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Former Disney IT Worker's Complaint To Congress: How Can You Allow This? (computerworld.com)

dcblogs writes: At a congressional hearing Thursday on the H-1B visa's impact on high-skilled workers, the first person to testify was Leo Perrero, a former Disney IT worker. He was overcome with emotion for parts of it, pausing to gather himself as he told the story of how he was replaced by a foreign visa holder. Perrero wondered how he would tell his family that "I would soon be living on unemployment." He paused. The hearing room was still as the audience waited for him to continue."Later that same day I remember very clearly going to the local church pumpkin sale and having to tell the kids that we could not buy any because my job was going over to a foreign worker," he said. But a person who made a case for access to foreign workers was Mark O'Neill, the CTO of Jackthreads, an online retailer. He argued that there is a need for more skilled workers. Competition is so fierce for developers "that my developers' starting salaries have risen by 50% in the last eight years," said O'Neill, and "senior positions command compensation that meets or exceeds even that of United States Senators."

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  1. Unbridled capitalism by vikingpower · · Score: 1, Insightful

    will bring you both President Trump and this kind of misery. As well as more guns. And more shootings. Home of the brave, land of the free. Amurrica, yeah !

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    1. Re:Unbridled capitalism by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh, to be young and naive again. Do you think Hillary isn't owned by the corporations too?

      Did you believe Obama would really bring "hope and change" too?

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    2. Re:Unbridled capitalism by Nyder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, to be young and naive again. Do you think Hillary isn't owned by the corporations too?

      Did you believe Obama would really bring "hope and change" too?

      Since the majority of the Mills seems to support Bernie, it's looking like young and naive aren't the insult it was.

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    3. Re: Unbridled capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Gun ownership vs killings might be down, aka (selling more guns then people get killed). The more important value is Killings divided by population(USA) is up and YoY Killings. Killings Per Person is the more important value as YoY is also subject to population inflation. Then you can compare that YoY KPP vs other nations. Since it doesn't matter if its a population off 1,000 or 1 billion. Some studies further divide the value per 100,000 as well. So believe what someone tells you or try the numbers for yourself. End of the day people swing stats however they can to make a point, keep it simple and just do (murders/population) for 2013 to 2015. Then play with it to suite your needs like removing police shootings, etc.

    4. Re: Unbridled capitalism by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      Corporations may be made up of "sheeple" (you lose 5 points for that), but they are not democracies. A corporation is not one person, one vote, it's one share, one vote (for voting shares). And shares are disproportionately held in the hands of the 1% and other corporations.

      So while a dictator may not be the only way to keep a corporation from doing evil, the list of alternatives isn't all that long.

    5. Re: Unbridled capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I love how the anti-gun crowd normally is pro-abortion but somehow always waves suicide in everyone's face as an evil thing. So a mother can kill an unborn child at a whim but an adult can't decide when it's time to exit this life? How does that work? Where's the civil rights in that?

    6. Re:Unbridled capitalism by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Trump is on record as being against H1Bs and for Planned Parenthood. Clinton still won't release the transcripts for all those $250k-$430k speeches she made to the banks. She's bought and paid for. Maybe Trump will be a sell-out, but we know Clinton is.

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    7. Re:Unbridled capitalism by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      Clinton took $1 million in bribes while Secretary of State from Oracle and Microso

      You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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    8. Re: Unbridled capitalism by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Sure, there's a list of alternatives to keep corporations honest and fair.

      We could start by not allowing corporations to do tax shifting deals with places like Lichtenstein, and going after the secret bank accounts of their top people.

      Get some jail terms for financial corruption so that we don't have a repeat of the "too big to fail" bs. (They weren't and should have been allowed to fail. Better short-term pain than long-term pain)

      Ban high-frequency trading - it's basically front-running the market. Also, minimum hold times for stocks so that (1) market fluctuations don't cause huge stampedes, and (2) stocks become investments again instead of gambling and a quick way fo financial gain for company insiders.

      Restore marginal tax rates to where they were when the economy was booming - in other words, much higher tax rates on the rich. Low tax rates do not create jobs, and do not encourage investment - they encourage playing the markets instead of building true value.

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    9. Re: Unbridled capitalism by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Informative

      ..and that's why Switzerland has such an incredibly high murder rate, right?

      Which has nothing to do with gun ownership. Every time people claim the folks in Switzerland, or even Israel, have guns coming out their ears which is why they have low murder rates shows their true lack of understanding those country's gun laws.

      While this article is not the one I was looking for, you will note the heavy regulation of guns in Switzerland including how much ammunition one can buy and mandatory registration with the government, both of which the NRA howls over any time either subject is brought up.

      Second, as the person in the story relates, the people of Switzerland own guns to protect their country as part of the militia, the exact same thing our Founding Fathers said in the Constitution. That people deny this prima facia fact is the result of deliberate twisting by certain groups, not the least of which the NRA who originally held to the Constitutional writing (to use a Scalia-ism).

      Also, as to Israel, which some people bring up, this article explains one must have a reason to own a gun. Not that you want one, a valid reason AND you have go back every six months to justify you continuing to keep your gun.

      If you want to point to Switzerland you had better tell the whole story. It's not as neat and simple as you and others make out. The government has a heavy hand in regulating firearms in the country, something which people like you fight against every time the subject is brought up.

      In closing, I have no problem with anyone owning a gun. I've shot them in the past and have considered owning one but can't justify the cost even though I can easily afford one. Maybe some day.

      But this nonsense that using Switzerland or Israel as examples of the notion "more guns = less crime" is shown to be false because of how their respective governments control guns. One might as well use Somalia where nearly everyone owns a gun yet there is crime in abundance.

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    10. Re:Unbridled capitalism by GammaKitsune · · Score: 1

      Do you think Hillary isn't owned by the corporations too?

      No, I don't. Vote Sanders.

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    11. Re: Unbridled capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I am a supporter of gun rights but you are correct. Comparing Switzerland or Israel to the U.S. is apple to oranges. No one will tell the truth. Switzerland or Israel have low rates of gun violence because they are relatively monocultural societies. Monocultural societies have lower levels of interpersonal violence that multicultural societies. No one mentions it because cultural diversity is a PC value.

    12. Re: Unbridled capitalism by Spamalope · · Score: 2

      the people of Switzerland own guns to protect their country as part of the militia, the exact same thing our Founding Fathers said in the Constitution.

      Are you lying, or just parroting what someone told you? The Founding Fathers studied the failings of governments of the past, and identified private gun ownership a crucial tool for the preservation of freedom. They also saw centralized power as a threat, and sought to empower the states. Militias and private weapon ownership were both thought to be so important the right should be embodied in the Constitution that was already growing longer than desired. Some argued that they needed to spell it out or liars would pretend to misunderstand what 'Shall not' doesn't have exceptions. Others said that if you list specifics, those same liars will claim everything not specifically spelled out isn't protected, that only a fool wouldn't understand and that the document was too long already. It looks like that first group had a point. (it's not one guy, and there was a great deal of arguing)

      Here is a hint: We have the letters and minutes from the meetings and don't need a crystal ball to divine the intent of the words in the Constitution. If it's unclear to you, you may read the discussion about the writing and adoption of that part of the document to gain a deeper understanding.

    13. Re:Unbridled capitalism by lgw · · Score: 1

      The Clinton bribery racket is an open secret. Pay to play: donate a million or two to the Clinton Foundation if you want to get your way. The FBI is also investigating here for this, it's not just the mishandling of classified information. How is this in any way a misuse of "bribes" when you hand money to a politician in return for policy?

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    14. Re: Unbridled capitalism by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here are James Madisons's (the guy who wrote the Constitution) own words from Federalist Paper 46 regarding standing armies and the use of militias to oppose them:

      The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence.

      While further down Madison makes the case:

      Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of.

      he is clearly stating that the people, i.e. the militia, will be subordinate to the powers of government in relation to opposing a standing army of the federal government. Those powers were already enumerated by Hamilton in Federalist Paper 29 in which he states the need for regular drills by the militia under the control of the government.

      While these papers are not part of the writings of the delegates to the Constitution, that the men who wrote these papers had a hand in forming that Constitution and would most certainly have used similar arguments during its construction, it is clear their intended meaning was to have Americans armed for the defense of the country, as I stated, and which Switzerland employs.

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    15. Re: Unbridled capitalism by djinn6 · · Score: 2

      I have no problem with anyone owning a gun. I've shot them in the past

      I see you have no problem with admitting murder either.

    16. Re: Unbridled capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not as neat and simple as you and others make out.

      Granted, "more guns = less crime" sounds like oversimplification from the gun nut tribe, but rejecting it doesn't mean "more guns = more crime" isn't also oversimplification.

      tbqh, I've seen more oversimplification from the anti-gun nuts than the gun nuts. Anti-gun nuts usually simplify homicides, suicides, and accidents into one bucket. And one sentence later they mark that bucket "homicides." If you call them on it, they tell a "fuller" story, oh, we care about suicides, too. I don't know what is their true goal. Is it to find an excuse to round up all the guns? It looks that way, but I'm worried that gives them too much credit, and it might be even dumber than that, just to hate someone and have a target for controlling bullying and virtue-signalling.

      Here is simplicity for you:
        - one American tribe owns guns, and another tribe hates guns and wants nobody to have them.
        - the Constitution says we get guns.

      There are two reasonable outcomes:
        - change the constitution.
        - gun tribe wins.

      Instead, anti-gun nuts are pressing Jim Crow laws: certain people can't buy guns, certain guns can't be kept, you must register your gun, you can't carry your gun, you can't bring your gun into certain places like "New York City," your gun must be a "smart gun" that includes an electronic cut-out circuit the State can activate if they suspect you of being a revolutionary, or that can be activated in no-gun zones, or can be activated nation-wide in "emergencies". They will support any law that gets them closer to rounding up all the guns. It doesn't matter if the law is regarded as clearly unconstitutional by half the people the Constitution was written to protect from the fickle political tyranny of one's petty neighbours. It doesn't matter if the law clearly is unconstitutional.

      They care more about rounding up all the guns than they do about fair democracy, much less functioning political process, or sincere respectful argument.

      I live in New York City. We have a fragile detente in race wars, class wars, and criminal immigrant pathetic-micro-mafia wars. These guys are really poor and disorganized, and it seems plausible a system of unconstitutional gun laws and unconstitutional "stop-and-frisk" laws could reduce the number of guns out there, and the more we pull down the invisible straitjacket of surveillance the better this will become. I believe New York City actually can round up (some of) the guns, including from criminals. If there were more guns, I think I'd be more likely to get shot. More guns probably won't help me, so you might expect me to have a position somewhat like the NRA during the civil rights movement, "no guns for Black people."

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act
          https://newrepublic.com/article/112322/gun-control-racism-and-nra-history

      Yet I still support the gun nuts, because they can count, because they respect democracy and progress, because they argue properly, and because they have a longer view. And tribally, the longer this argument goes on, the more true colors I see, the more suspicious I become of every other vain platform-position the anti-gun nuts hatefully boast about holding.

    17. Re:Unbridled capitalism by murdocj · · Score: 1

      Ah, the old "there's no difference" argument. Well, here's the difference: the last 7 years people have been working on how to get universal health care, instead of trying to define exactly how much it's ok to torture people.

      No politician is going to rain magic unicorns on the land, but who is elected does make a difference.

    18. Re:Unbridled capitalism by publiclurker · · Score: 1

      Which word would that be, "Microso"? All of the other words were pretty self-explanatory and obvious.

    19. Re:Unbridled capitalism by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Well, whether we vote for 'unbridled capitalism' or 'omg those oppressed immigrants need social justice!', our jobs are in jeopardy to foreign labor.

    20. Re:Unbridled capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      actually, Obama brought loads of hope and change. You neo-cons had destroyed the economy, destroyed manufacturing, ran the deficit up to 1.1Trillion / year , as well as ignited massive war, and created ISIS.
      So far, O brought the deficit down to below .5T, restored most of our economy, ( and that was in-spite of the GOP), but he leaves a lot to be desired WRT the middle east.

    21. Re:Unbridled capitalism by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Trump is on record as being ... for Planned Parenthood.

      This statement is totally incorrect. Here's an exact quote from Trump in the debate on 2/26:

      "So you can say whatever you want, but they have millions of women going through Planned Parenthood that are helped greatly. And I wouldn’t fund it. I would defund it because of the abortion factor, which they say is 3 percent. I don’t know what percentage it is. They say it’s 3 percent."

      He freely admits that 97%+ of the services are not related to abortion, it HELPS WOMEN GREATLY, and still is ok with throwing it under the bus. CERTAINLY not "for" PP. And certainly not even for women's rights and health in general.

    22. Re:Unbridled capitalism by Noble713 · · Score: 1

      Well, here's the difference: the last 7 years people have been working on how to get universal health care, instead of trying to define exactly how much it's ok to torture people.

      That's because this administration has taken the approach of "We don't need to discuss torture.....if we simply shoot Hellfire missiles at everyone who even remotely has the SIGINT signature of a "terrorist"......including American citizens.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      The Drone Papers report: https://theintercept.com/drone...

    23. Re:Unbridled capitalism by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Did you believe Obama would really bring "hope and change" too?

      I think he did. Not so much in any policies, but the simple fact that a black man is the boss sends a huge message out to the world the racism is now a harder position to defend. It may not seem like much to you, but for millions that brought hope and change.

    24. Re: Unbridled capitalism by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Are you lying, or just parroting what someone told you? The Founding Fathers studied the failings of governments of the past, and identified private gun ownership a crucial tool for the preservation of freedom.

      It didn't mention guns. Back when it was written, a lot of battles were still fought with swords. Should we give every man a sword because that's how things worked in the 18th century?

    25. Re:Unbridled capitalism by lgw · · Score: 1

      Well, I thought in the US you don't have bribes, you have lobby.

      The Clintons went beyond "donate funds to my election warchest" (most of which actually does get spent on getting re-elected, not moved to a Swiss bank account BTW) to "donate to my personally-controlled corporation".

      The two investigations are tied together because the suspected reason for the insecure email server in the first place was to hide the pay-for-play emails from FOIA requests.

      I'd be shocked if there were an indictment for this, because it's too close to what everyone else does (just one step further), and no one wants the attention.

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    26. Re: Unbridled capitalism by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      In Switzerland, males are required to own guns. It is ammunition that is highly regulated.

      If a Swiss opens that tuna-can containing ammunition, he will be in very serious trouble if it was not at the order of his government.

      * Info from several Swiss friends. Also, I am Swiss.

    27. Re:Unbridled capitalism by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Oh, to be young and naive again. Do you think Hillary isn't owned by the corporations too?

      Did you believe Obama would really bring "hope and change" too?

      As a Canadian with family in the middle east, (Israel), Obama did bring great positive changes. He saved many soldiers lives, limbs and ptsds. He brought the soldiers home and stopped taking sides in the middle east. At least two thousand body bags fewer.
      The Iranians with their assistance to Assad have lost (according to them, over 1000 combatants, including generals), and for what?

      Obama tried to bring in a single payer medical system, as has every other country in the world. The best that he could do is affordable care act (obamacare).
      You have millions who would be bankrupt if it was not for that act. No pre-existing conditions was the life saver (in many ways). If your job has not gone to a H1B person, you are lucky, but if it has, you will need Obamacare. If you are in University or College, the act was a god-send. Insurance without pre-existing conditions, and with competiton.

      And then there are the bailouts for banks, car industries, and more. Bailouts and other things take staff and action. Did the Republicans work to improve the common man or the industrialists? The Republicans in congress have affordable insurance, for being in Congress. Why would you think they would be sensitive to the man on the street?
      Then there is the "what goes around comes around". Funding of senators, congressmen, judges, etc. Open corruption for all to see and say "Yeah, he/she was the best person for the job". I just love your blindness.

      And what about the economy and the deficit? Look at the levels it was before Obama got into office, and look at it now. Your federal taxes have stayed relatively flat as your debt rises. Recall, a deficit means the government is taking in less than it is shelling out. Every year, deeper in debt from the excesses --handouts to the military. Over abundance of security.

      I would say, (remember, I am a Canadian), that Obama has been the best president the USA has had since before Reagan. Reagan created two classes of citizens -- the rich, and the not-rich. In other aspects, Reagan was quite OK.

      So, on the Republican side, who are you going to have --? President Quack Quack? A man who is not really wealthy, but skims the money from partners who get to use his name? And then, a man who has to be married to looks and to someone many many years his junior, and for the third time. If a leader that can't get along with two wives, how is he going to work with Congress and the Senate. Where are his brain farts-- those sparks of genius.

      Yes, Obama is great for America. He hasn't been great for Canada, but we recognize his interests were and he succeeded to make the USA self-sufficient in gas/oil.

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  2. Congress answers by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Campaign donations. Lots and lots of campaign donations.

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    1. Re: Congress answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It makes no sense especially when you have kids struggling to pay their student loans. Corporations do not want to pay a liveable wage. That girl who wrote the yelp flame bait this past week is spot on. Corporations will hire you for pennies on the dollar.

    2. Re: Congress answers by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Seriously. Fuck this particular guy for assisting DisneyCorp in its DMCA-abuse environment. Fritz Hollings was known as "the Senator from Disney" for a reason - they buy the best laws they can afford. Live by the sword, die by the sword, dude. Now at least there will be fewer Americans assisting Disney in its attacks on America.

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    3. Re: Congress answers by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      Great. Now when the kids can't watch Disney movies, Daddy has an empathetic out.

      "Hey, I can't get any Jackthreads, either, you entitled little gripers."

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    4. Re:Congress answers by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Campaign donations. Lots and lots of campaign donations.

      The tens of millions that Disney spends on political donations, lobbying and superPACs net them a nice little benefit:

      Between 1991 and 2012 Disney received subsidies from state governments worth an estimated $415,029,259, according to data compiled by Good Jobs First. The top five states that have given subsides to Disney are:[17]

      California: $202,003,320, including $200 million the city of Anaheim agreed to spend on a parking lot and infrastructure development in 1996.[18]
      Connecticut: $146,476,555, including a corporate income tax break for ESPN worth $75 million from 2000-2004 and a $17.5 million low-cost construction loan in 2011.[19]
      South Carolina: $31,765,067 in tax credits/rebates for subsidiary Touchstone Television Productions
      New York: $18,893,594 in tax credits/rebates and property tax abatements for ABC
      Louisiana: $7,099,287 in tax credits/rebates

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    5. Re: Congress answers by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      The problem is at some point corporations figured out that the alternative that we have to accepting the job for pennies on the dollar is to starve and live on the street. Once they discovered that, it was only a matter of honing that advantage as they continue to do to this day.

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  3. Investment by Feyshtey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Mr O'Neill and the rest of these corporate leaders were actually so desperate for qualified tech people, perhaps they could consider starting extensive intern programs. If they failed to get adequate enrollment, they could work with high schools and/or community colleges, and even community outreach programs in economically suffering areas. Detroit comes to mind. Broad areas of the south do as well. They could provide valuable skills to people who wouldnt otherwise reach out to get them and reverse what these companies market as a shortage of talent and bloated wages.

    Invest in Americans and quit acting the victim.

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    1. Re:Investment by fluffernutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Good comment. It makes me wonder why Bill Gates and the like have to fight for computer science in school curriculum at all. Their corporations should just be doing it on their own. Oh, wait, they want the government to pay for it, that's why. Even making life wonderful for the people working right now would go a long way, because parents would WANT their kids in technology and push them that way. Right now, as a tech worker my kids are going into anything but.

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    2. Re:Investment by quintessencesluglord · · Score: 2

      With the high cost of education now, I could see this becoming the norm for the future- reasonably capable people getting on the job training to fit the unique needs of a business.

      Also, Mr. O'Neil, businesses like Caterpillar are doing just that, and their trainees are also commanding high salaries. I find it suspect that you can't procure talent except abroad. If there is such a dearth of talent here, perhaps you should relocate your business to where the talent is.

      Capital is fluid, labor is not. This is a recipe for abuse.

    3. Re:Investment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Spot on.

      The real problem besides simple corporate greed and sociopathic behavior is the whole outsourcing mentality and the culture of instant gratification. Most developers simply aren't great. That's perfectly normal and, for most things, perfectly fine. The problem is when most of these idiot executives and managers are trying to hire one, they've dug themselves so far in a hole that they need someone great to save whatever it is--and finding that person is difficult. Always has been, and always will be.

      Enter outsourcing, where I can hire someone that somebody else says is great, and if (more likely, when) it's proven that the greatness was, pardon the pun, greatly exaggerated, then I either live with it and blame the other company or I try to make a legal claim out of it. In either case what I've done is kick the failure down the road, hopefully for someone else to deal with.

      Enter India: a country full of people who are as good at and as bad at things as anybody else but which has come to symbolize the whole IT outsourcing movement because of some not so great traits: "helping" in school, cheating, and outright lying on resumes is absolutely rampant there. I don't know if it's a total culture thing, but from experience and with very few exceptions it seems to be an Indian IT culture thing to say one is awesome at anything and never admit you don't know something. American IT people who have talent see right through it, which is why all the anti-India remarks regarding programming, tech support, etc. American managers don't always see right through that because it's relatively easy to bullshit a bullshit artist for some reason . This kind of behavior will of course catch up with them and unfortunately probably hurt a lot of truly talented people. The notion, though, that somebody from halfway around the world is the only possible solution to a technical problem is in 9 out of 10 instances utter crap designed to deflate salaries, which is the fraud that is H1-B visas and everything like them.

    4. Re:Investment by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      They could start those internship programs in highschool for students that showed interest. Getting hands on experience while taking courses at the local union^H^Hversity. And once they're done with their appren^H^H^H^H^H^H "internship" they can join together with each other and present a single front to the corporation to fight for rights. Maybe even pool their money for when they don't have a job. Brilliant idea.

      Low to midlevel IT work doesn't need a college degree. It's a 21st century trade at this point and needs hands on training along with some course work (done at the local union hall). This is what high school students are learning these days. It's a 2 year career and technical education program designed for HS juniors and seniors who intend to pursue a career in IT.

      As for all of the people that were laid off, after a decade or so in industry I have a pretty clear idea who these guys are. They're the ones content with doing things the 'old' way and refuse to learn something new. I am constantly writing scripts and tools to shave 5 or 10 minutes off of my day here or there. After a decade I've automated what used to take me half a day. My peers refuse to learn how to use them (Despite putting in extra time to document them to an 8th grade reading level). They're content spending a half of a day doing things the way we did them in 2005.

      Given the opportunity I could replace most of them with a visa holder that I trained on my scripts that spent the rest of day doing new things. It's easy to look back 30 or 40 years and laugh at how everyone was doing it the 'hard way' without understanding that how we do things now is going to look the same way in 30 or 40 years. I'm already 10 years into

      I wish I got a bonus for every time I heard "Nah, I already know VBA. Sure it takes me 5x longer than you to do something in Python, but I don't want to learn something new". If you aren't going into work every single day trying to replace or automate yourself, someone else is. Eventually that is going to catch up to you. It's also something that is not unique to IT. Engineering, medicine, farming, are all progressing with society. If you're someone that insists on doing something the 'old' way, society is ready to leave you behind.

      When I was a fresh faced grad I was sympathetic to everyone being replaced. I was terrified that I was going to be replaced by a H1B a year or two into my job. Now a decade out I'm sympathetic to all of those being replaced's coworkers. The ones that have had to work with these guys for the last decade while trying to do more with less dealing with co-workers that refused to learn anything new. Most of these guys are the 21st century equivalent of switch board operators, punch card operators, and human computers

    5. Re:Investment by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The real irony is that while one side pushes for the government to do the educating, the other pushes for the government to get out of education and privatize that 'industry'. To make it worse a lot of talent exists that just doesn't dot the i's and cross the t's the HR people or those who decide who gets hired wants.

      Where I live (in PA) there are to many people looking for to few IT jobs. Yet even so, we aren't just competing against people from here... Local colleges, universities, and trade schools have scaled up their Comp Sci/CIS/MIS programs due to 'demand'. But the number of jobs for you after getting a degree has remained low locally. Those who can afford to leave, go elsewhere. Those that don't become unemployed or underemployed and compete for the small number of positions in the field that exist locally. Having recently gone back to finish my degree I saw people just graduating who have moved to every state in the union. Anyone who stayed can't find a job.

      Even in what most people would call 'the middle of nowhere' all the larger companies (GE transportation division for instance which is the largest company in my region) hire out nearly all their internal IT to foreign workers. The example I just used tosses away apps that don't have bachelor's degrees or higher and even a bachelor's is a bare minimum. Does maintaining a small server environment require indepth knowledge of data structures or programming? No. The place uses MS products and doesn't locally do any software coding. Sure a degree shows you could work through the crap of school for 4 years or so, but most university or college programs are complete overkill for basic IT positions and don't teach the more practical things they will need on the job anyways. Then most 'require' skills that would be impossible to get outside of an industry that utilizes a particular piece of software or hardware (since no one is buying a server and a $200k piece of software to learn it for a $40k/year job). Worse are the ones that require knowledge of a product built internally at another segment of the company. In other words a job that requires skills impossible to get outside of the company for entry level employment. This is a glowing red sign saying 'We train people outside this country on our software, please don't bother applying'. After all if you already have training in that software, you worked for them already and why would you move from one job within to a different entry level one?

      As if those two things weren't enough a third issue is that most companies need IT, but hate it. They see it as not bringing anything to the company and so minimize it (nearly insuring it doesn't do anything to useful for the company). Often thousands of machines with little to no automation. Primitive tools and equipment below what's required to even maintain the existing infrastructure. Business people making IT decisions with no reasonable expectations of the requirements. This is why we all hear stories about those '5 million dollar boondoggles' where consultants and outsourced companies were called in and the money seemed to all get wasted away. Hell most companies don't even trust their IT people. And really often they shouldn't. I've seen way to many cases where even the good guys are treated like shit, payed almost nothing, and expected to regularly perform miracles without ever even being appreciated. Given the treatment even good people can be tempted because they come to resent those they work for.

      Oh and lastly my own personal favorite... I turn 38 years old this year. I now regularly get asked 'Why are you still in IT?' And have to explain that I actually like the problem solving and adaptation that is at the heart of IT. Or even more how I can apply for positions above 'network adminsitrator' all day, but business people don't take me seriously so I can't be 'executive material' and of course with more small companies around than large ones there are few jobs between 'network admin' and 'C** level employee'. While still being called a

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    6. Re:Investment by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Oh I hear you on the job quality and environment that we work in. In the time I have been in the industry I have seen sales people promise the moon to clients and then the stars. You end up working on 10 year old equipment, with no money spend on efficiency or capacity. You get horse whipped to keep it running at all hours of the night.

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    7. Re:Investment by tlambert · · Score: 1

      If Mr O'Neill and the rest of these corporate leaders were actually so desperate for qualified tech people, perhaps they could consider starting extensive intern programs.

      Perhaps colleges should start turning out people who are qualified to participate in extensive intern programs. Perhaps they could change the ABET accreditation standards for computer science programs back from being "outcome based", and instead actually teach people how to code again. There are maybe two handfuls of universities in the U.S. who have programs that are actually worthwhile, and most of those programs are legacy hold-overs bas on what used to be taught in the early to mid 1980's, and not all degree contract options include those now-optional classes. Rice is one. Brown is another. MIT is another. Stanford is also one.

      Companies are not in business to educate you, they are in business to focus on their products. If you want a company to train you, look no further than the University of Phoenix, DeVry, or one of the other companies who are in business to provide educations, as opposed to, you know, shipping product.

    8. Re:Investment by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Surprised this was modded up. It's good advice, but on Slashdot anything that suggests trying to help the underprivileged is usually accused of racism/sexism.

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    9. Re:Investment by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Education costs have far outpaced both inflation and the value add thanks to government subsidies that get hoovered up by the universities. In Germany, a university education is free, even for foreigners. The higher taxes graduates who get good jobs will more than make up for the cost to the taxpayers. Those good jobs exist because graduates, not being bogged down by 6-figure debts, can actually spend money that goes into the economy, rather than just paying back their student debts until they're on social security, or even longer.

      Crazy student debt has created a generation that gets out of school so far in debt that their earnings don't prime the economy and create a virtuous circle of spending to create jobs.

      Let's go to extremes - imagine if you had to go into debt for your primary and secondary education. Many wouldn't go, and those that did would be financially strapped, with whatever income they made going back to basic survival and debt repayments.

      I'm just glad that my eyesight forced me out of programming, because it's now the pit from hell, a dead end trap, for the vast majority, and one that "more education" in the same field will never solve.

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    10. Re:Investment by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      I find it suspect that you can't procure talent except abroad. If there is such a dearth of talent here, perhaps you should relocate your business to where the talent is.

      It sounded to me like he could find the talent he needed locally, but it cost too much. He wants to know why replacing this particular part with a cheaper one is such a big deal.

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    11. Re:Investment by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Don't be so quick to knock those "human computers." At least they could do math, not like today where people have a hard time making change on a purchase or calculating sales tax in their head.

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    12. Re:Investment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I never even made all that much to begin with to be able to save. That job where I worked as a CIO without the title? $34k/year. Not even enough to buy a house on my own in the area and barely enough to rent a place on my own. Anyways...

      I don't know where exactly you live in PA but $34,000/year for a network engineer is abysmal. However, at age 38, you do shoulder some of the blame for your situation. Why the heck did you stay in such a poor-paying job for so long? You're underpaid by at least 50% and if you're actually good at what you do, you easily should be drawing in excess of $100,000/year in a larger city that's not even one of the high-cost-of-living places (NYC, Silicon Valley, D.C., Boston, etc.)

      You need to get serious about making more money right now. Get off your ass, prepare a good resume, and start applying for other work in cities that pay a good wage. If necessary, plan a vacation in a location that you would be interested in living and tell the local companies you will be in town for one or two weeks for in-person interviews.

      I'm sure you know about the rampant ageism in this industry. Assuming you've taken good care of yourself, you don't have many years left before you will look old enough that many companies will be able to discriminate against you even if your resume does a convincing job of disguising your age.

    13. Re:Investment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Read between the lines. He doesn't want qualified tech people, he wants CHEAP qualified tech people. H1B are cheap. He says so at the end of the summary: "that my developers' starting salaries have risen by 50% in the last eight years," said O'Neill, and "senior positions command compensation that meets or exceeds even that of United States Senators." IE: I can't afford qualified tech people, they cost more than SENATORS. A jab to get Senators to side with him (how dare someone make more than me). I'm sure if he offered a realistic (supply/demand) salary for the talent he would have no problem getting the qualified tech people he needs.

    14. Re: Investment by undefinedreference · · Score: 2

      I'm absolutely with you. In my experience, H1B visa holders fill the lowest ranks as a rule. Having worked with a lot of immigrants in the tech industry, it's pretty consistent (that is, those that immigrate through other means are invariably good at what they do in my experience). I could find you a huge number of bright high school grads and community college students that would jump at the chance to learn and gain experience for 40-50k a year (even in my expensive locale), filling these same positions. I see the plight of tech as that of an emergent form of the medical industry. The market just doesn't know how to deal with paying what our skills are worth. If a tech worker costs more than a senator, that's not surprising, considering surgeons make a lot more as well. The problem isn't the workers, it's the fact nobody wants to pay for them. H1B has been a complete failure to this country. If someone is actually worth the effort to import, they should be worth the effort to jump through traditional immigration hoops to get.

    15. Re:Investment by nbauman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Totally agree. All I can do is add some supporting citations.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08...
      Germany Backtracks on Tuition
      By CHRISTOPHER F. SCHUETZE
      Published: August 25, 2013
      (German colleges are now free again, like the Scandinavian countries. Under the German constitution, the 16 state governments control finance and education. A 2005 federal court decision allowed them to charge tuition. 8 states, in former West Germany, did, but it was unpopular and they reversed their policy. Lower Saxony charged €1,000 ($1,300)/year. An economist estimated that tuition caused 20,000 potential students (6.8% of all students) to forgo enrollment in 2007. Denmark, Norway and Sweden have free tuition, although Germany, with 2.5 million students, is the largest. Britain raised its tuition caps to £9,000 ($14,000). In France, most public universities charge a few hundred euros per year, though the grandes écoles are more expensive.)

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/...
      7 countries where Americans can study at universities, in English, for free (or almost free)
      By Rick Noack
      October 29 2014
      Since 1985, U.S. college costs have surged by about 500 percent, and tuition fees keep rising. In Germany, they've done the opposite.
      The country's universities have been tuition-free since the beginning of October, when Lower Saxony became the last state to scrap the fees. Tuition rates were always low in Germany, but now the German government fully funds the education of its citizens -- and even of foreigners.
      Explaining the change, Dorothee Stapelfeldt, a senator in the northern city of Hamburg, said tuition fees "discourage young people who do not have a traditional academic family background from taking up study. It is a core task of politics to ensure that young women and men can study with a high quality standard free of charge in Germany."
      What might interest potential university students in the United States is that Germany offers some programs in English -- and it's not the only country. Let's take a look at the surprising -- and very cheap -- alternatives to pricey American college degrees.
      Germany's higher education landscape primarily consists of internationally well-ranked public universities, some of which receive special funding because the government deems them "excellent institutions." What's more, Americans can earn a German undergraduate or graduate degree without speaking a word of German and without having to pay a single dollar of tuition fees: About 900 undergraduate or graduate degrees are offered exclusively in English, with courses ranging from engineering to social sciences. For some German degrees, you don't even have to formally apply.
      In fact, the German government would be happy if you decided to make use of its higher education system. The vast degree offerings in English are intended to prepare German students to communicate in a foreign language, but also to attract foreign students, because the country needs more skilled workers.

      http://www.bbc.com/news/magazi...
      How US students get a university degree for free in Germany
      By Franz Strasser BBC News, Germany
      3 June 2015
      While the cost of college education in the US has reached record highs, Germany has abandoned tuition fees altogether for German and international students alike. An increasing number of Americans are taking advantage and saving tens of thousands of dollars to get their degrees.
      More than 4,600 US students are fully enrolled at Germany universities, an increase of 20% over three years. At the same time, the total student debt in the US has reached $1.3 trillion (£850 billion).
      (Hunter Bliss, South Carolina.)
      Each semester, Hunter pays a

    16. Re: Investment by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Being a programmer is the most lucrative job for a kid out of school. Where else would they go? A shift leader at a local Pier One? Believe it or not they hire business majors at malls. Talk about a slap in the face after $40,000 worth of education.

      Your kids can go to where the jobs are at too fresh out of school

    17. Re:Investment by nnull · · Score: 1

      Most of these visa programs have ended up in complete failure for a lot of companies that don't realize the long term affects of this. Some I've had the pleasure seeing fall apart because the people they brought in ended up opening a competing company in their home country, taking all their clients with them. While you get that lower cost savings when hiring these people from the visa program, the end result is that the knowledge these people gained ends up going home with them and not stay with us to teach others here (And of course that cost is not included anywhere). The lack of skilled workers is because of this visa program and what it does.

    18. Re:Investment by quintessencesluglord · · Score: 1

      For the exact same reason the TPP has generous provisions to "protect" textile and apparel in the US.

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/da...

      I doubt you will see Mark O'Neill go all teary-eyed before congress that tariffs on imported apparel should be removed because it costs other people too much.

      Not to mention the H1-B program was expressly for an inability to find local talent, not that the talent costs more than you think it should.

      Welcome to the idea that labor negotiations aren't suppose to be completely one-sided.

    19. Re:Investment by Sarius64 · · Score: 1

      One side pushes for education? All I see is bullshit unions sacrificing children to make sure they get their mordida. In general, these unions support race-baiting politicians because they think it's easier to blame peoples' skin color for a problem instead of their socio-economic class. Why is anyone voting for any congress member that supports these H1B-type programs? I haven't a clue.

    20. Re:Investment by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 1

      I worked that job for 3 years, because I still made more than any other position I'd had. And I live in northwetern PA between Buffalo, NY and Cleveland, OH. I knew many other admins in my region and the most well paid made ~$50k/year here. It's about 75k/year in Pittsburgh and near $100k/year in Philly with the capital somewhere between the two. However cost of living is actually higher in all three, so take home is probably about the same. I spent nearly 10 years being a consultant for small businesses, which is the longest I worked any one 'job'. However a small business consultant doesn't make very much either and doesn't get things like health insurance. Which is why I went back to working in IT as a admin.

      And you seem to have missed I have no money at this point. Bringing up a 'vacation' now is so funny... I haven't had money for one of those in over six years. Actually more than that as I had a fiance nearly six years ago and giving in to her random whims took any money I had for vacations. It's why I literally can't move anywhere either. I get offers for usually short term (6 month) gigs all over the country (from New Jersey to Texas), because I do have solid skills. However those won't pay to get me there or even interview there. I would love to know how you expect me to go across country and somehow live there on less than $100.

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    21. Re:Investment by hucker75 · · Score: 1

      If Americans aren't as good as foreigners, why should they get the job? What makes you think you have a right to a good job if you're crap at it?

    22. Re:Investment by Tamerlin · · Score: 1

      Oh and lastly my own personal favorite... I turn 38 years old this year. I now regularly get asked 'Why are you still in IT?'

      I get asked that quite a bit also... and my only response is that it paid the bills. Lately, it hasn't even done that. It's miserable work, 90% of it inheriting sheer idiocy instead of doing work that's worth my time, and the work environment is typically terrible. I hate and despise the industry, but its been paying the bills. Hiring lately however has been insanely slow, probably exacerbated by lots of contractors having their contracts end at Microsoft due to the new hard limit on contractor tenure, plus the large layoffs...

    23. Re:Investment by anti-disney · · Score: 1

      The problem is there actually isn't a talent gap at all. They could find plenty of people who have some kind of IT degree but prefer the cheap wages of H-1B workers. I believe some major IT companies have even set up training centers in India and Pakistan to train foreign workers to gain IT skills. Even if the numbers of IT grads dropped there are plenty of former IT workers who are still interested in a job who are working a lower paying IT job or even working in an unrelated field. It will probably get worse since some politicians have promised to eliminate limit the amount of H-1B Visa's that can be granted by the US Government. A lot of companies will use H-1B workers to train in the US and give them positions in their outsourced facilities when they return to their home country. To get around the H-1B requirement that they can only hire if there are no qualified workers, they advertise a job with qualifications that most IT workers cannot possibly qualify for then give the job to an H-1B worker when they eliminate all the American applicants because they "are not qualified". These companies can care less about investing in America because they prefer H-1B applicants and outsourcing IT jobs.

    24. Re:Investment by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      One side pushes for education? All I see is bullshit unions sacrificing children to make sure they get their mordida. In general, these unions support race-baiting politicians because they think it's easier to blame peoples' skin color for a problem instead of their socio-economic class. Why is anyone voting for any congress member that supports these H1B-type programs? I haven't a clue.

      You forgot to add Social Justice Warriers, pension funds, All Deomcrats and welfare queens and anchor babies, and most of all BENGHAZI! In short, Libtards, eh?

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    25. Re:Investment by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      And you seem to have missed I have no money at this point. Bringing up a 'vacation' now is so funny... I haven't had money for one of those in over six years. Actually more than that as I had a fiance nearly six years ago and giving in to her random whims took any money I had for vacations..

      While I feel badly for you, the answer is in that part of the sentence I quoted. Money management.

      I remember back in 1979, when I was a lowly technician, listening to a couple engineers who were making over 100K at the time with the same lament as you have. These couple guys were living paycheck to paycheck, both single, and 100K in 1979 was nothing to sneeze at. But yeah, they couldn't afford to go on vacation, while I was making a heck of a lot less than they were, and was taking vacations, as well as putting money in the bank.

      So now you gotta figure out how to live within your means. Don't get pissed, this isn't calling you stupid or anything, you just need to pick up a helpful skill.

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    26. Re: Investment by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Being a programmer is the most lucrative job for a kid out of school. Where else would they go? A shift leader at a local Pier One? Believe it or not they hire business majors at malls. Talk about a slap in the face after $40,000 worth of education.

      Your kids can go to where the jobs are at too fresh out of school

      We are seeing the ending scenario of a many decades long project in education. The "If you do not have a degree, you are a failure as a human being" model. It has been hammered into our heads - I know at leaast since I was in high school, where I got a personal visit from teh Principle of my school after choosing a dual high school major of academic and technical school. To sum up, even though I had elected to do something difficult, He told me I'd be thought of as stupid for having anything to do with the technical classes and should just stick to academics.

      So I'm certain that this Tekkers iz teh dumazzes, was played out most everywhere, and as my generation grew up and had children, the mantra became "A college degree at any cost!

      Which Universities were happy to provide. Along with the shift from Corporate based research, the Universities were expanding, and with that expansion came lots and lots and lots of administrators and accountants.

      But as time went on, the increased costs were starting to make the system a little creaky. But student loans to the rescue! So now the brakes were off, this train is bound for glory!

      And we have professional beggars working at highly paid positions in Universities, who's job it is to shake down graduates for more money. One woman who worked with me was continually being called by the professional beggars. Except that now, unless you are in a very few majors, you are going to graduate with a starter home worth of debt, and the prospects of getting a job that will allow you to pay it down in a reasonable time are pretty slim.

      And how is corporate college America going to continue their growth? There are very few low paid people to terminate. Next cuts will be in administrators, and that's a mortal sin.

      The system has failed. And it's going to be a helluva trick to fix it.

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    27. Re:Investment by Nunya666 · · Score: 1

      If Mr O'Neill and the rest of these corporate leaders were actually so desperate for qualified tech people, perhaps they could consider starting extensive intern programs.

      Perhaps colleges should start turning out people who are qualified to participate in extensive intern programs. Perhaps they could change the ABET accreditation standards for computer science programs back from being "outcome based", and instead actually teach people how to code again. There are maybe two handfuls of universities in the U.S. who have programs that are actually worthwhile, and most of those programs are legacy hold-overs based on what used to be taught in the early to mid 1980's, and not all degree contract options include those now-optional classes.

      The problem isn't the colleges. It starts before that. The problem is that our entire education system is broken.

      I am an adjunct professor at a local college. Most of my students write at about a 6th-grade level, and some can barely read. Several do not even try, and are content with getting C's. Most cannot follow instructions, and lose points on assignments for silly reasons. Even when I correct their mistakes, they just make the same mistake on the next assignment.

      One of my students is close to graduating, and she shouldn't even be in college. She gets D's on most of her papers because she cannot express her thoughts clearly, nor can she connect a cause with an effect. She has written entire paragraphs where I have no idea what she is trying to express or convey.

    28. Re: Investment by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      It is not about education.

      It is about bad advice. IT is still a hot field and a mistake to major into something else besides medical. Jobs pay shit today compared in the past for young folks. Anything over $15 an hour and the accountants look to China (not just an IT thing) to see if they can get it done cheaper. So $10/hr requiring a 4 year degree is the new norm. Programmers make $50,000 fresh out of college!

      Only ones who make more are nurses. Show me wrong otherwise?

      The reason I am angry and passionate about this is slashdot told me to leave IT and be a business major. WORST MISTAKE OF MY LIFE. I ended up taking crap jobs while former classmates have nice 6 figure salaries. I moved in with my parents and took computer repair jobs as I was a business major. Paid more than working at the mall at age 29 right? Pfffft humiliating to say the least.

    29. Re:Investment by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Computers in every classroom!

      Yeah, OK. $20 each for Raspberry Pi's that can run Ubuntu Linux. No need for full laptops & the "Microsoft Tax."

      And really, to actually teach computer fundamentals, the kids should start with a blank screen with only a green blinking cursor. Not because WE all did it that way, but because that is how one learns the basic principles.

      Similarly, Calculus. It is best taught with pencils and paper. Lots of both. No computers allowed. The point is to understand the underlying concepts, so that when you plug in something from StackExchange (or any code-sharing repository), you actually have a clue as to how it should be operating.

    30. Re:Investment by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      If they expect CIO-level work, but don't compensate you adequately, you should return the favor.

      Plant plenty of 'Easter Eggs' or 'forget various passwords'. Then leave without any notice. Not a 2-week notice, but a 4:59 pm immediate resignation. Leave at 5:00 pm. They have one minute to respond. Fair is fair.

      OK, so planting back-doors or bombs is illegal, but 'forgetting' important Sysadmin-level passwords can be chalked-up to the fallibility of human memory. How many passwords are you expected to have memorized? Maybe you fell down in your living room, and have lost some memory. And, as a responsible SysAdmin, you NEVER write passwords down... Right?

      They will not sue you. Oh no. That does not jog anyone's memory. They will suffer great losses due to lack of access to their own systems and data. They will then hire you on as a 'Consultant' at triple or more your previous rate.

      This is not new. For example, plumbers who do the pipe-work of new factories have often scrambled pipes as they transit walls. It's called job security. Such individuals are the only ones who can 'figure out' how the heck all of the pipes connect. It takes significant incentives to convince someone (the ONLY one who can help) out of retirement. "Hey, I'm enjoying my grand-kids. I'm retired. Lump-sum up-front before I do anything."

      It is a very old trick, done by electricians, plumbers, gas-handling-system installers, and so on...

    31. Re:Investment by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      That's all well and good, but if you need a developer now, then some high school student probably won't cut it. I say we bring more foreign workers in and help them become citizens. More talented, educated people is not a bad thing.

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    32. Re:Investment by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      I agree with most of your comment, but I feel that I have to add that fewer people go to college in Germany (for instance) in part because their entrance tests are harder. In addition, most European universities - the public ones, at least - don't do as much for their students. They don't have dorms, or meal plans, or (many) clubs, or - for the most part - sports. There tends to not be student unions or university-affiliated gyms, for instance. Now, that's not necessarily a bad thing, but when you're talking cost of education, those factors do all play a role.

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    33. Re:Investment by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      The money you save on tuition alone easily covers the rest.

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    34. Re:Investment by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Oh, I don't disagree with that, but it's a point that should be made. Offering "free college" to people in America will either be more expensive to the taxpayer than it is in Germany, or it will be much different from what people think of as "the college experience", or both. Similarly, it's worth reiterating that fewer people go to college there, and so far it seems like Americans don't want that to happen.

      I do appreciate you pointing out that federal subsidies and loans are most of the root cause of the issue, however. Seems like a lot of people don't realize that.

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    35. Re:Investment by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      And one of the intended consequences of an over-supply of mickey mouse degrees is devaluing the worth of a degree. This way, students who might have stopped at a first degree have to continue or else ... the game is really really rigged.

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    36. Re:Investment by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      I'm not entirely sure about that; there are fields where a degree is still worth a good bit. Part of the problem is people who borrow lots of money for a degree that is unlikely to give them a job capable of paying back that money. A degree certainly isn't worth what it used to be, but some degrees are worth quite a bit.

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  4. Something Doesn't Add Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't disagree with the idea that there may be a requirement for H1B visas to fill positions where there are not enough skilled workers, but something doesn't add up when you bring in H1Bs to replace existing workers. You can't claim there aren't enough and displace the ones you have. That's like saying, "I only have 1 gallon of water, so I need to go get another gallon. But, I'm going to dump out my first gallon when I do." If there really is a shortage, the H1Bs should be added along side the existing employees. If there is a need to remove one of the two, there wasn't really the shortage that was claimed.

    If A and B are members of the workforce and A isn't enough, you need A+B not B instead of A. If you are bringing in the workforce of B because you can use the H1B process and the individual's resident only because of employment status to keep their salary lower, you are abusing the purpose of the H1B process and the requests should be denied for violating the reason. In fact, one would think such actions are really a case of filing false federal paperwork to get the H1B applicants.

    1. Re: Something Doesn't Add Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Capitalist thinking is not like that.
      Is there an advantage to be had? Take it.
      Can an advantage be created? Lobby.
      Dissonance between those? Ignore it, because anything that makes more money is good per definition.

    2. Re: Something Doesn't Add Up by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Can an advantage be created? Lobby.

      Right, but since greed can never be eliminated from the human condition, we must work to reject the power that creates the opportunity for these unjust advantages. It's succeeded several times in human history, whilst eradicating greed (and its partner corruption) has always failed.

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    3. Re:Something Doesn't Add Up by drewsup · · Score: 1

      Exactly!
        H1-B was meant to supplement current shortages in IT areas, NOT to REPLACE existing jobs!

    4. Re:Something Doesn't Add Up by Solandri · · Score: 1

      You can't use H1Bs to replace existing workers, at least not in theory. Heck, legally you can't even use them in place of a new domestic hiree. For a business to get a H1B hire approved, they first have to advertise the exact same job for x weeks (I don't recall how long - yes our company went through this process). And only if no qualified and suitable American workers apply for the job, then can the H1B be approved.

      Unfortunately, the process is badly abused. You've probably seen those wanted ads which combine a very peculiar and specific set of requirements. Like Ph.D, 8 years experience with one skill, and 4 years experience with a totally unrelated different skill, and some obscure certification which doesn't relate to what the job is about. That's a H1B ad - designed so that no individual on earth qualifies except for the foreign worker they've already picked out and are trying to get a H1B visa for. A few years back someone on /. posted that they happened to meet nearly all of the requirements for one such job ad, went out of their way to get the obscure unrelated certification they were missing, and applied for the job. And were still declined for an interview.

      As for TFS, IT and software development are totally different. Not to insult IT workers, but IT is more a maintenance job you can pick up as you work, while development is more creative with higher formal education requirements. I can totally believe that there's a shortage of domestic software developers, but an excess of domestic IT workers. That both types of jobs can be filled with H1B workers does not mean those jobs are comparable. H1Bs cover a huge range of jobs, from software development to accounting to statisticians to pharmacists. Just because they're helping in one job field doesn't mean they aren't being abused in another.

      If the government wants to fix H1Bs, I'd suggest a standard job description. The company sponsoring the H1B can add one or two specific requirements peculiar to what they're doing, but the rest of the qualifications should be based on a uniform standard for expected skill set.

    5. Re:Something Doesn't Add Up by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      If there really is a shortage, the H1Bs should be added along side the existing employees.

      They were, but that was during the "train your replacements" phase.

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    6. Re:Something Doesn't Add Up by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Of course it adds up, you're just not using the right equation.

      Instead of letting A = American worker's effort, and B = H1B worker's effort:
      let A = American worker's cost
      let B = H1B worker's cost.
      define B = A/2

      So now when your company has too much of A, they need A/2. But since you already summized that the work that is being done is the same between A and B but the cost is less with B, instead of taking A/2 you instead take B.

      Reduce staff costs without reducing the hours slaved. It's the way of capitalism.

    7. Re: Something Doesn't Add Up by nbauman · · Score: 1

      If we can't eliminate greed, we can at least reduce it.

      One of the surprising findings of behavioral economics is that people will often choose fairness over money.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      That's especially true in small groups, where people interact over long periods of time -- and small groups are more egalitarian and democratic.

      In other words, in most of evolution, we evolved to cooperate altruistically and suppress greed. That's the human condition.

      Even today, in the Scandiavian countries, there are social norms that discourage stigmatize a display of wealth -- just as much as they would discourage and stigmatize someone who is lazy and takes advantage of the welfare system not to work.

    8. Re: Something Doesn't Add Up by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Because nether Koenigsegg nor decades long squats exist?

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    9. Re:Something Doesn't Add Up by houghi · · Score: 1

      It is called 'having the cake and eating it too'. The thing is that they KNOW what is going on. They take with both hands. The question is what you are going to do about it.

      As Sanders said (I am not saying you should vote for Sanders) it might already be to late. Influence of companies might already be too far reaching.

      I (and he himself) hope he is wrong.

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    10. Re:Something Doesn't Add Up by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      In other words, it's a failure of law enforcement, since the use is precisely what the H-1B was explicitly not for.

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  5. Supply and Demand by weave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's the free market at work. If these jobs keep paying better and better, more and more people will get the training to go into the field and balance it out. But that's not happening because...

    I teach computer information science at a college. We have a hard time recruiting students into the program because they pretty much all say they don't want to spend years learning how to be a programmer when all of the jobs are being replaced by foreigners or outsourced overseas.

    1. Re:Supply and Demand by DaMattster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The years I spent becoming a Systems Engineer were a waste when each time I found a new job, it would only be stable for about a year or two until I was training my H1-B visa replacement. Finally, I left it altogether for a career in truck/bus driving where the average time spent unemployed is around 4 hours. I make almost 65,000 a year which is what I was paid at my last IT job (which was a demotion.) If you ask me, the problem is the entire H1-B Visa program. College-bound kids ask me if they should go into a career in IT and I give them the real downsides. I tell them to learn a trade. If I had had a crystal ball, I NEVER would have gone into IT - I would have learned a trade. Certainly, driving a truck can be a bit mind numbing at times so I'm learning to code in C and C++ on my own time to keep my mind engaged. Computers and networks are so much more fun when you can hack.

    2. Re:Supply and Demand by fluffernutter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh get off your high horse. When a company can get rid of a domestic worker and bring in a foreign one it is NOT a free market. It is deleberately stacked against domestic workers. People would go into tech if they SAW PEOPLE WITH TECH JOBS DOING WELL. As a tech parent, my kids will not be going into tech unless something changes drastically, and soon.

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    3. Re:Supply and Demand by wisnoskij · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That is happening, it is just happening for Asians. The free market is providing jobs and training to the most needy. Indians need these jobs more so the free market is giving them to them. What you are looking for is some form of communism designed to protect a privileged class that gives jobs and resources not to the needy or skilled but to the upper classes.

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    4. Re:Supply and Demand by wisnoskij · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      So your definition of a free market is a market where a company is restricted from hireling the best person for the job?

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    5. Re:Supply and Demand by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

      Despite Disney's actions, the future looks really bright for tech workers. For example, the Bureau of Labor Statistics says that for software developers, the job outlook is "much better than average." http://www.bls.gov/ooh/compute...

      If your children are interested in tech, you'll be hurting their futures if you try to steer them into other professions.

      There might be some parts of the country, such as Detroit, where the job outlook isn't great. But in most places, technical professions are very much in demand.

    6. Re:Supply and Demand by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      In my mind, the best person for the job is the most qualified person, and domestically we have plenty of those. First hand, I know that H1Bs are not the most qualified people. So yes, I think a free market involves hiring the best person for the job.

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    7. Re:Supply and Demand by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Well I'll tell you when I see it. As for right now, I'm highly qualified. I have an internet startup that I have started totally on my own time for crying out loud. I've done the web design, the software design, the coding.. everything. It's doing well but not a day job yet. I have a day job for a good company but looking for something better. So far it seems unless I'm in silicon valley, New York, or LA, no one is interested. All the local companies tell me I'm asking for too much, but that they'll get back to me if something comes up. I've put my skills on linked in, and I'm trying to network everywhere I can. Not sure what else I have to do.

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    8. Re:Supply and Demand by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Also, yes I am aware I can move. But what is the point of moving if my quality of life goes down after considering mortgage, commute time and working hours?

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    9. Re:Supply and Demand by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      They are supposed to exhaust local hires before hiring an import. That is how imports are supposed to drive down salaries and satisfy need. Actually, they are just to satisfy need. Lowering salaries is irrelevant.

      You are not supposed to fire people and replace them with imports. That is supposed to be illegal (you are even supposed to advertise locally in a paper to show you tried.) Firing someone local ain't exactly trying hard.

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    10. Re:Supply and Demand by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

      Yes, you do typically have to live in or near a big city to get good tech jobs. Being from Texas, I know that the market for developers is hot in all of the major cities in this state. Home prices, the cost of living, and taxes are all low in Texas, even in the cities. Pay for programmers is good, well into six figures, and that pay goes a lot farther than it does in Silicon Valley. I'll grant you that commute times are often around one hour each way. But that's true with or without H1(b)s.

      All this leads me to think that your struggles finding the work you want are not so much because of competition from H1(b) candidates, but more because of your own personal choices about where to live and what kind of pay you'll accept.

    11. Re:Supply and Demand by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Well I can tell you if I had an hour commute it would impact my kids mostly. There is no way I would be able to have them in any extracurricular activities. The timing would never work. That kind of impact to them is just not acceptable to me. If you consider that 'shooting for the moon' then that's really sad in my opinion, and that should not be what the job market demands. A fair market should give my family increased quality of life.

      At least we have nailed why childhood obesity is such a large issue.

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    12. Re:Supply and Demand by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2

      Let's say that the whole system was scrapped and anyone anywhere in the world was eligible to be hired.

      Now consider the cost of living. The reason why $7000 a year is a respectable salary in India is because they consider a refrigerator to be a luxury option. Not a double-french door, 2 bottom compartment water-and-icemaker model with iPad in the door - just a basic fridge-and-freezer combo with manual ice trays will do.

      Replace the central A/C with a fan. Expect the electricity to go out at intervals. Kiss the Steak-and-Potatoes goodby. Rice and dal are more likely. But spices are cheap, which is good, since that's how you break the monotony of rice and dal. And by the way, the health and safety standards of your food is much more "free market" than in the USA, in addition to being amenable to bribery. So develop a strong immune system and tolerance for toxic chemicals. No 4-bedroom ranch house with 3-car garage. More like an apartment and no cars at all. Although your employer might provide a shuttle bus. No lawn, of course.

      This is what your Free Market paradise would be like.

      Is your ideology so important to you that that's how you would like to live?

    13. Re:Supply and Demand by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Let me add one more comment. I'm not asking to make big city money, I'm just asking for regular incremental increases as my skills improve as a tech person. I understand that my trajectory might not be the same if I'm not in the right place, that I can accept. But why should my potential be capped entirely? That is what I cannot accept.

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    14. Re:Supply and Demand by magarity · · Score: 1

      It's the free market at work

      Except that H1-B is a government intervention in the market; by definition it interferes with (and demonstrably screws up) the local free labor market. To be free market at work, the temporary foreign workers in question would need to be immigrants permanently coming to the local labor market.

    15. Re:Supply and Demand by sociocapitalist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "If you ask me, the problem is the entire H1-B Visa program."

      I suggest rather that the problem is the system which allows corporate interests to buy and control lawmakers who arrange things such as the H1-B program.

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    16. Re:Supply and Demand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What? Why would that be illegal in a free market?

    17. Re:Supply and Demand by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      This is totally bullshit.

      The need for new applications on mobile devices and tablets will help increase the demand for application software developers.

      Apps apps apps - those jobs are the easiest ones to be done overseas. No job for YOU!

      The health and medical insurance and reinsurance carriers industry will need innovative software to manage new healthcare policy enrollments and administer existing policies digitally.

      Already outsourced. No job for YOU!

      As the number of people who use this digital platform increases over time, demand for software developers will grow.

      Demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of software. It takes the same number of developers to write the software, whether it's for 1,000 users or 2,000 users. Doubling the user base doesn't create double the jobs, unless you're doing it wrong. So, no job for YOU.

      Systems developers are likely to see new opportunities because of an increase in the number of products that use software. For example, more computer systems are being built into consumer electronics and other products, such as cell phones and appliances.

      built - in China. designed - in China. No job for YOU!

      Some outsourcing to foreign countries that offer lower wages may occur. However, because software developers should be close to their customers, the offshoring of this occupation is expected to be limited.

      Hahahahahaha - already demonstrably false. No job for YOU!

      The future is grim, unless you can get a government job writing fairy-tale job expectation reports to be believed by willing fools.

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    18. Re:Supply and Demand by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      Finally, I left it altogether for a career in truck/bus driving where the average time spent unemployed is around 4 hours.

      Your job won't exist in 10 years because of Google. You best be looking for your next gig. (Busking?)

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    19. Re:Supply and Demand by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      And aerospace engineering careers looked great back in the late 1970's. So, if you want you kid to have a "predictable" prosperous living, make them suffer through an aerospace or electrical engineering degree???

      Damn, what kind of idiot keeps falling for the same liars??? Your kid's future should be thought out; utilizing gaming theory. If you go STEM, you're going to be competing with automation (AI) for the next two decades, while they're going into college loan hock for a career that will last about 10 years before your employers deem your skills obsolete. Meanwhile, all the cutting edge engineering jobs will be overseas, because that's where the highest concentration of qualified workers will be (call it the NY/CA effect for IT jobs).

      Meanwhile, you're condemning your kid to lifetime mediocrity, because you believe everyone has to be a wage slave in order to build a better life. Don't teach your kid to rely on virtues based on fairy tales fed by the financial class to keep the machine operating. Gov't used to operate in a regulatory manner to ensure a stable enough financial system to favor the formation of a middle class. Those days are gone. There is no fairness in the workplace. Employers want you to blow hundreds of thousands of dollars in **your** training, but are looking to cut their bottom line with automation and foreigners, and don't give a shit about your efforts. Stop propping up the fairy tale if you don't want your children to live as wage slaves. Teach them that they are screwed in life unless they seize opportunity where ever they can grab it, find something they love to do, because its better to be working like a dog for the rest of their lives for something they like doing, look to become your own boss, and be ready to start all over again when your current career falls through. (And take their retirement saving and financial situation seriously as soon as possible, mid-twenties at the latest.)

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    20. Re:Supply and Demand by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      Actually, what the H1-B is supposed to make accessible relatively rare, skilled/qualified workers (PhD level minimum) for jobs that have too many technical requirements to be satisfied by the local employment pool. In theory, this should screw over the natives that slaved to get their PhD, but supposedly the US market reality makes them in such short supply, they wouldn't suffer any drop in salary or job opportunity. H1-Bs would then increase economic activity because more of those "critical" shortage positions filled which would be impossible otherwise. This is similar to the rationale used to allow more foreign doctors to work in the US, back when the AMA was creating an artificial shortage in doctors, and Nazi V-2 rocket engineers to produce ICBMs and a competing space program. Unfortunately, H1-Bs are being hired for systems administration and application coding to drive down the IT salaries.

      Gov't intervention in the market can result in improvement over the status quo. But the politicians that cheat the American public need their careers to be destroyed to order to manage the corruption. I cannot grasp how Rick Snyder & his cronies are still alive, other than the American public is incapable of operating a functioning society.

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    21. Re:Supply and Demand by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Again, I've never seen it balance out. Making more, but having that killed by a high mortgage and a long commute on top of it... That's a lot like going to a more expensive grocery store for 10% off soda and then spending 20% more on the other things you need. I've rarely seen it work out in a way that increases total sum living quality. That's called SETTLING where I am from.

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    22. Re:Supply and Demand by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      OK, so a free market is a marker where businesses hire the people asking for the highest salary regardless of if there are more or similarly talented people asking for less?

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    23. Re:Supply and Demand by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      I never said that anything good would follow from the free market. In a free market, given cheap transport, every single person in America would be out of a job.
      The economy would eventually settle down with Americans settling for far less then they have been accustomed, but the starving Africans and Indians would be doing far better than they are now. Probably save millions a year from starvation and create a classless utopia; But those are things Liberals want, not me. There are downsides to globalisation and the equalising power of capitalism (if you are on the top).

      I was just pointing out the ridiculousness of claiming that "if only a free market existed, I would not of been fired for someone willing to do my job for less"

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    24. Re:Supply and Demand by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      we already produce a shit load of food and clothing. Where are all these layabouts, that if only we put them to work we would finally have enough? The only way to get the poor people of the world more food or clothing is to take it from the Western countries.

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    25. Re:Supply and Demand by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      What Disney did is specifically against the intent AND letter of how the H1B program was written.

      Exactly, they circumvented a law that was standing in the way of the free market. Creating a freer market than was legal, resulting in an American competing against all of India. And in all of India there or course existed more talented people who wanted the job more than the American.

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    26. Re:Supply and Demand by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I didn't see anyone say that.

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    27. Re:Supply and Demand by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      So by that logic, all things motorised should use the Chrysler Viper 8.4 liter V10 640 horsepower engine, one of the most powerful combustion engine ever to be put in a car.

      America has qualified people, but India has a million times as many people, people who will work longer hours for less resources.

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    28. Re:Supply and Demand by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      No, but that is the entire point. Businesses hire them because they will work for less, because they are needy. That is the free market. Hireling someone who wants more money to do the same job, is not.

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    29. Re:Supply and Demand by Alumoi · · Score: 1

      No, a free market involes hiring who the fuck I want. It's my call. If I make a bad one I suffer the consequences.

    30. Re:Supply and Demand by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      A free market doesn't mean you get to ignore laws. The H1-B is specifically to act as a backup WHEN THERE ARE NO DOMESTIC WORKERS AVAILABLE.

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    31. Re:Supply and Demand by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Without protection against anyone coming in and working for a wage that THEIR government says they should work for, we loose our way of life very quickly and any war we have ever fought to protect it just becomes a huge waste of time.

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    32. Re:Supply and Demand by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Indians need these jobs more so the free market is giving them to them.

      That's not how the free market works.

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    33. Re:Supply and Demand by Alumoi · · Score: 1

      Then don't call it free market. Call it regulated market and be done with it.

    34. Re:Supply and Demand by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I didn't call it free market. OP did.

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    35. Re:Supply and Demand by Tamerlin · · Score: 1

      I've been a software engineer for a long time myself... been hating the industry for years. I'd never advise anyone to go into this field. I always tell them to start reading Dilbert... and that it's a sugar-coated version of reality, rather than fiction. For the real thing, I send them to the DailyWTF, which hopefully would lead anyone worth anything to run screaming from this field of shit that is the world of corporate idiot tech.

    36. Re:Supply and Demand by jgriffith325 · · Score: 1

      I think you miss the point. The point is employers wouldn't be able to hire foreigners cheaper if it wasn't for H1B. If it was a free market, those foreigners would be more expensive than local talent.

    37. Re:Supply and Demand by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      It's the free market at work. If these jobs keep paying better and better, more and more people will get the training to go into the field and balance it out. But that's not happening because...

      I teach computer information science at a college. We have a hard time recruiting students into the program because they pretty much all say they don't want to spend years learning how to be a programmer when all of the jobs are being replaced by foreigners or outsourced overseas.

      My son was going to go into CS some years ago, I talked him out of it when the first wave of outsourcing hit, seeing the writing on the wall.

      I always wondered, since American workers are considered so overpaid, wouldn't it make sense for the corporations to fire all of us, find the area of the world where people are paid the least, and hire them at just a few pennies above what they are making there.

      Then all of the unemployed Americans will buy all that stuff they do now, and corporate profits will be wonderful. Sounds like the perfect solution! A new golden age of Capitalist nirvana...

      Oh.......wait.......

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    38. Re:Supply and Demand by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Your job won't exist in 10 years because of Google. You best be looking for your next gig. (Busking?)

      Could be no one's job will.

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    39. Re:Supply and Demand by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      So your definition of a free market is a market where a company is restricted from hireling the best person for the job?

      S your definition of the best person for the job is only the cheapest person for the job?

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    40. Re:Supply and Demand by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      So by that logic, all things motorised should use the Chrysler Viper 8.4 liter V10 640 horsepower engine, one of the most powerful combustion engine ever to be put in a car.

      Worst

      "By that logic"

      Argument

      Ever!!

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    41. Re:Supply and Demand by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Then don't call it free market. Call it regulated market and be done with it.

      Who cares? No such thing nor will ther ever be - a free market.

      The free market is mere mental masturbation, where people are somehow greedy, but will never ever do anything that jeopardizes the free market. When in fact, as soon as any greed based system has a major player, the first thing they do is work the system so they have a permanent advantage.

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    42. Re:Supply and Demand by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      This is what your Free Market paradise would be like.

      Is your ideology so important to you that that's how you would like to live?

      The answer, for true capitalsts is - As long as I got mine, this gives me a woody!

      The problem of course, is that modern day American Corporatism is pathologically short sighted. The three month cycle rules.

      So for some weird reason, they have lost sight of the concept that you need people to buy stuff in order to make money. This is probably an extension of the concept of the employee as enemy number one, someone to be rid of if at all possible, that corporatists have been chanting for a long time.

      But just between us chachalacas, it might seem that the best way for people to spend money is for them to have money to spend in the first place. In the end, it makes more sense to have as many people making and spending money as possible.

      But individual prosperity which was once thought of as a good thing to the point of being a given, has now become crazy talk.

      Meanwhile once decently paid workers in IT, now unemployed, or maybe working at the drive through at McDonalds, and getting food stamps and Government assistance, possibly moving into section 8 housing because they don't have an employable skill set any more, are a drain on the country, and being replaced by someone who isn't making anywhere as much, and is probably sending a good chunk of that change back to to India - well, I doubt either group will be affording to go to DisneyWorld. It's a triple hit. All money being drained from teh economy.

      And at some point, the "make everyone as poor as possible" will end up being a detriment to companies like Disneyworld, who let's face it, are completely built on people having money to spend on things that if they disappeared, whouldn't make a bit of difference in the world.

      I have this weird dream, that if people have money to spend, they will spend it, and bring wealth to others, who will make and do more things, which will be sold to people who have money to spend.......

      Somehow that has been turned upside down. Somehow, some way, lowering the average wage is the path to wealth.

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    43. Re:Supply and Demand by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I never said that anything good would follow from the free market. In a free market, given cheap transport, every single person in America would be out of a job. The economy would eventually settle down with Americans settling for far less then they have been accustomed, but the starving Africans and Indians would be doing far better than they are now. Probably save millions a year from starvation and create a classless utopia; But those are things Liberals want, not me.

      Holy smokey spoons! Liberals wanting a free market? Wat's dis world a-commin to?

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    44. Re:Supply and Demand by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Despite Disney's actions, the future looks really bright for tech workers.

      Just not American ones.

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    45. Re:Supply and Demand by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      That is happening, it is just happening for Asians. The free market is providing jobs and training to the most needy. Indians need these jobs more so the free market is giving them to them. What you are looking for is some form of communism designed to protect a privileged class that gives jobs and resources not to the needy or skilled but to the upper classes.

      How odd your posts are. The idea of hiring citizens of another country to replace citizens of your own country is inherently short sighted and counterproductive, but to brand what would have ot be an extermely mild version of nationalism as communism by people who think that there is an economic basis for hiring citizens of one's own country just takes it to a new extreme.

      I mean your concept of hiring the most needy foreign citizens to replace the "upper classes", makes me suspect you sing The internationale every night before you go to bed.

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    46. Re:Supply and Demand by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      What Disney did is specifically against the intent AND letter of how the H1B program was written.

      Exactly, they circumvented a law that was standing in the way of the free market. Creating a freer market than was legal, resulting in an American competing against all of India. And in all of India there or course existed more talented people who wanted the job more than the American.

      You've made it the whole way to internet troll. You mad bro?

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    47. Re:Supply and Demand by Nunya666 · · Score: 1

      It's the free market at work. If these jobs keep paying better and better, more and more people will get the training to go into the field and balance it out. But that's not happening because...

      I teach computer information science at a college. We have a hard time recruiting students into the program because they pretty much all say they don't want to spend years learning how to be a programmer when all of the jobs are being replaced by foreigners or outsourced overseas.

      You seem to misunderstand cause and effect.

      Being replaced by foreigners is not the free market. It is caused by a government that is bought and paid for by corporations.

      Our government sees fit to protect our farmers because they are needed to feed the people. They do not protect the workers because there is no incentive to do that. In fact, since corporations are allowed to pay for their own politicians, our government protects corporations much better than they protect individual workers.

      BTW, I also teach computer science classes at a college.

    48. Re:Supply and Demand by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      And yours is one where I am restricted from buying stuff at the lowest possible price (e.g., books and movies from where they're cheaper)? If my living expenses were less, I could live as well at a lower salary.

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  6. "there is a need for more skilled workers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "We need to fire all our current workers to get unskilled workers from other countries and have our current workers train them until the new foreign workers become skilled."
    Someone really argued that position with a straight face?

  7. So that's how market works? by Daemonik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But a person who made a case for access to foreign workers was Mark O'Neill, the CTO of Jackthreads, an online retailer. He argued that there is a need for more skilled workers. Competition is so fierce for developers "that my developers' starting salaries have risen by 50% in the last eight years," said O'Neill, and "senior positions command compensation that meets or exceeds even that of United States Senators."

    So... scarcity equals higher price which is bad for business, except when it's business taking advantage of that scarcity. Would Mr. O'Neill complain to congress that we should allow foreign companies to build more Disney knockoffs, because Disney makes more money than some countries? I doubt it.

    1. Re:So that's how market works? by NormalVisual · · Score: 4, Insightful

      O'Neill didn't make a case for access to foreign workers. He merely whined that workers are more expensive than he'd prefer. So what if a senior dev makes more than a U.S. Senator? That, in fact, is the "free market" at work, but the free market debate has been framed solely in terms of corporate benefit, totally ignoring the fact that labor doesn't have the same options available.

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  8. That meets or exceeds United States Senators by Crashmarik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really ?, I have never been paid with a refrigerator full of money

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITI...

    1. Re:That meets or exceeds United States Senators by Intron · · Score: 4, Funny

      That was cold, hard cash.

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    2. Re:That meets or exceeds United States Senators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Without even making jokes nor accusations of corruption, $174K a year, I'd take that job in a heartbeat. That'd be a significant raise for me and I imagine for most people.

  9. math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Competition is so fierce for developers "that my developers' starting salaries have risen by 50% in the last eight years," said O'Neill

    Sounds a lot less if you run the numbers! That is only a moderate increase of 5.2% annually, compared to 2.8%-2.9% you need to adjust the budget by on average (!) for all salary increases.

    1. Re:math by Crashmarik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Competition is so fierce for developers "that my developers' starting salaries have risen by 50% in the last eight years," said O'Neill

      Sounds a lot less if you run the numbers! That is only a moderate increase of 5.2% annually, compared to 2.8%-2.9% you need to adjust the budget by on average (!) for all salary increases.

      Good point, If you factor in productivity gains I would bet that it was actually negative.

    2. Re: math by pr0t0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The larger problem is a lack of well-trained CEOs. There are so few in this country with the experience capable of leading a corporation like Disney. That's why we need to expand the C3-O worker visa program. In 2009, Bob Iger's total compensation was $29M. Just six short years later, the company now has pay him $45M to keep him. That's an increase of 64% in that short span of time.

      Without an influx of less expensive upper management from India, I fear the Disney Corporation will cease to exist. We need your help senator!

      When they complain about the cost of IT wages, the above is all I hear.

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    3. Re:math by RabidReindeer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And in at least some of those years, salaries for the folks at the top - like O'Neill - have risen more like 14%.

    4. Re: math by russotto · · Score: 1

      I believe a CEO of that stature could come in on an O-1 (nonimmigrant) or EB-1 (immigrant) visa, so your sarcasm is somewhat misplaced. Of course, faking a top-level CEO resume is a wee bit harder than faking an IT resume.

    5. Re: math by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      Overseas, there is a ton of CEO talent that are paid much less than US talent. We should recruit more of that CEO talent, so US companies have better operational leaders, healthier, growing companies, and thus more available jobs, and stop the skyrocketing cost of management compensation for shareholders.

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    6. Re: math by undefinedreference · · Score: 1

      I want to know where these raises are going. I haven't seen an appreciable raise at any point in the last 15 years. If our skills were so valuable, it wouldn't take regular job changes to bump your income. Clearly, we're not that rare or valuable.

    7. Re: math by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Oh they're not going to YOU, they're going to the shareholders. And they thank you every day for it I'm sure.

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    8. Re: math by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      Management does not replace management. Shareholders replace management.

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  10. Demand by DaMattster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If there is a demand for more skilled workers, then why are companies replacing existing skilled labor with foreign workers on the H1-B visa program? The CTO of Jackthreads makes no sense whatsoever. The H1-B visa program is all about trying to save corporations money at the expense of domestic skilled workers. The argument about a lack of skilled programmers is baloney.

    1. Re:Demand by tlambert · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If there is a demand for more skilled workers, then why are companies replacing existing skilled labor with foreign workers on the H1-B visa program?

      There are three aspects tot he answer to this question:

      (1) Disney didn't actually replace the workers with H1-B workers; they replaced an internal department with an outsourced department consisting onf a third party company, which happens to have a lot of H1-B workers.

      (2) In many cases, the labor being replaced is not actually all that skilled. The U.S. education system isn't what it used to be, and the graduates aren't what they used to be, back when they were getting through their degree programs on academic scholarships, rather than student loans. A lot of this has to do with the U.S. workers having experience, but not degrees, since they were in many cases sniped out of degree programs by companies in the .bomb era who needed cubicle warmers to prove to their VCs that they were hitting their hiring targets. Now we have an non-degreed generation, which gets us to the third part.

      (3) A lot of these people are greying. That's a kind way of saying that they are expensive, compared to new graduates. Usually, that's couched as "culture fit", but what it really means is that CEOs tend to prefer people younger than themselves be working for them, because it's cheaper, and in many cases, you can hire better quality: they may have gone through a crappy degree program, but at least they didn't leave a crappy degree program after two years to become a cubicle warmer for some company that later tanked, going down with all hands.

      So in combo, that pretty much covers why they want H1-B's, and why the outsourcing companies are able to do for Disney what Disney wants done, cheaper than an in house IT department would be able to do it.

    2. Re:Demand by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      If there is a demand for more skilled workers, then why are companies replacing existing skilled labor with foreign workers on the H1-B visa program? The CTO of Jackthreads makes no sense whatsoever. The H1-B visa program is all about trying to save corporations money at the expense of domestic skilled workers. The argument about a lack of skilled programmers is baloney.

      Exactly, it increases the supply of cheaper labor. Unfortunately, until people vote someone out over the H1B issue little will be done.

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    3. Re:Demand by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      But by driving down costs to companies by wiping out units of qualified US workers for foreign workers, where is the incentive for a US student to invest money & time into a position which will only be filled by "cheaper" foreign worker?

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    4. Re:Demand by jopsen · · Score: 1

      (3) A lot of these people are greying. That's a kind way of saying that they are expensive, compared to new graduates.

      Yeah, it seems to me that having more than 2 years experience brings little value in software. (not always, but often)

    5. Re:Demand by tlambert · · Score: 2

      But by driving down costs to companies by wiping out units of qualified US workers for foreign workers, where is the incentive for a US student to invest money & time into a position which will only be filled by "cheaper" foreign worker?

      Well, obviously, if you got a "full ride" academic scholarship, you aren't investing money, only time.

      But yes, if you export middle-classness to Hyderabad, you must, of necessity of the balance of trade, import poverty into the U.S., given that many of these positions are actually not in the U.S. for the particular contractors involved. A lot of them come over on an H-3, get the training, and then go back home and do the job remotely. The U.S. does not currently have a visa waiver program covering India, so at a minimum, you're talking an L-1B or B-1 to cover up to 90 days of training.

    6. Re:Demand by tlambert · · Score: 1

      Look. I will break it down very simply for you.

      What would the situation be right now, had 100 people decided to quit, en masse, from Disney's IT department, and start their own company, "Happy Dan's outsourced IT solutions", and then come to Disney and said "Hey, we hear you have need of IT services, how about you hire us to do it, since we have a lot of people familiar with your problem domain?".

      Even in California, this would have been a *massive* lawsuit.

      OK, so instead of these guys deciding to quit, an existing IT outsourcing firm, currently bidding on an IT outsourcing contract with Disney which Disney has already put out to bid, comes in and offers a sweetheart deal to 10% of Disney's existing IT staff. And succeeds in hiring them away. They'd likely be successful, particularly if someone let slip, during the negotiations, that, "hey, your jobs with Disney are going away soon; you *may* want to take our offer".

      Again: even in California, this is *massive lawsuit territory*.

      So how precisely, would you suggest that the IT people at disney end up working as IT people for the outsourcing company, without causing problems for the IT outsourcing company?

    7. Re:Demand by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Disney didn't actually replace the workers with H1-B workers; they replaced an internal department with an outsourced department consisting onf a third party company, which happens to have a lot of H1-B workers.

      So it's the third party company that is breaking the law, by bringing in H-1Bs where there are already enough qualified US workers doing the job?

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  11. Easy to fix by trout007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they don't want to follow the laws then just refuse to enforce the intellectual monopoly laws. Let's see how they like having all of their characters enter the public domain.

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  12. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Trump is playing a simple role, just like you said, he's playing into what people said they wanted. But the people who want his ideology in power are driven by a crippling fear for the future. Rest assured, no good will come from a leader who plays on fear, rather than quells it.

  13. Re: No new job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Disney sacks employees. Hires h1bs from india. Trains them up. Moves the jobs to india.
    It's not difficult to understand. Same story in USA x 1000

  14. Replacing an existing worker? by firesyde424 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How is this legal? It's my admittedly weak understanding of H1B law that it can only be used to fill a job position if there are no qualified domestic workers. It sounds very much like a case of Disney replacing a current employee with an H1B visa worker.

    1. Re:Replacing an existing worker? by tlambert · · Score: 3, Informative

      How is this legal? It's my admittedly weak understanding of H1B law that it can only be used to fill a job position if there are no qualified domestic workers. It sounds very much like a case of Disney replacing a current employee with an H1B visa worker.

      Disney is not hiring H1-B's to replace their existing IT people; they are outsourcing the jobs that used to be handled by their in-house IT department to another company. That other company happens to have a bunch of H1-B workers, because they are well known for having a lot of H1-B workers, and because all of the U.S. talent that they would have potentially hired to do outsourced work for various companies was locked up in companies like Disney.

      It's really not that hard to understand.

    2. Re:Replacing an existing worker? by pla · · Score: 2

      and because all of the U.S. talent that they would have potentially hired to do outsourced work for various companies was locked up in companies like Disney.

      Okay - So now that all that talent formerly "locked up" at Disney has entered the job market, the company to which Disney outsourced its IT department now has qualified domestic workers available and no longer has any excuse to hire H1Bs.

      It's really not that hard to understand.

    3. Re:Replacing an existing worker? by tlambert · · Score: 1

      and because all of the U.S. talent that they would have potentially hired to do outsourced work for various companies was locked up in companies like Disney.

      Okay - So now that all that talent formerly "locked up" at Disney has entered the job market, the company to which Disney outsourced its IT department now has qualified domestic workers available and no longer has any excuse to hire H1Bs.

      It's really not that hard to understand.

      Too late: the H-1B's were already granted while the talent was locked up. And seriously: most out the outsourcing generally means off-shoring, not H-1B's Those jobs are being taken by people from India, but they are in offices in India, where it's cheaper to maintain them, rather than offices in the U.S..

    4. Re:Replacing an existing worker? by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Disney is not hiring H1-B's to replace their existing IT people; they are outsourcing the jobs that used to be handled by their in-house IT department to another company.

      And it's time we called those companies out. Infosys and Wipro are two of the largest Indian outsourcers. They bring over teams of useless fucking curry munchers out of some cert factory in India so they can win contracts that local companies can't compete with. I got a call once from these guys and they were all Indians that I could barely understand. A friend of mine took a job there and said he got treated like a slave.
      Stop giving them work and they will go away.

    5. Re:Replacing an existing worker? by tlambert · · Score: 1

      Your hand waving is just semantics, whether they replace an entire department by an outsourcing company or replace the workers individually it is the same net effect. It is like me offering you the option of having your hand amputated with an axe or a saw, either way you lose your hand.

      No, it's closer to a bunch of cellular customers deciding they hate AT&T all at once, and switching their service over to T-Mobile.

      You're arguing that T-Mobile should be obligated to hire the AT&T employees who are now all just sitting around, twiddling their thumbs.

      This type of displacement happens in things like uniform supply companies, custodial companies, and other service industry companies all the time, when a contract comes up for renewal, and the company who previously had the old contract doesn't get the new one.

      You need to quit whining about IT workers being some sort of special flowers, rather than being easily replaceable cogs.

  15. Re: No new job? by mxeDiT10n · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's that lack, of a follow thru, which lands this bullshit journalism into the hands of sheeple. That's what you're pacing back & forth over. It isn't whether this worker can or cannot land a new job, its that the evil H-1B visa took it away. Disney hasn't created anything since the new millenium that isn't just recycled bullshit. They're solely surviving on their brand, which is burning like a pile of worn out tires. And that's where the journalistic focus should be. Let the companies who employ the H-1B visa tactic, fall. And may they fall swiftly.

  16. "We need more skilled workers" by Chas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't believe the bullshit logic.

    "We're firing US workers and hiring H1B workers because we need more skilled workers and competition is fierce."

    Uh. WHAT?

    If they need MORE skilled workers, and the pool of US workers is too small, HIRE FROM THE H1B POOL AND KEEP YOUR EXISTING WORKERS!

    But, again, we know this isn't truly about a dearth of talent in the worker pool.

    It's actually about a race to the bottom for salaries and the money saved by paying pennies on the dollar to the equivalent of an IT sweat shop. Economizing US workers out of their livelihoods.

    And it needs to stop...

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    1. Re:"We need more skilled workers" by buddyglass · · Score: 1

      Seems like we're talking about two different pools. Perrero was an IT guy. The CEO is talking about Sr. Devs. Its possible there's a huge shortage of Sr. Devs and not much of a shortage of "IT guys".

    2. Re:"We need more skilled workers" by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      You summarized two different arguments. One is about not having enough people at all, foreign or not. The other is the real problem, taking advantage of the system to lower wages.

      The first problem will lower wages, but the second has lower wages as the only goal, above continuity and quality.

      Your post just makes all h1b opponents look like frothing retards. You're not helping.

    3. Re:"We need more skilled workers" by Chas · · Score: 1

      Thank you for misreading and then restating my entire point.

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  17. Does anyone believe him? by bradley13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mr. Jackthreads says that he pays senior developers $200k. Does anyone actually believe him? In Switzerland, where IT jobs are hard to fill, a good salary for a senior developer might reach at $150k. It's probably about the same in Silicon Valley - and in both cases, that's because the cost of living is pretty high. I want to see his accounts, because I don't believe he pays any of his developers that kind of salary. He's lying, and no one had the guts to call him on it.

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    1. Re:Does anyone believe him? by godrik · · Score: 1

      I do believe him. Salaries in Silicon Valley are ridiculous, probably because the cost of living is just as ridiculous.
      Actually for the location, $200k/year for a senior developer is on the low side if you include health care, stock options, end of year bonus, ... I know multiple people that make more than that.

    2. Re: Does anyone believe him? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, he's not lying. Top developers do make over $200k in SV because they are worth it. There are lot's of professions that pay better and require far less talent, such as being a senator, a salesperson, a real estate agent, a recruiter, a lawyer, or a dentist.

      When do we start the H1-B program to replace our over-paid senators? It should be funny to see senator Weiner train his replacement.

    3. Re:Does anyone believe him? by MrKrillls · · Score: 1

      There's a shortage of developers *at prices he wants to pay*. (Translation - he can get developers elsewhere for cheaper and is happy to dump local grown for imports. And then, makes up stories to create the false impression there is scarcity here.)

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    4. Re:Does anyone believe him? by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 1

      If he has such problems he should move his operation to where things are simply cheaper. Where I live in PA he could higher a senior developer for less than half of that and that developer could not only afford to own their own home, they could live in a gated community for $100k/year.

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    5. Re:Does anyone believe him? by Shados · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In Silicon Valley it's not uncommon for someone straight out of college to start at 100-110k these days. One of my friends is working -remotely- (while living in the middle of nowhere, so cost of living is super low) for a west coast company as a Sr Engineer and makes 200k~.

      I'm on the east coast and while my title is one notch above Sr, I'm still just your every day software engineer, and I make about 230k. I'm not leading a team. I'm not architecting anything large. I used to, and I'm qualified to, but right now I don't.

      The market for qualified software engineers is -brutal-, because you need software engineers to do ANYTHING, and the market is getting flooded by "I didn't finish highschool but I went into a bootcamp so I'm awesome at Rails" and "I have an MIT degree so it means im good, right?" peanut gallery folks (even though I do know a lot of good engineers who went that route). Even paying in the 200k+ range, giving every benefits under the sun, giving people everything they want, the hardware they want, the software they want, the money they want, the projects they want, the location they want (including remote), it's STILL hard to find good people.

      H1B is supposed to help with this. And the idea is good: if a position cannot be filled locally, get someone from abroad so we're not at a disadvantage. If it worked that way, it WOULD be perfect.

      But it doesn't. I know a bunch of TN1s from Canada who are fantastic engineers, and are filling positions that would take forever to fill up, and are commanding 250k+ a year...and because they're not lucky at the H1B lottery, they're stuck with the TN1 leash, year after year.

      During that time those subcontracting crooks are using up all of the H1Bs for bullshit that goes against the spirit of the program. And then we allow spouses of those H1Bs to work, so it takes up low skill positions (which the country has a huge shortage of), forcing people on food stamps. Its terrible.

      Yes, there is a shortage of H1Bs for the companies that have genuine need for the system in the spirit it was meant for. The solution isn't to increase quotas though, its to make sure it's used the way its meant to be.

    6. Re: Does anyone believe him? by russotto · · Score: 1

      Jackthreads also isn't out of Silicon Valley -- it was founded in Columbus, Ohio, and opened an office in New York City. They got bought by a company called Thrillist, also in New York City, then split again last year. They're still in New York City.

    7. Re:Does anyone believe him? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Maybe if it was reasonable to live there, or companies moved to where it was reasonable for people to live, they wouldn't have the same issues.

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    8. Re:Does anyone believe him? by Shados · · Score: 1

      They did that. And its why it became unreasonable. Once you have a big company with a successful IPO minting a few thousand millionaires, all jumping on the real estate at the same time, things get out of hand.

      Add that if I open my company in the middle of fucking nowhere, I wont be able to hire fast enough. If Google opens an office in Mississippi and pay 350k/year for a Sr engineer, they're still going to struggle to find good people.

    9. Re:Does anyone believe him? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      So that's why Google does some research and picks a state with possibly slightly less candidates then silicon valley but more than Mississippi. America is a very big place. I find it hard to believe there are no good workers anywhere but the four or five major centers. Or maybe Google should just, you know, train people like companies did twenty years ago.

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    10. Re:Does anyone believe him? by Shados · · Score: 1

      They do have offices all over. But the moment the amount of cities with high enough concentration of qualified tech workers is limited, because...the amount of large cities is limited.

      Some cities (eg: Montreal) have "resisted" crazy wage increases somewhat, because of things like rent control-ish policies, but even there it still jumped up a lot.

      And all those companies fight for any half decent college grad, too. And while Google may not, many other companies will literally hire any idiot. And even then, there's still shortages of idiots.

      Fact remains that there's more and more high skill jobs openings, and less and less low skill ones. And that's just not how human society stacks up. So it is hurting.

    11. Re:Does anyone believe him? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Well society can stack up how ever we want it to, assuming we have a fair and equitable government that actually cares about the quality of life within its borders.

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  18. Re: It's a small world... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Five points to Slitherin.

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  19. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I think the definition of a candidate's attributes can be accurately gleaned from his behavior and his followers. Trump is a bully who's core support comes from disenfranchised xenophobes.

    He says what he thinks.

    Trump says what an uneducated idiot would say to his buddy in private company. He attacks detractors like a schoolyard bully with a foul mouth, and he is of zero substance.

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  20. Re:This is mostly the same congress by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    I need to know who will bail the common worker out.

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  21. Wrong retard! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    You are not describing "capitalism" or "capitalist". Good grief go read the fucking books! The reason Capitalism works is because it's balanced on all ends. Workers work for what they get, business owners sell for what they can get, and consumers pay what they consider to be a fair price. For a good amount of US History we had Capitalism, or at least operated very close to those ideas.

    When the Businesses dictate everything the system is closer to the old and failed mercantilism which Capitalism replaced. You could also call it fascism, because it's pretty damn close to what Mussolini described as a Fascist economy. Which, by the way, works better than most people think because the US Government is no longer a Constitutional Republic. Except on paper.

    1. Re:Wrong retard! by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      You are not describing "capitalism" or "capitalist". Good grief go read the fucking books! The reason Capitalism works is because it's balanced on all ends.

      Definition 123,555,876,095 of how capitalism is. A couple days ago it was maximum profits for minimum costs. Before that, it was total efficiency. None of those definitions are balanced in any way.

      And, hey, these were from people who define themselves as Capitalists. So We may be onto a "No True Capitalist" argument.

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    2. Re:Wrong retard! by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      The reason Capitalism works is because it's balanced on all ends. Workers work for what they get, business owners sell for what they can get, and consumers pay what they consider to be a fair price.

      In some alternate universe where the worker is free to enjoy third word prices and the boss is forbidden from hiring workers from the third world? Of all the willfully ignorant religious fanatics, capitalists are some of the most annoying.

  22. huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    You think Gates et.al are fighting for "education" in schools? If so, think again. Common Core was brought to you by Gates Foundation truckloads of cash. You can start there. Once you have a good grasp, really look at the code.org "education" and see what it does.

    1. Re: huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Funny how they aren't fighting to bring the cost down of C level execs in the same way

  23. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by geoskd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the definition of a candidate's attributes can be accurately gleaned from his behavior and his followers. Trump is a bully who's core support comes from disenfranchised xenophobes. He says what he thinks. Trump says what an uneducated idiot would say to his buddy in private company. He attacks detractors like a schoolyard bully with a foul mouth, and he is of zero substance.

    And yet, he's still better than Clinton, who will never stand up to an ideological fight because theres a chance she might not win. At least with trump, we know what his agenda is. With Clinton, we just don't know what shes been paid to do, and you can bet its not in our best interests.

    I'm particularly in favor of Sanders, as he not only understands the problems we are facing (as do most of the candidates), but is willing to stand up and fight for the right solutions even if it means loosing. Even a loosing fight is worth fighting sometimes. If Obama had had an ounce of real fight in him, we might not have a complete mess of a healthcare law, that failed to meet most of its objectives, and half the population hates.

    The only way this election gets close for me is if Its Trump Vs Sanders. I would likely vote for Sanders, but failing that, Trump it is.

    There are lots of people out there who think Trump and sanders are at the opposite ends of the spectrum, but they are the same in the truly important ways: Both are willing to take up the fights they believe in, consequences be damned. With Sanders, we know what his politics are about, and his ideas do not jibe with Wall-street, nor Washington, and hes the better man for it. With Trump, we don't know what many of his positions are because, like any real leader, he hasn't made up his mind about a great many issues because he hasn't had the time or the need to make a decision one way or the other.

    The single biggest failing of democracy, is that most voters are too stupid to understand that a candidate that has all the answers right now, is far more likely to be dead wrong about most of them. Voters should stop looking for candidates who already know where they stand on everything, and start looking for candidates with a track record of making good decisions. Voters also have to realize that they themselves are not good at making decisions, and that finding a candidate that matches their views, prejudices against candidates who can make good impartial decisions.

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  24. Inflation calculation by michaelmalak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    50% rise in eight years? That's only 1.5^0.125 = 5.2%/year. That's less than the rise in college tuition. For the extremes of the range, there is the ridiculously low CPI of 10% over eight years and the ridiculously high ShadowStats.com of 100% over eight years (view page source to see the hidden value). The geometric mean of those two extremes is sqrt(1.1*2.0)=48%.

    Maybe 50% over eight years (5.2%/year) is in fact overstating actual inflation, but it's far from self-evident. By just stating the number and expecting people to be shocked, Mark O'Neill is, intentionally or not, advancing the wage-suppression-through-inflation scam.

  25. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    as the donald would say: YOU'RE FIRED!!

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  26. Re:eh by buddyglass · · Score: 1

    I'd be fine with that. Alternately the government could remove the limit on H1Bs entirely, but levy a tax on them. Essentially a tariff on imported labor. You don't want the tariff set so high that there are zero H1Bs, but you also don't want employers to go nuts. If the average H1B costs $10k less than his domestic counterpart (taking into account all sources of cost, i.e. benefits, payroll taxes, etc.) then tax employers $8k/year for each H1B-employee-year equivalent.

  27. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by rmdingler · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I understand the utter lack of candidates on both sides we can get proudly behind, but an important distinction to be made between electing a political hack and a dangerous megalomaniac.

    Can we really afford to risk further devaluing international relations with a guy who might just say anything?

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    Ernest Hemingway

  28. The Shadow Ninja Strikes Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ATTENTION READERS - BEWARE OF THE HARD COLD FACTS BELOW - READ AT YOUR OWN RISK!

    I'm an Dev-Ops consultant to many large and well known companies in and out of the USA. I outsource all the time, it's what I do and what people seek me out for, it's an unwritten company rule. Everyone is doing it, everyone is going to do it, American's need to suck it up and choose a different career path OR get congress to change the rules and here is why. H1B* Visa's are a joke, you don't need them anymore. The rise of outsourcing shops in these places solve the H1B* issues, If we need to train them, we send someone over, it's that f**king easy, simple and CHEAP. Companies do not need to invest must into off shore infrastructures, most shops already have it in place, you just connect your corporate pipe, VPN system, done.

    American
    1. BS grad with avg or better GPA (American standard)
    2. 5 years of corp experience with the latest fade languages, frameworks and apps
    3. Works 1st shift only
    4. Wants full benefits
    5. Wants Hipster like benefits and perks
    6. Has ideas and sometimes challenges ideas
    7. Sometimes misses work, can quit during projects, not legally liable to finish work, hard to fire or work around in HRs.
    8. Personal investment
    9. OTE around $120,000 east coast - $150,000 west coast

    India/Malaysia
    1. BS grad with avg or better GPA (American influenced standard)
    2. Most often a secondary or Masters degree
    3. 5 years of corp experience via offshoring/outsourcing with any language, framework and apps you need
    4. Works any shift
    5. No additional perks
    6. Does what is told or outlined in the ASK
    7. No sick days, if a resource has to miss, they provide an stand in so no downtime is caused, are legally liable for unfinished work, contract based on SOWs.
    8. No personal investment
    9. OTE around $5,000 to $10,000 a head

    Now, I'm sorry, but If I can put a skilled business analysis in front of an outsourced Dev-Ops team, I can reduce IT costs a ton and keep quality up. This is a Government thing, nothing you or your States can do. Can I will continue to make bank on this until then. Which means at some point someone like me, is coming for your job and it's just a matter of time. I tried to fight the system at first, you can't, no company in the USA sees IT as anything special, Technology people lost their chance. You all didn't stand up and be counted and weighed. Staying at the head of the Tech is just a fade for a few fade people, who get lucky with a fade company. To be honest, no CEO, VP respects an IT person, period.

    You have 2 options in the IT world now.
    1. Get a startup going from a fade idea and either go gold or get bought
    2. Get into Management
    3. Get what you can from a company while you can, but plan on being axed any day

    This isn't restricted to software either, I just finished outsourcing all Net and Tech Operations for a company as well last year, you can thank The Cloud for that! Anything related to IT I can reduce by 75% while keeping quality negotiable range of +/- 10%.

    1. Re:The Shadow Ninja Strikes Again by satellite17 · · Score: 1

      I'm an Dev-Ops consultant to many large and well known companies in and out of the USA. I outsource all the time

      So you're a DevOps consultant who doesn't know that outsourcing it the antithesis of DevOps? Or Perhaps Dev-Ops is different from DevOps.

      The rest of your rant is a load of nonsense. You need to learn about the difference between cost and value (another key part of DevOps by the way).

    2. Re:The Shadow Ninja Strikes Again by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      Shut the fuck up, ignorant peasant. He was being candid, and he was not trying to perpetuate the H1-B myth of being an indispensable benefit to the US economy. The market reality is the market reality. US IT workers have to up their game, get out, or start fucking over the political/financial class. That should be the message Bernie Sanders should be delivering.

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      There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
    3. Re:The Shadow Ninja Strikes Again by swb · · Score: 1

      I think a lot of companies have found out that hipster benefits and perks are just cheaper than paying market wages by promoting a false sense of "fun", mostly that can be trotted out to prospective employees.

      The small company I'm working for is moving into a new office space and there's so much talk about "the game room" that I just about puke every time hear it, especially when I see the tiny postage stamp size cubicle space they're building. It's a jerkoff way to spend $1500 on a TV and a couch and then claim a "fun" working environment.

    4. Re:The Shadow Ninja Strikes Again by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      When ever I see a post like this.. I wonder why the hell anyone ever fought for the way of life in the western hemisphere in the first place.. I guess the world wars were all just a big waste of time, if we're going to stop fighting for it now and bend over anyway.

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      Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
    5. Re:The Shadow Ninja Strikes Again by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      India/Malaysia 1. BS grad with avg or better GPA (American influenced standard)

      I worked on a project opening a Malaysian development centre (ie to hire local devs for 1/10th the salary). In theory it sounded great, but you do take a massive hit on quality. Even thought they claim all these qualifications, degrees and certs, most people I met were monkeys that were struggled to do anything as soon as it went off the menu.
      You can get stuff done, but it requires a shit load more micromanagement because they are so useless at everything.
      After a couple of years we started shifting stuff back on shore, only using the Malaysians for monkey work, and anything that required thinking was done back at home. My current experience of dealing with Indian outsourcers is much the same.

  29. Re: No new job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But his replacements made no sacrifices? I hope you apply those words to yourself and that
    you have no problem pulling up roots and dislocating your family to another place in the U.S.
    But I'm sure if you were in Leo Perrero's position, you'd be saying something completely different.

    The cool thing about the IoT, is that a astute /. reader can pick out the Disney plants on the site.
    1. They post as A.C.
    2. They always attack the victim and make it appear that it's a character defect with the victim.

    To put all of the blame on his circumstances on him shows you have little compassion for him.
    It's truly wonderful that you know so much about his position to suggest that if he has problems
    relocating, it's his fault and failure as a person and willingness to make the "proper" sacrifice.

    Craftily put and worded, by you, I might add.

    Now, if Disney were closing that facility / going out of business, it'd be an entirely different story.
    Or if his job description changed and he could not transition to a new role within the company.

    But it's interesting that Disney's actions are directly reflected in their race-to-hell quality of their
    media of late. It's very sad, very sad.

    Yes, the reason Mark Hamill said nothing in the latest Star Wars abortion wasn't that he had no
    lines to say, but could not bring himself to further defame the original work he and his peers made.

    -- Word!

    CAP === 'construe'

  30. Market Economy by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    If jackthreads can't afford to pay the market rates for someone who puts together the infrastructure that *runs their business* then perhaps they can't afford to be in business.

    Perhaps Jack-ass-threads (sorry: I *had* to get it out of my system) O'neil should be lobbying congress to reduce the financial debt someone gets to be able to accumulate the education required. Then *more* people capable of doing what they want will be available and the market rate will change.

    Instead they all continually argue to erode the pool of skilled people who can do those things. Their short term thinking expects someone else to be on the paying end of capitalism which becomes their argument for more of these visa. I think that's called pissing into the fountain you are drinking from.

    This would be an appropriate scenario for an IT Union looking after Professional IT worker's interests by lobbying at a political level about how appropriate H1B visas are in the community. It's the 21st century folks, it doesn't have to be about picket lines and strikes, it could be about an IT Union arguing which legal constructs are acceptable in the community and, which are not to a Senator. Who else do you expect to do it, because you certainly have an example of the type of people having these discussions *against* IT people's interests.

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  31. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by RabidReindeer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    d. do the disenfranchised really believe that once elected, he'd be interested in helping them?

  32. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

    "and he is of zero substance"

    Look around, and his supporters. Substance is lacking nationwide, it's not just a problem of presidential candidacy.

    Not by a long shot. You can sell pretty and you can sell cheap a lot easier than you can sell substance.

  33. Re: No new job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He shouldn't *have* to make sacrifices. What Disney did is illegal. Blatantly so. The H1B program is not meant to be a way to lower costs for companies. It's so that companies can import workers *when no local workers exist to do the job, regardless of the cost*. There were workers available. Disney hired a shady outsourcing company. Black and white, open and shut. If Disney is not reprimanded for this, then our entire legal system and government needs to be torn down and rebuilt because we're so corrupt it cannot be fixed without bloodshed. I'm not saying I condone it, but we're already seeing attacks on government from people who think we are already there.

  34. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Trump is a bully who's core support comes from disenfranchised xenophobes.

    The only thing you're missing there is the "and he's an evil far-right-extremist..." then you could turn around and be best buddies with the governments of Europe(Germany, Norway, England, etc), who also shout the same garbage at the opposition because they're not listening to the public. And successfully drive more people to the opposition with their insane rhetoric.

    Trump says what an uneducated idiot would say to his buddy in private company. He attacks detractors like a schoolyard bully with a foul mouth, and he is of zero substance.

    In other words, he's saying stuff that people outside the beltway, those outside of the ivory hall of academia say, and what Bob and Doug are saying around the watercooler. And that resonates with people who aren't you, people that you think are "xenophobes" because their values are different, and they have different viewpoints. And instead of wondering why they have different viewpoints, and why what he says is resonating you resort to just another form of bullying.

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  35. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You are as clueless as most. STFU. He is a devout christian which is exactly the leadership we desperately need right now.

  36. Re:No new job? by peragrin · · Score: 1

    The problem is location. When you buy a house you become stuck in that area. You have kids and a partner who works you get stuck in a given area and moving becomes very very difficult. Even being single moving around for work is a pain in the ass. Make everywhere friends, find new things to do, live, supplies. Etc. not impossible but a pain.

    With a family it isn't always possible to go where the jobs are. That is why the economy has taken so long to recover. The jobs are not where the people with skills are.

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  37. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since every Presidential Candidate has lied to them since time immemorial, they might as well pick the lies they like the best.

  38. At least it's in the open now by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

    "Competition is so fierce for developers "that my developers' starting salaries have risen by 50% in the last eight years," said O'Neill, and "senior positions command compensation that meets or exceeds even that of United States Senators.""

    At the pretense that it's the unavailability of skilled workers has been stripped away. It is, and always has been, about the money.

  39. question to Mark O'Neill, the CTO of Jackthreads by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    your web site does well sri lanka? do you vacation there?

  40. Division of wealth... by fergettabatit · · Score: 1

    Disney IS cruel to its employees. I've worked there, I know. I'll just be glad when we can start replacing CEOs, CFOs etc. with H1B visa workers. Just think of how much money we could save on health care if we started replacing CEOs that earn $10,000,000 a year (plus stock options) with someone from, say India, that's willing to do the job for a fraction of that. Maybe then we wouldn't have to pass a law forcing people to buy their product. Sorry, but I have to call b/s on Mr. O'Neill's story too. If there really is a shortage, why FIRE one worker in favor of a cheaper one?

  41. Re:Because... by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

    It's only fair. They're a bunch of Mouseketeers.

  42. Re:eh by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

    it's because you're stupid. it's called flooding the market. it drives prices down, artificially. then when competition is severely weakened, one can increase their prices. when other businesses do it to the u.s. they paid a fine, and continue on doing business. but when humans are involved, it's ok.

  43. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by rmdingler · · Score: 1

    The key is that Bob and Jimbob are whispering these things to each other at the water cooler.

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    Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

    Ernest Hemingway

  44. Re:Why should US senators get paid so much by tlambert · · Score: 1

    The position and opportunity should be the incentive, not the paycheck

    Theoretically, so that they don't compromise their principles in exchange for a payday. It's supposed to make them resistant to being bribed or vote selling.

  45. I like Sanders but, by waspleg · · Score: 1

    I would vote for the American version of Silvio Berlusconi over Hillary - at least he's overt with this bullshit.

  46. Its worse than you think... by TomGreenhaw · · Score: 1

    Not only are IT workers being replaced by foreign workers directly, they are typically part of a strategy to funnel work abroad to lower cost.

    On the surface, this seems reasonable given that free enterprise is more fair than government meddling.

    In fact its just bad public policy. These workers send wealth outside the US. While in theory they pay income tax, they do not pay the full range of social security and many cases state tax. Foreign workers are notorious for cheating on their taxes and claiming exemptions claiming double taxation that are not allowed. By the time the overworked IRS can address the tax cheats they've left the country.

    Often these workers are a front for multinational IT companies that flagrantly disobey US law and basic morality. The leaders of these companies openly state that Americans are stupid. Short sighted US companies outsource their IT needs to these companies who make false promises. After mass layoffs and firings, the bottom lines look great for these short sighted companies for a year or two. The toxic C-level executives leap frog to the next larger opportunity bragging about the great job they did increasing profits for their last company, only to leave a smoking ruin behind them. Moreover instead of taking responsibility for their short term strategy, they further falsely aggrandize themselves by saying how things failed after they left because they are so indispensable. The foreign multinational company simply continues to drain its victim company shielded by a bad long term contract while providing at best mediocre service.

    The guy from Jackthreads argues that IT salaries are unfairly high. Well that may be true in Silicon Valley, New York and other hot spots for very specific skill sets, the overall statistics just don't support that argument. My recommendation to the Jackthreads guy is to relocate his operations away from what is the most expensive places in the United States (856 Broadway, New York) and stop using the most expensive ephemeral technologies available.

    Funneling wealth generated in your country abroad does not promote the welfare of a country's citizens.

    The first sentence of the US Constitution obliges the government to promote the welfare of its people - not multinational corporations.

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    Greed is the root of all evil.
  47. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Trump is crazy, Putin is crazy, Clinton is ... who knows any more.

    Over the last couple of years Putin has demonstrated that he's the most powerful man in the world. Maybe he's on to something. Having a crazy-like-a-fox leader has its benefits. At the very least, it makes the leaders on the other side very nervous because they somply can't predict what you're going to do. Clinton is VERY predictable.

    If you can't have Sanders (and you can be sure the Dems won't allow that) then you're better off with Trump. Screw the H1Bs, don't ratify the TPP and TTIP free trade deals that are the perfect way for corporations to both avoid taxes and push a rush to the bottom wrt workers.

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  48. Re:More to the point by magarity · · Score: 2, Informative

    We do not have Capitalism in the United States of America any longer

    This is a common misconception due to not understanding all the terms involved. Capitalism refers to private ownership of production, which, yes we do still have in the US. What we have less and less of is free and efficient marketplace being replaced by increasingly regulated marketplace.

  49. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

    Devout? He's been married three times! What happened to 'til death do us part"?

    If he's what you consider to be a devout Christian, it's no wonder he's happy morons are voting for him

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  50. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

    Can we really afford to risk further devaluing international relations with a guy who might just say anything?

    We did get through Bush, Jr. twice. Sort of.

    Fortunately for us, the Universe seems to have a sense of humor.

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  51. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

    Trump is a bully who's core support comes from disenfranchised xenophobes.

    The only thing you're missing there is the "and he's an evil far-right-extremist..." then you could turn around and be best buddies with the governments of Europe(Germany, Norway, England, etc), who also shout the same garbage at the opposition because they're not listening to the public. And successfully drive more people to the opposition with their insane rhetoric.

    Trump says what an uneducated idiot would say to his buddy in private company. He attacks detractors like a schoolyard bully with a foul mouth, and he is of zero substance.

    In other words, he's saying stuff that people outside the beltway, those outside of the ivory hall of academia say, and what Bob and Doug are saying around the watercooler. And that resonates with people who aren't you, people that you think are "xenophobes" because their values are different, and they have different viewpoints. And instead of wondering why they have different viewpoints, and why what he says is resonating you resort to just another form of bullying.

    “Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!”
      - George Carlin

    And some percentage of those people are going to resonate very well with Mr. Trump.

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  52. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by NoOneInParticular · · Score: 1

    I think that Trump's agenda is to become President of the US and then take it from there. I don't think his plans are worth the disk they're stored on.

  53. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by sjames · · Score: 2

    Trump IS the corporations/ Or more to the point, represents the class that tell the corporations what to want so they can buy up politicians and give them their orders.

  54. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

    I don't know why more people don't realize this. Trump was a Democrat up until 1999. Now, maybe my tinfoil's on too tight, but I can't help but to wonder if The Donald is more of a Trojan horse intent on handling Clinton the oval office in November.

    At any rate, this season of reality television hit The Candidate has been entertaining so far. I can't wait for the season finale!

  55. Re: No new job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The H1B program is not meant to be a way to lower costs for companies. It's so that companies can import workers *when no local workers exist to do the job, regardless of the cost*

    Exactly. If these H1-B's were so much more qualified, why did they need training by the less-qualified workers?

  56. Re:Because... by HiThere · · Score: 1

    Well, he certainly owns a couple of Senators that I could name. Probably others, but I only really pay attention to the ones I might vote for.

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    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  57. Re:Why should US senators get paid so much by HiThere · · Score: 1

    They're supposed to be paid well so that they aren't easy to bribe. Somehow that plan doesn't seem to have worked out well.

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    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  58. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

    ...or any of his campaign promises. But looking at all politicians' campaign promises, is there really anything to be gained by picking a more deferential liar?

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  59. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

    His supporters have been lied to by the same type of "safe", establishment politicians for decades. What do they gain by voting another Hillary Clinton or Marco Rubio? Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results?

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    There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
  60. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 2

    And do you think Putin the Powerful is any good for his people? With the international sanctions, the crash of the oil price and the tumbling Ruble, the Russian economy is going down the drain while Putin is playing power politics in the Ukraine and Syria, investing what little money he has left in tanks and submarines.

    Once I thought Putin was an intelligent leader, but it is becoming more and more obvious that he is a backwards thinking narcissist and nationalist who is only concerned with his standing in the world.

    You can vote Trump if you so much desire another "strong leader" for the US.

  61. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by GammaKitsune · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The only thing you're missing there is the "and he's an evil far-right-extremist..."

    He just announced that he wants to sue journalists who criticize him. He despises freedom of the press and has no problem with using the law to silence critics, which is a defining hallmark of fascists like Trump.

    And that resonates with people who aren't you, people that you think are "xenophobes" because their values are different.

    I am proud to call myself intolerant of fascist values. Not all "values" are equally valid, and I'm nauseated to see people like you stepping up to defend American fascism as if it's just a "different set of values". Trump is toxic to the values my nation was founded upon, and his supporters are as bad or worse.

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  62. Re: No new job? by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

    If Disney is not reprimanded for this, then our entire legal system and government needs to be torn down and rebuilt because we're so corrupt it cannot be fixed without bloodshed.

    You didn't see a problem with the gov't and legal system when banking companies were selling subprime mortgages to utterly financially unqualified homeowners, and then bundle them into securities called derivatives, lie about their value, and sell them to "suckers" like retirement and pension funds? Meanwhile, getting around Glass-Steagall with the invention of derivatives, to subvert the very regulation that made investments "safe"? I am in 100% agreement with you, but I already knew that Disney was going to get away with it, just like serial rapist.

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  63. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations by amiga3D · · Score: 1, Informative

    He's trolling you dude. Here's a guy talking about Trump being a devout Christian when he's so obviously nothing of the sort that even a blithering idiot knows that's not true. Then there's the Shut The Fuck Up acronym. That's not coming from a real Bible thumper.

  64. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Probably not. But they do know the other lying mother fuckers in the race aren't interested in helping them. The entire establishment that's been fucking them hates Trump so it's kind of an enemy of my enemy thing. If you've noticed, the more the elite in the Republican party band together against The Donald the more support he gathers. Yeah, Donald ain't all that but then they're pretty sure the other guys are going to keep on fucking them just like they have for the past few decades.

  65. Did anybody ask CTO Mark O'Neill about his salary? by darkonc · · Score: 1

    I bet that there are a lot of programmers who would be more than happy to be trained to replace him at half of his salary.

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  66. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by lgw · · Score: 1

    So ... you support a culture of fear, of chilling effects that cause most people to discuss what most people believe in a whisper? Only ideas you agree with should be spoken out loud?

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  67. Re:No new job? by rbrander · · Score: 1

    Bingo. One of the inherent inequalities that is the source of economic inequality between investors and workers, why "R>G".

    Capital can move as easily as an "mv" command on a Unix command line; work can only move with tremendous effort and expense. If the two compete for which gets the larger share of the global economic pie, capital vs labour is like the supersonic air force vs hapless duckfoot soldiers slogging through the mud.

  68. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Bernie is a political hack? I'm a conservative and not really a fan of Bernie's politics but I've always viewed him as one of the very few politicians in Washington with any sort of integrity at all. Frankly I would take him over Hillary any day despite her so called "centrist" policies. The former Senator from Goldman Sachs is hardly going to be a friend to the "people."

  69. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    Clinton is very predictable. She's going to do what her masters pay her to do. That's why despite everything I believe she'll be President. Even if Bernie's plane has to malfunction.

  70. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations by Stan92057 · · Score: 2

    When are you going to learn? stop replying to Anonymous Cowards.

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  71. You have to love Jackthreads sense of entitlement by rbrander · · Score: 1

    A google led to a claim that Jackthreads starting salary is $100K. And that US Senators make $174K.
    That doesn't actually sound crazy. I saw an article the other day about garbage workers in NYC making $100K. Was this some result of horrible unionized public-sector runaway overcompensation? No. It was a private company. You have to work at 4AM in any weather. You have to pick up friggin' garbage. People don't want the job. No kid dreams of it. You have to pay $100K these days...in New York where they have high living expenses.

    When bankers make $100 million a year, they blithely say it's just the cost of doing business, what you gotta pay to find the right guy, and we made ten billion last year, for which I guess he gets all the credit.

    The simple fact that there are many very well run companies (increasingly only in other countries) where the top executives only make a few hundred thousand per year, seems to make no impression on this belief. When Lloyd Blankfein, overseer of then-some-700B in assets for Goldman-Sachs, griped about being forced for one year to make only $10M instead of $100M, his opposite number at the Bank of Canada, with 600B in assets, was Gordon Nixon. Bank of Canada needed no bailouts that year...and Gordon Nixon got a huge bonus for his good stewardship: $10M on top of his regular $1.5M salary. For one year. So if BoC can get good governance for $1.5M a year, why is G/S paying $100M ? Weren't they supposed to be financial geniuses?

    I hate the "People vs the Robber Barons" narrative of economic policy; you'd think we could get past 19th-century Labour Movement view of the economy. But guys like Mr. Jackthreads make it hard to break the habit. I'm sure he thinks it's just inherent and "natural" that guys like himself walk away with millions because their ineffable wisdom. It's also completely "unnatural" that anybody else make over $100K per year. When this "unnatural" situation occurs, due to the completely natural process of supply and demand, the "unnaturalness" must be countered by going outside the market to bring in an unbalancing force.

    It's impossible not to be reminded of the age of Kings and Princes when one could listen to lectures delivered with a straight face about the Natural Order of Things being the leadership of Natural Leaders designated by divine right over the inherently lowborn people who should know their place.

  72. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Britz · · Score: 1

    > At least with trump, we know what his agenda is.

    I thought the opposite was true. I thought Trump is always lying and is not ashamed of lying. So we have no idea what he wants. Could be anything. The only thing he is honest about is that politicians are lying, himself included.

    Some still doubt he is even serious about running for president. He could be lying about that, too. I always thought he is bidding for building a barrier between Mexico and the US. That is a huge contract.

  73. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Britz · · Score: 1

    > what Bob and Doug are saying

    You shouldn't accuse Bob and Doug of racism. Most people aren't that racist anymore. Maybe some parts of the Republican party still are, which makes Trump so successful, but that is about it, I think.

  74. The New 1% Economy (Re:math) by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    If you have the right skill at the right time, you can indeed demand a lot of pay. However, a lot of that is luck, and you can't just teach yourself the "in" skill or tool because companies want paid experience in it. It's the old catch-22 that you can't get experience until you've had experience.

    MANY things in the new economy are like that: if you are at the top, you seem to get even toppier (at least for a while), while the rest get outsourced, replaced by machines, or stagnate.

  75. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Britz · · Score: 1

    > Having a crazy-like-a-fox leader has its benefits.

    For whom? Winning something abroad (like a war) benefits who, exactly? The veterans? Putin plays the nationalistic card. Nationalism has become somewhat of a religion, I suppose.

    > At the very least, it makes the leaders on the other side very nervous because they somply can't predict what you're going to do. Clinton is VERY predictable.

    Predictability is good. Countries want to know where they and everyone else stands. Political stability has more benefits than political instability.

    > Screw the H1Bs, don't ratify the TPP and TTIP free trade deals that are the perfect way for corporations to both avoid taxes and push a rush to the bottom wrt workers.

    Trump is a billionaire who benefits from things like TPP, TTIP, free trade deals and H1Bs, why would he fight those? He says he is in it for his own interest, doesn't he?

  76. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Trump is playing a simple role, just like you said, he's playing into what people said they wanted. But the people who want his ideology in power are driven by a crippling fear for the future. Rest assured, no good will come from a leader who plays on fear, rather than quells it.

    Not really. They are mostly driven by the experience of being shafted by the politicians who have lied to them for the most of their lives. It's pay-back for what the Republican party has done to their dwindling supporters. It's the hens of dishonest politics, the political consultant class, and the media pundits coming home to roost.

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  77. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Jack9 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I think you've got it backwards...vis a vis Hillary or Trump.

    She despises freedom of the press and has no problem with using a bullet to silence critics, which is a defining hallmark of fascists like Hillary.

    I am proud to call myself intolerant of fascist values. Not all "values" are equally valid, and I'm nauseated to see people like you stepping up to defend American fascism as if it's just a "different set of values". Hillary is toxic to the values my nation was founded upon, and her supporters are as bad or worse.

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  78. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

    Jesis fucking Christ, Trump doesn't need to sell out to big money, he *is* big money.

    Which gives rise to another not inconsequential benefit of seeing him elected as president - he will owe no one a cushy prestigious position in his administration. Instead, he will put leaders in place the same way he does in his businesses: solely based on merit. Best qualified to do the job instead of political operatives and fundraising "bundlers".

    Having the chance to place actually competent people in charge of the Federal administrations and agencies should be something everyone supports. And something that has been sorely lacking for quite some time.

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  79. Then why pay the H1 far less money? by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

    If he wants the highest skilled workers then why do they pay the h1s less wages? He saying they are more skilled.This is all about profit margins. I have no dought what so ever that the Our US government pays part of that H1s wages and healthcare.We don't see the prices slowing or going down for Disney products so where are the saving going? The same place the money they once spend on workers healthcare in their pockets.

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  80. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

    Probably not. But they do know the other lying mother fuckers in the race aren't interested in helping them. The entire establishment that's been fucking them hates Trump so it's kind of an enemy of my enemy thing. If you've noticed, the more the elite in the Republican party band together against The Donald the more support he gathers. Yeah, Donald ain't all that but then they're pretty sure the other guys are going to keep on fucking them just like they have for the past few decades.

    Perfectly stated. Mod parent up!

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  81. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    And do you think Putin the Powerful is any good for his people?

    That has as much to do with my original point as asking if I think any other ruler is any good for their people. He is, as I said, the most powerful ruler in the world, able to the the US and NATO to back down over Syria's Bashar al Assad, and invade and annex part of the Ukraine, all the while having an economy that is shot.

    only concerned with his standing in the world.

    ... as opposed to so many others whose main, or even sole, consideration is their standing in line getting money from lobbyists.

    You can vote Trump if you so much desire another "strong leader" for the US

    No I can't vote for Trump - I live in a saner country where anyone trying the crap that the republican candidates, or Hillary, would be given the boot. It would be Sanders or the Greenies.

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  82. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    I saw that movie. Canada and the US merge, a Canadian is elected, plane sabotaged, US vice-president becomes president.

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  83. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    I understand the utter lack of candidates on both sides we can get proudly behind

    We can proudly get behind Sanders, you know.

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  84. More people vote on God, guns, gays than this by Beeftopia · · Score: 1

    More people vote on God, guns and gays than outsourcing. And as long as big companies pay politicians to help them get re-elected, this - and many other issues like it - fall by the wayside.

    That's why they allow it.

    "No one will really understand politics until they understand that politicians are not trying to solve our problems. They are trying to solve their own problems -- of which getting elected and re-elected are No. 1 and No. 2. Whatever is No. 3 is far behind". -- Thomas Sowell

  85. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    He's already said that he doesn't want H1Bs, or TPP, or TIPP. Maybe he realizes that the better off Americans are, the more money they'll spend at his casinos, golf courses, and hotels? I comparison, shipping jobs overseas doesn't put as much money in his pocket. It also negatively impacts the value of his personal holdings ...

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  86. Want to enlighten Congress? Replace them. by geekmux · · Score: 1

    "senior positions command compensation that meets or exceeds even that of United States Senators."

    Wow, I didn't realize we had such an issue with payroll in Congress.

    Perhaps the easiest way for our elected representatives to see this problem is to fucking replace them with H-1B workers as well.

    See how they feel when others elect to feed the bottom line as the priority while listening to bullshit excuses as to how it's anything but.

    1. Re:Want to enlighten Congress? Replace them. by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Wow, I didn't realize we had such an issue with payroll in Congress.

      Nothing riles up a senator than knowing that their most powerful political job pays significantly less than the most powerful corporate job. The sacrifices that an elected official has to make.

    2. Re:Want to enlighten Congress? Replace them. by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Nothing riles up a senator than knowing that their most powerful political job pays significantly less than the most powerful corporate job.

      Really? How many Senators have you met? Anyone who has the skills of a senior public official cold easily walk into a corporate gig without blinking. If it bothered them that much they wouldn't stick around.
      In fact I recall one discussing this topic and saying salaries of public office need to modest to ensure regular people have a chance at being elected (too high salaries would simply attract the elites and therefore become undemocratic)

  87. What a whiner by K.+S.+Van+Horn · · Score: 1

    "He was overcome with emotion for parts of it, pausing to gather himself as he told the story of how he was replaced by a foreign visa holder."

    A job is not an entitlement; it's an economic transaction. Just as you have every right to seek out the best deal you can find when you purchase a home, or a car, or the services of a plumber, tax preparer, or attorney, employers also have every right to seek out the best deal they can find when they purchase services from individuals.

    Essentially, this guy is whining about how someone else out-competed him in the marketplace by offering a better deal.

    1. Re:What a whiner by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      [...] employers also have every right to seek out the best deal they can find when they purchase services from individuals.

      I used to work at a contracting agency that provided help desk services to Fortune 500 companies. Our team took over the contract from the previous contracting agency that got caught filing bogus tickets to generate more revenue. We had 90 days to reduce the 900+ open ticket backlog, and got it done in 30 days. After the Great Recession hit a year later, the corporation demanded in contract negotiations that the contract agency doubled the performance for half the cost. So we had laid offs and users became unhappy. The corporation has gone through several more contracting agencies since then, demanding double the performance for half the cost and never satisfied with the results. When employers bring in H1-B workers for double the performance at half the cost, they're never satisfied with the results.

    2. Re:What a whiner by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Well then I guess our way of life goes to hell.... tell any remaining world war II vets, "sorry, your time was wasted and your friends died for nothing". See how they like it.

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  88. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

    I don't know why more people don't realize this. Trump was a Democrat up until 1999. Now, maybe my tinfoil's on too tight, but I can't help but to wonder if The Donald is more of a Trojan horse intent on handling Clinton the oval office in November.

    Plenty of people - usually the kind that follow politics fairly closely - also wonder the same thing. Maybe there's something to it.

    But, frankly, I think even Trump was taken aback by the success he has had. No one really expected it, even Trump. You can kind of see it in the way his attitude seems to have changed once it started to look like he may actually pull off the nomination. So, that kind of makes any sort of plan to be an ineluctable Republican nominee to help Hillary gain the White House not really seem like a credible theory.

    Another problem with the theory, as is is becoming clear right now, is that unless Trump does something to really turn off a majority of his current support (and consider that nothing he has said so far has done anything like that), he is likely to win in a contest with Hillary. And that's because, like all recent elections, this one will be close enough to come down to turn-out on election day. And Hillary is simply not going to be able to generate that turnout. Sure, all the Democrats that vote every election will come out, hold their nose and vote for Hillary. But she simply doesn't excite people. And she is hated enough that plenty of Democrat voters will simply stay home. In contrast, Trump is bringing out plenty of NEW and occasional voters. Every Republican primary and caucus has generated a much higher than usual turnout. And Trump is winning.

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  89. How can you allow this? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    How can you allow this? Mr. Perrero asked the Senate committee members.

    And the senators replied, "Well... How much money have you donated to our campaigns Mr. Perrero and how much has Disney?"

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  90. Re:Why should US senators get paid so much by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

    The position and opportunity IS the incentive. $174K is peanuts to those guys, and they spend FAR more than that campaigning.

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  91. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by uncqual · · Score: 1

    No, Bloomberg is big money (worth 8x as much as Trump; self-made instead of standing on grandpa's and daddy's shoulders; probably given away more money that Trump has; pilots his own helicopter, not just owns them; can speak coherently about issues rather than just retreating to "I'm smart"; has some political executive experience from being mayor of the nation's largest city for 12 years).

    Trump had better hope that Bloomberg doesn't enter the race (I don't think he will unless it looks like Sanders has a good chance at the Democrat nomination and that is looking unlikely).

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  92. Re:This is mostly the same congress by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    There's a little more we need than willpower.. we need organization. If only there were organizations where employees could gather and fight for a common right. I remember in the distant past those were called 'unions'. Hasn't private industry used government effectively to neuter those! And yes I know all unions weren't perfect, but at least some were and by and large those are gone now.

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  93. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by suutar · · Score: 1

    the problem is that they feel disenfranchised. Things are changing in ways they don't like and they don't feel like their opinions are getting considered fairly.

    Whether the feelings are accurate is not really important; they do feel that way and they're going to act on that basis.

  94. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by suutar · · Score: 1

    well, solely based on his assessment of whether they'll advance his goals - not quite the same thing.

  95. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

    well, solely based on his assessment of whether they'll advance his goals - not quite the same thing.

    His stated goal - "Make America Great Again" - that is, to advance the cause of improving the country itself - I'd say it is the same thing.

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  96. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

    God forbid we have a commoner in there.

    Commoners actually work and are productive. Sanders is no commoner. He's a leach.

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  97. To high a compensation ? by Coeurderoy · · Score: 1

    Well why would a gifted senior software developer do less than a US Senator ?
    Of course I guess mr O'Neill is try to buy a couple of senators in order to correctly assess the relative value...

  98. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

    You're an idiot.

    Terrific analysis! Kudos to you for such an original come-back. I'm humbled.

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  99. $100K-$150K min wage (with COL adjustments) + bene by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    $100K-$150K min wage (with COL adjustments) + benefits with do a lot to fix even more so for the outscoring places may end billing the end client $125-200K for the same worker.

  100. Who does Disney donate to? by dfenstrate · · Score: 1

    Where do they think their bread is buttered? Let's find out.
    Spoiler: Not Trump.

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  101. Natural Consequence of This Economy by Ferretman · · Score: 1

    Wanna fix it?

    Get rid of a bunch of regulations, cut taxes on corporations, and make it a positive for a company to hire in the US rather than a burden to do so.

    Works every time it's tried, as long as the economy isn't too badly damaged to recover. I reckon we're right on the raggedy edge myself.

    Ferret

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  102. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    Name a candidate in recent times who didn't play the fear card. You can't.

  103. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    Not trolling. It's called sarcasm and dry wit.

  104. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    and yet, like those 'disenfranchised xenophobes' you speak of, you can't seem to argue without calling people names.

  105. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    Can we really afford to risk further devaluing international relations with a guy who might just say anything?

    Who cares? Leaders can't let the possibility of offending the spineless get in the way of making decisions, especially when those passive aggressives would love the opportunity to impose their own agenda on the US.

  106. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    You sure do know how to spin.

  107. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    So it's ok to stereotype southern, rural whites but not northern, urban blacks?

  108. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Rhywden · · Score: 1

    Oh, geeze, can you get any more pathetic with a response like that? That kind of response might have worked in kindergarten.

  109. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by nbauman · · Score: 1

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02...

    Donald Trump to Foreign Workers for Florida Club: You're Hired
    By CHARLES V. BAGLI and MEGAN TWOHEY
    New York Times
    FEB. 25, 2016

    Donald J. Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., describes itself as "one of the most highly regarded private clubs in the world," and it is not just the very-well-to-do who want to get in.

    Since 2010, nearly 300 United States residents have applied or been referred for jobs as waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers there. But according to federal records, only 17 have been hired.

    In all but a handful of cases, Mar-a-Lago sought to fill the jobs with hundreds of foreign guest workers from Romania and other countries.

    In his quest for the Republican presidential nomination, Mr. Trump has stoked his crowds by promising to bring back jobs that have been snatched by illegal immigrants or outsourced by corporations, and voters worried about immigration have been his strongest backers.

    But he has also pursued more than 500 visas for foreign workers at Mar-a-Lago since 2010, according to the United States Department of Labor, while hundreds of domestic applicants failed to get the same jobs....

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new...
    Marco Rubio brings up Donald Trump's Polish history, noting undocumented Polish immigrants helped build signature Trump Tower
    BY Ginger Adams Otis, Denis Slattery
    NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
    February 26, 2016

    Now he wants a wall -- but 30 years ago, Donald Trump didnâ(TM)t worry about having illegal immigrants build his signature tower on Fifth Ave.

    Confronted about his checkered past by GOP presidential rival Marco Rubio, Trump dismissed it as ancient history.

    "He brings up something from 30 years ago," Trump whined. "It worked out very well. Everybody was happy." ...

  110. Re:Investigations? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    At least all the page rapists, except Barney Frank, got kicked out of congress.

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  111. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Jack9 · · Score: 1

    You have a religious belief in the absurd. Nothing I say will change that. GL

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  112. It really all comes down to this.. by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    What do we want our country to be like? Do we bow down to our corporate overloads and let them do anything they want or do we stand up and have some pride for ourselves, and stand up for our families well being? Wasn't America about fighting for our way of life? We used to be fighting other nations, now we're fighting the way corporations want to operate. It's still fighting for our way of life.

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  113. Congress has allowed this for decades by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    Tech companies, like Microsoft, have replaced *far* more US workers than Disney ever dreamed of replacing.

    Glad the issue is getting some attention. Bizarre that this, very minor, incident at Disney is being singled out, as if this is the first time it ever happened.

  114. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by currently_awake · · Score: 1

    Trump was able to fail in business over and over again because his friends supported him. It is reasonable to believe he'll pay back that debt while in office.

  115. Obama did pretty damn good by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Given the House/Senate he had to work with (which was mostly due to Gerrymandering). He calmed Iran down when half our Senators were clamoring for war. He expanded medicare to millions (I've got a buddy with Type 1 Diabetes who owes his life to this) and he snuck a guy into the FCC who allowed net neutrality and open cable boxes.

    There's a lot more good stuff he's done. Hilary I'm not so hot on. But I'll take her over Rubio any damn day of the week. She's might be indifferent to me, but Rubio's actively out to get me...

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  116. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by jandjmh · · Score: 1

    Trump doesn't say what he thinks - he says what a very particular audience he is playing to wants to hear. If he said what he is probably thinking, he'd tell the crowd they are gullible fools.

  117. Just out of curiousity what IS Trumps agenda? by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Seriously. Besides Bernie he's the only candidate on Record who supports Universal Healthcare. He's pro tarrif and anti immigration, but vehemently pro corporate. and pro free trade. I can't tell what the heck he'd do if he was prez.

    Hilary is just status quo with some more H1-Bs and we might get a few liberal SCOTUS folks when Tom & Ruth kick the bucket. Now Rubio, that somabictch scares the hell out of me. He's the one candidate I can honestly say wants to grind me bones and make soup. A Rubio presidency would be a nightmare...

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  118. I can't believe I am saying this... by Dahamma · · Score: 1

    but I actually agree with Ted Cruz on something.

    http://www.computerworld.com/a...

    His H1B reform bill wants to set a minimum salary on H1B's to make sure it's used to fill vacancies and not cut costs, as well as outlawing "disparagement clauses" in severance agreements that prevent employees from saying anything bad about their ex-employer.

    I am pro H1B in general, and the majority of companies in the Bay Area are not using it to replace US workers (there are hundreds of thousands of openings companies are trying to fill, and the starting salaries of many of those are easily in the 6 figures). But clearly there are some companies in the US that abuse the program and there are things that can be done to fix that without throwing it out altogether.

  119. Re:Why should US senators get paid so much by Dahamma · · Score: 1

    That may have been true in the distant past, but the median net worth of a US senator is now $2.9M.

    Ironically the "poorest" member of Congress may be Rep. Alcee Hastings, who is millions of dollars in debt to law firms from fighting a bribery charge back when he was a Federal judge (also amazing is that he was impeached and removed of his judgeship by Congress, than later elected to it!)

  120. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

    Not really. They are mostly driven by the experience of being shafted by the politicians who have lied to them for the most of their lives.

    Indeed. Trump gives the impression of being more honest, by being apparently straight talking and saying things that enough people feel are true, but are "politically incorrect", combined with his outright rudness. It feels and sounds like honesty, but it's a carefully cultivated act. He's just as dishonest as the rest of them but gives the impression of not being.

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  121. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by suutar · · Score: 1

    You assume his stated goal is (and will remain) his real goal. Perhaps it is, perhaps not.

  122. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

    I don't really know anything about Sanders at all. It's not like I'll vote in this election and anyway, Trump occupies all the election news over here. It seems likely that Hilary will win, so I've not paid much attention beyond that.

    Then he had a child out of wedlock.

    So?

    Desperate, he tried carpentry but could barely sink a nail. âoeHe was a shitty carpenter,â a friend told Politico Magazine. âoeHis carpentry was not going to support him, and didnâ(TM)t.â

    So, he tried a job, wasn't good at it and moved on. I don't get the problem. Not everyone has to be good at everything.

    Then he tried his hand freelancing for leftist rags, writing about âoemasturbation and rapeâ and other crudities for $50 a story. He drove around in a rusted-out, Bondo-covered VW bug with no working windshield wipers. Friends said he was âoealways poorâ and his âoeelectricity was turned off a lot.â

    So he had a low paying job and was frugal. Seems OK to me.

    They described him as a slob who kept a messy apartment â" and this is what his friends had to say about him.

    Given that my friends would have said much the same about me, it would be a bit hypocritical of me to judge him on that. I have slobby tendencies. My accomodations have frequently been messy. I generally do better now, but a clean flat isn't the be-all and end-all of life. I'm a much better engineer than I am a cleaner.

    In his 1971 bid for U.S. Senate, the local press said the 30-year-old âoeSanders describes himself as a carpenter who has worked with âdisturbed children.â(TM) â In other words, a real winner.

    What's wrong with that?

    He finally wormed his way into the Senate in 2006, where he still ranks as one of the poorest members of Congress. Save for a municipal pension, Sanders lists no assets in his name. All the assets provided in his financial disclosure form are his second wifeâ(TM)s. He does, however, have as much as $65,000 in credit-card debt.

    So you don't have to be a multi-millionaire to be a senator? I'm actually rather heartened to hear that. It's good it's not just a rich man's game.

      Sure, Sanders may not be a hypocrite, but this is nothing to brag about. His worthless background contrasts sharply with the successful careers of other âoeoutsidersâ in the race for the White House, including a billionaire developer, a world-renowned neurosurgeon and a Fortune 500 CEO.

    Money and material wealth are not the only things of worth in this life.

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  123. Re:More to the point by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    An unregulated market does not imply an efficient market, despite your attempts at equating them.

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  124. Re:eh by buddyglass · · Score: 1

    "Then the problem becomes that the US companies hires one H1B foreign coordinator who then coordinates with many other foreign subbordinates."

    That's a different problem though. That's off-shoring. I was trying to solve the problem of "so-and-so was replaced by a H1B worker". For various reasons, companies would much rather have a H1B "on site" than work with some remote guy in Hyderabad unless the word is extremely rote.

    An alternate approach (which would also boost wages at the low end) would be to subsidize domestic labor. Offer employers a tax credit for each person-year-equivalent that they employ a U.S. citizen. Basically pay them (in the form of a discount on their taxes) to hire domestic. Boost the employer portion of the payroll tax in order to remain revenue neutral.

  125. Re:There is no shortage anywhere. by buddyglass · · Score: 1

    People always bitch about H1Bs, ageism and offshoring, but I'm not sure I've *ever* been affected by any of them. And I'm not exactly a spring chicken anymore.

  126. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

    Excellent point! I was forwarded this information in a email from long-time friend. I had to dig to find the source, which was apparently an editorial from Investor Business Daily - Here is the link. There is no by-line.

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  127. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

    Trump was able to fail in business over and over again because his friends supported him. It is reasonable to believe he'll pay back that debt while in office.

    That's actually not right. He had businesses that failed, and bankruptcy law saved his personal wealth. AFAIK he never got personal loans or special treatment from "friends". I can't tell where he owes anyone. People that work for him are very happy with having him as a boss. That includes his kids, who are all well-spoken, clearly well-adjusted, very well educated, and have productive careers. That says a lot.

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  128. What "IT Worker" means by TheSync · · Score: 1

    According to his LinkedIn account, Leo Perrero was an "Application Developer Specialist" at Walt Disney Parks and Resorts, with his previous job being "Intel Systems Administrator" at IBM Global Services.

    Based on his positions and skill recommendations, it looks like he was a SysAdmin mainly, and perhaps did some scripts that got him the "Application Developer Specialist" title.

    I appreciate good SysAdmins, but most don't really need a college degree, and actually one of the best SysAdmins I ever met was a high school dropout.

    In the upcoming virtualized, cloud world, SysAdmins could be based anywhere, and DevOps is going to reduce the number of admins per server.

    1. Re:What "IT Worker" means by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      In the upcoming virtualized, cloud world, SysAdmins could be based anywhere, and DevOps is going to reduce the number of admins per server.

      What do you mean upcoming? This is already reality.
      We used to have an admin per 50-100 servers, now 1 can do 1000+. But the nature of apps these days is we now need tons of devs, so we have far more bums on seats than the old days.

  129. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

    At least with trump, we know what his agenda is.

    Eh? Trump doesn't even know what his agenda is, he just spouts the first crap that comes out of his mouth without thinking, he's utterly ignorant and doesn't have much in the way of policies, some of what he's come out with is completely absurd and unworkable. Trump would f**k America up if he got his way.

    Both are willing to take up the fights they believe in,

    You're trippin, Trump only believes in becoming more rich and powerful, he doesn't give a rats arse about most of what he talks about.

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  130. Re: No new job? by GammaKitsune · · Score: 1

    If Disney is not reprimanded for this, then our entire legal system and government needs to be torn down and rebuilt because we're so corrupt it cannot be fixed without bloodshed.

    Absolutely disagree. What we need to do is get money out of politics, and there are multiple ways of going about that before we have to resort to bloodshed. Check out wolf-pac.com, rootstrikers.org, or movetoamend.org. Give those guys your time, your money or both, and save the bloodshed for a situation where we have no other choice. As it stands, we will do more harm then good if we turn to violence. We can still solve the problems plaguing our nation through peaceful means, and it's up to all of us to lend a hand.

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  131. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    You shouldn't accuse Bob and Doug of racism. Most people aren't that racist anymore. Maybe some parts of the Republican party still are, which makes Trump so successful, but that is about it, I think.

    Here's a useful question to ask yourself if that's true. If "parts of the republican party still are" then why is it, that democrats and the democrat party are the first ones to spout garbage like the wage-gap that doesn't exist, but call it sexist. When people try to criticize someone's policy, they're labeled racists(which has happened a lot since Obama i.e. you don't like xyz thing because Obama is black) and so on. You want to know why Trump is so successful? Because he doesn't care about political correctness, and that resonates with a large segment of the american public.

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  132. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by fropenn · · Score: 1

    So the "worth" of a life is determined by financial success? Integrity counts for much more in my book.

  133. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by KenHansen · · Score: 1

    It seems likely that Hilary will win, so I've not paid much attention beyond that.

    The on-going criminal investigation into her handling of state secrets/classified material while at the same time running for office isn't a concern? It won't impact her chances of winning? Wow. Democrats demand that Republicans resign if merely 'accused' of a crime (hold ourselves to a higher standard is the explaination), yet after 1,818 examples of classified (confidential, secret or top secret) material were found in her 55,000 pages of emails (submitted to the State Department printed on paper to delay the review process!) Hillary remains the presumptive nominee because, well 'Don't you, at some point, want a woman President?'

  134. Percentages by phorm · · Score: 1

    Let us also not forget that percentages lie quite handily. Let's say you got a 5% raise every year for a decade.
    Well, if you were making $150k/year, you'd be up to about $240k/year. Overall you've gone up nearly 100 grand per year. That's not too bad, and while you're not up with overall "inflation" one should keep in mind that a lot of those prices are loaded at the bottom end for things like groceries and gas, stuff that at $150k you're probably not going too bad for.

    Now if you're making only $30k/year. Congratulations, after slugging it out you've not made it up to near 49k/year. You've got up about $19,000. Except at $49k, the cost of those student loans, groceries, mortgages and car payments still hurt *a lot*

    Now the median US income is about $52,000. That's per household though, so you and your spouse would have had to nail those 5% raises each and every year to get from there to $81,500... an increase of $31,000. It's not bad, but you'd still better hope those loans were paid off early and you don't need a new car.

    Realistically though, you didn't get those raises. The median household income 10 years ago was $46,000. Now it's about $52,000 so all those happy people got the rough equivalent of a yearly 1.1% raise over the last decade.

    The good news is that if you saved up to buy a house now... *that* is possibly a bit cheaper than in 2006.

    Of course if you bought 10 years ago, that was at the top of the bubble and you've lost value while paying a nice mortgage rate of 6.4% (4.45% after a 5yr renewal). That means on a $200k mortgage you would have paid nearly $100k in just interest alone already. Ouch

  135. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    The on-going criminal investigation into her handling of state secrets/classified material while at the same time running for office isn't a concern?

    Who said it's not a concern? I think it's likely she'll win the Deomcrat nomination, and given the awfulness of the Republican candidates, she'll probably sway the moderates. But then again everyone said the same as George W Bush, so...

    It won't impact her chances of winning? Wow.

    Probably will, but it's still chances. The Republicans fielding an even worse group of candidates than last time improves her chances. I still think she's odds on to win.

    Democrats demand that Republicans resign if...

    Yeah yeah, and the republicans impeached Bill Clinton over a blowjob, and Bush started a war on no evidence but nothing happened etc etc etc. If you want to find malfeascence on both sides you won't have to look very far.

    I *still* think Hilary is going to win, and none of your "oh woe is us the Dems are worse really!" posturing actually has any bearing on my arguments or reasoning.

    Hillary remains the presumptive nominee because, well 'Don't you, at some point, want a woman President?'

    It would be something of a shame if the first female president would be Hilary, but there you go. That's what happens when the most electable out of a bunch of awful people happens to be female.

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  136. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 2

    Not really. They are mostly driven by the experience of being shafted by the politicians who have lied to them for the most of their lives.

    And maybe Republican voters are sick of the stupid pro-religious, anti-abortion, anti-gay message that somehow hijacked the conservative agenda. Conservatism means not getting tied up with religion, and not interfering in peoples medical or sexual lives. Trump seems to steer well clear of all of these distractions and is focussing on the real threats, globalisation and immigration.

  137. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

    And yet, he's still better than Clinton, who will never stand up to an ideological fight because theres a chance she might not win.

    I know there's a lot of Clinton haters out there, but I'm telling you now she is going to win.
    Why? Because she's the least crazy. And if you're already popular, the least crazy one tends to have the most appeal once it's down to just two candidates.

  138. Lost generation by michaelmalak · · Score: 1

    Yes, percentages mask two big factors: generational bias and the basket of goods. With the number of good-paying jobs shrinking due to globalization and automation, the few remaining jobs are going to Boomers and GenX'ers who have experience, shutting out GenY/Millennials and GenZ. At the same time, the basket of goods those younger generations are facing is skewed due to college tuition outpacing average inflation.

    Thus the younger generations are facing the double whammy of fewer jobs and a basket more expensive than average. This has led to the term https://www.reddit.com/r/lostgeneration/.

  139. Anthem by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    I just stood up for the US national anthem... and this thread made me wonder why I'm bothering to put in the effort.

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  140. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by lgw · · Score: 1

    don't think that's what GP meant. More like, "I know I ain't 'sposed to say Mexicans are rapists, but dangit they are! Trump's right about them, and bout the Chinas, Blacks, and Jews, too! Thas why I'm talkin to ya real low and confidential like, Jimbob."

    You, you're completely agreeing with my post then? And you're using crude offensive stereotypes to do so? Crude offensive stereotypes you agree with are fine, but those you disagree with should be whispered.

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  141. H1B visas are not warranted by iMactheKnife · · Score: 1

    It would be so easy for big software-based companies like Google and Disney to put the funds they pay for lobbyists and politics into continuous training for their developers and to set up intern programs. What they actually want is no-risk freeze-dried instant developers such as those turned out by many schools in India, rather than the broadly based theory-up grads of the US schools. Employers have few compunctions about warehousing those one-trick hires after their skills are obsolete, or subtly brokering them off to another company.

    People who can solve problems they have never seen before are not a dime a dozen and will command high salaries wherever they come from.

  142. We don't have elections, we have selections. by fla5hfire · · Score: 1

    First, Trump is a Trojan horse candidate, his sole purpose is to divide the conservative vote, to ensure a Clinton presidency. Those who think Hillary will be indicted are sure to be disappointed, as Loretta Lynch will make NO EFFORT to bring charges against her. The only reason there's only two democratic candidates is because the others have been chased off by the Democrats National Committee, leave only one candidate to oppose Clinton, and he has no chance of winning the nomination. There is enough people against Trump that will cause some Republicans to stay home, while Democratics who don't support Clinton but are opposed to Trump will come out for Hillary. The only hope is people who are opposed to both Clinton and Trump should vote libertarian.

  143. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    Especially when the stock market gets to play by it's own rules.

  144. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    Trump's had some shady dealings in acquiring his billions, Ted Cruz actually has worked as a lawyer. I can't see where Rubio ever did much of anything and Jeb! made most of his money off his daddy's friends. Ben Carson was certainly an amazing surgeon and saved many lives but somehow I feel that he needs to go back to teaching surgery. Most of these guys though have spent their lives sucking on the public tit. Hillary, well her corruption has been covered so many times I see no need repeating it here. Certainly they're all far more ambitious than Bernie I will have to admit. Not sure that's all that good of a thing. I find it so difficult to get excited about any of them.

  145. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    No, he has a point. Even a mass murderer can have integrity. Integrity is important but not everything. It would be nice if more Congressmen had it though.

  146. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    Devout? He's been married three times! What happened to 'til death do us part"?

    Two solutions occur. Either Trump has had his ex-wives killed and replaced by doppelgangers. No great technical problems - or moral ones if you look at it from a Christian perspective. Just as long as you make sure that the target is from some marginally mis-aligned heretic evil barbarian sect. Ref Henry VIII - he got away with it 4 times.

    Or, Trump checked out his wives for being brain-dead gold-digging bimbos before marrying them. Dead before marriage, no problem, marriage is null and void. Again, see Henry VIII for precedent.

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  147. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

    Bravo! You defined Trump for what he is. A shallow opportunist who really cannot relate to the man who works at a job and needs his wife's salary to make ends meet.

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  148. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

    Yes!

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  149. Re: President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    I think President Obama's god is President Obama.

  150. CTO saying IT Staff make more than Congress Reps? by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

    FTA:

    Competition is so fierce for developers "that my developers' starting salaries have risen by 50% in the last eight years," said O'Neill [CTO of Jackthreads, an online retailer], and "senior positions command compensation that meets or exceeds even that of United States Senators." (That compensation is now at $174,000/year.)

    So what is your salary, including bonuses and deferred compensation, Mr. O'Neill? WTF do you do that is so valuable?

    *crickets*

    H-1Bs were not created to serve this "but smart people are expensive!" purpose. He said it out loud that his company is abusing the H-1B Visa process. He also invited criticism of his own compensation, as well as every other C-level's compensation.

    Someone needs to do some digging.

  151. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

    All well said, except for one thing: Trump has ZERO public-service record. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HE WOULD ACTUALLY DO IF ELECTED PRESIDENT.

    Bernie walks the walk, and has for 45+ years. He does not wear it on his sleeve, but has simply fought for what he thinks is right, and for a VERY LONG period of public service.

    This is the critical difference. Trump's actual decisions are utterly unpredictable. Well, aside from starting WW-III within a month...

  152. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

    Do not respond to this post.

    DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.

  153. Re: No new job? by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

    "The Tree of Liberty must occasionally be watered with the blood of Patriots." --- T. Jefferson

  154. Caste system is quite simple to understand by NewYork · · Score: 1

    If you meet anybody from India ask him, What Is Your Caste? You're doomed, if he answers it;

    Caste system is quite simple to understand; If you're not from my caste, you're non-human to me; I can abuse/exploit/rape/kill you; Caste is present where ever Brahmin is there; We have petitioned US/UK to Expel Brahmin;

    http://wh.gov/iyhMK

  155. Quite simple by NewYork · · Score: 1

    1. Legalize insider trading
    2. Regulate market capitalization

  156. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    The only Trump supporters I know are middle class whites who grew up in small towns, never traveled far from home, and think that Trump will keep Jesus in their house and the colored out of their towns.

    That's funny, the only Clinton and Sanders supporters that I know are rich or upper-class people who grew up in large towns, and only ever interacted with other people in their economic niche. All the while turning around and looking down upon the plebs and how disgusting they are.

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  157. Most CEOs aren't worth even that... by PortHaven · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Today, most CEOs take actions to get immediate profits while hurting the company long term. They bail out of the plane after they alight it on fire, and enjoy their golden parachutes. They then move onto another firm and repeat the process.

  158. Except by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    You only have to pay $60K for that position. So it's easy to say, hey, we didn't find a network security agent with 15 years of experience and a master's degree for our offered $60K. So we have to bring someone over from India. Because there are no qualified American's [willing to work for peanuts].

  159. Way to fix the H1B Visa system. by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    1) H1B Visa is not tied to a specific company
    2) H1B Visa salary has to be the equivalent of the current average for said position of U.S. citizen workers. (In otherwords, the average pay cannot take into account other H1B visa workers)
    3) H1B Visa includes a $10K tax per $100K income bracket, this goes to fund free tuition at 2 year colleges so we can have more trained resources.

  160. Re:We had hire taxes and companies hired Americans by russotto · · Score: 1

    Just stating that I am not for higher taxes, doubt many of you are either, however look at the historical reality

    Starting a speech with a blatant lie... that's a good start for a career in politics.

    Name one thing that has ever been privatized that 5, 6 or even 10 years later, Americans were better off for the privitization? I can not think of a single example.

    Long distance service.

  161. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    It wasn't bad for the economy when oil prices were high, so the two are unrelated.

    Latest reports also say he's building up a permanent military presence in Syria, as well as along the Turkish border. That changes the strategic balance of power - a lot!. NATO won't defend Turkey.

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  162. Maybe you need to get over your Crab Mentality by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    So stop the bitching about work because done guy with a desk job was replaced. I'd like to see him turn wrenches for 70-80 hours a week on night shift with me. I'm 30 years old and my body aches non-stop. Fuck that guys desk job.

    And somewhere there's an actual slave who would tell you to STFU because at least you're getting paid. Bosses just looove crabs like yourself.

  163. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    Something about my post hurts your feelings? Need to run to your safe space?

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  164. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    âoeJust think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!â
        - George Carlin

    And some percentage of those people are going to resonate very well with Mr. Trump.

    And some of that percentage of those people are going to resonate very well with Sanders and Clinton. Gee, so easy...

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  165. Re:President Trump isn't "owned" by corporations. by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

    âoeJust think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!â

        - George Carlin

    And some percentage of those people are going to resonate very well with Mr. Trump.

    And some of that percentage of those people are going to resonate very well with Sanders and Clinton. Gee, so easy...

    Agreed :-)

    It would be fun to see which percentage went to which candidate -

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  166. Re:Replaced by a foreign is not a valid reason by darkonc · · Score: 1
    It really does have to do with being foreign. If those workers had landed immigrant status, were expecting to raise a family in the US, and had the freedom to quit and go work for another employer at fair market value, they wouldn't accept the pay (or working conditions) that they get with an H1B visa that locks them into a single employer while they're in the US.

    H1Bs for third-world workers are sometimes just a step above indentured servitude.

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