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Microsoft Denies Rogue Windows 10 Upgrades, Says Users Remain Fully In Control (hothardware.com)

MojoKid writes: Despite significant user outcry that Microsoft Windows 10 upgrade mechanism has gone rogue, installing on customers' Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 machines when their backs were turned or they were otherwise away from the computer, Microsoft is pleading innocent. News broke of the automatic Windows 10 upgrades over the weekend, and in nearly every case, it was claimed Windows 10 installed without user intervention. Microsoft issued the following statement regarding the alleged unplanned upgrades: "We shared in late October on the Windows Blog, we are committed to making it easy for our Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 customers to upgrade to Windows 10. As stated in that post, we have updated the upgrade experience to make it easier for customers to schedule a time for their upgrade to take place. Customers continue to be fully in control of their devices, and can choose to not install the Windows 10 upgrade or remove the upgrade from Windows Update (WU) by changing the WU settings." However, users are still reporting the Windows 10 has allegedly forcefully taken over their machines. Hundreds and maybe thousands of users and IT admins are still chiming in on various threads around the web that they've "been had" by Microsoft.

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  1. Confirmed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Happened on my wife's Windows 7 system over the weekend.

    1. Re:Confirmed by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, read the summary again... carefully.

      [...]and can choose to not install the Windows 10 upgrade or remove the upgrade from Windows Update (WU) by changing the WU settings."

      (emphasis mine)

      From what I see of that quote, so long as you intentionally tell the system to *not* push Windows 10 on your box, it will just do it whenever Microsoft and Windows Update decide to push it in.

      In the eyes of the typical user (who does not read tech blogs or suchlike, let alone dork around with their Windows Update settings), this appears by all counts to be a 'forced' push of Windows 10 onto their box.

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    2. Re:Confirmed by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Informative

      You missed the point - in either case, the user has to go in and intentionally tell Windows Update to not install Windows 10.

      Most typical users don't even touch those settings, and with the default being that they will get Windows 10 installed, it appears to the user that they got the 'upgrade' forced on them.

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    3. Re:Confirmed by sexconker · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not bullshit.

      My own machine downloaded Windows 10, again, over the weekend for no fucking reason.

      I've set all manner of registry keys that MS recommends for blocking the update.
      I've hidden the updates that give you Windows 10.
      I've removed all the updates that give you the Get Windows 10 "app".
      I've run GWX Configuration tool.
      I've told Windows to NOT give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates.
      I've told Windows to download updates but not install them.

      If I had the default, Windows 10 would have installed itself.

    4. Re: Confirmed by slazzy · · Score: 5, Informative

      On a few of my systems as well. One of them is blackscreened (no video driver for win 10) and no way to restore. I've had to slave the drive in my Ubuntu system. Goodbye Windows for good.

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    5. Re:Confirmed by sexconker · · Score: 4, Interesting

      MS hasn't pushed Win 10 to domain-joined machines.
      Your 30+ machines are either on a domain, using WSUS instead of Windows Update, or you're lying.

      You seem to be vehemently defending MS and denying that any pushing is going on.
      Further, you never see Windows 10 as an update in Windows Update. Various updates, in various categories (optional, recommended, important), at various times have installed various versions of the Get Windows 10 "app" since this shit started.

      If you're claiming that this never happened to you on 30+ machines, then you haven't used Windows Update on those 30+ machines in the past 6 months or you're a fucking liar.

    6. Re:Confirmed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Same here. Different wife.

    7. Re:Confirmed by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And this is why I don't have Windows running anywhere in my house - with multiple computers, I could see Microsoft totally raping the bandwidth caps on my rural Satellite Internet connection... and rural 3G/4G Internet users likely wouldn't get any relief from it either. :/

      Speaking of which, I wonder if Microsoft could be found liable for any extra expenses incurred as a result of such a use case?

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    8. Re:Confirmed by ClaraBow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not Bullshit! It happened to my work computer and several of my co-workers! We were told by our IT department several times not to upgrade. I can't remember how many times I had to decline the offer to upgrade to Windows 10 -- and still the damned machine was upgraded! So frustrating!

    9. Re:Confirmed by sexconker · · Score: 5, Informative

      False.

      KB3146449 injects banner ads for Windows 10 into IE11.
      KB3146449 does NOT have code to download or install Windows 10 itself. It merely throws ads in your face if you use IE11.

    10. Re:Confirmed by tsqr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you're claiming that this never happened to you on 30+ machines, then you haven't used Windows Update on those 30+ machines in the past 6 months or you're a fucking liar.

      Christ, calm down. As I've said elsewhere in this thread, I've seen (and evaded) it on one out of four Win7 machines at my house; not a whisper on the other three. It's entirely possible that 30 machines could skate on this.

    11. Re:Confirmed by phishybongwaters · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually I'm still assuming user error. So lets talk about what just happened to me today. Literally 4 hours ago. I'm currently tasked with spinning up a test environment for a Thycotic server. As such, I spun up a fresh VM using our Server 2012 R2 master in VMware. It was updated last month so after install it was finding roughly 24 optional updates. Again, this is a fresh, un-configured image. After the updates completed and the box rebooted I began prepping it for a dcpromo. Now, I'm not sure if it was related to opening IE, or something else, but I was prompted with one of those server 2012 blue bars telling me to click here to upgrade to win10. On server 2012 R2, enterprise license. Now, if I was average joe crazy clicker, I would have accidentally installed win10 onto my fucking DC. But I'm not, I pay close careful attention to what I'm doing. So, sure, your wife's system might have upgraded to win7 over the weekend. After someone in your family crazy clicked that popup. It wouldn't be a blue bar on win7, but it would popup and offer you an free upgrade right now just click here. I have yet to see a single documentation case of this actually happening without user intervention. And before you flip out, go ahead and grab the entire systems event logs, export it to a readable format, remove any identifying information, and I'll show you exactly when someone decided to install this.

    12. Re:Confirmed by omnichad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, read the summary again... carefully.

      [...]and can choose to not install the Windows 10 upgrade or remove the upgrade from Windows Update (WU) by changing the WU settings."

      And then do the same every single time Windows finds new updates. You can't hide it once forever. And if you miss the next update cycle because you were in bed sleeping, too bad.

    13. Re:Confirmed by Howitzer86 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thankfully this will be over in late July when the free upgrade offer ends.

    14. Re:Confirmed by Agent0013 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I haven't seen this Windows 10 update on my Win7 box! It is probably because I don't install any updates ever and have the widows updates turned to do not download, do not notify. I trust the malware infections I might get from pirated software more than I trust Microsoft.

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    15. Re:Confirmed by NotDrWho · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Ironically, I was open to the idea of upgrading until I saw how bizarrely insistent MS was about the upgrade. When I began to hear stories of stealth upgrades, I ran, not walked, to the "GWX Control Panel" app and installed it. Anything that MS is this crazy insistent about has to be up to something very, very bad behind the scenes.

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    16. Re:Confirmed by Black+LED · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We can only hope.

    17. Re:Confirmed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It runs the rollback routine and sets you back to Windows 7. However, the terrible thing about that, is the snapshot seems to occur right before it installs Windows 10, which includes having the Get Windows 10 program open with a running countdown.

    18. Re:Confirmed by arth1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There's no reason for MS to do this. It makes no sense.

      Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
      That someone in MS made an error and flipped a switch for a patch, or made the default timeout action for a requester being "accept" or any other possibilities are, well, possible. And doesn't imply malicious actions, only stupidity, ignorance, recklessness or all of the above, combined with management that repeat what they THINK should happen as if it is what happens.

      I saw my first GWX popup on a domain joined computer last week, on a DC with GPOs where anything related to Windows 10 updates has been blocked. That should not be possible. Yet it happened.

      There is something rotten in the state of Denmark.

    19. Re:Confirmed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Did you read the article that you posted? The EULA comes up after installation of Windows 10, as they say here:

      "The EULA is presented to users at the The EULA is presented to users at the completion of the update process. This is the final step."

      So after you decline, it has to go back and uninstall Windows 10. And don't think this process is going to be completely bug-free. And when you hit "Decline" it even says it will "attempt to restore your previous OS" and "the process may take considerable time". If that doesn't scare some users, I don't know what will. And, yes, this happened to me. And I didn't "reserve" my copy of Windows 10. Every time that stupid "Install Windows 10" pop-up came up, it gave me two options "Install now" or "Install later". I kept hitting later. Yes, I should have looked up how to stop that shit in the first place and intended to at some point. But you know what, every time I got on my Windows box, I had shit to do other than try to figure out how to keep Microsoft from installing something I never asked for. So then the other day, I come to my computer and it already upgraded. I was pissed. And then I get the EULA with the option to decline. I would consider myself pretty computer savvy, working in the industry for over 15 years, using Linux, Windows and Mac OX daily. Even I had to stop and consider if hitting "Decline" would then just blow away my entire computer and require a reinstall. So would I blame a regular user from not taking that chance? No.

      So yeah, if you want to keep thinking this only happened to non-savvy computer users, go right ahead. But this whole process was bullshit.

    20. Re:Confirmed by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Informative

      To steal a line from Mel Brooks "bullshit bullshit aaaaaaannnnnnndddd BULLSHIT!"

      I can CONFIRM as it happened to a "granny box" I was planning on running WSUS Offline on, I had just hooked it to the wireless at the shop when I got a call my mom was rushed to the hospital, naturally I took off and completely forgot about the thing and when I got back I started stripping the parts off some rough looking Lenovo boxes and looking up what CPUs they can take and never thought about the system....until I heard its HDD grinding away and flipped the monitor on to see WTF was going on...and found a FULLY INSTALLED Windows 10 with the EULA staring me in the face. I of course declined and it managed to restore Win 7...only to be showing a countdown for Win 10 to install! I had to GWX Control Panel its ass to keep Win 10 from reinstalling.

      If you read above and below me? Same exact pattern, found a fully installed Win 10 with EULA, declined, had to wait while it restored, only to have a countdown. There was NO interaction by me or anybody else, it was sitting in the corner with ONLY security updates set to install.

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    21. Re:Confirmed by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

      What about a never ending stream of malice that occurs over and over again. Stupidity can only explain so much.

  2. You consented to the install... well sorta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The popup before the forced install said "do you want to install Windows 10 now, or download it for installation later". Either of those option is consent to install Windows 10. You probably selected "download for later installation" thinking you'd have a chance to refuse the installation. What you should have done is click the close-box top right.

    It was a trick.

    1. Re:You consented to the install... well sorta by grumbel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yep, that is my experience as well. When you click the "download and install later" option, that's it, the update will now be carried out and you have no way to cancel it. The dialog box that is presented to you before the final update does not have a cancel button or a close button or any other means to not carry the installation out, you can delay the installation by some days, but you have to set a date for the install, there is no "ask me later".

  3. Stop trying to install on old machines by jfdavis668 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We have some old machines which are clearly unable to run Windows 10. They barely run Windows 7. Yet, they keep getting notifications to upgrade to Windows 10, and list it on available updates. It is never going to run on a Pentium M or D machine. Microsoft, include a hardware check before you try to push it!

  4. Re:Windows 10... yeah right by krray · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I make a decent penny fixing computers [generally].

    On the few Linux installs that I've done outside of business' the users rarely call except to learn how to do something. Not because it is "broken". Business' get Linux servers and, well, never call.

    On the Mac installs they almost never call too. Except to learn how to do something because they can't use Google. I *know* virus' exist on the Mac (it is my personal desktop), but that never seems to be a problem.

    On the Windows installs I make a killing. Cleaning up virus', removing bloat they accidentally install, etc. I don't trust Microsoft. Makes perfect sense to me.

  5. It's all a mass hallucination, then by OpenSourced · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yesterday I had a customer call because one of his PCs has updated to Windows 10 without asking. According to the user, she had come back to her PC to see the update already installing. Of course I cannot know if that is the complete story, users are notoriously unreliable, but a couple of things come to mind.

    First, the customer called mainly because some programs stopped working. If things stop working it's not an "upgrade", its a whole new OS, and you have to market it that way, and wait for people to install it proactively. Anything else is irresponsible.

    Second, reports like this one are suddenly multiplying. There is no real difference in my mind between starting the "upgrade" on Windows' own volition or offering the "upgrade" to the user so many times and in so different ways as to make it practically sure that he or she will accept it by mistake.

    Microsoft is clearly confident in that its ecosystem is so solid in the desktop that nothing they do will change that. They are probably right, most of my customers are so heavily invested in the MS environment that nothing at all will make them change. One tried to switch away from Office to LibreOffice and, after a couple of years, had to backtrack licking its wounds.

    So you have a monopoly, but also a saturated market. You miss out on the Web revolution because you don't like centralized services, you like distributed better, that's your business. Then you miss out on the mobile revolution because the interface is so different from the one you have, and in your religion there is only one commandment, and it is :"There is only one Windows, and all pledge loyalty to It". So God forbids that you make something imaginative, like another system that works well with Windows. Afterwards you foul your cash cow by changing the interface that was working (desktop Windows) to be usable in the touchscreen world, apparently ignoring that people are well capable of learning and using two different interfaces with ease.

    So you prod your customers in the direction you want, even if you are not very sure of it being a good direction. It may be a winning strategy, who knows, not I, I have never earned the fat bonuses these marketing geniuses make. But in my book, prodding customers isn't a winning strategy.

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  6. Disabled Windows update by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In my case the solution was completely disable the Windows Update service (denying the service from booting, not just change a setting on the control panel). No more Windows updates for me, but these days I no longer trust the service to leave it on.

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    1. Re:Disabled Windows update by avandesande · · Score: 4, Funny

      I unplugged the network and power cable, pulled the cpu and ram out and ran the hard drive through a deep wipe.... and Windows 10 still got installed!

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  7. Wait what? by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Interesting
    They deny it happens automatically by confirming it happens automatically:

    [Customers] can choose to not install the Windows 10 upgrade or remove the upgrade from Windows Update (WU) by changing the WU settings.

    Hear that? It's not automatic IF YOU OPT OUT by changing the WU settings.

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  8. Re:32 gb solution by cfalcon · · Score: 4, Funny

    > Just use your Windows in a 32GB partition.

    That's the workaround? I mean, I bet that works. It's just like... Windows users will put up with ANYTHING!

  9. Remarkable Coincidence by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do you not find it remarkable that each and every one of these... "incompetent" mistakes are always in their favor?

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