, and the first few jokes I heard fell flat, so that didn't help - I caught on though, and by the second movie had my brother watching it).

    27. Re:Wildly expensive by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the correction. I always thought KTMA was a public station. (I've been to Minneapolis/St Paul many times but never lived there).

      Hehehe, that sounds an awful lot like my first experience with MST3K, minus the illness. It became one of my favorites over the years. I had most of the episodes on VHS, now all but the original 4 on my computer. Got to find a copy of the original pitch video as i understand Joel found a copy. It is the only one that exists that I have never seen.

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  9. crap! now i need to rewatch veronica mars by sittingnut · · Score: 0

    really! don't mention it again, triggers cravings.

  10. Re:Nostalgic nonsense by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    Don't worry, you can see the new brand of B and C rated actors when this launches and realize how terrible it really will be. They even have Felicia "Around Gamers never relax" Day in it.

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  11. Re:Nostalgic nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wow. Any way to shoehorn in your politics, huh? That's what makes you boring. People are just sick of it.
     
    On a side actually related to the topic at hand; I still like to watch a couple episodes here and there. What made the original production die was the way that Comedy Central and The Sci-Fi Channel both have a way of beating their shows to death. Both channels ran the show 4-6 times a day at one point. That's 33-50% of your daily programming taken up by a single show. Back in those days people actually got sick of it and walked away, today it's the entire business model of some networks like HGTV and the Food Network.
     
    All in all, it could be ok. I'd certainly take a look but the one concerning point I have is that it's Joel. Joel wasn't as good as Mike to begin with and he's so far removed from the program that it could either be a curse or a blessing. Only time will tell.

  12. Why bring this back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The comments were mostly unfunny, the profiles of the commenters were in the way, the whole thing was just downright silly and childish. What is it that so many seem to like about this junk?

    1. Re:Why bring this back? by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 2

      The comments were mostly unfunny, the profiles of the commenters were in the way, the whole thing was just downright silly and childish. What is it that so many seem to like about this junk?

      "I have a great sense of humor! I just don't like things that are silly and childish! Like jokes! I defy you explain to me why jokes are funny!"

    2. Re:Why bring this back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's actually the point. There are brilliant jokes, good ones, decent ones, silly ones and pathetic ones. Those in the show seemed to fall, by and large, in the last two categories, with an occasional decent one, and maybe one or two good ones overall. Is that worth the while bringing back?

    3. Re:Why bring this back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know you want me, baby!

  13. Re:Nostalgic nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not true.

  14. Re: Nostalgic nonsense by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    In what way is making fun of dumb movies impossible today? It's a rich source of comedy. Oh, and major dick move putting politics in there, it is hatred like that that keeps alternative choices alive and well. Anything that the mainstream despises so publicly must be worth checking out.

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  15. Rifftrax guys by malditaenvidia · · Score: 1

    Mike Nelson, Kevin Murphy and Bill Corbett aren't involved, so no, thanks.

    1. Re:Rifftrax guys by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      I think it's kind of telling that (when last I checked), Joel was listed as a Kickstarter supporter, but for none of the previous Rifftrax efforts.

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    2. Re:Rifftrax guys by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      I think it's foolish to rule out the show just because Mike, Bill and Kevin aren't involved. Maybe the new episodes won't be very good, or maybe they'll be better than ever. Either way, we'll still have Rifftrax. There's room in this world for more than one franchise making fun of bad movies.

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    3. Re:Rifftrax guys by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      Foolish? Debatable.

      There's an air of oddness hanging over the proceedings that three (!) of the original players haven't been called in to bat. Those guys DID help make MST3K what it was. If they're being openly snubbed, there's a good chance it will be reflected in the work via noticeable absence.

      Just my two cents, of course.

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  16. I would LOVE to see MST3K for modern "bad" movies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ring 2

    Robocop Reboot

    The Hobbit movies (specifically the last one).

    Battlefield Earth

    The Last Airbender

    I, Frankenstein

    I'd put in $500 to make it happen.

  17. The reward tiers are problematic for the longterm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love MST3k, but this is a horribly designed Kickstarter.

    It seems much more like an Indie-go-go campaign of "please give us money for nothing".

    Which is fine, people are free to do that.

    But Kickstarter is for pre-selling a product.

    As is, their "reward tiers" are currently:

    $25 for time locked access to the first premiere episode in real time.

    $35 to have access to the first episode whenever you like.

    $100 for access to all episodes.

    They are going to be in big trouble with their backers when they make this and then try to sell access to it on iTunes/Amazon, because they will have to price it far cheaper than any of those.

    $25 for limited access to one episode? Hotels don't charge that much for a pay-per-view movie.

    $35 to own a digital copy? The Avengers: Age of Ultron is less than half of that on Amazon/iTunes.

    Kickstarter "rewards" are supposed to be rewards, not punishments.

  18. kickstarter users incapable of learning by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

    he has just under two weeks to shoot past the Number 1 kickstarter, Veronica Mars.

    The important thing is that no one seems to have learned the lesson that the Mars kickstarter taught, that giving your hard earned money to Hollywood fat cats will enrich them and that promises made to you will be broken.

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    1. Re:kickstarter users incapable of learning by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

      Except Joel Hodgson and Shout! Factory aren't Hollywood fat cats. Shout! has been very good to the show, working to make most of the episodes available for purchase, and they are now re-releasing the Rhino-era episodes which have been out of print for some time. Having secured the intellectual property from Jim Mallon, they are willing to give Joel the kind of control that made MST3K the best TV ever in the first place.

      And Joel... we're still talking about the guy who started the whole franchise with a skeleton crew on a no-name UHF station with almost zero budget. Even if the new episodes aren't as good as the old ones, I sincerely believe that Joel and the new cast, writers and producers will give it their all.

      I also don't see it as any kind of slam against the new project that Mike, Bill and Kevin have chosen not to be involved. Mike and Kevin were involved with the original show for about 10 years each, and Bill for about 3 years. They made wonderful contributions, but they have their own gig now. They have a good thing going with Rifftrax, which itself has been going for the better part of 10 years, and works from a significantly different business model that must be pretty successful given the amount of material they are able to produce. Rifftrax has clearly declared its alliance with the new MST3K and will be selling the new episodes, along with the old episodes it's already selling. Plus, Mary Jo and Bridget are now riffing for Rifftrax in their own unique style.

      It's a big enough world for more than one franchise making fun of bad movies. Who knows... maybe ICWXP will hit it big next!

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  19. Re:The reward tiers are problematic for the longte by brianerst · · Score: 1

    He keeps adding to the existing rewards, though. The $35 dollar level, for instance, now comes with 6 episodes of the original show (which retail at $10 / episode) as well as the first episode of the new series. Every level above $35 basically includes every level below them, so by the time you get to the $100 level, you get 6 episodes of the old series, all the episodes of the new series, a T-shirt, a coffee mug, your name in the credits and various other tchotchke. He's also added some other non-KS items that will be rolled into the final budget (e.g., you can buy all 87 available episodes of the original series for $150 today and the $150 counts toward the total). He hasn't figured out how to add the non-KS revenue to the KS page, but has been letting people know the totals as the project progresses.

    $100 is obviously overpriced if you are only interested in viewing whatever number of new episodes (6, 9 or 12) finally get produced - Vimeo will stream them for $3/episode probably - but for fans that want new content produced and own the episodes and the other swag, it's not bad for KS.

  20. Some Kickstarter have a alpha/beta product first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some people seem to think you need a complete product that you cannot afford to mass produce. Somethings are from people making something for themselves, and opening it up to others to get in on, which would be difficult to otherwise obtain. Here is an example of a cosplay helmet/costume that would otherwise be unavailable: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2126202269/frontier-buccaneer-3d-printed-cosplay-prop-helmets

  21. And they're only 60% funded by davesque · · Score: 1

    Just wanted to point out that, even though they're raising a lot relative to kickstarter standards, they still need a lot of money to make their funding goal of 5.5 mil. I pledged because I loved that show. Hope other people consider doing so as well.

  22. Re:Nostalgic nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ha ha! You got modded down for being a fucking troll. I'm glad your politicized bitchtard ass got the thrashing it deserved.