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Julian Assange May Surrender To British Police On Friday (twitter.com)
bestweasel writes: As reported by The Guardian and others, Julian Assange has announced via Wikileaks that: "Should the UN announce tomorrow that I have lost my case against the United Kingdom and Sweden, I shall exit the embassy at noon on Friday to accept arrest by British police as there is no meaningful prospect of further appeal. ... However, should I prevail and the state parties be found to have acted unlawfully, I expect the immediate return of my passport and the termination of further attempts to arrest me."
Officer: Sir, your car tyre is over the line meaning that you have parked illegally. You will now be transferred to Guantanamo Bay for 12 years of interrogation and torture. We take parking tickets very seriously around here.
Maybe he shouldn't have legal issues? Just keep his head down?
That's a fantastic idea! No one should ever make waves, or make things uncomfortable for The Powers That Be(tm)!
Everybody wins! [If they happen to be one of The Powers That Be(tm); otherwise they lose...]
While we are at it, let's put the final nails in the coffin of all investigative, yet inconvenient, reporting!
Also: I want a pony...
1) Claim asylum in Russia.
2) Menage a trois with Snowden and his lover.
3) Pressure from conservative Russians to have them imprisoned for being bum-boys.
4) Putin knows they're too good a fuck-you to the West to bring to harm.
5) Putin, bareback, rides horse, bareback, into Snowden+Assange love shack, figuring that if you can't beat 'em, beat 'em off.
6) Homosexuality in Russia decriminalised.
7) Oligarchs no longer have blackmailable closet secrets on Putin, so he purges them and renationalises the commanding heights of the economy.
8) Putin is more popular than ever.
9) Putin renationalises everything else and rebuilds Soviet command structures.
10) Finland figures it won't get lucky a second time and finally applies to join NATO.
11) Putin pre-emptively overruns Finland and founds a new Union of Soviert Socialist Republics comprising Russia and Finland.
12) Stallman is invited to visit Putin, who is keen to implement a single People's Licence for all Soviet intellectual property, and ends up choosing GPL 3.0. Putin makes Stallman an honorary Russian bear, sealing the deal in his Kremlin bedroom.
13) Torvalds is kidnapped and repatriated to Finland, where he is forced to direct a Russian musical based on Stallman's "The Free Software Song".
Eh my cat's just jumped on my lap I'm tired now.
Seems like Ecuador finally got sick of him.
So if he gets off, gets his passport back, then what?
Well, we know where he advised Edward Snowden that was safe from CIA black ops, and it's not Equador.
I'm betting Assange has spent some of the last few years learning Russian.
What has the world come to?
And also, "You guys might want to think about, ah... febreezing that embassy of yours there... it smells like moldy pizza and... Assange crotch."
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Rape is such a serious allegation that sometimes things that aren't quite rape are rape.
I disagree. Investigative reporting is good, but it can be sensationalized and it's really done for profit. In many cases, investigative reports don't release the documents and interviews that form the basis of the stories. There isn't a lot of transparency, and reports don't actually want the transparency. See this article complaining that once an FOIA request is made for a document, the documents are made freely available to anyone, which would be damaging to investigative reporters. In short, they want access to the documents requested under the FOIA but don't want others to have access because it would cut into their profits from reporting. Although Wikileaks can't be fully trusted because they are (necessarily) selective about what they release, it's not biased out of desire for profit and it's transparent enough in that you see the original documents.
I hate all anonymous shitbags. Log in, you filthy bastards.
The UN working group on human rights has no authority to do much of anything. Here is the current membership. After making a decision, they will work with the countries involved to help them "Do the Right Thing." They can't force England or Sweden to let him go.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
So if he gets off, ...
Wasn't that what got him into this mess to start with?
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Actually, I don't think they will shoot Assange immediately. I think he will disappear into a black hole of some sort, unless they can use him for a show trial a la Stalin. Doesn't even matter anymore what he did. What matters is putting the fear of gawd into anyone else who is thinking of doing something that causes similar embarrassment to sufficiently rich and powerful people.
As regards the comments here, I'm not at all surprised to see the attacks on Assange. I just wonder why are they such big fans of corporate secrecy and government secrecy? (Same thing now, given our corporatist overlords.)
Occam's Razor says they are shills, probably professional abusers of your privacy, and mine.
Secrecy and anonymity are funny things, but it's a tough philosophic topic. On principle, I think that secrecy is wrong, because the truth is eventually going to come out, but it turns out to be quite easy to justify anonymity in terms of prior secret crimes and the anonymity of the perpetrators... No reason to protect the whistle-blowers if the crimes were already known to the public, eh?
However, the criminals are not worrying about eventually. They just want to die with the most toys. Their planning horizons are limited to statutes of limitations or death. Preferably the whistle-blower's death.
Any trace of privacy will soon be the ultimate luxury good. The rest of us peasants will be naked on the podium, with all our weaknesses and mistakes well known and used as sticks to threaten and control us. However, that's only the half of it. Our interests, tastes, and even our strengths will be used to manipulate and control us, too.
Returning to Assange, I actually think it was his taste in women that was used to set him up. I would say he's losing his freedom for being a sucker, but he actually lost his freedom years ago.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Everyone needs a hobby. Why shouldn't he learn a foreign language in his spare time...
Except that ASCII Slashdot doesn't support Cyrillic.
How is the UK acting "shitty" here? He was allowed legal representation, allowed to appeal his case to the highest court in the land, lost at each level with each judge giving a detailed reasoning to each of his legal teams arguments, and he still went on to commit a crime in the UK. Regardless of how Swedens case is ruled on, there is no way the UKs actions can be considered unlawful in this instance - Assange jumped bail. His bail sponsors already lost their case to have the money back, so Assange is facing an open and shut case should he surrender to the UK authorities.
This is the organization that put the Saud crime family's minions on their "human rights council".
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
PECTOPAH "MOPKOBKA". CEKC HA 3ABTPAK.
See, you can work with what you have.
Well at least we are going to hear the answer to the US extradition theory. Maybe he is hoping to be pardoned by Obama.
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Ok, I keep hearing "rape" being brought up but, the charge is not quite what it seems. The women in question did not go to the police with charges of sexual assault. One of them discovered that the condom came off, during consensual sex, and after she was unable to locate him, went to the police to locate him for the purpose of taking a STD test. After a short time, federal authorities and US authorities were involved in the case (for a STD test!) and they convinced one of the women to upgrade her complaint to failure to cease sexual activity immediately upon request; namely he didn't stop instantly when the condom came off, it took a few moments. This does not qualify as any sort of a crime in most countries, including the US and UK. Yet, for this, even by Sweden's standards, minor charge, he was wanted by Interpol and had an international manhunt for him to the point of having to take shelter in an embassy. And there's been a 24 hour guard around the embassy ever since in case they try to move him or he comes out. US and UK authorities still try to claim that this has nothing to do with his involvement in Wikileaks or US authorities' interest in him, they only want justice for the women in Sweden. Smells like bullshit to me.
"Be particularly skeptical when presented with evidence confirming what you already believe." -
They went to the police to locate him for a STD test, not for rape charges. Officials "convinced" one of the women to upgrade her charge. She's wanted it dropped ever since.
"Be particularly skeptical when presented with evidence confirming what you already believe." -
The charge has never been rape. That's just the way it has been reported in the media. The "crime" he is charged with in Sweden has no equivalent in the UK or US and the woman was pressured into making it by the police once they figured out who the complaint was against. She only wanted a STD test done.
"Be particularly skeptical when presented with evidence confirming what you already believe." -
He went to Sweden because he knew they would not send him to the US after the backlash over the renditions. They still won't send him to the US. He is guilty of violating his host country's rape laws and he knows it. You might not think it rape, but the Swedish people do, and they have the right to set laws in their country.
It is different except to those that hate women.
The woman that he was claimed to have raped has said repeatedly for years that she was not raped. Must have been the internalized misogyny talking.
Your post is a bunch of baloney. Assange's extradition went to the Supreme Court in the UK and the allegations against him were judged to include rape. Assange was wanted on an international arrest warrant because Sweden filed for it. Assange went to the embassy to escape arrest, deportation, and judgment. Please substantiate the involvement of US authorities regarding "STD testing." Your bullshit detector is miscalibrated.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Irrespective of whether Assange is guilty of raping those girls in Finland
I think everyone agree that Assange didn't rape those girls in Finland. Even the Swedish Attorney. Finland is on the other side of the Baltic Sea.
Bonus: google translate can't figure it out when written in ASCII.
Translation: Morkobka restaurant. Sex and Breakfast.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Journalists unfortunately, need to get paid. If, when you are making a feature of some form, and waiting for 20 responses to FOIA - if someone comes along and writes an article on the first 15, you're pretty much screwed, and don't get paid (directly, or your employer) this means less investigative journalism. Journalism is pretty much dying - especially investigative journalism like this.
There's a reason why Sweden has one of the highest rape rates in the world and it's not because there are that many actual rapes going on.
But it is somewhat amusing to watch the racists and the feminists fight over it, as the racists claim it's because the immigrants and the feminists have to constantly switch their realities back and forth between 'it's only a statistical issue' and 'but rape is everywhere!', depending on the situation...
But yes, if you read the original police documents, the purpose of going to the police was to force an STD test. That the US was involved I rather doubt, as any borderline chargeable offense will automatically be pushed by the police and prosecution whether the supposed victim wants it or not it's quite enough that an activist prosecutor like Marianne Ny smells some publicity and the opportunity to 'send a message' to start that chain of events and completely screw up the victims life far beyond the original issue. Hopefully Ny's utter incompetence in this has put a permanent black mark on her career.
Read the British judges conclusions - they consider the concept of "dual criminality", which is a requirement for extradition from the UK. Under UK law, the same charges are indeed classed as rape. So yes, it is exactly what it seems.
Pretty close. "Restaurant Carrot" and "sex for breakfast".
No, skipping bail is illegal in the UK, especially after the extradition warrant against you is found to be 100% valid and legal. The rest of the legal case is Swedens, the bit ruled on by the UK passes UK law just fine.
If the "crime" had no equivalent in the UK, then Assange would have easily won his case in the UK at the very first court hearing, as the concept of "dual criminality" is paramount when it comes to extradition warrants and UK law - you cannot be extradited from the UK if the charge you are to be extradited for is not a crime in the UK, and on all the charges on the extradition warrant against Assange the requirement of dual criminality was satisfied.
It is amusing to see in these threads those people who actually know nothing about the facts of the extradition case against Assange.
On the BBC just now: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35490910
He probably had someone "leak" that result prior to his "I'll give myself up on Friday", offer.
As if the UN can change anything...
> How is the UK acting "shitty" here?
Remember: acting shitty and acting legally are, alas, not mutually exclusive.
While the "state of law" is a huge advance wrt tyranny, law (especially this hypercomplex law shaped by many interest groups we have these days) bends more readily to those in (financial, political) power.
Sometimes the only (meaningful, I don't believe violence cuts it long term) weapon we have is calling foul: they may have good attorneys, but they still are assholes.
+ In a prison he will walk outdoors every day for an hour.
- In a prison he will have to eat a food and medications which are given to him. So there could be significant personality changes for a ridiculisation.
+ In the embassy he has got the Internet access.
- No outdoors walks whatsoever in the embassy. And it is very hard.
After a short time, federal authorities and US authorities were involved in the case (for a STD test!) ...
You can see why this will never be made into a Hollywood movie - it's too implausible.
Of course the US was involved. One of the women who put forward charges worked and still works for the CIA. At least that's what the publicly available evidence suggests.
At the same time, the purpose of FOIA isn't to help journalists, it is to ensure that data collected and held by public bodies has a way of becoming publicly available to the general public. If that suits journalists then great, if not, well, it wasn't specifically intended for them anyway and supporting their particular needs is not FOIAs purpose.
Who's a spy for which enemy exactly? The only enemy here are western governments, including the US, who will engage in any activity at all to promote their multinational corporations, protect their overseas assets at taxpayer expense, and suppress by any means necessary anybody who tries to tell the truth about that, especially when they have proof.
The US has always had a problem with being full of idiots who think their country can do no wrong anywhere. A disturbing number of our population (radical conservatives) have a proven psychological issue where showing them proof of something that contradicts their beliefs actually makes those beliefs stronger. It's a mental problem that constantly gets exploited for the gain of large economic interests.
Asssnge and Snowden are guilty of one thing: exposing the dirty dealings of the US and its allies, and the extent to which governments try to control the population lest they actually decide to do something about it.
Don't expect the authorities to give him back his passport any time ever.
http://www.reuters.com/article...
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Thank YHVH that this expensive ego-driven sideshow will (theoretically) be ending. :P
It's times like this I wish I had a friend named 'The Professor'.
It's changed one thing: the fact that he said he'll leave the embassy if they rule against him.
Of course, if Assange is known for anything these past few years it's "keep the focus on me" stunts. Remember the time when he said he'd be leaving the embassy "very soon"? Held a press conference and everything.
It's times like this I wish I had a friend named 'The Professor'.
Meh, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Swaziland... what's the difference? ;)
It's times like this I wish I had a friend named 'The Professor'.
She made him breakfast the next morning, apparently the victim did not think she was a victim. In fact she did not even go to police until she found out he had slept with her friend as well. So it was consensual until she decided to remove the consent after the fact.
There's a reason why Sweden has one of the highest rape rates in the world and it's not because there are that many actual rapes going on.
The Swedes will be glad to hear that. Of course you realize there are different views about that.
But it is somewhat amusing to watch the racists and the feminists fight over it,...
I suppose it would be a shame for nobody to get a benefit from the situation.
But it is somewhat amusing to watch the racists and the feminists fight over it,
If it turns out the "racists" are correct in some fashion, does that make them "racists"?
But yes, if you read the original police documents, the purpose of going to the police was to force an STD test.
Traumatized people don't always think right.
That the US was involved I rather doubt
In absence of evidence that is a good thing.
as any borderline chargeable offense will automatically be pushed by the police and prosecution whether the supposed victim wants it or not
See my first comment.
it's quite enough that an activist prosecutor like Marianne Ny smells some publicity and the opportunity to 'send a message' to start that chain of events and completely screw up the victims life far beyond the original issue.
Interesting rhetoric, but I don't recall hearing that it was the prosecutor that "screwed up" anyone's life. I would think Assange might have played a roll in that.
Hopefully Ny's utter incompetence in this has put a permanent black mark on her career.
That is probably what happened to the first prosecutor.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
I'd suggest that the UK court didn't properly weigh the risk to Assange of being extradited to Sweden. The circumstances were suspicious and his fears not unfounded.
I'm surprised he is considering leaving the embassy. Presumably he thinks that the chance of being rendered for torture is now receding.
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I don'; know about not leaking, but not having sex with woman you have to start "holding her arms and bending her legs open and trying to penetrate her" would be a pretty good start at avoiding legal problems.
Stockholm syndrome...
This is why they use to book an entire airplane to bring people to the USA. ...
He'll surely meet some high-rank official who responds to the PotUSA...
Obama's people is REALLY looking forward to talk to Julian
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
a) Now he had an STD....? That's news.
b) Nobody except the Swedish prosecutor is sure what exactly he's accused of. The Swedish police didn't think he'd done anything, they let him go. The prosecutor only became interested int he case when she was on a fishing trip through the police computers using the search term "Julian Assange". After she found his name on a police statement she called the two girls in and persuaded them to upgrade their query to "complaint" so she could call Assange in. Both the girls later regretted doing this after they figured out what was really going on and how they'd been manipulated by the prosecutor.
c) He has hasn't been _charged_ with anything, he's wanted for an *interview*. He's offered to do the interview on numerous occasions, just not in Sweden; Because Sweden has a weird law that allows them to "lend" him to the USA.
No sig today...
wikileaks is biased though. Wikileaks has been shown to edit documents and footage to alter their meaning. hiding the originals as they do so.
or did you forget the footage from the iraq they posted a number of years back. the original and the wikileaks version were very different
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
You do realize that no one in sweden is tried or even charged in absentia. You have to appear before a judge before charges can even be filed or dismissed.
I really wish idiots like you would stop thinking swedish law is the same as English common law.
Also Sweden doesn't have any laws to allow them to lend someone to another country. That goes against both Swedish law and EU law.
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
Citation please? Which also brings up the point, if you are such a high profile person why are you fucking around with questionable people? Keeping a low profile includes keeping your dick in your pants.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
Victims of domestic abuse often have a 'normal' relationship with their abuser before and after thoses episodes.
By your logic that would mean that no abuse did happen...
And you have the clearance to see the un-edited (by Wikileaks OR the Pentagon) originals, AND are allowed to post about it?
Somehow I don't believe you. Even members of congress don't get that kind of clearance. You are either allowed to know or to talk about it, never both.
Even the Swedish prosecutor has admitted that it happens all the time, in accordance with EU law.
Now, unless I have missed something, the UK hasn't left the EU yet, and neither has Sweden.
Not all feminists believe the way you seem to think they do. That says more about you than them, unfortunately, and it's not good for you.
Good luck, Julian. This should be one of the most important topics on Slashdot right now. Win this for yourself, and the rest of us as well.
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I still find it breathtaking we've never heard anything from these two women (at least, I've never seen anything), even so, the anti-JA side claims them to be classic rape victims, while the pro-JA side claims them to be everything from being jealous of the other to being CIA dupes / operatives.
The silence from them (while everyone claims to speak on their behalf) is both deafening and exasperating.
You give it to someone who might cause a lot of trouble to encourage them to take another path.
So what do you do when you give it to someone who wasn't supposed to cause a lot of trouble but did?
Tiller's Rule: Never use a word in written form that you've only heard and never read. You will end up looking foolish.
Talking about ignorant opinions: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/05/cia-rendition-help-european-leaders
This is real, it happened, nobody denies it anymore. And what's worse, they were not sent to US or even Gitmo, they were sent to Egypt where US allies had "more flexible" rules for torturing. So far for the independence and rule of law of democracies in NATO members
. . . the same "cool" new "boyfriend" that shortly thereafter fled the country and abandoned her? (As if he was ever going to stay around . . .)
Got it? I'll bet you do.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Well then, "thank goodness" you're here to help set the record straight. How could progress occur without folk like you?
The rush to smear Assange’s rape accuser
OK, so maybe the charges really are for rape-rape, but still — the woman has CIA ties! I’ve read that on at least a dozen blogs! Keith Olbermann tweeted it and everything! That’s got to be coming from a highly credible source, right?
Actually, as far as I can tell, the only source for that claim is an August Counterpunch article by Assange fanboys (seriously, they recast him as Neo of “The Matrix”) Israel Shamir and Paul Bennett. Here’s the most damning evidence Shamir and Bennett have compiled against Assange’s accuser:
1) She’s published “anti-Castro diatribes” in a Swedish-language publication that, according to an Oslo professor, Michael Seltzer (who?), is “connected with Union Liberal Cubana led by Carlos Alberto Montaner,” who reportedly has CIA ties. Let me repeat that: She has been published in a journal that is connected with a group that is led by a guy with CIA ties. Says this one guy.
2) “In Cuba she interacted with the feminist anti-Castro group Las damas de blanco (the Ladies in White). This group receives US government funds and the convicted anti-communist terrorist Luis Posada Carriles is a friend and supporter.” That link goes to an English translation of a Spanish article noting that at a march last spring, Posada “wander[ed] unleashed and un-vaccinated along Calle Ocho in Miami, marching alongside” — wait for it — “Gloria Estefan in support of the so-called Ladies in White.” Apparently, it’s “an established fact” that Posada and the Ladies also share a shady benefactor, which means he should clearly be called a “friend” of the organization, and this is totally relevant to the rape charges against Julian Assange, because the accuser once interacted with them in some manner.
Are you kidding me? That’s what we’re basing the “CIA ties” meme on? An article that reads like a screenplay treatment by a college freshman who’s terrified of women? Actual quote: “[T]he Matrix plays dirty and lets loose a sex bomb upon our intrepid Neo. When you can’t contest the message, you smear the messenger. Sweden is tailor-made for sending a young man into a honey trap.”
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Silly fecker doesn't get it, these people make up the laws as they go along, yes they are written down but the point is - they have a tendency to interpret the law however they want to, whether or not you win depends on how authoritarian the judge is.
^ This applies to unique cases, in cases where the same ground has been trodden a thousand times before, you can know what to expect.
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Well a short check against other countries with high level population of immigrants living off welfare (this does not include US as the welfare for immigrants is rather not existent or?) like Austria may give you a clue. But indeed Sweden's rape laws and this particular case are way off the mark for a reasonable country.
I would bet my life savings if I followed you around long enough, I'd find you breaking a law.
But it is somewhat amusing to watch the racists and the feminists fight over it,
If it turns out the "racists" are correct in some fashion [gatestoneinstitute.org], does that make them "racists"?
Fortunately for everyone but the racists, their claims are not even close to true. For example, the very prominent claim of a 300% increase in violent crime since 1975, does not seem to be born out by actual data, which seems to show a modest decrease in crime over that time period.
Fanatically anti-fanatical
Didn't need clearance. The us military released the entire video unedited to discredit and show just how badly edited the file was.
While it was only one point the very fact wiki leaks did edit the video shows they can't be trusted either
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
And if they rule otherwise .. who cares. The UN has as much legal jurisdiction in this matter as the members of slashdot do.
Julian .. try personal responsibility and accept the consequences of your actions. Stop acting like you are any different than thousands of others that get accused of things. You don't deserve an of this attention, your 15 minutes of fame are over.
I rarely read replies, it's my opinion and if you thought about your opinion a little more, I'm OK with that.
It's BS. I did as the AC suggested, and Googled it. It looks like one of the women's best friend's mother's uncle's former roommate said something about Cuba one time. Or something silly like that.
http://www.theguardian.com/med...
What has most engaged the conspiracy theorists and Assange's more excitable defenders, however, are a few key incidents in Miss A career, in particular that she is said to have worked in the Swedish embassy in the US, and wrote her university thesis in 2007 on a vision of Cuba after the death of Castro.
This has led to widespread allegations that the woman is a CIA agent, planted as a honeytrap to bring down Assange. One blogger notes: "[Assange] just happens to meet a Swedish woman who just happens to have been publishing her work in a well-funded anti-Castro group that just happens to have links with a group led by a man at least one journalist describes as an agent of the CIA: the violent secret arm of America's foreign policy.
There are various more sensational articles, but none of those provide any evidence. This was the only article that seemed to explain the connection clearly.
You like many others confuse Swedish law and English common law. In Sweden you can't be charged in absentia. That means to even have charges applied against you have to be I front of a judge.
Those same charges can only be dismissed by a judge.
He will be in Sweden for 6 hours of which 2 will be be spent waiting for the next flight out, and 2 more for driving around town
Lastly Sweden extradition to the USA is and always has been several order more difficult than from the uk. Sweden won't extradition people to countries with the death penalty.
These facts have never changed.
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
My feeling is that the Us government will eat you alive if you surrender. Please stay inside the embassy. You are a hero to millions of people.
uh, the US and other countries have been purposely trying to keep the focus on him to keep people from paying attention to their bad behavior Wikileaks has been shedding light on.
A giant all-night Assange look-alike rave at the embassy.
Thousands of Assanges.
Within a week....someone will "take him out" in hopes of shutting him up or something.
The US grabs people off the street in Europe. In fact a bunch of CIA operatives were busted in Spain a few years back trying to do exactly that, because they leaked phone metadata (oh, the irony). They grab people and fly them to other countries.
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well after he get's jack rubyed there will be a moive about this.
the original and the wikileaks version were very different
Why do you people keep lying? Wikileaks released an edited version and the full video at the same time. The edited video showed the same thing as the full, that US military was trigger happy and ready to shoot at innocent unarmed civilians, the edited video having the tedium cut out of it. There was nothing in the long version that excused or justified the shootings.
Ah yes, The Guardian, that not at all anti US socialist propaganda sheet.
I expect he'd be spending a lot more time in countries that don't have extradition with the USA. He's not afraid of being arrested. He's afraid of being sold to the US and tortured until dead, as the US has done before and has numerous executive orders from both parties allowing, condoning, or encouraging.
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Also Sweden doesn't have any laws to allow them to lend someone to another country. That goes against both Swedish law and EU law.
So Sweden has no ambassadors? No tourists? Nobody ever leaves? It's like the roach-motel of countries. And Sweden doesn't even have phones? Why couldn't the people already outside Sweden at http://www.swedenabroad.com/lo... walk down to Assange? It's illegal for someone from Sweden to walk?
That's why I default to believing Assange. The "other side" just seems insane.
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No, it's not a "front"; it's a country that has an extradition treaty with the US.
If the US has a legal and valid arrest warrant for him, then any country that the US has an extradition treaty with needs to extradite him; it's as simple as that. Where do you see the problem?
Assange is far too prominent to "disappear", nor would there be any point to it. If the Obama administration wants to get their hands on him, it's for the trial and the publicity.
Anyone who starts a comment with "wake up people" I automatically ignore.
A good strategy. That phrase generally prefaces a big pile of unsupported claims that the author believes are so obvious that he's surprised everyone else can't see it. If it actually were obvious, the author wouldn't have to explain it, and if it's not, then the right approach is to offer evidence rather than to imply that other people are stupid for not seeing it. But, given that the author chose the latter course, you know there isn't going to be anything of substance.
Nope he'll just go MIA.
And we'll never know until he surfaces again.
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How is....
Would the world without Assanges, Snowdans, Chelsea Mannings be a better place where the perverts can do their extraordinary renditions under the umbrella of secrecy in a democratic system with separation of powers - checks and balances remaining unexposed?
Maybe the cops being so hot to "get him when he comes out" should just play a round of basketball with Assange and then all go home...
There are all sorts of ways in which people can "make things uncomfortable for The Powers That Be". Assange has chosen to leak secret documents. I'm glad the information came out. But that doesn't mean that what he did should be without consequences. Furthermore, Assange's activities seem to have been motivated in significant part by vindictiveness and a desire for notoriety and exposure, not altruism, and that makes him less than sympathetic to many people.
So, thanks Julian for the documents you leaked, but you still have to face the legal consequences of what you did and deal with the fact that nobody in their right mind would trust you.
The best punishment for him, would be the fact that these evil governments really just don't care about his involvement in wiki-leaks. He is let out, he goes to sweden gets tried fairly for his charge.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Neither are doing the right thing and acting illegally. Assange leaking documents was arguably doing the right thing. But he probably acted illegally doing so, and hence the US can reasonably charge him and demand his extradition. It is for a US court of law to decide his guilt.
That goal is inconsistent with keeping it secret and denying that they had him.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
I expect the immediate return of my passport and the termination of further attempts to arrest me.
*pats Julian on the head like a mother consoling her preschool child* Dear, dear, dear Julian, you can expect that all you want, but that won't make it come true. *hugs*
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
Some more info - 46' long
http://www.disclose.tv/action/...
The best profit in news can be from having an article that is first, and accurate. It doesn't matter much if somebody else had access to their source if they broke the story first and it was well-detailed.
Why do you say that? The excel file pulled from your link shows a rate of 282 reported crimes against life and health per 100,000 residents in 1975, and a rate of 923 per 100,000 residents in 2014. That's a 327% increase over that time period.
Have gnu, will travel.
And "the right thing" is to arrest Assange for jumping bail and haul him back in front of the court. The whole point is that he is *not* currently in detention (and so of course isn't being detained illegally) when he should be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0
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So she has ties to two anti-Castro groups that get CIA money.
Are there any anti-Castro groups that DON'T get CIA money? I'm pretty sure that I could move to Miami and get some anti-Castro letterhead printed up and get some CIA money.
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You are the piece of shit, scum like you deserves to have their family marched to the gas chamber. State worshipping pig fucker scum!
Butcher all right wingers. We need a civil war. Murder all families of right-wing voters.
What about all the family members who can't stand the right-wing nut in their family? You know, the nut who won't ever shut up about politics. The nut to whom you never speak because he thinks he knows everything and tries to prove you wrong about everything. The nut who actively tries to start arguments. The nut who disowns his own children because they don't share his right-wing politics or follow his psychotic Southern Baptist religion.
Similar to the upcoming US election results
There's a reason why Sweden has one of the highest rape rates in the world
Don't tell Trump! He'll want Norway to build a wall and make the Swedes pay for it!
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Ok, I keep hearing "rape" being brought up but, the charge is not quite what it seems. The women in question did not go to the police with charges of sexual assault. One of them discovered that the condom came off, during consensual sex, and after she was unable to locate him, went to the police to locate him for the purpose of taking a STD test.
That'd be the sexual assault charge. The rape charge is from the other situation where he penetrated a woman while she was sleeping, knowing she did not consent, having been explicitly told "no" before she went to sleep. That's the one that the UK courts said "yes, that's rape, even under British law."
Because Uncle Sam probably pays them to lie. Please pay attention to what is going on here. A lot of comments about these stories are no longer average joes with opinions. They are paid trolls used by governments like the US and organized entities to shape public opinion. Times have changed my friend. The Internet we grew up with is gone.
Typical Conspiracy-nut bullshit.
Of course someone who writes a thesis on what could possibly happen in a post-Castro Cuba absolutely has to be a CIA spy. Especially if she was working for her country in the foreign service of her country at an Embassy.
And really, what anti-Castro group bigger than two or three Cuban exiles with a megaphone don't have CIA funding at some point?
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I wonder why he is considering a surrender without even trying to make a run for it.
I am sure the embassy is well guarded, but so had been the Alcatraz.
On display: the tolerance and acceptance of the 'progressives' wanting to replay the worst episodes of the 1940s - political purges involving the execution of people that don't agree with you.
Well done, idiot.
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You haven't changed your /. username yet?!
The us military released the entire video unedited to discredit and show just how badly edited the file was.
That's not correct.
Wikileaks actually released both videos at the same time, with the edited "short version" clearly labeled as such.
Here is a link to the videos: https://collateralmurder.wikil...
Sweden doesn't have any laws to allow them to lend someone to another country. That goes against both Swedish law and EU law.
Swedish law doesn't allow extraordinary rendition, but that doesn't mean it never happens. Sweden has cooperated with CIA kidnapping on at least one occasion.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2006/...
It's quite different to grab a guy off the street and stuff him into a van and drive him to a private air strip where you've got a Gulfstream waiting, then it is to "storm" the embassy of a sovereign nation (an act of war) to grab someone.
In diplomatic law, that is invading the country who owns the embassy.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
Journalists unfortunately, need to get paid. If, when you are making a feature of some form, and waiting for 20 responses to FOIA - if someone comes along and writes an article on the first 15, you're pretty much screwed, and don't get paid (directly, or your employer) this means less investigative journalism. Journalism is pretty much dying - especially investigative journalism like this.
Spotlight is a fun movie currently out (and currently in the running for the Best Picture Academy Award) where this comes into play. One of the Spotlight reporters working on the Catholic Priest molestation scandal waited in the lobby of the public court records department all night until they opened in the morning because the documents he'd been working on unsealing had just been made public, and he had to get to them before a competitor from the Boston Herald discovered them.
The charge has never been rape. That's just the way it has been reported in the media. The "crime" he is charged with in Sweden has no equivalent in the UK or US and the woman was pressured into making it by the police once they figured out who the complaint was against. She only wanted a STD test done.
You keep saying this, and people keep pointing out that penetrating a sleeping woman without her consent, after she's told you "no", is rape in not just Sweden, but both the UK, and the US (not that the latter is relevant). At some point will you admit that fact?
Is it regret to wake up with a man having sex without a condom when you had previously stated your preference for condom use?
You have a strange definition for regret.
Having sex with a sleeping woman is indeed rape, as she has not given her consent. Sometimes the relationship you have with the woman allows this, but this is a very specific thing.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Hmm, what evidence do you have for cold fjord's treasonous behavior? Why would cold fjord's treason or lack of treason have any bearing on facts of a case that are very easy to find on your own? You do realize that Snowden who you likely would also defend is a traitor to his country by definition?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Requirements for having sex before the fact don't magically become changing their mind when they wake to being penetrated by the person without their consent. You are defending a rapist, as defined by the laws in most countries.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Activities after rape should not be used to determine if rape occurred. Some people sit in the corner and cry, some get on with their lives.
Nonconsensual sex is rape. Whether Assange is guilty of it isn't for me (or you) to determine. That's a matter for the courts. There's a lot of blame to go around for how this has been handled.
I respect Assange's determination; I really didn't think he'd last very long before giving up, but he's sticking this out far longer than most believed he would. I also am not opposed to his mission, though it's still pretty one-sided against the US government and some of the things he's claimed have been in cables aren't really what's being said. I'd like to see more from other countries, particularly those in Africa and Asia. Still, I think he's far too stuck on the idea that the Swedes would turn him over to the US government when the UK's extradition treaty is far easier to use, though I don't think he's done anything wrong under US law as he wasn't in the US when he received the information, he's not a US citizen or resident, and he holds no loyalties to the country. Maybe there's an argument for incitement, but that requires some pretty significant proof, and courts (with tons of amici filings by media organizations) may not be keen to agree on that abridgment of free speech. Arguments for damage to national security are similarly thin, especially given the claims of damage in the Pentagon Papers and other
I don't know enough about Swedish law to determine whether the prosecutor could travel to another country for the required interview; I've seen claims that they can or can't, that it's OK under some circumstances but not others. Perhaps it's a point of principle to not do it under circumstances where the accused has such a high degree of control; if he were questioned in the embassy and charges were filed, would he then give up, or would he continue his fugitive status?
Even if Sweden drops the charges (or he waits them out completely), he's not leaving the embassy without getting arrested for bail jumping. He's almost certain to get the maximum sentence (one year) for doing so, and to spend it incarcerated. Once that's finished, I expect he'll be deported to Australia (which I believe also has an easily-implemented extradition treaty with the US), and that relatively few countries will accept him in the future, assuming Australia doesn't revoke his passport. Ecuador might take him in (though the Australian government and those of the nations surrounding Ecuador could make this difficult even if Ecuador did issue travel papers), but that may change with the 2017 elections, since Rafael Correa is term-limited to two terms under the 2008 constitution (he was first elected under that constitution in 2009 and re-elected in 2013).
Whatever happens, it is unlikely that any court, in whatever country, is going to ever grant him bail in the future.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
My experience is that this isn't limited to radical conservatives. There are plenty of people on the left that have the same reaction. I think it's innate to humans in general to rebel to being told they're wrong.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
I'd suggest that the UK court didn't properly weigh the risk to Assange of being extradited to Sweden. The circumstances were suspicious and his fears not unfounded.
They properly did. Extradition to Sweden will be a done deal. After he spends some time in a UK jail for jumping bail.
He would probably got a slap on the wrist in the case in Sweden. Instead he voluntarily stayed in his own Ecuadorian jail for six years, is now in trouble in the UK, and any court in Sweden will be much less let him get away with a less severe punishment.
So if he gets off, gets his passport back, then what?
Then he can travel anywhere, in the 20 minutes between takeoff and when the U.S. orders his plane grounded and him taken into custody for extradition to the U.S.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
Which means that they could have snatched him off the British streets at any time they wanted during the years that he fought the extradition to Sweden in the British courts. And why wait for all this legal stuff to play out when they just could snatch him from a far more US friendly place, CIA would probably not even have to put their own people on the ground to do that since the MI5/6 would more than happily oblige the request.
Depends on what crime you are suspected of since the maximum penalty that could be set by a court if you where absent from the hearings where 3 months jail time before 2014-07-01 (at which point the maximum penalty was increased to 6 months). Considering that the maximum penalty for the charges against Assange is 6 years I don't think that the prosecutor will settle for 6 months...
There is also a clause to the law that says that you can only be charged in absentia if the case can be "investigated in a satisfactory way" by the prosecutor. I guess that the prosecutor in the Assange case does not see it as satisfactory that she cannot extradite him.
THAT'S NOT EVEN WHAT THEY'RE "ALLEGEDLY" TRYING TO EXTRADITE HIM FOR! This fight isn't over Assange being extradited to the US for espionage; this fight is over him being extradited to Sweden for unrelated trumped-up rape charges, and then extraordinarily rendered to the US.
Even if you think he legitimately should be tried for espionage in the US, the CIA's actions are totally indefensible.
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By your logic that would mean that abuse happens anytime a person changes their mind.
Anyone could 'change their mind' and storm out and accuse someone they were with with rape. Making breakfast the next day isn't really indicative of things one way or the other.
But that doesn't stop Sweden from 'losing' prisoners at the airport just about where the CIA goons with a private jet are waiting to ship the said prisoners to Egypt for some rubber hose cryptanalysis.
Why was this modded down?
It seems like a fair description of an actual event.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...
https://www.hrw.org/news/2006/...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I've got news for you, sparky: saying "right wing propaganda" isn't some kind of magic incantation that makes your favorite teleprompter-in-chief's incompetence just vanish in a puff of wishful thinking.
What you are complaining about is that Obama didn't manage to clean up the complete mess that Bush managed to create
More like, the motherfucker continued everything he ran against. How many times has he signed extensions to the PATRIOT act?
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
You are the piece of shit, scum like you deserves to have their family marched to the gas chamber. State worshipping pig fucker scum!
Butcher all right wingers. We need a civil war. Murder all families of right-wing voters.
I disagree. I think we need more marginalization of people who have watched too many episodes of the X-Files, see spooks in every shadow, and think that anyone who shines a light on something is an alter boy who can't possibly be a douchebag who commits other crimes.
Citation needed.
If you'll recall the original Swedish Prosecutor actually declined to press charges, then the famous Marriane Ny over-ruled him. The appeal of the original decision was filed by the victims. Or, to quote wikipedia:
"The preliminary investigation concerning suspected rape was discontinued by Finné on 25 August,[7] but two days later Claes Borgström, the attorney representing the two women, requested a review of the prosecutor's decision to terminate part of the investigation.[7][10]"
If they were going to pull that, storming the embassy wouldn't be that much harder. You're a loon.
Oh, it's totally possible, I saw an episode of 24 where he stormed a Chinese embassy and did just that.
"He" being Jack Bauer, of course. Of course that didn't end up well of ol' Jack either -- captured by the Chinese in retaliation and held for years in China.
How did this get +5?
There is no such thing as "Federal authorities" in Sweden. The only authorities are agents of the National government, which is not a Federation. There has been no evidence provided by anyone that US Authorities are involved.
As far as the "it's not rape outside of Sweden" claim, here's what Assange's own lawyer said in British Court:
"Assange had stopped her from doing by holding her arms and bending her legs open and trying to penetrate her with his penis without using a condom. [She] says that she felt about to cry since she was held down and could not reach a condom and felt this could end badly."
So he admitted to fucking a woman who was fighting him so hard he had to hold her arms back, and physically force her legs open.
The charge has never been rape
The charge has been rape. You're thinking about the woman he was having sex with when the condom came off. You're correct, that was not charged as rape, at least not what us brit/americans would think of as "rape."
The rape charge comes from a different woman. The two women are identified as "Miss A" and "Miss W." I couldn't find documents online of who made which charge, but it doesn't really matter. Assange is accused of continuing to have sex with one of the women after a condom came off after she'd agreed to have sex if he wore a condom. The other woman accused him of having sex with her while she was asleep (no consent) after telling him she would not have sex with him. Neither of them went to the police until they'd talked to each other about these encounters.
I think your wording was perfect! For my purposes, anyway...
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Maybe he was crazy horny at the time?
Have you fscked your local propeller head today?
Some more info - 46' long
http://www.disclose.tv/action/...
Pretty thorough documentation - Grand Jury in the US, Sweden going back and forth: "That's how things work in Sweden", he played along but the whole matter sure has a "secret drive" pushing it in a direction. The all-present argument is Security in danger.... who is endangering depends on viewpoint, as always...
Assange is not really of interest anymore. The credibility is damaged. His 15 minutes of fame is over unless he pulls someting really big.
And the CIA and FBI would probably do best by leaving him alone. If they hunt him then they prove his credibility.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
i think they would love to teach him a lesson and make an example out of him. give him some orange pajamas and a one way ticket to Guantanamo.
Having sex with a sleeping woman is indeed rape, as she has not given her consent.
Nope. The one does not necessarily follow from the other. I personally know a girl who asked her boyfriend to have sex with her after she fell asleep. That seems like consent to me. She can give her consent at any time before she actually goes to sleep. The fact of her sleeping does not preclude consent.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
Well, first of all you stop reading right wing propaganda. What you are complaining about is that Obama didn't manage to clean up the complete mess that Bush managed to create and it might not even have been possible to clean that up.
Come on, it's not "right-wing propaganda" to think that Obama's Nobel was total bullshit. It came down to exactly two things "Thank god that Bush isn't in the White House," and "Obama promises to lead the US to peace." Maybe if Obama had delivered on that he might, might have been eligible, but the fact that they gave him the Peace Prize for making campaign promises that most Democratic candidates made shows it to be a political-motivated prize. It greatly degraded the legitimacy of the prize itself and gives it all the authority of Time Magazine's Person of the Year.
Regret as in, "I could have done better."
Try to counter any of the points I made. You can not.
You start with a number of false assumptions, and then knock them down, but they're still strawmen.
*) You assume most nerds other than a couple on Slashdot gave a shit about Aaron Schwartz. I thought he was getting a bad shake from an over-zealous prosecutor, but he took the idiot's and coward's way out. Sucks to be him.
*) Snowden is a defeat of "geekdom?" Snowden isn't really emblematic of geekdom one way or another, most of the public see it either as a government whistleblower exposing illegal operations, or a whistleblower/felon who ran to Russia. Any nerdiness or lack thereof rarely comes into the conversation; I doubt most people could say what his role in the government was. Most nerds aren't in government so they don't feel like what happened to Snowden REALLY pertains to them, because they're never going to be in the position he was in.
*) Your milage may vary based on the Star Trek reboot, but a ton of nerds like it, and a ton of non-nerds don't like it. There's a decent split on both sides. Just about everyone, nerds and non-nerds alike like the Star Wars remake, and everyone thought the same about the BSG remake. Most nerds, even comic book nerds think the Marvel movies are great, and they're making bank too. Most other remakes, at least remakes of things that were popular, end up being critical and commercial failures regardless of whether the critic is a nerd or not.
*) The "Gamergate" fiasco pretty much failed for everyone. Everyone knows that there are a bunch of 15-year-olds on XBox Live who say all sorts of shit, but everyone knew that already. The attempt to paint everyone who games with that broad brush failed; there are way too many who game now, not just the living-in-his-mother's-basement type, and the only ones who parrot that line are "games journalism" sites that no one actually reads and feminist blogs who have a marginally-equivalent amount of real world power.
I know you're trolling, and I'm feeding the trolls, but sometimes troll-feeding is fun.
Sweden's laws don't actually affect the UK reaction to the extradition request. In order for the UK to comply, the UK has to recognized the alleged actions as illegal b UK law, and Assange appealed that all the way up. According to the highest UK court, the actions described in the request would be rape in the UK.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
The Swedes issued an Interpol extradition request, which needs to contain the information about what Assange is accused of. The UK court system has confirmed that the UK would consider what he is accused of doing as rape.
And what is that weird law? According to the extradition treaty between Sweden and the UK, Sweden may not ship him off to any other country without UK permission. The whole idea that some US authorities want to snatch Assange seems to have been made up out of paranoia, since I've seen no support for it, and I'm not quite paranoid enough to think that a lack of support means it obviously has to be true.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
That happened once, and it caused a political backlash. I see no reason Sweden would cooperate.
Why "rubber-hose cryptanalysis"? Why cryptanalysis at all? I thought the key to the entire tarball had been revealed.
And why would the US care? They convicted Manning of leaking the information, and it's legal in the US to disseminate classified information you were handed, as long as you haven't been cleared for such information.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
From what I've read, that incident is why Sweden isn't going to do it again.
Even in the unlikely happenstance that the US actually wants him.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Snowden is guilty of releasing government secrets that he had legitimate access to. The legal reasoning is a bit twisted, but it would be legal for me to disseminate classified information, since I never agreed not to, and so my First Amendment rights take precedence. Snowden deliberately accepted that his leak would be a serious crime. So did Manning.
Assange did nothing illegal by US law, which probably means the US isn't after him, which is presumably why there's no evidence the US is after him.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
I've seen no evidence that Assange violated US law, or that the US government wants to charge him or do anything else to him. Assange may have violated Swedish law (that's what the trial is for) and certainly violated UK law.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Where did you get the completely ridiculous belief that the US would let something like diplomatic protocol and treaty obligations stop them? The US had no problems with violating other countries' sovereignity to get Snowden. (Well, the government didn't. Some of us citizens disagree.)
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
If this was a "US says 'jump'" case, the US would have filed an extradition request first and gotten the UK to send Assange over. The US government is neither so committed to plans that Agatha Christie would have found implausible, nor so respecting of international law, as any of the conspiracy theories suggest.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Exactly what has the US been doing about him? The only person interested in keeping the news focused on Assange is Assange.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Brits will still try to sell him out
They had better. Or we won't let them buy F-35s for $140 million each.
Have gnu, will travel.
Not all feminists believe the way you seem to think they do. That says more about you than them, unfortunately, and it's not good for you.
Actually it say more about you, since he never said "all" feminists.
Just like when I say 'the football fans went nuts and caused a riot', it doesn't mean every single person in the world who has ever watched football caused a riot.
Activities after rape should not be used to determine if rape occurred.
Since when is less information better than more information when determining the truth?
I have no particular opinion on it either way; this from the BBC, though: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...
My point is that it's not inconsistent to believe that what Assange did was useful, while at the same time believing that the US could legitimately extradite him from Sweden for a trial if US prosecutors actually wanted to charge him. In different words, a courageous and useful act of civil disobedience shouldn't result in people being able to claim freedom from legal prosecution.
That's just Assange's conspiracy theory, not actual fact.
In reality, the US could simply ask the UK to extradite Assange; they wouldn't need to cook up some complicated scheme of having him charged in Sweden. He got charged with rape in Sweden because Sweden has stupid rape laws, he slept around there with the wrong women, and the whole thing irritated a prosecutor. That's all.
There are lots of CIA actions that are "indefensible". But, then, the same can be said for MI5 and BND.
However, I'm not aware of the CIA actually having done anything to Assange in particular.
Because if you send a military unit crashing through an embassy showing that you have absolutely zero respect for diplomatic law, it opens up the hundreds of embassies and consulates that the US Department of State has scattered across the globe to similar.
The people in charge might be completely corrupt chucklefucks, but they do actually think about some of this shit before they do it.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
Okay, then in that case, it would seem isolating the paragraph should have increased the relative lameness of the comment, but that is not what happened. In isolation, the paragraph did not trigger any complaint.
I think the creators of slashdot were sincere, though I don't yet have any impressions about the intentions or sincerity of the newest owners. However, I also think that slashdot should stop abusing the English language. It has enough problems.
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I don't have the time or interest to look up, but I've seen posted on previous Assange articles a long list of people that were interviewed via phone, or via Swedish representatives overseas. I've not seen anything that explains the unequal treatment, so it seems like special circumstances designed to extradite Assange, not prosecute the crimes he's accused of.
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Oh no, clickbait has come to comments, not just headlines? lol
"Do you know what [your spouse | your children | Donald Trump | Julian Assange's mistress] is doing now? Go check it out!"
Worse-yet, is someone will start moderating these kinds of posts as +1 Insightful even though they make absolutely no point at all.
Of anyone around here, coldfjord is probably the least likely to commit the legal definition of treason.
If by "treason" you mean "betraying some notion of the people of this country, rather than the country itself," you're using a nonstandard definition.
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Who said "military"? It would be US government agents of some sort with no connection to the US, who'd be out of the country before anyone could react. It's not like the US didn't do things nearly as bad over Snowden with less plausible deniability.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
We couldn't legitimately extradite him from Sweden, since Sweden is not legally allowed to send him anywhere except back to the UK without UK consent.
As far as the Holder quote goes, the BBC article is from nearly a year ago, and has a reference to a statement Holder made earlier. Since publishing classified material is legal in the US (IIRC, that was determined in the 1960s Pentagon Papers case), the investigation would presumably be to investigate whether Assange cooperated in Manning's leaking. I hadn't seen this before (thanks for bringing it up), but it isn't a clear and present danger.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
If the response after the sexual activity is to get up, put clothes back on, head out, and pretend that nothing happened, that doesn't mean that rape didn't happen. The only point at issue is if consent was given (and it can be implied by activity). If consent was not given, it's rape.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
Here is a link to the Swedish Bar Association regarding the law change from 3 months to 6 months, perhaps you can Google Translate it from Swedish to English: https://www.advokatsamfundet.s...
People who claim that it never happens are clearly lying but it's true that it's a very uncommon thing to do, either way I highly doubt that the refusal to handle this via phone or representation has anything to do with the USA, if the US would like to snatch him they could just as easily do so during the time he was living in public in the UK when he was fighting the extradition to Sweden. This whole US conspiracy feels way to complicated to be true.
Seriously how ingenious can you be. It is for the American courts to shut the fuck up and mind their own business. The only court with any jurisdictions is the British court for jumping bail and the Swedish court for the claimed cases. However both legal systems should be held liable for their purposeful corruption of the legal system in order to pander to NATO and the US government. The Australian diplomatic service should also be held liable for abandoning an Australian citizen to the blatant corruption of the US government.
The US in the most illegal fashion imaginable, in fact for the majority beyond imagining, kidnapped people from all over the world and disappeared them, torturing many to death in the process, and then the few survivors were illegal held at a base seized from the Cuban people with the threat of total annihilate them, should the Cuban people make any attempt to recover the illegal seized land.
It is up to US courts to end the stupendous corruption within the US three level legal system, rich, middle class, poor. It is up to the US courts to end blatant political corruption of those courts in all levels with hugely corrupt appointees. It is up to US courts to fuck off and stick the fucking mess in their own country and leave the rest of the world alone.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
23% of anti-Castro groups are actually fronts for Castro, and the money is used to fund the Cuba government budget. Any surplus is used to subsidize low rum prices.
If the response after the sexual activity is to get up, put clothes back on, head out, and pretend that nothing happened, that doesn't mean that rape didn't happen. The only point at issue is if consent was given (and it can be implied by activity). If consent was not given, it's rape.
What if the "victim" wrote on their facebook page afterwards, "that was the best night ever, I loved every minute of it". This would not be useful in determining consent?
The statement "Activities after rape should not be used to determine if rape occurred" is just wrong. All information should be available to determine the facts.
If we have a legitimate charge against him, then it's fine to make an extradition request. In this case, the US would just have to get in line.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Thank you for the reference.
There is no evidence the US is currently after Assange. This may change, but the fact that there is an ongoing investigation suggests that the US is going to play this one by the rules for now.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes