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Drivers Need To Forget Their GPS

HughPickens.com writes: Greg Milner writes in the NYT that an American tourist in Iceland directed the GPS unit in his rental car to guide him from Keflavik International Airport to a hotel in nearby Reykjavik, and ended up 250 icy miles away in Siglufjordur, a fishing village on the outskirts of the Arctic Circle. Mr. Santillan apparently explained that he was very tired after his flight and had "put his faith in the GPS." In another incident, a woman in Belgium asked GPS to take her to a destination less than two hours away and two days later, she turned up in Croatia. Finally disastrous incidents involving drivers following disused roads and disappearing into remote areas of Death Valley in California have became so common that park rangers gave them a name: "death by GPS." "If we're being honest, it's not that hard to imagine doing something similar ourselves" says Milner. "Most of us use GPS as a crutch while driving through unfamiliar terrain, tuning out and letting that soothing voice do the dirty work of navigating."

Could society's embrace of GPS be eroding our cognitive maps? Julia Frankenstein, a psychologist at the University of Freiburg's Center for Cognitive Science, says the danger of GPS is that "we are not forced to remember or process the information — as it is permanently 'at hand,' we need not think or decide for ourselves." "Next time you're in a new place, forget the GPS device. Study a map to get your bearings, then try to focus on your memory of it to find your way around. City maps do not tell you each step, but they provide a wealth of abstract survey knowledge. Fill in these memories with your own navigational experience, and give your brain the chance to live up to its abilities."

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  1. So, now is it finally legal to... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Funny

    >> "death by GPS."

    So, now is it finally legal to slap the phone out of pedestrians hands when they're about to stumble off the curb (whether into a crosswalk or not). I know I already honk at drivers who are staring at their dashboard (or their lap) as they inch through an intersection or change lanes on a highway.

    1. Re:So, now is it finally legal to... by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Get a railroad locomotive horn. Don't fuck around with half steps.

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    2. Re:So, now is it finally legal to... by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I keep telling my wife that this is why I want to install a really loud air horn in my car, think semi truck loud, but she says no.

      I'm sorry...why the fuck are you asking your wife about what you want to do with YOUR car...?

      Even with that...why would you listen..it is your car, enjoy man.

      Grow a pair and do what you want on your own car....

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    3. Re:So, now is it finally legal to... by KGIII · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Every year, without fail, I get at least one whole bus of Canadians coming up my driveway. On GPS, and many years ago it was one, it appears to be a road. It looks like a nice little shortcut up and over the mountain that brings you back in on another road that brings you back to the main road. The bus is full of Canadians looking at foliage. We'll get back to that...

      So, sure enough, they drive up and I suppose that there was a time, in the distant past, where you could have driven up my driveway and gone to this other road. However, that other road has stuff like mud holes and ruts big enough to make me think a bus might not be a good idea. I mean, yeah, I've driven on it but I'm retarded and have appropriate vehicles. Then, there's the driveway part. Yes, at some point, this was a road - it was a logging road. I've been told that it is still a road by an unhappy bus driver. I pointed out the many, many trees that go where the driveway is pointing and the lack of any road. Fortunately, my driveway is now paved so I've yet to have a stuck bus in my driveway.

      Now, back to the foliage. I mean really close - but north of it. In the winter, I can take a snowmobile to Canada quicker than I can get there in a car. It's maybe 40 minutes away from Canada by car IF I count going through the border checkpoint. The snowmobile trail doesn't even really have a border checkpoint most of the time - you just cross. Yes, I must speed like a bastard to do it faster on a snowmobile but I know it can be done. It's also a good idea to point out that there are the same damned trees and same damned mountains over there.

      I have yet to figure out why, exactly, they are driving up my driveway to look at foliage but I do know that they're following their GPS and I can confirm that every GPS device I've ever used, and checked, indicates my driveway is a road. As far as I know, they have done this every single year that I've been there. The first year it was not paved, that had some potential to be amusing. I guess I don't mind but it is a little shocking the first time you see a big ol' bus that says "CHARTER" on the front come plodding up your driveway and it's full of old people taking pictures.

      I have no idea how to get the GPS map data changed. The Rand atlas thingy has it on there but it's indicated as dirt and stops just about where it should stop. Google and Bing both show(ed) it as a road, actually a "stub" of a road (for lack of a better word) - but not connected to the other one. I don't really mind the company but it's still a bit odd to see a bus full of old people. More than once, they've clamored out of the bus along with the driver, like it's a giant amusement park or something, to find out what's going on. Someone, somewhere, is showing their grandkids pictures of their foliage trip to Maine (that looks just like Canada) and in their deck of slides is a picture of my driveway.

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    4. Re:So, now is it finally legal to... by riverat1 · · Score: 2

      Why don't you put up a sign at the entry of your driveway that says "This is not a through road despite what your GPS might say!"

    5. Re:So, now is it finally legal to... by KGIII · · Score: 2

      Nah, I don't mind 'em. They're just trying to look at leaves. I don't know why they've come to my house to do it but they're mostly harmless. As i said to the other person who replied, I'm not kidding about them having gotten out with the driver.

      There's a few things Maine has... Almost without fail, there is a streetlight at every street intersection in the middle of nowhere. That's not always true but it's true more often than not and it's almost invariably true if you're outside of the town but still in an area with power lines. There is no streetlight across from my driveway. Also, that trick is sort of universal and applies to other States once you're out of the city.

      We also have, mandated by law, on every single municipally owned road is adorned with a green sign for the EMS folks. This is not optional. I think it even goes on private roads - roads with more than one residence. I do not have one. I am the soul resident even though there's a second residence.

      They also, pretty much, all have street signs as was mandated and funded by the State of Maine. Again, for the purpose of EMS. I believe the old system is either depreciated or in the process but they still have the small green signs with numbers on them. There are both. Careful observation will show that I have no sign. I do not even have a KGIII Way sign on my driveway.

      I do have a mailbox. There are many like but this one is mine. It has my last name printed clearly on it. There are no other mailboxes. This might be a good indicator that this is not actually a road, no matter what the GPS tells you. If you use a map, that will (maybe) show you the driveway but it's a bit like this:

      ===--- -/- === (Do not ask me how to get to the middle section - it indicates that the bridge is out, as near as I can tell, there's never been a bridge there - there's a bridge on the other road and it was out but the snowmobile club asked if they could put a new one in and I agreed. It will probably not hold a bus.)

      So, no... No, I don't really mind 'em. It's just odd. I can't think of a year when I haven't seen them if I was home. I presume they go there when I'm not there. I've not yet found a note on the door, a bus in the woods, or a bunch of angry Canadians when I returned. Presumably, they turn around. Given that I have enough asphalt for them to turn around on, I'm going to not really notice it unless they go off the driveway. If they do, they might actually still be there when I get back.

      However, and by now you should know I jest not, I'd certainly invite them to hang out for a while and have coffee, juice, tea, and a snack - if I knew they were coming. Some of my friends are "crafters." I'd have 'em set up tables and sell 'em stuff on my lawn. Maybe get the Historical Society (Hysterical Society) up here from down in the village with their display and have 'em tell 'em about the land. It has a mildly interesting history - it's old logging areas but still lots of old growth. There was a mill, it's still there but defunct. It ran on a steam engine, etc... It's got the big ol' leather belt thing in it still and a giant saw but it's mostly fallen down.

      So, yeah, I'd be unneighborly if I didn't fix 'em something to drink and eat. It's the Mainer thing to do and I'm trying to fit in. It's my job to adapt, not their job to adapt to me. I'm still really baffled as to why they think it's a road. I've never actually gotten much of an answer except that it was on the GPS and that it looked like a good idea at the time. There's a bit of a language barrier. My Canadian French (Qubequois?) is not so very good. I can order beer, find a bathroom, and get laid but finding out why they picked my driveway is beyond my limited vocabulary.

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    6. Re:So, now is it finally legal to... by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 4, Funny

      Single again are you? I wonder why...

      No...I have plenty of girlfriends and those I can and do date as I please.

      Your left and right hand don't, strictly speaking, count as girlfriends.

    7. Re: So, now is it finally legal to... by SharpFang · · Score: 2

      Actually, that post cuts both ways. Replace "wife" with "husband", "woman" with "man".

      Except then it's not "mysogynic". It becomes "empowering".

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  2. Uh... let me think about it by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No. This is silly. You're better off having GPS than not having it - just don't shut off your common sense at the same time.

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    1. Re:Uh... let me think about it by eumoria · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, the woman who drove for two days to a destination 2 hours away has nothing to do with the GPS. That has everything to do with stupid.

    2. Re:Uh... let me think about it by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're better off having GPS than not having it

      Depends on how you're defining it. Following word-by-word directions as seems to be so popular today--you're better off without that. Having a map, on which GPS will show you where you are, that's great. You know where you are and what's around you. But following directions blindly--and you don't have any choice but to follow directions blindly if you don't have a map--you're not better off with that.

    3. Re:Uh... let me think about it by VernonNemitz · · Score: 2

      The Boy Scouts offer a merit badge in mapping. I suspect the real problem is that while maps are common, large numbers of folks never really learned how to use them. Sounds to me like an elementary-school class on the topic is in order.

    4. Re:Uh... let me think about it by lgw · · Score: 5, Interesting

      TFS said

      Could society's embrace of GPS be eroding our cognitive maps?

      I delivered pizza for a few years, before GPS, and a few hours of taking orders will disabuse you of this naive notion that most people have "cognitive maps". Most people do not know where they live! They can't tell you the nearest major intersection. What they know is a sequence of steps to follow to get to their house.

      "Turn left at the big tree. Turn right where the church was before it burned down. Turn left where Johnny was hit by that drunk drive last year. Look for the red house."

      I'm only slightly exaggerating. I really do encourage everyone to use maps, to learn to change your "pathing" dynamically when conditions change, to know where you are not just the steps you took to get there. To quote the REM song: "Stand in the place where you work. Now face north. Think about direction; wonder why you haven't before ". Can you do it without looking anything up?

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    5. Re:Uh... let me think about it by Xolotl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed, I almost always have my GPS muted, just using it as a moving map with live traffic information (Google Maps FTW) and ETA. And I look at the ETA and journey time before I start to see if it looks reasonable.

      That said, the Belgian woman was lying and using "GPS made me do it" as cover. No one is that stupid, for one thing you can't drive for two days straight without breaks and rest, which would be a dead give-away to anyone with enough cognitive function to actually be able to drive. Not to mention signposts in several different languages along the way

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    6. Re:Uh... let me think about it by oakgrove · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have never figured out how any adult could possibly not know how to read a map. It just seems so blindingly obvious. You simply look at the damn thing. Isn't visual pattern recognition humanity's greatest advantage? I seriously don't get it. Maybe good old fashioned laziness is the problem.

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    7. Re:Uh... let me think about it by 110010001000 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hate to break it to you guys, but the GPS will more reliably find you an optimum route than you can find yourself. That is because the GPS "knows" more than you do: current traffic conditions, road closures, etc. I know people pooh pooh GPS directions and say "I know a faster way" but they really don't 90% of the time.

    8. Re:Uh... let me think about it by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You also need to look at it in the right orientation. You also need to know which roads connect and which roads are overpasses, etc. You also need to know which roads have a higher speed limit, more lanes, etc. You also need to know how to estimate non-linear distances, or be able to use the distance markers on the map. There is more to it then just "looking at it".

    9. Re:Uh... let me think about it by peragrin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      She drove from Belgium to Croatia. She had to cross into 4 countries. With 5 different languages.

      Just how far out of it do you have to be?

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    10. Re:Uh... let me think about it by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 2

      The Boy Scout merit badge is on orienteering which goes well beyond the basic skill to read a map. The mastery of basic map skills is taught to the little cub scouts, those below the middle of 5th grade. Last fall I taught 10 second graders the basics of how to read and use a map at camp.

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    11. Re:Uh... let me think about it by paulpach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're better off having GPS than not having it

      Depends on how you're defining it. Following word-by-word directions as seems to be so popular today--you're better off without that. Having a map, on which GPS will show you where you are, that's great. You know where you are and what's around you. But following directions blindly--and you don't have any choice but to follow directions blindly if you don't have a map--you're not better off with that.

      So, you are saying we are better off taking the eyes off the road to look down on a map while doing 70 mph?

      Have some people died because the GPS took them to the wrong place? sure, I have no trouble believing it.
      But how many deaths have been prevented by GPS because drivers were not distracted trying to figure out where to go?

    12. Re:Uh... let me think about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      SO MUCH THIS.

      Everyone loves to go on about cognitive maps and how good they are with directions, but putting them in a random nearby town and asking directions back home and they are confused to high hell. Never mind an unknown town.
      Most people just barely know the directions to their homes from their own town!
      Ask them the street and less than half likely know it by heart!
      God forbid you ask them their phone number. This generation of people barely know that.

      It is true that studying maps can improve a persons spatial mapping, taxi drivers have some of the best spatial awarenesses around on average, followed up by delivery drivers and a few others, but it sharply drops off after that for the average.
      Thing is, it isn't even really all that hard to improve.
      All you need to do is follow routes and imagining the best routes to take to maximize speed, alternate routes if you need to visit multiple places and stuff like that.
      Imagining the turns each time as you go along those routes, keeping a running score of each turn.

      Average Geography education is here's a map, looks awful right, here's some facts about it, now piss about and do whatever.
        I was so let down by Geography in school. It is such an underused subject that has only damaged the industries that stem from it because it ends up being sub-par and uninteresting.

    13. Re:Uh... let me think about it by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My guess is that she drove to Croatia to hookup with someone she met online, and then she made up the story about the defective GPS as a cover story. Since everyone believed the story, maybe she isn't as dumb as you think.

    14. Re:Uh... let me think about it by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      I have never figured out how any adult could possibly not know how to read a map. It just seems so blindingly obvious. You simply look at the damn thing. Isn't visual pattern recognition humanity's greatest advantage?

      No, you don't simply "look at the damn thing". You also have to be able to relate the information on the map to landmarks in the real world - a much more difficult proposition not only because the real world is a spatial relationship problem (as compared to the pattern relationship problem of the map), but also because those spatial relationships are subject to perception as well.
       
      I wish I could find a link to the studies I saw back in the 90's where they asked random people to draw a map of their hometown - and very few bore much relationship to each other or to the real world. Long routes were often drawn as short ones - especially if it was a route the person drawing the map drove frequently. Familiar areas took up large areas on the map, often in great detail, while the unfamiliar interstitials were compressed or absent. (Etc... etc...)
       
      For example; back in my hometown new folks often had problems navigating via map because the city's 'cultural' map is rotated counter-clockwise nearly forty five degrees from the real world. Basically the road that ran out of the original settlement ran NW-SE, but folks called it the "North road" and the "South road". Two hundred and fifty years later, street names and business names still represent this convention in contravention to what you'd think based on their map directions and position. In the town my mom lives in now she lives in "Southside" (so named a century ago when the town was much smaller), but on the map it's actually nearer the north central part of the city. And there too, the residents think of the lion's share of the metro area as being the "south side of town".

    15. Re:Uh... let me think about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know it is not politically correct - but what you are talking about are "girl directions". You typically get those "turn right past the donut place, if you get to the big red barn you've gone too far" type of directions from women. Men usually give the "take I5 north to state 295, then take that west, then exit on sycamore and bear right" type directions. Not always, but it is more than just my anecdote - many people have noticed that this is common.

    16. Re:Uh... let me think about it by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Cellphones must be a godsend to 911 in this regard. I wonder how many people died over the years because they couldn't tell the ambulance where to come?

      So, in a sense, we're working against natural selection now by allowing people this dumb to live when in the recent past they would have died?

    17. Re:Uh... let me think about it by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because local knowledge doesn't know about CURRENT traffic conditions or road closures or accidents or...

      Neither does a GPS without an internet connection.

      That's not true, for somewhat variable values of not true. I have a Garmin Nuvi 1450LMT IIRC, the LMT I'm sure about — it has liftime maps and traffic. The vehicle charging cable is also a receiver for traffic information. ISTR it's sent next to FM radio frequencies, but that could be complete horseshit. I've had it work when I've driven through metro areas.

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    18. Re:Uh... let me think about it by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Which really worries me when I think about self-driving cars.

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    19. Re:Uh... let me think about it by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It depends. The GPS is only as good as the data it's been given. So I've found that for long trips, it's generally good, but it can make some really bad calls sometimes. For instance, I frequently drive about an hour north from my house to DC. My car's GPS (using HERE maps) gives me a completely sensible route, which I follow. Google Maps, however, wants me to take an early left turn onto some windy little single-lane country road, probably because it might technically be 100 feet shorter in absolute distance that way. But it's a much slower route: I tried it once or twice and got stuck behind very slow drivers. I never went that way again because the slightly longer route is along main roads and doesn't have this problem.

      Also, very close to your destination, GPS can make errors. I'm thinking of one restaurant I used to frequent, where Google Maps would tell me to turn before the restaurant and go an extra half-mile in a big circle, all because it didn't think I could take a left turn into the restaurant's parking lot, when in fact there's a turn lane there for that very purpose.

      Basically, with GPS, you need to zoom out and look at the route it's chosen for you, and make sure it isn't doing anything really stupid. And if you're not familiar with an area, you need to be extra cautious because it'll happily guide you onto small residential streets or other stupid routes. It also helps to have multiple GPS units running at once. My car's system works pretty well and of course is well-integrated, but it doesn't have traffic updates or show alternate routes in real-time (it's based on stored maps). Google Maps does those things, but more frequently makes poor choices for routes (tiny country roads like I mentioned above). Having two different systems in parallel can help you cross check them against each other. The bottom line: never fully trust a GPS system.

      I really should install Waze and try that out to see how it compares to Google Maps.

    20. Re:Uh... let me think about it by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have mixed experiences with my Garmin Nuvi. On one hand, it often comes up with a really brilliant solution that seems daft right up until you magically arrive at your destination by the most brilliant route possible. On the other hand, sometimes it sends me several blocks out of the way for literally no reason whatsoever. It doesn't save me any stop signs or anything. I use it anyway, and mostly just trust it because sometimes it knows something really important like how to avoid an inexplicable one-way street, but I'd like it to put a little more effort into avoiding those pointless cases. And yes, I have traffic, but never has it lit up the map in one of those cases to suggest that it was doing me a favor.

      Oh look, I have a 5 minute posting delay. How quaint.

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    21. Re:Uh... let me think about it by dinfinity · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That sounds like a much more reasonable explanation.

      The official story makes no sense at all: "Sabine Moreau, 67, had intended to drive to Brussels from her home in Solre-sur-Sambre to pick up a friend from the train station - a journey of just 38 miles."

      Forget about the road signs, refueling, sleeping, etc.
      What happened to the friend? Did they not communicate at all? Something like: "Hey, you were supposed to pick me up half an hour ago, where are you?"
      I take it she didn't think that keeping somebody waiting at a train station for two days is acceptable, let alone helpful.

      OnTopic:
      The solution to this 'problem' is deathly simple (and it is not 'forget your GPS device'). If you plan a route in reasonable unknown terrain, switch to a 2D north-top map view, zoom out and inspect the route. Your geographical knowledge will actually grow and you can double-check whether the route makes sense and if the device fails, you have some memory of where you want to end up and how to get there.

    22. Re:Uh... let me think about it by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Any decent GPS system allows you to select "avoid toll roads".

      However, I haven't seen any give you the option in real-time. For instance, Google Maps currently will suggest alternate routes as you drive, showing you how much extra time they'll take: "3 minutes slower", etc. However, what it doesn't do, and should, is suggest alternates and show how much more or less it'll cost you. You'd think this would be a pretty obvious feature to offer, given they already have it showing alternate routes.

    23. Re:Uh... let me think about it by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      No, the essence of the traditional 911 system was a database with the physical location of every landline number. Even if you just picked up the phone and wheezed into it, help was on the way.

      This has now been updated with cellphone autolocation. In my town, where mountain search-and-rescue is a big deal, I'm trying to get the 911 system to start accepting text messages. When somebody breaks a hip in a deep canyon, text will often get through when voice won't.

    24. Re:Uh... let me think about it by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I glance down at my map about as often as a glance down at my speedometer - when I'm sufficiently unsure of the result. Both are about the same level of distraction.

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    25. Re:Uh... let me think about it by KGIII · · Score: 2

      Well... This references the post I made above. Err... You wouldn't happen to be a bus driver from Canada taking a bunch of old people on a foliage viewing trip? 'Cause if you are, that'd be awesome and I'll see you in the fall... Again... If you call ahead of time, I'll make coffee and set out some refreshments.

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    26. Re:Uh... let me think about it by Calydor · · Score: 4, Informative

      There ARE still big signs saying "Now leaving Country X and entering Country Y!" followed by a quick list of the rules of the road in that country - city speed, highway speed, must have lights on during daytime or not ... It really is hard to miss, ESPECIALLY when all the city names become hard to pronounce!

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    27. Re:Uh... let me think about it by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Hate to break it to you guys, but the GPS will more reliably find you an optimum route than you can find yourself. That is because the GPS "knows" more than you do: current traffic conditions, road closures, etc. I know people pooh pooh GPS directions and say "I know a faster way" but they really don't 90% of the time.

      Maybe your navigation system does, but GPS knows absolutely nothing. Unless your maps are up to date it doesn't even know where the road leads, much less how the current conditions are.

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    28. Re:Uh... let me think about it by lgw · · Score: 2

      Yep, the map on my GPS is certainly more useful than a fold-up map, though maps I print out custom to my route work fine when I don't have a GPS.

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    29. Re:Uh... let me think about it by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, the woman who drove for two days to a destination 2 hours away has nothing to do with the GPS. That has everything to do with stupid.

      And yet, these SAME women will bitch and moan at us for not asking directions.

      Geez, first we gave them the vote, and then drivers licenses, and the world has gone downhill ever since then....

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  3. GPS is just an aid by reboot246 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm old enough to have learned how to navigate without GPS or even maps. I use GPS nowadays, but only as an aid (ETA is fairly accurate). I've seen it make enough mistakes to not ever trust it 100%.

    Learn the basics: the "sun rises in the east and sets in the west" type of stuff. Learn how roads are numbered: north/south are generally odd numbered, etc.. Learn which way the mountains in your area are oriented. Buy a map and get acquainted with the area and which way the main roads are laid out.

    It ain't that hard to find your way around. I've spent nearly forty years going to places I've never been to before and I haven't been lost once.

    1. Re:GPS is just an aid by Wonko · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm old enough to have learned how to navigate without GPS or even maps. I use GPS nowadays

      Jesus Christ Potatoes! How old ARE you?! They had already invented maps long before I was old enough to drive!

    2. Re:GPS is just an aid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You navigated before maps? Moses, is that you?

    3. Re:GPS is just an aid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Moses used God Positioning Service, and he was lost in the desert for 40 years. And it even drove him into a sea!
      He died just after hearing "You have arrived at your destination".

  4. The problem is user error. by timrod · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem isn't that the GPS is wrong, the problem is that the user is in error. In the Iceland case, the driver made a typo and wound up going to a similarly-named road 250 miles away. Had he entered the correct street name, he would likely have made it to his destination without a problem. I'm guessing the Belgium-Croatia case is similar.

    1. Re:The problem is user error. by rudy_wayne · · Score: 2

      The problem isn't that the GPS is wrong, the problem is that the user is in error.

      Well the latter case is sheer idiocy if a two hour drive turned into TWO DAYS.

      GPS is far from perfect. But, there are a lot of very stupid people in the world. This is not news.

  5. Common Sense...Use It. by sycodon · · Score: 2

    And I thought people driving into a lake because the GPS told them to turn right was an episode of The Office.

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    1. Re:Common Sense...Use It. by sycodon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, fucked THAT post up.

      The Office

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  6. User interface flaw by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some of the GPS units I've used just start giving you street directions right away after you enter a destination. The better ones I've used (including Google Maps) start with an overhead view of your entire route, then zoom in to the street-by-street view. That makes it rather simple to spot silly errors like driving from San Francisco to Springfield, Missouri, instead of Springfield, California.

  7. Doomed to Failure.. by zamboni1138 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These people are doomed to failure from the beginning. After learning how to operate a vehicle safely (note this apply's to almost any vehicle: car, bike, plane, boat, etc.) your second goal is to properly navigate that vehicle in the public domain. Most countries by now have implemented at least a basic form of navigation for at least a few forms of transport.

    For example, in a few weeks I will be driving from Reno to Las Vegas, NV. I have 100% confidence that I will not get lost at any point during this journey, with or without GPS. I already know the route I wish to take, which roads I will be using, which towns I will be passing through, and about how long it is between each town. I even know where I will probably stop for gas and lunch in Tonopah. I have a printed map, and know that for the most part I will be on US-95. The state has kindly marked these roads with signs that I can follow. If these people can't figure out that they should be going mostly East instead of mostly Southwest, and do so for days, even hours, GPS isn't the problem.

  8. Vs. What Other Statistic? by JD-1027 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So what is the other side of the statistic? How many times has a GPS unit sent someone in the correct direction, when a human would have driven the wrong way without the GPS?

  9. Just wait for the auto drive cars to fail in the s by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    Just wait for the auto drive cars to fail in the same way.

  10. for christs sake... by hottoh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is navigation.
    Navigation software working with the navigation mapping software which is the problem described in fine /. summary.

    GPS is the fancy clocks floating about in space.

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  11. Death Valley NP couldn't contact Google to update by Petronius+Arbiter · · Score: 2

    From the linked article about deaths from GPS in Death Valley NP:

    The mapping people at the National Parks Service were unable to contact a human being at Google to update their map, but could talk to Tom Tom.

    I've heard that story also from other professional source.

    That doesn't absolve stupidity, but still, it's nice when maps mark the important stuff. But then, Google maps violates most of the rules of good cartography.

    Garmin's response to someone following their GPS half-way under a low bridge was, "Would you follow your GPS through a red light?"

  12. Another lesson lost to the ages by RatherBeAnonymous · · Score: 2

    Back in the dark ages, about circa 2010, researchers found evidence that GPS may erode navigational ability.

    "Functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) scans were taken of older adults who were GPS and non-GPS users. The subjects accustomed to navigating by spatial means were found to have higher activity and a greater volume of grey matter in the hippocampus than those used to relying on GPS."

    http://phys.org/news/2010-11-r...

  13. This has nothing to do with GPS. by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It has to do with people who are cognitively damaged/incompetent and are unable to comprehend that "this shouldn't be".

    People have been wandering and getting lost long before GPS navigation was a consumer product. Ever since we've had an interstate system, people have been getting on the southbound ramp instead of northbound and winding up in Florida 2 days after they started the hour trip to visit the grandkids. Before that, they'd just wander into the wilderness and get eaten by a bear.

    If somebody enters a destination in their GPS and it says the estimated travel time is 3 hours and they know it's a 5 mile trip, it's not the GPS' fault if they shrug and start driving.

    Probably a form of mental illness.

  14. Shortest Distance Considered Harmful by rlp · · Score: 2

    I do a lot of driving out in the forests and rural areas with GPS for navigation. I've noticed that I often need to be sure to set the GPS for Shortest Time rather than Shortest Distance. Setting the GPS to Shortest Distance can result in the GPS directing me via routes like 'Forestry Road #13' or worse.

    The other thing I've noticed is that I can start a trip in town using my phone GPS and get directions to a rural location (actually hiking trailhead) and then on return be somewhere with no cell signal and be unable to get return directions.

    I now travel with smart phone, stand-alone car GPS, and a paper map. I've occasionally had to resort to the paper map.

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  15. Getting lost is news? Then GPS must be good. by fizzup · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If some driver getting themselves lost is a news story, then GPS must be incredibly good at giving correct directions.

  16. The real problems (not GPS) by spork+invasion · · Score: 2

    GPS isn't the problem here. Perhaps I'm being pedantic when I say that, but it needs to be said. If it were the problem, it would likely be obvious; the location fix would be totally wrong and the directions wouldn't make any sense. It might say to turn where there's no place to turn or, quite possibly, indicate you're not on a road at all when you actually are. The real problem is a combination of software issues, poor design, and user error.

    I do see some very strange routes that come out of some mapping software. I live in a city that's mostly a grid with some major north-south and east-west roads. If I plan my own route, I'll tend to stay on those main roads. That makes sense because the speed limits tend to be higher, there are fewer uncontrolled intersections, and the stoplights will be timed such that you're less likely to hit red lights on those roads. Mapping software often plots a course that zigzags through the streets. I suppose the software projects it saves a few seconds, but I'm not convinced it's the optimal route. I make trips east to St. Louis from time to time, and Google Maps gives me some bizarre alternate routes. If I'm heading east on I-70, an alternate route that follows I-64 (or if you're from St. Louis it's Highway 40) makes sense. It's probably a time difference of a minute or two. However, many times the alternate route offered involves taking some state highway down to I-44 or something like that, which can add an hour to the trip. I have no clue why this is a logical alternate route, but it's what the software finds. Thankfully I know not to consider those routes.

    Poor design can be an issue. If it's easy for the user to select the wrong destination, that's a big problem. That certainly sounds like the case here in the linked story. If the user can't easily verify that the destination entered is really where they want to go, then poor design can be to blame.

    That said, none of this is a substitute for common sense. If a route looks really strange or if the estimated time seems way too long, that's because it probably is. Driving for two days and crossing international borders for a trip that's supposed to be two hours long cannot simply be blamed on mapping software. The user is an idiot. At minimum, you have to cross two international borders to get from Belgium to Croatia. Quite possibly it was more than two, which should have been a huge warning sign that the user was too foolish to pay attention to.

    GPS is a wonderful tool. I tend not to rely heavily on it to give me precise directions. I tend to follow the approximate route if it looks reasonable to me. I also use it to tell me where I am and roughly how long it is until the next turn and when I need to watch for particular road signs. That said, it's no substitute for common sense, knowing how to read a map, and watching the signs along the road.

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  17. Re:The unmarried speak... by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

    You aren't married are you? Anyone who is married is laughing at your naivety right now. (Including me)

    No, I"m not...I do NOT want kids. Therefore, there is no reason to get married, and risk losing half of what I own whenever I decide I want to move on to a different woman.

    I have had a number of very long term relationships (each of numerous years)....and sure, I know that requires some compromise, but seriously, a fucking car horn he has to ask about? Does he also ask if he can have a pudding cup or a beer before dinner??

    There's a difference between compromise in a relationship, and being a spineless yes "man" in a relationship where you feel you have to ask or get permission for anything you do.

    Yes, I say, grow a pair....women don't respect you if you don't assert yourself, show confidence, and show that you know (or at least project that you know) what you want in life.

    If fact, being too much of a pussy, can put your at risk of losing your dear woman.

    Just because you put a ring on her finger, doesn't mean you should let her put one through your nose and guide your ass around the rest of your life.

    If it gets too bad...well, there are a ton of other women out there, a dime a dozen.....

    But hey if you want to be monogamous your life with one women, fine....but you still don't have to be a pussy and cow-tow to the woman. If you have to get WAF (Wife Approval Factor) for simply changing the horn in your very own car you have....you've got some problems my friend.

    Geez, do you ask permission to change the radio station too?

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  18. Put up a toll sign and profit! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Put up a toll sign and profit!