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Drivers Need To Forget Their GPS

HughPickens.com writes: Greg Milner writes in the NYT that an American tourist in Iceland directed the GPS unit in his rental car to guide him from Keflavik International Airport to a hotel in nearby Reykjavik, and ended up 250 icy miles away in Siglufjordur, a fishing village on the outskirts of the Arctic Circle. Mr. Santillan apparently explained that he was very tired after his flight and had "put his faith in the GPS." In another incident, a woman in Belgium asked GPS to take her to a destination less than two hours away and two days later, she turned up in Croatia. Finally disastrous incidents involving drivers following disused roads and disappearing into remote areas of Death Valley in California have became so common that park rangers gave them a name: "death by GPS." "If we're being honest, it's not that hard to imagine doing something similar ourselves" says Milner. "Most of us use GPS as a crutch while driving through unfamiliar terrain, tuning out and letting that soothing voice do the dirty work of navigating."

Could society's embrace of GPS be eroding our cognitive maps? Julia Frankenstein, a psychologist at the University of Freiburg's Center for Cognitive Science, says the danger of GPS is that "we are not forced to remember or process the information — as it is permanently 'at hand,' we need not think or decide for ourselves." "Next time you're in a new place, forget the GPS device. Study a map to get your bearings, then try to focus on your memory of it to find your way around. City maps do not tell you each step, but they provide a wealth of abstract survey knowledge. Fill in these memories with your own navigational experience, and give your brain the chance to live up to its abilities."

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  1. So, now is it finally legal to... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Funny

    >> "death by GPS."

    So, now is it finally legal to slap the phone out of pedestrians hands when they're about to stumble off the curb (whether into a crosswalk or not). I know I already honk at drivers who are staring at their dashboard (or their lap) as they inch through an intersection or change lanes on a highway.

    1. Re:So, now is it finally legal to... by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Get a railroad locomotive horn. Don't fuck around with half steps.

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    2. Re:So, now is it finally legal to... by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I keep telling my wife that this is why I want to install a really loud air horn in my car, think semi truck loud, but she says no.

      I'm sorry...why the fuck are you asking your wife about what you want to do with YOUR car...?

      Even with that...why would you listen..it is your car, enjoy man.

      Grow a pair and do what you want on your own car....

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    3. Re:So, now is it finally legal to... by KGIII · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Every year, without fail, I get at least one whole bus of Canadians coming up my driveway. On GPS, and many years ago it was one, it appears to be a road. It looks like a nice little shortcut up and over the mountain that brings you back in on another road that brings you back to the main road. The bus is full of Canadians looking at foliage. We'll get back to that...

      So, sure enough, they drive up and I suppose that there was a time, in the distant past, where you could have driven up my driveway and gone to this other road. However, that other road has stuff like mud holes and ruts big enough to make me think a bus might not be a good idea. I mean, yeah, I've driven on it but I'm retarded and have appropriate vehicles. Then, there's the driveway part. Yes, at some point, this was a road - it was a logging road. I've been told that it is still a road by an unhappy bus driver. I pointed out the many, many trees that go where the driveway is pointing and the lack of any road. Fortunately, my driveway is now paved so I've yet to have a stuck bus in my driveway.

      Now, back to the foliage. I mean really close - but north of it. In the winter, I can take a snowmobile to Canada quicker than I can get there in a car. It's maybe 40 minutes away from Canada by car IF I count going through the border checkpoint. The snowmobile trail doesn't even really have a border checkpoint most of the time - you just cross. Yes, I must speed like a bastard to do it faster on a snowmobile but I know it can be done. It's also a good idea to point out that there are the same damned trees and same damned mountains over there.

      I have yet to figure out why, exactly, they are driving up my driveway to look at foliage but I do know that they're following their GPS and I can confirm that every GPS device I've ever used, and checked, indicates my driveway is a road. As far as I know, they have done this every single year that I've been there. The first year it was not paved, that had some potential to be amusing. I guess I don't mind but it is a little shocking the first time you see a big ol' bus that says "CHARTER" on the front come plodding up your driveway and it's full of old people taking pictures.

      I have no idea how to get the GPS map data changed. The Rand atlas thingy has it on there but it's indicated as dirt and stops just about where it should stop. Google and Bing both show(ed) it as a road, actually a "stub" of a road (for lack of a better word) - but not connected to the other one. I don't really mind the company but it's still a bit odd to see a bus full of old people. More than once, they've clamored out of the bus along with the driver, like it's a giant amusement park or something, to find out what's going on. Someone, somewhere, is showing their grandkids pictures of their foliage trip to Maine (that looks just like Canada) and in their deck of slides is a picture of my driveway.

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    4. Re:So, now is it finally legal to... by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 4, Funny

      Single again are you? I wonder why...

      No...I have plenty of girlfriends and those I can and do date as I please.

      Your left and right hand don't, strictly speaking, count as girlfriends.

  2. Uh... let me think about it by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No. This is silly. You're better off having GPS than not having it - just don't shut off your common sense at the same time.

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    1. Re:Uh... let me think about it by eumoria · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, the woman who drove for two days to a destination 2 hours away has nothing to do with the GPS. That has everything to do with stupid.

    2. Re:Uh... let me think about it by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're better off having GPS than not having it

      Depends on how you're defining it. Following word-by-word directions as seems to be so popular today--you're better off without that. Having a map, on which GPS will show you where you are, that's great. You know where you are and what's around you. But following directions blindly--and you don't have any choice but to follow directions blindly if you don't have a map--you're not better off with that.

    3. Re:Uh... let me think about it by lgw · · Score: 5, Interesting

      TFS said

      Could society's embrace of GPS be eroding our cognitive maps?

      I delivered pizza for a few years, before GPS, and a few hours of taking orders will disabuse you of this naive notion that most people have "cognitive maps". Most people do not know where they live! They can't tell you the nearest major intersection. What they know is a sequence of steps to follow to get to their house.

      "Turn left at the big tree. Turn right where the church was before it burned down. Turn left where Johnny was hit by that drunk drive last year. Look for the red house."

      I'm only slightly exaggerating. I really do encourage everyone to use maps, to learn to change your "pathing" dynamically when conditions change, to know where you are not just the steps you took to get there. To quote the REM song: "Stand in the place where you work. Now face north. Think about direction; wonder why you haven't before ". Can you do it without looking anything up?

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    4. Re:Uh... let me think about it by Xolotl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed, I almost always have my GPS muted, just using it as a moving map with live traffic information (Google Maps FTW) and ETA. And I look at the ETA and journey time before I start to see if it looks reasonable.

      That said, the Belgian woman was lying and using "GPS made me do it" as cover. No one is that stupid, for one thing you can't drive for two days straight without breaks and rest, which would be a dead give-away to anyone with enough cognitive function to actually be able to drive. Not to mention signposts in several different languages along the way

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    5. Re:Uh... let me think about it by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You also need to look at it in the right orientation. You also need to know which roads connect and which roads are overpasses, etc. You also need to know which roads have a higher speed limit, more lanes, etc. You also need to know how to estimate non-linear distances, or be able to use the distance markers on the map. There is more to it then just "looking at it".

    6. Re:Uh... let me think about it by peragrin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      She drove from Belgium to Croatia. She had to cross into 4 countries. With 5 different languages.

      Just how far out of it do you have to be?

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    7. Re:Uh... let me think about it by paulpach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're better off having GPS than not having it

      Depends on how you're defining it. Following word-by-word directions as seems to be so popular today--you're better off without that. Having a map, on which GPS will show you where you are, that's great. You know where you are and what's around you. But following directions blindly--and you don't have any choice but to follow directions blindly if you don't have a map--you're not better off with that.

      So, you are saying we are better off taking the eyes off the road to look down on a map while doing 70 mph?

      Have some people died because the GPS took them to the wrong place? sure, I have no trouble believing it.
      But how many deaths have been prevented by GPS because drivers were not distracted trying to figure out where to go?

    8. Re:Uh... let me think about it by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My guess is that she drove to Croatia to hookup with someone she met online, and then she made up the story about the defective GPS as a cover story. Since everyone believed the story, maybe she isn't as dumb as you think.

    9. Re:Uh... let me think about it by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Cellphones must be a godsend to 911 in this regard. I wonder how many people died over the years because they couldn't tell the ambulance where to come?

      So, in a sense, we're working against natural selection now by allowing people this dumb to live when in the recent past they would have died?

    10. Re:Uh... let me think about it by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because local knowledge doesn't know about CURRENT traffic conditions or road closures or accidents or...

      Neither does a GPS without an internet connection.

      That's not true, for somewhat variable values of not true. I have a Garmin Nuvi 1450LMT IIRC, the LMT I'm sure about — it has liftime maps and traffic. The vehicle charging cable is also a receiver for traffic information. ISTR it's sent next to FM radio frequencies, but that could be complete horseshit. I've had it work when I've driven through metro areas.

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    11. Re:Uh... let me think about it by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It depends. The GPS is only as good as the data it's been given. So I've found that for long trips, it's generally good, but it can make some really bad calls sometimes. For instance, I frequently drive about an hour north from my house to DC. My car's GPS (using HERE maps) gives me a completely sensible route, which I follow. Google Maps, however, wants me to take an early left turn onto some windy little single-lane country road, probably because it might technically be 100 feet shorter in absolute distance that way. But it's a much slower route: I tried it once or twice and got stuck behind very slow drivers. I never went that way again because the slightly longer route is along main roads and doesn't have this problem.

      Also, very close to your destination, GPS can make errors. I'm thinking of one restaurant I used to frequent, where Google Maps would tell me to turn before the restaurant and go an extra half-mile in a big circle, all because it didn't think I could take a left turn into the restaurant's parking lot, when in fact there's a turn lane there for that very purpose.

      Basically, with GPS, you need to zoom out and look at the route it's chosen for you, and make sure it isn't doing anything really stupid. And if you're not familiar with an area, you need to be extra cautious because it'll happily guide you onto small residential streets or other stupid routes. It also helps to have multiple GPS units running at once. My car's system works pretty well and of course is well-integrated, but it doesn't have traffic updates or show alternate routes in real-time (it's based on stored maps). Google Maps does those things, but more frequently makes poor choices for routes (tiny country roads like I mentioned above). Having two different systems in parallel can help you cross check them against each other. The bottom line: never fully trust a GPS system.

      I really should install Waze and try that out to see how it compares to Google Maps.

    12. Re:Uh... let me think about it by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have mixed experiences with my Garmin Nuvi. On one hand, it often comes up with a really brilliant solution that seems daft right up until you magically arrive at your destination by the most brilliant route possible. On the other hand, sometimes it sends me several blocks out of the way for literally no reason whatsoever. It doesn't save me any stop signs or anything. I use it anyway, and mostly just trust it because sometimes it knows something really important like how to avoid an inexplicable one-way street, but I'd like it to put a little more effort into avoiding those pointless cases. And yes, I have traffic, but never has it lit up the map in one of those cases to suggest that it was doing me a favor.

      Oh look, I have a 5 minute posting delay. How quaint.

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    13. Re:Uh... let me think about it by dinfinity · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That sounds like a much more reasonable explanation.

      The official story makes no sense at all: "Sabine Moreau, 67, had intended to drive to Brussels from her home in Solre-sur-Sambre to pick up a friend from the train station - a journey of just 38 miles."

      Forget about the road signs, refueling, sleeping, etc.
      What happened to the friend? Did they not communicate at all? Something like: "Hey, you were supposed to pick me up half an hour ago, where are you?"
      I take it she didn't think that keeping somebody waiting at a train station for two days is acceptable, let alone helpful.

      OnTopic:
      The solution to this 'problem' is deathly simple (and it is not 'forget your GPS device'). If you plan a route in reasonable unknown terrain, switch to a 2D north-top map view, zoom out and inspect the route. Your geographical knowledge will actually grow and you can double-check whether the route makes sense and if the device fails, you have some memory of where you want to end up and how to get there.

    14. Re:Uh... let me think about it by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I glance down at my map about as often as a glance down at my speedometer - when I'm sufficiently unsure of the result. Both are about the same level of distraction.

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    15. Re:Uh... let me think about it by Calydor · · Score: 4, Informative

      There ARE still big signs saying "Now leaving Country X and entering Country Y!" followed by a quick list of the rules of the road in that country - city speed, highway speed, must have lights on during daytime or not ... It really is hard to miss, ESPECIALLY when all the city names become hard to pronounce!

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    16. Re:Uh... let me think about it by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, the woman who drove for two days to a destination 2 hours away has nothing to do with the GPS. That has everything to do with stupid.

      And yet, these SAME women will bitch and moan at us for not asking directions.

      Geez, first we gave them the vote, and then drivers licenses, and the world has gone downhill ever since then....

      ;)

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  3. GPS is just an aid by reboot246 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm old enough to have learned how to navigate without GPS or even maps. I use GPS nowadays, but only as an aid (ETA is fairly accurate). I've seen it make enough mistakes to not ever trust it 100%.

    Learn the basics: the "sun rises in the east and sets in the west" type of stuff. Learn how roads are numbered: north/south are generally odd numbered, etc.. Learn which way the mountains in your area are oriented. Buy a map and get acquainted with the area and which way the main roads are laid out.

    It ain't that hard to find your way around. I've spent nearly forty years going to places I've never been to before and I haven't been lost once.

    1. Re:GPS is just an aid by Wonko · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm old enough to have learned how to navigate without GPS or even maps. I use GPS nowadays

      Jesus Christ Potatoes! How old ARE you?! They had already invented maps long before I was old enough to drive!

    2. Re:GPS is just an aid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You navigated before maps? Moses, is that you?

    3. Re:GPS is just an aid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Moses used God Positioning Service, and he was lost in the desert for 40 years. And it even drove him into a sea!
      He died just after hearing "You have arrived at your destination".

  4. The problem is user error. by timrod · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem isn't that the GPS is wrong, the problem is that the user is in error. In the Iceland case, the driver made a typo and wound up going to a similarly-named road 250 miles away. Had he entered the correct street name, he would likely have made it to his destination without a problem. I'm guessing the Belgium-Croatia case is similar.

  5. User interface flaw by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some of the GPS units I've used just start giving you street directions right away after you enter a destination. The better ones I've used (including Google Maps) start with an overhead view of your entire route, then zoom in to the street-by-street view. That makes it rather simple to spot silly errors like driving from San Francisco to Springfield, Missouri, instead of Springfield, California.

  6. Re:Common Sense...Use It. by sycodon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, fucked THAT post up.

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  7. Doomed to Failure.. by zamboni1138 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These people are doomed to failure from the beginning. After learning how to operate a vehicle safely (note this apply's to almost any vehicle: car, bike, plane, boat, etc.) your second goal is to properly navigate that vehicle in the public domain. Most countries by now have implemented at least a basic form of navigation for at least a few forms of transport.

    For example, in a few weeks I will be driving from Reno to Las Vegas, NV. I have 100% confidence that I will not get lost at any point during this journey, with or without GPS. I already know the route I wish to take, which roads I will be using, which towns I will be passing through, and about how long it is between each town. I even know where I will probably stop for gas and lunch in Tonopah. I have a printed map, and know that for the most part I will be on US-95. The state has kindly marked these roads with signs that I can follow. If these people can't figure out that they should be going mostly East instead of mostly Southwest, and do so for days, even hours, GPS isn't the problem.

  8. Vs. What Other Statistic? by JD-1027 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So what is the other side of the statistic? How many times has a GPS unit sent someone in the correct direction, when a human would have driven the wrong way without the GPS?

  9. for christs sake... by hottoh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is navigation.
    Navigation software working with the navigation mapping software which is the problem described in fine /. summary.

    GPS is the fancy clocks floating about in space.

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  10. This has nothing to do with GPS. by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It has to do with people who are cognitively damaged/incompetent and are unable to comprehend that "this shouldn't be".

    People have been wandering and getting lost long before GPS navigation was a consumer product. Ever since we've had an interstate system, people have been getting on the southbound ramp instead of northbound and winding up in Florida 2 days after they started the hour trip to visit the grandkids. Before that, they'd just wander into the wilderness and get eaten by a bear.

    If somebody enters a destination in their GPS and it says the estimated travel time is 3 hours and they know it's a 5 mile trip, it's not the GPS' fault if they shrug and start driving.

    Probably a form of mental illness.

  11. Getting lost is news? Then GPS must be good. by fizzup · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If some driver getting themselves lost is a news story, then GPS must be incredibly good at giving correct directions.

  12. Put up a toll sign and profit! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Put up a toll sign and profit!