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Another Windows 10 Update Causing Problems (windowsreport.com)
New submitter sexconker writes: The recently-released cumulative update for Windows 10 (KB3140743) is reportedly causing problems. Symptoms include crashes, BSODs, and the inability to boot, even in safe mode. The Windows 10 subreddit has many threads detailing the inability to boot. The only fix seems to be booting to a recovery ISO, uninstalling the update / rolling back, and hoping you don't get hit again. W10Privacy 2 claims to be able to (among other things) give Windows 10 users control over the automatic updates.
After the Win 8 mess, I'm sure Microsoft is hugely focused on reliability, and yet a series of errors with updates like this happen. Are they hitting a wall of unmanageable complexity? I ask this seriously - not as a Msft hater or as a troll, but I really wonder how/why it seems 10 is struggling. I no longer use Windows so maybe I'm missing out on something obvious to people more knowledgeable.
Don't step on the baby.
Never to return. Literally. I left the company in 2011. They were in utter turmoil and apparently still are. They missed the boat on mobile, ruined Nokia, produced a bad run of OSes, introduced privacy nightmares. Now, happy FreeBSD/OpenBSD user.
It really looks like MS needs to rethink the "You are going to take these updates no matter what" concept. I really feel for anybody that is running 10 and actually needs their computer to be reliable.
First they trick millions of people into "upgrading", then they consistently break their computers. The only good thing I can say about Windows 10 at this point is that it has increased my income. I could, at this point, change my entire business model to reverting computers to prior versions of Windows. I spend most of my time doing that now.
So, Satya, how's laying off your entire QA department working out for you?
"If there was a gay Afro-Puertorican Linux distribution, I'd give it a try" ~lucm
When you have to resort to third-party programs to restore and control basic OS functionality, and to stop your own computer from spying on you, then said OS has truly and irrevocably jumped the shark. It's time to bury Windows in a deep, dark hole, remember it for all the good stuff it brought to computing, try to forget about all the shit it foisted upon unsuspecting users, and move on to a less self-serving and traitorous alternative. Die, Microsoft - just die. Please.
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
On Windows 10 because one of their updates broke the start menu and all universal apps like edge and calculator. (No, sfc /scannow didn't fix it and DISM didn't either.) I'm just glad my main partition is Win 8.1 (with classic shell) because at least that one works. (I was thinking of a reinstall of my win10 partition but I guess I'll wait until Windows 10 gets out of alpha.)
Did you know 80 to 90% of the moderators on slashdot wouldn't recognize a troll even if one dragged them under a bridge.
It would be nice, with all that telemetry data being collected, shouldn't MS be able to find broken patches on a mass scale, realize something is wrong, and do something about it a lot more quickly.
A few months ago the motherboard in my living room PC died. I went to the extra effort and expense to get a copy of W7OEM when I got the new MB/CPU at Fry's. And since Microsoft can no longer be trusted with their automatic updates, either you get 6 gigabytes of W10 silently dumped on your hard drive, or your computer gets bricked now, so I have updates completely turned off. I don't use the computer for internets and it's the token Windows box (AVI/MP4 videos and a couple of specific games) in my inside LAN full of OS X and Linux, so I'm more worried about a bad MS update than I am about getting hacked.
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Windows 10 will sell more Apple gear than Donald Trump.
I was at a conference last year : an important speaker was scheduled to be the first one of the day.
He comes to the stage with his laptop (Windows 7), starts it up, and screams in disgust at the screen "Please do not power off your machine. Installing updates 1 from bazillion". He didn't have any copy of his powerpoint on a flash drive, and we didn't have Internet access.
No biggie, he switched place with the 2nd speaker. After the presentation, the update process still wasn't finished. Then came the 3rd speaker. After almost an hour, the speaker told us "Shoot, I should've hold the presentation without my laptop, now I've got a plane to catch. Well, see you next year!"
THIS is why Windows Updates NEEDS to be under end-user control.
Because with mandatory updates, like this one, killing systems, Windows Updates becomes the world's first compulsory malware delivery system.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Strange how he used to be Teh Evilz.
Back then we didn't know just how bad it can get...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Search Service Indexing is one. Compared to Win 7, win 8/10 are dogshit slow (with any search). Win 8 (and possibly 10) are constantly reading and writing to the harddisk. The number of active services and running processes is off the hook.
Win 10 is still stuck in ugly pastel metroland, and does not look like we'll ever see Aero come back with a decent customizable working environment.
That is the speaker's fault. He had updates scheduled and when he shut his machine down, he left it in a state of "partly updated" so that it finished updating when it was turned on.
It also sounds like he has a REALLY crappy laptop with a slow HDD, which he shouldn't if he is a "really important speaker".
Frankly, the speaker was unprepared. This is not Windows' fault, this is his.
I suppose the telemetry can't run if the machine is unbootable.
We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
At least I had a stable wireless connection with 8.1. When I installed 10, it worked for awhile, but after several updates, it stopped working. A reboot would restore it for a short time then it crapped out. I had hoped the new version would fix it but, if anything, it made it worse to the point where I have to operate with a cable if I want to connect. In addition, they still didn't fix the problem where my custom mouse profile won't load automatically at boot time. Every boot, I have to go to the mouse settings panel and manually select my custom profile. Every fucking time.
Damn, I miss XP
When can you wusses put your foot down and help bring a mentality like mine back to the mainstream? I'm tired of having to argue all these points and wish you would all help educate common-folk you know about these issues. Stand the fuck up for yourself.
Well, never, since I disagree with you...
For whatever faults are with the current system, it does beat the crap out of the older system where a hundred million machines were botted due to a complete lack of Windows Updates.
People simply didn't update their computers, it was a mess.
This solution isn't perfect, but it is a step in the right direction.
Telling me to "just back it up" is retarded since that is downtime
Backing up is downtime? If backing up takes you time, you're doing it wrong. In any case, you should always have a backup of your data, if you don't, you have no one but you to blame for losing it.
Anyone remember updating computers without the internet using "update disks"? We need to get back to that now
Yea, how about no... heck no...
Thursday afternoon my network went away. Farted around with it, then it spontaneously rebooted. When it came back up it gave the infamous "installing updates, please wait". Did another reboot or two, 20 minutes later I was back in business.
It farked some of my chrome settings, and went back to Edge for PDF viewing. Other than that haven't noticed any other problems.
To be honest, I wish I'd never "upgraded" to Win10. It's prolly the biggest pain in the ass I've ever run. Nothing major, except for the "I'll reboot when I want to, sod off", but lots of little problems.
Notice how Chrome gets updated all the time and no one complains. Actually, has a bad chrome udpate ever and I mean ever broke any plugins?
There is no QA since MS laid off the team and the OS is not modular enough to handle all these updates without breaking something. Major changes shouldn't be happening so quick and Windows update is the worst offender. FYI I am now talking about it not working on a fresh install!!? Not an update breaking something after a few months of use.
I support users so this means I have to know and use this POS day in and out. Folks 2016 is well under way and Windows 7 EOL is coming for me professionally at work. It is Jan 2020 so this means by 2019 in just 3 short years Windows 7 needs to go bye bye and meet XP and Windows95 in the light.
MS has paid off Intel not to support anything but 10 in skylake by next year and then will turn around and say LOOK NO PROBLEMS 1 BILLION INSTALLS == least buggy OS EVER. Shoot I put in my surface to teh MS store and they put in Windows 10 agaisn't my will for just a screen replacement. No Windows 8.1 will not install on a surface pro 3 as they use a custom image.
In my professional career in 7 years of XP and 7 only twice as Windows update EVER caused a problem in these legacy systems. WIth 10 it breaks freaking every month. Why?
MS needs a new framework that is stable, QA, and is designed modular wise to not break during an update. ASAP. My job is going to be on the line if I migrate to 10 in 2 years and things break every 3 weeks. Well Billly Gates was the one who fucked it up and they worked fine before he f*cked with it ... etc ... endrant
In the end as a tech professional and fellow geek this is sad to prefer ancient operating systems. It shouldn't be like this and no Linux for me and work is not an option read my job description above? Can MS turn this?
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It's not slow. Your connection to the Internet is slow and it's having a hard time sending everything you do to Microsoft.
It's the 21st century, an operating system should be able to multitask. Should also be able to load DLLs, EXEs etc into memory and keep using them while replacing the binaries on disk, all in the background, at idle priority, and at the end ask whether to reboot now or later. And of course a laptop should be able to sleep or hibernate rather then shutting down in the middle of an update.
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You can pull all of the telemetry "updates" without sacrificing the rest. It helps to actually read the descriptions of the updates you're installing. They're not all that cryptic. If it it's an update to "cusotmer experience", "telemetry" or "windows update", don't check the box and hide the update.
PC master race reddit has a good summary of older ones here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmas...
There have been a couple of newer telemetry updates since then. Read what you're installing. Since win7 is not receiving any updates other than security, telemetry BS and windows update BS, it's not even all that much reading.
Not really. MS has totally screwed up Windows Update.
Malicious Software Detection tool runs and scans your disk as a stupid update. I literally see people who haven't taken control of Updates away from Microsoft spend 30 or more minutes waiting for their laptop to shutdown so they can go home.
Laptops are shutdown so they can be carried away. NOW! not when MS is done futzing around.
Same thing with boot. I boot so I can get work done! Not so that some crappy updater can tell me that there's an Adobe Reader update available and I just need to re-reboot my computer before I can do whatever it is I turned my computer on to do.
Take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
I've never really had any issues with Windows 10. About the only issue I have with 2 machines running it, is one of them refuses to sleep automatically after the set period of idle. Still trying to figure that one out, but other than that, works good. Guess I'm just lucky.
In all truth, if you open the old Control Panel (you can search for it via the start menu), it just looks like Windows 7 underneath the new UI. And as far as privacy, I'm 2 PC's out of what, a billion installs? I turned off what can be turned off and whatever is left... Does anyone really think a human being is looking at what MY PC is submitting? I highly doubt I'm that important, and if I am, I think I'd be flattered honestly.
Bottom line for me is.. it works. Runs all my crap (and I run a lot of stuff, like cygwin, VMWare, various dev tools, games, libreoffice, and on and on) and seems to be stable (I've never had it crash or do anything weird other than that one machine refusing to sleep automatically.) So I really just fail to see the uproar over this thing. Again guess I'm just one of the lucky people.
"Are they hitting a wall of unmanageable complexity?" No, my view is that Microsoft has hit a wall built of many years of technically incompetent top management.
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer was called "Monkey Boy". The January 16, 2013 issue of BusinessWeek magazine has a large photo of Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer (now replaced by Satya Nadella) with the headline calling him "Monkey Boy". See the BusinessWeek cover in this article: Steve Ballmer Is No Longer A Monkey Boy, Says Bloomberg BusinessWeek. The BusinessWeek cover says "No More" and "Mr.", but that doesn't take much away from the fact that the magazine called Ballmer "Monkey Boy" -- on its cover.
Worst CEO in the United States: Quote from an article in Forbes Magazine about Steve Ballmer: "Without a doubt, Mr. Ballmer is the worst CEO of a large publicly traded American company today."
Another quote: "The reach of his bad leadership has extended far beyond Microsoft when it comes to destroying shareholder value -- and jobs." (May 12, 2012)
Who would want to work for "Monkey Boy"? Microsoft is apparently not able to hire socially competent people. Apparently Satya Nadella was chosen because he was the least annoying person. However, he does not seem to me to be the kind of person who can handle the enormous conflicts inside Microsoft.
This is my guess: Someone at Microsoft said, "Google and Facebook are collecting data about customers and selling it; let's do that also." So Windows 8 was designed to try to sell "Apps", as though Windows was a particularly trashy cell phone operating system. I was shocked when I first saw the Windows 8.1 GUI. Utterly incompetent. Now Windows 10 is apparently trying to imitate Google Android, which has become more and more invasive.
People who have work to do have already learned the GUIs they need. Even if the design is imperfect, that's what they know. They don't want wild changes.
It's scary. In the last few months, Windows 10 has been shown again and again to be sloppily designed and implemented, as well as being spyware.
Judging from comments on Slashdot, people try to find some technical reason for Microsoft's policies. They apparently have difficulty imagining that Microsoft managers are as incompetent as they are.
Some links:
Windows 8: NSA Backdoor Exploit in Windows 8 Uncovered (Aug. 22, 2013)
Windows: NSA "backdoor" mandates lead to a computer-security FREAK show Quote: "Microsoft Windows OS vulnerable to hackers, thanks to National Security Agency requirements." (March 6, 2015)
Windows: NSA Built Back Door In All Windows Software by 1999 (June 7, 2013)
Windows 10, Microsoft hiding what it is doing: Microsoft has no plans to tell us what's in Windows patches. Quote: "Each update is a black box, and it's going to stay that way." (Aug 21, 2015)
Windows 10, Microsoft takes even more control: Windows 10 is spying on almost everything you do -- here's how to opt out (July 31, 2015) But, of course, Microsoft can change the spyware to a
Updates KB 3140743 and KB 3139907 installed routinely on both my four year old 64 Bit HP desktop (Win 10 Pro Build 10586) and 32 Bit HP Stream 8 tablet (Win 10 Home Build 10586). I've seen no problems with performance or stability, no problems with programs like Edge or the 64 bit Firefox beta.
There are something like 200 million Win 10 installations out there.
How many of them will be successfully updated over the weekend with their users barely aware that anything unusual had happened?
The problem with Windows is the way it handles file access.
Under Linux, when you delete a file it's removed from the directory listing, but it's still there on disk. Any program that was using the file continues using the now 'deleted' file.
So an updater can delete a file that's in use and write a new version of the file. Programs that run from that point on use the new file, programs that are still running from before the update keep using the old, deleted file. That's what lets updates quietly run in the background.
Maybe a pro should always be on top of how updated their machine is. Maybe. But the average person should not need to be watching for that. It is a stupid pain in the backside to find, just as one needs to shut down, that there are an hour and a half of updates, and one is told not to power off. A genius piece of customer relations, that.
Don't step on the baby.
Better isn't sufficient. You also need compatible with all older programs.
There are a large number of people who are dependent on certain particular programs, and if they stop working the system is useless.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Stable? I haven't had a crash in the last decade, and I frequently update my system. Of course, I do periodically do a fresh install, but that's because I like to clean out old cruft when installing a new version, not because I need to.
I will admit that Debian testing used to crash badly once or twice during the development cycle, but that hasn't happened recently, and I never had that happen with stable.
That said, there are a lot of distros out there, and probably some of the pay less attention to stability. Still, why should someone be forced to choose stability over cutting edge software (or the other way around)?
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
You don't need any special tools or programs to disable Windows Update in Windows 10 Home. Just go into Services and disable the Windows Update service itself. Best plan is to keep it disabled until a few weeks after each major update (when you know that the update won't bork your system), turn it back on, do the update manually, then turn it off again until after the next month's Patch Tuesday. Put an icon for Services on the desktop to make life easier. In addition, make sure you enable setting a restore point during a Windows Update in case something still goes wrong.
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