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Arkansas Has a Growing Population of "Climate Change Refugees"
HughPickens.com writes: Located between Hawaii and Australia, the Marshall Islands are made up of 29 atolls and five islands with a population of about 70,000, all of whom live about six feet above sea level. Now Story Hinkley writes in the Christian Science Monitor that another 10,000 Marshallese have moved to Springdale, Arkansas because of climate change. Because this Pacific island nation is so small, the Marshallese population in Arkansas attribute their Springdale settlement to one man, John Moody, who moved to the US in 1979 after the first wave of flooding. Moody's family eventually moved to Springdale to live with him and work for Tyson and other poultry companies based in Arkansas, eventually causing a steady flow of extended friends and family migrating to Springdale. "Probably in 10 to 20 years from now, we're all going to move," says Roselinta Keimbar adding that she likes Arkansas because it is far away from the ocean, meaning it is safe.
For more than three decades, Marshallese have moved in the thousands to the landlocked Ozark Mountains for better education, jobs and health care, thanks to an agreement that lets them live and work in the US.. This historical connection makes it an obvious destination for those facing a new threat: global warming. Marshallese Foreign Minister Tony de Brum says even a small rise in global temperatures would spell the demise of his country. While many world leaders in Paris want to curb emissions enough to cap Earth's warming at 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit (2 degrees Celsius), de Brum is pushing for a target that's 25 percent lower. "The thought of evacuation is repulsive to us," says de Brum. "We think that the more reasonable thing to do is to seek to end this madness, this climate madness, where people think that smaller, vulnerable countries are expendable and therefore they can continue to do business as usual." Meanwhile residents jokingly call their new home "Springdale Atoll," and there's even a Marshallese consulate in Springdale, the only one on the mainland US. "Its not our fault that the tide is getting higher," says Carlon Zedkaia,. "Just somebody else in this world that wants to get rich."
For more than three decades, Marshallese have moved in the thousands to the landlocked Ozark Mountains for better education, jobs and health care, thanks to an agreement that lets them live and work in the US.. This historical connection makes it an obvious destination for those facing a new threat: global warming. Marshallese Foreign Minister Tony de Brum says even a small rise in global temperatures would spell the demise of his country. While many world leaders in Paris want to curb emissions enough to cap Earth's warming at 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit (2 degrees Celsius), de Brum is pushing for a target that's 25 percent lower. "The thought of evacuation is repulsive to us," says de Brum. "We think that the more reasonable thing to do is to seek to end this madness, this climate madness, where people think that smaller, vulnerable countries are expendable and therefore they can continue to do business as usual." Meanwhile residents jokingly call their new home "Springdale Atoll," and there's even a Marshallese consulate in Springdale, the only one on the mainland US. "Its not our fault that the tide is getting higher," says Carlon Zedkaia,. "Just somebody else in this world that wants to get rich."
Now, I've traveled pretty extensively - and have enjoyed my time in Arkansas quite a bunch. But... And you knew there must be a but... I can't really imagine the hardship if you're moving to the Ozarks for a "better education." This might seem like a slam against the Ozarks and, indeed, it might be but the reality is that they're not stupid - it's that I just don't think of the Ozarks when I think of where to send people for a "better education."
Better than what? I was under the impression that we'd put schools and infrastructure in place post WWII. The climate part I get... But, of all the places to seek in the US for "better education" that seems a bit of a stretch. I'm thinking it was cheap living, ready jobs at Tyson, family, and a pre-existing culture base that was similar due to their historical roots. Hmm... I suspect "education" makes a better sound bite but damned if I'm gonna read the article - I'm no heretic.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
...meet AGW refugees.
Are they Muslims? If so this is the end to our America. And look they criticize our way of live. We will not change our ways just for a flipping atoll who have for no apparent reason access to the US. It is our right to drive where other people would walk. And it is our right to have this great market economy. Yes we can become rich. Every decent person can become rich. And we will not allow to destroy this by some island folks or the pope who is not a true Christian. Look he just visited a Mosque in Africa. And there is no such thing as human made global warming, because if there were we would have to give up our birth rights. We will never do that.
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Didn't read the article (do we even do that here?), but the summary itself says the first "refugee" was in 1979, and that there haven't actually been any repercussions from climate change; rather, these folks just didn't like living on islands in the ocean anymore.
They live in a place that has NEVER flooded until the seventies.
They have always lived close to nature. The only stuff they ever got from the outside world was delivered in EU approved energy efficient sustainable energy wooden boats rowed by people who did not need to eat much. And when they moved to the mainland they rowed there in EU approved energy efficient sustainable energy bullshit wooden boats. Their carbon footprint is exactly zero. It is all the fault of the rich people. Nobody except for the rich people have ever had any advantage from the things that are messing up the environment.
Of course, the rich people blame it on China or India or Africa.
It is utter arrogance to point the finger when all of us are guilty of this.
They are worried about the environment so they go to work for a company FAMOUS for getting exemptions from the FDA clean food and drug act from the Clinton administration. Who is responsible for toxic dumping in rivers? What the stink?
http://www.naturalnews.com/045788_Tyson_Foods_pollution_toxic_chemicals.html
since we all know there is no such thing as AGW. I understand the Tuamotus are being abandoned as well.
For more than three decades, Marshallese have moved in the thousands to the landlocked Ozark Mountains for better education, jobs and health care. ...
Suddenly, they're now "AGW refugees".
Yeah, sure.
I guess rewriting the past isn't limited to "correcting" temperature readings.
Courtesy of the Marshall Islands expats. Nice. Thanks, Sam. Thanks, Hugh.
The Searcy County seat town of Marshall, Arkansas in the Ozarks has been suffering from an exodus of youth during the past few decades. My parents are retired there and complain that there are not enough young people to take care of the aging population. I take this as a sign of divine Providence... warming could be an act of God intended to care for my retired parents.
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Whether you believe in God or climate change, and I'm not certain why the two are typically mutually exclusive, it has to occur to you that change is inevitable. Tangible evidence exists that the World's weather is different now, and it doesn't take a wild leap of imagination to infer that eight billion humans probably have something to do with it.
The sacrifice required now to right the ship is minimal compared to what it will become in a decade... and past a certain tipping point, there will be no remedy. Buy some land where it's presently very cold.
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It wouldn't be that these worthless people will take any excuse to come to Arkansas because the welfare is better? Send the all home. Climate change hysterics are malevolent.
Regardless of any sea rising problems, free reign to come live and work in the US is a boon to any 3rd world nation, and many will take advantage of it.
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Forgetting Earth's warming for a moment, shouldn't naturally-occurring tsunamis wipe the place regularly anyway? It seems reckless to settle barely above sea-level somewhere surrounded by a huge ocean and somehow expect that water-level fluctuations will never exceed 0.05% of the average depth of the oceans.
The per-capita GDP of the Marshall Islands is $2900, very low by world standards, and it has never been a lot better. Arkansas's per capita GDP, by comparison, is $31000. That alone is ample incentive for moving. That is, even a backwater, poor state like Arkansas is still a lot better that the Marshall Islands. While Westerners have some idyllic notions of island paradise, atolls have always been risky and marginal places to live; people moved there because they didn't have any other options, and these nations have always experienced large net emigration as soon as people actually had opportunities to emigrate. In addition, many of these atolls simply are not permanent, but they are temporary features that appear and disappear over thousands of years, quite naturally, regardless of human activity.
Also, to put this issue into perspective, all island nations of Melanesia, Micronesia, and Polynesia together make up less than 3 million people, who have always lived under impoverished conditions and always been at high risk from natural disasters. Even if global warming were to displace all of them, that would be comparable to the number displaced by a single major hydroelectric plant, like China's Three River Gorges dam.
At this point, the discussion is also academic because sea levels are going to continue to rise, no matter what policies we adopt, so we better find places to accommodate these people. Given that places like Europe have big demographic problems, Europeans should welcome these populations with open arms. Of course, America would also benefit from their presence and I'm glad they are settling here.
So they're welcome in my book.
These are not "climate change refugees". These are people that moved for greater economic opportunity. They choose Springdale because there is an established community of of countrymen. This provides a level of familiarity and comfort, as well as connections that could get them jobs.
JOBS is why there is a growing community of Marshalese in Srpingdale. Climate change is completely ancillary to the matter, except when you have an agenda to propagandize, such as advancing the AGW drumbeat or baiting readers.
People build houses on cliffs at the sea shore. People build houses on flood plains. People build houses downwind from sand dune deserts. People build in all kinds of precarious places, and that's not a good enough reason to ask for help or even just consideration from billions of people in order to slightly raise the chance that these doomed settlements may exist a little longer. You built on sand and you have a place where you can go. Be glad the end of your birthplace doesn't come in the form of molten rock flowing through your bedroom.
Why should 1 Billion people in India give up on affordable energy and all the improvements it brings to their lives just so a few thousand people can live comfortably in the Marshall Islands?
Damn, wish my house was that high up...
Note that New Orleans is below Sea Level.
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"Marshallese have moved in the thousands to the landlocked Ozark Mountains for better education, jobs and health care"
Um yeah, they didn't move there because of "climate change". They came for the jobs (jerbs).
Earth's topography is evolving all the time. Remember Pangea?
... "better education, jobs and health care"?
Not enough WHITE people on the Marshall Islands to provide it?
A recent satellite image based analysis showed that the less populated Marshalls are stable in size or growing. The more populated islands suffer from shoreside construction of seawalls that exacerbates erosion and flooding
what is the proper racial slur to use for Marshallese ?
Seems like there would be an opposite effect in the 70's if we're supposed to be worried about heating flooding the earth, shouldn't cooling have the opposite effect? There's quite a few news stories on it and what do you know - they even say the same thing the zealots are saying now! We're going to have to give up our freedom over it!
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he first humans moved to Florida about 12,000 years ago
And they're still clogging up I-95 driving 40 miles an hour with their left-turn blinker on.
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The real story is that these people are "economic refugees", not "climate refugees". They came for the jobs, education, and health care. They didn't come because of AGW, even though that makes a good excuse.
...that make me have major concerns about the data we are being spoon fed. This is a very obvious propaganda, and very thinly veiled. Is it to create strife and keep the anti-AWG and the AWG fighting just to keep them distracted from other more important things? This is so thinly veiled and obvious tripe that's all I can think of; click-bait to keep you focused on the Circus (of bread and circus), to keep you Divided (of divide and conquer).
They are not migrating because of climate change. They are migrating at a chance of a better life. They are coming from an extremely small island nation with nil GDP and a poor ineffective infrastructure. They are using climate change to get some serious dough from the US. And people are leaving to a better place.
You don't need much money when you live in paradise.
I'm sure the Marshall Islands are no different. More people, which means more people (especially poor people) will be trying to live near the water or in areas that are cheap (due to flooding maybe?). We saw the same nonsense in New Orleans with people living 10-15 feet below the water level behind substandard dikes.
The water has been doing what the water does for thousands of years, but now there are more people in the way and somehow that makes it Global Warming. What a crock of shit. They aren't coming here because the water level moved up 1/16 of an inch. Those people want the better standard of living, jobs, and social programs....period end of story.
Egypt used to be much wetter and more hospitable. However due to the rampant man made climate change in 2000 BCE, Egyptians were forced to move and take up the banner of radical Islam. On one hand I want to blame the Egyptians for creating global warming. On the other hand, Egyptians are not canonically referred to as being 'white' by the main stream media, and therefor get a pass on any sins the may have committed either through omission (not building enough solar plants) or commission through rampant construction of fossil burning power plants cleverly disguised as pyramids.
Sometimes I think mainstream media is just trolling us. Really the stories are just too stupid to be believed. People should just ignore mainstream press. Everything coming out of that outlet is either wrong, hyperbolized to the extent that it might as well be wrong, exaggerated, slanted, and biased to garner the most views and create the most discontent and malaise amongst the general pop as possible. People have from time immortal been migrating to find better climate and grazing lands. Shit is not new. What is new is a class of peoples making shit tons of $$$ of this migration and creating division and hatred in the process. The Media is the lowest of the low. Even worse than drug dealers.
Stop supporting the drug dealers and media elite. Stop creating and responding to stories such as this. You can learn more from watching Sponge Bob for 1 hour than you can learn from watching 24 hrs of CNN or Fox.
What makes AGW, AKA Climate Change less believable is all the BS non-causal effects attributed to it by politicians and the media. Refugees can blame the weather all they want, but money and lifestyle are their true motivations.
We A-bombed THE FUCK outta their islands, and kicked them off others.[*]
They better damn well love America!
[*] still better than they probably could've expected at the hands of the Japanese...
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Here is the climate dogma: If 100,000 or more Spanish-speaking immigrants come to Arkansas for work, it's NOT A PROBLEM.
But, if 10,000 English-speaking immigrants come to Arkansas from the Marshall Islands, it's a BIG PROBLEM.
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If you're only willing to buy the property for cents on the dollar, you can't really be expecting to win on the deal because AGW will make the property worthless.
Go on, be a REAL man and put your money where your mouth is and offer full price for it. It's what the place is worth (else it would not be the full price), so you get property that will increase in value as years pass by. Unless AGW turns it into a submerged swamp. You must be fairly convinced that is likely if you're only going to offer two grand for it.
But you're too dumb to take in the explanation that it wasn't, so I'm not repeating what you refuse to listen to for the thousandth time.
So are we supposed to ignore that the Marshall Islands get 160+ inches of rain a year with most falling from May to November??? Logic would tell you that it getting heavy rains and being near sea level would lend itself to flooding. Add to that tides are a result of the gravitational pull of the moon and the sun, which can only happen a maximum of twice a month, so the "more frequent" claim is utter rubbish. Is climate change changing gravity now too??? Australia has monitors all over down there and the data is available quite easily. Those show some pretty common numbers when charted with no great rise like has been claimed.
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Are apparently ignoring this. Must not pay as much to consider that 80% of the islands are growing.
Hmmmm.. according to researchers using satellite data, 80% of Pacific Islands are stable or growing, and 20% shrinking.
Some of the ones shrinking are shrinking due to other anthropogenic causes - shoreside construction that leads
to erosion and flooding.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/02/150213-tuvalu-sopoaga-kench-kiribati-maldives-cyclone-marshall-islands/
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The fact is that 75% of these small island nations are GAINING land surface. It is widely thought that global warming with rising seas will eventually sink these islands with some putting the dates within our lifetimes. NO. Not happening and not going to happen. If you read the actual facts islands grow or shrink on a lot of factors which sea level rise is one of the smaller factors. Most islands are GROWING not shrinking. Frequently storms leave additional sand or coral. You can see this in data from all the islands. The fact is that living on these islands which are a couple feet above sea level is highly problematic given the huge storms that happen frequently. Even if they were to RISE a few feet it is not uncommon to have 10 foot waves or larger that cause flooding. We are talking 7" of sea level rise maybe by the end of the century - maybe. The facts are that tide guages all over the world see far less than the 2-3mm/year that scientists claim. The average of tide guages is 1.4mm/year or 3-4 inches by end of century. In fact there are many reasons why land is sinking not related to global warming. Subsidence of feet per century is very common in some areas where a lot of water or oil is being extracted from the ground. The simple idea that sea levels are governed by temperature is not true. This is very complicated stuff that the activists don't want you to know.