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Microsoft Denies Rogue Windows 10 Upgrades, Says Users Remain Fully In Control (hothardware.com)
MojoKid writes: Despite significant user outcry that Microsoft Windows 10 upgrade mechanism has gone rogue, installing on customers' Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 machines when their backs were turned or they were otherwise away from the computer, Microsoft is pleading innocent. News broke of the automatic Windows 10 upgrades over the weekend, and in nearly every case, it was claimed Windows 10 installed without user intervention. Microsoft issued the following statement regarding the alleged unplanned upgrades: "We shared in late October on the Windows Blog, we are committed to making it easy for our Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 customers to upgrade to Windows 10. As stated in that post, we have updated the upgrade experience to make it easier for customers to schedule a time for their upgrade to take place. Customers continue to be fully in control of their devices, and can choose to not install the Windows 10 upgrade or remove the upgrade from Windows Update (WU) by changing the WU settings." However, users are still reporting the Windows 10 has allegedly forcefully taken over their machines. Hundreds and maybe thousands of users and IT admins are still chiming in on various threads around the web that they've "been had" by Microsoft.
Happened on my wife's Windows 7 system over the weekend.
Which is why I shut off updates completely
The popup before the forced install said "do you want to install Windows 10 now, or download it for installation later". Either of those option is consent to install Windows 10. You probably selected "download for later installation" thinking you'd have a chance to refuse the installation. What you should have done is click the close-box top right.
It was a trick.
Oh yeah, its an experience all right. Possibly not quite the one they had in mind though.
As long as they install GWX Control Panel. Otherwise, they get whatever turd sandwich Microsoft feels like shoving down their throats.
Or users could go really nuts and install Linux or a BSD.
We have some old machines which are clearly unable to run Windows 10. They barely run Windows 7. Yet, they keep getting notifications to upgrade to Windows 10, and list it on available updates. It is never going to run on a Pentium M or D machine. Microsoft, include a hardware check before you try to push it!
they are raping people computers
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It is exactly this. Users that were clueless that they need to dork around with system settings to avoid the forced update.
So clueless? Yes. Innocent? Absolutely. Users should not need to read tech blogs and dork around in some system settings to maintain control of their machines.
Fuck you MS.
Automatic updates on her Windows 7 computer were off but Windows 10 self-installed over a weekend.
Has this happened to real people at Slashdot, or is this disinformation propagated by ACs? Cause from here, it looks like disinformation...
But hey, as this is proprietary software, it could be an ugly and illegal piece of A/B testing. It could. Still, no proof seen here. My Windows 7 boxes are doing fine (and my Windows 10 too, BTW).
Stupidity is the root of all evil.
Happened to my daughter's computer. Unfortunately, her internet access was obtained over an LTE device (Rogers "Rocket Stick") - the Windows 10 downloads resulted in a $100 Cdn bill.
Hmm... This could be: - Dumb users clicking "Yes, upgrade my computer" or - A Microsoft conspiracy forcing millions of computers (most being used by businesses) to install a completely new OS on their computers without their consent. I don't believe in Bigfoot or the Illuminati or Obama being a secret Muslim, so I'm going to go with #1.
Microsoft apologized months ago for doing exactly what you're denying is occurring now: https://tech.slashdot.org/stor...
You don't have that problem because Apple "sheep" buy the latest product every year.
My wife had a MacBook that was 4 years old. For the last year, or so, that she used it, more and more websites just wouldn't load using Safari. We eventually took it to an Apple Store and the tech said that her OS was no supported and she would have to spend $100 to upgrade to the latest version.
We left and she got a laptop running Windows. It still runs like a champ after 5 years.
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There are three tiers of updates: critical, recommended, and optional.
Turning on automatic updates sets Windows Update to automatically download and install critical updates. It will prompt for a reboot if necessary.
There is an option to receive recommended updates the same way as critical updates. If this is selected, the same thing happens for recommended updates. Since Microsoft made Windows 10 a recommended update recently, a lot of people recently became eligible for automatic installation of Windows 10. Windows 10 was previously an optional update.
Windows Update can also be configured to never check for updates, check but prompt before download, or download but prompt before install. In all of these cases, the user is shown a list of updates and can choose individually which ones are installed.
Most of this whining is from people who don't know how they setup Windows Update or have trouble keeping up with current events.
I have three Windows 7/8 machines at home, and exactly none of them have installed Windows 10. Why not? Because I set them all to check for updates and ask me before downloading anything.
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You don't have that problem because Apple "sheep" buy the latest product every year. My wife had a MacBook that was 4 years old. For the last year, or so, that she used it, more and more websites just wouldn't load using Safari. We eventually took it to an Apple Store and the tech said that her OS was no supported and she would have to spend $100 to upgrade to the latest version. We left and she got a laptop running Windows. It still runs like a champ after 5 years.
In other words, you're proudly proclaiming you're not a sheep because you baaaaah to another corporation.
Yesterday I had a customer call because one of his PCs has updated to Windows 10 without asking. According to the user, she had come back to her PC to see the update already installing. Of course I cannot know if that is the complete story, users are notoriously unreliable, but a couple of things come to mind.
First, the customer called mainly because some programs stopped working. If things stop working it's not an "upgrade", its a whole new OS, and you have to market it that way, and wait for people to install it proactively. Anything else is irresponsible.
Second, reports like this one are suddenly multiplying. There is no real difference in my mind between starting the "upgrade" on Windows' own volition or offering the "upgrade" to the user so many times and in so different ways as to make it practically sure that he or she will accept it by mistake.
Microsoft is clearly confident in that its ecosystem is so solid in the desktop that nothing they do will change that. They are probably right, most of my customers are so heavily invested in the MS environment that nothing at all will make them change. One tried to switch away from Office to LibreOffice and, after a couple of years, had to backtrack licking its wounds.
So you have a monopoly, but also a saturated market. You miss out on the Web revolution because you don't like centralized services, you like distributed better, that's your business. Then you miss out on the mobile revolution because the interface is so different from the one you have, and in your religion there is only one commandment, and it is :"There is only one Windows, and all pledge loyalty to It". So God forbids that you make something imaginative, like another system that works well with Windows. Afterwards you foul your cash cow by changing the interface that was working (desktop Windows) to be usable in the touchscreen world, apparently ignoring that people are well capable of learning and using two different interfaces with ease.
So you prod your customers in the direction you want, even if you are not very sure of it being a good direction. It may be a winning strategy, who knows, not I, I have never earned the fat bonuses these marketing geniuses make. But in my book, prodding customers isn't a winning strategy.
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I dont know what the " GWX Configuration tool" is but I use the updated "GWX Control Panel" tool and I opt to disable all the win10 upgrades AND delete the GWX program right out of my system.
A couple dozen of my users whom I havent disable the win10 update on got hit with random unauthorized win10 upgrades. But I have tracked that to a windows setting to install updates when shutting down the PC.
They shut down Windows 7 they start up with Windows 10
This doesn't look good for Microsoft. It should be easy to confirm, as all installations should behave in the same way at the very least if they are running the same edition of Windows7/8/8.1
The fact that they can't give a simple Yes or No answer and a few screenshots about how this works makes it look like there is some sort of dodgy affair going on, like what was described earlier that the way to cancel is to use a tiny Close button instead of a proper Cancel button.
My PC hasn't tried to install anything by itself, possibly because it knows that when I tried to do it (on day 1 after release!) it failed on hardware/BIOS stuff.
Now the right way to get Win 10 on this PC is probably to wipe out the current installation, but I certainly don't plan on being the one idiot who pays for a licence when others are fighting their machines to not get the upgrade.
You let me know when you have to suddenly go out of your way to prevent having your car replaced with a shittier version that spies on you.
Funny, a Windows OS upgrade would have cost more than $100 until Windows 10.
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In my case the solution was completely disable the Windows Update service (denying the service from booting, not just change a setting on the control panel). No more Windows updates for me, but these days I no longer trust the service to leave it on.
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Then you're an idiot. Microsoft's history has shown they they are willing to do whatever it takes to dominate the PC market, including breaking the law.
I second that emotion, and have already offered my time and services to scour their event logs to show them when THEY CLICKED INSTALL. but no one is taking me up on it. Pro tip, half of the people here and elsewhere claiming this happened don't even run windows.
That was my experience as well. EXCEPT I had successfully rescheduled it several times AND THEN one night, it started upgrading without warning me. IT threw me off without a restart notice, there was no countdown that you mentioned. I was very disappointed to lose what I had been writing in a web app hosted by my Uni caused by the sudden and unexpected restart.
Do you have kids???
I have 3 windows 7 PCs, none of which automatically upgraded. On to of that, the one I tried to intentionally upgrade, failed miserably. I ended up installing kodibuntu on that...much faster!
No, they will download the upgrade files, they still have to decide to actually install them. What's actually happening is people aren't paying attention and end up clicking ok on the nag popups. Every. God. Damn.Time.
[Customers] can choose to not install the Windows 10 upgrade or remove the upgrade from Windows Update (WU) by changing the WU settings.
Hear that? It's not automatic IF YOU OPT OUT by changing the WU settings.
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Maybe it's because, as others have suggested, I didn't track down the setting that explicitly states "do not install windows 10", but sure enough, this happened on my Windows 7 machine. I put it to sleep one night and when I woke it up the next morning I was greeted by the "Welcome to Windows 10" screen and had to click through the configuration options to finish setting up Windows 10.
Best of all, it killed my WiFI adapter, which is another thing that I am seeing many complaints about online. I had a D-LINK USB wireless adapter on my desktop, and it stopped working after the upgrade. The adapter isn't supported anymore and there were no compatible driver updates for it. SO I had to buy a new one that said it was Win10 compatible.
Well if these idiots would read what they click, and never ever enable install recommended, and the problem disappears
I found Windows 10 was checked automatically as an optional update in Windows 8.1 for this month's updates. I had to click on "not accept" the license agreement twice before I found the issue the third time around.
What do you mean they are denying it ? they did not deny that they changed it to a recommended update, if you have automatic windows update enabled (enabled by default when you install the os) it WILL install windows 10
i just opened windows update in windows 8.1 to check and it automatically selected the windows 10 upgrade (in the optional tab) as the most critical update instead of the 50+ critical updates in the priority tab
> You let me know when you have to suddenly go out of your way to prevent having your car replaced with a shittier version that spies on you.
Nailed it. This would be like, you can't get maintenance done on your car because all the mechanics will replace it with the shittier version that spies on you. Your only choice is to become a mechanic yourself to drive your car. That's ludicrous.
"Well, a computer science major with time on his hands can technically prevent the upgrade from occurring... for now..."
> Just use your Windows in a 32GB partition.
That's the workaround? I mean, I bet that works. It's just like... Windows users will put up with ANYTHING!
There's absolutely no comparing a reasonably open and Unix-based OS like OS X to Windows. If your standard of freedom and control is Linux or BSD, sure, Apple doesn't touch them there. But they have never done with Microsoft is doing now. NEVER!
And Microsoft are trying very,very hard to give as many opportunities to make that mistake as possible, simultaneously trying to ensure it's a damn easy mistake to make with deceptive install dialogs.
Trickery, it's still wrong, no better than any other malware campaign relying on the same tricks.
Forced adware install to get an IE security update is user choice ?How please. It blackmail,its evil its Microsoft SSDD.
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The argument is that Microsoft set it up in such a way that all roads lead to Win 10 with the user never being able to flat out deny it. Microsoft setup Windows 10 as a 'potential' for all eligible machines to fall into, like gravity. Its wrong for Microsoft to set us on the edge of an event horizon and then blame us for falling in.
Good-bye
I ran Windows Update last night, and the 'Upgrade to Win 10' (an optional update) was auto-selected.
The Windows Update page at this point had only one option to click. Begin installation of Windows 10.
Just like this: http://postimg.org/image/qkvw8...
You had to go into "show all available update options" which is in small blue text. Deselect the optional update, so that you can select the "important" ones.
Today, I thought, I'll open Windows Update to see what the small blue text was, to be more accurate...and guess what... yeah the Windows 10 "optional" update is reselected, and if you bother looking at the image above, again the only option to proceed unless you "show all available update options"
So Microsoft can claim whatever the fuck they want. It's bullshit.
The jerks at M$oft are drunk with corporate cool-aid and follow other objectives abusing their customers.
Happens a lot, just look at any larger corporation, where the only goal it to increase bottom-line - take them to the cleaner!
Disable and remove windows update. Don't install updates. Done.
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
TBH I used Linux as my main OS for 8-10 years, then i got tired of waiting for the year of the Linux desktop and switched to OS X.
With macports/homebrew, the command line is about as useful as on linux, while the GUI apps actually work.
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It is not as if Microsoft does not employ people who are competent at designing and testing proper user interfaces: People who know and expect how users will interface with Windows Update.
They expect people to install it by mistake.
The forced update is nothing else but intentional douchebaggery.
To blame the users is probably what they had planned to do all along.
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I am only a tiny little bit perplexed - it is, after all, a bald-faced lie, but this new, more malevolent Microsoft, is fully capable of such unethical behavior.
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I have done that, but the update didn't carry over the applications from Windows7 for some reason, it presented a mostly blank install. The only two application it did carry over where some old copies of Word and Excel, both of which failed to run in Windows10. The rollback to Windows7 however seems to have worked. Given how aggressively Microsoft is pushing Windows10 update I would have expected a better tested upgrade routine.
iOS, yes. OS X, you can turn off kernel signing and other features fairly easily.
As for other operating systems, one can copy the BootCamp drivers to a USB flash drive, boot up Linux or Windows, and install the OS without any need for OS X on the drive whatsoever. It may not be a true UEFI boot... but it will run with few issues.
No platform is perfect. However, OS X is a decent alternative, if one is tired of the MS stuff.
If you're so serious about the user being in control, put your money where you mouth is and release an uninstall tool to stop the "Get Windows 10" icon in the System Tray (rather than us having to use a third-party software) and stop adding Windows 10 as a "recommended update" (regardless of whether it runs on it's own or not) so it quits downloading gigabytes of data before the customer consents to the upgrade.
This IE security fix https://support.microsoft.com/...
forces the download and install of
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This is blackmail and its evil period end of story. Its not a bug fix, its not important to the system or OS Its a forced update they had as OPTIONAL previously many of us hid. Its bullshit, is dishonest, its deceitful. Yes many people who have gotten win 10 installed had it installed because they didn't read. This is a security update it should have nothing but a security fix.
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Had to roll back a client's yesterday. Shut it down monday win 7 came back Tuesday to 10 and mass confusion. Of course rollback does not remove edge.
Had 10's non-disablable updates pooch a quickbooks server on payday last week. Thanks MS your stupidity is making me a lot of money.
Do you not find it remarkable that each and every one of these... "incompetent" mistakes are always in their favor?
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Windows 10 is a messy pile of dung. It just doesn't smell quite as bad as 8. The interface is a disaster because randomly placed tiles is such a great way to organize things. 10 is the thing that doesn't work.
I think what we have here are users are not reading the update dialog carefully and just clicking "go". I'll capitulate that knowing exactly what is about to happen during a Windows update is often foggy at best. IMO for a major OS update is user should be told very clearly (flashing neon lights kinda clearly) that the OS is about to be replaced with a newer version and then confirm they want to do that. Anything other is questionable and will lead to this finger pointing. MS might want to stop auto checking the install Windows 10 checkbox. That's kinda dirty pool.
there is a restore function but MS will never tell you it's there.
I dont know what the " GWX Configuration tool" is but I use the updated "GWX Control Panel"
Yes, that.
I ran it once in the beginning, once a while back, and once over the weekend.
The problem is MS keeps changing the game. I'd rather not install GWX Control Panel in watchdog mode, especially since whenever MS changes the game there's some delay before GWX Control Panel can react. Killing Windows Update entirely and blocking everything MS at my router seems like a better idea at this point.
Of course it is happening. But you don't think MS is dumb enough to have a few million machines try to download a 6GB update at once do you?
What do you mean "of course it is happening". Do you have any proof? I'm looking at 30+ Windows 7 boxes, and they all look like this: http://postimg.org/image/6aykz...
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You don't know what you're talking about. I have personally seen Windows 10 installed where a computer was left unattended. Nobody manually agreed to anything, and the EULA prompt was displayed AFTER Windows 10 was installed.
It's no different than going to dealer with your car and mindlessly signing on the dotted line for everything they want you to do. In fact, hilariously, I went for the $20 oil change special at my local dealer as I was short on time, and in their list of $1k plus items was a humorous note - change the brake fluid. Now, my brake fluid had been changed less than 3 months previously, complete flush, and was as sparkling clear in the almost new looking reservoir as it could be, so I'm guessing their "process" is just to check (on the sheet) everything by mileage that we haven't done. The rest were also largely funny, but that one took the cake as it told me they didn't even look at it. If you're going to operate a complex piece of machinery, you should at least be aware of the basics.
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
One had better remain "fully" in control at all times, because one slip of the finger is borderline irreversible for a great many people (here "borderline" is defined to mean "would require a substantial wallet flex"). Mounting mountains of psychology research show that humans are only "fully" in control of anything when their declared intention at the convenience of their best cognizance can be locked into place once and for all, until countermanded with equal and opposite intentional force.
Control as per our paleolithic instincts:
[*] don't ever ask me again, if you value your nut sack
What a surprising thing for HID professionals to fail to notice: human to human intentional declarations are expressed in eleven exponential shades of scatological glower.
Move over b2b / b2c, here comes DeepMind with some long-overdue h2c (human to computer) gesture recognition.
Besides, I can't think of one good reason to stay on 7 when 10 is free. I'm sure plenty of people will proffer suggestions, but I'm betting each is easily dismissed nonsense. Go ahead and try to prove me wrong.
I'm rather skeptical about this really happening. I have 1 Windows 7 machine here at home, it hasn't ever tried to install Windows 10.
Additionally, I refurbish laptops with Windows 7 Home Premium every day, and I've more than once left them running over night to do updates to themselves, not a single one has attempted to install Windows 10 on it's own.
So I dunno, I'm not saying people are lying, but there's got to be some kind of user interaction that's being done, that we're not being told about.
I concur. With the addition of "Quit whining, it's your fault for not paying attention."
Just fix fucking sleep on my machine, it worked before, why doesn't it work in Windows 10?
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Why? Did you even try it, or just reimage in a fit of thoughtless rage? I have to assume the latter given that you didn't bother to google how to undo the upgrade. (Hint: Under the Update and Recovery settings. Exactly where one would expect to find it.)
Well, they did make it a recommended update, so automatic installations were going to happen. But it's not like it was a secret. Admins especially should have known. I did. Read it right here.
Well known is most Slashdot's readership on Microsoft so the majority of these threads are nonsense and garbage.
> You must have Automatic Updates enabled, then also have "Treat Recommended Updates as Important" however both of these are enabled by default, so there ya go.
> Then you had to completely dismiss the Windows 10 upgrade options. Both available selection options to continue would eventually install win10.
> Finally it seems that domain connected machines are not being forced by default but I can't find information specifically about it. All of my workstations are still Windows 8.1 and some have the GWX.exe running on them. So the no-force on domain controlled networks seems to be true but I don't know how the deadline works.
Linux users/fans/shills, making up bullshit to make a company that already does shitty things worse just makes you all look like a bunch of idiotic children.
Gee, if they couldn't figure out the update settings, it's probably better that they were upgraded. For safety if nothing else.
We eventually took it to an Apple Store and the tech said that her OS was no supported and she would have to spend $100 to upgrade to the latest version.
Calling that fishy, for two reasons:
1) I ran OSX 10.3 just fine all the way up until 2007, when the problem with site support failed (I then just switched to Chrome and ran that just fine on OSX 10.3 until 2010-ish).
2) You only paid for OS upgrades from before 10.7, when they actually charged money for OS upgrades - and OSX 10.5 - 10.6 were only like $35 each, not $100. 10.2 through 10.5 were $100 each, but 10.5 was supported until 2010, and 10.6 (the last PPC/Intel hybrid OS) was fully compatible and supported all the way to 2012 or so. Versions 10.7 all the way up to now were/are free of charge.
Unlike Microsoft, you get one notification (and only one!), then you have to specifically go to the App Store and consciously download it - then you install it as a separate step.
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Have not seen any Win10 nagware on my domain PCs (yet).
I currently am running Win10 at home, but that was a complete fresh install, not an upgrade. Before I was running Win7 Home, but I never did see the Win10 nagware, even without being careful about updates. I was running Classic Shell, so that might have had something to do with it. I don't know. I *do* know my son's PC is showing the nagware. No auto-updated PCs in my experience yet. YMMV
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At this point I've resigned to add MS to my kill file and move on. If they have this much contempt and disregard for their customers now... Just imagine what they are going to be like when they really start to lose market share. Better abandon ship now while the abandoning is good.
Microsoft is not stupid. They know all about Interface design and human factors. What they are doing is like an infomercial or PR department spewing misleading language while technically may be true is intentionally knowingly designed to leverage ignorance or trick people who are not lawyers into making implicit assumptions. Whether machines are upgrading themselves or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is the fact people are being fucked over by a deliberate and conscious action on the part of Microsoft.
How can anyone expect integrity from a corporation who intentionally installs and enables backdoors access by default allowing Microsoft to read any file or setting they feel like from your computer without your knowledge or consent?
https://technet.microsoft.com/...
Do yourselves a favor, cut your losses and bail.
Any one of those "Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems" could be the "upgrade" to Windows 10 - that's the whole problem. Well okay, assuming the update size is listed correctly, they aren't, but you get the point.
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My point was that sticking a key in the ignition or flipping the on switch and pressing the pedal or keys are required but insufficient to be able to properly operate the machinery, IMNSHO. If you don't know enough to properly operate it leave it to someone else.
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
"we have updated the upgrade experience to make it easier for customers to schedule a time for their upgrade to take place"
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But we don't give them the option to opt out of the upgrade experience
I've come to the conclusion that Windows 10 and MS's abhorrent behavior makes Windows 10 a computer-equivalent of a sexually transmitted disease.. Call it say, a CTD. Of course in the case of the STD, a nice little rubber balloon does a fair job of protecting the "family-jewels" from said STD. In the case of a CTD, its quite a bit more complicated, but simply disabling WU does a pretty fine job...Of course, Windows being what it is, I certainly wouldn't advise disabling WU unless you take certain other precautions prior to using the system on the wild-n-wooly internet...
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I have more computers in my basement than I care to admit and I have upgraded two of them from the Windows XP that came with them to Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 using licenses from the university. I have yet to see any nagging to upgrade to Windows 10.
I'd like to keep those computers with the OS they have now for software testing and because of compatibility issues with older software I use. "Downgrading" to XP might actually be an improvement since both machines have Wi-Fi devices on board which drivers exist only for Windows XP. If I reinstall XP on those machines then I gain Wi-Fi, won't get nagged for an operating system that likely would not run on them anyway, and I can keep running the old software.
What I'd lose with reverting to XP is the ability to test in Windows 7 and 8.1 but if this fiasco works out like Microsoft seems to intend then there is no point to testing on those operating systems anyway.
Yes, Windows 7 is old and XP is ancient but for what I do they work just fine. I do networking stuff and web development. All I need those computers to do is run things like terminal emulators, ping, telnet, tftp, and some text editing. I use Windows instead of Linux because the drivers are there, they work well with the OS, and when it comes down to it I really don't think too much about what OS is there so long as it stays out of my way. Besides, with Windows XP I can run some of my old games and not have to tweak an emulator for it to work.
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They did it to my wife's PC 3 times.
I had to go to fairly great lengths to stop it from recurring.
Installed and deployed GWX Control Panel to stop it.
Tell me: Why would GWX Control Panel even exist if this problem did not happen?
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Not that it matters because if you use that, they will re-install Windows 10.
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Do any of the group claiming that M$ is *pushing* W10 updates on people care to explain why only a very small percentage of users have reported this specific behaviour?
Why has it not happened to me or all the others?
Do you people possibly have cats? Children? Because they love to push keys and click the mouse when no one is looking.
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High-tech companies like Microsoft depend on employees being able to say proudly "I work at Microsoft". The moment that saying that leads to people screaming at them over the update problem the Microsofties start hiding who they work for and the best ones, the ones with choices, start looking for an employer they can admit to working for. Even better at conventions refuse to let them into conversations- shun them. And don't accept "But that's not my division" as an excuse.
If there is ever a person who knows what he's doing around computers, that person would be Jerry Pournelle, former columnist for BYTE magazine (and several others over the last 3 decades) and current master science fiction author.
https://www.jerrypournelle.com...
Jerry Pournelle's Windows 7 computer "updated" itself to Windows 10 overnight without his permission a few days ago.
I continue to recommend the GWX Control Panel to prevent your Windows 7/8/8.1 system from upgrading before you're ready.
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Seriously folks, Users *do* remain in complete control! I can prove it.
When I installed Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on my game machine a couple years ago, I disabled the Windows Update process in services.msc. Bam! One easy step and I've had no issues whatsoever with unwanted upgrades being forced on me, no nagging, no ads, nothing! Piece of cake, and total control!
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I'm happy about this. For too long thrte have been too many ve4sions of windows in use. Having just one will make tbings easier for developers.
Microsoft is ignorant of the actual cause of this. Or at least one cause.
For decades this has been a problem, in several different ways.
If a popup window appears when someone is actually working, whatever they are typing is suddenly diverted into the popup window. The popup can receive that and close, so fast that the user might not even see it. And not even know what they have "agreed" to!
This means that, technically, it is not possible to show that a user has agreed to -anything-. And none of the "agreements" are binding, for anything.
Unix and Linux and most others do Not do this. It takes a mouse click to select the popup on other OS types.
Microsoft is not propperly testing stuff and might not even know how... 8-(
Not to mention that all OS X upgrades have been free for years now. Not that I think any of them has been as good as 10.6 was.
Historically, Windows Update won't check free drive space before it starts doing its thing, sometimes with ugly results when it runs out in the middle of installing an update, causing the update to fail, followed by the rollback attempt failing. I wouldn't count on it.