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Another Windows 10 Update Causing Problems (windowsreport.com)

New submitter sexconker writes: The recently-released cumulative update for Windows 10 (KB3140743) is reportedly causing problems. Symptoms include crashes, BSODs, and the inability to boot, even in safe mode. The Windows 10 subreddit has many threads detailing the inability to boot. The only fix seems to be booting to a recovery ISO, uninstalling the update / rolling back, and hoping you don't get hit again. W10Privacy 2 claims to be able to (among other things) give Windows 10 users control over the automatic updates.

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  1. Seriously by MrKrillls · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After the Win 8 mess, I'm sure Microsoft is hugely focused on reliability, and yet a series of errors with updates like this happen. Are they hitting a wall of unmanageable complexity? I ask this seriously - not as a Msft hater or as a troll, but I really wonder how/why it seems 10 is struggling. I no longer use Windows so maybe I'm missing out on something obvious to people more knowledgeable.

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    1. Re:Seriously by omtinez · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nothing further from the truth. Windows 8 might have been a fiasco, but it was not unreliable. After the Windows 8 mess, Microsoft fired half of the testers in the Windows organization and made the other half work solely on telemetry. Windows is now trying very hard to be an "agile" project. So far, they have nailed the fail fast part!

    2. Re:Seriously by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When I was an MIT student many, many years ago, somebody did a study of admitted classes and found they had for years admissions policy had oscillated between looking for well-rounded, versatile students and the most academically advanced students they could find. Every year they'd look for more and more well-rounded students until academic problems started to rise, and then they'd make a panic adjustment. But then they wouldn't really be happy with the crop of super-nerds they'd just admitted, and the process would start all over again.

      Now if there were true, why wouldn't you just settle on a reasonable compromise between technical genius and well-roundedness? Just pick a class in the middle of the cycle and do that over and over again? Because that's not how institutions work. People solve the problems and address the priorities of the present, which in turn generates the problem of tomorrow. As long as an institution endures it will create the same problems over and over again and solve them over and over again.

      Microsoft's management of Windows fits this pattern. Over the years the pendulum swings between the needs of marketing and the need for a quality release. Yeah ideally you meet the needs of marketing with a quality release, but there's a tension and that causes an oscillation between priorities. It won't change until the institution of Windows looks like it is in real danger.

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    3. Re:Seriously by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mostly they wanted to rely on their users to be a huge tester group. I mean, the idea is brilliant: You get a few MILLION testers, all with different hard- and software setups, all with setups that do not only reflect real life machines or are set up to be like real machines used by real people, but that ARE machines used by real people! And all of them have to be beta testers, willing or not, because they can't turn off getting any and all patches you crank out pushed on their machines. And should it actually work out, you can roll the patch out to the real customers, i.e. the companies paying for their OS.

      The only problem with this brilliant plan is what corporations usually and pretty much always ignore when they come up with such great plans: The human factor. In this case, that there are millions of people, some if not all of them also using Windows at work, getting a HUGELY negative impression by the OS and essentially thinking that it's the biggest pile of dog shit since Windows ME.

      Or at the very least Vista.

      Another thing MS obviously didn't take into account that some of those people who use computers at home might be the same people that decide when and what OS to buy next...

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    4. Re:Seriously by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually with a start menu replacement WIndows 8.1 is a very fine desktop OS. If MS just included the old meny and left the full screen metro for tablets or those who click it to run their netflix on their desktop 8.1 would have been very very successful as many businesses who upgraded just last year would have deployed 8 instead of aging 7.

      Stardock had a $15 bundle that also includes modern mix to launch modern apps in a Windows and a start menu.

      Windows 8.1 has Hyper-V which supports Linux well and is better quality and cheaper than the now defuct VMWare Workstation type 2 hypervisor stack I used under 7. 8.1 has EFI and better wifi printing support and the ability to click on an iso for a virtual cdrom.

      Windows 10 is a clusterfuck and just well nothing. It has no QA and a mesh of things thrown together and is experimental.

    5. Re:Seriously by rssrss · · Score: 4, Funny

      So, why do you think they have issued the second stinker in a row? Me, I think it is the curse of the even numbered release. If this one had been Windows 9 it would have been good. But, they knew it sucked, so they numbered it 10.

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    6. Re:Seriously by just+another+AC · · Score: 5, Funny

      If the rumors were true, they didn't use windows 9 because some a lot of software was written to do OS version checks as Windows 9*, which would pick up 95 and 97.

      Here I was thinking I had endured every major windows version, now you are telling me I must go back and look for a 97 to complete the set? ...sigh... ok. Where is that old pentium II laptop again?

  2. This has become so common it isn't news anymore. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It really looks like MS needs to rethink the "You are going to take these updates no matter what" concept. I really feel for anybody that is running 10 and actually needs their computer to be reliable.
    First they trick millions of people into "upgrading", then they consistently break their computers. The only good thing I can say about Windows 10 at this point is that it has increased my income. I could, at this point, change my entire business model to reverting computers to prior versions of Windows. I spend most of my time doing that now.

  3. Third-party programs by jenningsthecat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you have to resort to third-party programs to restore and control basic OS functionality, and to stop your own computer from spying on you, then said OS has truly and irrevocably jumped the shark. It's time to bury Windows in a deep, dark hole, remember it for all the good stuff it brought to computing, try to forget about all the shit it foisted upon unsuspecting users, and move on to a less self-serving and traitorous alternative. Die, Microsoft - just die. Please.

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  4. Re:Not worth it by Megane · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A few months ago the motherboard in my living room PC died. I went to the extra effort and expense to get a copy of W7OEM when I got the new MB/CPU at Fry's. And since Microsoft can no longer be trusted with their automatic updates, either you get 6 gigabytes of W10 silently dumped on your hard drive, or your computer gets bricked now, so I have updates completely turned off. I don't use the computer for internets and it's the token Windows box (AVI/MP4 videos and a couple of specific games) in my inside LAN full of OS X and Linux, so I'm more worried about a bad MS update than I am about getting hacked.

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  5. Re:Not worth it by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Windows 10 will sell more Apple gear than Donald Trump.

  6. Re:This has become so common it isn't news anymore by BlackPignouf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was at a conference last year : an important speaker was scheduled to be the first one of the day.
    He comes to the stage with his laptop (Windows 7), starts it up, and screams in disgust at the screen "Please do not power off your machine. Installing updates 1 from bazillion". He didn't have any copy of his powerpoint on a flash drive, and we didn't have Internet access.
    No biggie, he switched place with the 2nd speaker. After the presentation, the update process still wasn't finished. Then came the 3rd speaker. After almost an hour, the speaker told us "Shoot, I should've hold the presentation without my laptop, now I've got a plane to catch. Well, see you next year!"

  7. Re:This has become so common it isn't news anymore by dcollins · · Score: 4, Funny

    I suppose the telemetry can't run if the machine is unbootable.

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  8. Re:Why W10 is so slow? by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's not slow. Your connection to the Internet is slow and it's having a hard time sending everything you do to Microsoft.

  9. Re:Not worth it by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can pull all of the telemetry "updates" without sacrificing the rest. It helps to actually read the descriptions of the updates you're installing. They're not all that cryptic. If it it's an update to "cusotmer experience", "telemetry" or "windows update", don't check the box and hide the update.

    PC master race reddit has a good summary of older ones here:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmas...

    There have been a couple of newer telemetry updates since then. Read what you're installing. Since win7 is not receiving any updates other than security, telemetry BS and windows update BS, it's not even all that much reading.

  10. Microsoft has INCOMPETENT management. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Are they hitting a wall of unmanageable complexity?" No, my view is that Microsoft has hit a wall built of many years of technically incompetent top management.

    Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer was called "Monkey Boy". The January 16, 2013 issue of BusinessWeek magazine has a large photo of Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer (now replaced by Satya Nadella) with the headline calling him "Monkey Boy". See the BusinessWeek cover in this article: Steve Ballmer Is No Longer A Monkey Boy, Says Bloomberg BusinessWeek. The BusinessWeek cover says "No More" and "Mr.", but that doesn't take much away from the fact that the magazine called Ballmer "Monkey Boy" -- on its cover.

    Worst CEO in the United States: Quote from an article in Forbes Magazine about Steve Ballmer: "Without a doubt, Mr. Ballmer is the worst CEO of a large publicly traded American company today."

    Another quote: "The reach of his bad leadership has extended far beyond Microsoft when it comes to destroying shareholder value -- and jobs." (May 12, 2012)

    Who would want to work for "Monkey Boy"? Microsoft is apparently not able to hire socially competent people. Apparently Satya Nadella was chosen because he was the least annoying person. However, he does not seem to me to be the kind of person who can handle the enormous conflicts inside Microsoft.

    This is my guess: Someone at Microsoft said, "Google and Facebook are collecting data about customers and selling it; let's do that also." So Windows 8 was designed to try to sell "Apps", as though Windows was a particularly trashy cell phone operating system. I was shocked when I first saw the Windows 8.1 GUI. Utterly incompetent. Now Windows 10 is apparently trying to imitate Google Android, which has become more and more invasive.

    People who have work to do have already learned the GUIs they need. Even if the design is imperfect, that's what they know. They don't want wild changes.

    It's scary. In the last few months, Windows 10 has been shown again and again to be sloppily designed and implemented, as well as being spyware.

    Judging from comments on Slashdot, people try to find some technical reason for Microsoft's policies. They apparently have difficulty imagining that Microsoft managers are as incompetent as they are.

    Some links:

    Windows 8: NSA Backdoor Exploit in Windows 8 Uncovered (Aug. 22, 2013)

    Windows: NSA "backdoor" mandates lead to a computer-security FREAK show Quote: "Microsoft Windows OS vulnerable to hackers, thanks to National Security Agency requirements." (March 6, 2015)

    Windows: NSA Built Back Door In All Windows Software by 1999 (June 7, 2013)

    Windows 10, Microsoft hiding what it is doing: Microsoft has no plans to tell us what's in Windows patches. Quote: "Each update is a black box, and it's going to stay that way." (Aug 21, 2015)

    Windows 10, Microsoft takes even more control: Windows 10 is spying on almost everything you do -- here's how to opt out (July 31, 2015) But, of course, Microsoft can change the spyware to a