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Futuristic Suit Lets You Feel What It's Like To Be An Old Man

HughPickens.com writes: Andy Newman writes at the New York Times about an exhibit at Liberty Science Center in Jersey City that lets users walk a proverbial mile in their elders' orthopedic shoes and experience the stooped shuffle, the halting speech, and the dimming senses of an 85-year old man. It is not a very pleasant experience. An attendant cranks up a fader and your vision dissolves into melty, grayed-out blobs, like a memorably unvivid psychedelic experience, more knobs twiddle, and your hearing is subsumed in a fog of tinnitus, muffling and distortion. Loaded with hardware and a computer, the suit itself weighs 40 pounds, distributed as uncomfortably as possible. "It's going to get much worse," promises Bran Ferren, the suit's inventor. "You haven't lived."

According to Newman, in just 10 minutes, the aging suit induced a remarkable amount of frustration, depression and hopelessness. There are entire realms of wretchedness attendant upon owning and operating an 85-year-old body that the exhibit does not even touch upon. Comprehensive sagging, internal and external. Pain in places you did not know could hurt. Difficulty urinating. Difficulty not urinating. Watching your friends die off. Watching yourself become irrelevant, an object of pity or puzzlement if acknowledged at all. By allowing a younger generation to feel the effects of aging firsthand, the suit provides a newfound perspective that hopefully inspires a conversation with loved ones about getting older so, collectively, family and friends can better prepare for the future. If doing even the most basic tasks of daily living is this much trouble, you wonder, why bother? But it also makes you a little less likely to lose patience and a little more likely to feel empathy with the older people in your life. "My father, Aaron Newman, happens to be 85," says Newman. "I called him up. I described the treadmill experience and asked if that sounded about right." "No," he said. "It's much worse."

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  1. Being old: everything hurts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    And if it doesn't hurt, it leaks.

  2. We don't need no stinkin' suit by arth1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    A substantial portion of the readers of Slashdot are already well aware of how the ypotame of age hits you, squarely in the tummy, before jumping all over you.

    It wouldn't be so bad if gravity hadn't increased too. This, of course, being a side effect of the world haven gotten smaller.

    1. Re:We don't need no stinkin' suit by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      Hey, at least we finally got an article today that wasn't just a slashvertisement!

      Now if the editors could walk a mile in our shoes before posting stuff that's obviously advertising for something...

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    2. Re:We don't need no stinkin' suit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Only if you're unhealthy. I am 40 years old, I eat well and I have an active life. My stomach is flat and muscular.

      That's what is wrong with this "old man suit". It's simulating being an unhealthy old man. There are plenty of 85 year olds out there who are still strong and have a lot of pep. It's all a matter of how well you treat your body. If you consume fast food/processed food/junk food/candy/soda/alcohol/tobacco and/or sit around in front of a TV or computer doing nothing all day, of course you're going to be fat, weak and unhealthy. It will also lead to other problems like deterioration of eyesight, poor posture, vitamin D deficiency, digestive tract issues and various aches and pains. On top of that, you'll miss out on so much by being sedentary. There is a whole world to see and explore.

    3. Re:We don't need no stinkin' suit by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      "Only if you're unhealthy. I am 40 years old, I eat well and I have an active life. My stomach is flat and muscular."

      When I was 40, I had abs like that too. Also, Reagan was president.

    4. Re:We don't need no stinkin' suit by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Only if you're unhealthy. I am 40 years old, I eat well and I have an active life. My stomach is flat and muscular.

      Agreed. Another example of what "Use it or lose it" gets you:

      I'm past 45, and can still fit into jeans I wore in college. 33" waist.
      Physically, I'm up from 250 to 300 ms in reaction time, but dexterity has increased with experience.
      Muscle-memory from multiple sports in youth provides a different type of skill than being young and quick.
      Mentally, I am far more capable of thinking, learning, and creating than at age 22.
      Mental 'velocity' is still "scary-fast" (I'm told), with working memory and long-term recall also still way up there.
      Hair? Well, that one's genetic.

      I recall being faster than my computer in 1985, as far as giving instructions ahead of its buffer. That is still the case today.

    5. Re:We don't need no stinkin' suit by arth1 · · Score: 1

      the only reference i can find to the word ypotame suggests it's Middle English for "Hippopotamus"

      My language betrays my age, it seems.

      The hippo of time is one you'll eventually meet. It will trounce you, it will sleep on your chest, and in general be rather griselich.

    6. Re:We don't need no stinkin' suit by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      And that will be the day that I die. In the meantime, I choose to be fit and ailment-free.

      See that bus?

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    7. Re:We don't need no stinkin' suit by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, Lake Slashdot. Where everyone is 2 standard deviations above the mean.

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    8. Re:We don't need no stinkin' suit by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      A substantial portion of the readers of Slashdot are already well aware of how the ypotame of age hits you, squarely in the tummy, before jumping all over you.

      That sentence is meaningless without knowing what ypotame is, and google has no answers as to its meaning. Do I need to use some obscure dictionary, say, Swahili/English or something?

      Slashdot needs a "this post is completely incomprehensible" moderation.

    9. Re:We don't need no stinkin' suit by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      That's what is wrong with this "old man suit". It's simulating being an unhealthy old man. There are plenty of 85 year olds out there who are still strong and have a lot of pep. It's all a matter of how well you treat your body.

      That's the biggest myth of this generation. "Eat right and exercise and you'll live forever." Poor nutrition and lack of exercise will age you more quickly, but the number one indicator of how long you'll live is how long your grandparents lived. If your grandparents all died of natural causes before age 70, don't expect to make it to 85 no matter how much you exercise or how you eat.

      More wrong with this stupid suit: How does it address "senior moments" when you forgot what you were talking about in the middle of a sentence? Have a bunch of pot smoke blowing in?

      An AC mentioned that "everything hurts, and what doesn't hurt, leaks". How are going to simulate that? Beat the hell out of you before you put the suit on, then feed you laxatives and something to make your urinary muscles less responsive?

      Lots of folks have breathing problems in old age, my 88 year old mother does (as does a friend who is younger than me). How does this suit cut down on your efforts to breathe?

      In short, this suit is worthless and its inventor is an idiot.

    10. Re:We don't need no stinkin' suit by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      You could be decrepit in one year, as far as you know. Most people aren't decrepit until the day the injury/illness hits. Age just means recovery is much longer or nonexistent.

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    11. Re:We don't need no stinkin' suit by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
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    12. Re:We don't need no stinkin' suit by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, Lake Slashdot. Where everyone is 2 standard deviations above the mean.

      Merely two standard deviations?!?

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  3. Aging sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is news? I know there's always this delusional part of the population that says they feel better at 40 than at 20, but they're idiots.

    Aging should be studied, understood, controlled and eventually reversed.

    Fuck aging. There's nothing glorious about grey hair, bald spots, high blood pressure, failing memory, decreasing processing power, declining physical capabilities, and for the money-hungry among us, the extra cost on society of old, feeble, decrepit bodies.

    Why there isn't the same level of excitement for anti-aging, as, say, colonizing Mars, is very difficult to understand.

    1. Re:Aging sucks by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Fuck aging. There's nothing glorious about grey hair, bald spots, high blood pressure, failing memory, decreasing processing power, declining physical capabilities

      But on the plus side, you get 10% off at the Old Country Buffet before 5 pm.

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    2. Re:Aging sucks by ProzacPatient · · Score: 1

      Aging should be studied, understood, controlled and eventually reversed.

      Funny you should mention that.

    3. Re:Aging sucks by narcc · · Score: 1

      Why there isn't the same level of excitement for anti-aging, as, say, colonizing Mars, is very difficult to understand.

      Going to Mars excites the imagination of young and old, rich and poor. Like the moon landing, everyone gets to participate.

      A cure for aging is a boon only to a select few who can afford it. It's a terrifying nightmare for those at the bottom who cannot.

    4. Re:Aging sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's because you're already senile; you've forgotten your 28 inch waistline, your capacity to learn new subjects instantly, your stamina, your smooth skin, your resilience, you attractiveness. You're in denial and have convinced yourself that the fat, bloated mess staring back at you in the mirror is the same as at 20.

    5. Re:Aging sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Aging should be studied, understood, controlled and eventually reversed.

      When I compare how people lived 100 years ago to today, I really do believe that it is possible that by 2116, we have solved this problem. When I look at the society of today, which is threatened by so many parties, I am not sure though whether society will be ready for it in 2116. It would mean lots of changes. We would need to start to adopt regulation of children, as place on earth is limited. What about life imprisonment? The concept of pensions in countries that regulate pensions needs to be thought over too, it can't be age based anymore. It can perhaps be that you have a 40/20 approach: work forty years, then enjoy 20 years without work, then work 40 years again, the ratio being changed depending on how much we need human workforce.

      Aging is a very complex problem though, essentially every part of the body gives up or degrades its performance sooner or later. The key is probably when we find out how to grow human tissue/organs, then most general aging problems can be solved.

      I doubt its not doable. My doubts are just whether society is ready for it, wants it, and is generally stable enough in the next 20-100 years to fund researchers finding out how to do it.

    6. Re:Aging sucks by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I know there's always this delusional part of the population that says they feel better at 40 than at 20, but they're idiots.

      I don't know about 40s, but I sure feel better now than I did in my 20s. I was messed up then, in a lot of ways. I'm fine with reversing aging, though.

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    7. Re:Aging sucks by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is news? I know there's always this delusional part of the population that says they feel better at 40 than at 20, but they're idiots.

      They're not referring to their body, not unless they were a slob at twenty and shaped up good. At twenty many are still angsty teenagers +1, at forty they are usually more comfortable with who they are and do the things they want instead of trying to fit in and be popular. And they might be past the peak, but most forty year olds have nothing to be directly miserable about.

      Now eighty is another matter entirely, they have a barely functioning body that keeps them from doing what they want. Ten years ago my dad would love to drive to our cabin and go out fishing in our boat, now he can't do either and I know he misses it. He's still got lots of plans and ideas of things he'd like to do, but even with many breaks and helping hands it's very limited what he can get done in practice. I know it would frustrate the hell out of me and I think he feels that way too.

      The reason there's no great excitement about anti-aging is that most people realize aging is not "one thing", it's like every part of your body wearing out. We're constantly pushing the shape of the mortality curve so more people grow old, but no matter how hard we push it seems it comes crumbling down around 90-100 years old. There's good proof that people became over 90, probably in rare cases also over 100 even in antiquity. We haven't really made much progress there.

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    8. Re:Aging sucks by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Side effects of this suit: pain, discomfort, blurred vision, depression, suicidal thoughts...

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    9. Re:Aging sucks by kuzb · · Score: 1

      The simple explanation: You're lying.

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    10. Re:Aging sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There's things I can do nearing 40 that I could never get close to at 20. But yes, overall, I'd stay about 22 forever, if given the choice- the benefits don't outweigh the costs.

    11. Re:Aging sucks by Longjmp · · Score: 1

      I guess if I had a muscular mouse that would help.

      Muscle is derived from Latin "musculus", meaning "mouse".
      So you want a "mousy mouse"? ;)

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    12. Re:Aging sucks by ultranova · · Score: 1

      I know there's always this delusional part of the population that says they feel better at 40 than at 20, but they're idiots.

      Or, more likely, were idiots at 20.

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    13. Re:Aging sucks by KGIII · · Score: 1

      > Please explain how two thirty year old people can create a zero year old baby.

      Umm... Do you really have to ask that question? 'Cause there's a whole internet out there for you to find this information out - they've even got videos. Or so I hear...

      Basically, Tab A goes into Slot B and they wiggle about and make funny faces and noises. Then, the man (the one with Tab A) says, "Oh, shit, the rubber broke." Then, the woman (the one with Slot B) says, "Who are you and what are you doing in my hotel room?"

      And that's how baby Anonymous Cowards are made.

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    14. Re:Aging sucks by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That's the problem, nobody wants to die young, but at the same time nobody really wants to get old either.

      The main problem we're facing in our society is that people do get older, but they don't stay healthy. Meaning that they can't work, and often to make matters worse need assistance.

      The first step was to get people to get older. We have accomplished that. People routinely live to their 80s today provided they don't die early from accidents or similar circumstances. We have eliminated many illnesses that would have avoided this. The next step has to be that we find a way to make these people live to their 80s and still be capable of taking care of themselves.

      That doesn't apply to all of them, mind you. My grandma lived to her 90s and until a few months before her death she was working in our vineyards. My dad's going for 70 and his main concern currently is that he wants to add a new room to his house (not have it added but add it himself, he has the skills for it). I hope I'll be at their level when I get to that age.

      That does not apply universally. I know quite a few people who are barely past their 60th birthday and are dependent on aid and assistance because they can no longer do the simplest everyday tasks themselves. And we're not talking about people who always needed this, but people whose health failed early, relatively speaking.

      So our next goal, when it comes to health and longevity, should definitely be to make people stay healthy, agile and self-sufficient for longer than they do today. I can't speak for everyone, of course, but living longer would not be very enjoyable for me if I knew that I could live to see my 100th birthday, but from age 60 on I'd be bed-ridden and feeble. I'd probably kill myself, if I still had the capability for it.

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    15. Re:Aging sucks by flopsquad · · Score: 1

      Please explain how two thirty year old people can create a zero year old baby.

      This raises an interesting and rather pressing question: How is babby formed / how girl get pragnent?

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    16. Re:Aging sucks by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2

      Being physically active significantly decreases the effects of aging, or at least mitigates them to a certain degree.

      Of course, you'll never be able to convince the desk jockies here on /. about that simple fact, because apparently sitting at a desk their entire waking life while drinking soda and munching on high-carb/high-fat snacks is perfectly fine!

      I feel better at 30 than I ever did at 20, because I pulled myself together and started working out. Being physically active is investing in your own future quality of life.

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    17. Re:Aging sucks by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I would love to stay in my early twenties forever, being physically active instead of the lazy slob that I was.

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    18. Re:Aging sucks by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      small mouse.

      Not that any of them are huge. Silly Romans, that must be why they're not around any more.

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    19. Re:Aging sucks by khallow · · Score: 1

      When I compare how people lived 100 years ago to today, I really do believe that it is possible that by 2116, we have solved this problem. When I look at the society of today, which is threatened by so many parties, I am not sure though whether society will be ready for it in 2116. It would mean lots of changes. We would need to start to adopt regulation of children, as place on earth is limited. What about life imprisonment? The concept of pensions in countries that regulate pensions needs to be thought over too, it can't be age based anymore. It can perhaps be that you have a 40/20 approach: work forty years, then enjoy 20 years without work, then work 40 years again, the ratio being changed depending on how much we need human workforce.

      So what? I don't see those problems even as a whole coming anywhere near the difficulty of reversing aging in the first place. Modern capitalist societies already do a good job of reducing female fertility without requiring regulation of number of children. Similarly, pensions have not been shown to be a good idea even in today's world (too much gets promised and can't be delivered). If someone can't figure out how to work 40 years and afford downtime of 20 years, then I don't think society should do it for them.

      We can decide whether to change life imprisonment or not. After all, many of the crimes for which life imprisonment is used now, would have gotten worse as well. And there's always pardoning, if you think someone has done sufficient penance for their crimes.

    20. Re:Aging sucks by omnichad · · Score: 1

      If that's not a quote from this movie, it could easily be close: The Mating Habits of the Earthbound Human

    21. Re:Aging sucks by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Wait...where's the downside of this?

      have to spend the rest of eternity working in an iPhone factory in China or struggling to survive as an street orphan in Africa.

      Just because you switch places, doesn't mean you need to stay there. For one, you don't strictly need to eat. You could spend all your efforts leaving a bad situation without fear of being killed in the process. With such minimal living costs, you could regain or even improve on your former socioeconomic status, nevermind what compounding interest could do for you over many more decades.

    22. Re:Aging sucks by Soft+Filter · · Score: 1

      You're painting with too broad a brush. Lots of people feel better at 40 than they did at 20. The early 20s can be a tremendously awkward and difficult age. The brain isn't fully developed until the mid 20s, those who were skinny can fill out by middle age, those who were fat can lose weight by middle age etc. Depressed young people often gain perspective and a healthier when they're older. I feel somewhat better today at 40 than at 20, both physically and mentally. I can still run as fast, solve puzzles as quickly etc. as I did then and I'm happier with my general physique. I've never been an elite athlete, but I've stayed active. Does this mean I'm delusional? No, it just means I've taken care of myself and perhaps have the right combination of genes for it. My parents are still active in their 80s. Playing tennis, riding bicycles etc. I hope to be doing the same when I'm a senior citizen. This doesn't mean I'm blind to the fact that our bodies eventually wear out and break down. There's just a lot of variation among humans. That being said, I agree that ageing should be studied further. What I'd like to see is a way to simultaneously tap into the advantages of various ages. Being younger shouldn't be the goal, in my opinion, but becoming better. The two aren't necessarily synonymous.

    23. Re:Aging sucks by Intron · · Score: 1

      the extra cost on society of old, feeble, decrepit bodies.

      My insurance rates beg to differ with you:
      http://www.valuepenguin.com/ho...

      It's the young and stupid who cost more. And of course, the ypotame.

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    24. Re:Aging sucks by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      "This is news? I know there's always this delusional part of the population that says they feel better at 40 than at 20, but they're idiots" says the twenty year old with no possibility of a clue.

      There's nothing glorious about grey hair, bald spots, high blood pressure Yeah, my hair's gray, but I have no bald spots, and in fact my dad died with a full head of hair at age 84 (cancer cause by PCBs, dioxin, and tobacco; he was an electrical lineman. None of his co-workers made it past 60).

      And rather than high blood pressure, by pressure is lower than the average 30 year old and I'm more than twice that old.

      Everyone is different. One size never fits all.

    25. Re:Aging sucks by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Senior discounts are the least of the benefits.

      1. No alarm clock. This is heaven to me!
      2. People call you "sir" without asking if you want fries with that
      3. You've done so much dumb shit you're good at NOT doing dumb shit any more
      4. YOU GOT TO WATCH THE FIRST MOON LANDING! LIVE!

      Suck it up, youngsters.

    26. Re: Aging sucks by LDAPMAN · · Score: 1

      Sign me up. I believe I can have enjoyable life regardless of economic status. I started out with very little in life and I have no fear of having nothing again. Blaming socioeconomic status for the misery in your life is just an excuse profferd by miserable human beings.

    27. Re:Aging sucks by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      If only #3 were true.

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    28. Re:Aging sucks by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      While I would be highly offended by #2, I've got to admit that watching all the moonwalks live (except the one where they pointed the camera at the sun) was awesome. Today people thinks that the first moon walk was by Michael Jackson.

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    29. Re:Aging sucks by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Just compare the faces of smokers and non-smokers who are the same age.

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    30. Re:Aging sucks by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Boss is what the screws demand to be called in jail/prison.

      I take it as in insult, myself. Basically 'the same' as someone calling you an ex-con IMHO.

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    31. Re:Aging sucks by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Put a cam, intake and exhaust on it. One thing about mouses, parts are cheap.

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    32. Re:Aging sucks by khallow · · Score: 1

      Disagree. I see aging as a physical problem. We can already replace limbs and some organs. Maybe one day we can reach a point where any part of our body can be replaced whenever it gets worn out (then we get into the philosophical question of whether the Ship of Theseus is really still the same ship)

      The others however are social and economic problems. Those are a lot of harder to solve as they involve people and money (particularly distribution thereof). They are not problems that one can simply engineer a solution for like physical problems, and is the major reason why communists have failed to engineer themselves a utopia.

      Don't confuse unwillingness to solve a problem with the difficulty of the problem. Not only can we engineer a solution to these social and economic problems, but we can engineer many such solutions. As to aging, it demonstrates the obvious fact that physical problems can be quite hard problems.

    33. Re:Aging sucks by khallow · · Score: 1

      Don't confuse attacking me as a person with attacking my argument.

      I didn't. I based it on your writing and I quoted the relevant part that showed the confusion in question.

      But let's suppose I am confused. What reasoning do you have that people are more or less willing to solve one than the other?

      Look at the money. Health care is a larger market than food production is. There are vast sums spent on such things or merely just to make us look a bit younger and more healthy.

      My argument is that human life expectancy is longer than ever, and we can cure or at least treat more illnesses than ever.

      Here's a glaring example of how hard the longevity problem is. We have these vast sums being spent. And how much gain do we get for those sums? Public sanitation, antibiotics, and better pregnancy and infant health care account for most of the gain in longevity since 1900. But they're not going get us to a 200 years life span. Merely treating more illnesses doesn't do that either. We don't even know how we'll do it much less have the necessary infrastructure in place.

      But if you want to feed, say double the number of poor people you currently do, then you just double the food you give them (along with some increase in the infrastructure of the systems you use to deliver the food).

  4. Just wait kiddies! by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Remember the old farts you make fun of? The only thing that separates you from them is time.

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  5. RICH by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    beyond the reach of law.

    1. Re:RICH by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Can I just have the upgrade package? If I have to I'd do it like with the TV+Internet bundle I have now, I pay for the "main package" and just not use it, can I do that?

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  6. You insensitive clods by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    I don't need a goddamn suit to know what it feels like to be an old man.

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    1. Re:You insensitive clods by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

      ^^^ This. Exactly. Change nothing. Sorry about your lawn.

    2. Re:You insensitive clods by kencurry · · Score: 1

      Yep; turned 56 this year. Thank you father time for letting me in on the end game.

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    3. Re:You insensitive clods by Nethead · · Score: 1

      I think they should raise the drinking age to 55. You really don't need it until then. And how about a nice 200ct bottle Ibuprofen with each social security check?

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    4. Re:You insensitive clods by timelorde · · Score: 1

      I'd tell you my age in binary, but I can't count that high anymore.

    5. Re:You insensitive clods by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I'd tell you my age in binary, but I can't count that high anymore.

      I tried putting my age in binary into the subject line, but ran afoul of Slashdot's max length limit.

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    6. Re:You insensitive clods by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I think they should raise the drinking age to 55. You really don't need it until then.

      Or lower the Brompton's cocktail age to about 48.

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    7. Re:You insensitive clods by Nethead · · Score: 1

      They did, it's called heroin and late career unemployment with no future job prospects because your job in the warehouse at a company that moved its manufacturing to Mexico is gone, just like all the other companies in your city, and you're too old to become an app developer that works 80 hours a week because you don't understand that shit, and never will. So fuck it, my back hurts from three decades of loading trucks and doctor give me something, and that runs out and you meet up with some high school drop-out that can hook you up. The pain goes away, as does your family. Now you need to get some disabled benefits from the government but that's taking a long time so you finally pick up on some of this new high-tech stuff call ID theft because now you're motivated. After a bit of fun (speedballs and hookers) you do find that the government is willing (insisting) on giving you healthcare, food and housing, and a cell mate.

      God bless America.

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    8. Re:You insensitive clods by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I think they should make drug use legal at age 60ish. I mean, what gives? That stuff is cardiotoxic and might kill me 30 years down the line? So effin' what, if I live to die from the drug side effects I have already won!

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    9. Re:You insensitive clods by KGIII · · Score: 1

      111010

      It has been a minute since I've done binary in my head - at least that high. That should be 58. I did a few conversions today but those only went to five. ;-)

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    10. Re:You insensitive clods by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Some of us had a very different outcome by sheer shit luck. I'm down to just a couple of sub strips a day. *sighs* I've got money, too. I've got connects. I can hook up with a 500 ct *case* of Duragesics in a day or two. Maybe a little less, I'm down south for the winter. Subs don't even make me nod.

      Hmm... Email is available. It's up next to my username. I miss the process more than anything. Extracting the fent from the mylar patches, the candle, getting tied off, fishing 'cause I've flat and rolling veins, finally flagging, and then the warm blanket of bliss.

      I was a functional user until I retired. I sold my business and retired at 50. Well, technically 49 but I was fully divested in the now-parent company at 50 - so I call 50 the retirement year, it's easier than it is to explain it all. Worse, I drank back then too. I've been done drinking for years now but the H and I just parted ways (again) only about a year ago. Actually, I never preferred the H. I wanted the fent patches as soon as I heard that's what was killing people - back in the 80s. What sort of fucking sick and demented thinking is that? "Oh, shit! It's killing people. Yeah, I want some."

      But, I was always pretty smart (if one can be) with it. You can put more in but you can't take it out. *sighs* Here I am, tolerance of an elephant, and getting old and not a damned thing I can take for it without some seriously possible negative outcomes. I can't say I didn't have fun. I can't say it didn't (surprisingly) end up pretty good.

      Yeah, if you feel like swapping war stories, or whatever, the email's there.

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    11. Re:You insensitive clods by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      They did, it's called heroin

      The health risks of heroin are not from the drug itself, but from the legal system.

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    12. Re:You insensitive clods by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I was puzzled by an April Fool "Achievement: Member of the 10001 Digit (binary) UID Club" message. Um, it's been a while since I did any programming but isn't 5 decimal for 101? Is there a number system wher 10001 equals decimal 5?

    13. Re:You insensitive clods by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Mine's 10100, which is 20.

      Your's is 10001, which is 17. (16, 8, 4, 2, 1 - one in the 1's place and one in the 16 column = 17.)

      I have no clue what it is about - and I'm a mathematician. On the other hand, I'm not all that creative. So, I'm probably missing something obvious.

      Hmm... Count the number of positive mods for the day, maybe? (I've no idea.)

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  7. I ordered one a while back by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

    It took my tailor 60 years to make.

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    1. Re:I ordered one a while back by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And now it's all wrinkled!

      Oh. Wait, that's my birthday suit.

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  8. That's why I'll kill myself at 80 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No point in sitting around waiting to die, hoping the money lasts.

  9. Some older people are more "bad-ass" than others. by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 1
  10. Re:B**Sht** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bullshit.

    Not bullshit that he did it, bullshit that just anyone could. You've got to have the right combination of genetics to make it to 82 in the first place, not everybody has that.

    And almost nobody has the ability to set a record. That's why it's a record, not the standard.

    It takes a combination of effort and luck. Without both, you're screwed.

  11. Re:B**Sht** by theGhostPony · · Score: 1

    I concur, this is just so much bullshit. My grandfather, just your average middle class working stiff enjoyed every moment of his life until his passing at 89.

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  12. You are only as old as you feel by markdavis · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, I feel like I am 100.

  13. Re:B**Sht** by bagboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Perhaps some genetics play into it, be he started walking 10+ miles a day at 60. At 49, I run a 5k in 22 minutes. I've been running for 8 years - I didn't start out at that. Do I have aches and pains? Yes. But far fewer than when I first started. Your body will inevitably break down, but lack of attention to it will accelerate that process.

  14. They borrowed this from car manufacturers by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1
  15. Won't sell by mark-t · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about a suit that lets old people feel like to be young again?

    Now *THAT* there'd be a real market for.

    1. Re:Won't sell by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      If I were wealthy and one of my heirs bought me this thing, I'd cut the fucker off...

    2. Re: Won't sell by MarkH · · Score: 1

      One of the most seriously overlooked parts of VR is exactly that. Has the potential to offer folk with limited mobility, sight or hearing a vast new opportunity.

  16. Use analog technology instead by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Instead of expensive tech-suits, just let somebody beat the shit out of you. The next morning you will feel 100.

  17. They forgot at least one Newman in the story by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    Alfred P, of course. But I'm not worried.

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  18. How 'bout the reverse? by killfixx · · Score: 1

    A suit that makes old people feel young!! That would be swell!

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    1. Re:How 'bout the reverse? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The business model is "How do old people experience our product / our store / our ad campaign / our ..."

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  19. who needs a suit by renegade600 · · Score: 1

    who needs a suit - I already know...

  20. Re:B**Sht** -The SCAREY part: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    His body outlasted his mind.

  21. Old age by clovis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Old age, as my almost 90 dad says, "sure beats the alternative".

    I don't mind my failing body and mind so far. For me, it's not about the car, it's about the trip.
    I've seen some cool things happen over the years, and I want to see more.

    I wonder what it was like for my grandparents to see all this. They were born in the 1800's and lasted until the 1970's
    No cars, no radio, no airplanes, no refrigerators, no air conditioning, no electric lights, no telephone. Only the well to do had heat other than a fire in a box.
    My grandmothers could not legally vote when they were young women.
    Can you imagine how cool it was to see all that come into life?

    As for me, I was 6 years old the first time I saw a television. I still think it's cool in so many ways.
    I was a teenager when I saw a computer in use for the first time. I believe it was a GE 200 series.
    At about that time, the USA had more nuclear weapons than computers.

    There were no satellites yet.
    I basically saw the entire space program unfold from start to present. Except when sputnik was launched; I don't recall the actual event. I remember people talking about it later.
    Everyone in the neighborhood (suburbian) went outside at night to watch Echo 1 pass overhead. Street lights were still a rarity outside the central city areas. We could see the milky way any clear night, so spotting satellites wasn't hard.

    I saw the first man step onto the moon live on TV.

    I saw the Berlin wall come down and the Soviet Union collapse.
    We're seeing China transform from an anthill slave society into ... well, we'll see what happens.

    I grew up in the totally segregated south and saw the civil rights movement happen, and I saw how much individual people can change.
    Humanity, when it's working right, is amazing.

    The most recent doctor that treated me in the hospital is a black woman. Inconceivable in the 1950's in the South, or come to think of it, pretty much anywhere in the USA.

    I remember a 1950's science fiction story where everyone was telepathic. Knowing everyone else's thoughts all the time was a living nightmare.
    Thanks to Facebook, texting, etc, we nearly have that now.

    I really don't mind so much that I can no longer sleep on one side because it hurts too much to sleep, or that I cannot plan when to go to the bathroom, or that I need the subtitles turned on to understand British television...

    There are so many interesting things happening, and thanks to growing up in the 20th century, the whole terrorism thing is, well, shrug, so what, to me.

    I'm betting on something like CRISPR/cas9 to be the next "who knew we could do that?" technology. This is going to be way cool.
    I'm hoping to see mosquitoes extinct, or at least the ones attracted to humans.

    There was a 1958 movie "The Long Hot Summer". It had Paul Newman, Joanne Woodward, Orson Wells, etc.
    If you saw it, you'll remember the closing lines from Will Varner standing in front of his burning barn.
    It's like that.

    1. Re:Old age by Tomster · · Score: 1

      You sound much like my dad, who lived to be 94 (and passed away last year). He had his moments of doubt, having seen WWII and growing up during the Great Depression, but he was always amazed and impressed at the things we (humanity) accomplished in his lifetime.

      If you and I live another 30 years we'll see incredible accomplishments and changes. Here's to the future!

    2. Re:Old age by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You think?

      I mean, look at the change between 1960 and 1970. We went from "we finally got a man off this rock" to "we put a man on the fucking moon!"

      Now look at 2000 to 2010. Well?

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  22. Web designers by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Any web designer who ever uses light gray text on a slightly darker gray background or a font less than 10 pt should be forced to wear the vision fader for a month at least.

    1. Re:Web designers by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Any web designer who ever uses light gray text on a slightly darker gray background or a font less than 10 pt should be forced to wear the vision fader for a month at least.

      The problem lies with them, not you.

      Articles will often be presented in 8-pt text, but text in any ads will be 36-pt. And images will span the entire browser window.

      Command-+ (or Control-+) in most browsers will magnify all text and re-wrap, usually.

    2. Re:Web designers by tomhath · · Score: 1

      Font size is a nuisance but can be adjusted. Low contrast text is very difficult to read. Brown on beige, dark blue on light blue, etc.

    3. Re:Web designers by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Font size is a nuisance but can be adjusted. Low contrast text is very difficult to read. Brown on beige, dark blue on light blue, etc.

      If you have a Mac, you can flip on 'high-contrast mode' with a keystroke.

      You shouldn't have to, of course, but that's web designers for you.

    4. Re:Web designers by sjames · · Score: 1

      No exceptions!

    5. Re:Web designers by sjames · · Score: 1

      Chrome also has a high contrast extension available. It's good that workarounds exist, but they could at least ATTEMPT to consider readability/usability in their work. It's as if they forgot why the website exists in the first place.

    6. Re:Web designers by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      It's as if they forgot why the website exists in the first place.

      The web designers did forget. Long ago.

      Remember the "Punch the Monkey" banner ads? My first encounter was in 1999. In those days, before blockers, I kept a physical post-it note on the side of my monitor, ready to slap over that idiot animation, just so I could read the page's text. Before that, in, say, 1994 or 5, at least AOL's ads were always in the same place, so you could safely leave the post-it semi-permanently on the offending spot.

      Ever since then, in web designers never-ending quest to one-up each other, or for web-designer packages to out-do each other, things have continued their slide. YouTube now uses the same idea in some of their over-video text ads—the "(X)" disappears once you mouse over it.

      It doesn't help that the marketing department & management are always pushing for company websites to be more 'interactive', 'relevant', 'predictive', or 'bleeding-edge' THAN EVAR!11!!1!

      I run one browser nude, but only to ensure web-compatibility of a certain project's interface with standard browsers. (I'm not a web designer.) Whenever using someone else's computer, every time, I am gob-smacked at the number of flashy, blinky, popover, click-trap, and content over-hovering ads that show up. Out come the post-its, as they did just today, as the bottom-crawlers of a recorded TV news broadcast couldn't be blanked by any other means.

  23. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  24. Re:Know your audience by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

    I would guess mostly between 32-60. We are young at heart though. We play with shiny, blinky, clicky toys. Young hearts push Fox news off cliff when not looking.

  25. You unsensitive clods by MrKaos · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Growing up as a geek, I was also really physical. I've played a life of physical sports, like hockey, soccer, football (touch in stead of tackle though), swimming, body surfing, hiking, hunting and climbing, fantastic stuff. Ironically it balances the mental effort I put into electronics and coding and I found I could focus really well.

    My true love of physical activity has been Martial Arts. Throughout my 20's and 30's I did Thai boxing and during training the conditioning involved full power kicks and punches all over the body. When I was in my late 30's I could still do the splits, back flip and I was playing soccer when I snapped an achillies tendon, facing a wheel chair and cronic pain syndrome. It took almost three years to be able to walk again and significant determination to do so. I learned alot about physiotherapy and mental determination from sport was . Team sport were over for me, the balistic impacts were from other player. I was able to resume martial arts, currently BJJ, which is like physical chess, I love it. I got to competitition level, competed - only minor titles, but enough to test myself.

    Over a decade later this activity has led to injuries all over the body that causes all sorts of aches and pains. Over the last couple of years (I diarise injuries) I noted that the *rate* of injuries progressing, recovery time longer. I was still training. My physical strength was still excellent and I'm able to fight guys 20-30 years younger, however I often noticed that strength could exceed my joints. Control was very important, pain was all over my body and, I noticed that I had pretty severe internal scarring accumulated in my muscles. Knots in my back so tight and painful that the physios elbow was into it and his feet were off the ground, and still I needed more pressure. Similar things around the rest of my body. I came to the conclusion that it was time to look at the state of my body.

    I talked to my doctor who was surprised when I bought in my data that I had diarised and showed him some of the relationships I'd found, I was pressing him to authorize more physiotherapy. He did and with the assistance of another doctor and two physio therapists (both with Masters themselves who treat currently competing athletes) my body became a bit of an experiment. Dry needling is the main therapy used and over the past two years, I've stopped all training and physical activity and had over 4000 needles stuck into almost every muscle, joint and, tendon in my body. Sometimes 50 needles at a time.

    That resulted in various odd and often very painful releases of scar tissue, intense periods of repeated joint cavitaion (cracking) in almost every joint in my body. Joints would go through periods of bone ossification and reform for weeks. One major event involved my left elbow. I was ashen grey, my left arm was numb and my chest constricted, but I wasn't having a heart attack. Instead my elbow released 10-20 degrees of movement, it swelled to almost the size of my knee down to my wrist in a session of 60-100 cavitations of the elbow over six hours. It was exhausting, I'm not sure if I was in shock, but I felt very ill for a few days. After that, I felt amazing, I had been carrying scarring from that injury (I broke my wrist in a fight once) for almost 20 years.

    I'm almost at the end of this therapy, a process that uncovered 24 major injuries in my body each releasing with a intensity varying upto what I described above and currently the physios are trying to re-allign my hips, which will probably be the final and most painful cavitaion I've been slowly working up to.

    I'm more physically out of shape than I have been because of intentional de-conditioning of the body however, I feel great. I'm middle aged now and I can still not only touch my toes, but stand on my fingers and I'm working my way back to doing the splits. A couple of weeks ago I woke up, got in the shower and realized there was no more pain. As a bonus, I'm also not as grumpy as I used to be and my mind is much cl

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    1. Re:You unsensitive clods by KGIII · · Score: 1

      The best physical therapist I have ever had was actually a PhD chiropractor who had spent much of his career working with professional wrestlers. I did a lot of stupid things growing up and spent a total of eight years enlisted in the Marines as a way to pay for my education. Sometimes, just thinking about moving hurts. I'm actually in pretty good shape, all things considered. I'm still really active but damn, I really need to keep up the therapy and I don't.

      I preferred electricity to needles, however. I tried the needles (I'm not the least bit adverse to them) but I found the electrical stimulation, massage, therapy, and the tub the most helpful - when coupled with the appropriate therapy. I'm missing a meniscus, have multiple old breaks, a torn ligament, a shredded shoulder that I won't let them operate on, and more. However, I'm mobile and all that - it just hurts. ;-)

      It'd hurt a lot less if I did the therapy. I hunt, fish, hike, garden, work in the woods, work on cars, and have a woodworking shop as another hobby so it's not like I'm sedentary. I just should be doing some very specific exercises that aren't really covered in my daily activities and I should be going in and getting fixed up more often. But, I'm a busy(ish) person and haven't bothered doing nearly as much as I should. My wrists are toast - both broken and one with a major RSI. Ankles are gone, knees are gone (they want to replace one - screw that), neck and back are full of arthritis to the point where they crack and pop constantly, and one shoulder is toast.

      But, I function. ;-)

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    2. Re:You unsensitive clods by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      You might understand better if it is in order:

      What the fuck triggered the event?

      The tissues involved are called the fascia and they carry nerves of the parasympathetic nervous system (IIUC). Generally as the muscles move they slip and slide on this tissue. The scarring causes them to stick and that creates the knots in your muscle. That's what the needles get stuck into.

      That week we had been sticking needles in an extremely tight part of my back next to my spine, under my shoulder blades and between the two bones of the fore arm lying flat with the hand open. It really fucken hurts when they hit the right spot, but the relief is almost instant and for about four days later (for me) the scar tissue breaks up. I'm never quite sure what will release until a few days later. It comes on like a cold numbness and the only way to relieve that is to stretch it for a few minutes and a cycle of cavitation begins. Then the joint in question starts cavitating and that process takes hours.

      What the fuck caused the swelling?

      The process of the bones in my forearm moving over a range of movement in the elbow that they hadn't for 18 years. The doctor told me it was the bursa (a small padding on the elbow) that had swollen. There was no other physical activity occurring. As best we can tell the elbow was injured at the same time as the wrist was broken. There was also a hockey injury further up the left arm where I got tripped by a back when attacking for goal and caught the boot of the goal keeper mid-kick on my collar bone as he was defending, so there was a lot of scar tissue there that hadn't been treated.

      What happens to the scar tissue that's released?

      The muscle tension in the knots releases from the extremities to the spine within the fascia, usually a joint closer to the spine has to be treated however you can feel the knots move and the muscle spasm for a few days before the cavitation starts. They day after, it feels like I have a flu, I notice that my urine is a bit stinky however we had to wait until the swelling went down to get another blood sample for comparison and I don't have those results of that yet.

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    3. Re:You unsensitive clods by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      ... Knots in my back so tight and painful that the physios elbow was into it and his feet were off the ground, and still I needed more pressure. ...

      Get trigger-point injections if you have muscle spasms again. A step above acupuncture, it's a shot right into the muscle, slowly injecting a little bit of saline+lidocaine. Both you and the physician will feel the release, for sure! It's much better than release via physio, which can bruise or worse when repeated over years.

      For acupuncture, make sure the person is also an MD.

    4. Re:You unsensitive clods by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Get trigger-point injections if you have muscle spasms again. A step above acupuncture, it's a shot right into the muscle, slowly injecting a little bit of saline+lidocaine. Both you and the physician will feel the release, for sure!

      Isn't that wet needling? I'll ask the doctor about that one as well - thank you.

      The needles they put in now certainly release the muscles, I don't really know how much more I could take. I had needles between C1, my skull, in my temple and lower in my neck (three damn neck injuries!) for spasms that affected my eyesight. I think my yeeoooowww! blew the windows out of the the therapy room the day they got that one in my neck - I was sick for a week after that - however the eye hasn't spasmed since. The focal range changed from 850mm to 650mm to see a 1mm mark - so hopefully I'll get similar results in the other eye next.

      It's much better than release via physio, which can bruise or worse when repeated over years.

      For acupuncture, make sure the person is also an MD.

      It was the MD who recommended the physios, so I went with that. I do bruise and bleed when the needles go into very tight muscle but, yeah with the deep tissue massage the bruising could be bad *if* they didn't slip off the muscle - which when they did *hurt like a motherfucker*, the needles are far more accurate when the physio hits the target. Sometimes they miss and you can feel the needle kind of bounce and slide down a wall of hard muscle and you know they will have to try again.

      The most confronting place is needling the arches of the feet, however I have to otherwise the hips don't release when they traction the leg. Sometimes I fall asleep when they do my neck, the relief is that intense.

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    5. Re:You unsensitive clods by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      You're welcome.

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    6. Re:You unsensitive clods by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I notice that my urine is a bit stinky

      Wow...that means a lot of proteins breaking down and being excreted over a very short time. Most people only experience that when they overeat on meat. I didn't know that could happen from an event like that.

    7. Re:You unsensitive clods by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      I notice that my urine is a bit stinky

      Wow...that means a lot of proteins breaking down and being excreted over a very short time. Most people only experience that when they overeat on meat. I didn't know that could happen from an event like that.

      Thanks, I didn't realize that was significant, I'll let them know.

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    8. Re:You unsensitive clods by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Get trigger-point injections if you have muscle spasms again. A step above acupuncture, it's a shot right into the muscle, slowly injecting a little bit of saline+lidocaine. Both you and the physician will feel the release, for sure!

      Isn't that wet needling? I'll ask the doctor about that one as well - thank you.

      The needles they put in now certainly release the muscles, I don't really know how much more I could take. I had needles between C1, my skull, in my temple and lower in my neck (three damn neck injuries!) for spasms that affected my eyesight. I think my yeeoooowww!

      Yeah, the first release of any long-term spasm-ed muscle gives a really strong kick. Have the TPI done weekly at first, and then taper to every 2 or 4 weeks.

      A muscle, once un-spasm-ed, can get some proper blood flow. It will also do its job, and not offload work to its neighbors. Eventually, after the physician plays whack-a-mole with the "worst 8" on each visit, things will begin to settle down.

      Physio after releases is far more effective than doing it with them. Also, buy a Pilates Reformer for your home (mobility and slow-controlled muscle exertion). Don't buy a knock-off, but the real thing, made of wood by the original designer. Look on cragislist or ebay. $2000 is expensive, but after a few years, I sold mine for about the same $$$$ I paid for it, when it was longer needed.

    9. Re:You unsensitive clods by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      The best physical therapist I have ever had was actually a PhD chiropractor who had spent much of his career working with professional wrestlers.

      Yep, I forgot to mention there are also two Chiropractors adjusting me, though at a much lower frequency than before. On is a really big bloke who cavitates my back when the tension reaches the spine and it is really bound up, the other a lady with more finess and accuracy in her adjustments. The pain is pretty unbearable as you go through it. I had knots in my back so bad they woke me up at 4am for months and I could not get back to sleep.

      I did a lot of stupid things growing up and spent a total of eight years enlisted in the Marines as a way to pay for my education. Sometimes, just thinking about moving hurts. I'm actually in pretty good shape, all things considered. I'm still really active but damn, I really need to keep up the therapy and I don't.

      Personally, I got to the stage where I was sick of it and asked myself what I could do. I had to admit to myself that if I don't pay the piper now, it will just be worse later.

      I preferred electricity to needles, however. I tried the needles (I'm not the least bit adverse to them) but I found the electrical stimulation, massage, therapy, and the tub the most helpful - when coupled with the appropriate therapy.

      Tens machine, yep I have a home unit, but the physio's units are more powerful - another thing I can just sleep to. Ultrasonic is pretty good too.

      I'm missing a meniscus, have multiple old breaks, a torn ligament, a shredded shoulder that I won't let them operate on, and more. However, I'm mobile and all that - it just hurts. ;-)

      It'd hurt a lot less if I did the therapy.

      I'd say you probably have a lot of scar tissue throughout your muscles. I can tell you from them sticking needles into my shoulders from two AC joint ruptures that it's hard work. For me the entire right shoulder cavitated as a single unit. The relief was indescribable.

      I hunt, fish, hike, garden, work in the woods, work on cars, and have a woodworking shop as another hobby so it's not like I'm sedentary.

      I've imposed a sedentary period onto myself for a little while I de-condition and dig through my old muscles trying to figure out where the injuries are. That's hard to do when training as the muscle soreness makes it hard to tell what is injury and what is just sore from work-out. I love that work-out soreness, but to get to the really deep damage I have to lie still and try to work it out when it is not obvious.

      I just should be doing some very specific exercises that aren't really covered in my daily activities and I should be going in and getting fixed up more often. But, I'm a busy(ish) person and haven't bothered doing nearly as much as I should. My wrists are toast - both broken and one with a major RSI. Ankles are gone, knees are gone (they want to replace one - screw that), neck and back are full of arthritis to the point where they crack and pop constantly, and one shoulder is toast.

      But, I function. ;-)

      Yep, been there, fortunately with less broken bones, it's called crepitus. *Every* joint cavitated on me, especially the most injured. I bet you've got a lot of sore knots in your muscles that are always just there. I asked the question, how would I feel if all of those were gone? Sticking a needle in those means the joints will cavitate like crazy until it is sore and then some time later (relative to how bad the injury was a day, a week) the joint movement will be smooth and free of 'crepitus'.

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    10. Re:You unsensitive clods by KGIII · · Score: 1

      To your closing sentiment, I'd say, "You can't even imagine..." Except, you probably can - you might be worse than I. I got *HUGE* for a while - muscular. That didn't last. I've always been really tight and generally remained fit but I didn't *maintain* a whole lot of physical fitness. I doubt I have as much scar tissue - far less sparring, far less time in a gym, and more time with the "right" kind of exercise - sort of. That ended. ;-)

      I should add, in case you're confused, the chiropractor that I speak of was not a wrestler himself. No, he's just a fairly tiny fella. He's also not that fit. No, he worked ON the wrestlers. He was their sports therapist. I'm not sure if you're confused or not - so I figured I'd make that clear. I might not have been clear enough the first time around.

      Also, yes, a tens unit. I have on from the VA. Technically, I have three from the VA. I'm not sure if this is valuable information for you but let me see if I can help there.

      They actually are pretty good, except for one - I'm not home to check the brand. I have a *very* expensive one that I bought in another country - they're supposed to be (or were supposed to be) prescription only as a medical device? Something like that. That's now changed, by the way. At any rate, I paid an outlandish sum for a very nice one. But, this is the important part - I think? I'm not sure how valid it is and I'm not sure if it's State or Federal regulations. However, I believe you can now legally (you've been able to do it online for a while - sans prescription, I've looked a few times back when I was in pain) buy your own and don't need a prescription - at least in Maine. (More on that in a minute.)

      I'd already had one from the VA at that point but it was pretty timid. Whatever the highest voltage is, was nothing. The contacts were lousy. That's why I bought the nice one. And that was pretty nice for a while but then the VA wanted me to try another so they gave it to me. This wasn't all that long ago - just a couple of years ago. I actually had to turn the first one back in. It's also important to note that I tried to buy one legally here in the US but nobody sold them - I was able to pick up the nice one at a pharmacy in Canada, my home is not far from the border. It was pretty expensive - even with real dollars. ;-)

      Now it gets more confusing. So, I had the one. That one, and the one I had purchased in Canada, are classed as medical devices and regulated or, as far as I understand, were regulated at the time. They're both pretty old now.

      So, the VA gave me a second one but I had to turn in the first one. There was no prescription involved, I went home with it that day. They sent me new contacts and they wouldn't fit. So, they mailed me a second one (now the third). They never asked for the first one back and told me to not bother bringing it back when I asked about it.

      Now, the second one (technically the third - or 4th if you're counting mine) was also different but the contacts fit and I had a whole bunch - but the belt is Velcro and sucked. I mentioned it and they sent me a whole new one. This means they're really cheap now - by the way. It also means that they're no longer being classified as medical devices, by somebody.

      But, here's the thing... I told you this was the confusing part... Starting with the first new one, it's pretty powerful. The two that I have after that are virtually identical but the model number is slightly different. The contacts are universal between them. They fit in the same holster so they can be carried in a few different ways. They're made by the same vendor but the second of those two, the newest one, feels like it might be even stronger than the one that's a slightly older model.

      In other words, that's my experience with some that I have had that were take-home/owned. They appear to no longer be classified as medical devices. They also appear to be upping the voltage. The package probably tells me, somewhere in the documentation, w

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    11. Re: You unsensitive clods by omnichad · · Score: 1

      mercaptan is a whole separate subject - a completely different thing that causes smells.

    12. Re:You unsensitive clods by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the first release of any long-term spasm-ed muscle gives a really strong kick. Have the TPI done weekly at first, and then taper to every 2 or 4 weeks.

      They certainly do, however there is a fair amount of damage and, though I feel like I am close to the end, it has taken about 18months to 2 years to get this far at once a week, sometimes twice a week when things are releasing.

      A muscle, once un-spasm-ed, can get some proper blood flow. It will also do its job, and not offload work to its neighbors. Eventually, after the physician plays whack-a-mole with the "worst 8" on each visit, things will begin to settle down.

      I asked the physio about that a day or two ago. Where I live it's only legal if a physician does it, so next time I see the doc I will ask him - thanks again.

      I'm more like "worst 16". Even then there have been 24 injury sites now functioning in exactly the way you describe, so I am experiencing similar results. I feel much stronger now and even though I'm waaaaay out of shape, I can do full bruce lee style push-ups on two fingers, which I couldn't do before, so I am looking forward to seeing what the rest of my body can do. Even just warming up I was about to pull moves I haven't been able to do for decades, so I'm pretty happy with it. I can dance all funky again too!

      The hardest thing is finding the point to needle and was wondering about TPI, if you could help me, do they have to be less accurate when they pick the spot? Does injecting the saline/lidocaine mean they just have to get right on or just near the point?

      Physio after releases is far more effective than doing it with them.

      I believe you however the TPI is less accessible than dry needling where I am. I do have a selection of the needle diameter though, the thicker needles might be easier for them to aim. Are you saying follow up the TPI with dry needling?

      Also, buy a Pilates Reformer for your home (mobility and slow-controlled muscle exertion). Don't buy a knock-off, but the real thing, made of wood by the original designer. Look on cragislist or ebay. $2000 is expensive, but after a few years, I sold mine for about the same $$$$ I paid for it, when it was longer needed.

      I've done Pilaties, because it's cheap. Is there a specific benefit in buying the machine over a routine of non impact stretch exercises that you mean here?

      I really appreciate your insights.

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    13. Re:You unsensitive clods by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Sorry it took a bit to reply KGlll

      To your closing sentiment, I'd say, "You can't even imagine..." Except, you probably can - you might be worse than I. I got *HUGE* for a while - muscular. That didn't last. I've always been really tight and generally remained fit but I didn't *maintain* a whole lot of physical fitness. I doubt I have as much scar tissue - far less sparring, far less time in a gym, and more time with the "right" kind of exercise - sort of. That ended. ;-)

      I love doing weight training, I'm constantly trying to evolve my mind, physique, so I plan on weights after the last of the scar tissue. I started at 68Kg got to 96kg(unfit after surgery), then dropped to 85kg which is my ideal fight weight. When I am there I am a weapon.

      Some of our trainers were also Marine trainers for the for knife, stick and machette. Respect, but you guys smash yourselves, so maybe learning some of the healing side of martial arts would be useful. I think you should try it, it will hurt, but it's probably nothing you haven't already experienced when bulking up.

      Also, yes, a tens unit.

      I like the ones that have the big vacuum pump driven suction pumps with a big stainless steel contact in them -aaaaaaahhhhhh, joy!!!

      The thing is, I start with the therapy and I feel pretty good. So, I'm retarded. I stop. I feel fine, why continue? I know that I should continue but I don't. I did mention that I'm retarded, yes? So, even if it's just by me demonstrating what not to do, if you're ever in doubt - stick with the therapy EVEN if you have to do it as best as possible at home or with the aid of a loved one. But keep it up.

      Thank you. I don't think your experiences are any different from many, but I had to decide for myself, 'NO MORE'. I felt fine too, but I still could feel stuff. So I set myself a mission of completing *everything*.

      A release event happened on the weekend. It came on exactly as I described and I captured the data. It started at 1pm and ended a 6pm, non-stop stretch, cavitation, rest. I was sweating and feeling sick, my wife saw it and was laughing and stirring me at first - but then after the third hour she saw, yeah this is real as she could see the distress on my face. That's because it's really confronting and you can feel the scar tissue collapsing, if you don't stretch it and get rid of it, the cold numb goes on. It's weird but it feels like the body takes over and I'm a passenger for a while.

      That was Sunday, and I just confirmed the 25th injury. My left big toe has been twisted maybe 10-20 degrees for at least a decade. Well that untwisted, and fuuuuccckkk me did it hurt. I wanted to vomit and when it was done, I slept 12 hours. It was kind of numb for a couple of days and now I can clearly see that my toe no longer fits in the wear patterns of my shoes. I know it will hurt for a few more days however walking is easier, the joint is smoother and there is no longer a sensation to try to cavitate the joint all the time.

      Be VERY aware that fat comes quick, as does atrophy.

      Yeah, I was prepared for that. It's pretty uncomfortable I'm about 5kg over fight weight. I don't know how people can just pile it on - I can't stand the feeling of it just sitting there. I went back to training for a week mid treatment because I missed it so much - I injured my lower back because the body was still out of balance, however, even then I noticed my movement was much smoother, faster and I could pull holds I haven't been able to do for 20 years. That was about 10 months ago.

      Listen to your body and then listen to your doctor and therapists. If they're good, they'll give you good advice and help.

      They seem to be learning as well, however you are right and I do.

      I don't know exactly what you mean by "sedentary period."

      Intentionally *de*conditioning the body s

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    14. Re:You unsensitive clods by KGIII · · Score: 1

      > Thank you for the advice too, it is appreciated.

      No probablwn. I did my best to make sure that it was no just for you but for others who might read the thread. I've seen people injure themselves, go back to their regular schedule almost immediately It seldom ends well. There's nothing wrong with using a gym while injured, it's just how you use it, how much you stress yourself, and what you expect to be able to do.

      I blew out my right should. I used to be able tot throw a baseball a nearly 100 M/h. I can probably hurt myself and hit the 90s again for a grand total of 3 times. I'm spore at 75 MP/h.

      At any rate. Much of what I wrote was for others. Not just to you. You should drop me an email. I know someone who can probably opine accurately.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
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  27. Re:How does it simulate a perpetually soft cock? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    For this time of life, there are the Three Nevers:

    1. Never pass up a urinal;
    2. Never trust a fart;
    3. Never waste an erection.

  28. Re:How does it simulate a perpetually soft cock? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Just as a FYI, about half the people on this planet don't even have a cock."

    But how many of those will you find on Slashdot?

  29. Re:Some older people are more "bad-ass" than other by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    My mother still runs a business at age 94.

  30. Least popular ride at Epcot by istartedi · · Score: 1

    Least popular ride at Epcot. 'nuff said.

    If this isn't an April Fools joke, what's wrong with people? You can't simulate the gradual adjustment to conditions. People who *suddenly* lose something go through that whole process that ends with acceptance. With aging, you have a long time to accept it. It's not like putting on a stupid suit.

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  31. Well, sometimes by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

    "Watching your friends die off."

    Actually, watching my friends pass away is way better than the alternative- having them watch me pass away. I don't like going to funerals but I'd rather go to theirs than they go to mine.

    As far as I'm concerned, one of the better parts of getting older is watching your enemies die off. I confess, that's given me quite a bit of pleasure so far. :)

    I suppose I should feel bad about it, but I really don't. Every time one of them dies I feel a renewed sense of vigor and satisfaction. "Yipee, I out lived that fucking asshole, yay for ME!" And I have a drink. Not in their memory, but just because I can. :)

    So fuck you, Mike W., James P., and Jerry L. You're all dead and I'm still eating bacon sandwiches and banging my lovely young wife. Suck it, boys. Oh, that's right, you can't- because you're dead. ha ha ha ha!

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  32. Re:How does it simulate a perpetually soft cock? by clovis · · Score: 1

    "Just as a FYI, about half the people on this planet don't even have a cock."

    But how many of those will you find on Slashdot?

    lol, You win this one.

  33. Re:How does it simulate a perpetually soft cock? by dryeo · · Score: 1

    Mostly the ones who made a conscious decision to not have a cock.

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  34. Nice by Rob.Schneider92 · · Score: 1

    Nice post, it was worth reading and enjoyed reading it.

  35. You know - I could have told you this for free. by choke · · Score: 1

    Kids these days.

    If I could go back in time to my younger self, I would have told him -

    "Don't change a thing, you're awesome. Word of warning though, all those bones you're breaking are going to hurt later. Also, buy Ericsson-LG in 2001"

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    "No good deed goes unpunished"
  36. FAT SUIT? by llzackll · · Score: 1

    fat suit?

  37. I know what it's like to feel old! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Wake me when they make a suit that makes you feel young again. THAT would be news!

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  38. Re:Why? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    I think the application is more in the area of "What would it be like for an old person to use your product?"

    What's the experience of an old person with your new cellphone? What's it like for them to walk through your shopping mall?

    And, of course, what do you have to change to appeal more to the old geezers who are pretty much the only people left who have money to spend?

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  39. Re:Do yourself a favor by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Capricorn 15's. Born 2244. Enter the Carousel. This is the time of renewal.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  40. Re:Being old: everything hurts by KGIII · · Score: 2

    I am 58. People look at me funny when the subject comes up and I say that I don't really want to live past 70. I'm kind of good with 65, really. I don't want to live forever - even if I were to retain good health. I'm currently in excellent health, according to my doctor and all the tests, but I'm still good with 70. By then, it'll be time for me to get out of the way and make room for the next person, so it's all good.

    I do kind of wonder what will happen to my digital assets. I'll have to script some sort of bot to keep posting novellas long after I'm dead and gone. Hell, I can just recycle old posts, based on keywords, and still be topical on Slashdot. I just have to scrape all of my old posts, index 'em, and then scan for new threads. There should be enough material in there to go for another dozen years and nobody will even know the difference.

    Someday, someone'll realize, "Hey, wait a minute... Shouldn't you be 114 by now?" My great grand kids (none of which do I have at this point) will get to watch it and think it's the greatest troll ever. Or maybe one of 'em will be "me" online when I'm dead and gone. Probably not...

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    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  41. People are already feeling like they don't matter by Tyr07 · · Score: 1

    You don't need to be old to feel like you're just a number in someone else rich life.

  42. Re:Some older people are more "bad-ass" than other by KGIII · · Score: 1

    I really, really want to take the low-hanging fruit for a reply and post it as an AC but I'll be the better man - today.

    Still, that's pretty awesome.

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    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  43. That's why I want to start doing exercsie, all-out by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    That's why I want to start doing exercise, 5-10 hours a week. I'm 46, look like 38, have 10 years of performing Arts, only ride Bike, walk and use PT. I've been doing Tango for 8 years and started Yoga this year. I slumped on it the last six weeks but I'm getting back to 3-5 per week on Monday. Sensei Ueshiba, founder of Aikido was doing Aikido daily just up to the age of 83, weeks before he died.

    Shaolin Monks can do splits, unassisted, at the age of 80+ and on Okinawa you've got men aged 76 starting to train for marthons because they're bored.

    Good diet (Palo/slow Carb), permanent exercise, cult of less, stoic/student lifestyle and part-time with enough time for all that with fun contrast Programms. Plus systematic and persistent muscle Training/workout from the age of 50.

    That's what keeps you up and healthy until the day your time is up.

    I'm not scared about getting old, but I sure as hell don't want to become a whimp about it.

    My 2 cents.

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    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
  44. Re:How does it simulate a perpetually soft cock? by flopsquad · · Score: 1

    ... and new Cialis FSB is here to help you with all three!

    [Energetic 70-somethings dance and laugh on an outdoor, string-bulb-lit dance floor as a jazz band plays]

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    Nothing posted to /. has ever been legal advice, including this.
  45. 10 minutes? by tomhath · · Score: 1

    Awwww. Poor baby, his back hurt for a few minutes so now he knows all about aging. Maybe he should start smoking cigarettes so he won't get old.

  46. I have an idea for a futuristic suit by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    It would be filed against every tech company that practices age discrimination.

  47. Re:Being old: everything hurts by clovis · · Score: 1

    So you're going to make a Lenny bot for slashdot?
    Kudos to that

  48. Re:Being old: everything hurts by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    Seen on facebook: "Birthdays are like boogers. The more you have, the harder it is to breathe".

    The dummy who came up with this stupid suit doesn't know many elderly, because WE ALL AGE AT DIFFERENT RATES. My mother is 88. She goes bowling twice a week, has no hearing problems and gets around easily. Meanwhile I know a woman who's 70 who looks older than my mom (Mom's brother is in his late nineties). A couple years ago before I retired they had a health screening at work. My vitals were those of a healthy forty year old, and I was 61.

    Eyesight? I had cataract surgery on my left eye in 2006 and have better than 20-20 at all distances. Steroids caused it, will need the other eye done some time.

    CBS News had a thing about aging a couple months ago saying that a forty year old should be able to sit on the floor and get up using only one hand. Gail Norris couldn't do it with both hands and needed help getting up, I can get up with no hands needed and I'm 20 years older than her.

    As to being in pain, I've had arthritis since my teens. It was at its worst from 1971-1973 when I was stationed in that God-forsaken Delaware.

    I do get "senior moments". It's like being stoned without smoking any pot. "Uh, what were we talking about again?"

    This story fits today perfectly - it's my 64th birthday.

  49. When action creaks louder than words by arth1 · · Score: 1

    Pretty much. It's sad when young people in their 40s talk like they have experience with the effects of ageing. They don't. My 40 year old self was an ignoramus too.

    I don't think this suit will simulate it well either. Because you still have the young self beneath the suit, and won't feel the aches and pains of sitting still, or the crunch of a shoulder joint, or the joy of waking up with footcicles, or the fear that if you fall more than two inches, you'll break something.

    The day I realized I was old was when I sat on the bedside, wishing I were lying down.

  50. Re:You are not ready for immortality. by khallow · · Score: 1
    The problem here is your beliefs, not actual babyboomers or whatnot.

    And before any bitter, overly-scared-of-brown-people 60-somethings start whining, I'm quite aware that my own generation and the following generations will be equally reviled for the same thing.

    There's that cognitive dissonance.

    Humanity is absolutely terrible about passing the goddamned baton when they should.

    There's no "should" here.

  51. Re:Being old: everything hurts by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    Surprising. Frederik Pohl wrote for longer than that. His works spanned 75 years. He was ninety four when he published his last novel.

    Personally, I'm not in any hurry to " get out of the way and make room for the next person". At 64 (as of today) I'm having the time of my life. No alarm clock after a lifetime of alarm clocks. Unlimited time to read, to write, to learn, to teach, to create.

    When she was 95 my grandmother told me "I don't know why anybody wants to live to be a hundred. It ain't no fun bein' old." She lived five more miserable years. When I reach that point I'll be looking forward to paradise, but until then, well, as long as I'm happy why would I want to leave?

  52. Re:Being old: everything hurts by Intron · · Score: 1

    David Cronenberg was so far ahead of his time with Videodrome. One of his characters is dead but continues doing talk shows via video clips.

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    Intron: the portion of DNA which expresses nothing useful.
  53. Re:How does it simulate a perpetually soft cock? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    Cialis doesn't work when you're drinking, and that's the only time I ever get laid.

  54. Re:Being old: everything hurts by porges · · Score: 1

    Unlimited time to read, to write, to learn, to teach, to create.

    Time enough at last!

  55. Re:How does it simulate a perpetually soft cock? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Are you referring to tomhudson/BarbaraHudson?

    Don't knock it if you haven't tried it :-)

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  56. Re:Being old: everything hurts by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    I'll be 60 in 2 months, and I want to get into the triple digits. There's still way too much to discover.

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  57. Re:Being old: everything hurts by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Happy birthday :-)

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  58. Re:Being old: everything hurts by KGIII · · Score: 1

    See, I've already accomplished every goal I have. I really have to make meaningful things up to do or I get bored. I've learned enough about all the things I want to know - and enough about some of them to know I don't want to learn more. I've been everywhere I've wanted to go - except North Korea and I only want to go there because they tell me I can't. I own all the things I could ever really want to own - and then some.

    I also don't fear death or anything. I kind of look forward to the respite from daily living. No, I'm not really depressed or anything - nor am I suicidal. I'm just content.

    Dunno how much sense that makes to others but it makes sense to me. ;-)

    I even went out and shuffled a little bit on the dance floor earlier. Yay me... I'd say I'm gonna be sore tomorrow but probably no worse than normal. Life is good and the remainder of the place is now shuffled off to bed.

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    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  59. Re:Being old: everything hurts by KGIII · · Score: 1

    Happy birthday! And I've been living like that since I retired 8 years ago. I've done all the fun things I wanted, etc... I've had fun. Someone else can take my space. Death doesn't scare me. I see it as respite, as peace, as tranquility and sleep. I'm content with life. I'm very happy with what I've accomplished. I've learned all that I wanted, read what I wanted, and even bedded enough women for several of us. ;-)

    Let someone else take over and let me finally get some solid rest. (I don't sleep well, long story. I'm a true insomniac and, to make it worse, I've got sleep apnea. The sleep I get is pretty low-quality and I don't do anything for it and I won't take sleeping medication.)

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    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  60. Re:You are not ready for immortality. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Boomers wanted to run/ruin the world when they were young and stupid too. Remember the hippies? The problem back then, and about the boomers in general, is simply that there are too many of the fuckers. So they kind of get what they want. Now they want their SS and they don't care who ends up broke.

    Face facts: Bernie Sanders is a reactionary. Doesn't want to return to the politics of the 1960s, wants the 1930s.

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    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  61. Re:Being old: everything hurts by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    I get you. It makes total sense. It cheeses me off how much health issues have cut into my life in the last 5 years, keeping me from doing what I want, but I think now even though the eyes won't ever get better and depression is going to continue to be a recurring event, I can work with it instead of against it. 6 months of suckage, then 6 months of good, is survivable. Probably because when it's good, it's like seeing the whole world anew after months of darkness.

    I still have lots of things to do and people to do them to (JOKE). And I want to know how the mess we've made turns out.

    I certainly don't fear death - half the time it looks like the better option, unfortunately. Who knows, maybe they'll find a cure ... :-)

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  62. Re: Being old: everything hurts by DariusMacSean · · Score: 1

    Sorry to hear these things. Don't forget tho you've got a wealth of experience to share. I for one think you have great value to this society. @dariusmacsean

  63. Re: Being old: everything hurts by KGIII · · Score: 1

    Sorry? Oh, don't be. It's absolutely lovely to be well and truly content. To me, that is enlightenment. There are things left for me to do but there's nothing important left. I've accomplished every single one of my meaningful dreams. I've done everything I really want to do. I'm content. I never asked for or expect perfection. I would also say that I never really asked to be "happy." However, I am happy - because I'm content.

    That probably does sound strange to people now that I look at it with a more critical eye. However, imagine - if you can, to be able to say, "Yes. I have done everything I've ever really wanted to do, been everywhere I've really wanted to go, and have everything I can possibly need and no worries about needing anything ever again."

    That's content. To me, that's happiness. There are still things that I will do. There are still accomplishments that I may reach and achievements I may work for but they're not pressing, not important, not essential. I have laughed, I have cried. I have sung, I have danced. I have been foolish and wise. I've been low and I've been high. I've been inebriated and I've been sober.

    How many people, truly introspective people, can look at their lives and say that they've done everything they want? That doesn't mean that the rest of my existence is without meaning - it means that anything from here on out is a bonus and more than I'd a right to ask for - by far. I still have a lot to write but that's something I've already done a lot of. I still have more to learn but I know enough about the subjects I have most urgently wanted to learn. I've been on icecaps and in deserts. I've been in the ocean and on it. I've been in the air and across the ground. I've been really damned poor and quite well to do. I broken and mended hearts. I run towards the sounds of screams and gun fire. I've run away from someone bigger and badder than I. I've had my heart broken and mended.

    Don't be sad for me. Not at all. I'm probably one of the most content people on the planet. If anything, that's cause to celebrate. It doesn't mean life is bland and meaningless. It doesn't mean I don't enjoy it. It just means that I'm content to die today. How to explain this?

    Hmm...

    Where I to die today, there's not one thing that I'd regret not having done. To me, that's an excellent place to be - both mentally and physically.

    I should also mention, again, that I am a practicing, albeit secular (as confusing as that sounds), Buddhist. I have every reason to believe that my existence is temporary. I have every reason to believe that my atoms will be used again - albeit not in the typically believed in sense of reincarnation. I believe that my atoms will one day be the same atoms that make up a star or, perhaps, a black hole. My atoms will exist for a near eternity. Obviously, they won't be impacted by their prior composition nor have any memory of it - but they will, some day, make up the matter that is the stars.

    The Earth will turn to cinders as the Sun expands. We'll be in gaseous form. We'll coalesce and time and gravity will bring us together and we will be the matter that makes up a star. We'll be expelled in unimaginable waves of energy and become planets and, potentially, even life. And this cycle will repeat for billions and billions of years before it finally gets to cold, old, and slow - where it either stops or "rips" and it might start the process all over again.

    I do not fear that. It'd be futile to fear it anyhow, I have no say in the matter. On the karmic scale, for what it is worth, I'm on the positive side - I'm sure of this. Even if I wasn't, we're a pragmatic lot and I could easily justify even the more troublesome of deeds. I am not completely rid of desire, I am not a monk - I'm not even a faithful practitioner but a secular practicing Buddhist - and not even a very good one at that.

    It's not sad. It's wonderful. How many other people get to die content and knowing that they've accomplished every last single one of their meaningfu

    --
    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  64. Re:Being old: everything hurts by KGIII · · Score: 1

    LOL I'm reading the replies backwards. i wish I'd seen this one before typing out my other reply. That would have saved some time. Ah well...

    Err... You've got a novella waiting for you. :P

    It's not *too* long. In the not-too-distant future, I'll share a link and you can visit a site I'm working on - it's for open communication, free speech in other words.

    However, it has the caveat that it needs to be civil. Uncivil comments will be removed - even though anonymous people will be allowed and encouraged to participate. There's a whole lot more to it than that but that is the gist of it. I've no idea how well it will work. I do know I know a lot of people who may actually be interested in such a thing.

    The end game is to make it fund itself (it's also part of a bet - the web/I and "nothing" vs. "traditional" social media avenues and qualitative and numeric results are the metric but I'm not at liberty to discuss it at depth as that spoils the fun - and makes me lose the bet) and then, ideally, to hand it off to be owned by the community itself. I don't want ownership nor control. I want to participate. I'm simply starting it as I feel it needs to be done and done well.

    So, that's something... I'll give a yell and you can check it out then - if you want.

    Anyhow, if I'd read this one first, I'd have had a shorter post as my other reply. *sighs* I'm good at that novella thing. But, I do go into some detail and explain it a bit better. The comment was that you were sorry and so I read that as you thinking I wasn't enjoying myself or that my existence was mundane or devoid of meaning. Nope, it's just bonus rounds and I still only had to spend just a few quarters. I just keep hitting those one-ups or getting lucky at multi-ball.

    I *know* DAMNED well that you're old enough to know what I speak of. *grins*

    --
    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  65. Re:Being old: everything hurts by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
    If you read them all backwards you can see "Paul is dead. Paul is dead." :-)

    That's something the 30-somethings won't get ...

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  66. Re:How does it simulate a perpetually soft cock? by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    Only if you have a cardiovascular problem. It can be like a rock well into the 70s.

  67. Re:Being old: everything hurts by KGIII · · Score: 1

    Well, here's another clue for you all... The walrus is Paul.

    No, they probably won't get it...

    Good call, by the way. I'm soon abed and I was listening to James Taylor (one of the actually good greatest hits albums out there) but I could do with the change. I'm thinking the White album.

    --
    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  68. Re:Being old: everything hurts by Quirkz · · Score: 1

    I've been hearing the same thing all my life. At 20 a friend said he couldn't imagine living past 40. At 30 a different friend said the same thing about 50. These days 70 is still pretty vigorous, for a lot of people. My dad at 66 is still doing carpentry. He manages more than he does the manual labor, but he can hang drywall or build a deck if he wants. I know at 70 my grandparents were still playing golf and tennis, and they may have been into their 80's.

    The trick to aging is the degeneration is a slow process, and you find ways to replace some of the things lost with other perks. So yeah, if you're 30 and a suit makes you suddenly blind and unable to walk, it's nearly crippling. But if it creeps up on you over half a century, it may still be frustrating but you've got a lot more time to adjust. It's still a slow creep of pain and indignities, but it's not like hitting a brick wall.

    Or, as the saying goes, it may suck getting older, but for most people it still beats the alternative.

  69. Re:Being old: everything hurts by KGIII · · Score: 1

    Actually, I started programming anew and have even been doing some web-related stuff. Why? I swear it feels like I can feel my brain plasticize. I want to avoid that as much as I can so I work on learning things daily.

    --
    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  70. Re:Being old: everything hurts by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Nothing beats the classics :-)

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  71. Re:Being old: everything hurts by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    Thanks! It would have been happier if I hadn't been getting over the flu.

  72. Re:Being old: everything hurts by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    Thanks. I'm not afraid of dying, as I stood at death's door 40 years ago this past January and know it's a beginning, not an end. But I still have a few things on my bucket list, like winning a Hugo and a Nebula and a Campbell, and I'm not even eligible for a Nebula yet (have to sell 3 stories)