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Disney Is Making a Fortune and Safeguarding Its Future By Buying Childhood (economist.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Disney has been successful for the better part of a century. But they haven't always had to work as hard to do it. Over the past couple of decades, they've been facing more and better competition than ever before, and they've had to change their business strategy in response. An article at The Economist details this strategy, which seems to have a central theme: buy up things people loved as kids, and commercialize the hell out of them. The recent Star Wars film is the latest example — the marketing blitz around it (and its related merchandise) was a sight to behold. Disney is hoping that focusing investment on great content will protect them from the massive transitions underway in the content delivery part of the entertainment industry. "The biggest doubt is the durability of the model. It is not clear for how long such franchises can be stretched. And introducing new ones is a risk. John Carter, a film based on one of a series of novels by Edgar Rice Burroughs, flopped. Cinema-goers will also have far more choice as other firms try to establish or add to their franchises."

207 comments

  1. star wars has marketing? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 5, Informative

    crazy back in the 80's it was as pure as the virgin mary. no tie in toys by Hasbro or Kenner. No tie in fast food. no lines to see ROTJ because of full page ads in the newspaper. George Lucas made the movies out of pure love of his fans

    1. Re:star wars has marketing? by the_skywise · · Score: 2

      The irony is that Fox practically gave Lucas most of the marketing rights for the first movie thinking Lucas was a sucker for giving them bigger box office take.
      I practically drove my mother into the madhouse trying to get the original 12 figures plus tie fighter and x-wing (with laser light LED on the nose! vreeee-vreeee!)

    2. Re:star wars has marketing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Um... do you know the Star Wars story at all? George Lucas based his entire financial success on the merchandising rights.

    3. Re:star wars has marketing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you know what irony means at all?

    4. Re:star wars has marketing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know what the "Informative" tag means.

    5. Re:star wars has marketing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    6. Re:star wars has marketing? by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Were you even around in the 80's?
      Who modded this up?

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    7. Re:star wars has marketing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ludicrous speed woosh................

    8. Re:star wars has marketing? by Drethon · · Score: 4, Funny

      I know what the "Informative" tag means.

      Informative irony.

    9. Re:star wars has marketing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe this will help you out.

    10. Re:star wars has marketing? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1, Informative

      yes i was and i remember all the marketing crap around then and all the toys. Lucas created the modern blockbuster and the marketing and product tie ins around it. i was in 4th grade when ROTJ came out and it was the same as it is today. toys, junk food and all other kinds of branded products

    11. Re:star wars has marketing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he did it for the money.

      The fans were part of his plan, but it all revolves around... (wait for it)

      THE MONEY!

    12. Re:star wars has marketing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You apparently don't. That's not irony, that was sarcasm.

    13. Re:star wars has marketing? by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1
    14. Re:star wars has marketing? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 3, Informative

      The post was this new thing called "sarcasm". It was just invented last week which is why you've probably not heard of it yet.

    15. Re:star wars has marketing? by Solandri · · Score: 2

      Not sure why OP was modded up. The 1977 Star Wars movie saw Kenner sell $100 million in tie-in toys by 1978. Fox wasn't sold on the idea of a western set in space, so Lucas agreed to receive $500,000 less pay in exchange for keeping the merchandising rights for himself. You bet your ass he exploited the tie-in toys to try to make back that money. I was 8 when the movie came out, and nearly all my friends had the toys (I didn't like the movie so I never bugged my parents for toys). There were fast food tie-ins. And ESB and RotJ were advertised up the wazoo (which really annoyed me since I didn't like the first film) with huge opening-night lines. There was even an ill-fated Star Wars Holiday Special on TV.

      I don't really see why merchandising is considered "unpure" either. If the kid wants a Star Wars toy, then it's better to get him one than for there not to be one for him to get. It only becomes a problem if the kid wants one only because his friends have one (which is a jealousy/parenting problem), or if you're an obsessed collector who has to buy every toy that's out there (which is a mental health problem).

    16. Re:star wars has marketing? by lgw · · Score: 1

      Do you know what irony means at all?

      It's the opposite of "wrinkly"; everybody knows that!

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    17. Re:star wars has marketing? by lgw · · Score: 0

      That "whooshing" sound you hear? It's not a toy X-Wing.

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    18. Re:star wars has marketing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um... do you know the Star Wars story at all? George Lucas based his entire financial success on the merchandising rights.

      That "whooosh" wasn't the sound of you getting your head shaved by a jumbo jet, it an obvious joke going *right* over you.

    19. Re:star wars has marketing? by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 1

      If only they had Star Wars Flame-throwers. The kids woulda loved that one!

    20. Re:star wars has marketing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, there was meant to be a "was" in there. Yeah, that's what I get for not proofreading...

    21. Re:star wars has marketing? by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 1, Informative

      He was modded up because he deserved positive points...but there's no "+1 Epic Sarcasm" option.

    22. Re:star wars has marketing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were you even around in the 80's?
      Who modded this up?

      Best guess is that it probably *was* the people who were around in the 80s... albeit those of them who understand the concept of humorous sarcasm.

    23. Re:star wars has marketing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obligatory *WHOOSH*

    24. Re:star wars has marketing? by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      You guys are all missing the point.

      Its not that they didn't market the shit out of star wars back then. Because we all know how much star wars merchandise there was.

      The point is that they already did it--back in the 70s, someone came up with Star Wars, made some movies, and marketed the shit out of it. Now, here in 2015, instead of finding someone with a new idea and backing it, Disney has simply bought the franchise, rehashed it, and turned the marketing machine up to 11.

      They don't want to take the risk anymore, so we don't get cool new things.

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    25. Re:star wars has marketing? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Go hang out with your peers. We're old curmudgeons here!

      (Not really, you can stay but be quiet while the grownups are speaking, okay? There's a good lad.)

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    26. Re:star wars has marketing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i was in 4th grade when ROTJ came out

      You write as if you still are.

    27. Re:star wars has marketing? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      [Mad cackling comes from the shed at the end of the garden.]

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  2. The Power of Disney by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    The power of Disney is they are incredibly good at merchendizing. You can buy Frozen breakfast cereal. You can buy Star Wars anything (except the holiday special).

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    1. Re:The Power of Disney by halivar · · Score: 2

      Here you go! Thank me later. Or maybe not at all; I've done you no favors here.

    2. Re:The Power of Disney by halivar · · Score: 1

      Gah, unavailable! You lucked out, phantomfive!

    3. Re:The Power of Disney by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Well then, how about this one?

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    4. Re:The Power of Disney by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      How is that different from any other successful franchise? You can buy Angry Birds lunch boxes and Grumpy Cat throw pillows for crying out loud.

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    5. Re:The Power of Disney by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Well worth getting! Not just for the unbelievable crapfest that is the SW Holiday Special itself, but for the awesome Riff commentary... and for the decidedly dated advertisements (which are Riffed on as well!) and CBS announcements.

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    6. Re:The Power of Disney by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Disney is so much better at it than everyone else.

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    7. Re:The Power of Disney by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Thankyou so much. I think. Maybe. Maybe not. Or.....

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  3. This is nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is what Disney has been doing all along... from Snow White to The LIttle Mermaid, pretty much everything Disney has ever had success with has been bought, borrowed or stolen.

    The last original character that Disney created was Mickey Mouse.

    Thats why they spent all that money to destroy public domain... dont want any competition.

    1. Re:This is nothing new by tepples · · Score: 1

      The last original character that Disney created was Mickey Mouse.

      Does this include the Terries and Fermies from the Uncle Scrooge comic books? Or do you file them under Mickey Mouse because of the link through Donald Duck and Scrooge McDuck?

    2. Re:This is nothing new by Sique · · Score: 2

      Actually, Mickey Mouse was not an original character. Walt Disney together with Ub Iwerks created Oscar the Lucky Rabbit before, which looks exactly like Mickey Mouse with the exception of the ears. Later, when Walt Disney founded his own company, he just redesigned Oscar into a mouse.

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    3. Re:This is nothing new by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      so how do you explain all the other children's characters created in the last 100 years? Mickey isn't even that popular anymore

    4. Re:This is nothing new by Schnapple · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's Oswald the Rabbit, not Oscar.

      Also, kinda interesting story, Oswald was the antagonist of the game Epic Mickey. On the Idle Thumbs podcast, Sean Vanaman told the story about how he and some others were handed the Epic Mickey project because no one at Disney Interactive Studios knew what to do with Mickey. They came up with the idea to have Oswald be in the game but Disney didn't own it, NBC Universal did. They pitched it to Bob Iger who liked the idea so much that he put the wheels in motion to trade Al Michaels from Disney-owned ESPN to NBC (something Michaels had wanted to do) in exchange for Oswald and a few other things.

      Vanaman tells the story that he had no idea any of this was going on until he read in the sports section "AL MICHAELS TRADED FOR CARTOON RABBIT"

    5. Re:This is nothing new by AcidPenguin9873 · · Score: 1

      This is what Disney has been doing all along... from Snow White to The LIttle Mermaid, pretty much everything Disney has ever had success with has been bought, borrowed or stolen. The last original character that Disney created was Mickey Mouse.

      I'm really, really sick of hearing this ridiculous argument about Disney films. Did Disney steal all those Little Mermaid songs from the original fairy tale from 150 years ago? Or the animations? Or the voice actors?

      No, none of that existed before Disney. The only thing that existed was the short story by Hans Christian Anderson, published in 1837. Guess what? Many films are made based on previously-published stores. 150 years later, Disney comes along and turns it into an animated musical feature film.

      If you think the value in The Little Mermaid film was completely from the Hans Christian Anderson short story, by all means, set up shop as a traveling bard retelling HCA fairy tales and see if you can get people to give as much money as they've given Disney for Little Mermaid stuff. If you're right, you can laugh in my face all the way to the bank. But I wouldn't quit my day job if I were you.

    6. Re:This is nothing new by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      One could argue that Disney destroyed the value of The Little Mermaid by changing the ending and the whole moral of the story...

    7. Re:This is nothing new by Dan+East · · Score: 2

      This is interesting. So here is the initial Oswald:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      And here is the initial Mickey.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Note how Mickey has the two buttons on top of his pants.

      To me, Mickey is not overly derived from Oswald. Mickey has more detail and a different style. Now of course these cartoons were black and white, and captured on grainy film, so you were limited to black and white and bold strokes, so that part of course would be similar.

      But here's what I find interesting. Take a look at Oswald a few years later in 1933:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      That clearly has copied Mickey's style. Oswald is now wearing shoes and gloves, which Mickey had in 1929. I'm hardly a cartoon historian, but it sure seems to me that it was the other way around, and Oswald was changed to look like Mickey after Disney was successful and not the other way around.

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    8. Re:This is nothing new by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

      That's Oswald the Lucky Rabbit... and he was stolen by Mintz, and later Walter Lanz.

      Disney didn't get Oswald back until 2006.

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    9. Re:This is nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disney didn't create them, duh.

    10. Re: This is nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disney is the death of culture. A sort of cudley version of ISIS. Busily going round destroying history rewriting it in their image.

    11. Re:This is nothing new by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      no stupid, but lots of other people created a lot of other characters and copyrights didn't seem to stop them.

    12. Re:This is nothing new by westlake · · Score: 1

      This is what Disney has been doing all along... from Snow White to The LIttle Mermaid, pretty much everything Disney has ever had success with has been bought, borrowed or stolen.

      Philip Pullman's Fairy Tales from the Brothers Grimm: A New English Version retold fifty of these old tales economically and effectively in a lesss than 450 pages. Fireside reads running a bare ten to fifteen minutes each. The fairy tale is not the ballet, the musical comedy, or feature film. Pulllman was careful to remind his readers that the Grimms favored a select few sources who had already hammered the stories which had caught their attention into publishable form.

    13. Re:This is nothing new by Dan+East · · Score: 1

      Does anyone see the problem here? Why are companies able to sell and transfer copyrights for items that are 80 frigging years old???????

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  4. 2.7 BILLYUN... by the_skywise · · Score: 1

    That's how much Avatar made at the box office and it's a good bet TFA will meet or surpass that (which I continuously read as The F***** Article...)

    When they bought Lucasfilm for 4 billion I thought they'd be hard pressed to make that money back. I knew they would but I thought it'd be several years and movies before they could recoup the cost.

    But... they're going to practically do it with the first movie!

    1. Re:2.7 BILLYUN... by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      TFA? What does the A stand for? Anleashed?

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    2. Re:2.7 BILLYUN... by tepples · · Score: 1

      It's a pun on TFA meaning both The Featured Article, a term used on Slashdot, and The Force Awakens, the title of the Star Wars film in theaters.

    3. Re:2.7 BILLYUN... by adamstew · · Score: 1

      TFA: The Force Awakens. Star Wars Episode 7.

    4. Re:2.7 BILLYUN... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Force Awakens

    5. Re:2.7 BILLYUN... by redmid17 · · Score: 1

      That's how much Avatar made at the box office and it's a good bet TFA will meet or surpass that (which I continuously read as The F***** Article...)

      When they bought Lucasfilm for 4 billion I thought they'd be hard pressed to make that money back. I knew they would but I thought it'd be several years and movies before they could recoup the cost.

      But... they're going to practically do it with the first movie!

      Just have to ask, why did you think a company worth 8 billion in net income last year would have trouble monetizing one of the profitable franchises of all time? 4 billion for Lucasfilms was a steal in my (unexpert) opinion.

    6. Re:2.7 BILLYUN... by Pubstar · · Score: 2

      I always thought TFA meant The Fucking Article. Like RTFM.

    7. Re:2.7 BILLYUN... by brianerst · · Score: 0

      Star Wars VII: The Search for Luke

    8. Re:2.7 BILLYUN... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      When they bought Lucasfilm for 4 billion I thought they'd be hard pressed to make that money back.

      Really? You're surprised by this?

      When Disney bought Pixar, the licensing revenue from Cars alone was something ridiculous like over $1 billion annually.

      The Marvel properties have generated massive amounts of box-office and licensing revenue as well. Again, billions of dollars in box-office and merchandise.

      A full-court press by the Disney marketing folks for Star Wars? I fully expected them to be able to milk that purchase for unbelievable sums of money. Disney have pretty much mastered the process of cross licensing and promotion, and the acquisitions they've made over the last bunch of years have all proven to be massive cash cows.

      Literally everything these days is Star Wars. I'm not surprised in the least that, far from being hard pressed to recoup that investment, Disney is rolling around in huge piles of money.

      Of course, I'm sure somewhere on paper they'll be claiming to have lost money on Star Wars. It's a complete lie, but that seems to be how these things get accounted for these days.

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  5. Re:Fuck Disney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But Pixar is cool, right?

  6. How to defend yourself: by Kohath · · Score: 1

    Grow up.

    1. Re:How to defend yourself: by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

      Problem with that strategy is: there is always a new crop of kids.

  7. Old News by sycodon · · Score: 0, Troll

    I read about this stuff in the 1980's in Marketing 101.

    Did some SJW have deadlines and no ideas?

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    1. Re:Old News by AlecC · · Score: 1

      The Economist has a Christmas edition to do, which includes extra materiel which is "interesting" but not current news, to compensate for not producing an edition next week. Even if you got it in marketing 101, not everybody dis, and the Star Wars release makes it topical.

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    2. Re:Old News by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Funny

      The only way The Economist can be "interesting" is putting camel sex on their cover.

      http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_U1Unbf6HVBw/SCGIVVLtVpI/AAAAAAAABOA/jhBPGg_mvbU/s400/camel-hump.jpg

    3. Re:Old News by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 2

      Did some SJW have deadlines and no ideas?

      Now, I'm an ornery son of a bitch with no patience for SJWs, but, really, what the fuck does this story have to do with SJWs?

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    4. Re:Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... camel sex ...

      So I learned something: Camels lie down to copulate; like lions.

      But I prefer my sex-ed to be more pornographic: Like these elephants. Being the only mammal with muscles in the penis, an elephant can thrust his penis independently of his body.

    5. Re:Old News by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Did some SJW have deadlines and no ideas?

      Now, I'm an ornery son of a bitch with no patience for SJWs, but, really, what the fuck does this story have to do with SJWs?

      Nothing. Absolutely nothing. It's pretty common now to throw "SJW" around indiscriminately. I don't know who to blame, either. Are these SJW-haters, incompetently trying to raise awareness of the problems with every post? Are they SJWs, masquerading as haters in an attempt to discredit them? I kindof prefer the latter, since the former is sheer idiocy. I suspect that it really is idiocy-related, though.

    6. Re:Old News by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure it is SJWs attempting to discredit those who call them on their lies.

  8. Sure - but where is the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, Disney does that. But where is the problem?

    I surely enjoy those products. There is a company making entertainment products - and someone complains they are making entertainment products? Wuh? If you don't like it, you can ignore it.

    As for Star Wars: That is the franchise that literally invented "marketing the hell out of it", so why complain now that Star Wars is used to marketing the hell out of it?

    1. Re:Sure - but where is the problem? by tepples · · Score: 2

      If you don't like it, you can ignore it.

      No I can't. Say I successfully ignore a work, and then I end up getting an original idea and developing it into my own work. If the work turns out too similar in some way to some element of a Disney work, then Disney lawyers can argue that a reasonable person would have had access to its work.

      As for Star Wars: That is the franchise that literally invented "marketing the hell out of it", so why complain now that Star Wars is used to marketing the hell out of it?

      That depends on whether a Disney-controlled Lucasfilm would have immediately shut down the "Star Wars Kid" meme with DMCA complaints.

  9. John Carter by Ecuador · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just to clarify, John Carter flopped only because it had dismal marketing. It was not a masterpiece, but it was certainly better than many other recent blockbusters and with any sort of semi-competent marketing it would have been a (minor or major I don't know) success. I mean (at least until close to release) they had some boring trailers that didn't even tell you obvious things like "from the author of Tarzan" "from the director of Wall E / Finding Nemo" etc.

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    1. Re:John Carter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The title didn't help either. John Carter. Who?

      They should have used the actual title, A Princess of Mars, or at the very least the working title they had which was John Carter of Mars.

    2. Re:John Carter by the_skywise · · Score: 2

      Some of it was marketing but it seemed to almost suffer the same problem as The Rocketeer. Another good (not great) movie that was put together pretty well, decent writing and acting and such but just didn't resonate with most of the movie goers.

    3. Re:John Carter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I really enjoyed John Carter. I remember that the marketing campaign for it instilled nearly no desire for me to see it. The only reason I saw it a year or so after release was because of how big of a flop it was reported to be so I watched it out of curiosity. I was pretty entertained through the whole thing. Whoever was in charge of advertising for that movie should be drawn and quartered.

    4. Re:John Carter by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it was a nice little action movie with some magical sci-fi time travel. I have seen much worse in the name of science (fiction).

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    5. Re:John Carter by adamstew · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I actually enjoyed the John Carter movie.

    6. Re:John Carter by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      You're absolutely right about the title. "Princess of Mars" definitely would have been a better marketing title.

      I actually _liked_ the movie. Compared to most of the crap out there, while it was just a dumb action flick, it had its moments.

      Even if you don't like the movie CinemaSins did a great job pointing out all the stupidity of the movie:
      * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K2yDm-yvcQ

    7. Re:John Carter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need marketing if the movie is good. John Carter was a bad movie and people who went to it didn't recommend it to others and didn't go see it again.

      Bad movies with lots of marketing get an initial hype push and die fast and wasted movie trying to market trash.

    8. Re:John Carter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually liked John Carter too.

    9. Re:John Carter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's based on "Princess of Mars"? That would really have put me off... There happens to be an Esperanto translation of that book ("Princino de Marso") and I happen to have read it and it was one of the worst books I've ever read: ridiculous infantile fantasy with no redeeming features that I could detect. There didn't seem to be anything particularly bad about the translation so I'm fairly confident it accurately reflected the content of the original. So, unless you're going to tell me that the original was written in epic pentameters or something like that...

    10. Re:John Carter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of it was marketing but it seemed to almost suffer the same problem as The Rocketeer. Another good (not great) movie that was put together pretty well, decent writing and acting and such but just didn't resonate with most of the movie goers.

      The Rocketeer was a pretty good action adventure film.
      If they had make a videogame out of it it would have been Crimson Skies in all but name.

    11. Re:John Carter by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      John Carter was actually about as good a film as The Force Awakens.

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    12. Re:John Carter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it was a mediocre movie whose budget far outpaced its value. I'm glad you are so easily entertained, must be easy to find movies you like.

    13. Re:John Carter by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Marketing people tend to do this. "You might think that [X] would be successful. But we tried [X] once, and it didn't work, so obviously [X] doesn't work."

      In fairness, it's not just marketing people, but stupid people in general do this. It's just that marketing people (and this author) are stupid.

    14. Re:John Carter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ridiculous infantile fantasy with no redeeming features that I could detect.

      You say that as if it were a bad thing.

    15. Re:John Carter by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      I'm glad a number of us are stepping forward to say this.

      Viewed through the lens of post-Y2K, yeah, it seems silly. But if you're willing to not worry about realism and enjoy the fantasy, it was a perfectly fine movie that deserved better marketing and less derision.

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    16. Re:John Carter by radarskiy · · Score: 2

      " people who went to it didn't recommend it to others"

      And how do you get the recommenders to go to the movie?

    17. Re:John Carter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just to clarify, John Carter flopped because the plot was uninspiring and confusing, the movie spent too much time explaining the weird plot and too little time showing us action, and the development of some of the main characters was a joke.

      Disclaimer: I am a fan of the books. The original book "A Princess of Mars" had a simple story of hero's journey and romance in a fanciful setting, which is why it was as famous as the Bible. The movie shat all over that, and deserved to flop.

    18. Re:John Carter by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

      Agreed. I actually enjoyed the John Carter movie.

      And I like "Howard the Duck."

    19. Re:John Carter by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Seconded. I saw the preview a dozen times, and thought it looked like it was going to be terrible. I would have gone if a single person had suggested to me it was actually good. It also wasn't until later that I realized it was related to the old books. I haven't read them, but I certainly know of them, and that might have also made me curious. Not having read the books, I did not know the name John Carter at all.

    20. Re:John Carter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No it flopped because we have rovers on mars and didnt see anf of the Martians, just wasn't believable. Martians = 1950's, these days it better be a distant planet accessed by black hole portal or gtfo.

    21. Re:John Carter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now you've gone too far.

    22. Re:John Carter by Outta_the_way_peck! · · Score: 1

      They did make a video game out of it.

    23. Re:John Carter by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Curiously, I'd *literally* (and mostly by accident) just read the first book when I happened to see it on cable or in a hotel somewhere, I was actually rather quite impressed with their fidelity to the story.

      It wasn't perfect, of course, but it was pretty good by Hollywood standards (and a quintillion times better than the Hobbit standard).

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    24. Re:John Carter by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      The title didn't help either. John Carter. Who?

      They should have used the actual title, A Princess of Mars, or at the very least the working title they had which was John Carter of Mars.

      The title was a misfire from Disney. They were aiming hard at the young boy market who would have been turned off by the princess label. Also, Stanton left off the "of Mars" title because John Carter only becomes of Mars in the last minutes of the film. Also, Mars Needs Moms earlier was such a huge flop that the studio wanted to avoid mentioning the word in any movie title.

    25. Re:John Carter by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      John Carter was ok.

      Hell, it would have been considered a success given its box office if it only cost $50 million to make. But the exorbitant cost meant it absolutely needed to earn super-blockbuster numbers, but it was released off-season in March (and wouldn't have been that much more successful if it was a summer film).

    26. Re:John Carter by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Let's get something clear: John Carter didn't flop because of the source material. John Carter flopped because it was a terrible movie. From the music choices, the casting, the horribly stilted dialog, the mishmash story, unimpressive sets, this film was Doomed.

      Eh? John Carter's music was great (Film music critics associations agreed that it was the best sci-fi/fantasy soundtrack of the year). Lynn Colins was great as Dejah Thoris. Taylor Kitsch was... ehhh. Bland. Dafoe was great, but I can't say the rest of the cast had much going for them.

      The story was a jumble and definitely overlong. I don't remember the dialog either way. The sets were fantastic. Effects were similarly great. But it was a mid-level film, in a mid-level time slot, and it made mid-level money. But it needed to earn AAA Blockbuster money, so that is what doomed it. Sci-Fi nerds know about Edgar Rice Burrough's Mars series, but no one else knows or even cares when you tell them, so it's hard to say it's an adaptation people were really anticipating either.

    27. Re:John Carter by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      The music reminded me of the soundtrack on the historical dramas on "wonderful world of color". So much so that I thought this was a design cue or a callback to those shows.

      Lynn Colins was too old for the part.

      Taylor Kitsch was just about as colorless a main character as you could find anywhere.

      The flying machines didn't make any senses in the context of the story, and just looked silly. Costumes were not much of anything. Disney had decades of Frank Frazetta and Michael Whelan art at their disposal, much of which would be ready-made storyboards, and instead decided to go cyberpunk. The film was one huge missed opportunity.

      I wouldn't consider a $250M budget "mid-level", even in this day. It's pretty obvious that all of that money did not end up on the screen. I wonder where the remainder went.

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    28. Re:John Carter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better in most ways. Everyone I've shown it to has been stunned by how good it is.

      Yeah, John Carter flopped because they gave the director too much control over the title (John Who?). He assumed everyone was as familiar with the Burroughs books as he was, and would know who John Carter was already. So he could add the "of Mars" at the end as an artistic touch. The Pixar people rubbing the non-Pixar people at Disney the wrong way with a sense of their own awesomeness didn't help either.

      The film was the pet project of an executive who left Disney before it was complete, so his replacement didn't give the marketing guys any kind of decent direction on how to sell the film (knowing it was a sci-fi film would have helped). Plus you have the "Firefly" effect, where the hero being an ex-confederate soldier must have rankled some feathers at Disney in the wrong places.

    29. Re:John Carter by JakartaDean · · Score: 1

      But if you're willing to not worry about realism and enjoy the fantasy...

      Seriously, in a discussion about Star Wars TFA? I've seen the movie and, while I haven't seen John Carter it would be hard pressed to be less realistic ;-)

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    30. Re:John Carter by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I never even heard of it until earlier this year when I saw it on someone's list on IMDB or something. The name as well is horridly generic, as the next poster notes. A movie with that name could be damned near anything, even a Buckaroo Banzai spinoff!

    31. Re:John Carter by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Costumes were not much of anything. Disney had decades of Frank Frazetta and Michael Whelan art at their disposal, much of which would be ready-made storyboards, and instead decided to go cyberpunk

      Holy smokes, I did not get much of a cyberpunk vibe from those costumes! I actually rather liked the costuming and the look, it was one of the few saving graces when the plot or the actors bored me.

      I wouldn't consider a $250M budget "mid-level", even in this day.

      Oh, absolutely not, but the result was mid-level. The film had to be rewritten and many sequences even reshot, so you got a $100m film for the low, low price of $250m. I still think it's a mid-level film, but the budget was so high that it had to be close to "#1 film of the year" territory to even break even.

    32. Re:John Carter by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      > [...] but the result was mid-level. The film had to be rewritten and many sequences even reshot, so you got a $100m film for the low, low price of $250m. I still think it's a mid-level film, but the budget was so high that it had to be close to "#1 film of the year" territory to even break even.

      With that stipulation, we are in agreement. But seriously -- you saw the trailers. Disney had lost hope of the film being a hit, or even a near miss, before it was even released. (Justified, in my opinion.)

      Full disclosure: I really REALLY hated John Carter. I disliked pretty much everything about it. (Except, I have to say, the framing story of Burroughs inheriting Carter's memoirs and the tomb that could only be opened from the inside. That was reasonably cool.) I'm willing to admit that my rabid dislike for that expensive waste of time colors any discussions I can have about it.

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  10. Criticism of copyright in The LEGO Movie by tepples · · Score: 1

    From the featured article:

    The Lego Group, a privately held Danish firm, already does business with the company, licensing products (including Star Wars) and placing shops at Disney’s theme parks. It would make an obvious target for the firm that has already bought up so many other pieces of your childhood.

    That would certainly be a clash of corporate culture. The Walt Disney Company's history of banning fan works and lobbying for copyright maximalism wouldn't mesh so well with the criticism of copyright shown in the third act of the The LEGO Movie (huge spoilers).

    1. Re:Criticism of copyright in The LEGO Movie by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That's kind of strange, isn't it? We can cite Cracked and actually have it be a valid citation much of the time. Some of their writers do their homework. Who'd have thought you'd be citing Cracked Magazine as an authoritative source?

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  11. John Carter failed on epically bad marketing by damn_registrars · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Every trailer and commercial I saw for that movie came across with the message that I should already know who John Carter was. Hence as I had no idea I had no interest in the commercials, trailers, or the movie itself. I'm still not familiar with the character. They could have introduced it much better to get people to care about it; think of how Rambo: First Blood was able to get us to care about a new character for example. Instead they tried to get us to care about the character through brute force, those who didn't go for it just stayed away and the movie flopped.

    Hell just a better title would have gone a long ways towards bringing in customers. Even Borat had enough of an extended title to give people some idea what they were getting in to or why they might want to see it.

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    1. Re:John Carter failed on epically bad marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The trailers and other marketing material made very little, if any, mention of a man waking up on mars. Just showing some sandy dunes and wacky cavemen riding strange beasts does not conjure thoughts of mars in most reasonable humans.

    2. Re:John Carter failed on epically bad marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh come on... you mean the fact that this took place on Mars didn't interest you at all? You have to know who the main character is before you see a movie?

      It takes place on Mars? The movie title just talks about someone named "John Carter".

    3. Re:John Carter failed on epically bad marketing by Jiro · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The movie was titled "John Carter", not "John Carter of Mars". You're not going to know that it takes place on Mars.

    4. Re:John Carter failed on epically bad marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, that's exactly how the character was created.

      There's so little about him on Earth, that he effectively springs forth anew on Mars.

      Especially not stuff most people would relate to, like being a Confederate officer.

    5. Re:John Carter failed on epically bad marketing by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

      Oh come on... you mean the fact that this took place on Mars didn't interest you at all? You have to know who the main character is before you see a movie?

      If the title of the movie is the name of a character from said movie - and I have never heard of that character before - then I'm going to need the movie studio to at least give me some useful information in the trailers and commercials. There was nothing particularly Martian or Martian-esque in those to suggest that it was happening in any interesting location. If they had called it "John Carter stranded on Mars" it may have caught my eye - and the eyes of others as well I suspect - enough to get me to consider at least looking in to what it was about.

      If someone released a movie tomorrow called "Steve Johnson", would you want to see it based only on that title? What if the commercials just showed Steve running around doing nothing that looked particularly unusual for a movie?

      Their marketing utterly failed to tell me anything useful. I suspect I am not the only person who felt that way.

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    6. Re:John Carter failed on epically bad marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      think of how Rambo: First Blood was able to get us to care about a new character for example.

      Which was only called First Blood. There is no mention of "Rambo" on the movie poster or in any tagline (that I know of).

      The first sequal was "Rambo: First Blood Part II" then they dropped all that shit for "Rambo III". It wasn't until 2008 that they even realized their mistake and the state of California made them go back and make Rambo.

      But your point still stands. "Rambo" is practically a word in the dictionary if it isn't already. They told us what the first movie was about, "First Blood" - who killed first, and then later everybody cared more about the character.

  12. Stupid Mouse by zenlessyank · · Score: 0

    And Stupid Article So Non-Tech & Toothless.

  13. Ability to throw its lobbying weight around by tepples · · Score: 2

    It may not be tech, but Disney's acquisitions bolster its clout in the market. And with its history of copyright maximalist lobbying, a bigger Disney is certainly YRO.

  14. Fuck Disney by AndyKron · · Score: 1, Troll

    If I know it's a Disney product I avoid it. I don't NEED to see Star Wars.

  15. Alternate reading: Buy boyhood by chispito · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's my simpler version. With it's princess industry, Disney already owned the market for girls from birth to... well, death. They had no hooks for boys though. So they bought Marvel and Star Wars.

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    1. Re:Alternate reading: Buy boyhood by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Boyhood isn't Marvel and Star Wars. Boyhood is wandering outside, following streams and throwing rocks. But that is the madness of our age, isn't it? Things have to be a certain way, and if you don't conform, you're a weirdo who shouldn't be trusted. Don't let your boys play with Marvel heroes...that's right up there with child abuse. Keep your eyes open...they might be Christians or worse. If you see something, say something.

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    2. Re:Alternate reading: Buy boyhood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not sexist or anything. Right now my son's favorite show is about a Disney princess: Star vs the Forces of Evil

    3. Re:Alternate reading: Buy boyhood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that's the thing, isn't it? Most of boyhood, as it has been for thousands of years, is now mostly illegal and definitely socially frowned upon.

      The marketing aspect is less of a concern except there isn't much cool stuff for boys to do, regardless of who is branding it. I mean the great coup for girls was feeding into their princess fantasies. For boys, there isn't even an archetype, just a red button marked "consume".

    4. Re:Alternate reading: Buy boyhood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, Star is more of a tomboy, out for adventure and fighting well, evil, than your average Princess.

    5. Re:Alternate reading: Buy boyhood by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      My nephew is 10 years old. He has never ONCE been outside on his own more than 100 yards from his house. The worst part is i cant say shit about it or his parents look at me like a grew a third eye.

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    6. Re:Alternate reading: Buy boyhood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... on his own more than 100 yards from his house.

      Ditto, although he's 12 and is finishing primary school. He seems to be at an unusual point on the normality curve: Smart enough for life to be 'easy' but not interested in seeing more of the world. He thinks 'Tanki' is the best game ever and all those pop-up warnings on web-sites are the absolute truth. He's not ready to face the real world, which makes me wonder how he'll handle the emotional bitterness of junior high.

    7. Re:Alternate reading: Buy boyhood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My nephew is 10 years old. He has never ONCE been outside on his own more than 100 yards from his house. The worst part is i cant say shit about it or his parents look at me like a grew a third eye.

      And if they actually had let him out of their sight, they likely would have been arrested and charged with neglect or endangerment or some other such nonsense. Haven't you read the articles about parents getting arrested for letting their children walk home on their own?

    8. Re:Alternate reading: Buy boyhood by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Imagine if Disney sold toxic chemicals to your kids with some addictive flavouring to keep them hooked. That's pretty much what the versions of femininity and masculinity it sells are.

      All the girls are beautiful princesses whose main goal in life is to meet the equally perfect prince charming and marry him. The guys are all strong and square jawed, but typically a bit dumb.

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    9. Re:Alternate reading: Buy boyhood by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      Imagine if Disney sold toxic chemicals to your kids with some addictive flavouring to keep them hooked. That's pretty much what the versions of femininity and masculinity it sells are.

      The rest of the world disagrees with your assessment. Regardless of your ideology, ruminate on this: Lego used to target generic blocks at all kids and they almost went out of business. They started targeting narrow demographics and they made tons of money.

      Likewise, Disney is not creating the demand, they're simply satisfying it.

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    10. Re:Alternate reading: Buy boyhood by chispito · · Score: 1

      Imagine if Disney sold toxic chemicals to your kids with some addictive flavouring to keep them hooked. That's pretty much what the versions of femininity and masculinity it sells are.

      All the girls are beautiful princesses whose main goal in life is to meet the equally perfect prince charming and marry him. The guys are all strong and square jawed, but typically a bit dumb.

      Except they're clearly trending away from those classic tropes with films like Brave and Frozen. And I don't even know what to make of Inside Out, but it sure as hell doesn't support your assertion.

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    11. Re:Alternate reading: Buy boyhood by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Pixar films are generally much better, but even the supposedly progressive Disney ones are still terrible. Frozen, for example, still has all the princess and charming prince crap in there. Maybe Lilo and Stitch was about the furthest they got from it, before regressing.

      It's kinda odd that many of their princesses are very young to. Ariel and Jasmin were about 15, and ended up with adult guys in relationships that would be illegal in many places.

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  16. Carter series by __aagigi1968 · · Score: 1

    Hardly suprising the Carter film bombed,it was one of a bloody awful series of novels,erb,was hardly the most popular author when new,now they are truly awful in comparison with more modern stuff. erb had a strange use of "english",even for his times,these days it just grates.. You would have to work very hard to make a decent film based on anything of erb's output... But then everyone compares so called flops to the most successful novel,film,series etc,and when you have dire over-hyped rubbish like star wars breaking records,nearly everything else will be considered a flop,wether it's any good or not..

    1. Re:Carter series by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      ,erb,was hardly the most popular author when new

      Untrue. In his day, Burroughs was a best seller. Conservative estimates are that he sold 30 million books, while more generous estimates range up to 60 million. John Carter was popular but never his biggest seller--that, of course, was Tarzan. I note that Disney's animated Tarzan movie did quite well for itself.

  17. Avoiding Disney isn't so easy by tepples · · Score: 0

    A lot of grocery stores license a background music feed to play over the speaker system when an announcement isn't being played. This might be a song from a Disney movie's soundtrack, such as "When You Wish Upon a Star" from Pinocchio or "Let It Go" from Frozen. Or it might be a song by a Disney-backed recording artist such as Miley Cyrus or the Jonas Brothers. How do you avoid Disney in a grocery store?

    "But at least I'm not buying it." Think again. The grocery store is paying for background music out of a fraction of your grocery bill.

    Another situation: The FCC rules appear to allow U.S. cable companies to make certain services available only to those who have purchased its most basic TV tier. This usually doesn't include Disney's ESPN, which is usually in the second tier, but it does include the local affiliate of Disney's ABC. So if your Internet connection is faster than DSL, you're paying a cable company that's paying Disney.

    1. Re:Avoiding Disney isn't so easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, you're 100% correct. And since rapists and murderers speak the English language we should all take vows of silence or we're just as guilty as they are.
       
      Tell me, why do you have to go on such a contrived path of logic to get people to accept Disney? Are you a shareholder?
       
      We may not be able to completely distance ourselves from undesirable elements of the world but that doesn't mean that we should just throw our hands in the air and give into their every desire either. The world is not so black and white, you know.

  18. Lost my vote by rholtzjr · · Score: 0

    Sorry, they lost my vote when they laid off their entire IT department and replaced with H1B's.
    Shame on you Disney!

    1. Re:Lost my vote by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

      Why single out Disney?

      Disney laid off a few hundred. Companies like Microsoft, and IBM, have replaced US workers with H1B by the tens of thousands, and it has been going on for decades.

    2. Re:Lost my vote by rholtzjr · · Score: 1

      Who says I already haven't ;)

    3. Re:Lost my vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems you're off by a factor of 10. Even assuming that absolutely every single one of Microsoft or IBM's H1B's literally replaced a US worker, and every single H1B visa was an initial approval where the job magically evaporated within three years, you'd need an entire decade to hit ten thousand, let alone tens of thousands.

      See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-1B_visa#H-1B_Applications_Approved

    4. Re:Lost my vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you assume that just because the OP doesn't list ever company he's turned his back on that he hasn't turned it on others? Why do we have to list everything in life we're disgruntled by or an asshat like you comes along and screams "What about the starving children in teh Africazx!?!?!?!?1!11!!!?!"
       
      Most of us here that work IT make some portion of our wages by dealing with the companies you have named and most of us deal with them at home, true. But if you can't turn your back on a 100% entertainment company like Disney then you've got problems. Disney could fall off the planet today and the only real harm would be those who work for Disney. Microsoft falling off the planet? That's a great deal different. A lot of people would suffer as any large tech company dissolves. Even tech companies that aren't as enterprise driven (such as Apple) are a much bigger deal than Disney when it comes down to daily life.
       
      Again, SW:TFA is a movie. If you are so hung up about seeing this movie that you're willing to sacrifice your feelings of justice then it's you who has the problem. At the end of the day you set your own priorities and we're free to judge based on those priorities. I can sympathize with the IT worker who's unwilling to give up their bread and butter because of what IBM does. I cannot give a damn about what some 40-something says when trying to justify their lust for their youth. It's a frigging film. If it was never made you'd be no worse off. If you never seen it you'd be no worse off. This isn't your livelihood that you've poured a serious percentage of your life into obtaining. It's a kids' movie.
       
      Slashdot has shown us once again that it has no sense of priorities or perspective. It's crap like this that makes me not wonder why society is going down the abysmal path that it is following. It's not understandable, just par for the course.

    5. Re:Lost my vote by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Sorry, they lost my vote when they laid off their entire IT department and replaced with H1B's.
      Shame on you Disney!

      Well, not all of Disney I. It was the IT staff at Walt Disney World Florida, and not all of them either. Then there were the Disney/ABC layoffs, but those were strangely halted their layoff efforts, probably in response to the backlash.

  19. Obligatory Mel Brooks by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 2

    An article at The Economist details this strategy, which seems to have a central theme: buy up things people loved as kids, and commercialize the hell out of them. The recent Star Wars film is the latest example — the marketing blitz around it (and its related merchandise) was a sight to behold.

    Yogurt: Merchandising, merchandising, where the real money from the movie is made. Spaceballs-the T-shirt, Spaceballs-the Coloring Book, Spaceballs-the Lunch box, Spaceballs-the Breakfast Cereal, Spaceballs-the Flame Thrower.
    [turns it on]
    Dink, Dink, Dink, Dink, Dink, Dink: Ooooh!
    Yogurt: [reacts to dinks] The kids love this one.
    [a dink hands him a doll that looks likes Yogurt]
    Yogurt: And last but not least, Spaceballs the doll, me.
    [pulls string]
    Doll: May the schwartz be with you!
    Yogurt: [kisses the doll] Adorable.

    1. Re:Obligatory Mel Brooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is Mel Brooks still alive and kicking?
      Will we see The Farce Awakens soon?

    2. Re:Obligatory Mel Brooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Obligatory Mel Brooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but the title will be "Spaceballs 2: The Search for More Money"

  20. Agreed, but try telling kids this by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm an "old" dad of 2 little kids. They're both Disney fanatics as well as big fans of other "corporate media" properties. I think some perspective is required here. Of course it makes sense for Disney to buy up things like the Star Wars franchise, LEGO (perhaps) and other 80s-kid favorites. Why? Because people who were kids in the 80s and 90s are now in their 30s and 40s, and have a lot of discretionary income to spend. I was born in '75, so I do remember my childhood being filled with a lot of true innovations in technology -- personal computers, all sorts of "new" electronic toys, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, etc. These days, the innovation is focused mainly on getting that computer in your pocket to do cool new things, but this era was a little different in that everything "computery" in the kid space was totally new. So, Disney is targeting the older parents for 2 reasons -- first, people are waiting longer to have kids, and second, those who do are having fewer and are in a better position to buy stuff from Disney. I'm sure they go after younger parents too, but younger parents are usually stretched pretty thin compared to someone who's had time to acquire some stability in their lives.

    I think the key is to make sure your kids understand that even though they love their media properties, they need to remain skeptical of marketing. I'm completely unaffected by advertising, but I am seeing that my 5 year old is now starting to inquire about add-ons to "free to play" apps. I don't love the fact that the marketers are manipulating his brain, but it's a fact of life. I've explained to him (in 5 year old terms) that things cost money, that parents have to work for money, that advertisers are only trying to get you to spend more money on their product and that he shouldn't believe everything they say. It's semi-effective. We don't let them sit in front of the TV, computer or iPad forever, and don't expose them to a million commercials.

    It's fine to let kids and adults enjoy Disney or whatever -- they're an entertainment business, it makes sense that people enjoy their output. The problem comes when people shut off their brains and let the advertisers in.

    1. Re:Agreed, but try telling kids this by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

      This is made worse by the fact that kids, often, lose interest in their new toys by the next day.

    2. Re:Agreed, but try telling kids this by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

      Yup, definitely agree on this, have seen it several times.

      I'm by no means a model parent, but one of the things we've been pretty good about is not succumbing to every single demand. You'd be surprised how many parents have trouble with this; it's easier to agree than say no. I've seen lots of workaholic families who replace their kid time with stuff, parents going through divorces and other major crap just buying off their kids, etc. Advertisers/marketers love this because they don't even have to try too hard.

    3. Re:Agreed, but try telling kids this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, blame your kids for having parents that are unwilling to say no. What a wise idea.

    4. Re:Agreed, but try telling kids this by fropenn · · Score: 3, Informative

      Getting you to believe that you are completely unaffected by advertising is a key goal of advertisers. Beware.

    5. Re:Agreed, but try telling kids this by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      This is made worse by the fact that kids, often, lose interest in their new toys by the next day.

      As a parent of a 5 and 7-year-old this is somewhat true, yes. The exception that causes parenting stress is apps on tablets. My kids *never* grow tired of them. They would play them day after day after day if I let them. My son has been playing Angry Birds for two years and would play tomorrow if I would let him.

      We buy them all this physical stuff, when all they want is a tablet and apps.

    6. Re:Agreed, but try telling kids this by tepples · · Score: 1

      We buy them all this physical stuff, when all they want is a tablet and apps.

      And more smurfberries or other consumable "energy" IAPs to feed to the "free" apps.

    7. Re:Agreed, but try telling kids this by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      This isnt limited to kids. In the past i would hold on to technology for a long time. I grew to LOVE my walkman over its years of operation. Now everything is dynamic, chances are even if you have something for years and love it, they company ends up updating it to something you dont love.

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    8. Re:Agreed, but try telling kids this by eth1 · · Score: 1

      I think the key is to make sure your kids understand that even though they love their media properties, they need to remain skeptical of marketing. I'm completely unaffected by advertising, but I am seeing that my 5 year old is now starting to inquire about add-ons to "free to play" apps. I don't love the fact that the marketers are manipulating his brain, but it's a fact of life. I've explained to him (in 5 year old terms) that things cost money, that parents have to work for money, that advertisers are only trying to get you to spend more money on their product and that he shouldn't believe everything they say. It's semi-effective. We don't let them sit in front of the TV, computer or iPad forever, and don't expose them to a million commercials.

      It's fine to let kids and adults enjoy Disney or whatever -- they're an entertainment business, it makes sense that people enjoy their output. The problem comes when people shut off their brains and let the advertisers in.

      When I was growing up in the 80s and 90s (I'm two years younger than you), my parents got me a subscription to Penny Power (later Zillions) magazine, which was published by Consumers Union as a kid-focused Consumer Reports, and taught pretty much exactly what you're talking about. I think that's mainly responsible for turning me into the anti-marketing cynic I am today. Unfortunately, I'm not aware of anything similar currently avialable (Zillions went online-only in 2000, I think). That's assuming you could pull the kids away from their electronic devices long enough to actually read it...

    9. Re:Agreed, but try telling kids this by lgw · · Score: 1

      It's easy if you don't expose yourself to advertising. That's far harder with kids.

      I don't watch TV in the ways that come with ads, I don't listen to radio with ads (I listen to public radio, but the kind that plays music, not the kind that's mostly NPR and discussions, which are their own form of ads), I run adblock on my browser. I do see the occasional billboard, I guess.

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    10. Re:Agreed, but try telling kids this by jratcliffe · · Score: 1

      I'm completely unaffected by advertising

      Ad agencies love people who think this.

  21. John Carter was awsome by wakeboarder · · Score: 2

    Disney was too stupid and released it on a busy weekend in the US, it did quite well internationally.

    1. Re:John Carter was awsome by xeno · · Score: 2

      That ain't than half of it. This was epically bad timing not because of its placement on a specific weekend, but because Disney tanked an opportunity for a 100-year anniversary of one of the seminal pieces of science fiction.

      The original John Carter story, "A Princess of Mars" was published in 1912.
      The "John Carter" movie was released in 2012.
      The utter morons who marketed this thought "Ooo, old = bad. Give it a new name, and pretend it's some fantasy epic we thought up."

      So instead of marketing something like this is the story from which virtually every modern scifi epic draws ( the princess, the alien sidekick, the man out of place, teleportation, gravity technology, planetary migration, resource wars, solar power, etc etc -- *all* drawn from Princess of Mars).... No, instead we have people seeing the movie with no context and panning it because it seemed derivative -- a full century later. What a sad waste of an opportunity to celebrate the whole history of scifi.

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    2. Re:John Carter was awsome by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      "So instead of marketing something like this is the story from which virtually every modern scifi epic draws ( the princess, the alien sidekick, the man out of place, teleportation, gravity technology, planetary migration, resource wars, solar power, etc etc -- *all* drawn from Princess of Mars)"

      More than anything else, this is why i watched this movie. The story is the genesis of many things.

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  22. Disney must continually renw itself by peter303 · · Score: 1

    They are like the "Apple of family entertainment" a roller coaster of highs and lows. Some highs:
    Musical cartoon (1920s)
    Feature length cartoon. (1930s)
    Color TV show (1950s)
    Family friendly theme park (1950s)
    Family movies (1960s)
    Revived cartoon musical (1990s)
    Pixar, Marvel and LucasFilms (2000s)

    1. Re:Disney must continually renw itself by swb · · Score: 1

      Their biggest challenge now, IMHO, is keeping the theme parks usable.

      IIRC, the Disneyworld property alone currently has more hotel rooms than Orlando had people when Disneyworld opened.

      They've expanded the Magic Kingdom park itself a small amount, and of course added 3 other parks, but current ride paradigm they have (and most of the rides) just can't accommodate the number of people they can actually pack into the parks.

      FastPass helps, kind of, but even then you often have long-ish waits and you end up on some kind of un-vacation like schedule to get on the rides. Without it? You can wait for hours.

      They need to re-think how they do rides there as they move forward. IMHO, make fewer individual rides, but make the ones they do install longer, and have them be the Omnimover kind that feature continuous loading and unloading, so that they have more capacity.

  23. Producers are out of ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Traditional content creators are running out of ideas and quite honestly, pushing the old remakes and "reality shows" way too hard. Maybe society as a whole won't go to a movie or watch something unless it has an expensive shock and awe impact? Sspectacular explosions, lifelike CGI, and situations beyond reality like cars falling out of airplanes and landing on four wheels and speeding off.

    Maybe copyright extensions are too blame? Maybe corporate greed and extracting the most profit? I don't follow Hollywood or the movie/TV scene enough to form an opinion.

    Ideally in this mix is a real chance for indie and fresh new ideas and movies but in our world of extreme cross promotion and in your face flooding of "news" about a new movie or new album release, it seems unlikely.

    At least we have much easier ways to get access to other content now, not just what the big players want us to spend money on.

  24. ESPN is killing Disney by walterbyrd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In spite of Star Wars success, Disney is down hard. DIS in now around $108, it was over $122 a few months back.

    ESPN is a huge part of Disney's revenue, and profits, and ESPN has been losing subscribers since 2010.

    Whenever a stock analyst wants Disney cheaper, they just trumpet the "news" that ESPN is losing subscribers, and Disney gets trounced. This usually happens about two months.

    1. Re:ESPN is killing Disney by ErichTheRed · · Score: 2

      "ESPN is a huge part of Disney's revenue, and profits, and ESPN has been losing subscribers since 2010."

      That, and content for ESPN costs a bundle to acquire. Paying for the rights to a major sport's broadcasts requires astronomical sums, so they have to be sure profit is there. They've been losing subscribers, in my opinion, because there just aren't as many sports-crazed people as there once were. There's so many other entertainment choices, many of them having nothing to do with athletic activity. Earlier on there were fewer choices -- Sunday afternoons were dominated by the NFL way more than they are now. As the hardcore sports nut demographic ages out, there's fewer newbies to take the place of the older fans. That's not saying there are no sports-obsessed people out there; no one would argue that. It's just that the replacement rate is trending lower. ESPN needs to deal with that fact by lowering costs.

    2. Re:ESPN is killing Disney by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Cable (and ESPN) are priced too high right now.
      And too many commercials (52 minutes content in 1960... 39 minutes content today per hour).

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  25. I can give them a hint by shaitand · · Score: 1

    It isn't because John Carter is a new franchise. It's because the movie sucked and it wasn't that popular of subject matter in the first place.

    1. Re:I can give them a hint by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      It isn't because John Carter is a new franchise. It's because the movie sucked and it wasn't that popular of subject matter in the first place.

      sucked, agreed. Not popular... I dunno, maybe these days. There was talk of Disney acquiring the franchise back in the eighties (where we were discussing it on this thing called Usenet. (get off my lawn...)) so John Carter must have been in some form of development hell for a very long time -- long enough for the original fan base to die off or, I dunno, get interested in other things. I'm writing this as a big fan of the novels. I would really like to see a more print-accurate, or at least, a more watchable, Frank Frazetta or Michael Whelan - inspired version. But we'll probably never get to see that now, because the word is out "nobody wants to see a barsoom movie". Sad.

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    2. Re:I can give them a hint by shaitand · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying there is no fan base or the books sucked. But you need a huge fan base for major film adaptations to do well purely on that basis alone.

      If the movie had been an amazing piece of work on it's own and popularized enough it might have worked regardless but if you want a guaranteed winner you need to pick something popular enough for it to have it's own major con at the least.

      LOTR was a no brainer. Anyone who made LOTR movies that didn't suck entirely had a license to print money and even one that sucked epically would have made money from the sheet massive fan base going to watch it in order to find out it sucked.

      A song of fire and ice had a pretty large fan base but honestly I think great material combined with the fan base of HBO originals combined to make it an epic fan base. Pre game of thrones, that would be a movie that flopped despite having a larger fan base to begin with than the John Carter material. Post game of thrones it would be a guaranteed mint, even if it sucked (again, flaw in looking at opening box office sales to judge movie success is those tickets were bought not knowing if the movie sucked or not).

      For those of us who are fantasy fans and for the comic book fans as well this is a great time. Hollywood has discovered those movies can sell and sell on a truely epic level so it will give many of us the movie(s) that we think our favorite books deserve. Eventually though it will figure out there are probably only half a dozen book series that actually have a massive enough following to guarantee a profit. Once it comes down to actual quality of material + translatability to a screen it will dry up. Hollywood isn't interested in actually finding what is good, it wants titles that sell regardless of content.

      I'm a huge Wheel of Time fan and I wouldn't be surprised to see them give that a shot with the kind of money harry potter and marvel material has drawn in. It is the best selling fantasy series of all time and for awhile comprised 60% of all Tor's profits. I'll go and hope the author's widow enjoys the proceeds as it was a truly epic and complex web across millions of words. But either they will condense it and it will be a movie that maybe shares some major character names and general concepts with the books or it will suck and suck in a very epic way, I mean worse than "The Stand" series suck. That story could be made into a set of good movies and it would take several movies to pull it off and they should stick with the story arc for the most part but there definitely would need to be some adaptation.

    3. Re:I can give them a hint by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      I don't think you have to depend on the fan base for a movie to be popular. Movies scale differently from novels. I think that a large fan base is an indication that there is material that might make a popular movie, not the bare numbers thing that print fans = movie fans, $profit$.

      The problem with going with material that has a proven track record in a different medium, is that (1) there is the issue of translation into a different medium, and (2) let's face it, if the implementation sucks, the very best story material won't save it.

      Although there are lots of films that made money despite being terrible films, in general, I think that if you're telling a good story on a reasonable way people will tend to want to see it, and if you screw up enough of the film elements, people will tend not to want to see it regardless of the quality of the original material. (There are exceptions, of course.)

      But if a film fails because the film itself sucked, the studio will try to spin it as (a) nobody was interested in the source material, (b) that genre is overdone, (c) the show was up against insurmountable competition, anything except the fact it was a bad movie.

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    4. Re:I can give them a hint by shaitand · · Score: 1

      " I think that a large fan base is an indication that there is material that might make a popular movie, not the bare numbers thing that print fans = movie fans, $profit$"

      I think there is a little of both. A massive bare number volume of print fans means a guaranteed audience and if it is massive enough (Harry Potter, LOTR, The Hobbit) you have a sure thing even if the movie actually sucks. But more importantly a large bare number volume of print fans means name recognition. It means word of mouth spreading about the material, everyone who has actually read the books tells a dozen friends, spreads it on social media, etc.

      " I think that if you're telling a good story on a reasonable way people will tend to want to see it, and if you screw up enough of the film elements, people will tend not to want to see it"

      How exactly does one assess either of those things BEFORE they see the movie? Movie bombs in the box office because there was no interest, then explodes in rentals, netflix, premium channels (hbo, showtime, etc) because it was a great film. That movie is and forever will be considered a flop.

      Books sell because they are great stories. Movies sell because they peak the curiosity and interest of lots of people. Films don't need a quality story, they need have a very simple and easy to follow plot, (you can't re-read, you can't slow down for the important parts, you can't read the characters thoughts, and it's a far more passive medium with far less focus from the audience in the first place vs a book), a few witty lines, and enough visual and auditory candy to keep people from noticing the lack of depth.

    5. Re:I can give them a hint by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      > How exactly does one assess either of those things BEFORE they see the movie?

      Well, it's assumed that the people involved in making the film have some taste, and can see if the film is coming together or not, and if the storyline is compelling or not. There are also test audiences if the director and producers can't make themselves critique it objectively.

      > Movie bombs in the box office because there was no interest, then explodes in rentals, netflix, premium channels (hbo, showtime, etc) because it was a great film. That movie is and forever will be considered a flop.

      That's a little different. Sometimes movies bomb because the marketing was to the wrong audience or just didn't work. And ok, sometimes there's just no accounting for taste. For instance, I *liked* Pluto Nash, own the DVD, and have watched it several times. Don't judge me!

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  26. Re:Should have named John Carter Princess of Mars by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

    the term princess is a microagression of the manocentric maleocracy as a feminine "derivative" of a male title

    You have won the internets.

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  27. Why buy childhood when you can buy congress? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Disney have repeatedly and successfully lobbied for increases of the H1B scheme, and are notorious abusers and beneficiaries of it.

    Paul Ryan has just gifted them a 400% increase in the number of H2-B visas issued. To be used for, surprise, surprise, cheap labor at theme parks.

    Copyright terms get extended every time Micky Mouse or Snow White approach the public domain.

    Bought attorney generals and corrupt judges are working to sink fantasy sports sites, the NFL's plan-B to preserve revenue as ESPN subscription decline. (This increases Disney's chances of getting a larger slice of a shrinking pie at the expense of the leagues.)

    Yada, yada, yada.

    It's a sad day when I agree with a pathetic old cook like Bernie Sanders, but the US is controlled by evil corporations, and none are more evil that Disney.

    Defund DSNY!

  28. Re:The John Carter movie was badly written by Steve1952 · · Score: 2

    Speaking as a fan of the actual Edgar Rice Burroughs "John Carter" books, I think that a big problem was that the Disney version was badly written. It felt as if they removed any sections where the book version of John Carter showed any intelligence, turned the heroine into a spoiled selfish brat, combined books 1 and 2 in a blender, and then filmed the result. Very painful to watch!

  29. All of congress, not just Ryan by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    You say "Paul Ryan" but it was all of congress, including almost every Democrat, that sold us all down the river.

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  30. Re:Fuck Disney by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

    May The Farce Be With You!!

  31. They're kind on Youtube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    vs riaa affiliates who'll never see an intentional dollar from me again.

  32. Pay Model Flop? by tomxor · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I'm no avengbusters:sharkgedon fan and i thought John Carter was an ok (not amazing) film that would be happily received by most sci-fi fans.

    I guess this is the problem with pay up front model - it mostly rewards marketing... what about all of those terrible films that did great at the box office and pretty much nobody thought was good?

  33. It's about avoiding copyright infringement by tepples · · Score: 1

    Tell me, why do you have to go on such a contrived path of logic

    Because it resembles the contrived paths that I've seen copyright owners' counsel use successfully to convince a federal judge to find an alleged infringer liable.

    A copyright owner seeks to control not only its own works but other works substantially similar to it. To prove copyright infringement in a U.S. court, a copyright owner must prove three things: ownership of copyright, the infringer's access to the original work, and substantial similarity of the works. This means avoiding infringement requires avoiding either similarity or access. I was trying to point out the difficulty of successfully avoiding access.

    to get people to accept Disney?

    I don't want people to accept Disney. I want people to accept that copyright is unfit for its stated purpose.

  34. Doing it right by phorm · · Score: 1

    You know what, if Disney can buy up rights to older but popular movies and release sequels that are good, that doesn't seem like a problem to me. By all measures, the new Star Wars movie is a huge success. Disney made a killing at the box-office (and I'm sure just as much so with merchandising), but - at least currently - it seems deserved, more-so than the crappy prequels.

    Just because it's Disney - and they're making money - does't mean it's bad.

  35. John Carter by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Let's get something clear: John Carter didn't flop because of the source material. John Carter flopped because it was a terrible movie. From the music choices, the casting, the horribly stilted dialog, the mishmash story, unimpressive sets, this film was Doomed. It pissed off the source material's fan base and left everyone else going "wait, what?" Disney knew ahead of time that they had a stinker, so they didn't waste much money promoting it, adding to its demise at the box office. (Which isn't necessarily a bad thing -- it let the film disappear relatively quietly.) Yeah, that was a really unpleasant experience.

    TFA implies something that we all know will happen -- when Disney has a hit, they milk it until we're all highly sick of it. (Except, for some bizarre reason, The Incredibles, but that's another story.) The Golden Age of a Disney franchise is the first few entries, (sometimes only the first entry -cough-liloandstitch-cough- ) before the Calculated Excess kicks in.

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  36. The harmonization excuse by tepples · · Score: 1

    Copyright terms get extended every time Micky Mouse or Snow White approach the public domain.

    I wouldn't be so certain of that. The Supreme Court in Eldred v. Ashcroft was careful to draw a distinction between harmonization to the copyright term of another economically significant market and what has since come to be called "perpetual copyright on the installment plan". In the case of the Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998, that market was the European Union, which a few years earlier had harmonized to the life plus 70 year copyright term of Germany. As of 2015, life plus 70 is still the standard, and life plus 100 is limited to only Mexico. And under current law, pre-1978 and corporate works are treated such that "life" ends 25 years after publication, meaning Rhapsody in Blue will enter the public domain at the end of 2019, and Mickey Mouse and Winnie the Pooh will enter the public domain in the United States at the end of 2023. So if Congress again employs the harmonization excuse, what economically significant market would Gershwin and Disney suggest that Congress use by the end of 2023?

  37. Bitch bitch bitch, nag nag nag... by KreAture · · Score: 1

    I for one liked the new movie.
    There is room in the world for more Star Wars movies like the new one.

    I swear, if someone actually solves the energy crisis with cold fusion there will be a crusade to conserve the hydrogen as pure...

  38. Pinocchio as example of Disney's hypocrisy by tepples · · Score: 1

    Many films are made based on previously-published [stories].

    Under the original Berne Convention, copyright lasted 50 years after the death of the author. Disney's film Pinocchio, a loose adaptation of a serial novel by Carlo Collodi, was released very soon after Collodi's copyrights expired. Years later, the Gershwin estate and Disney successfully lobbied to have the term extended to life plus 70 years. Had the present copyright term been in place in the early 1940s, Disney's film would have infringed.

    Hypocrites.

    1. Re:Pinocchio as example of Disney's hypocrisy by AcidPenguin9873 · · Score: 1

      You picked Pinocchio on purpose because it's probably the closest one you can find. Many other Disney movies are based on material whose copyrights either never existed, or have definitely expired even under current law. The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King, Pocahontas, Mulan, Hercules, Rapunzel, Frozen - all either multi-generational folklore with no actual copyright on the characters or story, or fairy tales published in the 18th and 19th centuries whose copyrights have long since expired.

      I'm not disagreeing with your point that their copyright lobbying is hypocritical, but it's pretty much a separate point from the discussion about how much Disney "steals" when they make a derivative work. If it were so easy to take 19th century folk tales and turn them into billion dollar franchises (I mean, you're starting from an existing, known character and story, right? According to Slashdot, that's pretty much the whole thing), I would expect Slashdot to be teeming with billionaire producers and directors fresh off their latest hit.

    2. Re:Pinocchio as example of Disney's hypocrisy by bws111 · · Score: 1

      What kind of stupid argument is that? You are making the rather enormous assumption that had the present copyright term been in place they still would have made the movie and they would have not obtained permission. What evidence do you have of that?

      Of course, you do have a point. Disney completely stopped making new movies after the copyright was extended. This was necessary because there is no old material that is out of copyright, and it is impossible to make a new work that doesn't infringe on a copyright. Oh wait, none of that is true? Never mind.

    3. Re:Pinocchio as example of Disney's hypocrisy by tepples · · Score: 1

      You are making the rather enormous assumption that had the present copyright term been in place they still would have made the movie and they would have not obtained permission. What evidence do you have of that?

      That's not what I intended. Had the present copyright term been in place at that time, Disney would not have made Pinocchio because it would have infringed had they done so. It would have had to find a different to adapt for its second animated feature, and Pinocchio would have been made much later once Disney had more money to spend on licensing.

      and it is impossible to make a new work that doesn't infringe on a copyright

      Say I write and record a song. What steps can I take to make sure that I don't accidentally infringe the copyright in one of the millions of songs in the BMI, ASCAP, or SESAC repertory? George Harrison was found liable for roughly a million dollars in damages for his accidental infringement (Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music).

    4. Re:Pinocchio as example of Disney's hypocrisy by bws111 · · Score: 1

      People always bring up the George Harrison thing like it illustrates some point about the length of copyright or how the author of some obscure song can claim some new song is a copy. The truth is "He's So Fine" was a number one hit for four weeks. Billboard ranked it the number 5 song of 1963. It was only 7 years old when George recorded "My Sweet Lord". He was found to have infringed the copyright not because of some flaw in copyright, but because it was inconceivable that he did not know He's So Fine, and, consciously or not, he copied it.

    5. Re:Pinocchio as example of Disney's hypocrisy by tepples · · Score: 1

      Billboard ranked it the number 5 song of 1963.

      In which country? Besides, The "My Sweet Lord" case was not the only such case. There was also Three Boys Music v. Michael Bolton, regarding two songs titled "Love Is a Wonderful Thing", the older by the Isley Brothers and the newer by Michael Bolton. But in any case, what steps should other songwriters take to prevent similar mistakes?

  39. Merchant sells product people want by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    Merchant sells exactly what people want, people purchase this, merchant does well. News at 11.

    Star wars is something people loved, and giving them more is not a crime. Purchasing the rights to sell it would be a very good idea if you can do it. Letting people know it's for sale seems logical. I don't feel like star wars is forced on me. I certainly love it because things like the cantina band and all the swashbuckling fun of the old serial cliff hangers was made new again in my youth. I just saw the new one and the very best thing about it was that it felt like the orignal. People got angry about the 3 prequels precisely because the orignal was so good they just could not stand these travesties standing on the grave of their fond memories.

    I hope disney gets ludicrously wealthy. My $12 was well spent for the amount of enjoyment I got.

    What a scrouge story this article is.

    I saw the trailer for the new Jungle book which looks kinda scarey for the intended age group. I'm guessing it's probably closer to Kipling's original. But to me Jungle book is the funny cuddly version of the disney animation not the red claw king kong look of the new one. Don't screw with my memories Disney, just give me back the feelings I had when I was a child.

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    1. Re:Merchant sells product people want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't screw with my memories Disney, just give me back the feelings I had when I was a child.

      LOL. No one is making you see the new one. If you do go and don't like it, watch the old one again.

      Or better yet, stop putting such an emphasis on childhood memories of corporate media.

  40. Great content?!? by archatheist · · Score: 1

    > hoping that focusing investment on great content

    Those evil capitalist bastards!!! I demand they give equal time to crappy content, like my new show: George Plimpton's CSI: Video Falconry.

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  41. USAians should boycott Disney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean I will still watch Star Wars, but I will be damned if I will pay Disney for the privelege. If I was an Indian, I would be happy to patronize Disney. However since I am old cracker, and Disney no longer needs the services of crackers, why should crackers (and niggers) support Disney. Disney is all about hiring labor that originates outside the USA. That is fine. Let them find a audience for the product outside the US.

  42. Re:Fuck Disney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "Post Anonymously" button is right above where you type the post. Here, let me show you...

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  44. Re:Fuck Disney by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Farce will be with you... Always.

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  45. Re:Fuck Disney by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

    No thanks. I meant what I said and I am not ashamed to say it. Disney is a cultural disease. Everyone who works for those criminals is a collaborator in the destruction of the public domain.

  46. Solution by ElectricHellKnight · · Score: 1

    How about just stop equating your whole childhood to useless material crap? If you really need that old box of Star Wars (or whatever) figurines to feel like a whole and developed person, then I guess this would be an issue.

    Seriously? Disney is "buying childhoods"? I know it's popular to think of all big corporations as evil, but come on. Your, apparently super-important, childhood was a memory. That cannot be bought. You don't need all the plastic that makes you feel nostalgic to remember your childhood. Get over it.

  47. I knew Disney was marketing Star Wars by EEPROMS · · Score: 1

    when I saw Star Wars make-up for sale in the mall last weekend. Next up will be star wars themed ford cars, sigh.

    1. Re:I knew Disney was marketing Star Wars by vandamme · · Score: 1

      Landau Calrissian?

  48. I suggest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ford ThunderCougarFalconbird.

    It's got that certain retro-futuristic panache to it :)

  49. My kid has never seen an ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder what will happen to him? He's 4 and I worked hard to make sure he was never exposed to any ads (no commercials, no ads in games, generic containers for everything in the house, blocked branding/logos on devices), the only logo he knows so far is Wendy's and he just calls it "cheeseburger" because he knows absolutely nothing else about it. I didn't do this to shelter him or anything, I just did it because I hate branding/marketing and I won't have it in my own home. Now I realize it might make him naive when he finally is exposed to the stuff. Not sure what to do.

  50. Re:Fuck Disney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, that one janitor in the Magic Kingdom struggling to make his rent... what a jerk! Seriously dude... relax! Maybe you disagree with some of the executives positions through the years, but not everyone there is a collaborator. All commenters here aren't jerks just because you are.

  51. Re:Fuck Disney by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

    Well, didn't the Death Star's contractors have it coming?

  52. they should have ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they should have bought jem and the holograms to prevent the abomination of a nickelodsplosion that it was.